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Prop Power and Thrust Calculation Sheet
Prop Power and Thrust Calculation Sheet
The sheet can be used for engines behind a prop drive reduction gear.
Carb dimension calculator, for best power. (Input best power rpm)
data are metric
green = input
° Induction 150 timing input
v(gas) 70 input m/sec 60-70 at peak power rpm
rpm 7000 input rpm t=60/rpm
Acarb 4.65 result cm2 a=(ccx.95xrpm)/(60xVgas)
engine-cc 116 input cc
dia carb 24.3 carb venturi diameter in mm
check setting of propellor constants for each engine; If Kt is not provided, assume a value
check setting of altitude in the altitude calculator
check fuselage drag
h and diameter prop constant values quicklist
(based on field and bench test data)
ed to engine 2: (F is power factor, Kt is thrust factor. No Kt value, take Kt=1)
prop type F/Kt Prop type F/Kt
2-blade-generic 1.20 Glasner 1.40
3-blade-generic 1.84 Graupner G-sonic 1.00
in Wikipedia 4-blade-generic 2.40 Graupner 1.45
58 CC (input) 3W 1.37 Hawk 1.42
6.25 BMEP (Bar) Aeronaut-E 0.93 JC 1.45
APC-N 1.00 MA black 1.00
APC 1.23 MA-S3 1.18
APC 11x6 1.35 MA scimitar 0.95
APC 16x7 1.35 MA 4.1x5 ducted 3.40
corrected prop constant APC 16x12 1.60 MA-K 1.30
APC-W14x4 1.90 MA-3blade 1.30
(for static thrust only) APC-W 17x4 1.90 Mejzlik 1.18
es, use disk loads 100 - 250 APC-W 18x6 1.55 Mejzlik-L 0.96/1.1
150 = 3D APC-W 19x8 1.4 Mejzlik-L evo 1.09/1.1
250 = racer Bambula 1.25 Mejzlik-N 1.12
Biela 1.40 Mejzlik-S 1.3/1.1
Biela 3-bl 1.7? Mejzlik-thin 1.25
BME 1.40 Mejzlik-W 1.40
Bolly clubman 1.20 mejzlik 3-bl 1.80
Bolly wood 1.25 mejzlik-S 3-bl 1.95
Dynaflite 1.07 mejzlik-N 3-bl 1.70
Dynathrust 1.04 mejzlik-W 3-bl 2.14
Engel CF 1.02/0.9 mejzlik-TH 3-bl 1.75
Engel wood 1.45 MenzS 1.31
engel 3-bl 1.45/0.9 MSC 1.45
Falcon Carbon 1.15 Metts 1.35
noise requirements Fiala 0.80 NX 1.27
corrected prop constant Fuchs 1.20 PT 1.19
1.167 Fuchs 3-bl 1.70
static thrust only)
15
14
13
corrected prop constant
(D/P corrected prop constant)
12
(for static thrust only)
11
ed to engine 1:
10
Horsepower
9
8
ed to engine 1:
4
3
2
3000
0
1000
2000
To calculate the proper propeller Dia for your plane by propeller disk loading (oz/ft2)
oz/gram
plane weight Oz 210.5
plane weight grams 6000
prop selection max / min diameter 18
ed in kM.hour
Area (dm2) lift (kg)
150.00 0.72
2.89
6.51
11.57
18.08
26.04
35.45
46.30
58.59
72.34
87.53
104.17
122.25
141.78
162.76
185.19
119.1790517
Gentlemen, I am interested in prop rpm performance co
ded, assume a value 1.0 the data are from the same engine setup (damper syste
These graphs are for clark-Y like airfoils with flat bottom
and camber of about 4%
More camber means more thrust retention at pitch speed, and vice versa
With zero camber, pitch speed thrust is reduced to zero.
ngine 1 vs engine 2
ToDo, integrate camber input in range
propscalculations
are calculated up to 0.8 mach tip speed, Beyond that speed,
load factor waves.
shock K thrustAlso take into
corrector Kt account the prop manufacturer mech
be lower than the max rpm pictured he
Cprop, dia/pitch correction (AKA prop stall)
ngine 1 vs engine 2
props are calculated up to 0.8 mach tip speed, Beyond that speed,
shock waves. Also take into account the prop manufacturer mech
be lower than the max rpm pictured he
To do list:
prop efficiency curve to be plotted in thrust graphs
drag
3.1645590511367
3.9429208297503
4.5080728153479
4.8600150079293
4.9987474074946
4.9242700140437
4.6365828275768
4.1356858480937
3.4215790755945
2.4942625100791
1.3537361515476
0
3000
4000
5000
7000
2000
6000
RPM
ity calculator for dyno correction factor
g estimator
sports plane
°F °C
350 176.7
speed in Km/h
speed thrust %-eff.
4.0
7000
8000
9000
10000
4.0
8.0
10.0
12.0
16.0
18.0
6.0
14.0
Example:
engine2
130
er windtunnel data on Glasner and Menz props
op speed, take the lastmost -1 values
140 engine1
engine2
130
120
110
100
90
80
70
60
50
40
30
20
10
0
16.0
18.0
20.0
rop foil thickness in relation to operating mach number
rom mh-aerotools.de
For our example, we assume that the propeller has a Clark Y like airfoil (flat lower side),
which means, that the camber is approximately half the airfoil thickness. Using the
result from above, with a tip Mach number of M = 0.715, we enter the diagram at the
left, draw a line straight up, until it meets the curved line. From the intersection, we draw
a horizontal line up to the line corresponding to the camber of the airfoil. For the special
case of Clark Y-like airfoils, we can also use the dotted line as an end point. Dropping
down from this intersection, we find the maximum thickness to be 6%. If we choose a
thicker section, we will reach supersonic flow at the propeller tip, degrading the
performance. If the chord length at the tip is 10 mm, the airfoil there should have a
thickness of 0.6 mm, which is quite difficult to manufacture and rather unpractical
though.
status Aug.4 2011
1)Moki 60 half
HP Torque Nm Torque Nm
24x10 xoar 6240 6.17 3.52 7.04 DLE55 with RE2 at 12.5"header
23x10 xoar 6720 6.47 3.43 6.85 2-2-13, off prop rpm data
23x10 mejzlik 6960 6.5 3.33 6.65
23x8 xoar 7140 6.34 3.16 6.32 7
23x8 CF xoar 7360 5.97 2.89 5.77
22x8 xoar 7420 5.93 2.845 5.69
power (HP)
mufflers tested:
1) RE2 / 31.7cm
3) half
HP Torque Nm Torque Nm
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24x10 xoar
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23x10 xoar
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#DIV/0! #DIV/0! 23x8 xoar
23x8 CF xoar
4) half 22x8 xoar
HP Torque Nm Torque Nm
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5) half 3
HP Torque Nm Torque Nm
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Torque/2
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(Nm)
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Note that the length in Inches is measured from the Face of the piston to the back of the
second cone as per Fig 1.
remark: For racing ,we calculated to the mid of the cone, not to the end.
that would need to lower the 1650 value to about 1300
Note that the length in Inches is now taken from the Face of the piston to the surface of the
reflecting flat disk as per Fig2
Remark: on multiple flat disk in sequence, the mid disk should be taken for reference,
and the constant upped a bit to 1300
Setting up with Formulas - A Formula Constant.
All the formulas circulating for calculating tuned pipe length contain a different constant and this
leads to confusion.
The constant is derived from the type of Tuned Pipe, the eventual length units (i.e. inches,
centimetres, millimetres etc.),
the point of measurement at each end of the length dimension, and the speed of the exhaust
pulse wave (over 1100mph!).
I have used many different formulas over the years but now tend to settle with the following
two. I have achieved great
success with these as they result in a conservative (long) pipe length from which to make
adjustments. A good, safe,
starting point if you will. Each formula is for a different type of Tuned Pipe. One for Twin Cone
pipes and one for Flat disk pipes.
From KIMI, for gas engines to unlock, pwd = kimi
spreadsheet by /KIMI
Calculation Input Constant based on Gordon P Blair theory
RPM = 6500
CO = 0.0475 kg /mol
14.0
13.0
12.0
11.0
power (HP)
10.0
9.0
8.0
7.0
6.0
5.0
4.0
3.0
2.0
1.0
0.0
5700
5900
6100
6300
6500
6700
6900
7100
9100
9300
9500
9700
9900
5500
7300
7500
7700
7900
8100
8300
8500
8700
8900
RPM
conditions: prop power curve data for
ds 1020 mB
12°C
57% RH size 16x8
20x10 0.65
21x10 0.72
0.80
22x10 0.88
22x12 0.97
23x8 xoar 1.07
1.17
24x12
1.28
1.39
1.51
Power
1.64
1.78
1.92
2.07
2.23
2.39
2.57
2.75
2.94
3.13
3.34
3.56
3.78
0.65
4.26
4.51
4.78
5.05
5.33
5.63
5.93
9100
9300
9500
9700
9900
8700
8900
6.25
6.57
prop power curve data for Xoar props
er than 2.5%!
total base ash color remarks
0.31 red
brown
green
red petroleum destillate <30%
red
red petroleum destillate <30%
0.12 blue
0.09 blue
0.2 red
0.23 blue
1.4 0.14
builds some soft carbon
honey builds some soft carbon
brown mix only, for oil injector use motul710
red mix only, for oil injector use motul710
red Keeps engines clean (not so with racing oils)
2.15mg KOH/g green mix or injector
blue
red
green
red
purple
amber
not pre-mixed
0
Tree Species Average Specific Static Bending Impact Bending,
Gravity, Oven Modulus of Height of Drop
Dry Sample Elasticity (E) Causing Failure
U. S. Softwoods
Compress. Compress. Shear Parallel to
Parallel to Grain, Perpen. to Grain, Max Shear
Max Crushing Grain, Fiber Strength
Strength Stress at Prop.
Limit
psi psi psi
6,020 920 - 72
7,540 910 1,380 98
6,710 910 1,350 106
5,440 890 1,590 24
6,090 870 1,390 48
5,920 870 1,590 63
5,460 860 1,530 36
6,440 860 1,540 89
4,760 850 1,240 59
6,830 840 1,490 52
6,920 836 - 101
6,360 820 1,630 23
5,940 820 1,360 97
7,270 820 1,390 102
6,200 810 2,000 54
7,230 800 1,130 77
7,160 800 1,280 115
7,130 790 1,390 94
#4 - - -
#6 - - -
#8 - - -
#10 - - -
1/4 4 4.7 6.3
5/16 8 9 13
'3/8 15 17 23
7/16 24 27 37
1/2 37 41 57
9/16 53 59 82
5/8 73 83 112
3/4 125 138 200
7/8 129 144 322
1† 188 210 483
* Sizes from 4 to 10 are in lb-in.
Sizes from 1/4 up are in lb-ft.
Resistance
Wire Gauge per foot
Nm in.lb 4 0.000292
10 88.5075 input Nm 6 0 .000465
2.711635 24 input in.lb 8 0.000739
10 0.00118
12 0.00187
14 0.00297
16 0.00473
18 0.00751
20 0.0119
22 0.019
24 0.0302
26 0.048
28 0.0764
Recommended Torque
Grade 5 Grade 8 18-8 S/S Bronze Brass
Fine Coarse Fine Coarse Fine Coarse Fine Coarse Fine
3.0x0.5 5.03 . . . .
3.5x0.6 6.78 . . . . .
4.0x0.7 8.78 3.9 3.1 . . .
5.0x0.8 14.2 . 6.1 4.6 . .
6.0x1.0 20.1 . 10.4 7.8 . .
8.0x1.25 36.6 16.5 26.4 19.8 17.8 28.5
10.0x1.0 57
10.0x1.50 58 26.1 52.2 39.2 28.3 56.6
12.0x1.75 84.3 37.9 91 68 41.1 99
Tensile Strength 830 MPa 900 Pa
Proof Load
NOTE: Stress area of
The stress 600 MPa
threaded 650 Pa
series not included in Table 2 may be computed from the equation:
WHERE: As=Stress area in mm2 D=Diameter in mm P=Pitch in mm
discretion is recommended. The content, has been presented as accurately as possible, but responsibi
with the user.
Torque 8 8 8
. . . .
. . . .
. . . .
. . 8.8 6.7
. . 15 11.2
21.4 22.8 36.5 27.3
wing area, WA = Y * (A + B)
tail area, TA = YY * (AA + BB)
wing aspect ratio, ARw = ((Y * 2) ^ 2) / WA
tail aspect ratio, ARt = ((YY * 2) ^ 2) / TA
Tail Arm = (D - wing AC) + tail AC
tail volume, Vbar = (TA / WA) * (Tail Arm / MAC)
NP (%MAC) = 0.25 + (0.25 * sqr(sqr(ARw)) * Vbar
ideal CG (%MAC) = NP - Desired Static Margin
(Lt wheel Wt * Lt Arm) + (Rt Wheel Wt * Rt Arm) + (Center
Moment (total) = Wheel Wt * Center Arm) + (Pilot Wt * Pilot Arm) + ( Psngr Wt
* Psngr Arm) + (Fuel Wt * Fuel Arm)
actual CG (%MAC) = ((Moment / Total Wt) - (Datum2LE + C)) / MAC
actual static margin % = (NP - actual CG) / MAC * 100
Placing CG 5% - 15% of MAC in front of NP creates a longitudinal (pitch) stability called Static Margin. A lower margin pro
span cm 210 cm
mean chord cm 30 cm
Plane weight 6.5 kg
wing area 63 dm2
max foil lift 1.45 infinite span value
reates more stability and less elevator authority. Too much static margin results in elevator stall at take off and landing.
(1.0 is infinite span wing)
1.45 stall!
1.00 G before stall