ROUND 1

Thank you for having me in this interesting discussion for today. This topic is really a really hot
issue since the covid vaccines have been passed out to the public. As you already know, I'm an
anti-vaccine activist. So, of course there are reasons why I am against these vaccines that have
been given out to the public even though there are proofs that these vaccines could protect
people from getting the virus.

The Covid-19 vaccines were developed, approved, mass produced and distributed at record
speed. On the one hand, this was a miracle of modern science, state capacity and private
sector ingenuity. On the other hand, the rapid process gave rise to questions about whether
proper protocols had been followed and exacerbated concerns about how safe and effective the
vaccines would be.

These rapidly produced vaccines also pioneered the use of “artificial proteins never seen in the
natural world”. Again, a miracle of modern science, but one that left many wondering if there
was sufficient research on possible long-term problems and side-effects, given that the Pfizer
Covid-19 vaccine was the first mRNA vaccine ever to achieve full FDA approval in the US and
was a developed and approved on a radically accelerated timetable.

During the 2020 US presidential campaign, both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris expressed grave
concerns about the “Trump vaccines,” alleging that they may not have been properly developed,
vetted, approved or manufactured – and consequently, may not be safe. The Biden
administration is now depicting hesitancy around these same vaccines as irrational and
immoral.

According to the VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting system) database, nearly 12,000
Americans have died shortly after receiving Covid vaccines, possibly as a result of side-effects
or allergic reactions from the vaccines. On the one hand, these casualties represent a
minuscule share (0.0022%) of all doses given out, and are radically offset by the immense
number of lives saved by vaccination. But at the same time, 12,000 lives are not nothing. There
are many, many towns in the US with populations smaller than that. Nonetheless, people
expressing concerns about vaccine-related deaths are often mocked or derided.
ROUND 2

Unvaccinated people are eager to travel again. But more and more, the rules make that harder.
Travellers are increasingly required to show proof of vaccination before they can cruise, book
group tours, avoid quarantines, or vacation to tropical islands. Beyond that, vaccines are
needed for everyday activities including attending some universities, returning to the workplace
or eating in restaurants. To answer the question about our topic today. Let me share with you
how some of these unvaccinated people feel about restricted travelling.

Several people who oppose mandatory vaccines said they resent being grouped with so-called
“anti-vaxxers”. A Singaporean Ng Syn Jae said he will be waiting out. Singapore is on target to
have 80% of its population vaccinated by October of 2021, but the 27-year-old said he won’t be
among them. Ng said he feels the vaccines being administered in Singapore — from Pfizer
BioNTech and Moderna — are still in “an experimental stage.” He said he’s worried about
possible long-term negative side effects, a fear expressed by others. Travel mandates likely
would encourage Ng to get vaccinated, he said, though he feels they are unethical. He said he
would likely opt for the Chinese-made Sinovac vaccine because “the technology the vaccine
uses is older” than the newer mRNA vaccines. He said he will vaccinate “when the vaccine
companies show they have done all the proper safety tests —and then, he might wait even
longer.”

Next interview is Bert Valdez, a professional surfer living in Hawaii, isn’t vaccinated and doesn’t
plan to be. He stated that it’s a drug, and we were always told not to do drugs. His travel
experience is wide — coastal locations including Tahiti, Fiji, Taiwan, Mexico and Costa Rica. He
acknowledged that his decision not to get vaccinated will probably limit his ability to compete
and earn money in the future. Valdez said he’s frustrated, but not angry, about vaccine-based
travel restrictions, which he said will be short-lived because the “people in power won’t be much
longer,” both in the United States and abroad. He did not elaborate on how or why this global
transition of power would occur. As for the pandemic itself, Valdez said he laments how anger is
dividing families and friends. He’s less worried about himself, but more for his three daughters.
“I’ve been through a lot in my life,” he said. He also said that this virus is not going to kill him.

Travel restrictions are coaxing people like Lois Lindsey over the line. The retired accountant
from Houston got vaccinated last week solely to safeguard her upcoming vacation plans, she
said. She explained that she doesn't want to take the vaccine but feels forced to do so since she
will be taking a trip to Kentucky in October and a cruise in January. Lindsey says she feels
there’s “conflicting information floating around” about who is spreading Covid, the effectiveness
of masks, and whether vaccines protect against variants. She gets her news from CNN, Fox
News, NBC News and talk radio. She said that If she could make her own decision, she would
put her life in God’s hands. A 50-year-old woman who works in New York’s financial sector and
who did not wish to be identified told CNBC she’s considering getting vaccinated due to an
upcoming trip to Hawaii. Vaccinations aren’t required to enter the state, but she wants to avoid
“any surprises” during the trip. Her travel companion is also pressing her to get vaccinated,
which she feels she will likely do for travel and for her parents to feel safer.
So in conclusion, the rights for people to travel has been violated as it is a must to get
vaccinated to travel either interstate or intrastate.