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For An Agriculture That Doesn’t Get Rid Of Farmers

Miguel Altieri

To cite this article: Miguel Altieri (2002) For An Agriculture That Doesn’t Get Rid Of Farmers,
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FOR AN AGRICULTURE THAT


DOESN'T GET RID OF FARMERS

Terraceagriculture: reconstructedandenes in Cajamarca,Peru.

AN INTERVIEW WITH MIGUEL ALTIERI

A mong the forms of knowledge-sciences-


developed in the Americas before the
arrival of the Europeans were sophisticated
alternative approach known as agroecology.
Miguel Altieri, author of Agroecology: The Science
of Sustainable Agriculture, is one of the leading
agricultural systems. The Incas, the Mayas and the advocates of this new approach. The Chilean-born
Aztecs all developed systems capable of feeding Altieri is a professor of insect biology at the Uni-
large and concentrated populations. The Euro- versity of California-Berkeley, but he spends
pean conquerors partly dismantled the indigenous almost half the year in Latin America, working
systems and tried to substitute European farming with hundreds of farmers and nongovernmental
techniques. More recently, would-be modernizers organizations (NGOs) that want to try agroecologi-
in Latin America have fostered the spread of U.S.- cal methods. NACLA Report editor JoAnn Kawell
style agriculture, which favors large farms, expen- recently spoke with Altieri about agroecology and
sive equipment like tractors and the purchase of its possible economic, social-and political-impli-
ever-growing amounts of pesticides, fertilizers and, cations for Latin America.
most recently, genetically modified seeds. Propo-
nents say such "scientific" agriculture is the only What is agroecology?
way to feed the world's growing population, while Miguel Altieri: We could say that agroecology is
critics charge that the only real beneficiaries are basically just a set of principles on how to design sys-
the corporations that make farm supplies and tems for small farmers. The main motivation for
equipment. Now, scattered throughout the develop- agroecology is that previous development projects
ing world, experiments are underway with an have failed, top-down development projects have
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failed, and we need an alternative. What agroecology American peasants did not adopt high yielding vari-
does is try to blend traditional knowledge, the eties, or the pesticides or the fertilizers promoted by
farmer's knowledge, and the principles of modern the Green Revolution. The reason wasn't that these
agricultural science. people were ignorant; it had an ecological basis,
The focus is on peasant agriculture, small farmers. because these technologies would increase the risk for
That's the important form of agriculture in Latin them.
America-there are only 16 million small farmers in
Latin America and they control only 20% of the land, Can you explain what the Green Revolution was?
but they are the ones who are producing the food that MA: The Green Revolution started, in the late '40s,
people eat there, because everyone else is growing for early '50s, as an attempt by the Rockefeller Founda-
export. You go to Chile-what are the big farmers tion to modernize Mexican agriculture. Rockefeller
doing? Producing wine, or grapes, or peaches, or put together a team of people to go to Mexico to
apples for export, nothing for the local populations. report on how to modernize. When they came back
Go to Brazil, what are the big guys doing? Growing they recommended that the way to do this would be to
soybeans for the export market. To do what? To feed bring technology from the North, from the United
the cattle in Europe. It doesn't have anything to do States, Iowa-type, Ohio-type agriculture, using hybrid
with the food security of the region. So the ones who crops and making use of the technology package that
are maintaining the food security, genetic diversity implies, to push yields. There was one professor from
and the cultural diversity of the land are the peas- Berkeley, Carl Sauer, who passed away many years
ants-the corporate model of biotechnology is an agri- ago, who was on that team: He'd done a lot of
culture without farmers. research on Mexican agriculture, and he wrote a
Agroecology projects are very underfunded pro- minority report, saying, basically, "if a bunch of
jects, conducted by little NGOs helping here and agressive American agronomists are going to go to
there, but they have been able to reach about 4.5 mil- Mexico and bring Ohio-type agriculture to small farm-
lion farmers throughout the developing world, farming ers, this is what's going to happen." He predicted the
about nine million hectares [one hectare = 2.5 acres]. impacts of the Green Revolution, the breakdown of
We've participated in a study which shows that by cultures, the breakdown of the traditional systems, the
using agroecological methods you can increase yields erosion of the traditional varieties-they kind of fired
of poor farmers in marginal environments about 100% him, and the Green Revolution proceeded.
while at the same time conserving the soil resource
base and biodiversity. Give us some examples of places where traditional
systems are still in use.
But if agroecology emphasizes traditionalmethods, MA: Traditional systems are almost intact in small
and these are so productive, why are Latin American areas-microcosms-which total about 3 million
farmers stillpoor and still hungry? hectares in Latin America, mainly in Mesoamerica,
MA: Basically, the problem is the inequity of access the Andean region and the lowland tropics. One sys-
to land. We're talking about 16 million peasant family tem in Mesoamerica would be the chinampas, there
units. That's about 75 million people; that's the popu- are about 40-60 hectares left in an area near Mexico
lation where the poverty's concentrated, and the aver- City. A chinampa is a raised field that is surrounded
age farm size is between 1.2 and 1.5 hectares. You by water canals, it's a system that was developed by
can't demand too much from that little land, especially the Aztecs and has withstood the test of time. It's an
marginal land. About 80% of the small farmers, the integrated agricultural/aquaculture system.
peasants, in Latin America are concentrated in the
marginal lands: hillsides, semi-desert areas, etc. Obvi- Meaning it produces both crops andfish?
ously the agricultural potential of those areas is very MA: Right. The raised fields are built with the
low, they should be used for other purposes, like for- mucky sediment from the bottom of the canals, it's
est or grasslands. The main way to revive and have a very rich in organic matter; some of the nutrients from
productive peasant agriculture would be, first, land the raised fields fall into the water and enrich the
reform and second, appropriate support for these water for the fish, a lot of algae and weeds start grow-
farmers, in terms of agroecological technologies, cred- ing there, and before they suffocate the fish, the farm-
it, and social services that come along with rural ers put that organic matter back on the raised field as
development. mulch. It's a self-sustaining system, and they've been
But all the efforts that were made, starting with the able to obtain anywhere from three to six tons per
Green Revolution and all the extension programs have hectare, which is pretty comparable to any average
bypassed the peasantry. More than 80% of Latin maize [corn] field in the United States.
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Mexican chinampa: an integratedaquaculturelagriculturesystem developed by the Aztecs.

What kind of crops do they grow in the chinampas? minka. Or when people marry, they get different
MA: They now grow about 20 different crops, but kinds of potatoes as gifts. The survival of these many
originally it was mostly maize. Now they have mostly varieties is important not just for the survival of the
commercial crops like flowers that they sell in Mexico farmers but also for the survival of agriculture,
City. But the [chinampas] system is collapsing. One, because it ensures genetic diversity. In order to main-
because of urban sprawl, and also because of the tain that genetic diversity, it's important to maintain
water quality. Mexico City uses the water and returns cultural diversity, because if you destroy these rituals,
it contaminated, and so the systems are breaking the way people are relating, you break down the
down, not because the systems don't work, but genetic diversity.
because of external forces.
Is there a particulararea where you've been work-
How about systems in the Andes? ing on terraces?
MA: The most traditional system in the Andes is MA: In the Huancayo and Cajamarca areas of Peru
the terraces, the andenes. The main crop is potatoes, There are still microcosms, not the whole area, but
and there are places where the terrace system is still there are still small areas. NGOs, including Peru's
in place where the productivity of potatoes is very CIED [Center for Research, Education and Develop-
high. The diversity of potatoes is also very high, they ment], have reconstructed hundreds of hectares of
don't grow one variety of potato, they grow 60 or 70 andenes.
varieties in one terrace and that provides resistance
to environmental problems, like drought or frost or How about tropicalagriculturesystems?
disease, because one variety might suffer, but many MA: In the lowland tropics, in the Amazon for
others would survive. example, but also in southern Mexico, you will find
That diversity exists not so much as a result of the agro-forest systems, which are basically home gar-
ecology; cultural rituals maintain diversity; for dens, huertosfamiliares,which could be less than half
example, a work ritual called the minka: Farmers a hectare surrounding the household where you would
from one area work in another area, and they get have anywhere between 80 and 200 different trees,
paid in potatoes by the farmers who are hosting the herbs, shrubs and a few domestic animals. These sys-
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tems have a huge amount of diversity and are key for Bolivia, in the Lake Titicaca area. Waru warus are
food security. very similar to the chinampas-they are raised fields
surrounded by water that comes from Lake Titicaca.
The image that most people have of tropical agri- But the main effect is that the water absorbs the heat
culture is that it's mostly slash and burn agriculture. during the day and releases it at night; that changes
Is that accurate? the microclimate one or two degrees, enough to off-
MA: Well, slash and burn is very prevalent, mostly set frost, which is very common at that altitude.
in the highlands, but it's diminishing because of the Those systems disappeared because the Spanish
problem of land access, and population growth. Orig- thought the crops that they were growing, like
inally slash and burn was a very sustainable system. quinoa, were pagan crops. And for other reasons
The key thing is that in the tropics there's a lot of related to the Conquest, those cultures collapsed, and
leaching of nutrients from the soil, the nutrients are the waru warus were abandoned. A few years ago
tied up in the biomass, that is in the plants, so if you some anthropologists, some archeologists, and some
want to have fertile soil, you have to incorporate people from NGOs there started doing some work
vegetation into the soil; then that vegetation decom- reviving the systems. There were archeological
poses and releases the nutrients. So what the farmers records that showed that the systems had existed.
did originally was to clear a small plot of land, burn Then they started interviewing the elderly of the
it. That releases the nutrients in the vegetation. The communities, and they started trying to revive the
soil has enough fertility for about three years, then systems. There are now more than 200 hectares of
they would abandon that piece of land, and come waru warus, which have been reconstructed. They're
back maybe 15 years later to the same piece of land growing their traditional crops again. The contribu-
so they could allow the forest to regenerate. That tion of modern science was just to find a way of
system is considered sustainable. It's prevalent in reconstructing how this was done. No modern scien-
Asia and Africa, too. As long as you have long fal- tific breakthrough has been made that makes it possi-
lows [periods during which the fields aren't cultivat- ble to grow crops at those altitudes in the midst of
ed] the system works very well. That's a very eco- frost.
logically rational way of managing tropical
agriculture. The problem is that the fallows became But agroecology isn't entirely a preservation of
shorter and shorter because of lack of access to land, traditionalsystems?
population growth, not so much because people are MA: No. It's possible to preserve the systems, if
reproducing like crazy, but because there's been a lot the farmers want, because agroecology is participato-
of movement of people into areas where slash and ry-that means farmers are at the center of the
burn is being used- for example, some of the prob- research agenda. But in most places where we're
lems in the Brazilian Amazon, in Rond6nia, it was working, traditional systems do not exist anymore,
mostly landless people that they were bringing from they have been destroyed, basically the work is to try
the south to the Amazon; they were people without a to rescue what was there before, and if it's not there,
culture of tropical agriculture, they were doing slash to use agricultural principles that governed how sus-
and burn without knowledge and without allowing tainable agriculture was practiced in other areas with
long fallows. You can still find microcosms of sus- similar conditions.
tainable slash and burn-in southern Mexico for What we have to do is empower the poor so they
example, in Chiapas. But in most areas I think that have the capability to feed themselves. What needs
the fallows have shortened so much, that the sys- to be done is, first, land reform. And second, equip
tem's not sustainable any more. the farmers with agroecological knowledge and tech-
niques. NGOs alone can't do this; there have to be
You say that agroecology combines traditionaland huge institutional reforms so that the public appara-
modern methods, can you say something about the tus supports what the peasants really need. One
contributionof modern methods? example of a place where this is happening is in
MA: That's an interesting question, because some- Brazil, in the state of Rio Grande do Sul, where Gov-
times the only contribution that modern science has ernor [Olivio] Dutra, of the PT [Workers' Party] has
is to show that what traditional farmers have been made agroecology public policy-the research insti-
doing is correct-we do the research and we find that tutions and universities there had people who studied
what these people developed were optimal systems. agroecology, these people are now in power and
Let me give you a concrete example: The waru using agroecology as a tool for family farming.
warus, systems found about 4,000 meters above sea In Brazil there are 4.3 million family farmers who
level that exist in the Puno area of Peru and in control about 30% of the land but produce 80% of
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Greenpeace activists protestholding a sign that reads "74% say No! to Genetically Modified Foods on My Plate!" in front
of the Congress building in Brasilia, Brazil.

the cassava and about 70% of the beans and about cology is not just a development method, but also a
60% of the maize. Their responsibility in food secu- resistance to globalization, a tool for social move-
rity, as in the rest of Latin America, is critical. ments to become much more autonomous. Brazil's
What Dutra and the PT have seen is that the family MST [Landless Rural Workers Movement] is now
farmers play a key role in food security; they see using agroecology on land they've taken over. The
that the revival of small farms in the countryside is Zapatistas use agroecology-it is the technological
key to reversing poverty, because many people are flag of the resistance movement.
migrating to the cities, but the cities are becoming
pockets of poverty. What are they going to do with Is it possible for large scale commercialfarms and
all those people? They want to revive agriculture and small farmers to coexist? Isn't Rio Grande do Sul a
add other industries that are going to add value to the big commercial soybean producing region?
agricultural products, bring education, bring all the MA: Yes, it is. And coexistence is possible. The
services that have to come along; that's their strate- MST is the strongest movement in Brazil, including
gy, that rural development plays a key role in the in Rio Grande do Sul; they are taking over land
development of the state. So it's not so much that the there. So you will have large scale agriculture that's
family farmers represent a huge economic force; but corrected by land reform-and when it's corrected,
they represent a social and ecological and cultural then you will have the coexistence of large, medium
force. and small scale agriculture.
I think what they are doing is very wise-the pub-
lic sector, which is shrinking everywhere in Latin Do you see genetically modified crops as having
America, due to neoliberal policies, should focus on any role at all in the systems you are talking about in
the poor, because the rest are being taken care of by Latin America?
03 the corporations. So for example in Chile, why is the MA: Well, agroecology emerged as a critique of
0o national agriculture institute helping big farmers? top-down approaches like the Green Revolution,
0
Why don't they work with small farmers? The corpo- which bypassed the small farmers, and did not really
a rations have their own technical assistance. Agroe- help them. And the same thing is going on with
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biotechnology; it's top down, it's not participatory. You put that gene into a plant because you think it's
What we're saying is that in order for the technology going to express one particular trait, like resistance to
to be useful, first of all it has to be participatory, that an herbicide, or to a pest; well, that gene expresses
is, the peasants get involved in the research process itself throughout the plant and especially in the pollen.
and they bring their knowledge-they are the ones So when the pollen is blown by wind or carried by
who decide what is to be done, and all the other agen- pollinators and goes through a normal process of
cies, NGOs and research centers should be just facili- crossing with wild relatives-that is, plants that are
tating the process. botanically related to the crop-there's a high proba-
Biotechnology did not emerge at all as a response to bility of encountering wild relatives in Latin America
the needs of the poor; it emerged as a tool for some because there are many centers of origin [of domesti-
corporations to control the food system. Because they cated plants] that are loaded with wild relatives and
are able to engineer crops that require the use of their local varieties-so there's going to be exchange of
other products: like [Monsanto's] Roundup Ready genes. And the wild plants are going to acquire the
soybeans; it's patented and requires the use of one trait-they could become superweeds, and take over,
particular herbicide, Roundup [also made by Monsan- or they might become less fit and just disappear. So
to]. So in that sense this technology has nothing to do that's a danger.
with the needs of the poor. The GM crops are novel crops-they don't exist in
There are people arguing, well, but look, there are nature, they would never exist in nature if humans had
applications that could be useful-but if a public orga- not manipulated them. They've manipulated them by
nization, let's say a Bolivian research center, devel- overcoming biological barriers; people say, "but peo-
oped a variety of potato that was going to be distrib- ple have been domesticating and improving plants for
uted to the poor and was, say, viral resistant, when a long time." Yeah, they have, but through the normal
they were ready to release it, then you are going to co-evolutionary processes that exist in nature. Here
have to deal with about 20 corporations that are going we have crossed biological barriers and found ways to
to come down and claim property rights-because the use viruses and other things that would serve as trans-
associated [genetic engineering] technology is patent- porters of these genes.
ed; when you put in the gene that has the particular So what's happening in Oaxaca, the center of origin
feature you want, you have to use patented technology of maize, an area with a lot of diversity of maize, and
to insert it and mark it. This is what happened exactly teosinte, which is a wild relative, is that they were
with two varieties of papaya, one developed by a gov- using GM corn for animal feed, supposedly. This GM
ernment agency in Brazil and another by a public uni- corn-called Bt corn-is resistant to insect pests. It
versity in Costa Rica; they could not release them started contaminating other corn varieties because of
because they had to negotiate the patents with 20 dif- exchange of genes [through pollination]; researchers
ferent corporations. That's what happened with Gold- in Oaxaca found the presence of GM material in tradi-
en Rice, this rice that is engineered to have the vita- tional varieties and wild relatives. We don't know
min beta carotene; the Rockefeller Foundation funded what the consequences could be, they could become
the research for ten years, and then when they were superweeds, or they could disappear because they lose
ready to release Golden Rice they found out that there fitness. What is more worrisome is that they'll conta-
were complicated issues with the patents, so that's minate everything so that there's nothing we can do
why [the Swiss company] AstroZeneca came in and later on-regulation will come too late, farmers are
bought it. What they're saying now is "we're going to going to lose their traditional crops. Organic farmers
give Golden Rice to the poor for free," but we can't are also being contaminated; this is happening in
allow feeding the poor in Latin America to be a ques- Canada, with canola. The farmers lose their organic
tion of whether corporations have good will or not. certification, because organic crops aren't allowed to
Agroecology empowers people to become agents of have any contamination by GMOs. So this is imposing
their own development. itself-it's like Microsoft-it's imposing itself all
But the other problem with biotech, with GMOs over the genetic material of Latin America, and that's
[Genetically Modified Organisms] is that they are unacceptable. We need to contain the purity of farm-
emerging at the expense of other agriculture, because ing systems the way farmers want them-it's irre-
of genetic pollution, we are seeing it already with the versible, once you release the genes into the environ-
local maize varities in Oaxaca [Mexico]. When we ment, it's irreversible. U
grow transgenic crops that have a special trait, the More information about agroecology and Miguel
gene for that trait doesn't necessarily come from other Altieri's work in Latin America can be found at:
plants, it might be from a bacteria, from a frog, from http://www.CNR.Berkeley.EDU/%7Eagroeco3/
anything. http://www.agroeco.org/
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