TR 2

1
5
AUDIO TRANSCRIPTION
6
9
ZOOM0006.WAV - Pages 3-8
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24 Transcribed by: Rhonda Olynyk
25
2
1 NOTES:
2
The identification of the voices on these
3 four audio recordings was provided to me
by Daniel Cragg, Attorney, as being Jean
4 Robinson and Ruben Lopez.
5
The parenthetical "unintelligible" means that
6 I could hear that words were being said but
that at the time of transcription I could not
7 understand what was being said.
8
Names of individuals and companies have been
9 spelled phonetically.
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
3
1 (ZOOM0006.WAV)
2 MS. ROBINSON: We had orientation, and then --
3 Tuesday was the first day, and then unfortunately my
4 employer has had a three-day -- tomorrow is the last
5 day -- three-day training starting at 8:00 o'clock in
6 the morning, which means I leave the house about 5:30.
7 So I've not been calling you because like I can't even
8 call on the way to work.
9 MR. LOPEZ: No.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Anyway, they got a new B-1. They
11 call it something else, but it's really not. They
12 just changed the name and some other crazy stuff. And
13 so they've had mandatory training for all senior staff
14 and management staff from 8:00 to 5:00 every day.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Wow, wow. I can only imagine what
16 this new system --
17 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, Miss Ballard -- Miss Ballard
18 has been there. She actually tried to have lunch with
19 me today, but I had to meet with the auditors. It
20 actually worked out well, because for as many times as
21 I've tried to meet with that woman and say, why don't
22 you stop the madness, she can never meet with me, you
23 know.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
25 MS. ROBINSON: I have to make an appointment. So

4
1 today she says -- she walks up to me, I think we need
2 to have lunch. So it turns out I couldn't have lunch
3 with her, I had to blow her off because I had this
4 other meeting, and she was offended by it, because
5 when I walked back in the room, she said, I just don't
6 believe you blew me off for lunch, and I wanted to say
7 to her, you've blown me off for how many years?
8 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
9 MS. ROBINSON: But I didn't. You know, I was
10 very good. I just looked at her and smiled. I said,
11 oh, I'd never do that, sorry I had a previous
12 commitment. And I looked at Bob Chamberlin and said:
13 Look, Ms. Ballard wants me to meet with her for lunch,
14 and these auditors, these outside auditors want me to
15 meet with them. They came here especially to meet
16 with me. Who do you want me to meet with? He said,
17 the auditors. That was kind of his call, but it
18 was -- it came out right because I didn't want to meet
19 with her anyway.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
21 MS. ROBINSON: But -- so, anyway, but she's been
22 sitting through this training, and so I looked at her,
23 and I figure she was just trying to get information,
24 but, anyway, so I looked at her, and I said -- she was
25 coming up with some of these solutions, you know. I

5
1 said, oh, interesting, because she finally kind of
2 gets the allocation process but not really.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
4 MS. ROBINSON: And -- and it's been just an
5 interesting week, but be that as it may, I'm actually
6 waiting on a call back. I'm cooking dinner, but I'm
7 waiting on a call back from Martin, whose cell phone
8 I've been beating up because I cannot for the life of
9 me -- maybe you already know. Do you know anything
10 about NGA in St. Louis?
11 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, it -- well, we -- yes, I do.
12 We tried to bid for it, but we couldn't because
13 obviously we're not top security.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, you and I must talk, my
15 friend.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, my goodness.
17 MS. ROBINSON: We got -- we got -- okay. So
18 here's what -- here's -- here's the deal. I'm going
19 to finish cooking, and I'm going to finish getting the
20 little one, who just ran away from the dinner table
21 because she's eating her dinner, which is something
22 that -- hold on a second.
23 Teresa, where are you? Come here now. Teresa.
24 She's going to be in big trouble.
25 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, no.

6
1 MS. ROBINSON: Big trouble. But, anyway, so --
2 so I'm going to finish her up, and then once I get her
3 squared away and then I'm going to call you, because
4 it's much earlier on your end of the world.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Absolutely.
6 MS. ROBINSON: But -- but remind me these are the
7 things that we need to talk about. Bob Turner.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Jim Barone.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
11 MS. ROBINSON: This is all related to NGA.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. Bob Turner, Jim Barone,
14 NGA, GSA in Illinois.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And that whole issue with the
17 door.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
19 MS. ROBINSON: I call it "the door," the
20 abandoned door.
22 MS. ROBINSON: M.J. Willard, NTI.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
24 MS. ROBINSON: And Peckham.

7
1 MS. ROBINSON: The new alleged process. Let's
2 see, what else? I think that's all off the top of my
3 head, but -- and then you got to -- you got to
4 enlighten me on whichever opportunity -- and then
5 there's one opportunity that you applied for in the
6 South.
7 MR. LOPEZ: And one?
8 MS. ROBINSON: In Micky's region.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Southcentral that you're not going
11 to get.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Of course.
13 MS. ROBINSON: That I've been holding up
14 because -- holding it up in the sense that he said to
15 me today, can you just turn it loose, you look at it
16 and turn it loose, because he wants to go ahead and
17 make the award. And it's custodial in Puerto Rico,
18 right?
19 MR. LOPEZ: That's the one, yes.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, so remind me to talk to you
21 about that. I think that's about it, but that ought
22 to hold us for an hour or so, maybe an hour and a half
23 or so.
24 MR. LOPEZ: No. Okay. I understand.
25 MS. ROBINSON: So I don't know what you're --

8
1 let's see. What time is it there? So it's 5:30
2 there.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
4 MS. ROBINSON: So if I call you at around 10:00
5 my time, will that be too late?
6 MR. LOPEZ: No. That'll be fine. That's 7:00.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. It will be between 10:00,
8 10:30. Probably about 10:30.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, 7:00, 8:00, 9:00, 10:00. Okay.
10 Yeah, 7:00, 7:30 is -- I mean, anytime for me is good.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. I'll call -- I'll call you
12 tonight.
13 MR. LOPEZ: We need to talk. Thank you.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. All right. Bye.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Bye-bye.
16 (End of ZOOM0006.WAV audio file.)
17 * * *
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
9
1 (ZOOM0009.WAV)
2 MS. ROBINSON: Hello.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Jean, how are you?
4 MS. ROBINSON: I'm good. How about you?
5 MR. LOPEZ: I'm hanging in there. It's so hot
6 around here, 105.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, wow. Wow.
8 MR. LOPEZ: But --
9 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, that's pretty bad.
10 MR. LOPEZ: I got home, I turned the AC on, and
11 the children are out there messing around in the
12 living room.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Well, you know, I kind of work in
14 hell every day, so I know how hot it can be.
15 MR. LOPEZ: So how have you been?
16 MS. ROBINSON: Well, let's see. I've been okay.
17 I've been dealing with some health issues with my mom,
18 which hasn't been so cool. She's been -- you know,
19 she's had this pinched nerve and some other stuff for
20 about a year, and they keep misdiagnosing or whatever.
21 I mean, they keep changing their -- I shouldn't say
22 "mis," but they keep changing the diagnosis.
24 MS. ROBINSON: And it's getting frustrating,
25 because first they said, okay, it's a pinched nerve,

10
1 then they said it's the shoulder, she needs a shoulder
2 replacement, then they said it's a torn rotator cuff,
3 and then they said, no, back to the pinched nerve, and
4 then they got to check all this other stuff out. The
5 bottomline is they don't know, and so she's kind of
6 looking at them saying, well, maybe I should go to
7 Mayo Clinic or go somewhere where they really know --
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: -- what's going on.
11 MS. ROBINSON: But much too much. So I've been
12 back and forth dealing with her and getting her to
13 doctors and going to neurologists and going to all
14 these other people, and then my daughter went out and
15 stayed with her for a couple weeks this summer just
16 to -- so she could have summer with gramma.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
18 MS. ROBINSON: So that was good. And my mom was
19 powering through the pain, and there was tidings of
20 them. People were saying, I saw your mom and your
21 daughter at such and such. And mom had stopped
22 driving for a little bit because, you know, the range
23 of motion on that left side was getting bad, but -- so
24 I guess they do what they need to do when they need to
25 do it.
11
1 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
2 MS. ROBINSON: So actually having Teresa out,
3 you know, for a week or two was good --
4 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
5 MS. ROBINSON: -- was good for her, gave her a
6 purpose in doing that, and that's kind of where that
7 was, but -- so I -- so I dealt with that. And then
8 much to my employer's dismay and chagrin, I might add,
9 I won a national top general counsel award through --
10 you get nominated through your peers, lawyers, law
11 firms, etcetera. I didn't even know they were
12 nominating me, but, anyway, I won that, and so I went
13 to Chicago --
14 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
15 MS. ROBINSON: -- picked that up, and I was given
16 it on the day of the anniversary of the March, on
17 Wednesday, so that was kind of cool.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
19 MS. ROBINSON: And, you know, Bob was just -- he
20 could barely muster out congratulations, but --
21 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, my.
22 MS. ROBINSON: You know, the other people, just
23 to give you some idea, I was in pretty good company.
24 It was like the general counsel of Sears, Hyatt,
25 Redbox.
12
1 MR. LOPEZ: Whoa.
2 MS. ROBINSON: It was a lot of big, big
3 companies, some of the medical companies and, you
4 know. So he was sort of surprised, but what could he
5 say or do?
6 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
7 MS. ROBINSON: So that was -- that was good for
8 me. There will be some press on it after -- you know,
9 we just got the award like last week, on the 28th. So
10 I was in Chicago with that, and I guess I kind of was
11 just getting Terese back in school, so it has been --
12 I've been out of town, in and out of town for the last
13 couple weeks, but beyond that, it's -- it's been
14 pretty good. I can't complain.
15 MS. ROBINSON: I figured as much. I'd figured
16 you were very -- you were busy because --
17 MS. ROBINSON: It's been -- it's just been crazy.
18 It really has been crazy. And then our people are,
19 you know, up to the same old craziness, and I just --
20 you know, sometimes I'm a late -- a late bloomer in
21 terms of trying to balance motherhood, work, take care
22 of, you know, aging parents, etcetera.
24 MS. ROBINSON: This whole thing. I just figured
25 out the game, and now you and I are going to figure
13
1 out how to fix the game.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. I'm in for that.
3 MS. ROBINSON: I'm a little late, but that's
4 okay, you know.
5 MR. LOPEZ: No. I mean, it's got to happen.
6 MS. ROBINSON: I'm slow, but I'm sure, Ruben.
7 How is that? Okay.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, it's got to happen.
9 MS. ROBINSON: The game that I just figured out
10 is as follows. So obviously the boys have figured out
11 how to get the huge projects to PRIDE and
12 ServiceSource.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Okay?
15 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And all of a sudden, so -- so,
17 anyway, I told -- let me back up a little bit. I told
18 Bob about the national award. You know, he kind of
19 read it, oh, you know, he said all the right things,
20 but you could kind of tell he was not happy.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
22 MS. ROBINSON: Because at the last board meeting
23 in July, that's always the one where they try to
24 assassinate me.

14
1 MS. ROBINSON: So it was no different. They went
2 into executive session, and this time it was I make
3 too much money, and Matt says I should be fired, who
4 is the VP of -- which is Bob's boy. So they went into
5 executive session, kicked me out.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Oh-oh.
7 MS. ROBINSON: But here's the kicker of it. I'm
8 just a little too close to the game, is what it's
9 really all about, and so Bob Turner, who is best
10 friends with Jim Barone and who came to our board a
11 couple years ago as an advisor, as an independent --
12 can you hear me okay? Because I'm making soup here,
13 so --
14 MR. LOPEZ: No. That's fine. I can hear you.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Can you hear me?
16 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, yes.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So he comes to our board
18 from -- I don't -- I want to say SAIC, but it's one of
19 the, you know, bigger companies, but he's Jim
20 Barone's -- Jim Barone finds this guy, brings him to
21 our board, okay?
22 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
23 MS. ROBINSON: And he was always kind of like
24 anti-Jean because I was saying, you know, hey, you
25 guys need to do things differently, you got conflicts,

15
1 you're steering -- you know, you know, the normal
2 stuff.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
4 MS. ROBINSON: And so Jim went out and found him,
5 and he was supposed to be on me, but he was also
6 supposed to convince the board, since he was a pretty
7 big muckety-muck, I want to say SAIC, but it's one of
8 them like that. I'm pretty sure it's SAIC, but I'll
9 find out exactly where. But since his job was the
10 head of risk and -- and audit management at that
11 company, he would say, oh, all this stuff Jean is
12 telling you guys is over the top, there's no problem,
13 you don't need to do things differently, you know,
14 that kind of thing.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
16 MS. ROBINSON: So -- and one of the things I told
17 them is that they needed to have independent people on
18 the audit committee who are not attached to CRPs.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Correct.
20 MS. ROBINSON: It's like the hen guarding -- the
21 fox guarding the henhouse.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
23 MS. ROBINSON: So Jim goes and gets this guy who
24 is allegedly independent, right?
25 MR. LOPEZ: Allegedly.

16
1 MS. ROBINSON: Well -- well, he was up until
2 now, but let me just tell you how it works. I mean,
3 at least on paper he was. I mean, he wasn't
4 associated with the CRP. He was in risk management
5 for SAIC. He came upon it. I mean, he has no -- no
6 ties to CRPs other than he has a kid, he has a
7 disabled daughter who I guess recently passed away.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
9 MS. ROBINSON: But I will tell you he never liked
10 me from day one and he was kind of brought there to --
11 but that -- that has nothing to do with what I'm going
12 to tell you, but I just want to disclose that I have
13 no love lost for the guy.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
15 MS. ROBINSON: So, anyway, you know, I'd say go
16 left; he'd say, oh, no, we should go right, you know,
17 whatever. You know, he was -- he was telling Bob --
18 and he's very good friends with Bob Chamberlin.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Bob Turner.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, with Bob Chamberlin.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
22 MS. ROBINSON: But, see, Bob Chamberlin and Jim
23 Barone are best friends.
25 MS. ROBINSON: And this guy was Jim Barone's best

17
1 friend as well.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Gotcha.
3 MS. ROBINSON: So he's about as independent as --
4 as my brother would be if he were, you know, on the
5 board.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, sure.
7 MS. ROBINSON: But nevertheless, nevertheless,
8 they bring him in, but then they bring him in as an
9 advisor, and he's just there so that every time I
10 would bring up let's change this policy or this
11 practice is inequitable, he would say how that's
12 really not necessary, he's an expert, he comes from,
13 you know, a federal contractor, you know, and we don't
14 need to do it. So he was always there to pour water
15 on everything.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
17 MS. ROBINSON: So then there was this, I don't
18 know, scheme, for lack of a better word, where Dennis
19 Fields was going to start this ESOP veterans-owned,
20 you know, this whole pilot project and all of that,
21 right?
23 MS. ROBINSON: And so all of a sudden the guy
24 went away. I mean, you know, he went away. They
25 brought him in when they needed to to help change some

18
1 governance things, get some people off who were making
2 noise, etcetera, etcetera, and then he went away.
3 Then he showed up again about a year ago.
4 MR. LOPEZ: The same Bob Turner?
5 MS. ROBINSON: Yes, Bob Turner.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Just keep that name in your mind.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: And he shows up again about a year
10 ago.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Uh-huh.
12 MS. ROBINSON: And they put him on the audit
13 committee, and then the audit committee keeps trying
14 to assassinate me, and, you know, he's their advisor,
15 and he's meeting privately with Bob and Dennis and all
16 of that and I know with Jim Barone because they're
17 best friends. So he's making these disparaging
18 comments, you know, about I have to go, you know, the
19 whole nine yards.
21 MS. ROBINSON: But I can't do anything about it
22 because they keep reappointing him and he's -- he's
23 our guy who -- who's independent supposedly.
25 MS. ROBINSON: He has no connection to a CRP or

19
1 anything like that. And so he's the one, for example,
2 during -- when we were trying to settle with you was
3 trying to say, oh, no, don't do that. You know, he's
4 there to carry Jim Barone and Bob's water --
6 MS. ROBINSON: -- under the independent voice --
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: -- you know, on paper, so -- but,
9 you know, as you say -- I always tell you God takes
10 care of fools and babies.
11 MR. LOPEZ: That's right.
12 MS. ROBINSON: He decides to go out and start a
13 company, a veteran-owned disabled business.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And he decides to get a black guy
16 as his partner, and I think the other guy is Middle
17 Eastern, but I'm not sure, but he's not, you know,
18 just straight American.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
20 MS. ROBINSON: So they form this veterans-owned
21 business, and all of a sudden I start seeing the guy
22 in the building a couple days a week.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
24 MS. ROBINSON: And then they assign him to work
25 with our internal auditor, Goli Trump, who's another

20
1 crazy one, but -- and he's like there every day. So,
2 I mean, you know me, you know I got to make smart
3 comments every so often. So I say to the guy -- I see
4 him like three times in a week. So I said, we should
5 get you an office here --
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: -- because you're here so much,
8 you know. And there's all these closed-door,
9 behind-the-scenes meetings, and I can't -- and Dennis
10 has got all these -- you know, I have access to his
11 calendar. He's got all these private appointments on
12 his calendar with this guy. I'm kind of watching, you
13 know, watching how it's working.
14 And so he didn't like my comment when I said
15 that. I said (unintelligible). We were walking down
16 the hall, and I said, you know, we ought to get you an
17 office here because you seem to be here a lot lately.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
19 MS. ROBINSON: He didn't think it was funny, but
20 I thought it was hilarious, but anyway. So the next
21 thing I know is the last commission meeting, the only
22 one that David -- okay?
23 MR. LOPEZ: That David --
24 MS. ROBINSON: The only one that David Gonzales
25 misses.
21
1 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
2 MS. ROBINSON: So right before the commission
3 meeting, the day before Bob says to me: You're too
4 busy to go to the commission meeting, aren't you? I
5 mean, you got time for that? You don't have to go to
6 this one. Now, whatever I'm doing, you understand I
7 have to drop whatever I'm doing and now I got to go,
8 because Bob is subtly trying to steer me away from it.
10 MS. ROBINSON: So I go. So about halfway through
11 here comes this nattily dressed black guy, and they
12 got this presentation on the agenda for this
13 veteran-owned business.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Um-hmm.
15 MS. ROBINSON: I'm like, what does that have to
16 do with AbilityOne? You know, I was very confused.
17 So the guy gets up there, and he starts talking. Now,
18 here's the problem. When you -- when you enlist the
19 Martin Williams and whoever this guy's name is, and I
20 don't know his name, they're not the brightest people
21 in the world. So when you enlist them, you have to
22 really brief them up good, otherwise they say and do
23 stupid stuff. So they're up making this presentation
24 before the commission, and I'm looking at Bob, and I'm
25 looking at Dennis, and, you know, everybody is

22
1 slapping five and, hey, hey, how you doing and, you
2 know, chummy-chum.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
4 MS. ROBINSON: And they're making this about how
5 they're going to, you know, have these veteran-owned
6 businesses and how they can partner with AbilityOne
7 and so forth and so on. So they let the two people --
8 his two other partners, Bob Turner's two other
9 partners get up, and Bob Turner is not at the meeting,
10 okay, because that would have been too obvious,
11 because, remember, Bob is our independent audit
12 committee member and he's our independent board member
13 and he's been our great, great advisor. So, you know,
14 they got sense enough not to trot him out --
16 MS. ROBINSON: -- to make a presentation to the
17 commission, so -- but I didn't get the connection. I
18 thought, well, okay, I'm not so sure what -- this is a
19 waste of everybody's time, it doesn't seem to have
20 much connection to the AbilityOne program, it is going
21 to help, you know, disabled veterans, that's a great
22 thing, I'm -- I'm real happy for that and all that,
23 but why the hell are we getting this presentation and
24 why is Bob and Dennis all involved in it.
25 So Dennis introduces the guy. So the black guy

23
1 gets up there. He wasn't very articulate, but he gets
2 up there, and he starts talking about their company,
3 and he starts saying, well, you know, our company was
4 formed by -- the name of the company is -- I forget
5 what it is, but at the end, the last name of it is Bob
6 Turner's daughter's name.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Oh.
8 MS. ROBINSON: And so this guy goes on to
9 explain, and our other partner, who is Bob Turner.
10 Well, now I wake up, you know, because I'm
11 half-asleep.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Wake up. Is Bob Turner, and his
14 daughter was disabled, and she passed away, and he's,
15 you know, a partner in this company, and he goes on
16 talking about Bob Turner. So I look over there at
17 Bob's face, like -- Bob is like, oh, man, we should
18 have probably told him not to say that, but he doesn't
19 know. You know, this guy is pretty innocent and not
20 real bright. So he's going on and on about Bob
21 Turner. Well, the commission members don't know,
22 because they don't really know our board members by
23 name or anything.
25 MS. ROBINSON: They're not making any connection,

24
1 but I'm making a great big connection, right?
2 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
3 MS. ROBINSON: I'm going, oh, okay, I get it, I
4 get it, I get it. Okay. So I thought, well, that's a
5 hell of a conflict. Then more closed-door meetings go
6 on. After the commission meeting Dennis is meeting
7 with Bob Turner, Joe Diaz is meeting with Bob Turner,
8 everybody is meeting with Bob Turner except poor
9 little Jean Dangerfield, you know.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
11 MS. ROBINSON: He's looking kind of silly at me
12 every time he sees me, but, you know, I'm thinking,
13 boy, this guy is -- so they said, well, Bob Turner. I
14 said, is he working for us now? No, he's a
15 consultant, he's not taking any money, but he's --
16 he's giving us some advice on this and that. I said,
17 oh, yeah, because he's spending a lot of time here, in
18 fact I say we should get him an office. That didn't
19 go over real well, but you know me.
21 MS. ROBINSON: I'm going to say what I'm going to
22 say.
24 MS. ROBINSON: They don't say anything, and then
25 the next audit committee where they're supposed to be

25
1 beat on Jean, because I'll have to tell you how I got
2 (unintelligible) at the board meeting, but that's
3 another side story.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
5 MS. ROBINSON: So at least I backed him up off of
6 me at least publicly anyway. What he does behind my
7 back maybe, you know, I don't care. So we're at the
8 meeting, and all of a sudden Bob Turner is no longer
9 taking shots at me.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Huh.
11 MS. ROBINSON: I'm like, well, he's been taking
12 shots at me for over a year now, you know, what
13 happened? Did somebody put some poison in his -- you
14 know, what's going on?
15 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
16 MS. ROBINSON: He's kind of quiet. He'd kind of
17 agreeing with a few things that I say. You know, that
18 shocks the crap out of me. So at the end of the
19 meeting, the July meeting is the meeting where I hand
20 out conflict of interest disclosure forms that have to
21 be filled out by board members.
23 MS. ROBINSON: So he comes up to me at the end of
24 the meeting. He says, Jean, I need -- you're counsel,
25 I need to sit down with you to fill out my form.

26
1 I said: What do you mean? Can I answer a question
2 for you? I mean, you can fill it out on your own.
3 That's where you disclose any conflict, any related
4 transactions with SourceAmerica, you know, etcetera.
5 So he says, well, I don't know if I need to
6 disclose this or not, but my company -- well, you know
7 I have three -- three people from my company work for
8 Joe Diaz over in the East region.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, my.
10 MS. ROBINSON: They're veterans. I said:
11 Really. When did that happen? How did that happen?
12 Well, they're on loan -- he says, they're on loan to
13 NISH. And I said: They're on loan to us? What do
14 you mean? I said: Well, you don't have to disclose
15 that. I mean, that's -- that's great. I mean, nice
16 of you guys to do that.
17 He said, well, no, we get a fee for it. I said,
18 really, how much? So he said something like that
19 60,000. I said, oh, okay, well, yeah, you need to
20 disclose that. I said, but -- he said, but what else
21 do I need to disclose about it? I said, well,
22 whatever -- you know, the questions on there are
23 pretty specific. They have to do with the percentage
24 of a company that you own and how much revenue, and
25 it's pretty damn clear, he didn't need me to, you

27
1 know. So I said, well, you got to fill this out on
2 your own, I can't really help you, or you've got to
3 get your own counsel.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: That's what I told him. I said, I
6 can't -- you know, I can't really help you with this.
7 So it was clear to me, you know, he'd already met with
8 Bob and Jim Barone and whatever. But I said, you
9 definitely must declare it, yes. So he discloses it.
10 He hands me the form, says, here, I'm going to hand
11 this back to you. Why don't you keep it, I said, and
12 go over with your counsel and -- because I don't feel
13 comfortable giving you tax advice or even this kind of
14 advice because I don't know enough about your
15 company --
17 MS. ROBINSON: -- and its relationship with NISH
18 to really advise you properly, and I'm not your
19 counsel per se.
21 MS. ROBINSON: So he said, no, no, no, you go
22 ahead and keep it. I said, okay, well, if you -- you
23 understand that the duty to disclose conflicts is an
24 ongoing duty, and, you know, you can supplement this.
25 And he said, okay. So I put the thing in my

28
1 briefcase.
2 All right. So the next thing I know, we're in
3 the -- we're in the senior staff meeting, and Matthew,
4 the other snake, I mean, actually my assassin, says,
5 oh, I just want to announce, very casually, that we
6 hired -- we hired three people in the East region.
7 Really. In what area? You know, business
8 development. I said, really, three. He said, well,
9 yeah, they were people from Bob Turner's company.
10 Well, he didn't say Bob Turner. He said whatever the
11 name of the company is. And I said, really. I said,
12 isn't that Bob Turner's company? You know, didn't
13 look up from my paper.
15 MR. ROBINSON: Yeah. He said, oh, we hired them.
16 Well, did other employees have a chance to compete for
17 the jobs, etcetera, etcetera, I said, because, you
18 know, a lot of people like project manager jobs
19 and -- oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was fair and open
20 competition. I said, oh, okay, that's interesting, I
21 said, because -- and then what I did when I got back
22 from the board meeting, I meet with Bob and Dennis
23 every week, and what I do on that is everything that I
24 find that's problematic, I put it on my agenda to talk
25 to them about it.

29
1 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
2 MS. ROBINSON: But I'm really just creating a
3 written record that, you know, I talked to them about
4 it this date. So one of the things I had on my agenda
5 was we need to look closer at Bob Turner's conflict
6 with NISH. He's supposed to be an independent audit
7 committee member, but now I understand based on his
8 discussion with me at the board meeting that his
9 company is receiving -- his company is placing people
10 here and receiving money for it, okay?
11 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
12 MS. ROBINSON: So I write it down, and what I
13 write in the agenda for my meeting for Bob and Dennis
14 is discuss conflict of issue, code of conduct issues
15 regarding Bob Turner and his affiliation with -- that
16 pisses them off, just that line, because now I got it
17 in writing somewhere.
18 But we get to that, and I said, well, you know,
19 this may be -- this may be a done deal, I mean, it may
20 not be an issue, I said, because it appears that he
21 disclosed it, but it's a little bit of a problem
22 because I don't know -- I don't think -- what I need
23 to get from you and Dennis, and they go red in the
24 face, I need to get a better understanding of what his
25 relationship is with our company --

30
1 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
2 MS. ROBINSON: -- before -- so I can decide
3 whether or not it is indeed, you know, a problem or
4 not. I don't have enough information. I don't
5 understand what he's doing. So Dennis kind of glosses
6 over it and kind of tells me a little bit, you know,
7 of what he's doing, no more than Bob has already told
8 me. And so I said, oh, well, this really could be a
9 bit problematic, I said, but I need to get more
10 information from him.
11 And so Bob says, well, I don't think it's a
12 problem, and Dennis -- they go on and tell me, you
13 know, it's not a problem. I said, okay, well, I'll
14 just -- you know, I want to look closer, I want to
15 understand more, and I'm still confused about why his
16 company was presenting at the commission meeting
17 and -- and what that has to do with AbilityOne. So
18 Dennis tries to give me some excuse, some explanation
19 that I still didn't understand even after he finished
20 it, which means it wasn't real.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
22 MS. ROBINSON: And so I said, he's supposed to be
23 our independent guy, so I think I have some real
24 issues with -- you know, we really need to look at
25 that closer, and it came up because at the board

31
1 meeting -- I said, and by the way, you guys always
2 seem to give David Christmas in July. That's what I
3 said. What do you mean?
4 I said, well, you guys voted at the board meeting
5 on a 7-million-dollar project that you sprung on the
6 board without a business plan. I said, but when I say
7 you gave David Christmas in July, because David was in
8 there, but I don't -- I don't know if David gets all
9 these things, by the way, but -- so what happened is,
10 they voted deficit budget, and it becomes
11 controversial because they're asking for this e-waste
12 project, they're asking the board to approve a
13 7-million-dollar expenditure. They don't have a
14 business plan. They don't have anything.
16 MS. ROBINSON: They just want $7 million. So Jim
17 Gibbons, who heads up Goodwill, another one of
18 the boys in the mafia, as I call it --
20 MS. ROBINSON: -- all of a sudden got religion.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Oh-oh.
22 MS. ROBINSON: He said -- well, he says, I
23 just -- I find it hard to believe that you guys would
24 come before the board and ask for a deficit budget, a
25 million dollars for this project, you don't have a

32
1 business plan. He spoke against it, I don't think we
2 ought to be doing this. I'm like, damn, he finally --
3 you know, maybe since he was on TV, remember he was on
4 Rock 10.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Maybe -- maybe he's realizing he's
7 got to change his ways. And then -- then about
8 20 minutes after -- no, about 10 minutes after I
9 thought that it dawned on me, because you know I used
10 to be general counsel for Goodwill a million years
11 ago, fresh out of law school.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
13 MS. ROBINSON: It dawned on me that there were
14 about 35 Goodwills already in the e-waste business and
15 the real reason that he was voting against this was
16 not because the idiots, you know, want smart business
17 people and didn't have them, all of the nice, good
18 reasons he put on record, I mean, they made sense, but
19 he really was voting against the corporation's
20 interests and voting in the best interests of his
21 Goodwill because he wanted to knock out the
22 competition.
24 MS. ROBINSON: If NISH goes into that business,
25 that's going to cut into a business that Goodwill --

33
1 his 35 Goodwills are already in. Do you understand?
3 MS. ROBINSON: But he said all the right things,
4 right? So I was like, there is a God, look at that,
5 these guys are getting religion, even David Spencer
6 has gotten religion lately, you know, but, anyway, it
7 only took me about four more minutes to figure out,
8 no, he said all the right things about why he voted
9 no, but it had nothing to do with why he really voted
10 no. The reason he really voted no is because he's
11 trying to knock out the competition.
12 And then the very next day he comes back after
13 the board meeting and asks Dennis for a copy of the
14 business plan and stuff as a board member, and I said,
15 you can't give that to him, I said, because he's going
16 to give it -- he's going to share it with his
17 affiliates, and that's -- you know, that's just wrong,
18 that works against NISH's interests. So they
19 decided -- and Jim is their boy. I mean, he's part
20 of the Barone, Chamberlin; you know, he's part of that
21 mafia.
23 MS. ROBINSON: But he's just a little bit too --
24 too apparent here.

34
1 MS. ROBINSON: So then there are a couple other
2 people, Peter Burns and some others who abstained from
3 the vote, because this whole thing is going to be a
4 pilot project and they've already figured out who's
5 going to get it, and so the people who abstained were
6 the people who were going to get it.
8 MS. ROBINSON: I just looked and started
9 laughing. I said, this is ridiculous. The whole darn
10 thing, you talk about a conflict of interest. So then
11 a couple people said, oh, it was so obvious, you know,
12 so even everybody knew that that was a problem. I
13 said, well, you know, we should bring them up on it.
14 You guys threw David off the board for unmanageable
15 conflict, and this is certainly a conflict, and it's
16 not manageable, and this guy breached his duty to
17 disclose.
19 MS. ROBINSON: Well, anyway, we got -- we got
20 through all that. Well, that was also on my agenda to
21 discuss on the Tuesday following the board meeting
22 along with Bob Turner's conflict. So there was just
23 conflict on both sides. You got a good guy and a bad
24 guy, but, you know. And so Bob, he spent more time on
25 the Jim Gibbons' conflict and lack of disclosure than

35
1 on the Bob Turner.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: He kind of got me off that. I
4 mean, they didn't really get me off it, but we didn't
5 spend any time on it.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
7 MS. ROBINSON: We spent all the time talking
8 about what Gibbons should have done, right?
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Right, right, right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: So now -- so yesterday I'm in this
11 all-day farce of a meeting, these trainings that
12 supposedly rose out through B-1, and Bob walks up to
13 me frantic. Oh, how come you weren't here at 8:00
14 o'clock? I said: Well, because I have to put my kid
15 on a bus. I told you I'm not going to be here at 8:00
16 o'clock. I mean, Martin -- Martin purposely excluded
17 legal from this whole thing, and you're bugging
18 me about -- but, anyway, the bottomline is, he said:
19 But also I need to talk to you. Did Bob Turner talk
20 to you? Bob Turner is bothered by his conflict.
21 Bob Turner ain't bothered by his conflict. What
22 Bob Turner is bothered by is the fact that I put it in
23 writing on an agenda that it was an issue and a
24 concern to Bob and Dennis, and they went back and
25 said, yep, she's on to it.

36
1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: So he comes up to me trying to
3 get out in front of it yesterday by saying, I need you
4 to meet with Bob Turner because he's not sleeping
5 nights worried about his conflict. I said: What
6 conflict? $60,000? I mean, that's nothing not to
7 sleep over. I mean, he disclosed it; it's not a
8 problem. He says, well, what is your role in
9 determining -- this is Bob Chamberlin asking me this,
10 you know, my boss asking me.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
12 MS. ROBINSON: What is your role in determining
13 whether or not somebody's disclosure is in fact a
14 conflict? So I said: What are you talking about,
15 Bob? I don't understand the question. You know,
16 because at first he didn't say Bob Turner's name, he
17 just asked me this sort of generic question in the
18 blind.
20 MS. ROBINSON: And I said: I don't think I
21 understand your question, Bob. What did you -- he
22 said, well, Bob Turner, you know, he's really
23 bothered. I said, well, why is he bothered? He said,
24 well, he's concerned -- I said, he's concerned about
25 the fact that he's placing people at our company and

37
1 we're paying him a fee and he's supposed to be an
2 independent board member. I already told you guys
3 I thought that, you know, might be problematic and we
4 need to drill down further, but that's nothing to keep
5 the guy up at night. You know me.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: So then he says, well, no, that's
8 not -- what he's bothered by now is that this
9 National -- this NGA project, he is the subcontractor
10 to ServiceSource. I said, what do you mean "he" is?
11 Well, his company. I said: Oh, really. And how did
12 that happen? You know me.
14 MS. ROBINSON: He says: Well, you got to meet
15 with him about it because I guess -- this is Bob -- I
16 guess he's probably going to have to resign from the
17 board or something. I mean, I hate to lose him as a
18 board member. He's one of the best board members
19 we've ever had. This is Bob's speech to me.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
21 MS. ROBINSON: He said, but -- he said, but it
22 may mean -- I mean, you need to look at that
23 situation. I said, well, Bob, I'm the one who brought
24 it to your attention, remember? But I was unaware
25 that he is the subcontractor. What are you talking

38
1 about NGA? You know.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: I said, I need to get a lot
4 smarter before I meet with this guy. Well, you need
5 to meet with him right away, I need you to call him
6 right away. And I said, well, explain to me what's
7 going on, what's the relationship. I said: Did NISH
8 take him as the subcontractor to ServiceSource? I
9 mean, what he does with ServiceSource is his business,
10 but how did ServiceSource even get the project?
11 And so Bob says, well, I don't have all the
12 details, which is total bullshit. I don't have all
13 the details, but you need to get all that stuff from
14 Martin, and when you get that stuff from Martin -- and
15 one of the reasons that I ended up falling asleep last
16 night before I called you back, because I was trying
17 to get from Martin -- I was trying to get him -- he
18 would not call me back. He didn't call me back until
19 like 6:00 o'clock this morning.
21 MS. ROBINSON: I was trying to get a little bit
22 more G2 about, you know, how ServiceSource got
23 selected, what the project was all about. I knew it
24 was in St. Louis, and I knew they had decided to give
25 it to ServiceSource. So I was just trying to get a

39
1 little more from the horse's mouth kind of, you know,
2 information, but he wouldn't -- he never called me
3 back, "he" meaning Martin.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And so I called him under the
6 guise of, hey, Martin, Bob wants me to meet with Bob
7 Turner immediately about what he thinks is a conflict
8 that we got to figure out what to do about except I
9 don't know enough about the project and whether we
10 competed it or whatever. That's the message I leave
11 him, but he didn't call me back last night.
12 So he calls me at 6:15 this morning. My phone
13 rings; it's Martin. Hey, I was busy, blah blah blah.
14 What do you want to know? So I said, well, what I
15 want to know is, explain this NGA project to me and,
16 you know, what's going on with it, who applied, did we
17 advertise it, you know, because I want to look at all
18 those things. I said, did we advertise it, you know,
19 explain to me what's going on, so -- I got to see if I
20 like cilantro before I put it in my soup.
21 MR. LOPEZ: You will. It's a good, good, good,
22 good spice.
23 MS. ROBINSON: All right. I'm going to put it in
24 there --
25 MR. LOPEZ: In moderation.

40
1 MS. ROBINSON: -- based on what you told me.
2 MR. LOPEZ: In moderation.
3 MS. ROBINSON: Now, do I not use a lot, just a
4 little, right?
5 MR. LOPEZ: Just a little. Not the thick parts
6 of the stock, just the leaves and a little bit of the
7 tender stock.
8 MS. ROBINSON: That's what I'm putting in there
9 are the leaves.
10 MR. LOPEZ: There you go.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So, anyway, so Martin calls
12 me this morning, and he says, well, Jean, you know,
13 yeah, we advertised it. He said -- I said, well, who
14 applied? He said, well, just ServiceSource and PRIDE.
15 Wait a minute, hold on. Now I knew why.
17 MS. ROBINSON: I said: Why? Why just
18 ServiceSource and PRIDE? He said: Well, just
19 ServiceSource and PRIDE because you needed a
20 top-secret clearance, and we only have two agencies in
21 our whole program that have that. It happens to be
22 ServiceSource and PRIDE.
23 I said, oh, you know, because I didn't want him
24 to think I was on to anything, you know. I was
25 just -- I said: Oh, wow. Okay. And so how come you

41
1 guys didn't give it to PRIDE? And, you know,
2 everybody knows that I hate PRIDE.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Everybody knows that I have
5 single-handedly stood in the way of PRIDE getting a
6 few multimillion-dollar projects in the last two
7 years.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: I mean literally. I mean, so --
10 he said, well, you know, with ServiceSource, we just
11 decided it would be ServiceSource. I said, well, how
12 did you decide that? And I said, well -- he said,
13 well, they're the only ones with the top-secret
14 clearance. I said, okay, well, I got that now, and
15 I'll come back to that later, Martin, but explain to
16 me how Bob Turner is in the middle of this and why Bob
17 thinks it's imperative that I meet with him. You know
18 how -- you know me. I'm going through this thing.
20 MS. ROBINSON: And he said, well, because
21 ServiceSource -- it's a TFM project, and ServiceSource
22 has contracted with Bob Turner's company to complete
23 part of the contract, apparently.
25 MS. ROBINSON: I said, oh, how much revenue? Oh,

42
1 that I don't know. I said, well, which part of it
2 are they doing? That he didn't know. And it just
3 went on and on and on, right?
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And it was like 6:15 in the
6 morning, quite frankly, and I said, well, somebody has
7 got to get me all that information because I can't
8 really meet with the man and determine whether or
9 not -- you know, how big this conflict is until I have
10 a little better information, I said, because, you
11 know, you don't seem to know. How big is the TFM
12 contract? Not very big, he said. And so John tells
13 me later, though, that that's not true, that it is a
14 big contract.
15 MR. LOPEZ: It's a big, big contract.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So but, I mean, I kind of
17 figured that out by the fact that Bob pulled my ass
18 out of a meeting, okay?
19 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
20 MS. ROBINSON: And is trying to get this guy
21 cleared up. I said: Well, has it already been
22 determined that it's definitely going to
23 ServiceSource, and has it already been determined that
24 Bob Turner's group is definitely going to be the
25 subcontractor? Well, yes and no. Martin, it's 6:15

43
1 in the morning. Could you please, yes or no, which
2 is -- what is the answer? Well, kind of, because
3 really there's nobody else can have it, and the
4 commission has decided that ServiceSource can have it,
5 that they're suitable for it. I said, really. I
6 said, well, has anybody -- I said, are any of my
7 problem children -- that would be you, Gonzales, and a
8 few others. I said, any of my problem children make
9 any noise about this? Well, no, because they couldn't
10 apply anyway because they don't have top-secret
11 clearance.
12 I said, that's true. I said, you know, this
13 top-secret thing is an issue, you know. I said, this
14 top-secret thing is a problem, I think, because
15 basically we've got all these things coming on line.
16 I said, now what about this other 500-million-dollar
17 thing that I happen to call a base in a suitcase
18 because it reminds me of -- remember the Jetsons and
19 all that futuristic stuff?
20 MR. LOPEZ: Right. I do.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Well, the government has a project
22 that they've decided to put in the AbilityOne program
23 where like, for example, if we decide to go into
24 Syria, they have these modular bases set up, and the
25 bases are built like here, like somebody builds the

44
1 garage, somebody builds the galley, somebody -- it's
2 all in one big, huge modular like building --
3 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
4 MS. ROBINSON: -- that is set in place by GPS.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: You know, you're going into
7 dangerous places. So obviously that's going to be
8 top-secret.
10 MS. ROBINSON: That's obvious. Okay. It's a
11 huge, huge -- I mean, I think it's like 500 million.
12 It's like -- I can't even remember, but it was just --
13 the money was just out of this world, and they've
14 decided to put it in our program.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Well, nobody is going to be able
17 to apply for that either except for --
18 MR. LOPEZ: ServiceSource and PRIDE.
19 MS. ROBINSON: -- ServiceSource and PRIDE.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Exactly.
21 MS. ROBINSON: So I've got it figured out.
22 That's why I told you, I came to the party late. So
23 what they've done -- what they've done, essentially
24 the reason PRIDE has passed on a lot of projects
25 recently and they haven't really cared and they

45
1 haven't been bitching and moaning about stuff is
2 because Bob and Jim Barone, the rest of them, have --
3 now they've got, what's his name, Bob Turner's company
4 as directed stuff. I don't know what their
5 affiliation is with that company, but I guess they're
6 smart enough not to put -- you know, have any
7 corporate affiliation with it, but the bottomline on
8 all of this is if they -- if they get those two
9 projects they would never need another project in the
10 world, obviously.
12 MS. ROBINSON: And so ServiceSource gets this one
13 in St. Louis, and PRIDE is going to get this other big
14 one.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Okay.
17 MR. LOPEZ: And is Bob Turner's company, are they
18 top-secret? Do you know?
19 MS. ROBINSON: Don't know. Maybe, because
20 he's -- you know, he came from SAIC. I don't know.
22 MS. ROBINSON: But now I did a little -- okay.
23 So walk me through this, okay? Because I have a
24 friend who's a general who used to -- who's actually
25 in our program.
46
1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: And he used to be the head of --
3 he's like the first African-American in intelligence.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
5 MS. ROBINSON: But I was just asking him some
6 general questions, and I said, in order for you to get
7 a facility top-secret clearance, as I understand it,
8 your -- for organization top-secret clearance, your
9 organization has to be -- have top-secret work, they
10 have to have somewhere where they've done top-secret
11 work, and then you -- you know, you get it because of
12 that work that you're doing, but it's not
13 transferrable. I mean, it's always associated with a
14 particular project, correct?
15 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So for us to put in a
17 requirement that you can only apply if you already
18 have it is not -- is not -- is more than what the
19 government would be requesting because the government
20 would generally just say, okay, Ruben, if you get
21 this, if your company would be the one that is
22 selected, you've got a year or you've got, you know,
23 nine months to get your clearance.
25 MS. ROBINSON: Right? Correct?

47
2 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So there's no need for us
3 to screen these projects ahead of time by saying --
4 so what we could say in the opportunity notice or in
5 the SSN is you need to be top-secret eligible.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Your organization needs to
8 understand that if you were given this project you
9 have a set amount of time to get that or you can't
10 have the project.
12 MS. ROBINSON: But the way we're doing it is
13 we're saying, Ruben, your organization or any other
14 can't even apply even if you could go and get a
15 top-secret organizational clearance because we're only
16 going to let people apply who have managed to get that
17 somewhere else at some other time.
19 MS. ROBINSON: That only limits the pool to two
20 people.
22 MS. ROBINSON: In our case two organizations, I
23 mean.
25 MS. ROBINSON: And so what we should be saying is

48
1 everybody can apply, right? Everybody could apply,
2 but with the understanding and the caveat that you
3 understand if you are to get it that you've got to
4 go and get this clearance by whatever time frame the
5 government says.
7 MS. ROBINSON: And the government probably
8 doesn't care as long as they believe you stand a
9 pretty decent chance of getting that, right?
10 MR. LOPEZ: Of course, of course. That's usually
11 how it goes. Absolutely.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So why -- I'm just -- this
13 is rhetorical, Mr. Lopez. So why have we opted to
14 say, no, you can't even apply unless you've already
15 gotten top-secret at some other point in your life?
16 MR. LOPEZ: That's an interesting approach. It
17 truly is.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Well, but it's an approach -- it's
19 actually kind of brilliant on their part. I didn't
20 realize they were this smart. It's an approach that
21 when I come up to them and say, you know, who applied
22 for this, they can say, well, Jean, we wish more
23 people were eligible, but they weren't because we only
24 had two people and it's a government requirement that
25 it be top-secret.
49
1 MR. LOPEZ: Now, I heard --
2 MS. ROBINSON: And it positions them and their
3 offshoot companies, their subsidiary companies like
4 Turner and the rest of them, to get these big, big ass
5 projects that are coming on line.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Correct. Let me give you an example,
7 and I have a question, as a matter of fact. The NGA
8 project there near you.
9 MS. ROBINSON: St. Louis. It's in St. Louis, the
10 one we're talking about.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. No, there's another one that
12 they advertised, and we were all ready to present
13 which is near you.
15 MR. LOPEZ: And they put the kibosh on that until
16 further notice. That's the one that CH2M Hill and we
17 were ready to present on, and then suddenly they said,
18 sorry, you know, the government has decided to -- to
19 suspend it for a little bit, we don't know when, until
20 when. It's NGA, but it's right there, the big complex
21 next to you, across -- across the Potomac, I think,
22 from you.
23 MS. ROBINSON: Okay, okay, okay. I don't know
24 about that one, but okay.
25 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. So we're thinking -- you know,

50
1 we're waiting and we're thinking -- we've asked, and
2 they won't answer. And when I asked this TFM guru
3 in your office -- what's his name? Oh, my goodness.
4 It's not Tom Degan, but --
5 MS. ROBINSON: Heath?
6 MR. LOPEZ: The only one that does TFM there in
7 your office.
8 MS. ROBINSON: The only one that does TFM in the
9 national office, you mean?
10 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, national. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, Rhett Linke.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Rhett?
14 MR. LOPEZ: I think so. Anyway, I talked to him,
15 and he just -- he cannot hold my gaze, and he says,
16 we'll call you guys whenever the government sits back
17 on the table. And I says, you're going to call all of
18 us? Yes. I said, how many are we? He says, well,
19 there were many of you. Really. Well, when we had a
20 meeting with Martin William and he disclosed to us
21 that there were only three of us who had applied for
22 that project, only three, not -- not many of us.
23 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah.
24 MR. LOPEZ: And now we keep asking them what's
25 going on, and they won't answer, not a peep from you
51
1 guys. So meaning that I suspect they're getting one
2 of those companies ready to be top-secret clearance
3 cleared and they'll have a third one. Maybe it's Bob
4 Turner's company. I don't know.
5 MS. ROBINSON: Well, they may already be, but Bob
6 Turner's company is small and they just started, but
7 they're just going to get all the subcontract stuff.
9 MS. ROBINSON: But, no, I mean, I think what
10 they're doing is probably giving PRIDE and
11 ServiceSource and you're right. Oh, CW Resources also
12 got a piece of this, Bob Turner's company and CW
13 Resource and ServiceSource.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Okay, okay.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Those are the -- those are the
16 three. Okay?
17 MR. LOPEZ: Very good.
18 MS. ROBINSON: But -- so now what's so
19 interesting about this is how they're going to try and
20 wiggle, I guess, for lack of better words, their way
21 out of this with Turner.
23 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, he's got the project. But
24 I don't think it's a done deal that ServiceSource is
25 the one who has to get this project. Do you

52
1 understand what I'm saying?
2 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
3 MS. ROBINSON: I think no one has made noise yet,
4 and so therefore it's kind of a done deal, and a
5 lot -- it isn't on a lot of people's radar screen
6 because they haven't even bothered to look at it
7 because the notice says you can't apply unless you
8 have top-secret.
10 MS. ROBINSON: So people just figure, well,
11 that's legit and it's not even something for me to --
12 organization, it's not even something for me to
13 consider, but systemically what we've got to do in
14 order to open this game up a little bit is we've got
15 to stop making that a screening tool for who can
16 apply.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Anybody can apply as long as they
19 understand that if the project is awarded to them they
20 will have to get that clearance within X number of --
21 you know, in a certain time frame.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Certain -- certainly. I have a
23 question for you.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Whatever the government sets as
25 that time frame, and I don't know what that is, so --

53
1 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Usually three to six months.
2 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. And I guess top-secret
3 could be as much as a year, I would think.
4 MR. LOPEZ: It's a year. Sure, sure. It's true.
5 MS. ROBINSON: In this day and time. But I don't
6 know, because I haven't done all of my homework
7 because the boys were ahead of me on this one, quite
8 frankly.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Now, Jean, let me ask you a
10 question.
12 MR. LOPEZ: How is it that the board of directors
13 manipulates or directs SourceAmerica staff to do their
14 bidding? How does that work out? How does that
15 happen?
16 MS. ROBINSON: What do you mean by that?
17 MR. LOPEZ: Well, Martin William and Joe Diaz and
18 Dave Dubinsky.
19 MS. ROBINSON: What do they get out of it, you
20 mean?
21 MR. LOPEZ: No. How do they -- how do these
22 individuals as individuals work for the benefit of the
23 board of directors or the nonprofit agencies that
24 these boards of directors -- the NISH's board of
25 directors help?
54
1 MS. ROBINSON: Well, there's not that many
2 individuals. There's basically Martin. Martin is
3 the big guy.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
5 MS. ROBINSON: So you cool off Martin and you
6 give him, you know, this made-up job as vice president
7 of all things important for the region.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
9 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, what's the difference
10 between his job and Dennis's job?
12 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. And there really isn't.
13 Okay. You give him this job. You know, the guy
14 started there as a clerk. He thinks he's going to
15 have Bob's job. He's not that bright. He loves
16 power. His ego is big.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And he thinks he's, you know,
19 kingpin.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Which he is.
23 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, think about it.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Before we go --
25 MS. ROBINSON: Now, what the CRPs, what

55
1 ServiceSource and Peckham, which is another
2 discussion, what they're giving Martin, I don't know,
3 or if they're giving him anything. Now, so it isn't
4 necessarily the board as a whole. It's the
5 individuals who manage to get themselves on the board.
6 MR. LOPEZ: I see. I see.
7 MS. ROBINSON: So in addition to being in the
8 region or whatever, they're also on the board.
9 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
10 MS. ROBINSON: So Martin is buddy-buddy with
11 Mitch Tomlinson, for example, with Peckham, which is
12 our number one revenue source, and, you know, keeping
13 them happy is important, because they can make your
14 life pretty miserable if you don't, because they can
15 say to Bob, you know, that damn Martin or that damn
16 Jean.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Why do you keep them?
20 MS. ROBINSON: And they do say stuff like that.
21 I mean, and that's the other part of it. They do.
22 MR. LOPEZ: I gotcha. I understand. I
23 understand.
24 MS. ROBINSON: And so that's kind of what's going
25 on in that regard.
56
1 MR. LOPEZ: I get it. Now, let me ask you this.
2 For example, when they put the kibosh on Bona Fide
3 and all of the executive directors in all of the
4 regions, is that something they would have discussed
5 during their weekly meetings?
6 MS. ROBINSON: No. See, what happens is, the
7 people like Joe and Micky and the rest of them who
8 play along with the game, that's all done through
9 phone conversations, etcetera, and then they know
10 they're going to have to come through legal. In other
11 words, like in your case, in Bona Fide's case, they
12 know because of the agreement --
14 MS. ROBINSON: -- that we get to ask questions
15 that they're going to have to answer that they
16 normally wouldn't have to answer, but they also know
17 that -- that's why I said the top-secret thing is
18 brilliant, because they're never going to have to
19 answer to legal. I may not even -- we may not even
20 know some of these projects are coming on line, you
21 know, unless we're paying attention to every little
22 thing, because none of the litigants or the
23 detractors, as you're referred to --
25 MS. ROBINSON: -- would be eligible to apply.

57
1 That's why it's so brilliant.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: But you can kind of do this
4 quietly until it's almost like a done deal. You know
5 what I mean?
7 MS. ROBINSON: Until it's on the list, given to
8 somebody, etcetera, because no one is really --
9 there's no oversight.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. Now, for example, what
11 about the Puerto Rico project, the one that's a GSA
12 project out there in Puerto Rico? Now, that one
13 there -- there has to be oversight by you, by the
14 legal department.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. Well, and on that one,
16 Micky walked up to me at the end of the session today.
17 We've all been in this thing for two and a half days,
18 from sunup to sundown literally. And he says: Jean,
19 you're really holding up my progress here. I really
20 need to push the button. The customer is anxious.
21 The commission is anxious. Everybody is anxious. And
22 remind me to tell you how Tina asked me to lunch and I
23 blew her off.
25 MS. ROBINSON: But -- but the bottomline is, is

58
1 that -- and she's in the middle of this thing with
2 Chamberlin and Bob Turner and Jim Barone and all of
3 them too, because there's no way she would support
4 this craziness if she wasn't promised something,
5 but --
6 MR. LOPEZ: You mean Tina, Tina Ballard.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, yeah. Absolutely, absolutely.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Which is another way it can all
10 work because you've got to have the commission on
11 board with you. Remember, all we do is make a
12 recommendation; it's actually the commission that
13 awards something.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Well, yeah, yeah, on paper, but
15 remember that GAO report said that that's not true,
16 that it is --
17 MS. ROBINSON: Well, no, no, no. Well, it's true
18 that they rubber-stamp.
20 MS. ROBINSON: But I mean technically speaking,
21 if you had somebody over there that was really
22 monitoring what we were doing and really asking
23 questions, it wouldn't be a rubber-stamp.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Right, but they're -- yeah, you're
25 right.
59
1 MS. ROBINSON: But it is.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
3 MS. ROBINSON: We all understand it is, but --
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: But, anyway. But what the
6 bottomline is, is that right now on the Puerto Rico
7 thing, I said, Micky, I want to see all the paper.
8 Well, I can't -- you know, I need to push the button
9 by Monday. I said, well, send it to me
10 electronically, I'll look at it over the weekend, I
11 need to see -- what do you need to see? Well, I need
12 to see Bona Fide's proposal, I need to see the winning
13 proposal. Who did I tell you they were going to give
14 it to?
15 MR. LOPEZ: You didn't.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Let me think, who was in the --
17 oh, they're going to give it to an agency that is
18 there, that already has a presence in Puerto Rico or
19 is already there, and that's the major excuse they're
20 going to -- I said, so what kind of contract is it,
21 Micky? He said, janitorial. I said, oh, really? I
22 said, oh, that's -- that's Bona Fide's sweet spot.
23 Yeah, but not in Puerto Rico. And I said, yeah, okay.
24 All right. I said, well, what's their proposal?
25 Their proposal wasn't good, it's a GSA project, and --

60
1 and GSA is pushing us to, you know, move this thing
2 forward, and I can't keep holding it up.
3 I said, well, when you say you can't keep holding
4 it up, you know that the minute you tell me that I
5 need to review something that I need -- that I'm going
6 to say I need paper. Well, as we stand here today,
7 first of all, you -- you sent me an e-mail on --
8 Monday was the holiday. I believe it was Monday or
9 Tuesday. He sent me an e-mail on Tuesday saying he
10 thinks he's got a problem, notifying us that he's
11 about to award something that ain't going to go to you
12 guys.
14 MS. ROBINSON: And so I said, so you've had from
15 Tuesday till Friday, to today, to get us the
16 paperwork. I mean, am I just -- I looked at him. I
17 said: Am I supposed to just take your word for it,
18 Micky, that they weren't the best candidate? That's
19 not what I call monitoring. I will need all of the
20 proposals, the response, the SSN, everything, just get
21 me the paperwork, and I will read it, and I will --
22 and I said, but you can give me the executive summary
23 as we stand here. Did Bona Fide stand a chance? I
24 mean, were they qualified for it? No. The other
25 company was head and shoulders over them, they already

61
1 have a presence there, blah blah blah. I said, well,
2 it doesn't matter whether you -- I mean, janitorial
3 is janitorial wherever you're doing it, I mean, what's
4 the big deal.
6 MS. ROBINSON: And I will tell you -- I said:
7 Who knows. I don't know. Lopez. You know, maybe
8 Ruben -- maybe Ruben is from there. He may have more
9 of a presence than you know.
11 MS. ROBINSON: You know, I said, so -- but, you
12 know, I don't know that for sure, but, I said, it
13 doesn't matter, just give me the paperwork. So he
14 said: Well, I'll try to get it to you. I'm going to
15 get on a plane now, and I'll get it to you over the
16 weekend, but I need to push a button on Monday, and
17 it's not going to be -- Bona Fide is not going to get
18 it, and it's solid and it's defensible.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Guess what --
20 MS. ROBINSON: And it wasn't -- whoever he was
21 going to give it to was not somebody that I was
22 familiar with, Corporate somebody, Corporate -- I
23 don't remember, but it was not a normal name.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Interesting.
25 MS. ROBINSON: And Micky is sort of part of the

62
1 mafia, so it wouldn't surprise -- he and Sally
2 Henderson, wouldn't surprise me. The problem is there
3 aren't any of the executive directors that have not
4 been co-opted and are not part of the craziness.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Who co-opted them, Jean?
6 MS. ROBINSON: You know, I would assume Bob
7 Chamberlin and Dennis.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
9 MS. ROBINSON: And Martin.
11 MS. ROBINSON: But I would assume with the
12 directors that the number one co-opter would be Martin
13 Williams because he's their direct immediate boss.
15 MS. ROBINSON: That's who they got to deal with
16 every day and deal with his wrath.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Is he really a psychologist, Jean?
18 MS. ROBINSON: Martin?
19 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
20 MS. ROBINSON: I don't know. I -- I don't know.
21 I mean, he might have a degree in it, but I don't
22 know.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. Because I --
24 MS. ROBINSON: He's not very --
25 MR. LOPEZ: I don't know if I shared with you,

63
1 but he told me that he was a psychologist, and then
2 he -- and then he asked me very openly: Ruben, do
3 you feel crushed when you don't get a project? And --
4 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, shut up.
5 MR. LOPEZ: He did. He did.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Did he say that to you?
7 MR. LOPEZ: He asked me, do you feel crushed
8 when you don't get a project? And I naturally said,
9 oh, William -- Martin, absolutely, I feel like I can't
10 breathe.
11 MS. ROBINSON: I'm sorry. I just found that
12 funny. So the bottomline is he does have a college
13 degree, and, you know, I think he played basketball in
14 college or something. He's just not very bright.
15 He's not very bright.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. No, no.
17 MS. ROBINSON: But what's in it for him is the
18 power that goes with it, you know, like -- talking
19 about psychology, this whole thing they rolled out for
20 two and a half days and made everybody in the company
21 come to, it's supposed to be a revised B-1 process,
22 but all they did was change the name, and, I mean,
23 major elements of it aren't even finished, and it's
24 Martin's project and his baby, and he got to stand
25 there and they praised it, and Tina and the commission
64
1 staff came. And I looked at Dennis Lockard, and I
2 said: Should you guys even be here? I mean, based
3 on the GAO report, do you want to, you know, say
4 you're part of the process, or what? Anyway.
5 MR. LOPEZ: So let me ask you.
6 MS. ROBINSON: The bottomline is --
7 MR. LOPEZ: They're revamping it. What is the
8 aim for revamping the B-1 process?
9 MS. ROBINSON: To make it more fair and
10 transparent, but they haven't involved legal in it,
11 and I'm not so sure -- now Martin is trying to get me
12 to do some ethical situations for the next training,
13 but they made sure that they purposely excluded us,
14 and John told them that, you know. And Dennis and Bob
15 are the brains behind anything that -- that, you know,
16 is a little bit diabolical. Martin is just the fall
17 guy. Let me give you an example.
18 We're now going to implement an alternative
19 dispute resolution system where Dennis will no
20 longer -- you guys will no longer be able to appeal to
21 Dennis. You can appeal to Martin, and Martin can give
22 you, you know, that crazy-assed answer he's going to
23 give you.
25 MS. ROBINSON: But then after that it goes to an

65
1 outside arbitrator. I said, well -- you know, which
2 is clear that they've set Martin up. He doesn't
3 realize he's -- he's a willing fall guy.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: But he doesn't realize that's
6 what's -- what's going on.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: So I said to Dennis, what's the --
9 why would we -- if we're going to have independent
10 people review our decisions, why do we even have
11 Martin in the process? And when they appeal, they
12 appeal -- they get a debrief, so that keeps it a
13 little bit internal, and if they're not happy with the
14 debrief and they decide to -- decide to appeal, then
15 send the whole thing out to the American Arbitration
16 Association and let -- why do you have Martin, you
17 know, being the first level? Do you understand what
18 I'm saying?
20 MS. ROBINSON: Because they always want to keep
21 him -- they always want to keep somebody internally as
22 the fall guy, because if an arbitrator on the outside
23 decides we did blow it, they then can point -- it will
24 be -- it will be Martin's fault.

66
1 MS. ROBINSON: He can't see that because he's not
2 very bright.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Wow. Well --
4 MS. ROBINSON: He's more -- when you talk about
5 psychology, he's all excited about the fact that he
6 still gets to play God with you guys.
8 MS. ROBINSON: That you still have to appeal to
9 him.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Well, great responsibilities incur a
11 larger number of -- how can I say, of guilt.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Well, no. I understand. You and
13 I get it.
15 MS. ROBINSON: But he doesn't get it, and he's
16 just not bright enough to get it.
18 MS. ROBINSON: But he's also mean-spirited and
19 vindictive, you know.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Because some of the stuff he does
22 is just -- you know, he acts under orders, and he
23 takes orders well, and that's why he's in the position
24 he's in.
25 MR. LOPEZ: Right. I mean, like that time when

67
1 he just completely destroyed us in front of CH2M Hill
2 in his own office, you know.
3 MS. ROBINSON: Right, right.
4 MR. LOPEZ: That was very stupid of him.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And now -- see, now that's a --
6 so, okay, to answer your question, now is that
7 something somebody put him up to? No. That's his own
8 stupidity.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Now, they -- they backed him up.
11 They didn't say, Martin, that was a dumb thing, after
12 they put him on the board.
14 MS. ROBINSON: But that's why they like him,
15 because he's determined to, you know, stamp you out,
16 stamp me out, stamp out anybody who's saying, is this
17 stuff really transparent and fair, you guys?
18 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. Do you think Dennis
19 Fields is part of the Bob Turner business? Let me --
20 let me tell you why I'm saying this, because a year
21 ago --
22 MS. ROBINSON: Yes, but I can't -- I can't prove
23 it. That's why I told you I need help.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
25 MS. ROBINSON: Because -- because he started --

68
1 this has a longer history, and he tried to start this
2 ESOP stuff with another company that is a for-profit
3 subcontractor at Fort Bliss. Damn. That's what
4 happens when you get old. I'll think of their name in
5 a minute. And why they have this whole -- not Fort
6 Bliss. Fort Knox. I'm sorry.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
8 MS. ROBINSON: Why they have this whole thing
9 structured the way they have -- I mean, Bob called me
10 in and in essence says, you've got to go, because
11 you're -- you're -- I even heard that you were raining
12 hard on the commission's parade, everybody was at
13 fault. I said, yeah, because this thing is a joke the
14 way you guys got this set up. I said, it's a sham.
15 You've got a for-profit company who was the incumbent
16 who's doing the same TFM shit that they were doing
17 before AbilityOne put this in our program and like you
18 is simply doing the janitorial, but they were doing
19 the janitorial before we got the TFM. Do you
20 understand what I'm saying?
21 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
22 MS. ROBINSON: It just got all packaged together.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
24 MS. ROBINSON: And this is the one that Dennis
25 originally was going to partner up with to do this

69
1 veterans disabled -- what is the name of that company?
2 They're out of Atlanta, starts with a T.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
4 MS. ROBINSON: TTC. You're tried and true, but,
5 no, it's TTC --
6 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
7 MS. ROBINSON: -- is their -- you know, it will
8 come to me in a minute. But the bottomline is and
9 what happened was, John was new and he didn't know, he
10 had no idea he was in bed with crooks, so he started
11 doing some -- Dennis asked him to do some research on
12 the ESOPs and everything, and then John came to me to
13 run it by me. They intentionally gave it to John
14 because they didn't want me, because I would have
15 said, just what I said when John finished all that
16 beautiful research, I said, what does this have to do
17 with AbilityOne?
18 MR. LOPEZ: Um-hmm. Correct.
19 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, really, this is
20 Dennis's retirement plan. And that's what I told you.
21 The whole scheme is you don't find things because they
22 haven't acted upon them yet; they're just positioning
23 things. And so he was going to go run this company,
24 and they were going to spin off a company -- hold on,
25 hold on.
70
1 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
2 MS. ROBINSON: Hang on. Somebody is trying to
3 get my line. Hang on one minute.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
6 * * *
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
71
1 (ZOOM0010.WAV)
2 MS. ROBINSON: People up in the endless greed.
4 MS. ROBINSON: And this thing with Bob Turner and
5 the PRIDE, ServiceSource, and all that is just a
6 little too -- I mean, that one is not complicated
7 enough. I mean, you can figure that one out pretty
8 easily.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
10 MS. ROBINSON: You know what I mean?
11 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, yes.
12 MS. ROBINSON: So I think they're getting sloppy
13 now, although the screening out of potential
14 applicants who could yell, like you and others, by not
15 allowing you to apply is brilliant because there's no
16 light shed on it, even if it's through a small, little
17 appeal.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Of course, of course.
19 MS. ROBINSON: That part is pretty good on their
20 part. That's a -- that's a classic Bob Chamberlin,
21 Jim Barone kind of move.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. Now --
23 MS. ROBINSON: So -- so that's what you're --
24 that's basically what you're looking at. Now, this
25 thing in Puerto Rico, how much money are we talking?

72
1 MR. LOPEZ: I think it's 1.5 million.
2 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So it's sizeable enough to
3 fight over.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, I mean, I have enough --
5 MS. ROBINSON: Well, that was bad on my part.
6 Sorry about that.
7 MR. LOPEZ: That's okay. No. I have enough
8 acquaintances in Puerto Rico, I could run that project
9 with the friends that I have out there alone, just so
10 you know. I do have a --
11 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, that's one of the things Micky
12 said. I said, when you say they don't have a presence
13 in Puerto Rico, how do you know that? He says, well,
14 they just know somebody there, and that doesn't count.
15 MR. LOPEZ: How interesting.
16 MS. ROBINSON: I said, well, why do they need to
17 know anybody there, though? Puerto Rico is not like
18 it's, you know, a foreign country or something. Come
19 on.
21 MS. ROBINSON: It's no different than you
22 applying -- anyway, he said with the government, GSA
23 is insisting that whoever we select that they have a
24 presence in Puerto Rico --
25 MR. LOPEZ: Well, we do.

73
1 MS. ROBINSON: -- already.
2 MR. LOPEZ: We do. They just don't want to see
3 it.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Right, right.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, we do. We do.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I mean, this is just more of
7 them determined they're not going to give you. I
8 mean, based on the big stuff that they're doing right
9 now --
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- this NGA and this other what I
12 call, you know, bases in suitcase thing --
14 MS. ROBINSON: -- that's coming on line, why
15 should they care about you, just giving you all
16 other -- you know, a million-dollar project? I mean,
17 why would they even care?
18 MR. LOPEZ: Well, that's interesting.
21 MS. ROBINSON: It's just -- now it's just
22 testosterone.
24 MS. ROBINSON: It's just meanness,
25 mean-spiritedness at this point.

74
1 MR. LOPEZ: It is. Now, yesterday you mentioned
2 something about GSA in Illinois or something, you
3 wanted to share something with me.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. Yeah. Well, I don't know
5 the problem yet, but when I was out in Chicago getting
6 my award, the next day I went by the NISH
7 Northcentral, because Chris Stream is the craziest
8 person I've ever met in life, but --
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: He's Martin's boy, is what he is,
11 so whatever Martin tells him to do. And the -- when I
12 was leaving, you know, I said, look, you guys
13 realize -- see, every town hall that I have, Ruben,
14 and everywhere I get an audience with these ops
15 people, I say, you realize that we are monitoring
16 contracts and that we signed a settlement agreement,
17 and if you guys are in a -- in a distribution
18 involving Bona Fide and you have not notified legal or
19 if you've notified us or you know they're not going to
20 get it, we need to -- we need to -- we need to
21 oversee, and you need to be able to explain to me why
22 they're not getting it. And so in this case, this
23 guy, not -- not Chris, but ops guy, the employee,
24 is -- I would say just knowing him over the years,
25 he's a fairly straight-shooter, honest kind of guy.

75
1 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
2 MS. ROBINSON: And what he said is GSA is telling
3 us no way they want Bona Fide for the project.
4 MR. LOPEZ: For which project?
5 MS. ROBINSON: And so -- I said, well, why? And
6 it had something to do with "the door," as I call it.
7 I call it "the door." And I said, well, why is
8 GSA saying they don't want Bona Fide? GSA should have
9 enough of bad-mouthing Bona Fide. I said, but maybe
10 the GSA regions -- this is my exact answer to him,
11 because I didn't have a lot of facts.
13 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, and I was on my way out
14 the door, and he said he was going to get them to me
15 this week, and he hasn't yet, but he's been hung up in
16 the same meeting as I have this week.
17 But he said -- I said, maybe the -- maybe the GSA
18 regions aren't talking to each other, I said, because,
19 you know, Pagliarello and some other people are
20 sitting around waiting on sentencing for lying, I
21 said, but in addition, for lying about bad-mouthing
22 Bona Fide, and GSA shouldn't be bad-mouthing Bona
23 Fide. Why don't they -- what is it? And so he said
24 he was going to explain to me what GSA was saying, but
25 it's GSA supposedly that is blocking whatever is going

76
1 on. Tell me what's going on out there.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Nothing that I know of. That's my --
3 that's my -- I'm perplexed. We -- we have one project
4 in downtown Chicago, which is a small one, but that's
5 it. We're not in competition for anything at the
6 moment.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Well, maybe that's supposed to be
8 going away.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, okay.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Have you heard anything maybe the
11 government wants to take that away?
12 MR. LOPEZ: No, we have not heard anything. I
13 mean, we --
14 MS. ROBINSON: Well, from what you've told me,
15 it's not enough money to worry about, right? If it
16 went away, you'd be ahead of the game, or not?
17 MR. LOPEZ: No. I mean, it's not -- it's a small
18 project, but still it's significant to allow us a
19 footprint there in Chicago.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Right.
21 MR. LOPEZ: So we wouldn't -- we wouldn't want to
22 leave Chicago altogether, but I -- I'm wondering, and
23 there's no one in -- Mike Little, who used to be a
24 NISH employee, is the only.
25 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. His name

77
1 came up. They did say -- well, Mike Little left under
2 bad circumstances. I've been -- I've been around long
3 enough to know the Mike Little story, but Mike should
4 be not an advocate of NISH. He should be on your
5 side, if there's going to be a choosing of sides.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Hmm. Who was it that told you? Was
7 it Chris Stream or his --
8 MS. ROBINSON: No. No, no, no. I mean, Chris
9 was standing there, but it was Fred, I want to say.
10 MR. LOPEZ: What is -- what is the --
11 MS. ROBINSON: I think the guy's name is Fred
12 Ashby or something like that.
13 MR. LOPEZ: What is his position?
14 MS. ROBINSON: I'm not sure.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
16 MS. ROBINSON: I'm not sure. I'll have to --
17 I'll have to check it out, but I'll get the facts.
18 They'll get me all the facts.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. Okay. Yeah, we --
20 MS. ROBINSON: But what is Mike Little's role in
21 all of this? He's a GSA person, right?
22 MR. LOPEZ: He's a GSA person in charge of all
23 NISH contracts or now --
24 MS. ROBINSON: He doesn't like the Northcentral
25 region. He got fired from there. I can tell you

78
1 that.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
3 MS. ROBINSON: So he would not be doing anything
4 to help them.
5 MR. LOPEZ: So then we don't know what -- maybe
6 it's not true, Jean. Maybe you know how they --
7 sometimes they throw the government in front to do
8 their bidding. Maybe they --
9 MS. ROBINSON: No. I know, I know. I'll find
10 out the issue, because they weren't clear and there
11 were -- you know, it was the whole town hall. So they
12 gave me some skeptical -- you know, just sketchy, not
13 skeptical, some sketchy facts and said they would get
14 me everything.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. Yeah. We would like to
16 know --
17 MS. ROBINSON: I'll find out, but I know there's
18 certainly some issues around that project.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Okay, okay.
20 MS. ROBINSON: So I will -- I will find out what
21 the plan is or what they're saying, but I do know they
22 were saying it was GSA-motivated. But Chris would do
23 absolutely anything that Martin told him to do, and if
24 it's anything about taking -- I mean, right now
25 Martin's objective is just to pound you into the

79
1 ground.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: You and David.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
5 MS. ROBINSON: In any way that he can, and that's
6 the direction that he has given in staff, and his
7 staff are all the executive directors who make the
8 allocation decisions. So you see how this is working,
9 right?
10 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. No. I did -- I did
11 sense that. I felt that atmosphere.
12 MS. ROBINSON: The only one who might stand up to
13 them, and I can't figure out where he's coming from
14 yet, is Rick VanHughes out in Northcentral. I mean,
15 Northwest.
17 MS. ROBINSON: He doesn't seem to kowtow too much
18 to Martin, Dennis, or any of them.
19 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
20 MS. ROBINSON: I don't know where he's coming
21 from, but, you know, he may be just as much a part of
22 them as anybody else, but then he doesn't seem to be
23 fully co-opted like the rest, and Dave seems to be
24 getting religion, but only because he's fighting with
25 Martin.
80
1 MR. LOPEZ: For the time being.
2 MS. ROBINSON: You understand what I'm saying?
3 MR. LOPEZ: For the time being.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I
5 think the Underhill thing is getting to Dave, because
6 I could never make that connection, but I knew Dave
7 was having conversation with Underhill and that they
8 were buddies and the whole nine yards, but I can't
9 prove it. I mean, some stuff you just can't prove.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, yeah.
11 MS. ROBINSON: You know, and I think that may
12 have slowed him up a little bit, okay?
13 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Because I never forgot when this
15 whole thing hit, when the -- when the OIP came and all
16 that, David was very smug, saying, you know, NISH --
17 it's not NISH who's being investigated, it's GSA, and
18 when I later -- as Carlos and them were threatening
19 and questioning him, I said -- I was on the phone,
20 but -- and Carlos and Valerie were in the room. You
21 know, I was just on the phone, and I said, hey, David,
22 I said, so are you good buddies with these GSA people?
23 Because how is it that -- you remember when this all
24 first occurred, and that's what they try to rely that
25 you'll forget, so much time has gone, I said, when the

81
1 agents came swooping down on my office, you very
2 smugly argued with me for two days, until you got your
3 very own subpoena, that this had nothing to do with
4 NISH and it was all GSA and all of that. And there
5 were a couple little moves that Dave did in that whole
6 thing that I couldn't prove it, like when they did
7 that, I don't know what you call it, but feasibility
8 study or whatever.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
10 MS. ROBINSON: GSA didn't know how to do that. I
11 mean, David told them, this is the way that you can
12 screen out, but yet he was supposed to be fighting for
13 you guys.
15 MS. ROBINSON: So all that stuff I couldn't
16 prove, but David was -- you know, I mean, he's been
17 around NISH forever, so he was telling them what to
18 do, and they were -- and they were -- and they were
19 willing. I mean, they were all kind of doing it
20 together.
22 MS. ROBINSON: But I could never really, you
23 know, prove it. But, anyway, what I said to him, I
24 said, well, what do you -- what do you know about
25 Underhill? And Carlos and Valerie, because I wasn't

82
1 in the room, I was just on the phone, it was this
2 dead silence, and David was like he'd seen a ghost,
3 and then I said, well, because you obviously talked to
4 him when this all first started because you -- you
5 were just too darn sure when the rest of us had no
6 idea that GSA was -- you know, was as guilty or being
7 investigated as well and you weren't worried.
9 MS. ROBINSON: And so he just really froze up and
10 was really quiet, and so I said, um-hmm, okay, now we
11 get this. But -- but I couldn't prove it, we couldn't
12 prove it, so, you know, we just had to just go with
13 it. So the bottomline is he's gotten a little quieter
14 and he's taken his stuff underground. I don't think
15 he's learned his lesson, but he's laying low because
16 he knows that it could be pretty dangerous for him.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And Dennis -- I don't know. Him
19 and Bob -- Bob is -- of that group, Bob is probably
20 the smartest academically.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct. Let me share with
22 you two --
23 MS. ROBINSON: Dennis, I thought was brighter,
24 but he's just a thug. I mean, I just didn't realize
25 how much of a thug he is.

83
1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: But he -- he portrays himself as
3 being one for fairness and justice, but when you watch
4 him work or you watch his actions or you watch him,
5 you know, direct behind the scenes, then you realize
6 he's probably even a bigger thug than Bob and the rest
7 of them, you know.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct. Well --
9 MS. ROBINSON: Because one of the things that's
10 clear to me is that Bob does not understand
11 operations.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
13 MS. ROBINSON: And he has a lot of faith in what
14 Dennis tells him, and Dennis and Martin -- and the
15 reason they are so hot to get me out of there now
16 is -- and I'm not bragging. I'm just being honest
17 with you. I think I understand operations as a result
18 of all these litigations and appeals and what have
19 you. I think I understand it, at least what the rules
20 are supposed to be, even better than Dennis at this
21 point.
23 MS. ROBINSON: Because Dennis doesn't understand
24 it that well, but he's just going to go with whatever.
25 He's relying on Martin, and I tell you, I would never

84
1 rely on someone like Martin if I was involved in this
2 kind of stuff to the extent that these guys are.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Well, but they're relying on him,
5 but they also have him set up to be the fall guy.
7 MS. ROBINSON: So when all the shit hits the fan,
8 he's going to clearly be, you know --
9 MR. LOPEZ: It.
10 MS. ROBINSON: -- in sort of the Underhill
11 position.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Correct. Exactly.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, I do.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Because his name is going to be
16 all over everything.
17 MR. LOPEZ: I understand. Well, let me --
18 MS. ROBINSON: He's the guy who's sustaining the
19 appeals. He's the guy who's assigning the work. He's
20 the guy who's making all the calls.
22 MS. ROBINSON: So one part of me was annoyed that
23 they would not allow me to fix the B-1 so that it is a
24 fair and transparent process, and then another part of
25 me says that's okay, because I'm not sure I want to be

85
1 affiliated with, you know, pretending there's been
2 revisions. You know what I mean.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Which are really not going to --
5 if they're going to keep -- if it's going to be
6 business as usual --
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: -- do I want to be all affiliated
9 with, you know --
10 MR. LOPEZ: Part of it.
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- with NISH, because I gave them
12 a model that could work for these allocations.
14 MS. ROBINSON: And the model was that they would
15 have an allocation department, they'd have four or
16 five people who are really good procurement, have a
17 lot of government procurement background, contracting
18 background. Those four or five people would not
19 interact with staff a whole lot other than to get
20 resource of information. They would not interact with
21 the CRPs, so they wouldn't be in anybody's pocket.
22 You know what I mean?
24 MS. ROBINSON: They wouldn't be beholding to
25 anybody, and they would just run all of our

86
1 competitions.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: And we could do our competitions
4 blindly.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Why do I need to know that it's
7 Bona Fide? All I need to know is -- now, sometimes by
8 process of elimination I might be able to figure it
9 out.
11 MS. ROBINSON: But why do I need to know? All I
12 need to know is this -- I could take the names off of
13 every one of those things --
14 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. I mean, Jean, let me --
15 MS. ROBINSON: -- until after I made my
16 selection. Now, then, you know, at some point you've
17 got to.
19 MS. ROBINSON: But during the evaluation phase
20 why do I need to know which CRP it is?
21 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. No. I agree.
22 MS. ROBINSON: What I need to know is what your
23 capabilities are, what your past performance is, you
24 know, what you say you're going to do and how you're
25 going to handle that project.

87
1 MR. LOPEZ: Right. No, no. Let me ask you --
2 let me share with you some upcoming issues that you
3 are going to -- that are going to come across your
4 desk, okay?
6 MR. LOPEZ: The Alaska project up there in
7 Anchorage, Alaska, the Elmendorf or something base,
8 that we were clearly going to participate in suddenly
9 went off the radar. We're going to inquire as to what
10 happened there. The NGA project near you in Virginia,
11 I think it is, their headquarters, we -- we want to
12 know what's going on. We want to know what happened
13 as well, went off the radar, no explanation.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Now, is this one Tina took off?
15 MR. LOPEZ: I -- I --
16 MS. ROBINSON: What's the explanation that they
17 say?
19 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, what explanation have they
20 given us?
21 MR. LOPEZ: They have not given us other than the
22 government wants to reconvene at a later time. That's
23 it. And the later time hasn't come. Lakeview in
24 MacDill Air Force Base.
25 MS. ROBINSON: Yes.

88
1 MR. LOPEZ: They've been visiting that project --
2 Lakeview -- I did not know that Lakeview had most of
3 the -- of the air -- the base. We, TTTC, is doing the
4 grounds, but ever since I brought the -- I went to
5 visit there personally, and one of their contracting
6 officers said, oh, yeah, NISH was here. And I -- I
7 said, NISH was here? Yeah, they were looking at the
8 project. And I said --
10 MR. LOPEZ: -- may I ask, what in regards? And
11 then his boss said, no, we're not going to discuss
12 that, like he got -- she got scared immediately.
14 MR. LOPEZ: So she knows what's going on.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Something is going on with -- with
17 SourceAmerica and -- and my project in MacDill Air
18 Force Base.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Let me remind -- let me share with
21 you, invite your attention to the fact that a while
22 back Bob Chamberlin personally asked me, how are you
23 doing in MacDill Air Force Base?
24 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, I remember. I remember.
25 And we walled it off, right?

89
1 MR. LOPEZ: Yes. Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: We said we would not say any --
3 yeah, I remember that. I remember.
4 MR. LOPEZ: And there is something that you may
5 not be aware of.
7 MR. LOPEZ: But when -- Dave Dubinsky gave the
8 Department of Homeland Security 18 stations here in
9 San Diego to Job Opps.
11 MR. LOPEZ: And we were the -- we were the
12 subcontractor to the disabled veteran.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. They -- so back then NISH
15 instructed the contracting officer, you can -- you
16 cannot exercise the first-year option and kick him
17 out. The contracting officer said, well, how do I do
18 it? They said, well, kick him out, don't exercise the
19 option, give him a bad rating, and then we --
20 MS. ROBINSON: And -- and David told them this,
21 right?
23 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. That's what I -- yeah,
24 that's what I think he did on a bunch of stuff, but I
25 just can't prove it.

90
1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: Because the customer won't admit
3 it sometimes.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Well, but we -- we have asked for the
5 FOIA.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Which -- which --
8 MS. ROBINSON: But Dave is pretty good about not
9 writing anything down.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. But --
11 MS. ROBINSON: He's pretty good about not leaving
12 any -- any -- and that -- I mean, eventually he will
13 be caught, but he's been pretty darn good in the
14 last -- you know, in the last bit of time in not
15 leaving his fingerprints on anything, and when things
16 come close, you'll find that he has -- he has
17 delegated the dirty work to a staff member --
18 MR. LOPEZ: Gotcha, gotcha. Gotcha.
19 MS. ROBINSON: -- you know, and so that's usually
20 how he operates, which is why I haven't been able to
21 nail him on a lot of things.
22 MR. LOPEZ: I understand. I understand. So how
23 are we going to handle the situation? I mean, you're
24 monitoring this thing that they're going to --
25 MS. ROBINSON: Two things. Your guy in

91
1 Minneapolis, and I didn't call him back yet because
2 I wanted to talk to you first, is he the guy who's
3 going to kind of push your case forward?
4 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And, you know, how trustworthy is
6 he and, you know, talk to me a little bit.
7 MR. LOPEZ: He's good to go. He's a young --
8 young attorney. He's --
10 MR. LOPEZ: He's a very discreet, prudent man.
11 That's why I chose him. He --
12 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. Very good. I just --
13 because -- a couple things. I think, you know, we
14 need to focus specifically on your stuff, but in
15 addition to your stuff, we need to blow the lid off
16 this other stuff so it can open the door up for you to
17 apply for some of these big, nice projects.
19 MS. ROBINSON: Do you understand what I'm saying?
20 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, sure. I mean --
21 MS. ROBINSON: Because you can partner with
22 somebody and there's -- I mean, this is going to be
23 real money and real projects and real opportunity that
24 you guys could play in if they didn't have this silly
25 screening stuff that they've got going on.

92
1 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct. I mean, if the --
2 if the door opened to a semi-normal world, everybody
3 would be working hard and -- and we wouldn't have this
4 abrasive interaction with them.
5 MS. ROBINSON: All I'm trying to do is get it so
6 that the pool is wider than -- or bigger than two
7 CRPs.
9 MS. ROBINSON: That's just not you; that's
10 everybody. I mean, because what you guys can do is,
11 you can partner with people who either have the
12 top-secret or -- you know what I mean?
13 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Like CHM, whatever their name is,
15 they've got top-secret, don't they?
16 MR. LOPEZ: They do. They do. CH2M Hill.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, see, you
18 understand what I'm saying. And so we have to get the
19 system stuff straightened out so that you can at
20 least -- even when you're in the game -- well, we've
21 got two things. Even when you're in the game, they're
22 still managing to screw you, okay?
24 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, I'm putting it bluntly.

93
1 MS. ROBINSON: Bad manners. You're in a crash
2 wreck.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Even when you were in the game,
5 they're working ways around, figuring out how not to
6 give you the projects.
8 MS. ROBINSON: And we have to -- you're the one
9 who's going to have to make a big deal of that, but as
10 you -- it's also a numbers game, and what I mean by
11 that is there's only so many times they can get away
12 with it. At some point it looks bad even to somebody
13 who doesn't know any of us.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Do you understand? It's like,
16 okay, well, so these people aren't qualified for
17 anything now?
19 MS. ROBINSON: So, you know, that's -- that's
20 getting a little obvious now, don't you think?
21 MR. LOPEZ: Yes. Absolutely, absolutely.
22 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, you literally have not
23 gotten anything except for the door in Chicago, right?
24 MR. LOPEZ: What is that "door" that you're
25 talking about?
94
1 MS. ROBINSON: Huh?
2 MR. LOPEZ: "The door." I --
3 MS. ROBINSON: I call it "the door." What I mean
4 by that is it's an abandoned -- you're cleaning off
5 the snow in front of a -- it's a GSA thing, isn't it?
6 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, yeah. Well, we couldn't even get
7 that because it didn't work out. You're right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: I thought you got that.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. No, we didn't.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Well, have you gotten anything
11 since you signed the agreement?
12 MR. LOPEZ: No. Zilch, zero.
13 MS. ROBINSON: And how many have you applied?
14 Well, I think I know most of them, but --
15 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
16 MS. ROBINSON: But just in round numbers, how
17 many have you applied for since then?
18 MR. LOPEZ: I would estimate around ten, ten
19 worthy -- worthy projects.
20 MS. ROBINSON: And in their opinion for just
21 various and sundry reasons you have not been qualified
22 for any of those ten?
24 MS. ROBINSON: That would be their argument.
25 MR. LOPEZ: Exactly, exactly.

95
1 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. And in some instances were
2 there people who may have had certification and other
3 reasons, but they find a reason that you aren't going
4 to get it, right? That's basically --
5 MR. LOPEZ: Well, at the beginning remember with
6 that Fort Hood and with that Denver project, they just
7 didn't have a reason. You were part of that
8 debriefing. They just --
9 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, but when they don't have a
10 reason, then what do they do? They pull it off the --
11 that's the other thing they do, right, they pull it
12 off the procurement list?
14 MS. ROBINSON: It comes out of the program.
15 Nobody gets it. It comes out of the whole damn
16 program.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Exactly, exactly. But like the one
18 in Denver, the one where we debriefed and they just
19 couldn't explain it, remember?
21 MR. LOPEZ: John Scorsini was -- I think that
22 was one of the ones that he debriefed, and they
23 couldn't -- they couldn't explain it. They kept going
24 round, and they just couldn't explain it.
25 MS. ROBINSON: I've got to tell you one more

96
1 thing because this person is out in your area and you
2 probably need to spend some time. I don't know her.
3 I have no trust because I don't know her, but she is
4 a -- she has a Ph.D. in education. Her name is M.J.
5 Willard. One guy tells me that she's just -- she's
6 accusing Peckham of being the next NCED and ReadyOne.
7 And by the way, ReadyOne and NCED, the institute tells
8 me they found some statistics to show that they
9 probably still aren't doing the right thing, and they
10 shared that with Bob and Dennis, and they aren't doing
11 anything about it.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
13 MS. ROBINSON: I haven't made a big deal of it
14 yet because I just found out this week.
15 MR. LOPEZ: What is it they -- who is M.J. --
16 MS. ROBINSON: But -- huh?
17 MR. LOPEZ: Who is M.J. Willard? I mean, how
18 will I get ahold of her?
19 MS. ROBINSON: M.J. Willard is the CEO, executive
20 director, of -- I think she works out of California,
21 but the agency is actually located in Boston.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
23 MS. ROBINSON: But she works out of California.
24 She's got a lot of Congressional contacts. She -- she
25 is arguing -- she's pissed off because she didn't get

97
1 a call center contract. She hires a lot of people
2 with disabilities, a lot of people on the ticket for
3 Social Security. They gave the project to Peckham.
4 It's a huge project. And she says that Peckham is
5 just like the people down in El Paso, the
6 NCED/ReadyOne people, they are not serving people
7 with disabilities, that NISH simply uses its insider
8 influence with the board and being on the board and
9 part of NCSE -- or NCWC and we give him whatever he
10 wants and we know and we've known for years that they
11 really aren't serving people with disabilities, that's
12 all a sham --
14 MS. ROBINSON: -- and that he's just getting all
15 the contracts. He is the program's number one -- I
16 think he's the number one source of revenue. I mean,
17 he's the highest CRP at this point.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Peckham.
19 MS. ROBINSON: In Michigan. She applied for this
20 call center contract. She didn't get it. They gave
21 it to Peckham instead of her.
23 MS. ROBINSON: They told her that they gave it to
24 Peckham because that's what the customer wanted. I
25 guess she went to the customer, and the customer said,

98
1 no, we told them we didn't care, we would take you
2 or them.
4 MS. ROBINSON: So her argument -- sound familiar?
5 So her argument is, why do you guys keep giving these
6 contracts to Peckham when you know they aren't really
7 serving people with disabilities, here's my agency --
8 and I don't know that, you know, she's, you know, pure
9 as the snow or anything, but here's my agency who is
10 serving people with disabilities and you guys won't
11 give us a contract and we think it's wrong, and she's
12 going to -- she's going to show that we know that
13 Peckham is not serving people with disabilities.
14 She's put it on report to the commission. She's put
15 it on report to some Senators, some Congressmen.
16 This goes back about a year, but she brought it
17 all up again now because she didn't get this last
18 contract, and she's saying it's unfair, and she
19 appealed -- appealed it. She appealed it to Dennis.
20 He's going to, of course, sustain the appeal and not
21 overturn it, and she -- I told him not to meet with
22 her last week, but she decided in the middle of the
23 appeal process she was going to meet with Dennis.
25 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, Dennis, don't do that,

99
1 because we don't meet with people in the middle of
2 the appeal process, just, you know, keep it fair.
3 Well, anyway, he met with her anyway in my absence. I
4 was out in Chicago getting my award.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: And so now she's written Tina
7 Ballard directly, I think that came in yesterday,
8 where she said, you know, she's willing to take her
9 whole thing public because she believes that we are
10 simply turning a blind eye to and steadily awarding
11 work to Peckham when we know they're not serving
12 people with disabilities.
13 Her proof that they're not serving people with
14 disabilities is that -- and I don't think this is --
15 this is concrete proof, but it does raise a question,
16 is that, you know, she did all the research on his
17 contracts and hundreds of millions of dollars, and she
18 said he's only got 3 people in his workforce out of
19 1600 or 2,000 people that actually get Social Security
20 disability benefits and, you know, she may be -- if he
21 was truly serving people with disabilities, wouldn't
22 there be more cross-pollination between those who
23 get -- that's her major argument, but she's done a
24 bunch of statistical research on these projects and
25 all of that, and she claims that he's hiring illegal

100
1 immigrants and not really people with disabilities,
2 and we keep holding him up as the -- you know, the
3 great -- the great person in the program, and that's
4 why -- and that the reason we give him all the
5 projects, both products and services, is because of
6 his inside track and because he represents a lot of
7 revenue to NISH in the -- in the fact that he's the
8 number one CRP. Now, that is Martin's boy.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And, you know, Martin has --
11 Martin used to be in Northcentral. Martin has given
12 him a lot of work. Martin has made him who he is.
13 He's somewhere in Michigan. And she's not going to
14 let this die. I mean, they're going to tell her no.
15 Dennis is going to tell her no, and she's going to
16 keep going Congressional, and she wants to blow what
17 she thinks is the lid off an injustice because she
18 thinks that our number one CRP is not really serving
20 So she's coming, and she's coming strong, and
21 she's out in California, and I'm pretty sure she's in
22 touch with the Congressional people there in
23 California, but she's giving the commission and
24 everybody a chance to look into it and do something.
25 She made these accusations a year ago. Justice was

101
1 investigating Peckham a year ago, but I never heard
2 whether they finished, what they found, what they
3 didn't find, based on some of these same
4 allegations --
5 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
6 MS. ROBINSON: -- that they're really not serving
7 people with disabilities. I told our people to go out
8 there and scrub them clean. I said, you know, go out
9 and look in all their files and see if they got the
10 proper documentation. Now, if they make up the files
11 and they lie, I mean, there's not much we can do about
12 that, but go look.
13 And then Bob and those guys -- because that's
14 their boy, he's part of the mafia. So they sent
15 Goli Trump. Legal advised Goli not to sign a
16 nondisclosure. Like she went out there and did a SWAT
17 team audit, and we -- John went on record as advising
18 her not to sign a nondisclosure.
19 Mitch says, you can come and you can audit us,
20 but whatever you find you can't tell anybody, and
21 you've got to sign a nondisclosure. We said,
22 bullshit, if you're out there violating the program
23 rules, we're not signing a nondisclosure because we're
24 going to turn you into the commission or anybody else
25 we need to turn you into. Well, Dennis, Dennis

102
1 Fields, this is why I tell you he's just ridiculous,
2 he and Goli signed the damn thing or he later told
3 Goli to sign it.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, wow.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And I went and jumped on him feet
6 first and said, Dennis, why would you instruct her to
7 sign that and -- and if we find something we can't
8 tell anything? So now here the chickens have come
9 home to roost because here we are a year later where
10 this M.J. Willard is saying the same thing, she's
11 making the same accusations, and we went out there. I
12 don't know what we found, but whatever we found, we're
13 not able -- I mean, technically we're not able to
14 disclose it because she signed it against legal's
15 advice. And, I mean, I don't really care. I'm going
16 to disclose whatever, you know. Mitch knows it.
17 Now, in her letter that she wrote, she mentions
18 the Portco suit, she mentions GAO. She said, look,
19 you people, you know, you're just not right and this
20 whole process is not right and it's not transparent
21 and you guys are cutting me out of work and you're mad
22 because I a year ago said, you know, you're not doing
23 the right thing, I'm going to continue to say that,
24 and I'm going to keep going with this.
25 So she is on the rampage, and she is in your

103
1 area, so my guess is she'll be contacting. Now,
2 David probably can give you a better scoop on her. I
3 don't know her, I've never met her, but I do know that
4 David could probably give you better because she's got
5 David's lawsuit all up in her letter of complaint and
6 in her appeal, so apparently she's talking to David, I
7 would think.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: But that's somebody that's -- but
10 she's -- but she's yet another example of somebody
11 who's saying, you guys got all this insider trading
12 and favoritism going on and you're cutting me out of
13 the -- out of the process by doing it.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And she's going to keep going, and
16 she's pretty well connected with some political types,
17 because the last time she did it a year ago Justice --
18 I mean, she did trigger a Justice investigation of
19 Peckham, at which time Mitch called me, threatened me.
20 He and Martin ganged up on me.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Oh.
22 MS. ROBINSON: And it was -- it was interesting,
23 and I said, I had no idea. He thought I -- he thought
24 I told Justice, because it was right after the board
25 meeting when I told them, you know, the jig was up on

104
1 this conflict of interest and they were going to have
2 to do business differently, and then I guess like
3 three days later Justice was knocking on his door, so
4 he thought -- you know, I had nothing to do with it,
5 you know, but -- but he thought -- and I'd tell you if
6 I did. I mean, I had absolutely nothing to do with
7 it. But I think it was actually -- we found out later
8 it was actually triggered by this M.J. Willard, who
9 must have some pretty good contacts with Senators and
10 Congressmen because they were on it pretty quick.
11 Now, I don't know what they found. I don't know
12 if they settled. I don't know if they're finished. I
13 don't know if they let it go. You know, a Justice
14 investigation can go so slow sometimes.
16 MS. ROBINSON: So I don't know. But that's a
17 problem that's -- that's in the works, but it's yet
18 another example of somebody saying, the system is not
19 fair and let me show you and prove to you why.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And Bob and Dennis -- she said in
22 her letter, she said, you, Dennis Fields, are
23 responsible for the oversight of this process and
24 fairness and you're turning your head and you're part
25 of the problem.
105
2 MS. ROBINSON: So she's pretty strong on where
3 she's coming from. I don't know if she's trying to
4 solicit other CRPs who -- who she feels have been
5 wronged. You know, I don't know.
7 MS. ROBINSON: But that name you should put in
8 the back of your head. The other one that's
9 protesting pretty big is TRDI. I guess there's --
10 they deal -- like a whole bunch of unfair stuff is
11 going on with them as well, and he's probably just
12 getting some transference, quite frankly, because he's
13 Hispanic.
15 MS. ROBINSON: I'm not trying to be funny, but
16 I'm pretty sure that's what's going on, because Dennis
17 and Sally and those guys are really tough on them.
19 MS. ROBINSON: There's a -- there's a black CRP
20 up in Alaska. In fact, they kicked their -- Melphine
21 used to be a board member, she worked for BP, and they
22 kicked her off because she was trying to get these
23 guys to do the right thing, and so --
24 MR. LOPEZ: Kicked her off the board?
25 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, they kicked her off the NISH

106
1 board.
3 MS. ROBINSON: Because she came down hard on Bob
4 Chamberlin and Dennis and some of the rest of them
5 and Elizabeth, and, you know, she pretty much said,
6 stop the bullshit, you guys.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Is she still -- is she still CEO of
8 her CRP?
9 MS. ROBINSON: No, she wasn't the CEO. She
10 was -- she wasn't -- it's her family. It's her father
11 who's ex-military --
13 MS. ROBINSON: -- who got all the projects on his
14 own, not through NISH, but put them in the program.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
16 MS. ROBINSON: So she had a family connection,
17 and they started coming down hard on her family
18 because they were mad with her. You know, that's how
19 those boys -- these boys do.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And so they kicked her off. I
22 mean, she resigned, but they -- they sort of -- you
23 know, they made it so she was going to have to.
24 MR. LOPEZ: What is her name again?
25 MS. ROBINSON: Melphine Evans.

107
1 MR. LOPEZ: What is the -- what is the field?
2 MS. ROBINSON: The CRP up in Alaska?
3 MR. LOPEZ: Uh-huh.
4 MS. ROBINSON: I don't know it. I'll have to
5 find that out. I'll have to find that out.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Melphine Evans.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Anyway, she's out in -- she lives
8 out in California.
10 MS. ROBINSON: She was CFO for BP.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
12 MS. ROBINSON: She's no longer with BP right now,
13 but she's very smart and very knowledgeable about the
14 system, knows that these boys are playing this game.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
16 MS. ROBINSON: But when you said something about
17 Alaska, I just want you to know there is a CRP up
18 there that they -- and Bob has been going to Alaska a
19 lot lately because his daughter is there.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, I know -- I've known about that.
21 Do you think I didn't make the connection?
22 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. That's why he's been there
23 all the time. It's three trips to Alaska for him.
25 MS. ROBINSON: But he's been there a lot lately.

108
1 But so now you're applying for something in Alaska?
2 MR. LOPEZ: We applied, but -- but it went off
3 the radar. It came -- the explanation was the
4 customer decided to -- to find another avenue for
5 acquisition, however we will be getting in touch with
6 you soon.
7 MS. ROBINSON: When did it go off the radar?
8 MR. LOPEZ: Two weeks ago. Two, three weeks ago.
9 MS. ROBINSON: You're kidding, right?
10 MR. LOPEZ: No. I'm serious.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Well, let's see. Bob was on an
12 unexpected vacation for a couple weeks, and I want to
13 say -- was it two weeks ago?
14 MR. LOPEZ: Two weeks.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Well, he was gone when I was gone.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Well, do you have enough contacts
18 to know if he has been dabbling in that or enough for
19 you, or what?
20 MR. LOPEZ: Not at the moment, but I would only
21 imagine. I mean, the honest truth is I've been trying
22 to call the contracting officer, to no avail.
23 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I might be able to help you
24 on that one by getting some inside information from
25 Melphine through her sister, you know, because they're

109
1 up there, they're doing business up there.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
3 MS. ROBINSON: Not all -- not all AbilityOne
4 stuff, and they have some AbilityOne stuff too.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
6 MS. ROBINSON: But limited.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
8 MS. ROBINSON: But they pretty much know what's
9 going on up there.
11 MS. ROBINSON: That's for sure. And where is the
12 project?
13 MR. LOPEZ: Anchorage. Elmendorf. It's the
14 Elmendorf Joint Base.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. I wrote that down. Okay.
16 I'll find out what they know about that --
17 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
18 MS. ROBINSON: -- just in a general -- I won't
19 tell them -- mention your name or anything. I'll just
20 find out.
22 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I'm going to check Bob's
23 calendar too because I'm pretty sure -- I don't know
24 where he went on vacation, but I thought he went to
25 his daughter's.
110
1 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, that's where he went. I know
2 for a fact.
3 MS. ROBINSON: But that's about the timing,
4 though, isn't it?
5 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, it is.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Is that about the time that it
7 came off or --
8 MR. LOPEZ: Shortly thereafter, shortly
9 thereafter.
10 MS. ROBINSON: That's my point.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Yep.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. All right. All right.
13 MR. LOPEZ: All right.
14 MS. ROBINSON: But he's usually not -- he's not
15 that transparent. He's not going to -- he's another
16 one. He's like Dave Dubinsky. They don't leave
17 footprints.
19 MS. ROBINSON: So he wouldn't do it. I mean, he
20 wouldn't do it in a way that we could trace it back to
21 him. He's pretty good like that.
22 MR. LOPEZ: My friends -- my friends at the DEA
23 said something interesting.
24 MS. ROBINSON: What did they say?
25 MR. LOPEZ: They said that with every -- every

111
1 criminal act, the perpetrator leaves at least nine
2 traces that he is not aware of leaving, at least nine.
3 MS. ROBINSON: That's probably true, and the
4 other side of it is the people we're working with are
5 not the brightest people that ever walked the face of
6 the earth. So, you know, I think we give them more
7 credit sometimes than they deserve, but --
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Because they're not very bright.
10 But, okay, I'll look into that, and then there --
11 okay. So I'll look into your projects. I'm going to
12 call Dan Cragg back on Monday, and he's going to lay
13 out for me all of these.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And I think, you know, you've got
16 to start to push a little bit to say, look, guys, it's
17 retaliation. I wouldn't necessarily say they breached
18 the contract. By the way, did you ever get your
19 software?
20 MR. LOPEZ: We're working on it, but they're
21 making it difficult.
23 MR. LOPEZ: We're working on it.
24 MS. ROBINSON: So I wouldn't say they breached
25 the contract, I would -- I mean, the settlement

112
1 agreement. You could say that.
3 MS. ROBINSON: I would just say, no, it's
4 retaliation.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: If you haven't -- ever since you
7 filed and you thought you -- you thought you were
8 setting things aside, I would use that as a timeline.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
10 MS. ROBINSON: But that once they thought that,
11 you know, they had you under an agreement, silence
12 agreement, they haven't done anything since.
14 MS. ROBINSON: They're just retaliating against
15 you.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Absolutely, absolutely.
17 MS. ROBINSON: So, I mean, I think that's --
18 that's the -- you know, the avenue you're going to
19 have to go, but let's see where -- well, you don't
20 have anything else in the hopper, right? Okay.
21 Alaska is gone. So is there anything that's active,
22 Ruben, that we could actually get you?
23 MR. LOPEZ: Nothing, nothing. I mean, Puerto
24 Rico is the latest thing that they have denied us, and
25 they have nothing.

113
1 MS. ROBINSON: You haven't been denied yet, but
2 the only thing that's standing between that is me --
4 MS. ROBINSON: -- and needing the paperwork.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Now, let me ask you, on that one
7 did you guys put in a good proposal and you feel
8 pretty good about it?
9 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, we feel -- we feel good. I
10 mean, if it were a regular contracting officer who was
11 looking at it, we would feel -- we would feel fine.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. Now, is it possible that
13 there is an agency that's right there on the island
14 that applied?
15 MR. LOPEZ: Well, absolutely, absolutely. But is
16 it possible there's an agency with better past
17 performance than us? No. Or better ability to
18 execute projects?
19 MS. ROBINSON: So here's what I'm asking you.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Do you think they -- do you think
22 they gave it to the incumbent? Is the incumbent an
23 AbilityOne person, organization?
24 MR. LOPEZ: I -- I wouldn't know because I don't
25 know yet who it is that they have selected. I don't

114
1 know the name.
2 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. Well, I'll find that out.
3 I'll find that out over the weekend. So let's talk
4 again on Monday, but I'll find that out because
5 they're going to send me all the paperwork.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
7 MS. ROBINSON: So I may have some questions as
8 I read that over the weekend, and if I do, I'll call
9 you.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Please call me anytime.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. All right. Okay.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Have a wonderful evening.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. You too.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Thank you.
15 MS. ROBINSON: All right. Bye-bye.
17 * * *
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
115
1 (ZOOM0014.WAV)
2 MS. ROBINSON: Hello?
3 MR. LOPEZ: Jean, how are you? This is Ruben.
4 MS. ROBINSON: I'm good. How you doing?
5 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, pretty good. It's a little late
6 for you.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. That's why I had to step
8 out. I had to lay down with the little one.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Sorry.
10 MS. ROBINSON: She went late last night.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Oh.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Tomorrow is our early day.
13 Tomorrow is our 5:30 a.m. day.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, no.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, anyway, I
16 want to -- I want to find out when you -- it's
17 interesting. Did you do any research?
18 MR. LOPEZ: Yes. Yes, I did.
20 MR. LOPEZ: It's Corporate Source and YAI.
21 They're one and the same, aren't they?
22 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, they're -- well, no.
23 They're a subsidiary.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
25 MS. ROBINSON: Apparently, YAI is the parent, I

116
1 guess, and Corporate Source, you know, as far as I
2 know. I haven't -- haven't done any research, but
3 that's what I was told, so --
4 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. No. When you look at them on
5 the -- when you Google them, they're -- they appear at
6 times together. YAI --
7 MS. ROBINSON: Is YAI a for-profit or
8 not-for-profit?
9 MR. LOPEZ: It seems to be a, as far as I
10 understand, for-profit, but it's heavily involved in
12 MS. ROBINSON: Did you get your notice yet that
13 you didn't get it?
14 MR. LOPEZ: Not yet, no.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Oh. It should be coming any day.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. Okay.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Any day, any day. So --
18 MR. LOPEZ: Well, we -- we sort of know what the
19 answer will be.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah. That's true. That's
21 very true.
22 MR. LOPEZ: I mean --
23 MS. ROBINSON: Unfortunately.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. We have an issue here with the
25 San Jose Peckham building. I don't know if you know

117
1 about it or if you heard.
2 MS. ROBINSON: No, but I had a call in to Rick to
3 find out about the Alaska thing.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And he did call me back, but I
6 have not spoken to him yet.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, I see.
8 MS. ROBINSON: I'll find that out tomorrow.
9 MR. LOPEZ: And the --
10 MS. ROBINSON: More so tomorrow.
11 MR. LOPEZ: The NGA project out of Spring Hill,
12 Virginia, is their headquarters.
14 MR. LOPEZ: National Geospatial Agency.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah.
16 MR. LOPEZ: That went missing. It just fell off
17 the radar, and no one -- no one knows why.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Did you apply for it?
19 MR. LOPEZ: Well, we were -- yes, we were going
20 to present, and we were ready to present. We had --
21 we were about to buy the tickets and --
22 MS. ROBINSON: You know, I wrote that down that
23 I'm supposed to be checking on both of those. I've
24 got calls into both Rick, who did call me back.
25 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.

118
1 MS. ROBINSON: And Joe -- and Joe did not.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Pagliarulo.
3 MS. ROBINSON: I think he's battling.
4 MR. LOPEZ: The last name is Pagliarulo,
5 Pagliarulo, in your office.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Joe, uh-huh, uh-huh.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Yes. He's the one that keeps --
8 keeps looking --
9 MS. ROBINSON: That's Martin's boy.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Every time I ask him, he looks
11 up at the ceiling, to check, make sure the sky is
12 still blue.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, that's Martin.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Poor boy. I feel bad for this guy.
15 I mean, he feels very uncomfortable.
16 MS. ROBINSON: I don't feel bad for any of these
17 people, but, okay, you can feel bad for them.
18 MR. LOPEZ: I mean, they are --
19 MS. ROBINSON: But the question I have for you,
20 though --
21 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
22 MS. ROBINSON: -- is, you've got enough stuff now
23 that it's time for the agents who have gone silent, or
24 have they just given up on it and they're on to
25 different things, you know? The OIG guys need to rear

119
1 their head.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Well, that may be -- that may be
3 possible. That may be possible and --
4 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, they really need to deal
5 with these conflicts because you're talking about a
6 lot of money here.
8 MS. ROBINSON: A lot of big projects.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Of course. Yeah, you know, it's
10 true, it's true. It becomes -- it's now absurd.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Now, what's nice, though, is that,
12 you know, when they backed off like this, they just
13 get stupid and do stupider stuff.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And there's more stuff, you know.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Yeah. I mean, I know -- I
17 know that you are a woman of -- that reads the Good
18 Book, and I -- you know what I've been thinking about,
19 reflecting recently, and I can't get it out of my
20 mind, that part where the good Lord said, everything
21 that is done in darkness will be seen in the daylight,
22 and everything that's whispered in secret will be
23 preached from the housetops.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah. That's true.
25 MR. LOPEZ: I can't get it out of my mind.

120
1 MS. ROBINSON: I know. Well, but -- but tell --
2 tell the guy upstairs. I keep telling him, you're
3 taking a little long on this, a little long on this
4 one, a little long on this one.
5 MR. LOPEZ: It's true. It's true.
6 MS. ROBINSON: But like I said, the more -- you
7 know, the more you back off of these folks, the
8 crazier they get, so it's not all bad.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, yeah. Well, I --
10 MS. ROBINSON: They were somewhat careful for a
11 while, but now they've gone back to their old crazy
12 ways.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's no way
14 to overcome greed and -- and a, what do you call it,
15 culture of lying when you're used to it for so many
16 years. You can't change overnight. You just can't.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Uh-huh, uh-huh. Well, John is
18 resigning today. There's some letter that he gave. I
19 said, well, if you're going to leave, at least
20 write -- write a letter, you know --
21 MR. LOPEZ: John whom?
22 MS. ROBINSON: -- that will help out -- that will
23 help out those that are here --
25 MS. ROBINSON: -- you know.

121
2 MS. ROBINSON: John Huggins, my -- my guy, my
3 guy.
4 MR. LOPEZ: John Huggins.
6 MR. LOPEZ: He's resigning.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Why?
9 MS. ROBINSON: He said he's had enough, he's had
10 enough.
11 MR. LOPEZ: You're kidding me. Jean, is it
12 because he sees the corruption?
13 MS. ROBINSON: You'll have to ask him that. I --
14 it could be. It's partially that. You know, I don't
15 know. They -- they never liked him, and, you know, he
16 asked the wrong questions, and -- and, you know, he's
17 just tired of their craziness, and -- you know, but
18 it's also just turned him into a completely different
19 person, you know. And I told him, I said, John, I
20 said, you know, your work is not that great, but I --
21 you know, I wouldn't say anything.
23 MS. ROBINSON: But he and Bob just don't see eye
24 to eye. I said, but, you know, you got to make up
25 what you want to do because you're going to destroy

122
1 your career, but -- so he just decided, you know,
2 he's had enough. So he wrote a letter. I haven't
3 read it yet. In fact, I need to download it. He sent
4 it to me tonight, that he's going to give to Bob, I
5 think, tomorrow or the next day. But, you know, John
6 is an interesting -- you know, he's an interesting
7 study as well.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
9 MS. ROBINSON: He's kind of like your Scorsini
10 guy.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
12 MS. ROBINSON: You just don't know what side
13 they're playing on and they try so hard to belong --
15 MS. ROBINSON: -- that, you know, I couldn't
16 trust the guy anymore. I told you -- I think I told
17 you I was to the point where I couldn't trust him, you
18 know.
20 MS. ROBINSON: And I was like, okay, they've won
21 because they've managed to make -- you know, to drive
22 a wedge --
23 MR. LOPEZ: Between.
24 MS. ROBINSON: -- between you and I and Omar and,
25 you know, all of our team. You're drinking the

123
1 Kool-Aid, man. Don't drink the Kool-Aid.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Jonestown all over again.
3 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. Like don't drink the
4 Kool-Aid and, man, don't do me that way. You know,
5 there's a few little things that -- and Dennis is
6 really good at co-opting people. I have to give him
7 credit. They're masterminds at this stuff, man.
8 They're really good at what they do.
9 MR. LOPEZ: You did mention one day that even
10 intelligent people have been bamboozled by these
11 characters.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it doesn't
13 last long. In other words, what Dennis is good at
14 doing is making people think that he's, you know, just
15 being led by Bob and that he's not part of the
16 corruption, etcetera, and then you find out he's like
17 the number one guy. You know what I mean --
19 MS. ROBINSON: -- like he's just as smart and all
20 that. But before he does that, to keep people off of
21 his trail, like he picked John -- he handpicked John
22 to do some assignments because he knew if he picked
23 me -- and I didn't mind that. I mean, it wasn't an
24 ego thing. I've got enough work to do. That wasn't
25 the issue. But I knew -- I knew John was being set

124
1 up, but John didn't know he was being set up, and,
2 you know, it's hard to tell people. It's like his ego
3 was so into being picked. I'm like, they know you
4 don't know this stuff, man, they know they can run it
5 by you.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: They can get it by you. I mean,
8 they had like -- like on the alternate resolution
9 stuff, they had John help write that.
11 MS. ROBINSON: And I said -- you know, because
12 they wanted the standard, and then I jumped in at the
13 end and kind of said, no, no, no, you guys got to
14 change it this way and that way and whatever, and they
15 weren't happy about it. So right now they're just
16 trying to get what they can get out of him so that
17 they can say legal signed off on it, you know.
19 MS. ROBINSON: But what can you say?
20 MR. LOPEZ: Do you think John figured it out and
21 that's why he's --
22 MS. ROBINSON: No, no.
23 MR. LOPEZ: No? Not yet, huh?
24 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, yeah, John knows they're
25 not right. I mean, he knows they're -- yeah, he knows

125
1 they're corrupt. I mean, you know, we know that from
2 when we have to sit and redo or ask them questions or
3 whatever. I mean, no, he's not -- you know, he's not
4 stupid. Yeah, that part he's figured out, but -- you
5 know, and he knows they say one thing and do -- do
6 just the opposite, yeah. No. He's got -- he's got
7 that much figured out --
8 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
9 MS. ROBINSON: -- with no question. The question
10 is what's he going to put in his letter that will
11 expose that.
13 MS. ROBINSON: And so he wasn't going to do a
14 letter, and I said, man, at least -- you know, come
15 on, you're leaving, at least -- you know, I don't care
16 if you're mad at me about this or that, I said, but if
17 you're going to do a -- the least you could do is
18 leave us a letter that, you know, kind of puts some
19 stuff out there.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Right. For --
21 MS. ROBINSON: For the record, for the record
22 and for those of us who are left behind.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct, who have to deal
24 with this corruption.
25 MS. ROBINSON: There you go. That's what I told

126
1 him. I said, that's the least you can do, man.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: So, you know, three days went by,
4 he didn't do anything, and then I guess Omar must have
5 said, yeah, man, you know, she's right, you could at
6 least do that, and so he finally -- and I haven't seen
7 what the letter is, but let's see if we can -- let me
8 grab it real quick, because I've got to figure out --
9 figure out what my kid is wearing to school tomorrow.
10 We're not -- because tomorrow, like I said, is our
11 crack-of-dawn day. Okay. She can wear these. I've
12 got to get her -- got a bunch of stuff balled up here.
13 You can't -- the weather keeps changing, like -- you
14 know, I don't know. We're in between sort of the
15 summer and the winter here -- I mean, and the fall.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Well, you know, we do --
17 MS. ROBINSON: You send them to school, and then,
18 you know, she leaves her jacket, she leaves her
19 sweatshirt, but when she leaves in the morning, she
20 needs all that stuff on.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. Well, we --
22 MS. ROBINSON: But by the time she comes back,
23 you know, she doesn't, so --
24 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. We do --
25 MS. ROBINSON: Anyway, I'm walking to get the --

127
1 MR. LOPEZ: No, no problem.
2 MS. ROBINSON: I'm walking to get the letter.
3 MR. LOPEZ: You know, we work at Peterson Air
4 Force Base. They're in Colorado, and the floods have
5 just destroyed Cheyenne Mountain.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, I thought about Scorsini. I
7 actually thought about calling him to see how he
8 survived it, because -- but is it in his area at all?
9 MR. LOPEZ: No.
10 MS. ROBINSON: He's not in that area, right?
11 MR. LOPEZ: Not in his area, no.
13 MR. LOPEZ: No, no. We're good.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. That's good. Hold on.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Well, maybe John can apply for that
16 position now.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. Right. I'm crazy, but I
18 ain't that crazy.
19 MR. LOPEZ: You'd enjoy that psychological study.
20 That would be a whole -- a whole endeavor, a lifetime
21 endeavor.
22 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, and the reason I didn't jump
23 to read John's letter because, I said, man, before you
24 send the letter, you know, let me read it --

128
1 MS. ROBINSON: -- because you get so emotional,
2 and so -- so he sends it to my NISH e-mail address.
4 MS. ROBINSON: So, yeah, he doesn't want any --
5 he obviously doesn't want any changes, but let's see.
6 He said it was a magnus opum -- opus, and then we were
7 laughing about it, but -- hold on. I'm looking. I'm
8 looking.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Take your time.
10 MS. ROBINSON: (Unintelligible.)
12 MS. ROBINSON: There's a managing partner/general
13 counsel national thing, and they're holding -- this is
14 Congressional Black Caucus week.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And they're -- but they're holding
17 this summit between national general counsel and
18 managing partners at various firms, and it's on the
19 19th. No. Hold on. Where did I put it? Oh, I'm
20 looking in the wrong e-mail. I've got to look in
21 NISH. Hold on. Which is, you know, he wanted -- I
22 mean --
24 MS. ROBINSON: -- there's no point in passing it
25 by me.
129
1 MR. LOPEZ: They'll see it.
2 MS. ROBINSON: Well, of course. I mean, he knows
3 they check all our e-mail.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: That's the kind of stuff that just
6 annoys me, you know.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: Can't you be a little brighter?
9 But, you know, hold on. I've got to get my little
10 NISH password in. Let's see what this letter looks
11 like. Okay. Chamberlin letter. "Jean, Please see
12 attached below. Note that I want to send to Bob
13 Chamberlin tomorrow morning. Thanks." Okay.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Well, he's already sent it.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Well, that's the kind of
16 carelessness, though, that was killing us.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Do you know what I mean?
19 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Give them the bullet. And he
21 sends it from his gmail.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
23 MS. ROBINSON: But he sends it to my NISH
24 account.
25 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, beautiful.

130
1 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, it just -- so now, you
2 know, I don't want to have any trails on it, you know.
3 Okay. "Dear Bob, After much thought and reflection, I
4 have concluded that I can no longer serve as counsel
5 to SourceAmerica. As a result, I hereby tender my
6 resignation as associate general counsel effective
7 September 30th. Upon joining SourceAmerica in
8 January" -- oh, hold on -- "in January of 2012, I
9 committed myself" --
10 MR. LOPEZ: I hear my baby. One second. One
11 second.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. Go ahead, go ahead.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Didn't want to go to bed, but they
14 have school tomorrow early.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Yes. That's why I'm reading
16 softly.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Sorry. Go ahead.
18 MS. ROBINSON: I understand that.
19 "Upon joining SourceAmerica in January of 2012,
20 I committed myself to my responsibilities and
21 endeavored to work with all individuals across all
22 functions in support of the legal department." So,
23 no, for the -- "I approached my responsibilities with
24 enthusiasm and dedication to the organization's stated
25 mission of creating employment opportunities for

131
1 people with significant disabilities. Within a short
2 time, however, I learned that protecting the
3 privileged few within positions of leadership, even
4 when such protection has the potential to discredit
5 the organization and expose it to risk and liability,
6 and the use of personal attacks against individuals
7 who are disfavored are not only quotidian" -- that's
8 the other thing he likes to do. He likes to use words
9 to show he's a smart guy.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Instead of just saying everyday
12 practices, but he said "quotidian."
14 MS. ROBINSON: But are encouraged. "The manner
15 in which the legal department's work is viewed has
16 also contributed to my decision to resign. I have
17 spoken personally to Jean Robinson, general counsel,
18 regarding my dissatisfaction with the inefficiencies
19 within the legal department." Oh, good, he kind of
20 gets me there. "I suggest that you speak with Jean
21 directly regarding the concerns that I have expressed
22 to her relative to the legal department. I have
23 directed" -- I like his loyalty. "I have directed
24 this letter to you personally because of your position
25 as president and CEO of this organization and the role

132
1 that you have played both directly and indirectly in
2 my decision to resign. Your seeming" -- "your seeming
3 reluctance" -- let's see. "Your seeming reluctance to
4 reinforce among your staff the need for cooperation
5 and the importance of entrusting to the legal
6 department the responsibility for all things legal has
7 placed me in an untenable position and rendered me
8 unable to represent the corporation effectively.
9 Stated simply, Bob, the culture of distrust and
10 unwillingness among your staff and you to engage us at
11 the appropriate time, if at all, and present the facts
12 to us when issues arise is not only frustrating, it
13 impairs our ability to function effectively in our
14 legal" -- "in our role as legal counsel." He's got a
15 bunch of footnotes here, but I'll have to go back and
16 read those.
17 MR. LOPEZ: He's right.
18 MS. ROBINSON: That's been a problem with him.
19 He can't just write a -- "I hope that you will discuss
20 the matter of my resignation with Jean Robinson and
21 members of the board of directors. Should you wish to
22 discuss the matter with me personally, you may reach
23 me at 4561. All my regards." Oh, that doesn't help
24 us any.
25 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.

133
1 MS. ROBINSON: That letter doesn't help us any.
2 Let me -- let's see what his -- let me see what the
3 footnotes are. Maybe they're better.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
5 MS. ROBINSON: But if it's in a footnote, I mean,
6 how helpful is that?
7 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
8 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. See what I mean?
9 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. It's half-baked.
10 MS. ROBINSON: "Examples of the matters to which
11 I refer to as follows: The legal department
12 investigation." This guy, his ego is just incredible.
13 "Examples of the matters to which I refer as follows:
14 The legal department investigation of Stephanie Capps,
15 director of human resources, in a complaint made by a
16 former employee. The former employee alleged, among
17 other things, that Ms. Capps was involved in a sexual
18 relationship with Joe Beltran, a former employee.
19 Omar Perez and I" conducted -- no, "concluded our
20 investigation over a year ago and based on our
21 findings recommended, among other things, that
22 Ms. Capps receive a letter of reprimand. To the best
23 of my knowledge, no such letter has ever been issued.
24 Moreover, I understand now that after Ms. Capps'
25 appeal of our recommended discipline directly to you,

134
1 you have taken the position that no such letter will
2 be issued."
3 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Ms. Capps' behavior was raised by
5 opposing counsel, but he wasn't there, so -- Paula
6 Scanlon's. Okay. So the stuff that he has in the
7 footnotes is designed to help not me or not Omar or
8 not anybody. "Numerous discussions from Dennis Fields
9 regarding Matt Bates, VP of human resources, and his
10 lack of basic knowledge with regard to human
11 resources, and investigation of routine employee
12 complaints, Paula Scanlon's purchase of the domain
13 name."
14 Let me see what he says about Goli Trump. Yeah,
15 he doesn't have anything in here about the real
16 issues, I mean, you know, the real corruption or
17 anything. Let's see what he's got.
18 "In Goli Trump's visit to Petco in June of 2012
19 and her instruction to execute a nondisclosure in
20 favor of Petco and against SourceAmerica's corporate
21 interests notwithstanding my instructions to her.
22 SourceAmerica is at risk due to B-1 allocation to deal
23 with the terms of" -- this letter just proves exactly
24 that he doesn't really know what -- you know, it's
25 going to make Bob's point, but let's see.

135
1 "In May of last year, approximately four months
2 into my tenure, I became the target of such malicious
3 attacks by, of all people, you. As you will recall,
4 you mentioned to Jean Robinson, general counsel, that
5 the manner in which I walked seemed aggressive and the
6 way in which I took notes during your expanded staff
7 meeting appeared threatening. You also expressed to
8 me directly at one of your meetings that I have had
9 with you personally during my 18 months your
10 disapproval of my body language at an expanded staff
11 meeting because it suggested ambivalence. I must
12 admit both to this day I cannot understand the
13 (unintelligible) of your comment. The last thing, I
14 was informed by Dennis Fields that (unintelligible)
15 and that my relationship with Mr. Perry renders" --
16 well, so far I haven't come across anything that's
17 worth talking about.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Okay.
19 MS. ROBINSON: The investigation wrap-up of Jeff
20 Fountain's ethics complaint for retaliation
21 (unintelligible). One example of (unintelligible) --
22 yeah, I don't -- I don't see anything there that would
23 cause Bob any heartburn or cause him any conflict.
24 (Unintelligible) involved the discipline -- for
25 example, he doesn't mention anything about you guys,

136
1 Portco, the major -- what I'm calling the major
2 issues, the GAO.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Nothing. Nothing, huh?
4 MS. ROBINSON: No. It's all little -- little
5 bullshit.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Has he told you personally that he
7 sees that this is not a -- that they're not doing what
8 is correct about ours, Bona Fide's?
9 MS. ROBINSON: I wouldn't trust this guy any
10 further than I can see him. (Unintelligible.) Nah,
11 it's all -- yeah, I don't -- I don't see any --
12 anything here worth -- no, that would be useful in the
13 bigger scheme of things.
15 MS. ROBINSON: In the real juice.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah. No.
18 (Unintelligible). "I have spoken personally to Jean
19 Robinson, general counsel, regarding my
20 dissatisfaction with the inefficiencies within the
21 legal department. I suggest that you speak with Jean
22 directly with" -- that's kind of a copping out --
23 "regarding the things that I expressed to her relative
24 to the legal department." And that's actually a hit
25 at me, which I will tell him.

137
1 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
2 MS. ROBINSON: (Unintelligible). Okay. Well,
3 I'm his direct supervisor, so he should be resigning
4 to me, and if he really wasn't going to do anything to
5 Bob -- there's nothing in here that would be
6 problematic to Bob. I mean, (unintelligible)
7 employee, you know, a little crazy stuff, but nothing
8 of substance.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Of substance.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Huh-uh.
11 MR. LOPEZ: So he's not coming back, is he?
12 MS. ROBINSON: So the question -- well, no. He's
13 coming back. I mean, this is for September 30th, but
14 what he doesn't know is the minute he gives this to
15 Bob, they're going to put him out the door.
17 MS. ROBINSON: They're going to say, here, here's
18 your two weeks, we don't need this guy around.
20 MS. ROBINSON: But I will deal with him tomorrow
21 morning. I'll say, John, so what are you trying to
22 do, slam me on your way out, man?
24 MS. ROBINSON: You know, but -- and it's -- and
25 it's in there now. In other words, he's already sent

138
1 it to me, so any changes now will look as if --
2 MR. LOPEZ: You guys discussed it.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, that you guys discussed it and
5 opted for changes.
6 MS. ROBINSON: I don't care what he does. He can
7 do -- he can do whatever he wants to.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Yeah, it's too late.
9 MS. ROBINSON: But, you know, what annoys me in
10 this, Ruben, is that the only thing that's been
11 standing between him and the door for the last year is
12 me.
14 MS. ROBINSON: You know, I mean, I told you way
15 back around Christmastime when Bob ordered me fire the
16 guy immediately.
17 MR. LOPEZ: I remember that. I do.
18 MS. ROBINSON: You know, and the major issues
19 around PRIDE, around, you know, the things that are
20 actionable legal -- legally in terms of showing the
21 steering of contracts and that kind of stuff, why
22 wouldn't he mention that?
24 MS. ROBINSON: He didn't have any of that in
25 there. So maybe he doesn't get it. I don't know.

139
1 Maybe he doesn't see the issues. I don't know, you
2 know.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. I would -- that's what I
4 think. He probably doesn't see through it, but --
5 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, could be, could be.
6 MR. LOPEZ: But, then again, he's just been there
7 for what, a year, a year and a half?
8 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah, but he's been involved
9 in some major kind of stuff. I mean, you know, he's
10 talked -- you know, I mean, he's been involved with
11 Carlos and the OIG investigation, you know what I
12 mean, enough for him to see what the issues are.
13 I mean, why wouldn't he mention this very last
14 big conflict of interest where they have him working
15 on this whole e-waste where Jim Gibbons where said all
16 the right things, but when these guys are starting
17 this 7-million-dollar project and voting the deficit
18 budget so they can give the stuff to themselves
19 without even a business plan? You know, there's a lot
20 of legal kind of stuff that -- that --
21 MR. LOPEZ: He could have spoken to.
22 MS. ROBINSON: No, but I mean major stuff. I
23 mean, or he could have just spoken to the fact that
24 he's been involved in monitoring your stuff, Portco's
25 stuff, and other CRPs on the allocation process and

140
1 crafting letters back. I guess he doesn't -- I guess
2 he doesn't agree.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
4 MS. ROBINSON: I guess he thinks -- you know,
5 because like, for example, on this last one, he was
6 like, well, you know, I just don't think that Bona
7 Fide should have gotten it because their proposal was
8 really bad, you know. So they -- they co-opted him on
9 some stuff.
11 MS. ROBINSON: And he just can't -- he isn't
12 bright enough to -- to see it, you know.
14 MS. ROBINSON: I'm not saying that everything you
15 do or everything I do is right. I'm just saying to
16 you that, you know, he sort of doesn't see the forest
17 for the trees or however that saying goes.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct. No.
19 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. I mean, you might as well
20 just -- and he took all weekend to write that.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
22 MS. ROBINSON: You know, and that would have been
23 my big issue with him is that, you know, he's turned
24 in some stuff that just has been shoddy work, and what
25 has been bad for me is that it's allowed some of the

141
1 injustices to continue. For example, when they're
2 targeting employees who are bringing up stuff or
3 whatever and they put him on the investigation, just
4 like a couple times, you know, I entrusted the
5 monitoring, for example --
6 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
7 MS. ROBINSON: -- of your allocations and stuff.
8 I mean, that's -- I can't do them all, you know.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And, you know, he wasn't able to
11 see or ask the right pointed questions or anything,
12 you know.
14 MS. ROBINSON: So he just doesn't -- yeah. I
15 don't know. But it is what it is, and, you know, that
16 won't be no -- no great loss to me. It will just be
17 one less -- one less person they can use to, you know,
18 try drive me up a tree.
19 MR. LOPEZ: I know. I know. I know.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Well, maybe with any degree of
22 success you can find someone that will be honest. I
23 hope.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Well, someone -- you know what
25 would be nice is that -- you know, I'm figuring --

142
1 okay, let me just tell you how this works. I have a
2 contract, and the way it generally works, and they've
3 already started it, is I think my contract has a
4 three-month notice that they're not -- my contract
5 ends at the end of the year.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Oh-oh.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Okay?
8 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
9 MS. ROBINSON: So -- so they need to give me
10 notice by October.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
12 MS. ROBINSON: And knowing John, I mean, this may
13 even be part of his -- because, you know, he may be
14 trying to actually help them. But in any event, they
15 have to give me notice by October, and Dennis is
16 starting his, what's the word I'm looking for,
17 distancing.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
19 MS. ROBINSON: He can't look me in the face. You
20 know, he can't -- you know, that kind of stuff.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, body language.
22 MS. ROBINSON: And they're trying to get out
23 all the -- he and Martin -- and Martin comes and sits
24 and looks at me, you know, because he can't -- have
25 they told me yet, have they told me yet. So they've

143
1 got to give me written notice by October 1.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
3 MS. ROBINSON: And so they'll do that. I mean,
4 they'll do that and say they're not renewing.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
6 MS. ROBINSON: And we'll go from there.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: And so John is just trying to get
9 out, I think, prior to that. He knows that -- you
10 know, they weren't able to co-opt him enough or when
11 he was -- when he was honest and when he -- you know,
12 when he first started, he could see the nonsense, and
13 what he couldn't see, Carlos and Valerie and those
14 guys could see it much quicker and point it out to
15 him. You know, then he got it. I mean, he got, for
16 example, that we drafted -- we spent three or four
17 days drafting a letter that Bob should have sent to
18 PRIDE so that they didn't get this last big project,
19 you know, because they should have been out of the
20 game. We should have been recommending that they go
21 out of the game.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
23 MS. ROBINSON: And --
24 MR. LOPEZ: You mean out of the program.
25 MS. ROBINSON: And he knows -- yeah, yeah. Oh,

144
1 absolutely. We should have been recommending that.
2 But that's why I said that the bottomline is that, you
3 know, I don't know if these guys just don't believe
4 us. When I say "these guys," I mean the OIG agents
5 just don't believe us, or if we did our work so well
6 that they have confidence, I mean, you know, that
7 everything is cool.
8 Now, they know that we settled with you, and I
9 guess they're just waiting to see if we're going to
10 abide or if -- or if your claims of, you know,
11 retaliation or the fact that you haven't gotten
12 anything sent are really real or are we -- you know
13 what happens is, it's so incredulous and it's so
14 much --
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
145
1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
2
STATE OF MINNESOTA
3
COUNTY OF SCOTT
4
5 Be it known that I transcribed the foregoing four
6 audio recordings from audio links e-mailed to me by
7 Daniel Cragg, Attorney;
8 That the foregoing transcript is a true and
9 correct transcript done to the best of my ability and
10 subject to the provisions of the "Notes" listed on
11 page 2 of this transcript;
12 That I am not related to nor an employee of any
13 of the parties hereto, nor a relative or employee of
14 any party or counsel employed by the parties hereto,
15 nor interested in the outcome of any action related
16 hereto.
17
18
19 WITNESS MY HAND AND SEAL this 26th day of
20 September 2013.
21
22
23 _____________________________
24 Rhonda Olynyk
Notary Public, Scott County
25
1
$ 31:5, 31:13, 139:17 actions [1] - 83:4 ain't [3] - 35:21, 11:12, 13:17, 16:15,
71-114 [1] - 1:11 active [1] - 112:21 60:11, 127:18 20:20, 25:6, 33:6,
$60,000 [1] - 36:6 7:00 [3] - 8:6, 8:9, acts [1] - 66:22 Air [4] - 87:24, 88:17, 34:19, 35:18, 40:11,
8:10 add [1] - 11:8 88:23, 127:3 43:10, 50:14, 59:5,
1 7:30 [1] - 8:10 addition [3] - 55:7, air [1] - 88:3 64:4, 72:22, 81:23,
75:21, 91:15 Alaska [10] - 87:6, 99:3, 107:7, 115:15,
1 [1] - 143:1
8 address [1] - 128:2 87:7, 105:20, 107:2, 126:25
1.5 [1] - 72:1 admit [2] - 90:2, 107:17, 107:18, apparent [1] - 33:24
10 [2] - 32:4, 32:8 8:00 [5] - 3:5, 3:14, 135:12 107:23, 108:1, appeal [12] - 64:20,
105 [1] - 9:6 8:9, 35:13, 35:15 advertise [2] - 39:17, 112:21, 117:3 64:21, 65:11, 65:12,
10:00 [3] - 8:4, 8:7, 39:18 all-day [1] - 35:11 65:14, 66:8, 71:17,
8:9 9 advertised [2] - allegations [1] - 98:20, 98:23, 99:2,
10:30 [2] - 8:8 40:13, 49:12 101:4 103:6, 133:25
115-144 [1] - 1:12 9-70 [1] - 1:10 alleged [2] - 7:1, appealed [3] - 98:19
advice [4] - 24:16,
1600 [1] - 99:19 9:00 [1] - 8:9 133:16 appeals [2] - 83:18,
27:13, 27:14, 102:15
18 [2] - 89:8, 135:9 advise [1] - 27:18 allegedly [2] - 15:24, 84:19
19th [1] - 128:19 A advised [1] - 101:15 15:25 appear [1] - 116:5
advising [1] - 101:17 allocation [5] - 5:2, appeared [1] - 135:7
a.m [1] - 115:13
2 abandoned [2] -
advisor [4] - 14:11, 79:8, 85:15, 134:22, applicants [1] -
17:9, 18:14, 22:13 139:25 71:14
2 [1] - 145:11 6:20, 94:4
advocate [1] - 77:4 allocations [2] - applied [10] - 7:5,
2,000 [1] - 99:19 abide [1] - 144:10
affiliated [2] - 85:1, 85:12, 141:7 39:16, 40:14, 48:21,
20 [1] - 32:8 ability [3] - 113:17,
85:8 allow [2] - 76:18, 50:21, 94:13, 94:17,
2012 [3] - 130:8, 132:13, 145:9
affiliates [1] - 33:17 84:23 97:19, 108:2, 113:14
130:19, 134:18 AbilityOne [10] -
affiliation [3] - 29:15, allowed [1] - 140:25 apply [16] - 43:10,
2013 [1] - 145:20 21:16, 22:6, 22:20,
45:5, 45:7 allowing [1] - 71:15 44:17, 46:17, 47:14,
26th [1] - 145:19 30:17, 43:22, 68:17,
African [1] - 46:3 almost [1] - 57:4 47:16, 48:1, 48:14,
28th [1] - 12:9 69:17, 109:3, 109:4,
African-American alone [1] - 72:9 52:7, 52:16, 52:18,
113:23
[1] - 46:3 alternate [1] - 124:8 56:25, 71:15, 91:17,
able [10] - 44:16,
3 64:20, 74:21, 86:8, agencies [2] - 40:20, alternative [1] - 117:18, 127:15
53:23 64:18 applying [2] - 72:22,
3 [1] - 99:18 90:20, 102:13,
agency [6] - 59:17, altogether [1] - 108:1
3-8 [1] - 1:9 108:23, 141:10,
96:21, 98:7, 98:9, 76:22 appointment [1] -
30th [2] - 130:7, 143:10
113:13, 113:16 ambivalence [1] - 3:25
137:13 abrasive [1] - 92:4
Agency [1] - 117:14 135:11 appointments [1] -
35 [2] - 32:14, 33:1 absence [1] - 99:3
agenda [6] - 21:12, American [3] - 19:18, 20:11
absolutely [14] - 6:5,
28:24, 29:4, 29:13, 46:3, 65:15 approach [3] - 48:16,
48:11, 58:7, 63:9,
4 34:20, 35:23 amount [1] - 47:9 48:18, 48:20
78:23, 93:21, 104:6,
agents [3] - 81:1, Anchorage [2] - approached [1] -
4561 [1] - 132:23 112:16, 113:15, 144:1
118:23, 144:4 87:7, 109:13 130:23
abstained [2] - 34:2,
aggressive [1] - AND [1] - 145:19 appropriate [1] -
5 34:5
135:5 anniversary [1] - 132:11
absurd [1] - 119:10
aging [1] - 12:22 11:16 approve [1] - 31:12
500 [1] - 44:11 AC [1] - 9:10
ago [13] - 14:11, announce [1] - 28:5 Arbitration [1] -
500-million-dollar academically [1] -
18:3, 18:10, 32:11, annoyed [1] - 84:22 65:15
[1] - 43:16 82:20
67:21, 100:25, 101:1, annoys [2] - 129:6, arbitrator [2] - 65:1,
5:00 [1] - 3:14 access [1] - 20:10
102:22, 103:17, 138:9 65:22
5:30 [3] - 3:6, 8:1, account [1] - 129:24
108:8, 108:13, 133:20 answer [11] - 26:1, area [6] - 28:7, 96:1,
115:13 accusations [2] -
agree [2] - 86:21, 43:2, 50:2, 50:25, 103:1, 127:8, 127:10,
100:25, 102:11 127:11
140:2 56:15, 56:16, 56:19,
6 accusing [1] - 96:6
64:22, 67:6, 75:10, argued [1] - 81:2
acquaintances [1] - agreeing [1] - 25:17
60,000 [1] - 26:19 agreement [6] - 116:19 arguing [1] - 96:25
72:8
6:00 [1] - 38:19 56:12, 74:16, 94:11, anti [1] - 14:24 argument [4] -
acquisition [1] - 94:24, 98:4, 98:5,
6:15 [3] - 39:12, 42:5, 112:1, 112:11, 112:12 anti-Jean [1] - 14:24
108:5 99:23
42:25 ahead [8] - 7:16, anxious [3] - 57:20,
act [1] - 111:1 arise [1] - 132:12
27:22, 47:3, 53:7, 57:21
acted [1] - 69:22 articulate [1] - 23:1
7 action [1] - 145:15
76:16, 130:12, 130:17 anytime [2] - 8:10,
Ashby [1] - 77:12
ahold [1] - 96:18 114:10
actionable [1] - aside [1] - 112:8
7 [1] - 31:16 Aid [3] - 123:1, 123:4 anyway [25] - 3:10,
138:20
7-million-dollar [3] - aim [1] - 64:8 4:19, 4:21, 4:24, 6:1, asleep [2] - 23:11,
2
38:15 130:10 beholding [1] - 85:24 15:6, 17:5, 22:12, Book [1] - 119:18
ass [2] - 42:17, 49:4 backed [3] - 25:5, believes [1] - 99:9 23:22, 25:2, 25:21, boss [3] - 36:10,
assassin [1] - 28:4 67:10, 119:12 belong [1] - 122:13 28:22, 29:8, 30:25, 62:13, 88:11
assassinate [2] - background [2] - below [1] - 129:12 31:4, 31:6, 31:12, Boston [1] - 96:21
13:24, 18:14 85:17, 85:18 Beltran [1] - 133:18 31:24, 33:13, 33:14, bothered [7] - 35:20,
assed [1] - 64:22 bad [17] - 9:9, 10:23, benefit [1] - 53:22 34:14, 34:21, 37:2, 35:21, 35:22, 36:23,
assign [1] - 19:24 34:23, 72:5, 75:9, benefits [1] - 99:20 37:17, 37:18, 53:12, 37:8, 52:6
assigning [1] - 84:19 75:21, 75:22, 77:2, best [9] - 14:9, 53:23, 53:24, 55:4, bottomline [10] -
assignments [1] - 89:19, 93:1, 93:12, 16:23, 16:25, 18:17, 55:5, 55:8, 58:11, 10:5, 35:18, 45:7,
123:22 118:14, 118:16, 32:20, 37:18, 60:18, 67:12, 97:8, 103:24, 57:25, 59:6, 63:12,
associate [1] - 130:6 118:17, 120:8, 140:8, 133:22, 145:9 105:21, 105:24, 64:6, 69:8, 82:13,
associated [2] - 140:25 better [10] - 17:18, 106:1, 132:21 144:2
16:4, 46:13 bad-mouthing [3] - 29:24, 42:10, 51:20, boards [1] - 53:24 boy [8] - 14:4, 24:13,
Association [1] - 75:9, 75:21, 75:22 83:20, 103:2, 103:4, Bob [105] - 4:12, 6:7, 33:19, 74:10, 100:8,
65:16 baked [1] - 133:9 113:16, 113:17, 133:3 6:13, 11:19, 13:18, 101:14, 118:9, 118:14
assume [2] - 62:6, balance [1] - 12:21 between [9] - 8:7, 14:9, 16:17, 16:18, boys [6] - 13:10,
62:11 Ballard [5] - 3:17, 54:10, 99:22, 113:2, 16:19, 16:20, 16:22, 31:18, 53:7, 106:19,
Atlanta [1] - 69:2 4:13, 58:6, 99:7 122:23, 122:24, 18:4, 18:5, 18:15, 107:14
atmosphere [1] - balled [1] - 126:12 126:14, 128:17, 21:3, 21:8, 21:24, BP [3] - 105:21,
79:11 bamboozled [1] - 138:11 22:8, 22:9, 22:11, 107:10, 107:12
attached [2] - 15:18, 123:10 beyond [1] - 12:13 22:24, 23:5, 23:9, bragging [1] - 83:16
129:12 barely [1] - 11:20 bid [1] - 5:12 23:13, 23:16, 23:17, brains [1] - 64:15
attacks [2] - 131:6, Barone [12] - 6:9, bidding [2] - 53:14, 23:20, 24:7, 24:8, breached [3] - 34:16,
135:3 6:13, 14:10, 14:20, 78:8 24:13, 25:8, 27:8, 111:17, 111:24
16:23, 18:16, 19:4, big [29] - 5:24, 6:1, 28:9, 28:10, 28:12, breathe [1] - 63:10
attention [3] - 37:24,
27:8, 33:20, 45:2, 12:2, 15:7, 24:1, 42:9, 28:22, 29:5, 29:13, brief [1] - 21:22
56:21, 88:21
58:2, 71:21 42:11, 42:12, 42:14, 29:15, 30:7, 30:11, briefcase [1] - 28:1
attorney [1] - 91:8
Barone's [2] - 14:20, 42:15, 44:2, 45:13, 34:22, 34:24, 35:1, bright [8] - 23:20,
Attorney [2] - 2:3,
16:25 49:4, 49:20, 54:3, 35:12, 35:19, 35:20, 54:15, 63:14, 63:15,
145:7
Base [5] - 87:24, 54:16, 61:4, 73:8, 35:21, 35:22, 35:24, 66:2, 66:16, 111:9,
audience [1] - 74:14
88:18, 88:23, 109:14, 91:17, 93:9, 96:13, 36:4, 36:9, 36:15, 140:12
AUDIO [1] - 1:5
127:4 105:9, 119:8, 139:14, 36:16, 36:21, 36:22,
audio [7] - 2:3, 8:16, brighter [2] - 82:23,
base [3] - 43:17, 140:23, 143:18 37:15, 37:23, 38:11,
70:5, 114:16, 144:15, 129:8
87:7, 88:3 bigger [4] - 14:19, 39:6, 41:16, 41:22,
145:6 brightest [2] - 21:20,
based [6] - 29:7, 83:6, 92:6, 136:13 42:17, 42:24, 45:2,
audit [9] - 15:10, 111:5
40:1, 64:2, 73:8, 45:3, 45:17, 51:3,
15:18, 18:12, 18:13, bit [16] - 10:22, brilliant [4] - 48:19,
101:3, 133:20 51:5, 51:12, 55:15,
22:11, 24:25, 29:6, 13:17, 29:21, 30:6, 56:18, 57:1, 71:15
58:2, 62:6, 64:14,
101:17, 101:19 bases [3] - 43:24, 30:9, 33:23, 38:21, bring [4] - 17:8,
67:19, 68:9, 71:4,
auditor [1] - 19:25 43:25, 73:12 40:6, 49:19, 52:14, 17:10, 34:13
71:20, 82:19, 83:6,
auditors [4] - 3:19, basic [1] - 134:10 64:16, 65:13, 80:12, bringing [1] - 141:2
83:10, 88:22, 96:10,
4:14, 4:17 basketball [1] - 90:14, 91:6, 111:16 brings [1] - 14:20
101:13, 104:21,
avail [1] - 108:22 63:13 bitching [1] - 45:1 brother [1] - 17:4
106:3, 107:18,
avenue [2] - 108:4, Bates [1] - 134:9 Black [1] - 128:14 brought [5] - 16:10,
108:11, 121:23,
112:18 battling [1] - 118:3 black [4] - 19:15, 17:25, 37:23, 88:4,
122:4, 123:15,
award [7] - 7:17, beat [1] - 25:1 21:11, 22:25, 105:19 98:16
129:12, 130:3, 132:9,
11:9, 12:9, 13:18, beating [1] - 5:8 blah [6] - 39:13, 61:1 buddies [2] - 80:8,
135:23, 137:5, 137:6,
60:11, 74:6, 99:4 beautiful [2] - 69:16, blew [2] - 4:6, 57:23 80:22
137:15, 138:15,
awarded [1] - 52:19 129:25 blind [2] - 36:18, buddy [2] - 55:10
143:17
awarding [1] - 99:10 became [1] - 135:2 99:10 buddy-buddy [1] -
Bob's [7] - 14:4,
awards [1] - 58:13 becomes [2] - 31:10, blindly [1] - 86:4 55:10
19:4, 23:17, 37:19,
aware [2] - 89:5, 119:10 Bliss [2] - 68:3, 68:6 budget [3] - 31:10,
54:15, 109:22, 134:25
111:2 bed [2] - 69:10, blocking [1] - 75:25 31:24, 139:18
body [2] - 135:10,
130:13 bloomer [1] - 12:20 bugging [1] - 35:17
142:21
B beginning [1] - 95:5 blow [4] - 4:3, 65:23, Bona [15] - 56:2, building [3] - 19:22,
behavior [1] - 134:4 91:15, 100:16 56:11, 59:12, 59:22, 44:2, 116:25
B-1 [6] - 3:10, 35:12, behind [5] - 20:9, blown [1] - 4:7 builds [2] - 43:25,
60:23, 61:17, 74:18,
63:21, 64:8, 84:23, 25:6, 64:15, 83:5, blue [1] - 118:12 44:1
75:3, 75:8, 75:9,
134:22 125:22 bluntly [1] - 92:24 built [1] - 43:25
75:22, 86:7, 136:8,
babies [1] - 19:10 behind-the-scenes board [40] - 13:22, 140:6 bullet [1] - 129:20
baby [2] - 63:24, [1] - 20:9 14:10, 14:17, 14:21, bullshit [4] - 38:12,
3
101:22, 106:6, 136:5 caveat [1] - 48:2 138:15 20:21, 21:2, 21:4, confidence [1] -
bunch [5] - 89:24, ceiling [1] - 118:11 chum [1] - 22:2 21:24, 22:17, 23:21, 144:6
99:24, 105:10, cell [1] - 5:7 chummy [1] - 22:2 24:6, 30:16, 43:4, conflict [21] - 24:5,
126:12, 132:15 center [2] - 97:1, chummy-chum [1] - 57:21, 58:10, 58:12, 25:20, 26:3, 29:5,
Burns [1] - 34:2 97:20 22:2 63:25, 98:14, 100:23, 29:14, 34:10, 34:15,
bus [1] - 35:15 CEO [4] - 96:19, cilantro [1] - 39:20 101:24 34:22, 34:23, 34:25,
business [18] - 106:7, 106:9, 131:25 circumstances [1] - commission's [1] - 35:20, 35:21, 36:5,
19:13, 19:21, 21:13, certain [2] - 52:21, 77:2 68:12 36:6, 36:14, 39:7,
28:7, 31:6, 31:14, 52:22 claims [2] - 99:25, commitment [1] - 42:9, 104:1, 135:23,
32:1, 32:14, 32:16, certainly [3] - 34:15, 144:10 4:12 139:14
32:24, 32:25, 33:14, 52:22, 78:18 classic [1] - 71:20 committed [2] - conflicts [3] - 14:25,
38:9, 67:19, 85:6, CERTIFICATE [1] - clean [1] - 101:8 130:9, 130:20 27:23, 119:5
104:2, 109:1, 139:19 145:1 cleaning [1] - 94:4 committee [6] - confused [2] - 21:16,
businesses [1] - certification [1] - clear [5] - 26:25, 15:18, 18:13, 22:12, 30:15
22:6 95:2 27:7, 65:2, 78:10, 24:25, 29:7 congratulations [1] -
busy [3] - 12:16, CFO [1] - 107:10 83:10 companies [7] - 2:8, 11:20
21:4, 39:13 CH2M [3] - 49:16, clearance [10] - 12:3, 14:19, 49:3, Congressional [4] -
button [3] - 57:20, 67:1, 92:16 40:20, 41:14, 43:11, 51:2 96:24, 100:16,
59:8, 61:16 chagrin [1] - 11:8 46:7, 46:8, 46:23, company [35] - 100:22, 128:14
buy [1] - 117:21 Chamberlin [13] - 47:15, 48:4, 51:2, 11:23, 15:11, 19:13, Congressmen [2] -
bye [5] - 8:14, 8:15, 4:12, 16:18, 16:20, 52:20 23:2, 23:3, 23:4, 98:15, 104:10
114:15 16:22, 33:20, 36:9, cleared [2] - 42:21, 23:15, 26:6, 26:7, connected [1] -
bye-bye [2] - 8:15, 58:2, 62:7, 71:20, 51:3 26:24, 27:15, 28:9, 103:16
114:15 88:22, 106:4, 129:11, clearly [2] - 84:8, 28:11, 28:12, 29:9, connection [8] -
129:13 87:8 29:25, 30:16, 36:25, 18:25, 22:17, 22:20,
C chance [4] - 28:16, clerk [1] - 54:14 37:11, 41:22, 45:3, 23:25, 24:1, 80:6,
48:9, 60:23, 100:24 Clinic [1] - 10:7 45:5, 45:17, 46:21, 106:16, 107:21
calendar [3] - 20:11, change [6] - 17:10, close [2] - 14:8, 51:4, 51:6, 51:12, consider [1] - 52:13
20:12, 109:23 17:25, 32:7, 63:22, 90:16 60:25, 63:20, 68:2, consultant [1] -
California [5] - 120:16, 124:14 closed [2] - 20:8, 68:15, 69:1, 69:23, 24:15
96:20, 96:23, 100:21, changed [1] - 3:12 24:5 69:24 contacting [1] -
100:23, 107:8 changes [3] - 128:5, closed-door [2] - compete [1] - 28:16 103:1
candidate [1] - 60:18 138:1, 138:5 20:8, 24:5 competed [1] - 39:10 contacts [3] - 96:24,
cannot [4] - 5:8, changing [3] - 9:21, closer [3] - 29:5, competition [4] - 104:9, 108:17
50:15, 89:16, 135:12 9:22, 126:13 30:14, 30:25 28:20, 32:22, 33:11, continue [2] -
capabilities [1] - characters [1] - co [7] - 62:4, 62:5, 76:5 102:23, 141:1
86:23 123:11 62:12, 79:23, 123:6, competitions [2] - contract [14] - 41:23,
Capps [2] - 133:14, charge [1] - 77:22 140:8, 143:10 86:1, 86:3 42:12, 42:14, 42:15,
133:22 check [5] - 10:4, co-opt [1] - 143:10 complain [1] - 12:14 59:20, 97:1, 97:20,
capps [1] - 133:17 77:17, 109:22, co-opted [4] - 62:4, complaint [3] - 98:11, 98:18, 111:18,
capps' [2] - 133:24, 118:11, 129:3 62:5, 79:23, 140:8 103:5, 133:15, 135:20 111:25, 142:2, 142:3,
134:4 checking [1] - co-opter [1] - 62:12 complaints [1] - 142:4
care [10] - 12:21, 117:23 co-opting [1] - 123:6 134:12 contracted [1] -
19:10, 25:7, 48:8, Cheyenne [1] - 127:5 code [1] - 29:14 complete [1] - 41:22 41:22
73:15, 73:17, 98:1, Chicago [8] - 11:13, college [2] - 63:12, completely [2] - contracting [6] -
102:15, 125:15, 138:6 12:10, 74:5, 76:4, 63:14 67:1, 121:18 85:17, 88:5, 89:15,
cared [1] - 44:25 76:19, 76:22, 93:23, Colorado [1] - 127:4 complex [1] - 49:20 89:17, 108:22, 113:10
career [1] - 122:1 99:4 comfortable [1] - complicated [1] - contractor [1] -
careful [1] - 120:10 chickens [1] - 102:8 27:13 71:6 17:13
carelessness [1] - children [3] - 9:11, coming [14] - 4:25, concern [1] - 35:24 contracts [6] - 74:16,
129:16 43:7, 43:8 43:15, 49:5, 56:20, concerned [2] - 77:23, 97:15, 98:6,
Carlos [5] - 80:18, CHM [1] - 92:14 73:14, 79:13, 79:20, 36:24 99:17, 138:21
80:20, 81:25, 139:11, choosing [1] - 77:5 100:20, 105:3, concerns [1] - contributed [1] -
143:13 chose [1] - 91:11 106:17, 116:15, 131:21 131:16
carry [1] - 19:4 Chris [5] - 74:7, 137:11, 137:13 concluded [2] - controversial [1] -
case [5] - 47:22, 74:23, 77:7, 77:8, comment [2] - 20:14, 130:4, 133:19 31:11
56:11, 74:22, 91:3 78:22 135:13 concrete [1] - 99:15 conversation [1] -
casually [1] - 28:5 Christmas [2] - 31:2, comments [2] - conduct [1] - 29:14 80:7
Caucus [1] - 128:14 31:7 18:18, 20:3 conducted [1] - conversations [1] -
caught [1] - 90:13 Christmastime [1] - commission [16] - 133:19 56:9
4
convince [1] - 15:6 32:23, 33:2, 34:7, Damn [1] - 68:3 43:22, 44:14, 49:18, details [2] - 38:12,
cooking [2] - 5:6, 44:9, 47:24, 48:10, Dan [1] - 111:12 98:22, 108:4, 122:1 38:13
5:19 62:10, 71:18, 98:20, Dangerfield [1] - decides [3] - 19:12, determine [1] - 42:8
cool [4] - 9:18, 119:7, 119:9, 129:2 24:9 19:15, 65:23 determined [4] -
11:17, 54:5, 144:7 crack [1] - 126:11 dangerous [2] - decision [2] - 42:22, 42:23, 67:15,
cooperation [1] - crack-of-dawn [1] - 44:7, 82:16 131:16, 132:2 73:7
132:4 126:11 Daniel [2] - 2:3, decisions [2] - determining [2] -
copping [1] - 136:22 crafting [1] - 140:1 145:7 65:10, 79:8 36:9, 36:12
copy [1] - 33:13 Cragg [3] - 2:3, darkness [1] - declare [1] - 27:9 detractors [1] -
Corporate [4] - 111:12, 145:7 119:21 dedication [1] - 56:23
61:22, 115:20, 116:1 crap [1] - 25:18 darn [3] - 34:9, 82:5, 130:24 development [1] -
corporate [2] - 45:7, crash [1] - 93:1 90:13 defensible [1] - 28:8
134:20 crazier [1] - 120:8 date [1] - 29:4 61:18 diabolical [1] - 64:16
corporation [1] - craziest [1] - 74:7 daughter [5] - 10:14, deficit [3] - 31:10, diagnosis [1] - 9:22
132:8 craziness [4] - 10:21, 16:7, 23:14, 31:24, 139:17 Diaz [3] - 24:7, 26:8,
corporation's [1] - 12:19, 58:4, 62:4, 107:19 definitely [3] - 27:9, 53:17
32:19 121:17 daughter's [2] - 23:6, 42:22, 42:24 die [1] - 100:14
correct [80] - 15:19, crazy [9] - 3:12, 109:25 Degan [1] - 50:4 Diego [1] - 89:9
18:20, 18:24, 19:5, 12:17, 12:18, 20:1, Dave [8] - 53:18, degree [3] - 62:21, difference [1] - 54:9
23:24, 25:22, 27:16, 64:22, 120:11, 79:23, 80:5, 80:6, 63:13, 141:21 different [4] - 14:1,
27:20, 45:11, 46:14, 127:17, 127:18, 137:7 81:5, 89:7, 90:8, delegated [1] - 90:17 72:21, 118:25, 121:18
46:15, 46:24, 46:25, crazy-assed [1] - 110:16 denied [2] - 112:24, differently [3] -
47:1, 47:6, 47:11, 64:22 David [19] - 20:22, 113:1 14:25, 15:13, 104:2
47:18, 47:21, 48:6, creating [2] - 29:2, 20:23, 20:24, 31:2, Dennis [48] - 17:18, difficult [1] - 111:21
49:6, 51:8, 51:22, 130:25 31:7, 31:8, 33:5, 18:15, 20:9, 21:25, dinner [3] - 5:6, 5:20,
52:9, 52:17, 56:24, credit [2] - 111:7, 34:14, 79:3, 80:16, 22:24, 22:25, 24:6, 5:21
60:13, 61:5, 66:20, 123:7 80:21, 81:11, 81:16, 28:22, 29:13, 29:23, direct [3] - 62:13,
69:18, 71:3, 73:23, criminal [1] - 111:1 82:2, 89:20, 103:2, 30:5, 30:12, 30:18, 83:5, 137:3
75:12, 81:21, 82:8, crooks [1] - 69:10 103:4, 103:6 33:13, 35:24, 62:7, directed [3] - 45:4,
82:21, 83:8, 83:22, cross [1] - 99:22 David's [1] - 103:5 64:1, 64:14, 64:19, 131:23
84:3, 84:6, 84:12, cross-pollination [1] dawn [1] - 126:11 64:21, 65:8, 67:18, direction [1] - 79:6
86:5, 91:18, 92:1, - 99:22 dawned [2] - 32:9, 68:24, 69:11, 79:18, directly [6] - 99:7,
92:8, 92:25, 93:7, CRP [10] - 16:4, 32:13 82:18, 82:23, 83:14, 131:21, 132:1,
93:14, 93:18, 94:23, 18:25, 86:20, 97:17, daylight [1] - 119:21 83:20, 83:23, 96:10, 133:25, 135:8, 136:22
95:13, 97:13, 98:3, 100:8, 100:18, days [7] - 19:22, 98:19, 98:23, 98:25, director [2] - 96:20,
104:15, 105:1, 105:6, 105:19, 106:8, 107:2, 57:17, 63:20, 81:2, 100:15, 101:25, 133:15
122:19, 123:18, 107:17 104:3, 126:3, 143:17 102:6, 104:21, directors [9] - 53:12,
125:12, 125:23, CRPs [7] - 15:18, DEA [1] - 110:22 104:22, 105:16, 53:23, 53:24, 53:25,
136:8, 140:18, 141:9, 16:6, 54:25, 85:21, dead [1] - 82:2 106:4, 123:5, 123:13, 56:3, 62:3, 62:12,
141:13, 145:9 92:7, 105:4, 139:25 deal [15] - 5:18, 134:8, 135:14, 142:15 79:7, 132:21
corrupt [1] - 125:1 crushed [2] - 63:3, 29:19, 51:24, 52:4, Dennis's [2] - 54:10, directs [1] - 53:13
corruption [4] - 63:7 57:4, 61:4, 62:15, 69:20 dirty [1] - 90:17
121:12, 123:16, cuff [1] - 10:2 62:16, 93:9, 96:13, Denver [2] - 95:6, disabilities [14] -
125:24, 134:16 culture [2] - 120:15, 105:10, 119:4, 95:18 97:2, 97:7, 97:11,
counsel [17] - 11:9, 132:9 125:23, 134:22, Department [1] - 98:7, 98:10, 98:13,
11:24, 25:24, 27:3, custodial [1] - 7:17 137:20 89:8 99:12, 99:14, 99:21,
27:12, 27:19, 32:10, customer [6] - 57:20, dealing [2] - 9:17, department [10] - 100:1, 100:19, 101:7,
128:13, 128:17, 90:2, 97:24, 97:25, 10:12 57:14, 85:15, 130:22, 116:11, 131:1
130:4, 130:6, 131:17, 108:4 dealt [1] - 11:7 131:19, 131:22, disability [1] - 99:20
132:14, 134:5, 135:4, cut [1] - 32:25 dear [1] - 130:3 132:6, 133:11, disabled [6] - 16:7,
136:19, 145:14 cutting [2] - 102:21, debrief [2] - 65:12, 133:14, 136:21, 19:13, 22:21, 23:14,
count [1] - 72:14 103:12 65:14 136:24 69:1, 89:12
country [1] - 72:18 CW [2] - 51:11, 51:12 debriefed [2] - 95:18, department's [1] - disapproval [1] -
COUNTY [1] - 145:3 95:22 131:15 135:10
County [1] - 145:24 deserve [1] - 111:7
couple [10] - 10:15,
D debriefing [1] - 95:8 discipline [2] -
decent [1] - 48:9 designed [1] - 134:7 133:25, 135:24
12:13, 14:11, 19:22, dabbling [1] - 108:18 decide [5] - 30:2, desk [1] - 87:4 disclose [10] - 16:12,
34:1, 34:11, 81:5, damn [6] - 26:25, 41:12, 43:23, 65:14 destroy [1] - 121:25 26:3, 26:6, 26:14,
91:13, 108:12, 141:4 32:2, 55:15, 95:15, decided [10] - 33:19, destroyed [2] - 67:1, 26:20, 26:21, 27:23,
course [15] - 7:12, 102:2 38:24, 41:11, 43:4, 127:5 34:17, 102:14, 102:16
5
disclosed [3] - drink [2] - 123:1, employer's [1] - 11:8 example [15] - 19:1, fairly [1] - 74:25
29:21, 36:7, 50:20 123:3 employment [1] - 43:23, 49:6, 55:11, fairness [2] - 83:3,
discloses [1] - 27:9 drinking [1] - 122:25 130:25 56:2, 57:10, 64:17, 104:24
disclosure [3] - drive [2] - 122:21, encouraged [1] - 103:10, 104:18, faith [1] - 83:13
25:20, 34:25, 36:13 141:18 131:14 135:21, 135:25, fall [5] - 64:16, 65:3,
discredit [1] - 131:4 driving [1] - 10:22 End [4] - 8:16, 70:5, 140:5, 141:1, 141:5, 65:22, 84:5, 126:15
discreet [1] - 91:10 drop [1] - 21:7 114:16, 144:15 143:16 falling [1] - 38:15
discuss [5] - 29:14, Dubinsky [3] - 53:18, end [7] - 6:4, 23:5, examples [2] - familiar [2] - 61:22,
34:21, 88:11, 132:19, 89:7, 110:16 25:18, 25:23, 57:16, 133:10, 133:13 98:4
132:22 due [1] - 134:22 124:13, 142:5 except [4] - 24:8, family [3] - 106:10,
discussed [3] - 56:4, dumb [1] - 67:11 endeavor [2] - 39:8, 44:17, 93:23 106:16, 106:17
138:2, 138:4 during [5] - 19:2, 127:20, 127:21 excited [1] - 66:5 fan [1] - 84:7
discussion [2] - 56:5, 86:19, 135:6, endeavored [1] - excluded [2] - 35:16, far [3] - 116:1, 116:9,
29:8, 55:2 135:9 130:21 64:13 135:16
discussions [1] - duty [3] - 27:23, ended [1] - 38:15 excuse [2] - 30:18, farce [1] - 35:11
134:8 27:24, 34:16 endless [1] - 71:2 59:19 father [1] - 106:10
disfavored [1] - ends [1] - 142:5 execute [2] - 113:18, fault [2] - 65:24,
131:7 E engage [1] - 132:10 134:19 68:13
dismay [1] - 11:8 enjoy [1] - 127:19 executive [7] - 14:2, favor [1] - 134:20
disparaging [1] - e-mail [5] - 60:7, enlighten [1] - 7:4 14:5, 56:3, 60:22, favoritism [1] -
18:17 60:9, 128:2, 128:20, enlist [2] - 21:18, 62:3, 79:7, 96:19 103:12
dispute [1] - 64:19 129:3 21:21 exercise [2] - 89:16, feasibility [1] - 81:7
dissatisfaction [2] - e-mailed [1] - 145:6 enthusiasm [1] - 89:18 federal [1] - 17:13
131:18, 136:20 e-waste [3] - 31:11, 130:24 expanded [2] - fee [2] - 26:17, 37:1
distancing [1] - 32:14, 139:15 entrusted [1] - 141:4 135:6, 135:10 feet [1] - 102:5
142:17 early [2] - 115:12, entrusting [1] - expenditure [1] - fell [1] - 117:16
distribution [1] - 130:14 132:5 31:13 felt [1] - 79:11
74:17 earth [1] - 111:6 ESOP [2] - 17:19, expert [1] - 17:12 few [5] - 25:17, 41:6,
distrust [1] - 132:9 easily [1] - 71:8 68:2 explain [10] - 23:9, 43:8, 123:5, 131:3
doctors [1] - 10:13 East [2] - 26:8, 28:6 ESOPs [1] - 69:12 38:6, 39:15, 39:19, Fide [11] - 56:2,
documentation [1] - Eastern [1] - 19:17 especially [1] - 4:15 41:15, 74:21, 75:24, 60:23, 61:17, 74:18,
101:10 eating [1] - 5:21 essence [1] - 68:10 95:19, 95:23, 95:24 75:3, 75:8, 75:9,
dollar [2] - 41:6, education [1] - 96:4 essentially [1] - explanation [5] - 75:22, 75:23, 86:7,
73:16 effective [1] - 130:6 44:23 30:18, 87:13, 87:16, 140:7
dollars [2] - 31:25, effectively [2] - estimate [1] - 94:18 87:19, 108:3 Fide's [4] - 56:11,
99:17 132:8, 132:13 etcetera [10] - 11:11, expose [2] - 125:11, 59:12, 59:22, 136:8
domain [1] - 134:12 ego [4] - 54:16, 12:22, 18:2, 26:4, 131:5 field [1] - 107:1
done [15] - 29:19, 123:24, 124:2, 133:12 28:17, 56:9, 57:8, expressed [3] - Fields [6] - 17:19,
35:8, 44:23, 46:10, either [2] - 44:17, 123:16 131:21, 135:7, 136:23 67:19, 102:1, 104:22,
51:24, 52:4, 53:6, 92:11 ethical [1] - 64:12 extent [1] - 84:2 134:8, 135:14
56:8, 57:4, 99:23, El [1] - 97:5 ethics [1] - 135:20 eye [3] - 99:10, fight [1] - 72:3
112:12, 116:2, electronically [1] - evaluation [1] - 121:23, 121:24 fighting [2] - 79:24,
119:21, 145:9 59:10 86:19 81:12
door [17] - 6:17, elements [1] - 63:23 Evans [2] - 106:25, F figure [10] - 4:23,
6:19, 6:20, 20:8, 24:5, eligible [3] - 47:5, 107:6 12:25, 33:7, 39:8,
75:6, 75:7, 75:14, 48:23, 56:25 face [4] - 23:17,
evening [1] - 114:12 52:10, 71:7, 79:13,
91:16, 92:2, 93:23, elimination [1] - 86:8 29:24, 111:5, 142:19
event [1] - 142:14 86:8, 126:8, 126:9
93:24, 94:2, 94:3, Elizabeth [1] - 106:5 facility [1] - 46:7
eventually [1] - figured [11] - 12:15,
104:3, 137:15, 138:11 Elmendorf [3] - 87:7, fact [14] - 24:18,
90:12 12:24, 13:9, 13:10,
down [12] - 20:15, 109:13, 109:14 35:22, 36:13, 36:25, 34:4, 42:17, 44:21,
everyday [1] -
25:25, 29:12, 37:4, emotional [1] - 128:1 42:17, 49:7, 66:5, 124:20, 125:4, 125:7
131:11
81:1, 90:9, 97:5, employed [1] - 88:21, 100:7, 105:20,
everywhere [1] - figuring [2] - 93:5,
106:3, 106:17, 145:14 110:2, 122:3, 139:23,
74:14 141:25
109:15, 115:8, 117:22 employee [9] - 144:11
ex [1] - 106:11 file [4] - 8:16, 70:5,
download [1] - 122:3 74:23, 76:24, 133:16, facts [5] - 75:11,
ex-military [1] - 114:16, 144:15
downtown [1] - 76:4 133:18, 134:11, 77:17, 77:18, 78:13,
106:11 filed [1] - 112:7
drafted [1] - 143:16 137:7, 145:12, 145:13 132:11
exact [1] - 75:10 files [2] - 101:9,
drafting [1] - 143:17 employees [2] - fair [6] - 28:19, 64:9,
exactly [8] - 15:9, 101:10
dressed [1] - 21:11 28:16, 141:2 67:17, 84:24, 99:2,
44:20, 84:12, 94:25, fill [3] - 25:25, 26:2,
drill [1] - 37:4 employer [1] - 3:4 104:19
95:17, 134:23 27:1
6
filled [1] - 25:21 forward [2] - 60:2, Gibbons [3] - 31:17, 37:16, 45:5, 51:20, handedly [1] - 41:5
finally [3] - 5:1, 32:2, 91:3 35:8, 139:15 53:2, 61:19, 97:25, handle [2] - 86:25,
126:6 Fountain's [1] - Gibbons' [1] - 34:25 103:1, 104:2, 105:9, 90:23
findings [1] - 133:21 135:20 given [8] - 11:15, 116:1, 126:4, 140:1, handpicked [1] -
fine [3] - 8:6, 14:14, four [7] - 2:3, 33:7, 47:8, 57:7, 79:6, 140:4, 144:9 123:21
113:11 85:15, 85:18, 135:1, 87:20, 87:21, 100:11, guilt [1] - 66:11 hands [1] - 27:10
fingerprints [1] - 143:16, 145:5 118:24 guilty [1] - 82:6 hang [2] - 70:2, 70:3
90:15 fox [1] - 15:21 glosses [1] - 30:5 guise [1] - 39:6 hanging [1] - 9:5
finish [3] - 5:19, 6:2 frame [3] - 48:4, gmail [1] - 129:21 guru [1] - 50:2 happy [5] - 13:20,
finished [5] - 30:19, 52:21, 52:25 God [3] - 19:9, 33:4, guy [52] - 14:20, 22:22, 55:13, 65:13,
63:23, 69:15, 101:2, frankly [3] - 42:6, 66:6 15:23, 16:13, 16:25, 124:15
104:12 53:8, 105:12 Goli [7] - 19:25, 17:23, 18:23, 19:15, hard [7] - 31:23,
fire [1] - 138:15 frantic [1] - 35:13 101:15, 102:2, 102:3, 19:16, 19:21, 20:3, 68:12, 92:3, 106:3,
fired [2] - 14:3, 77:25 Fred [2] - 77:9, 77:11 134:14, 134:18 20:12, 21:11, 21:17, 106:17, 122:13, 124:2
firms [2] - 11:11, fresh [1] - 32:11 Gonzales [2] - 20:24, 22:25, 23:8, 23:19, hate [2] - 37:17, 41:2
128:18 Friday [1] - 60:15 43:7 24:13, 30:23, 34:16, head [7] - 7:3, 15:10,
first [12] - 3:3, 9:25, friend [3] - 5:15, goodness [2] - 5:16, 34:23, 34:24, 37:5, 46:2, 60:25, 104:24,
36:16, 46:3, 60:7, 17:1, 45:24 50:3 38:4, 42:20, 54:3, 105:8, 119:1
65:17, 80:24, 82:4, friends [7] - 14:10, Goodwill [4] - 31:17, 54:13, 64:17, 65:3, headquarters [2] -
89:16, 91:2, 102:6, 16:18, 16:23, 18:17, 32:10, 32:21, 32:25 65:22, 74:23, 74:25, 87:11, 117:12
143:12 72:9, 110:22 Goodwills [2] - 84:5, 84:18, 84:19, heads [1] - 31:17
first-year [1] - 89:16 front [4] - 36:3, 67:1, 32:14, 33:1 84:20, 90:25, 91:2, health [1] - 9:17
five [3] - 22:1, 85:16, 78:7, 94:5 Google [1] - 116:5 96:5, 118:14, 120:2, hear [5] - 2:6, 14:12,
85:18 froze [1] - 82:9 gotcha [5] - 17:2, 121:2, 121:3, 122:10, 14:14, 14:15, 130:10
fix [2] - 13:1, 84:23 frustrating [2] - 9:24, 55:22, 90:18 122:16, 123:17, heard [6] - 49:1,
floods [1] - 127:4 132:12 governance [1] - 131:9, 133:12, 136:9, 68:11, 76:10, 76:12,
focus [1] - 91:14 fully [1] - 79:23 18:1 137:18, 138:16 101:1, 117:1
FOIA [1] - 90:5 function [1] - 132:13 government [14] - guys [43] - 14:25, heartburn [1] -
folks [1] - 120:7 functions [1] - 43:21, 46:19, 48:5, 15:12, 26:16, 31:1, 135:23
following [1] - 34:21 130:22 48:7, 48:24, 49:18, 31:4, 31:23, 33:5, Heath [1] - 50:5
funny [3] - 20:19, 50:16, 52:24, 72:22, 34:14, 37:2, 41:1, heavily [1] - 116:10
follows [3] - 13:10,
63:12, 105:15 76:11, 78:7, 85:17, 50:16, 51:1, 60:12, hell [3] - 9:14, 22:23,
133:11, 133:13
87:22 64:2, 64:20, 66:6, 24:5
fools [1] - 19:10 futuristic [1] - 43:19
GPS [1] - 44:4 67:17, 68:14, 74:12,
footnote [1] - 133:5 hello [1] - 115:2
74:17, 81:13, 84:2,
footnotes [3] - G grab [1] - 126:8
91:24, 92:10, 98:5,
Hello [1] - 9:2
132:15, 133:3, 134:7 gramma [1] - 10:16 help [15] - 17:25,
G2 [1] - 38:22 great [10] - 22:13, 98:10, 101:13,
footprint [1] - 76:19 22:21, 27:2, 27:6,
galley [1] - 44:1 22:21, 24:1, 26:15, 102:21, 103:11,
footprints [1] - 53:25, 67:23, 78:4,
game [14] - 12:25, 66:10, 100:3, 121:20, 105:17, 105:23,
110:17 108:23, 120:22,
13:1, 13:9, 14:8, 141:16 106:6, 111:16, 113:7,
for-profit [4] - 68:2, 120:23, 124:9,
52:14, 56:8, 76:16, 118:25, 124:13,
68:15, 116:7, 116:10 greed [2] - 71:2, 132:23, 133:1, 134:7,
92:20, 92:21, 93:4, 135:25, 138:2, 138:4,
Force [4] - 87:24, 120:14 142:14
93:10, 107:14, 139:16, 143:14,
88:18, 88:23, 127:4 ground [1] - 79:1 helpful [1] - 133:6
143:20, 143:21 144:3, 144:4
foregoing [2] - grounds [1] - 88:4 hen [1] - 15:20
145:5, 145:8 ganged [1] - 103:20 group [2] - 42:24, Henderson [1] - 62:2
foreign [1] - 72:18 GAO [4] - 58:15, 82:19 H henhouse [1] - 15:21
forest [1] - 140:16 64:3, 102:18, 136:2 GSA [23] - 6:14, hereby [1] - 130:5
half [6] - 7:22, 23:11,
forever [1] - 81:17 garage [1] - 44:1 57:11, 59:25, 60:1, hereto [3] - 145:13,
57:17, 63:20, 133:9,
forget [2] - 23:4, gaze [1] - 50:15 72:22, 74:2, 75:2, 145:14, 145:16
139:7
80:25 general [11] - 11:9, 75:8, 75:10, 75:17, highest [1] - 97:17
half-asleep [1] -
forgot [1] - 80:14 11:24, 32:10, 45:24, 75:22, 75:24, 75:25, hilarious [1] - 20:20
23:11
form [3] - 19:20, 46:6, 109:18, 128:17, 77:21, 77:22, 78:22, Hill [4] - 49:16, 67:1,
half-baked [1] -
25:25, 27:10 130:6, 131:17, 135:4, 80:17, 80:22, 81:4, 92:16, 117:11
133:9
formed [1] - 23:4 136:19 81:10, 82:6, 94:5 himself [1] - 83:2
halfway [1] - 21:10
former [3] - 133:16, generally [2] - 46:20, GSA-motivated [1] - hired [3] - 28:6,
hall [3] - 20:16,
133:18 142:2 78:22 28:15
74:13, 78:11
forms [1] - 25:20 generic [1] - 36:17 guarding [2] - 15:20, hires [1] - 97:1
hand [2] - 25:19,
Fort [4] - 68:3, 68:5, Geospatial [1] - 15:21 hiring [1] - 99:25
27:10
68:6, 95:6 117:14 guess [19] - 10:24, Hispanic [1] - 105:13
HAND [1] - 145:19
forth [2] - 10:12, 22:7 ghost [1] - 82:2 12:10, 16:7, 37:15, history [1] - 68:1
7
hit [2] - 80:15, 39:7, 88:12, 138:16 intelligence [1] - 130:19 103:18, 103:24,
136:24 immigrants [1] - 46:3 Jean [24] - 2:3, 104:3, 104:13
hits [1] - 84:7 100:1 intelligent [1] - 14:24, 15:11, 24:9,
hmm [8] - 21:14, impairs [1] - 132:13 123:10 25:1, 25:24, 40:12, K
38:20, 44:15, 69:18, imperative [1] - intentionally [1] - 48:22, 53:9, 55:16,
77:6, 79:16, 82:10, 41:17 69:13 57:18, 62:5, 62:17, keep [23] - 9:20,
112:2 implement [1] - interact [2] - 85:19, 78:6, 86:14, 115:3, 9:21, 9:22, 18:7,
hold [12] - 5:22, 7:22, 64:18 85:20 121:11, 129:11, 18:22, 27:11, 27:22,
40:15, 50:15, 69:24, importance [1] - interaction [1] - 92:4 131:17, 131:20, 37:4, 50:24, 55:18,
69:25, 127:14, 128:7, 132:5 interest [4] - 25:20, 132:20, 135:4, 60:2, 60:3, 65:20,
128:19, 128:21, important [2] - 54:7, 34:10, 104:1, 139:14 136:18, 136:21 65:21, 85:5, 98:5,
129:9, 130:8 55:13 interested [1] - jean [1] - 9:3 99:2, 100:2, 100:16,
holding [8] - 7:13, incredible [1] - 145:15 Jeff [1] - 135:19 102:24, 103:15,
7:14, 57:19, 60:2, 133:12 interesting [13] - 5:1, Jetsons [1] - 43:18 120:2, 123:20
60:3, 100:2, 128:13, incredulous [1] - 5:5, 28:20, 48:16, jig [1] - 103:25 keeping [1] - 55:12
128:16 144:13 51:19, 61:24, 72:15, Jim [19] - 6:9, 6:13, keeps [5] - 18:13,
holiday [1] - 60:8 incumbent [3] - 73:18, 103:22, 14:10, 14:19, 14:20, 65:12, 118:7, 118:8,
home [2] - 9:10, 68:15, 113:22 110:23, 115:17, 122:6 15:4, 15:23, 16:22, 126:13
102:9 incur [1] - 66:10 interests [4] - 32:20, 16:25, 18:16, 19:4, kept [1] - 95:23
Homeland [1] - 89:8 indeed [1] - 30:3 33:18, 134:21 27:8, 31:16, 33:19, kibosh [2] - 49:15,
homework [1] - 53:6 independent [12] - internal [2] - 19:25, 34:25, 45:2, 58:2, 56:2
honest [5] - 74:25, 14:11, 15:17, 15:24, 65:13 71:21, 139:15 kick [2] - 89:16,
83:16, 108:21, 17:3, 18:23, 19:6, internally [1] - 65:21 Job [1] - 89:9 89:18
141:22, 143:11 22:11, 22:12, 29:6, introduces [1] - job [6] - 15:9, 54:6, kicked [6] - 14:5,
Hood [1] - 95:6 30:23, 37:2, 65:9 22:25 54:10, 54:13, 54:15 105:20, 105:22,
hope [2] - 132:19, indirectly [1] - 132:1 investigated [2] - jobs [2] - 28:17, 105:24, 105:25,
141:23 individuals [7] - 2:8, 80:17, 82:7 28:18 106:21
hopper [1] - 112:20 53:22, 54:2, 55:5, investigating [1] - Joe [8] - 24:7, 26:8, kicker [1] - 14:7
horse's [1] - 39:1 130:21, 131:6 101:1 53:17, 56:7, 118:1, kid [3] - 16:6, 35:14,
hot [3] - 9:5, 9:14, inefficiencies [2] - investigation [9] - 118:6, 133:18 126:9
83:15 131:18, 136:20 103:18, 104:14, john [1] - 121:1 kidding [2] - 108:9,
hour [2] - 7:22 inequitable [1] - 133:12, 133:14, John [26] - 42:12, 121:11
house [1] - 3:6 17:11 133:20, 134:11, 64:14, 69:9, 69:12, killing [1] - 129:16
housetops [1] - influence [1] - 97:8 135:19, 139:11, 141:3 69:13, 69:15, 95:21, kind [44] - 4:17, 5:1,
119:23 information [8] - invite [1] - 88:21 101:17, 120:17, 9:13, 10:5, 11:6,
huge [5] - 13:11, 4:23, 30:4, 30:10, involved [9] - 22:24, 120:21, 120:24, 11:17, 12:10, 13:18,
44:2, 44:11, 97:4 39:2, 42:7, 42:10, 64:10, 84:1, 116:10, 121:2, 121:4, 121:19, 13:20, 14:23, 15:14,
Huggins [2] - 121:2, 85:20, 108:24 133:17, 135:24, 122:5, 123:21, 16:10, 20:12, 24:11,
121:4 informed [1] - 139:8, 139:10, 139:24 123:25, 124:1, 124:9, 25:16, 27:13, 30:5,
135:14 involving [1] - 74:18 124:20, 124:24, 30:6, 35:3, 39:1,
human [3] - 133:15,
injustice [1] - 100:17 island [1] - 113:13 127:15, 137:21, 42:16, 43:2, 48:19,
134:9, 134:10
issue [9] - 6:16, 142:12, 143:8 52:4, 55:24, 57:3,
hundreds [1] - 99:17 injustices [1] - 141:1
29:14, 29:20, 35:23, John's [1] - 127:23 59:20, 71:21, 74:25,
hung [1] - 75:15 innocent [1] - 23:19
joining [2] - 130:7, 81:19, 84:2, 91:3,
Hyatt [1] - 11:24 inquire [1] - 87:9 43:13, 78:10, 116:24,
123:25, 140:23 130:19 122:9, 124:13,
inside [2] - 100:6,
Joint [1] - 109:14 125:18, 129:5,
I 108:24 issued [2] - 133:23,
joke [1] - 68:13 129:15, 131:19,
insider [2] - 97:7, 134:2
idea [4] - 11:23, Jonestown [1] - 136:22, 138:21,
103:11 issues [11] - 9:17,
69:10, 82:6, 103:23 123:2 139:9, 139:20, 142:20
insisting [1] - 72:23 29:14, 30:24, 78:18,
identification [1] - Jose [1] - 116:25 kingpin [1] - 54:19
instances [1] - 95:1 87:2, 132:12, 134:16,
2:2 juice [1] - 136:15 knock [2] - 32:21,
instead [2] - 97:21, 136:2, 138:18, 139:1,
idiots [1] - 32:16 139:12 July [4] - 13:23, 33:11
131:11
illegal [1] - 99:25 25:19, 31:2, 31:7 knocking [1] - 104:3
institute [1] - 96:7
knowing [2] - 74:24,
Illinois [2] - 6:14, instruct [1] - 102:6 J jump [1] - 127:22
142:12
74:2 instructed [1] - jumped [2] - 102:5,
imagine [2] - 3:15, jacket [1] - 126:18 124:12 knowledge [2] -
89:15
108:21 janitorial [5] - 59:21, June [1] - 134:18 133:23, 134:10
instruction [1] -
immediate [1] - 61:2, 61:3, 68:18, justice [2] - 83:3, knowledgeable [1] -
134:19
62:13 68:19 100:25 107:13
instructions [1] -
immediately [3] - January [3] - 130:8, Justice [5] - 103:17, known [3] - 97:10,
134:21
8
107:20, 145:5 leaves [6] - 40:6, loan [3] - 26:12, 27:4, 27:16, 27:20, 75:12, 76:2, 76:9,
knows [15] - 41:2, 40:9, 111:1, 126:18, 26:13 28:14, 29:1, 29:11, 76:12, 76:17, 76:21,
41:4, 61:7, 82:16, 126:19 located [1] - 96:21 30:1, 30:21, 31:15, 77:6, 77:10, 77:13,
88:14, 102:16, leaving [5] - 74:12, Lockard [1] - 64:1 31:19, 31:21, 32:5, 77:15, 77:19, 77:22,
107:14, 117:17, 90:11, 90:15, 111:2, look [24] - 4:13, 7:15, 32:12, 32:23, 33:2, 78:2, 78:5, 78:15,
124:24, 124:25, 125:15 23:16, 28:13, 29:5, 33:22, 33:25, 34:7, 78:19, 79:2, 79:4,
125:5, 129:2, 143:9, led [1] - 123:15 30:14, 30:24, 33:4, 34:18, 35:2, 35:6, 79:10, 79:16, 79:19,
143:25 left [4] - 10:23, 37:22, 39:17, 52:6, 35:9, 36:1, 36:11, 80:1, 80:3, 80:10,
Knox [1] - 68:6 16:16, 77:1, 125:22 59:10, 74:12, 100:24, 36:19, 37:6, 37:13, 80:13, 81:9, 81:14,
Kool [3] - 123:1, legal [22] - 35:17, 101:9, 101:12, 37:20, 38:2, 38:20, 81:21, 82:8, 82:17,
123:4 56:10, 56:19, 57:14, 102:18, 111:10, 39:4, 39:21, 39:25, 82:21, 83:1, 83:8,
Kool-Aid [3] - 123:1, 64:10, 74:18, 101:15, 111:11, 111:16, 40:2, 40:5, 40:10, 83:12, 83:22, 84:3,
123:4 124:17, 130:22, 116:4, 128:20, 138:1, 40:16, 41:3, 41:8, 84:6, 84:9, 84:12,
kowtow [1] - 79:17 131:15, 131:19, 142:19 41:19, 41:24, 42:4, 84:14, 84:17, 84:21,
131:22, 132:5, 132:6, looked [7] - 4:10, 42:15, 42:19, 43:20, 85:3, 85:7, 85:10,
L 132:14, 133:11, 4:12, 4:22, 4:24, 34:8, 44:3, 44:5, 44:9, 85:13, 85:23, 86:2,
133:14, 136:21, 60:16, 64:1 44:15, 44:18, 44:20, 86:5, 86:10, 86:14,
lack [4] - 17:18, 136:24, 138:20, looking [12] - 10:6, 45:11, 45:15, 45:17, 86:18, 86:21, 87:1,
34:25, 51:20, 134:10 139:20 21:24, 21:25, 24:11, 45:21, 46:1, 46:4, 87:6, 87:15, 87:18,
lakeview [1] - 87:23 legal's [1] - 102:14 71:24, 88:7, 113:11, 46:15, 46:24, 47:1, 87:21, 88:1, 88:10,
Lakeview [2] - 88:2 legally [1] - 138:20 118:8, 128:7, 128:8, 47:6, 47:11, 47:18, 88:14, 88:16, 88:20,
language [2] - legit [1] - 52:11 128:20, 142:16 47:21, 47:24, 48:6, 89:1, 89:4, 89:7,
135:10, 142:21 less [2] - 141:17 looks [4] - 93:12, 48:10, 48:16, 49:1, 89:11, 89:14, 89:22,
larger [1] - 66:11 lesson [1] - 82:15 118:10, 129:10, 49:6, 49:11, 49:15, 90:1, 90:4, 90:7,
last [23] - 3:4, 12:9, letter [22] - 102:17, 142:24 49:25, 50:6, 50:10, 90:10, 90:18, 90:22,
12:12, 13:22, 20:21, 103:5, 104:22, loose [2] - 7:15, 7:16 50:12, 50:14, 50:24, 91:4, 91:7, 91:10,
23:5, 38:15, 39:11, 120:18, 120:20, Lopez [3] - 2:4, 51:8, 51:14, 51:17, 91:18, 91:20, 92:1,
41:6, 90:14, 98:17, 122:2, 125:10, 48:13, 61:7 51:22, 52:2, 52:9, 92:8, 92:13, 92:16,
98:22, 103:17, 125:14, 125:18, LOPEZ [608] - 3:9, 52:17, 52:22, 53:1, 92:23, 92:25, 93:3,
115:10, 118:4, 126:7, 127:2, 127:23, 3:15, 3:24, 4:8, 4:20, 53:4, 53:9, 53:12, 93:7, 93:14, 93:18,
123:13, 135:1, 127:24, 129:10, 5:3, 5:11, 5:16, 5:25, 53:17, 53:21, 54:4, 93:21, 93:24, 94:2,
135:13, 138:11, 129:11, 131:24, 6:5, 6:8, 6:10, 6:12, 54:8, 54:11, 54:17, 94:6, 94:9, 94:12,
139:13, 140:5, 143:18 133:1, 133:22, 6:15, 6:18, 6:21, 6:23, 54:20, 54:22, 54:24, 94:15, 94:18, 94:23,
late [8] - 8:5, 12:20, 133:23, 134:1, 6:25, 7:7, 7:9, 7:12, 55:6, 55:9, 55:17, 94:25, 95:5, 95:13,
13:3, 44:22, 115:5, 134:23, 143:17 7:19, 7:24, 8:3, 8:6, 55:19, 55:22, 56:1, 95:17, 95:21, 96:12,
115:10, 138:8 letters [1] - 140:1 8:9, 8:13, 8:15, 9:3, 56:13, 56:24, 57:2, 96:15, 96:17, 96:22,
lately [4] - 20:17, level [1] - 65:17 9:5, 9:8, 9:10, 9:15, 57:6, 57:10, 57:24, 97:13, 97:18, 97:22,
33:6, 107:19, 107:25 9:23, 10:8, 10:10, 58:6, 58:8, 58:14, 98:3, 98:24, 99:5,
liability [1] - 131:5
latest [1] - 112:24 10:17, 11:1, 11:4, 58:19, 58:24, 59:2, 100:9, 101:5, 102:4,
lid [2] - 91:15, 100:17
laughing [2] - 34:9, 11:14, 11:18, 11:21, 59:4, 59:15, 60:13, 103:8, 103:14,
lie [1] - 101:11
128:7 12:1, 12:6, 12:23, 61:5, 61:10, 61:19, 103:21, 104:15,
life [4] - 5:8, 48:15,
law [2] - 11:10, 32:11 13:2, 13:5, 13:8, 61:24, 62:5, 62:8, 104:20, 105:1, 105:6,
55:14, 74:8
lawsuit [1] - 103:5 13:13, 13:15, 13:21, 62:10, 62:14, 62:17, 105:14, 105:18,
lifetime [1] - 127:20
lawyers [1] - 11:10 13:25, 14:6, 14:14, 62:19, 62:23, 62:25, 105:24, 106:2, 106:7,
light [1] - 71:16
lay [2] - 111:12, 14:16, 14:22, 15:3, 63:5, 63:7, 63:16, 106:12, 106:15,
limited [1] - 109:6
15:15, 15:19, 15:22, 64:5, 64:7, 64:24, 106:20, 106:24,
115:8 limits [1] - 47:19
15:25, 16:8, 16:14, 65:4, 65:7, 65:19, 107:1, 107:3, 107:6,
laying [1] - 82:15 line [6] - 29:16,
16:19, 16:21, 16:24, 65:25, 66:3, 66:7, 107:9, 107:11,
leadership [1] - 43:15, 49:5, 56:20,
17:2, 17:6, 17:16, 66:10, 66:14, 66:17, 107:15, 107:20,
131:3 70:3, 73:14
17:22, 18:4, 18:6, 66:20, 66:25, 67:4, 107:24, 108:2, 108:8,
learned [2] - 82:15, Linke [1] - 50:11
18:8, 18:11, 18:20, 67:9, 67:13, 67:18, 108:10, 108:14,
131:2 links [1] - 145:6
18:24, 19:5, 19:7, 67:24, 68:7, 68:21, 108:16, 108:20,
least [13] - 16:3, list [2] - 57:7, 95:12
19:11, 19:14, 19:19, 68:23, 69:3, 69:6, 109:2, 109:5, 109:7,
25:5, 25:6, 83:19, listed [1] - 145:10
19:23, 20:6, 20:18, 69:18, 70:1, 70:4, 109:10, 109:13,
92:20, 111:1, 111:2, literally [3] - 41:9,
20:23, 21:1, 21:9, 71:3, 71:9, 71:11, 109:17, 109:21,
120:19, 125:14, 57:18, 93:22
21:14, 22:3, 22:15, 71:18, 71:22, 72:1, 110:1, 110:5, 110:8,
125:15, 125:17, litigants [1] - 56:22
23:7, 23:12, 23:24, 72:4, 72:7, 72:15, 110:11, 110:13,
126:1, 126:6 litigations [1] - 83:18
24:2, 24:10, 24:20, 72:20, 72:25, 73:2, 110:18, 110:22,
leave [6] - 3:6, 39:10, Little's [1] - 77:20
24:23, 25:4, 25:10, 73:5, 73:10, 73:13, 110:25, 111:8,
76:22, 110:16, lives [1] - 107:7
25:15, 25:22, 26:9, 73:18, 73:20, 73:23, 111:14, 111:20,
120:19, 125:18 living [1] - 9:12 74:1, 74:9, 75:1, 75:4, 111:23, 112:2, 112:5,
9
112:9, 112:13, 141:6, 141:9, 141:13, manner [2] - 131:14, 91:22, 92:1, 92:10, member [8] - 22:12,
112:16, 112:23, 141:19, 141:21, 135:5 92:12, 92:24, 93:10, 29:7, 33:14, 37:2,
113:3, 113:5, 113:9, 142:6, 142:8, 142:11, manners [1] - 93:1 93:22, 94:3, 96:17, 37:18, 90:17, 105:21
113:15, 113:20, 142:18, 142:21, March [1] - 11:16 97:16, 100:14, members [5] - 23:21,
113:24, 114:6, 143:2, 143:5, 143:7, Martin [48] - 5:7, 101:11, 102:13, 23:22, 25:21, 37:18,
114:10, 114:12, 143:22, 143:24 21:19, 35:16, 38:14, 102:15, 103:18, 132:21
114:14, 115:3, 115:5, Lord [1] - 119:20 38:17, 39:3, 39:6, 104:6, 106:22, mention [5] - 109:19,
115:9, 115:11, lose [1] - 37:17 39:13, 40:11, 41:15, 108:21, 110:19, 123:9, 135:25,
115:14, 115:18, loss [1] - 141:16 42:25, 50:20, 53:17, 111:25, 112:17, 138:22, 139:13
115:20, 115:24, lost [1] - 16:13 54:2, 54:5, 55:2, 112:23, 113:10, mentioned [2] - 74:1,
116:4, 116:9, 116:14, Louis [5] - 5:10, 55:10, 55:15, 62:9, 116:22, 118:15, 135:4
116:16, 116:18, 38:24, 45:13, 49:9 62:12, 62:18, 63:9, 118:18, 119:4, mentions [2] -
116:22, 116:24, love [1] - 16:13 64:11, 64:16, 64:21, 119:16, 120:13, 102:17, 102:18
117:4, 117:7, 117:9, loves [1] - 54:15 65:2, 65:11, 65:16, 123:17, 123:23, message [1] - 39:10
117:11, 117:14, low [1] - 82:15 67:11, 74:11, 78:23, 124:7, 124:24, messing [1] - 9:11
117:16, 117:19, loyalty [1] - 131:23 79:18, 79:25, 83:14, 124:25, 125:1, 125:3, met [4] - 27:7, 74:8,
117:25, 118:2, 118:4, lunch [6] - 3:18, 4:2, 83:25, 84:1, 100:10, 126:15, 128:22, 99:3, 103:3
118:7, 118:10, 4:6, 4:13, 57:22 100:11, 100:12, 129:2, 129:18, 130:1, Michigan [2] - 97:19,
118:14, 118:18, lying [3] - 75:20, 103:20, 118:13, 133:5, 133:8, 134:16, 100:13
118:21, 119:2, 119:7, 75:21, 120:15 142:23 137:6, 137:13, 138:3, Micky [7] - 56:7,
119:9, 119:14, Martin's [6] - 63:24, 138:14, 139:9, 57:16, 59:7, 59:21,
119:16, 119:25, 65:24, 74:10, 78:25, 139:10, 139:12,
120:5, 120:9, 120:13,
M 139:13, 139:22,
60:18, 61:25, 72:11
100:8, 118:9 Micky's [1] - 7:8
120:21, 120:24, M.J [7] - 6:22, 96:4, masterminds [1] - 139:23, 140:19, Middle [1] - 19:16
121:1, 121:4, 121:6, 96:15, 96:17, 96:19, 123:7 141:8, 142:12, 143:3, middle [4] - 41:16,
121:8, 121:11, 102:10, 104:8 Matt [2] - 14:3, 134:9 143:15, 143:24, 58:1, 98:22, 99:1
121:22, 122:8, MacDill [3] - 87:24, matter [5] - 49:7, 144:4, 144:6
might [7] - 11:8,
122:11, 122:14, 88:17, 88:23 61:2, 61:13, 132:20, mean-spirited [1] - 37:3, 62:21, 79:12,
122:19, 122:23, mad [3] - 102:21, 132:22 66:18 86:8, 108:23, 140:19
123:2, 123:9, 123:18, 106:18, 125:16 matters [2] - 133:10, mean-spiritedness Mike [5] - 76:23,
124:6, 124:10, made-up [1] - 54:6 133:13 [1] - 73:25
77:1, 77:3, 77:20
124:18, 124:20, madness [1] - 3:22 Matthew [1] - 28:3 meaning [2] - 39:3, military [1] - 106:11
124:23, 125:8, mafia [4] - 31:18, Mayo [1] - 10:7 51:1
million [6] - 31:16,
125:12, 125:20, 33:21, 62:1, 101:14 mean [145] - 8:10, meanness [1] -
31:25, 32:10, 44:11,
125:23, 126:2, magnus [1] - 128:6 9:21, 13:5, 16:2, 16:3, 73:24 72:1, 73:16
126:16, 126:21, mail [5] - 60:7, 60:9, 16:5, 17:24, 20:2, means [3] - 2:5, 3:6, million-dollar [1] -
126:24, 127:1, 127:3, 21:5, 26:1, 26:2, 30:20
128:2, 128:20, 129:3 73:16
127:9, 127:11, 26:14, 26:15, 28:4, medical [1] - 12:3
mailed [1] - 145:6 millions [1] - 99:17
127:13, 127:15, 29:19, 31:3, 32:18, meet [19] - 3:19,
major [8] - 59:19, mind [4] - 18:7,
127:19, 127:25, 33:19, 35:4, 35:16, 3:21, 3:22, 4:13, 4:15,
63:23, 99:23, 136:1, 119:20, 119:25,
128:3, 128:9, 128:11, 36:6, 36:7, 37:10, 4:16, 4:18, 28:22,
138:18, 139:9, 139:22 123:23
128:15, 128:23, 37:17, 37:22, 38:9, 36:4, 37:14, 38:4,
malicious [1] - 135:2 Minneapolis [1] -
129:1, 129:4, 129:7, 41:9, 42:16, 44:11, 38:5, 39:6, 41:17,
man [12] - 23:17, 91:1
129:14, 129:17, 46:13, 47:23, 50:9, 42:8, 98:21, 98:23,
42:8, 91:10, 123:1, MINNESOTA [1] -
129:19, 129:22, 51:9, 51:23, 53:16, 99:1
123:4, 123:7, 124:4, 145:2
129:25, 130:10, 53:20, 54:9, 54:23, meeting [33] - 4:4,
125:14, 126:1, 126:5, minute [6] - 40:15,
130:13, 130:17, 55:21, 57:5, 58:6, 13:22, 18:15, 20:21,
127:23, 137:22 60:4, 68:5, 69:8, 70:3,
131:10, 131:13, 58:20, 60:16, 60:24, 21:3, 21:4, 22:9, 24:6,
manage [1] - 55:5 137:14
132:17, 132:25, 61:2, 61:3, 62:21, 24:7, 24:8, 25:2, 25:8,
manageable [1] - minutes [3] - 32:8,
133:4, 133:7, 133:9, 63:22, 64:2, 66:18, 25:19, 25:24, 28:3,
34:16 33:7
134:3, 135:18, 136:3, 66:25, 68:9, 71:6, 28:22, 29:8, 29:13,
managed [2] - 47:16, mis [1] - 9:22
136:6, 136:14, 71:7, 71:10, 72:4, 30:16, 31:1, 31:4,
122:21 misdiagnosing [1] -
136:16, 137:1, 137:9, 73:6, 73:8, 73:16, 33:13, 34:21, 35:11,
management [3] - 9:20
137:11, 137:16, 73:19, 73:25, 75:13, 42:18, 50:20, 75:16,
3:14, 15:10, 16:4 miserable [1] - 55:14
137:19, 137:23, 76:13, 76:17, 77:8, 103:25, 135:7, 135:11
138:2, 138:4, 138:8, manager [1] - 28:18 Miss [2] - 3:17
78:24, 79:14, 80:9, meetings [4] - 20:9,
138:13, 138:17, managing [3] - misses [1] - 20:25
81:11, 81:16, 81:19, 24:5, 56:5, 135:8
138:23, 139:3, 139:6, 92:22, 128:12, 128:18 missing [1] - 117:16
82:24, 84:13, 85:2, Melphine [4] -
139:21, 140:3, mandatory [1] - 3:13 mission [1] - 130:25
85:22, 86:14, 87:19, 105:20, 106:25,
140:10, 140:13, manipulates [1] - Mitch [4] - 55:11,
90:12, 90:23, 91:20, 107:6, 108:25
140:18, 140:21, 53:13 101:19, 102:16,
10
103:19 14:22, 15:3, 15:15, 64:5, 64:7, 64:24, 106:20, 106:24, 129:25, 130:10,
moaning [1] - 45:1 15:19, 15:22, 15:25, 65:4, 65:7, 65:19, 107:1, 107:3, 107:6, 130:13, 130:17,
model [2] - 85:12, 16:8, 16:14, 16:19, 65:25, 66:3, 66:7, 107:9, 107:11, 131:10, 131:13,
85:14 16:21, 16:24, 17:2, 66:10, 66:14, 66:17, 107:15, 107:20, 132:17, 132:25,
moderation [2] - 17:6, 17:16, 17:22, 66:20, 66:25, 67:4, 107:24, 108:2, 108:8, 133:4, 133:7, 133:9,
39:25, 40:2 18:4, 18:6, 18:8, 67:9, 67:13, 67:18, 108:10, 108:14, 134:3, 135:18, 136:3,
modular [2] - 43:24, 18:11, 18:20, 18:24, 67:24, 68:7, 68:21, 108:16, 108:20, 136:6, 136:14,
44:2 19:5, 19:7, 19:11, 68:23, 69:3, 69:6, 109:2, 109:5, 109:7, 136:16, 137:1, 137:9,
mom [4] - 9:17, 19:14, 19:19, 19:23, 69:18, 70:1, 70:4, 109:10, 109:13, 137:11, 137:16,
10:18, 10:20, 10:21 20:6, 20:18, 20:23, 71:3, 71:9, 71:11, 109:17, 109:21, 137:19, 137:23,
moment [2] - 76:6, 21:1, 21:9, 21:14, 71:18, 71:22, 72:1, 110:1, 110:5, 110:8, 138:2, 138:4, 138:8,
108:20 22:3, 22:15, 23:7, 72:4, 72:7, 72:15, 110:11, 110:13, 138:13, 138:17,
Monday [6] - 59:9, 23:12, 23:24, 24:2, 72:20, 72:25, 73:2, 110:18, 110:22, 138:23, 139:3, 139:6,
60:8, 61:16, 111:12, 24:10, 24:20, 24:23, 73:5, 73:10, 73:13, 110:25, 111:8, 139:21, 140:3,
114:4 25:4, 25:10, 25:15, 73:18, 73:20, 73:23, 111:14, 111:20, 140:10, 140:13,
money [8] - 14:3, 25:22, 26:9, 27:4, 74:1, 74:9, 75:1, 75:4, 111:23, 112:2, 112:5, 140:18, 140:21,
24:15, 29:10, 44:13, 27:16, 27:20, 28:14, 75:12, 76:2, 76:9, 112:9, 112:13, 141:6, 141:9, 141:13,
71:25, 76:15, 91:23, 28:15, 29:1, 29:11, 76:12, 76:17, 76:21, 112:16, 112:23, 141:19, 141:21,
119:6 30:1, 30:21, 31:15, 77:6, 77:10, 77:13, 113:3, 113:5, 113:9, 142:6, 142:8, 142:11,
monitoring [6] - 31:19, 31:21, 32:5, 77:15, 77:19, 77:22, 113:15, 113:20, 142:18, 142:21,
58:22, 60:19, 74:15, 32:12, 32:23, 33:2, 78:2, 78:5, 78:15, 113:24, 114:6, 143:2, 143:5, 143:7,
90:24, 139:24, 141:5 33:22, 33:25, 34:7, 78:19, 79:2, 79:4, 114:10, 114:12, 143:22, 143:24
month [1] - 142:4 34:18, 35:2, 35:6, 79:10, 79:16, 79:19, 114:14, 115:3, 115:5, MS [611] - 3:2, 3:10,
months [4] - 46:23, 35:9, 36:1, 36:11, 80:1, 80:3, 80:10, 115:9, 115:11, 3:17, 3:25, 4:9, 4:21,
53:1, 135:1, 135:9 36:19, 37:6, 37:13, 80:13, 81:9, 81:14, 115:14, 115:18, 5:4, 5:14, 5:17, 6:1,
moreover [1] - 37:20, 38:2, 38:20, 81:21, 82:8, 82:17, 115:20, 115:24, 6:6, 6:9, 6:11, 6:13,
133:24 39:4, 39:21, 39:25, 82:21, 83:1, 83:8, 116:4, 116:9, 116:14, 6:16, 6:19, 6:22, 6:24,
morning [9] - 3:6, 40:2, 40:5, 40:10, 83:12, 83:22, 84:3, 116:16, 116:18, 7:1, 7:8, 7:10, 7:13,
38:19, 39:12, 40:12, 40:16, 41:3, 41:8, 84:6, 84:9, 84:12, 116:22, 116:24, 7:20, 7:25, 8:4, 8:7,
42:6, 43:1, 126:19, 41:19, 41:24, 42:4, 84:14, 84:17, 84:21, 117:4, 117:7, 117:9, 8:11, 8:14, 9:2, 9:4,
129:13, 137:21 42:15, 42:19, 43:20, 85:3, 85:7, 85:10, 117:11, 117:14, 9:7, 9:9, 9:13, 9:16,
44:3, 44:5, 44:9, 85:13, 85:23, 86:2, 117:16, 117:19, 9:24, 10:9, 10:11,
most [2] - 88:2,
44:15, 44:18, 44:20, 86:5, 86:10, 86:14, 117:25, 118:2, 118:4, 10:18, 11:2, 11:5,
94:14
45:11, 45:15, 45:17, 86:18, 86:21, 87:1, 118:7, 118:10, 11:15, 11:19, 11:22,
motherhood [1] -
45:21, 46:1, 46:4, 87:6, 87:15, 87:18, 118:14, 118:18, 12:2, 12:7, 12:15,
12:21
46:15, 46:24, 47:1, 87:21, 88:1, 88:10, 118:21, 119:2, 119:7, 12:17, 12:24, 13:3,
motion [1] - 10:23
47:6, 47:11, 47:18, 88:14, 88:16, 88:20, 119:9, 119:14, 13:6, 13:9, 13:14,
motivated [1] - 78:22
47:21, 47:24, 48:6, 89:1, 89:4, 89:7, 119:16, 119:25, 13:16, 13:22, 14:1,
Mountain [1] - 127:5
48:10, 48:16, 49:1, 89:11, 89:14, 89:22, 120:5, 120:9, 120:13, 14:7, 14:15, 14:17,
mouth [1] - 39:1
49:6, 49:11, 49:15, 90:1, 90:4, 90:7, 120:21, 120:24, 14:23, 15:4, 15:16,
mouthing [3] - 75:9,
49:25, 50:6, 50:10, 90:10, 90:18, 90:22, 121:1, 121:4, 121:6, 15:20, 15:23, 16:1,
75:21, 75:22
50:12, 50:14, 50:24, 91:4, 91:7, 91:10, 121:8, 121:11, 16:9, 16:15, 16:20,
move [2] - 60:1,
51:8, 51:14, 51:17, 91:18, 91:20, 92:1, 121:22, 122:8, 16:22, 16:25, 17:3,
71:21
51:22, 52:2, 52:9, 92:8, 92:13, 92:16, 122:11, 122:14, 17:7, 17:17, 17:23,
moves [1] - 81:5
52:17, 52:22, 53:1, 92:23, 92:25, 93:3, 122:19, 122:23, 18:5, 18:7, 18:9,
MR [609] - 3:9, 3:15, 53:4, 53:9, 53:12, 93:7, 93:14, 93:18, 123:2, 123:9, 123:18, 18:12, 18:21, 18:25,
3:24, 4:8, 4:20, 5:3, 53:17, 53:21, 54:4, 93:21, 93:24, 94:2, 124:6, 124:10, 19:6, 19:8, 19:12,
5:11, 5:16, 5:25, 6:5, 54:8, 54:11, 54:17, 94:6, 94:9, 94:12, 124:18, 124:20, 19:15, 19:20, 19:24,
6:8, 6:10, 6:12, 6:15, 54:20, 54:22, 54:24, 94:15, 94:18, 94:23, 124:23, 125:8, 20:7, 20:19, 20:24,
6:18, 6:21, 6:23, 6:25, 55:6, 55:9, 55:17, 94:25, 95:5, 95:13, 125:12, 125:20, 21:2, 21:10, 21:15,
7:7, 7:9, 7:12, 7:19, 55:19, 55:22, 56:1, 95:17, 95:21, 96:12, 125:23, 126:2, 22:4, 22:16, 23:8,
7:24, 8:3, 8:6, 8:9, 56:13, 56:24, 57:2, 96:15, 96:17, 96:22, 126:16, 126:21, 23:13, 23:25, 24:3,
8:13, 8:15, 9:3, 9:5, 57:6, 57:10, 57:24, 97:13, 97:18, 97:22, 126:24, 127:1, 127:3, 24:11, 24:21, 24:24,
9:8, 9:10, 9:15, 9:23, 58:6, 58:8, 58:14, 98:3, 98:24, 99:5, 127:9, 127:11, 25:5, 25:11, 25:16,
10:8, 10:10, 10:17, 58:19, 58:24, 59:2, 100:9, 101:5, 102:4, 127:13, 127:15, 25:23, 26:10, 27:5,
11:1, 11:4, 11:14, 59:4, 59:15, 60:13, 103:8, 103:14, 127:19, 127:25, 27:17, 27:21, 29:2,
11:18, 11:21, 12:1, 61:5, 61:10, 61:19, 103:21, 104:15, 128:3, 128:9, 128:11, 29:12, 30:2, 30:22,
12:6, 12:23, 13:2, 61:24, 62:5, 62:8, 104:20, 105:1, 105:6, 128:15, 128:23, 31:16, 31:20, 31:22,
13:5, 13:8, 13:13, 62:10, 62:14, 62:17, 105:14, 105:18, 129:1, 129:4, 129:7, 32:6, 32:13, 32:24,
13:15, 13:21, 13:25, 62:19, 62:23, 62:25, 105:24, 106:2, 106:7, 129:14, 129:17, 33:3, 33:23, 34:1,
14:6, 14:14, 14:16, 63:5, 63:7, 63:16, 106:12, 106:15, 129:19, 129:22, 34:8, 34:19, 35:3,
11
35:7, 35:10, 36:2, 79:17, 79:20, 80:2, 115:10, 115:12, muck [1] - 15:7 72:16, 74:20, 74:21,
36:12, 36:20, 37:7, 80:4, 80:11, 80:14, 115:15, 115:19, muckety [1] - 15:7 86:6, 86:7, 86:11,
37:14, 37:21, 38:3, 81:10, 81:15, 81:22, 115:22, 115:25, muckety-muck [1] - 86:12, 86:20, 86:22,
38:21, 39:5, 39:23, 82:9, 82:18, 82:23, 116:7, 116:12, 15:7 91:14, 91:15, 96:2,
40:1, 40:3, 40:8, 83:2, 83:9, 83:13, 116:15, 116:17, multimillion [1] - 101:25, 118:25,
40:11, 40:17, 41:4, 83:23, 84:4, 84:7, 116:20, 116:23, 41:6 119:4, 122:3, 132:4,
41:9, 41:20, 41:25, 84:10, 84:13, 84:15, 117:2, 117:5, 117:8, multimillion-dollar 137:18, 142:9
42:5, 42:16, 42:20, 84:18, 84:22, 85:4, 117:10, 117:13, [1] - 41:6 needed [3] - 15:17,
43:21, 44:4, 44:6, 85:8, 85:11, 85:14, 117:15, 117:18, must [5] - 5:14, 27:9, 17:25, 40:19
44:10, 44:16, 44:19, 85:24, 86:3, 86:6, 117:22, 118:1, 118:3, 104:9, 126:4, 135:11 needing [1] - 113:4
44:21, 45:12, 45:16, 86:11, 86:15, 86:19, 118:6, 118:9, 118:13, muster [1] - 11:20 needs [3] - 10:1,
45:19, 45:22, 46:2, 86:22, 87:5, 87:14, 118:16, 118:19, MY [1] - 145:19 47:7, 126:20
46:5, 46:16, 46:25, 87:16, 87:19, 87:25, 118:22, 119:4, 119:8, nerve [3] - 9:19,
47:2, 47:7, 47:12, 88:9, 88:13, 88:15, 119:11, 119:15,
47:19, 47:22, 47:25, 88:19, 88:24, 89:2, 119:24, 120:1, 120:6,
N 9:25, 10:3
neurologists [1] -
48:7, 48:12, 48:18, 89:6, 89:10, 89:13, 120:10, 120:17, nah [1] - 136:10 10:13
49:2, 49:9, 49:14, 89:20, 89:23, 90:2, 120:22, 120:25, nail [1] - 90:21 never [13] - 3:22,
49:23, 50:5, 50:8, 90:6, 90:8, 90:11, 121:2, 121:5, 121:7, name [27] - 3:12, 4:11, 16:9, 39:2, 45:9,
50:11, 50:13, 50:23, 90:19, 90:25, 91:5, 121:9, 121:13, 18:7, 21:19, 21:20, 56:18, 80:6, 80:14,
51:5, 51:9, 51:15, 91:9, 91:12, 91:19, 121:23, 122:9, 23:4, 23:5, 23:6, 81:22, 83:25, 101:1,
51:18, 51:23, 52:3, 91:21, 92:5, 92:9, 122:12, 122:15, 23:23, 28:11, 36:16, 103:3, 121:15
52:10, 52:18, 52:24, 92:14, 92:17, 92:24, 122:20, 122:24, 45:3, 50:3, 61:23, nevertheless [2] -
53:2, 53:5, 53:11, 93:1, 93:4, 93:8, 123:3, 123:12, 63:22, 68:4, 69:1, 17:7
53:16, 53:19, 54:1, 93:15, 93:19, 93:22, 123:19, 124:7, 76:25, 77:11, 84:15, new [4] - 3:10, 3:16,
54:5, 54:9, 54:12, 94:1, 94:3, 94:8, 124:11, 124:19, 92:14, 96:4, 105:7, 7:1, 69:9
54:18, 54:21, 54:23, 94:10, 94:13, 94:16, 124:22, 124:24, 106:24, 109:19, next [9] - 20:20,
54:25, 55:7, 55:10, 94:20, 94:24, 95:1, 125:9, 125:13, 114:1, 118:4, 134:13 24:25, 28:2, 33:12,
55:18, 55:20, 55:24, 95:9, 95:14, 95:20, 125:21, 125:25, Names [1] - 2:8 49:21, 64:12, 74:6,
56:6, 56:14, 56:25, 95:25, 96:13, 96:16, 126:3, 126:17, names [1] - 86:12 96:6, 122:5
57:3, 57:7, 57:15, 96:19, 96:23, 97:14, 126:22, 126:25, National [1] - 37:9 NGA [11] - 5:10,
57:25, 58:7, 58:9, 97:19, 97:23, 98:4, 127:2, 127:6, 127:10, national [7] - 11:9, 6:11, 6:14, 37:9, 38:1,
58:17, 58:20, 59:1, 98:25, 99:6, 100:10, 127:12, 127:14, 13:18, 50:9, 50:10, 39:15, 49:7, 49:20,
59:3, 59:5, 59:16, 101:6, 102:5, 103:9, 127:17, 127:22, 117:14, 128:13, 73:11, 87:10, 117:11
60:14, 61:6, 61:11, 103:15, 103:22, 128:1, 128:4, 128:10, 128:17 nice [5] - 26:15,
61:20, 61:25, 62:6, 104:16, 104:21, 128:12, 128:16, nattily [1] - 21:11 32:17, 91:17, 119:11,
62:9, 62:11, 62:15, 105:2, 105:7, 105:15, 128:24, 129:2, 129:5, naturally [1] - 63:8 141:25
62:18, 62:20, 62:24, 105:19, 105:25, 129:8, 129:15, NCED [2] - 96:6, 96:7 night [4] - 37:5,
63:4, 63:6, 63:11, 106:3, 106:9, 106:13, 129:18, 129:20, NCED/ReadyOne [1] 38:16, 39:11, 115:10
63:17, 64:6, 64:9, 106:16, 106:21, 129:23, 130:1, nights [1] - 36:5
- 97:6
64:25, 65:5, 65:8, 106:25, 107:2, 107:4, 130:12, 130:15,
NCSE [1] - 97:9 nine [5] - 18:19,
65:20, 66:1, 66:4, 107:7, 107:10, 130:18, 131:11,
NCWC [1] - 97:9 46:23, 80:8, 111:1,
66:8, 66:12, 66:15, 107:12, 107:16, 131:14, 132:18,
near [3] - 49:8, 111:2
66:18, 66:21, 67:3, 107:22, 107:25, 133:1, 133:5, 133:8,
49:13, 87:10 NISH [25] - 26:13,
67:5, 67:10, 67:14, 108:7, 108:9, 108:11, 133:10, 134:4,
necessarily [2] - 27:17, 29:6, 32:24,
67:22, 67:25, 68:8, 108:15, 108:17, 135:19, 136:4, 136:9,
55:4, 111:17 38:7, 74:6, 76:24,
68:22, 68:24, 69:4, 108:23, 109:3, 109:6, 136:15, 136:17,
necessary [1] - 77:4, 77:23, 80:16,
69:7, 69:19, 70:2, 109:8, 109:11, 137:2, 137:10,
17:12 80:17, 81:4, 81:17,
71:2, 71:4, 71:10, 109:15, 109:18, 137:12, 137:17,
need [63] - 4:1, 6:7, 85:11, 88:6, 88:7,
71:12, 71:19, 71:23, 109:22, 110:3, 110:6, 137:20, 137:24,
8:13, 10:24, 14:25, 89:14, 97:7, 100:7,
72:2, 72:5, 72:11, 110:10, 110:12, 138:3, 138:6, 138:9,
15:13, 17:14, 25:24, 105:25, 106:14,
72:16, 72:21, 73:1, 110:14, 110:19, 138:14, 138:18,
25:25, 26:5, 26:19, 128:2, 128:21,
73:4, 73:6, 73:11, 110:24, 111:3, 111:9, 138:24, 139:5, 139:8,
26:21, 26:25, 29:5, 129:10, 129:23
73:14, 73:19, 73:21, 111:15, 111:22, 139:22, 140:4,
29:22, 29:24, 30:9, NISH's [2] - 33:18,
73:24, 74:4, 74:10, 111:24, 112:3, 112:6, 140:11, 140:14,
30:24, 35:19, 36:3, 53:24
75:2, 75:5, 75:13, 112:10, 112:14, 140:19, 140:22,
37:4, 37:22, 38:3, nobody [2] - 43:3,
76:7, 76:10, 76:14, 112:17, 113:1, 113:4, 141:7, 141:10,
38:4, 38:5, 38:13, 44:16
76:20, 76:25, 77:8, 113:6, 113:12, 141:14, 141:20,
45:9, 47:2, 47:5, Nobody [1] - 95:15
77:11, 77:14, 77:16, 113:19, 113:21, 141:24, 142:7, 142:9,
57:20, 59:8, 59:11, noise [3] - 18:2,
77:20, 77:24, 78:3, 114:2, 114:7, 114:11, 142:12, 142:19,
59:12, 60:5, 60:6, 43:9, 52:3
78:9, 78:17, 78:20, 114:13, 114:15, 142:22, 143:3, 143:6,
60:19, 61:16, 67:23, nominated [1] -
79:3, 79:5, 79:12, 115:2, 115:4, 115:7, 143:8, 143:23, 143:25
12
11:10 occurred [1] - 80:24 opened [1] - 92:2 19:13, 19:20, 21:13, paying [2] - 37:1,
nominating [1] - October [3] - 142:10, openly [1] - 63:2 22:5 56:21
11:12 142:15, 143:1 operates [1] - 90:20 Peckham [15] - 6:24,
nondisclosure [5] - OF [3] - 145:1, 145:2, operations [2] - P 55:1, 55:11, 96:6,
101:16, 101:18, 145:3 83:11, 83:17 97:3, 97:4, 97:18,
101:21, 101:23, offended [1] - 4:4 opinion [1] - 94:20 packaged [1] - 68:22 97:21, 97:24, 98:6,
134:19 office [9] - 20:5, opportunities [1] - page [1] - 145:11 98:13, 99:11, 101:1,
none [1] - 56:22 20:17, 24:18, 50:3, 130:25 Pages [4] - 1:9, 1:10, 103:19, 116:25
nonprofit [1] - 53:23 50:7, 50:9, 67:2, 81:1, opportunity [4] - 7:4, 1:11, 1:12 peep [1] - 50:25
nonsense [1] - 118:5 7:5, 47:4, 91:23 Pagliarello [1] - peers [1] - 11:10
143:12 officer [4] - 89:15, opposing [1] - 134:5 75:19 people [67] - 10:14,
normal [3] - 15:1, 89:17, 108:22, 113:10 opposite [1] - 125:6 Pagliarulo [3] - 10:20, 11:22, 12:18,
61:23, 92:2 officers [1] - 88:6 Opps [1] - 89:9 118:2, 118:4, 118:5 15:17, 18:1, 21:20,
normally [1] - 56:16 offshoot [1] - 49:3 ops [2] - 74:14, pain [1] - 10:19 22:7, 26:7, 28:6, 28:9,
Northcentral [4] - often [1] - 20:3 74:23 paper [6] - 16:3, 28:18, 29:9, 32:17,
74:7, 77:24, 79:14, OIG [3] - 118:25, opt [1] - 143:10 19:8, 28:13, 58:14, 34:2, 34:5, 34:6,
100:11 139:11, 144:4 opted [6] - 48:13, 59:7, 60:6 34:11, 36:25, 47:16,
Northwest [1] - OIP [1] - 80:15 62:4, 62:5, 79:23, paperwork [5] - 47:20, 48:23, 48:24,
79:15 old [3] - 12:19, 68:4, 138:5, 140:8 60:16, 60:21, 61:13, 52:10, 56:7, 65:10,
not-for-profit [1] - 120:11 opter [1] - 62:12 113:4, 114:5 71:2, 74:15, 75:19,
116:8 Olynyk [2] - 1:24, opting [1] - 123:6 parade [1] - 68:12 80:22, 85:16, 85:18,
Notary [1] - 145:24 145:24 option [2] - 89:16, parent [1] - 115:25 92:11, 93:16, 95:2,
note [1] - 129:12 Omar [4] - 122:24, 89:19 parenthetical [1] - 97:1, 97:2, 97:5, 97:6,
notes [1] - 135:6 126:4, 133:19, 134:7 opum [1] - 128:6 2:5 97:11, 98:7, 98:10,
Notes [1] - 145:10 once [2] - 6:2, opus [1] - 128:6 parents [1] - 12:22 98:13, 99:1, 99:12,
NOTES [1] - 2:1 112:10 part [25] - 33:19, 99:13, 99:18, 99:19,
order [2] - 46:6,
nothing [15] - 16:11, one [86] - 5:20, 7:5, 33:20, 41:23, 42:1, 99:21, 100:1, 100:19,
52:14
33:9, 36:6, 37:4, 76:2, 7:7, 7:19, 13:23, 48:19, 55:21, 61:25, 100:22, 101:7,
ordered [1] - 138:15
81:3, 104:4, 104:6, 14:18, 15:7, 15:16, 62:4, 64:4, 67:19, 102:19, 111:4, 111:5,
orders [2] - 66:22,
112:23, 112:25, 16:10, 19:1, 20:1, 71:19, 71:20, 72:5, 116:11, 118:17,
66:23
136:3, 137:5, 137:7 20:22, 20:24, 21:6, 79:21, 84:22, 84:24, 123:6, 123:10,
organization [8] -
notice [8] - 47:4, 29:4, 31:17, 37:18, 85:10, 95:7, 97:9, 123:14, 123:20,
46:8, 46:9, 47:7,
49:16, 52:7, 116:12, 37:23, 38:15, 44:2, 101:14, 104:24, 124:2, 131:1, 135:3
47:13, 52:12, 113:23,
142:4, 142:10, 45:12, 45:14, 46:21, 119:20, 123:15, people's [1] - 52:5
131:5, 131:25
142:15, 143:1 49:10, 49:11, 49:16, 125:4, 142:13 per [1] - 27:19
organization's [1] -
notified [2] - 74:18, 49:24, 50:6, 50:8, partially [1] - 121:14 percentage [1] -
130:24
74:19 51:1, 51:3, 51:25, participate [1] - 87:8 26:23
organizational [1] -
notifying [1] - 60:10 52:3, 53:7, 55:12, particular [1] - 46:14 Perez [1] - 133:19
47:15
notwithstanding [1] 57:8, 57:11, 57:12, parties [2] - 145:13, performance [2] -
organizations [1] -
- 134:21 57:15, 62:12, 68:24, 145:14 86:23, 113:17
47:22
NTI [1] - 6:22 70:3, 71:6, 71:7, partner [7] - 19:16, perpetrator [1] -
orientation [1] - 3:2
number [9] - 52:20, 72:11, 76:3, 76:4, 22:6, 23:9, 23:15, 111:1
originally [1] - 68:25
55:12, 62:12, 66:11, 76:23, 79:12, 83:3, 68:25, 91:21, 92:11 perplexed [1] - 76:3
otherwise [1] - 21:22
97:15, 97:16, 100:8, 83:9, 84:22, 86:13, partner/general [1] - Perry [1] - 135:15
ought [3] - 7:21,
100:18, 123:17 87:14, 88:5, 93:8, 128:12 person [8] - 74:8,
20:16, 32:2
numbers [2] - 93:10, 95:17, 95:18, 95:22, partners [3] - 22:8, 77:21, 77:22, 96:1,
outcome [1] - 145:15
94:16 95:25, 96:5, 97:15, 22:9, 128:18 100:3, 113:23,
outside [3] - 4:14,
numerous [1] - 97:16, 100:8, 100:18, parts [1] - 40:5 121:19, 141:17
65:1, 65:22
134:8 105:8, 108:24, party [2] - 44:22, personal [1] - 131:6
overcome [1] -
110:16, 113:6, 115:8, 145:14 personally [8] - 88:5,
120:14
115:21, 117:17, Paso [1] - 97:5 88:22, 131:17,
O 118:7, 120:4, 123:9,
overnight [1] -
131:24, 132:22,
passed [3] - 16:7,
120:16
o'clock [4] - 3:5, 123:17, 125:5, 23:14, 44:24 135:9, 136:6, 136:18
oversee [1] - 74:21
35:14, 35:16, 38:19 130:10, 135:8, passing [1] - 128:24 Petco [2] - 134:18,
oversight [3] - 57:9,
objective [1] - 78:25 135:21, 140:5, 141:17 password [1] - 134:20
57:13, 104:23
obvious [4] - 22:10, ones [2] - 41:13, 129:10 Peter [1] - 34:2
overturn [1] - 98:21
34:11, 44:10, 93:20 95:22 past [2] - 86:23, Peterson [1] - 127:3
own [8] - 26:2, 26:24,
obviously [6] - 5:13, ongoing [1] - 27:24 113:16 Ph.D [1] - 96:4
27:2, 27:3, 67:2, 67:7,
13:10, 44:7, 45:10, open [3] - 28:19, Paula [2] - 134:5, phase [1] - 86:19
81:3, 106:14
82:3, 128:5 52:14, 91:16 134:12 phone [6] - 5:7,
owned [5] - 17:19,
13
39:12, 56:9, 80:19, power [2] - 54:16, procurement [3] - 145:10 quite [3] - 42:6, 53:7,
80:21, 82:1 63:18 85:16, 85:17, 95:12 prudent [1] - 91:10 105:12
phonetically [1] - 2:9 powering [1] - 10:19 products [1] - 100:5 psychological [1] - quotidian [2] - 131:7,
picked [4] - 11:15, practice [1] - 17:11 profit [5] - 68:2, 127:19 131:12
123:21, 123:22, 124:3 practices [1] - 68:15, 116:7, 116:8, psychologist [2] -
piece [1] - 51:12 131:12 116:10 62:17, 63:1 R
pilot [2] - 17:20, 34:4 praised [1] - 63:25 program [12] - 22:20, psychology [2] -
pinched [3] - 9:19, preached [1] - 40:21, 43:22, 44:14, 63:19, 66:5 radar [6] - 52:5, 87:9,
9:25, 10:3 119:23 45:25, 68:17, 95:14, Public [1] - 145:24 87:13, 108:3, 108:7,
pissed [1] - 96:25 presence [5] - 59:18, 95:16, 100:3, 101:22, public [1] - 99:9 117:17
pisses [1] - 29:16 61:1, 61:9, 72:12, 106:14, 143:24 publicly [1] - 25:6 raining [1] - 68:11
place [1] - 44:4 72:24 program's [1] - Puerto [12] - 7:17, raise [1] - 99:15
placed [1] - 132:7 present [5] - 49:12, 97:15 57:11, 57:12, 59:6, raised [1] - 134:4
places [1] - 44:7 49:17, 117:20, 132:11 progress [1] - 57:19 59:18, 59:23, 71:25, rampage [1] - 102:25
placing [2] - 29:9, presentation [4] - project [48] - 17:20, 72:8, 72:13, 72:17, ran [1] - 5:20
36:25 21:12, 21:23, 22:16, 28:18, 31:5, 31:12, 72:24, 112:23 range [1] - 10:22
plan [7] - 31:6, 22:23 31:25, 34:4, 37:9, pull [2] - 95:10, rating [1] - 89:19
31:14, 32:1, 33:14, presenting [1] - 38:10, 38:23, 39:9, 95:11 reach [1] - 132:22
69:20, 78:21, 139:19 30:16 39:15, 41:21, 43:21, pulled [1] - 42:17 read [7] - 13:19,
plane [1] - 61:15 president [2] - 54:6, 45:9, 46:14, 47:8, purchase [1] - 60:21, 114:8, 122:3,
play [3] - 56:8, 66:6, 131:25 47:10, 49:8, 50:22, 134:12 127:23, 127:24,
91:24 press [1] - 12:8 51:23, 51:25, 52:19, pure [1] - 98:8 132:16
played [2] - 63:13, pretending [1] - 85:1 57:11, 57:12, 59:25, purpose [1] - 11:6 reading [1] - 130:15
132:1 pretty [29] - 9:9, 63:3, 63:8, 63:24, purposely [2] - reads [1] - 119:17
playing [2] - 107:14, 11:23, 12:14, 15:6, 72:8, 73:16, 75:3, 35:16, 64:13 ready [4] - 49:12,
122:13 15:8, 23:19, 26:23, 75:4, 76:3, 76:18, push [5] - 57:20, 49:17, 51:2, 117:20
pocket [1] - 85:21 26:25, 48:9, 55:14, 78:18, 86:25, 87:6, 59:8, 61:16, 91:3, ReadyOne [2] - 96:6,
point [12] - 48:15, 71:7, 71:19, 82:16, 87:10, 88:1, 88:8, 111:16 96:7
65:23, 73:25, 83:21, 90:8, 90:11, 90:13, 88:17, 95:6, 97:3, pushing [1] - 60:1 real [14] - 22:22,
86:16, 93:12, 97:17, 100:21, 103:16, 97:4, 109:12, 117:11, put [27] - 18:12, 23:20, 24:19, 30:20,
110:10, 122:17, 104:9, 104:10, 105:2, 139:17, 143:18 25:13, 27:25, 28:24, 30:23, 32:15, 91:23,
128:24, 134:25, 105:9, 105:16, 106:5, projects [17] - 13:11, 32:18, 35:14, 35:22, 126:8, 134:15,
143:14 109:8, 109:23, 41:6, 44:24, 45:9, 39:20, 39:23, 43:22, 134:16, 136:15,
pointed [1] - 141:11 110:21, 113:8, 115:5 47:3, 49:5, 56:20, 44:14, 45:6, 46:16, 144:12
poison [1] - 25:13 previous [1] - 4:11 91:17, 91:23, 93:6, 49:15, 56:2, 67:7, realize [7] - 48:20,
policy [1] - 17:10 PRIDE [16] - 13:11, 94:19, 99:24, 100:5, 67:12, 68:17, 98:14, 65:3, 65:5, 74:13,
40:14, 40:18, 40:19, 106:13, 111:11, 105:7, 106:14, 113:7, 74:15, 82:24, 83:5
political [1] - 103:16
40:22, 41:1, 41:2, 113:18, 119:8 125:10, 128:19, realizing [1] - 32:6
pollination [1] -
41:5, 44:18, 44:19, promised [1] - 58:4 137:15, 141:3 really [59] - 3:11, 5:2,
99:22
44:24, 45:13, 51:10, proof [2] - 99:13, puts [1] - 125:18 10:7, 12:18, 14:9,
pool [2] - 47:19, 92:6
71:5, 138:19, 143:18 99:15 putting [2] - 40:8, 17:12, 21:22, 23:22,
poor [2] - 24:8,
private [1] - 20:11 proper [1] - 101:10 92:24 26:11, 26:18, 27:2,
118:14
privately [1] - 18:15 properly [1] - 27:18 27:6, 27:18, 28:7,
Portco [2] - 102:18,
proposal [6] - 59:12,
136:1 privileged [1] - 131:3 Q 28:8, 28:11, 29:2,
problem [18] - 15:12, 59:13, 59:24, 59:25, 30:8, 30:24, 32:19,
Portco's [1] - 139:24
21:18, 29:21, 30:3, 113:7, 140:7 qualified [3] - 60:24, 33:9, 33:10, 35:4,
portrays [1] - 83:2
30:12, 30:13, 34:12, proposals [1] - 60:20 93:16, 94:21 36:22, 37:11, 42:8,
position [7] - 66:23,
36:8, 43:7, 43:8, protecting [1] - questioning [1] - 43:3, 43:5, 44:25,
77:13, 84:11, 127:16,
43:14, 60:10, 62:2, 131:2 80:19 50:19, 54:12, 57:8,
131:24, 132:7, 134:1
74:5, 104:17, 104:25, protection [1] - questions [8] - 57:19, 58:21, 58:22,
positioning [1] -
127:1, 132:18 131:4 26:22, 46:6, 56:14, 59:21, 62:17, 67:17,
69:22
problematic [4] - protesting [1] - 58:23, 114:7, 121:16, 69:19, 81:22, 82:9,
positions [2] - 49:2,
28:24, 30:9, 37:3, 105:9 125:2, 141:11 82:10, 85:4, 85:16,
131:3
137:6 prove [10] - 67:22, quick [2] - 104:10, 97:11, 98:6, 100:1,
possible [4] -
process [14] - 5:2, 80:9, 81:6, 81:16, 126:8 100:18, 101:6,
113:12, 113:16, 119:3
7:1, 63:21, 64:4, 64:8, 81:23, 82:11, 82:12, quicker [1] - 143:14 102:15, 105:17,
potential [2] - 71:13,
65:11, 84:24, 86:8, 89:25, 104:19 quiet [2] - 25:16, 119:4, 123:6, 123:8,
131:4
98:23, 99:2, 102:20, proves [1] - 134:23 82:10 134:24, 137:4, 140:8,
Potomac [1] - 49:21
103:13, 104:23, provided [1] - 2:3 quieter [1] - 82:13 144:12
pound [1] - 78:25
139:25 provisions [1] - quietly [1] - 57:4 reappointing [1] -
pour [1] - 17:14
14
18:22 rely [2] - 80:24, 84:1 retaliating [1] - 18:25, 19:6, 19:8, 68:24, 69:4, 69:7,
rear [1] - 118:25 relying [2] - 83:25, 112:14 19:12, 19:15, 19:20, 69:19, 70:2, 71:2,
reason [9] - 32:15, 84:4 retaliation [4] - 19:24, 20:7, 20:19, 71:4, 71:10, 71:12,
33:10, 44:24, 83:15, remember [16] - 111:17, 112:4, 20:24, 21:2, 21:10, 71:19, 71:23, 72:2,
95:3, 95:7, 95:10, 22:11, 32:3, 37:24, 135:20, 144:11 21:15, 22:4, 22:16, 72:5, 72:11, 72:16,
100:4, 127:22 43:18, 44:12, 58:11, retirement [1] - 23:8, 23:13, 23:25, 72:21, 73:1, 73:4,
reasons [4] - 32:18, 58:15, 61:23, 80:23, 69:20 24:3, 24:11, 24:21, 73:6, 73:11, 73:14,
38:15, 94:21, 95:3 88:24, 89:3, 95:5, revamping [2] - 64:7, 24:24, 25:5, 25:11, 73:19, 73:21, 73:24,
receive [1] - 133:22 95:19, 138:17 64:8 25:16, 25:23, 26:10, 74:4, 74:10, 75:2,
receiving [2] - 29:9, remind [4] - 6:6, revenue [5] - 26:24, 27:5, 27:17, 27:21, 75:5, 75:13, 76:7,
29:10 7:20, 57:22, 88:20 41:25, 55:12, 97:16, 28:15, 29:2, 29:12, 76:10, 76:14, 76:20,
recently [3] - 16:7, reminds [1] - 43:18 100:7 30:2, 30:22, 31:16, 76:25, 77:8, 77:11,
44:25, 119:19 rendered [1] - 132:7 review [2] - 60:5, 31:20, 31:22, 32:6, 77:14, 77:16, 77:20,
recommendation [1] renders [1] - 135:15 65:10 32:13, 32:24, 33:3, 77:24, 78:3, 78:9,
- 58:12 renewing [1] - 143:4 revised [1] - 63:21 33:23, 34:1, 34:8, 78:17, 78:20, 79:3,
recommended [2] - replacement [1] - revisions [1] - 85:2 34:19, 35:3, 35:7, 79:5, 79:12, 79:17,
133:21, 133:25 10:2 rhetorical [1] - 48:13 35:10, 36:2, 36:12, 79:20, 80:2, 80:4,
recommending [2] - report [4] - 58:15, Rhett [2] - 50:11, 36:20, 37:7, 37:14, 80:11, 80:14, 81:10,
143:20, 144:1 64:3, 98:14, 98:15 50:13 37:21, 38:3, 38:21, 81:15, 81:22, 82:9,
reconvene [1] - REPORTER [1] - Rhonda [2] - 1:24, 39:5, 39:23, 40:1, 82:18, 82:23, 83:2,
87:22 145:1 145:24 40:3, 40:8, 40:11, 83:9, 83:13, 83:23,
record [5] - 29:3, represent [1] - 132:8 Rick [3] - 79:14, 40:17, 41:4, 41:9, 84:4, 84:7, 84:10,
32:18, 101:17, 125:21 represents [1] - 117:2, 117:24 41:20, 41:25, 42:5, 84:13, 84:15, 84:18,
recordings [2] - 2:3, 100:6 Rico [12] - 7:17, 42:16, 42:20, 43:21, 84:22, 85:4, 85:8,
145:6 57:11, 57:12, 59:6, 44:4, 44:6, 44:10, 85:11, 85:14, 85:24,
reprimand [1] -
red [1] - 29:23 59:18, 59:23, 71:25, 44:16, 44:19, 44:21, 86:3, 86:6, 86:11,
133:22
72:8, 72:13, 72:17, 45:12, 45:16, 45:19, 86:15, 86:19, 86:22,
Redbox [1] - 11:25 requesting [1] -
72:24, 112:24 45:22, 46:2, 46:5, 87:5, 87:14, 87:16,
redo [1] - 125:2 46:19
46:16, 46:25, 47:2, 87:19, 87:25, 88:9,
refer [2] - 133:11, requirement [2] - ridiculous [2] - 34:9,
47:7, 47:12, 47:19, 88:13, 88:15, 88:19,
133:13 46:17, 48:24 102:1
47:22, 47:25, 48:7, 88:24, 89:2, 89:6,
referred [1] - 56:23 research [6] - 69:11, rings [1] - 39:13
48:12, 48:18, 49:2, 89:10, 89:13, 89:20,
reflecting [1] - 69:16, 99:16, 99:24, risk [4] - 15:10, 16:4,
49:9, 49:14, 49:23, 89:23, 90:2, 90:6,
119:19 115:17, 116:2 131:5, 134:22
50:5, 50:8, 50:11, 90:8, 90:11, 90:19,
reflection [1] - 130:3 resign [3] - 37:16, Robinson [5] - 2:4,
50:13, 50:23, 51:5, 90:25, 91:5, 91:9,
regard [2] - 55:25, 131:16, 132:2 131:17, 132:20,
51:9, 51:15, 51:18, 91:12, 91:19, 91:21,
134:10 resignation [2] - 135:4, 136:19
51:23, 52:3, 52:10, 92:5, 92:9, 92:14,
regarding [6] - 130:6, 132:20 ROBINSON [612] -
52:18, 52:24, 53:2, 92:17, 92:24, 93:1,
29:15, 131:18, resigned [1] - 106:22 3:2, 3:10, 3:17, 3:25,
53:5, 53:11, 53:16, 93:4, 93:8, 93:15,
131:21, 134:9, resigning [3] - 4:9, 4:21, 5:4, 5:14,
53:19, 54:1, 54:5, 93:19, 93:22, 94:1,
136:19, 136:23 120:18, 121:6, 137:3 5:17, 6:1, 6:6, 6:9,
54:9, 54:12, 54:18, 94:3, 94:8, 94:10,
regards [2] - 88:10, resolution [2] - 6:11, 6:13, 6:16, 6:19,
54:21, 54:23, 54:25, 94:13, 94:16, 94:20,
132:23 64:19, 124:8 6:22, 6:24, 7:1, 7:8,
55:7, 55:10, 55:18, 94:24, 95:1, 95:9,
region [6] - 7:8, 26:8, Resource [1] - 51:13 7:10, 7:13, 7:20, 7:25,
55:20, 55:24, 56:6, 95:14, 95:20, 95:25,
28:6, 54:7, 55:8, resource [1] - 85:20 8:4, 8:7, 8:11, 8:14,
56:14, 56:25, 57:3, 96:13, 96:16, 96:19,
77:25 resources [3] - 9:2, 9:4, 9:7, 9:9,
57:7, 57:15, 57:25, 96:23, 97:14, 97:19,
regions [3] - 56:4, 133:15, 134:9, 134:11 9:13, 9:16, 9:24, 10:9,
58:7, 58:9, 58:17, 97:23, 98:4, 98:25,
75:10, 75:18 Resources [1] - 10:11, 10:18, 11:2,
58:20, 59:1, 59:3, 99:6, 100:10, 101:6,
regular [1] - 113:10 51:11 11:5, 11:15, 11:19,
59:5, 59:16, 60:14, 102:5, 103:9, 103:15,
reinforce [1] - 132:4 response [1] - 60:20 11:22, 12:2, 12:7,
61:6, 61:11, 61:20, 103:22, 104:16,
related [4] - 6:11, responsibilities [3] - 12:15, 12:17, 12:24,
61:25, 62:6, 62:9, 104:21, 105:2, 105:7,
26:3, 145:12, 145:15 66:10, 130:20, 130:23 13:3, 13:6, 13:9,
62:11, 62:15, 62:18, 105:15, 105:19,
relationship [5] - responsibility [1] - 13:14, 13:16, 13:22,
62:20, 62:24, 63:4, 105:25, 106:3, 106:9,
27:17, 29:25, 38:7, 132:6 14:1, 14:7, 14:15,
63:6, 63:11, 63:17, 106:13, 106:16,
133:18, 135:15 responsible [1] - 14:17, 14:23, 15:4,
64:6, 64:9, 64:25, 106:21, 106:25,
relative [3] - 131:22, 104:23 15:16, 15:20, 15:23,
65:5, 65:8, 65:20, 107:2, 107:4, 107:7,
136:23, 145:13 rest [7] - 45:2, 49:4, 16:1, 16:9, 16:15,
66:1, 66:4, 66:8, 107:10, 107:12,
religion [4] - 31:20, 56:7, 79:23, 82:5, 16:20, 16:22, 16:25,
66:12, 66:15, 66:18, 107:16, 107:22,
33:5, 33:6, 79:24 83:6, 106:4 17:3, 17:7, 17:17,
66:21, 67:3, 67:5, 107:25, 108:7, 108:9,
reluctance [2] - 17:23, 18:5, 18:7,
result [2] - 83:17, 67:10, 67:14, 67:22, 108:11, 108:15,
132:3 18:9, 18:12, 18:21,
130:5 67:25, 68:8, 68:22, 108:17, 108:23,
15
109:3, 109:6, 109:8, 136:15, 136:17, 32:11, 126:9, 126:17, 46:22, 113:25 shed [1] - 71:16
109:11, 109:15, 137:2, 137:10, 130:14 selection [1] - 86:16 shit [2] - 68:16, 84:7
109:18, 109:22, 137:12, 137:17, scoop [1] - 103:2 semi [1] - 92:2 shocks [1] - 25:18
110:3, 110:6, 110:10, 137:20, 137:24, Scorsini [3] - 95:21, semi-normal [1] - shoddy [1] - 140:24
110:12, 110:14, 138:3, 138:6, 138:9, 122:9, 127:6 92:2 shooter [1] - 74:25
110:19, 110:24, 138:14, 138:18, SCOTT [1] - 145:3 Senators [2] - 98:15, short [1] - 131:1
111:3, 111:9, 111:15, 138:24, 139:5, 139:8, Scott [1] - 145:24 104:9 shortly [2] - 110:8
111:22, 111:24, 139:22, 140:4, screen [3] - 47:3, send [6] - 59:9, shots [2] - 25:9,
112:3, 112:6, 112:10, 140:11, 140:14, 52:5, 81:12 65:15, 114:5, 126:17, 25:12
112:14, 112:17, 140:19, 140:22, screening [3] - 127:24, 129:12 shoulder [2] - 10:1
113:1, 113:4, 113:6, 141:7, 141:10, 52:15, 71:13, 91:25 sends [3] - 128:2, shoulders [1] - 60:25
113:12, 113:19, 141:14, 141:20, screw [1] - 92:22 129:21, 129:23 show [4] - 96:8,
113:21, 114:2, 114:7, 141:24, 142:7, 142:9, scrub [1] - 101:8 senior [2] - 3:13, 98:12, 104:19, 131:9
114:11, 114:13, 142:12, 142:19, se [1] - 27:19 28:3 showed [1] - 18:3
114:15, 115:2, 115:4, 142:22, 143:3, 143:6, SEAL [1] - 145:19 sense [4] - 7:14, showing [1] - 138:20
115:7, 115:10, 143:8, 143:23, 143:25 Sears [1] - 11:24 22:14, 32:18, 79:11 shows [1] - 18:9
115:12, 115:15, Rock [1] - 32:4 second [3] - 5:22, sent [8] - 60:7, 60:9, shut [1] - 63:4
115:19, 115:22, role [5] - 36:8, 36:12, 130:10, 130:11 101:14, 122:3, side [5] - 10:23, 25:3,
115:25, 116:7, 77:20, 131:25, 132:14 secret [22] - 40:20, 129:14, 137:25, 77:5, 111:4, 122:12
116:12, 116:15, rolled [1] - 63:19 41:13, 43:10, 43:13, 143:17, 144:12 sides [2] - 34:23,
116:17, 116:20, room [4] - 4:5, 9:12, 43:14, 44:8, 45:18, sentencing [1] - 77:5
116:23, 117:2, 117:5, 80:20, 82:1 46:7, 46:8, 46:9, 75:20 sign [5] - 101:15,
117:8, 117:10, roost [1] - 102:9 46:10, 47:5, 47:15, September [3] - 101:18, 101:21,
117:13, 117:15, rose [1] - 35:12 48:15, 48:25, 51:2, 130:7, 137:13, 145:20 102:3, 102:7
117:18, 117:22, rotator [1] - 10:2 52:8, 53:2, 56:17, serious [1] - 108:10 signed [5] - 74:16,
118:1, 118:3, 118:6, round [2] - 94:16, 92:12, 92:15, 119:22 serve [1] - 130:4 94:11, 102:2, 102:14,
118:9, 118:13, 95:24 Security [3] - 89:8, services [1] - 100:5 124:17
118:16, 118:19, routine [1] - 134:11 97:3, 99:19 ServiceSource [25] - significant [2] -
118:22, 119:4, 119:8, rubber [2] - 58:18, security [1] - 5:13 13:12, 37:10, 38:8, 76:18, 131:1
119:11, 119:15, 58:23 see [57] - 7:2, 8:1, 38:9, 38:10, 38:22, signing [1] - 101:23
119:24, 120:1, 120:6, rubber-stamp [2] - 9:16, 16:22, 20:3, 38:25, 40:14, 40:18, silence [2] - 82:2,
120:10, 120:17, 58:18, 58:23 39:19, 55:6, 55:9, 40:19, 40:22, 41:10, 112:11
120:22, 120:25, Ruben [11] - 2:4, 56:6, 59:7, 59:11, 41:11, 41:21, 42:23, silent [1] - 118:23
121:2, 121:5, 121:7, 13:6, 46:20, 47:13, 59:12, 66:1, 67:5, 43:4, 44:18, 44:19, silly [2] - 24:11,
121:9, 121:13, 61:8, 63:2, 74:13, 73:2, 74:13, 79:8, 45:12, 51:11, 51:13, 91:24
121:23, 122:9, 112:22, 115:3, 138:10 79:19, 92:17, 101:5, 51:24, 55:1, 71:5 simply [4] - 68:18,
122:12, 122:15, rules [2] - 83:19, 101:9, 103:14, serving [10] - 97:6, 97:7, 99:10, 132:9
122:20, 122:24, 101:23 106:12, 108:11, 97:11, 98:7, 98:10, single [1] - 41:5
123:3, 123:12,
run [5] - 69:13, 112:19, 117:7, 98:13, 99:11, 99:13, single-handedly [1]
123:19, 124:7,
69:23, 72:8, 85:25, 121:23, 126:7, 127:7, 99:21, 100:18, 101:6 - 41:5
124:11, 124:19,
124:4 128:5, 128:15, 129:1, session [3] - 14:2,
124:22, 124:24, sister [1] - 108:25
129:10, 129:11, 14:5, 57:16 sit [2] - 25:25, 125:2
125:9, 125:13,
125:21, 125:25,
S 132:3, 133:2, 133:8, set [8] - 43:24, 44:4, sits [2] - 50:16,
134:14, 134:17, 47:9, 65:2, 68:14,
126:3, 126:17, 142:23
SAIC [5] - 14:18, 134:25, 135:22, 84:5, 123:25, 124:1
126:22, 126:25, sitting [2] - 4:22,
15:7, 15:8, 16:5, 136:10, 136:11, sets [1] - 52:24
127:2, 127:6, 127:10, 75:20
45:20 139:1, 139:4, 139:12, setting [1] - 112:8
127:12, 127:14, situation [2] - 37:23,
Sally [2] - 62:1, 140:12, 140:16, settle [1] - 19:2
127:17, 127:22, 90:23
105:17 141:11, 143:12, settled [2] - 104:12,
128:1, 128:4, 128:10, situations [1] - 64:12
San [2] - 89:9, 143:13, 143:14, 144:9 144:8
128:12, 128:16, 116:25 six [1] - 53:1
seeing [1] - 19:21 settlement [2] -
128:24, 129:2, 129:5, saw [1] - 10:20 sizeable [1] - 72:2
seem [6] - 20:17, 74:16, 111:25
129:8, 129:15, Scanlon's [2] - skeptical [2] - 78:12,
22:19, 31:2, 42:11, sexual [1] - 133:17
129:18, 129:20, 78:13
134:6, 134:12 79:17, 79:22 sham [2] - 68:14,
129:23, 130:1, sketchy [2] - 78:12,
scared [1] - 88:12 seeming [3] - 132:2, 97:12
130:12, 130:15, 78:13
scenes [2] - 20:9, 132:3 share [5] - 33:16,
130:18, 131:11, sky [1] - 118:11
83:5 sees [3] - 24:12, 74:3, 82:21, 87:2,
131:14, 132:18, slam [1] - 137:22
scheme [3] - 17:18, 121:12, 136:7 88:20
133:1, 133:5, 133:8, slapping [1] - 22:1
69:21, 136:13 select [1] - 72:23 shared [2] - 62:25,
133:10, 134:4, sleep [1] - 36:7
school [5] - 12:11, selected [3] - 38:23, 96:10
135:19, 136:4, 136:9,
16
sleeping [1] - 36:4 specifically [1] - 133:14 137:8, 137:9 50:17

sloppy [1] - 71:12 91:14 still [10] - 30:15, subtly [1] - 21:8 target [1] - 135:2
slow [2] - 13:6, speech [1] - 37:19 30:19, 66:6, 66:8, success [1] - 141:22 targeting [1] - 141:2
104:14 spelled [1] - 2:9 76:18, 92:22, 96:9, sudden [5] - 13:16, tax [1] - 27:13
slowed [1] - 80:12 Spencer [1] - 33:5 106:7, 118:12 17:23, 19:21, 25:8, team [2] - 101:17,
small [4] - 51:6, spend [2] - 35:5, stock [2] - 40:6, 40:7 31:20 122:25
71:16, 76:4, 76:17 96:2 stood [1] - 41:5 suddenly [2] - 49:17, technically [2] -
smart [7] - 20:2, spending [1] - 24:17 stop [3] - 3:22, 87:8 58:20, 102:13
32:16, 45:6, 48:20, spent [3] - 34:24, 52:15, 106:6 suggest [2] - 131:20, ten [3] - 94:18, 94:22
107:13, 123:19, 131:9 35:7, 143:16 stopped [1] - 10:21 136:21 tender [2] - 40:7,
smarter [1] - 38:4 spice [1] - 39:22 story [2] - 25:3, 77:3 suggested [1] - 130:5
smartest [1] - 82:20 spin [1] - 69:24 straight [2] - 19:18, 135:11 tenure [1] - 135:2
smiled [1] - 4:10 spirited [1] - 66:18 74:25 suit [1] - 102:18 Teresa [3] - 5:23,
smug [1] - 80:16 spiritedness [1] - straight-shooter [1] suitable [1] - 43:5 11:2
smugly [1] - 81:2 73:25 - 74:25 suitcase [2] - 43:17, Terese [1] - 12:11
snake [1] - 28:4 spoken [5] - 117:6, straightened [1] - 73:12 terms [3] - 12:21,
snow [2] - 94:5, 98:9 131:17, 136:18, 92:19 summary [1] - 60:22 134:23, 138:20
Social [2] - 97:3, 139:21, 139:23 Stream [2] - 74:7, summer [3] - 10:15, testosterone [1] -
99:19 spot [1] - 59:22 77:7 10:16, 126:15 73:22
softly [1] - 130:16 Spring [1] - 117:11 strong [2] - 100:20, summit [1] - 128:17 TFM [7] - 41:21,
software [1] - 111:19 sprung [1] - 31:5 105:2 sundown [1] - 57:18 42:11, 50:2, 50:6,
solicit [1] - 105:4 squared [1] - 6:3 structured [1] - 68:9 sundry [1] - 94:21 50:8, 68:16, 68:19
solid [1] - 61:18 SSN [2] - 47:5, 60:20 study [3] - 81:8, sunup [1] - 57:18 that'll [1] - 8:6
solutions [1] - 4:25 St [5] - 5:10, 38:24, 122:7, 127:19 supervisor [1] - themselves [2] -
someone [3] - 84:1, 45:13, 49:9 stuff [55] - 3:12, 137:3 55:5, 139:18
141:22, 141:24 staff [13] - 3:13, 3:14, 9:19, 10:4, 15:2, supplement [1] - thereafter [2] -
sometimes [6] - 28:3, 53:13, 64:1, 15:11, 21:23, 33:14, 27:24 110:8, 110:9
12:20, 78:7, 86:7, 79:6, 79:7, 85:19, 38:13, 38:14, 43:19, support [2] - 58:3, therefore [1] - 52:4
90:3, 104:14, 111:7 90:17, 132:4, 132:10, 45:1, 45:4, 51:7, 130:22 they've [17] - 3:13,
somewhat [1] - 135:6, 135:10 55:20, 66:21, 67:17, supposed [12] - 34:4, 43:22, 44:13,
120:10 stamp [5] - 58:18, 68:2, 73:8, 80:9, 15:5, 15:6, 24:25, 44:23, 45:3, 46:10,
somewhere [5] - 58:23, 67:15, 67:16 81:15, 82:14, 84:2, 29:6, 30:22, 37:1, 65:2, 88:1, 91:25,
10:7, 29:17, 46:10, stand [6] - 48:8, 89:24, 91:14, 91:15, 60:17, 63:21, 76:7, 92:15, 120:11,
47:17, 100:13 60:6, 60:23, 63:24, 91:16, 91:25, 92:19, 81:12, 83:20, 117:23 122:20, 122:21,
soon [1] - 108:6 79:12 105:10, 109:4, supposedly [3] - 142:2, 142:25
sorry [7] - 4:11, standard [1] - 124:12 118:22, 119:13, 18:23, 35:12, 75:25 thick [1] - 40:5
49:18, 63:11, 68:6, standing [3] - 77:9, 119:15, 123:7, 124:4, surprise [2] - 62:1, thinking [4] - 24:12,
72:6, 115:9, 130:17 113:2, 138:11 124:9, 125:19, 62:2 49:25, 50:1, 119:18
sort [8] - 12:4, 36:17, start [5] - 17:19, 126:12, 126:20, surprised [1] - 12:4 thinks [8] - 39:7,
61:25, 84:10, 106:22, 19:12, 19:21, 68:1, 129:5, 134:6, 137:7, survived [1] - 127:8 41:17, 54:14, 54:18,
116:18, 126:14, 111:16 138:21, 139:9, suspect [1] - 51:1 60:10, 100:17,
140:16 started [9] - 34:8, 139:18, 139:20, suspend [1] - 49:19 100:18, 140:4
sound [1] - 98:4 51:6, 54:14, 67:25, 139:22, 139:24, sustain [1] - 98:20 third [1] - 51:3
69:10, 82:4, 106:17, 139:25, 140:9, sustaining [1] - threatened [1] -
soup [2] - 14:12,
142:3, 143:12 140:24, 141:2, 141:7, 84:18 103:19
39:20
starting [3] - 3:5, 142:20 threatening [2] -
Source [2] - 115:20, SWAT [1] - 101:16
139:16, 142:16 stupid [4] - 21:23, 80:18, 135:7
116:1 sweatshirt [1] -
starts [4] - 21:17, 67:4, 119:13, 125:4 three [17] - 3:4, 3:5,
source [2] - 55:12, 126:19
23:2, 23:3, 69:2 stupider [1] - 119:13 20:4, 26:7, 28:6, 28:8,
97:16 sweet [1] - 59:22
STATE [1] - 145:2 stupidity [1] - 67:8 50:21, 50:22, 51:16,
SourceAmerica [7] - swooping [1] - 81:1
26:4, 53:13, 88:17, stations [1] - 89:8 subcontract [1] - 53:1, 104:3, 107:23,
Syria [1] - 43:24
130:5, 130:7, 130:19, statistical [1] - 99:24 51:7 108:8, 126:3, 142:4,
system [5] - 3:16,
134:22 statistics [1] - 96:8 subcontractor [6] - 143:16
64:19, 92:19, 104:18,
SourceAmerica's [1] stayed [1] - 10:15 37:9, 37:25, 38:8, three-day [2] - 3:4,
107:14
- 134:20 42:25, 68:3, 89:12 3:5
steadily [1] - 99:10 systemically [1] -
South [1] - 7:6 subject [1] - 145:10 three-month [1] -
steer [1] - 21:8 52:13
southcentral [1] - subpoena [1] - 81:3 142:4
steering [2] - 15:1,
subsidiary [2] - 49:3, threw [1] - 34:14
7:10 138:21
115:23
T
speaking [1] - 58:20 step [1] - 115:7 throw [1] - 78:7
specific [1] - 26:23 substance [2] - table [2] - 5:20, thug [3] - 82:24,
Stephanie [1] -
17
82:25, 83:6 training [4] - 3:5, 124:16, 137:21, 105:10 128:18

ticket [1] - 97:2 3:13, 4:22, 64:12 142:14, 142:22, 143:8 unfortunately [2] - veteran [4] - 19:13,
tickets [1] - 117:21 trainings [1] - 35:11 TTC [2] - 69:4, 69:5 3:3, 116:23 21:13, 22:5, 89:12
tidings [1] - 10:19 transactions [1] - TTTC [1] - 88:3 Unintelligible [1] - veteran-owned [3] -
ties [1] - 16:6 26:4 Tuesday [5] - 3:3, 128:10 19:13, 21:13, 22:5
timeline [1] - 112:8 transcribed [1] - 34:21, 60:9, 60:15 unintelligible [8] - veterans [5] - 17:19,
timing [1] - 110:3 145:5 turn [4] - 7:15, 7:16, 2:5, 25:2, 135:13, 19:20, 22:21, 26:10,
Tina [6] - 57:22, Transcribed [1] - 101:24, 101:25 135:14, 135:21, 69:1
58:6, 63:25, 87:14, 1:24 turned [3] - 9:10, 135:24, 136:10, 137:6 veterans-owned [2]
99:6 transcript [3] - 121:18, 140:23 unintelligible) [4] - - 17:19, 19:20
tired [1] - 121:17 145:8, 145:9, 145:11 Turner [32] - 6:7, 20:15, 135:21, vice [1] - 54:6
today [7] - 3:19, 4:1, TRANSCRIPTION [1] 6:13, 14:9, 16:19, 136:18, 137:2 viewed [1] - 131:15
7:15, 57:16, 60:6, - 1:5 18:4, 18:5, 22:9, 23:9, unless [3] - 48:14, vindictive [1] - 66:19
60:15, 120:18 transcription [1] - 23:13, 23:16, 23:21, 52:7, 56:21 violating [1] - 101:22
together [3] - 68:22, 2:6 24:7, 24:8, 24:13, unmanageable [1] - Virginia [2] - 87:10,
81:20, 116:6 transference [1] - 25:8, 28:10, 29:15, 34:14 117:12
Tom [1] - 50:4 105:12 35:1, 35:19, 35:20, untenable [1] - 132:7 visit [2] - 88:5,
Tomlinson [1] - transferrable [1] - 35:21, 35:22, 36:4, unwillingness [1] - 134:18
55:11 46:13 36:22, 39:7, 41:16, 132:10 visiting [1] - 88:1
tomorrow [11] - 3:4, transparent [5] - 49:4, 51:21, 58:2, up [76] - 4:1, 4:25, voice [1] - 19:6
115:12, 115:13, 64:10, 67:17, 84:24, 67:19, 71:4 5:8, 6:2, 7:13, 7:14, voices [1] - 2:2
117:8, 117:10, 122:5, 102:20, 110:15 Turner's [14] - 22:8, 11:15, 12:19, 13:17, vote [1] - 34:3
126:9, 126:10, TRDI [1] - 105:9 23:6, 28:9, 28:12, 16:1, 17:10, 18:3, voted [5] - 31:4,
129:13, 130:14, tree [1] - 141:18 29:5, 34:22, 36:16, 18:9, 21:17, 21:22, 31:10, 33:8, 33:9,
137:20 trees [1] - 140:17 41:22, 42:24, 45:3, 21:23, 22:9, 23:1, 33:10
tonight [2] - 8:12, tried [5] - 3:18, 3:21, 45:17, 51:4, 51:6, 23:2, 23:10, 23:13, voting [4] - 32:15,
122:4 5:12, 68:1, 69:4 51:12 25:5, 25:23, 28:13, 32:19, 32:20, 139:17
took [4] - 33:7, tries [1] - 30:18 turning [2] - 99:10, 30:25, 31:17, 34:13, VP [2] - 14:4, 134:9
87:14, 135:6, 140:20 trigger [1] - 103:18 104:24 35:12, 36:2, 37:5,
turns [1] - 4:2 38:15, 42:21, 43:24,
tool [1] - 52:15 triggered [1] - 104:8
48:21, 52:14, 54:6,
W
top [25] - 5:13, 7:2, trips [1] - 107:23 TV [1] - 32:3
11:9, 15:12, 40:20, trot [1] - 22:14 two [22] - 11:3, 22:7, 57:16, 57:19, 60:2, wait [1] - 40:15
41:13, 43:10, 43:13, trouble [2] - 5:24, 6:1 22:8, 40:20, 41:6, 60:4, 63:4, 65:2, 67:7, waiting [5] - 5:6, 5:7,
43:14, 44:8, 45:18, true [16] - 42:13, 45:8, 47:19, 47:22, 67:10, 68:14, 68:25, 50:1, 75:20, 144:9
46:7, 46:8, 46:9, 43:12, 53:4, 58:15, 48:24, 57:17, 63:20, 71:2, 75:15, 77:1, wake [2] - 23:10,
46:10, 47:5, 47:15, 58:17, 69:4, 78:6, 81:2, 82:22, 90:25, 79:12, 80:12, 82:9, 23:13
48:15, 48:25, 51:2, 111:3, 116:20, 92:6, 92:21, 108:8, 84:5, 87:6, 91:16, walk [1] - 45:23
52:8, 53:2, 56:17, 116:21, 119:10, 108:13, 108:14, 98:17, 100:2, 101:10, walked [4] - 4:5,
92:12, 92:15 119:24, 120:5, 145:8 137:18 103:5, 103:20, 57:16, 111:5, 135:5
top-secret [21] - types [1] - 103:16 103:25, 105:20, walking [3] - 20:15,
truly [2] - 48:17,
40:20, 41:13, 43:10, 107:2, 107:17, 109:1, 126:25, 127:2
99:21
43:13, 43:14, 44:8, Trump [3] - 19:25, U 109:9, 118:11, walks [2] - 4:1, 35:12
45:18, 46:7, 46:8, 118:24, 121:24, walled [1] - 88:25
101:15, 134:14
46:9, 46:10, 47:5, um-hmm [7] - 21:14, 124:1, 126:12, wants [8] - 4:13,
Trump's [1] - 134:18
47:15, 48:15, 48:25, 38:20, 44:15, 69:18, 135:19, 141:2, 141:18 7:16, 39:6, 76:11,
trust [4] - 96:3,
51:2, 52:8, 53:2, 79:16, 82:10, 112:2 upcoming [1] - 87:2 87:22, 97:10, 100:16,
122:16, 122:17, 136:9
56:17, 92:12, 92:15 unable [1] - 132:8 upstairs [1] - 120:2 138:7
trustworthy [1] -
torn [1] - 10:2 unaware [1] - 37:24 useful [1] - 136:12 waste [4] - 22:19,
91:5
total [1] - 38:12 uncomfortable [1] - uses [1] - 97:7 31:11, 32:14, 139:15
truth [1] - 108:21
touch [2] - 100:22, 118:15 usual [1] - 85:6 watch [3] - 83:3, 83:4
try [6] - 13:23, 51:19,
108:5 under [5] - 19:6, watching [2] - 20:12,
61:14, 80:24, 122:13,
tough [1] - 105:17 141:18
39:5, 66:22, 77:1, V 20:13
town [4] - 12:12, 112:11 water [2] - 17:14,
trying [25] - 4:23,
underground [1] - vacation [2] -
74:13, 78:11 12:21, 18:13, 19:2, 19:4
82:14 108:12, 109:24
trace [1] - 110:20 19:3, 21:8, 33:11, ways [3] - 32:7, 93:5,
Underhill [4] - 80:5, Valerie [3] - 80:20,
traces [1] - 111:2 36:2, 38:16, 38:17, 120:12
80:7, 81:25, 84:10 81:25, 143:13
track [1] - 100:6 38:21, 38:25, 42:20, wear [1] - 126:11
unexpected [1] - VanHughes [1] -
trading [1] - 103:11 64:11, 70:2, 92:5, wearing [1] - 126:9
108:12 79:14
trail [1] - 123:21 105:3, 105:15, weather [1] - 126:13
unfair [2] - 98:18, various [2] - 94:21,
trails [1] - 130:2 105:22, 108:21, wedge [1] - 122:22
18
Wednesday [1] - 33:18, 96:20, 96:23,

Z
11:17 104:17, 142:1, 142:2
week [11] - 5:5, 11:3, world [5] - 6:4, zero [1] - 94:12
12:9, 19:22, 20:4, 21:21, 44:13, 45:10, zilch [1] - 94:12
28:23, 75:15, 75:16, 92:2 ZOOM0006.WAV [3]
96:14, 98:22, 128:14 worried [2] - 36:5, - 1:9, 3:1, 8:16
weekend [5] - 59:10, 82:7 zOOM0009.WAV [1]
61:16, 114:3, 114:8, worry [1] - 76:15 - 9:1
140:20 worth [2] - 135:17, ZOOM0009.WAV [2]
weekly [1] - 56:5 136:12 - 1:10, 70:5
weeks [8] - 10:15, worthy [2] - 94:19 ZOOM0010.WAV [3]
12:13, 108:8, 108:12, wow [26] - 3:15, 4:8, - 1:11, 71:1, 114:16
108:13, 108:14, 4:20, 9:7, 11:1, 11:14, ZOOM0014.WAV [3]
137:18 11:18, 12:6, 19:23, - 1:12, 115:1, 144:15
whichever [1] - 7:4 25:4, 37:20, 39:4,
whispered [1] - 40:25, 66:3, 96:12,
119:22 102:4, 128:3, 128:11,
whoa [1] - 12:1 129:22, 132:25,
whole [26] - 6:16, 133:7, 134:3, 137:1,
12:24, 17:20, 18:19, 140:21
34:3, 34:9, 35:17, wrap [1] - 135:19
40:21, 55:4, 63:19, wrap-up [1] - 135:19
65:15, 68:5, 68:8, wrath [1] - 62:16
69:21, 78:11, 80:8, wreck [1] - 93:2
80:15, 81:5, 85:19, write [7] - 29:12,
95:15, 99:9, 102:20, 29:13, 120:20, 124:9,
105:10, 127:20, 132:19, 140:20
139:15 writing [3] - 29:17,
wider [1] - 92:6 35:23, 90:9
wiggle [1] - 51:20 written [3] - 29:3,
Willard [6] - 6:22, 99:6, 143:1
96:5, 96:17, 96:19, wronged [1] - 105:5
102:10, 104:8 wrote [4] - 102:17,
William [3] - 50:20, 109:15, 117:22, 122:2
53:17, 63:9
Williams [2] - 21:19, Y
62:13
willing [3] - 65:3, YAI [4] - 115:20,
81:19, 99:8 115:25, 116:6, 116:7
winning [1] - 59:12 yards [2] - 18:19,
winter [1] - 126:15 80:8
wish [2] - 48:22, year [21] - 9:20, 18:3,
132:21 18:9, 25:12, 46:22,
WITNESS [1] - 53:3, 53:4, 67:20,
145:19 89:16, 98:16, 100:25,
woman [2] - 3:21, 101:1, 102:9, 102:22,
119:17 103:17, 133:20,
won [3] - 11:9, 11:12, 135:1, 138:11, 139:7,
122:20 142:5
wonderful [1] - years [7] - 4:7, 14:11,
114:12 32:10, 41:7, 74:24,
wondering [1] - 97:10, 120:16
76:22 yell [1] - 71:14
word [3] - 17:18, yesterday [4] -
60:17, 142:16 35:10, 36:3, 74:1,
words [6] - 2:6, 99:7
51:20, 56:11, 123:13, young [2] - 91:7,
131:8, 137:25 91:8
workforce [1] - 99:18
works [7] - 16:2,

TR 2

Uploaded by

Document Information

Original Description:

Original Title

Copyright

Available Formats

Share this document

Share or Embed Document

Sharing Options

Did you find this document useful?

Is this content inappropriate?

Copyright:

Available Formats

TR 2

Uploaded by

Copyright:

Available Formats

1

24 Transcribed by: Rhonda Olynyk

2 MS. ROBINSON: We had orientation, and then --

3 Tuesday was the first day, and then unfortunately my

4 employer has had a three-day -- tomorrow is the last

5 day -- three-day training starting at 8:00 o'clock in

6 the morning, which means I leave the house about 5:30.

7 So I've not been calling you because like I can't even

8 call on the way to work.

9 MR. LOPEZ: No.

10 MS. ROBINSON: Anyway, they got a new B-1. They

11 call it something else, but it's really not. They

13 so they've had mandatory training for all senior staff

14 and management staff from 8:00 to 5:00 every day.

15 MR. LOPEZ: Wow, wow. I can only imagine what

16 this new system --

17 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, Miss Ballard -- Miss Ballard

18 has been there. She actually tried to have lunch with

19 me today, but I had to meet with the auditors. It

20 actually worked out well, because for as many times as

24 MR. LOPEZ: Right.

25 MS. ROBINSON: I have to make an appointment. So

2 to have lunch. So it turns out I couldn't have lunch

3 with her, I had to blow her off because I had this

4 other meeting, and she was offended by it, because

5 when I walked back in the room, she said, I just don't

6 believe you blew me off for lunch, and I wanted to say

7 to her, you've blown me off for how many years?

8 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.

9 MS. ROBINSON: But I didn't. You know, I was

10 very good. I just looked at her and smiled. I said,

11 oh, I'd never do that, sorry I had a previous

12 commitment. And I looked at Bob Chamberlin and said:

13 Look, Ms. Ballard wants me to meet with her for lunch,

14 and these auditors, these outside auditors want me to

15 meet with them. They came here especially to meet

16 with me. Who do you want me to meet with? He said,

17 the auditors. That was kind of his call, but it

18 was -- it came out right because I didn't want to meet

19 with her anyway.

20 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.

21 MS. ROBINSON: But -- so, anyway, but she's been

22 sitting through this training, and so I looked at her,

23 and I figure she was just trying to get information,

24 but, anyway, so I looked at her, and I said -- she was

25 coming up with some of these solutions, you know. I

2 gets the allocation process but not really.

3 MR. LOPEZ: Right.

4 MS. ROBINSON: And -- and it's been just an

5 interesting week, but be that as it may, I'm actually

6 waiting on a call back. I'm cooking dinner, but I'm

7 waiting on a call back from Martin, whose cell phone

8 I've been beating up because I cannot for the life of

9 me -- maybe you already know. Do you know anything

10 about NGA in St. Louis?

11 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, it -- well, we -- yes, I do.

12 We tried to bid for it, but we couldn't because

13 obviously we're not top security.

14 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, you and I must talk, my

16 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, my goodness.

17 MS. ROBINSON: We got -- we got -- okay. So

18 here's what -- here's -- here's the deal. I'm going