NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING

OCTOBER 2022
UNCONFIRMED

UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 17- 20, 2022
PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, UNITED STATES

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, 17-OCT-2022 to WEDNESDAY, 19-OCT-2022

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN/CLOSED

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check – OPEN/CLOSED

The NonDestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 8:00 am 17-Oct-2022

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member, ** Indicates Alternate Voting

Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

** Gary Adkins Eaton, Aerospace Group

* Saravanan Alagappan Collins Aerospace (Rockwell
Thangavel Collins)
** Philippe Barre Héroux Devtek, Inc.
* Peter Bartsch Premium Aerotec GmbH
Andrew Bond-Thorley Airbus Commercial Aircraft
Jon Cantrell The Boeing Company
Elizabeth Chapman General Atomics (Pending)
* David Cohn The Boeing Company
** Mike Coleman The Boeing Company
** Martha Cordova The Boeing Company
Grant Crawford The Boeing Company
* Audie Dickson Collins Aerospace (Goodrich)
** Craig Duncan Parker Aerospace Group
Jonathan Garber The Boeing Company
** Nicolas Garrigou SAFRAN Group
* Frederic Girard Pratt & Whitney Canada
* Greg Goldhagen Collins Aerospace (Hamilton
Sundstrand)
* Terry Hampton Raytheon Technologies
* Arin Hargett GE Aviation
Brian Hernandez The Boeing Company
* Edward Hohman Bell Helicopter - Textron
Scott Holmes Pratt & Whitney Canada
** John Iley Airbus Commercial Aircraft
Richard Isaak The Boeing Company
* Milan Jakubec Honeywell Aerospace
David Johnson GE Aviation
Paul Kuhl General Atomics (Pending)
* Jean-Francois Lapierre Bombardier Aerospace
Jerry Lee General Atomics (Pending)
* Peter Littler Rolls-Royce
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* Fred Lutz Spirit AeroSystems

Lawrence Mitchell Gulfstream Aerospace
* Fabrizio Montagnoli Leonardo S.p.a. - Helicopters Vice Chairperson
* Paul Nielsen Parker Aerospace Group
** Scott O’Connor Honeywell Aerospace
** Doug O'Hare Rolls-Royce
* Justin Payne Textron Aviation
Joseph Pease Lockheed Martin Corporation
Joerg Radekopf Airbus Helicopters
* Jeff Ragonese Aerojet Rocketdyne
* Srinivasan Ranganathan Singapore Technologies
Aerospace (ST Aerospace)
* Michael Rivera Parker Aerospace Group
** Victor Schonberger Israel Aerospace Industries
Walter Schultz Eaton, Aerospace Group
Henry Sikorski Pratt & Whitney
Angela Simonetti Pratt & Whitney
Rick Sovich Collins Aerospace (Goodrich)
* Michael Speer Airbus Helicopters
* Ed Stenger Lockheed Martin - Sikorsky
Aircraft
Ryan Tarry BAE Systems - Air (UK)
* Tony Warren Airbus Commercial Aircraft Chairperson
Robert Weber The Boeing Company
Liesel Weisling The Boeing Company
Travis Wells The Boeing Company
** Andy Williams Gulfstream Aerospace
Norbert Wyrwa GE Avio S.r.l.

Other Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member, ** Indicates Alternate Voting

Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* Mark Airey Robert Stuart Ltd

Leslie Allen Imagineering Enterprises
* Christopher Andersen PCC Structurals
** James Bakewell E M Inspection Co. Ltd.
* Alban Bakia RMI Titanium Company, LLC
Rob Balizet Canton Drop Forge, Inc.
Shawn Ballard PCCAIRFOILS
** Doug Barra Applus+/XRI Testing
Mark Bennett Goodrich Corporation
Larry Bing PCC Airfoils, LLC
* James Brinker Magnetic Inspection
Laboratory, Inc.
Jonathan Buggea Magellan Aerospace
Doug Campion Aero Turbine Inc.
Mukesh Chander AAA Plating & inspection, Inc.
Jake Childers Forest City Gear
Michael Clark Kamatics
Michael Collingwood A-Scan Laboratories, Inc.
Andrew Collins LORD Corporation
Michael Coulton Laboratory Testing, Inc.
Aaron Cox Applus / Xray Industries
* Natalie Cullen Kreisler Mfg.
Chris Dame Kamatics Corporation
Anthony Dellamaggiore PCC Airfoils, LLC
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** Tyler Deschaine PCC Structurals

Sheldon Emmanuel DCI Aerotech
Trevor Etches Magellan Aerospace
Jonathan Faia Laboratory Testing, Inc.
* Dustin Findling TIMET
Sandra Frank Element Materials Technology
Steve Ganske Gamma Aerospace
* Richard Gasset Lisi Aerospace
* Nick Gleason The NORDAM Group
Andrew Good Jesse Garant Metrology
Center
Jonathon Gray Roll Forming Corporation
Justin Guzman Aircraft X Ray Labs.
Jason Haley Radius Aerospace
Hiro Hamada TOYO FORGING WORKS
* Bob Henchar Milan Tool Corp.
* Helmuth Hoeller FACC Operation GmbH
* Wanwu Huang Hexcel Corporation
* Lee Jarrett West Penn Testing Group
Evgeny Kalish Kalspec NDT Services, Inc.
* Don Klein Arrow Gear Company
Rich Kline X-Ray Industries
Robert Kraft Techmetals, Inc.
Payton Lewis SIFCO Forge
Garron Lohman New Hampshire Ball
Bearings, Inc. (NHBB)
* David Mailes Ozark Mtn Tech d/b/a LMI
Sonaca
Julie Marquez Mitchell Labs
* Zachary Medeiros PCC Airfoils
* Alex Melton Delta TechOps
* Manuel Mencia PCC North Hollywood
Ingrid Miller Element St Paul
John Miller Magnetic Inspection
Laboratory
Margretta Novean Magellan Aerospace,
Middletown Ohio
Deep Patel Edwards Interiors, Inc.
Juan Perez Aircraft X-Ray Lab., Inc.
John Peterson Wolkerstorfer Company, Inc.
* Mark Pompe West Penn Testing - Mistras
** Amy Powers Meyer Tool, Inc.
Vijayshankar Prajapati TATA Advanced Systems
Kharpatturam Limited
Andy Regulinski Imagineering Enterprises dba
Imagineering Finishing
Technologies
* Robert Rich SPS Technologies
* Jacob Rickter Pinnacle Industrial X-Ray
Laboratory, Inc.
Douglas Riley Magellan Aerospace, Haley
* Tommy Schatzley Lord Corp.
* James Schrichte Magellan Aerospace,
Middletown, Inc.
* Daniel Sessoms Click Bond, Inc.
* Bryan Shumway Laboratory Testing, Inc.
* Todd Sibelius Haynes International, Inc.
David Simon Barnes Aerospace Lansing
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Scott Singer B-D Industries

Roy Solgot PCC Airfoils, LLC
Annie Song Universal Alloy Corporation
** Justin Spiess Element Materials Technology
Deborah Sykes Element Materials Technology
* Patrick Tallquist Howmet Aerospace
Phil Trach Laboratory Testing, Inc.
** Savas Ulucan Lisi Aerospace
* Steve Urquizo Cassavant Assembly and
Processing, LLC.
Israel Vasquez Linear Motion - Umbra Group
Costantino Volpe Senior Metal Bellows
* Kevin VonScio Perryman Company
Shannon Waganek PCC Airfoils
* Jason Williams Aurora Flight Sciences a
Boeing Company
Brian Wolfzorn Team Industrial Services
Chris Wolkerstorfer Wolkerstorfer Company, Inc.
* Grzegorz Wryk Element
* Rob Yocom Imagineering Finishing
Technologies
* Marco Zeidler Hutchinson - PFW Aerospace
GmbH
Brandon Zinn Hexcel Corp.
Elizabeth Zumwalt SIFCO Forge

PRI Staff Present

Linda Beene
Phil Ford
David Penney
Elizabeth Strano

1.2 Safety Information – OPEN/CLOSED

The safety information was reviewed by the Task Group with no further discussion.

1.3 Review Code of Ethics and Meetings Conduct – OPEN/CLOSED

The Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct were reviewed by the Task Group with no further
discussion.

1.4 Present the Antitrust Presentation – OPEN/CLOSED

A presentation regarding antitrust was presented with no further discussion.

1.5 Review Agenda – OPEN/CLOSED

The agenda for the week was reviewed by the NDT Task Group with no further discussion.

1.6 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes – OPEN

Motion made by Michael Coleman and seconded by Audie Dickson to approve the minutes of the
meeting held in London, United Kingdom in June 2022 as written. Motion passed.

2.0 REVIEW DELEGATION STATUS – CLOSED

Motion made by Audie Dickson and seconded by Michael Coleman to not review t-frm-0006s.
Motion passed.
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Tony Warren requested more participation at the bi-weekly meetings as the same people are
typically involved in both discussions and auditor interviews. The efficiency of the Nadcap
program is based on the contribution of all participants.

The audit data for each Audit Report Reviewer was reviewed and recommended for continuance
of delegation.

Motion made by Ed Hohman and seconded by Michael Coleman to continue delegation for all
delegated NDT Audit Report Reviewers. Motion passed.

Motion made by Audie Dickson and seconded by Michael Coleman to delegate David Penney as
NDT Audit Report Reviewer. Motion passed.

3.0 TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED

Motion made by Michael Coleman and seconded by Audie Dickson to appoint Tony Warren as
Chairperson for the NDT Task Group for an additional term of three (3) years. Motion passed

Motion made by Milan Jakubec and seconded by Michael Coleman to appoint Fabrizio
Montagnoli as Vice Chairperson for his first term of three (3) years. Motion passed.

Motion made by Michael Coleman and seconded by Audie Dickson to appoint Steve Garner as
Secretary for the NDT Task Group for his first term of three (3) years. Motion passed.

3.1 Ethics

There were no ethics issues to report or discuss.

3.2 Appeals

Appeal Number 2022-040 was presented and reviewed.

Motion made by Audie Dickson and seconded by Michael Speer to deny the Appeal. Motion
passed.

Appeal Number 2022-041 was presented and reviewed.

Motion made by Justin Payne and seconded by Audie Dickson to approve the appeal. Motion
passed.

3.3 Extensions

There were no extension issues to report or discuss. Extensions related to Risk Assessment
Surveys (RAS) and COVID-19 did not require Task Group discussion.

3.4 Advisories

There were no advisories to report or be discussed.

4.0 NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED

Documents in ballot were discussed. AC7114/12 needs additional votes to be a valid ballot.
There are several waives. Attendees were requested to consider changing waives to a vote
status as waives do not count as a vote.

Balloted supplemental Audit Criteria were discussed. Subscribers were encouraged to review and
vote in the supplemental Audit Criteria ballots even if they did not request any changes to their
supplements to ensure their supplements are correct.

An NCR involving specific exams performed under the control of the French National Aerospace
NonDestructive Testing Board was discussed. The expectation is that when a National
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Aerospace NonDestructive Testing Board (NANDTB) performs a wider than scope examination,
supplemental examinations will be given if not covered by an agreement with the Subscriber.

The Top 10 NCR file for October 2021 to September 2022 was reviewed. This also identifies
Auditors linked to the Audit Criteria and specific paragraphs where NCRs have been raised. This
file will be updated each Nadcap meeting. Questions regarding the potential use and sharing of
the file to Subscribers was discussed as this could help in identifying weakness; this file cannot
be shared. However, if there is a request for information, PRI Staff may be contacted. Based on
the results presented, there are an increasing number of supplemental questions that can create
difficulties with the Auditors in understanding requirements behind the questions and to perform
an audit in the time allotted; it was suggested that the TG should work on improving the baseline
Audit Criteria by meeting and disusing if any of the supplemental questions can be put into the
main Audit Criteria, removed, or combined. This review shall be done in the Method Team
meetings.

5.0 TASK GROUP REVIEW OF AUDITS – CLOSED

5.1 Review of Audits

There were no audits to review at this time; any necessary audit reviews were reviewed at the
regularly scheduled NDT Teleconference calls.

5.2 Review of t-frm-1111s

There were no t-frm-1111s to discuss.

5.3 Review Issues with Virtual Verification Audit (VVA), Virtual Accreditation Audit (VAA) and Risk
Assessment Survey (RAS)

There were no issues to discuss.

6.0 REVIEW OF AUDITOR CONSISTENCY AGAINST OP 1117 REQUIREMENTS – CLOSED

6.1 Review Auditor Standard Data-Set Charts

Staff presented the Voided NCR report. Of the 948 NCRs, forty-one (41) NCRs were voided:
eight (8) by Subscriber representatives, twenty-six (26) by PRI Staff, five (5) as combined, two (2)
as system issues that were blank NCRs removed by Staff. No further discussion took place.

6.2 Review Audit Observations

One auditor observation was reviewed with no issues.

6.3 Assess Progress of Auditor Oversight Plan

The Auditor Observation plan for 2023 was reviewed. There was no further discussion.

Subscriber Observation training was reviewed. This is published in eAuditNet under

Resource/Documents/Public Documents/Subscriber/Audit Observer Training. OP 1118 Auditor
Observations defines the process for Subscriber representative observations of Nadcap Auditors
with the need to prioritize Auditors selected in the Observation plan.

6.4 Establish Any Changes in Auditor Risk

There were no changes to discuss at this time.

6.5 Identify Training Needs for Existing Auditors

There were no training needs identified at this time.

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6.6 Prioritizing Auditors That Need Observation

It was reiterated that the priority for observing Auditors is the list of Auditors on the observation
plan that the NDT Task Group develops, not what Auditee is convenient for the Observer. PRI
can be contacted with questions about observing.

7.0 STAFF REPORT – OPEN

7.1 New Members Presentation

The New Members Presentation was reviewed. There was no further discussion.

Motion made by Dave Cohn and seconded by Audie Dickson to appoint Tony Warren as a
Chairperson for an additional term of three (3) years. Motion passed.

Motion made by Dave Cohn and seconded by Michael Coleman to appoint Fabrizio Montagnoli
as Vice Chairperson for his first term of three (3) years. Motion passed.

Motion made by Michael Coleman and seconded by Audie Dickson to appoint Steve Garner as
Secretary for the NDT Task Group for his first term of three (3) years. Motion passed.

7.2 Administration of the Nadcap Program

The administration of the Nadcap program presentation was given with no further discussion.

7.3 Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) Review

The RAIL was reviewed with no further discussion.

7.4 Nadcap Management Council (NMC) Metrics

NMC metrics were presented with no further discussion.

8.0 REVIEW OF PROCEDURE CHANGES – OPEN

8.1 Changes to General Operating Procedures since the Last Meeting

There were no changes to the general operating procedures to discuss.

8.2 Changes to OP 1114 and OP 1116 NDT Appendices since Last Meeting

There were no changes to the appendices to discuss.

9.0 CLARIFICATION DATA BASE - OPEN

The Clarification Data Base (CDB) was reviewed and its relevant importance to trace the results
of discussions. This is available in eAuditNet (Resource/Documents/Public Documents/Task
Group/Non-Destructive Testing/Document Changes). It is divided into tabs for each Audit Criteria
so it can be used to identify specific items of discussions and the resolution. Updates are posted
in eAuditNet after each Nadcap Meeting.

10.0 SUPPLIER REPORT AND DISCUSSION – OPEN

The Supplier Support Committee (SSC) presentation was reviewed. No further discussion took
place.

Rob Yocom has volunteered to take on the role of the SSC representative for NDT.

11.0 VOTING MEMBER UPDATES AND COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – OPEN

• Subscriber Voting Member: UVM

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• Supplier Voting Member: SVM

• Alternate: ALT
• Task Group Chairperson: CHR
• Vice Chairperson: VCH
• Secretary: SEC

11.1 Compliance with Voting Requirements

Compliance with voting requirements per PD 1100 Nadcap Program Requirements was reviewed
and the voting members out of compliance identified.

If requirements are not met by the next Nadcap Meeting, the voting members that are at risk may
have their voting rights removed. The Task Group Chairperson approved maintaining voting
membership at this time for those that have been absent from meetings or missed ballots per
procedure requirements, except for those that have submitted m-frm-1101s requesting removal.

The following Subscriber representatives did not attend the last three (3) meetings:

Jim Fowler and Stephan Dandeneau – Pratt & Whitney (alternates with (no voting member)
Ken Harrison – BAE Systems Air
Ed Hohman – Bell Helicopter Textron
Jinqiu Zhou – COMAC (Shanghai Aircraft Manufacturing Co., LTD)

The following Supplier representatives did not attend the last three (3) meetings:

Mike Ashton – Hexcel Kent

Julien Banchet – Aubert & Duval
David Beard – PCC Airfoils LLC
David Bullard – Advanced Aero Coatings LLC
Jonathan Fletcher – Columbia Precision Limited
Doug Fowers – Barnes Advanced Fabrications
Nathan Gangloff – RBC Aircraft Products
Don C. Klein – Arrow Gear
Yanick Lavallee – Sablage au Jet 2000
Kelly Lambert – CAD Enterprises Inc.
Sharon Mack – P M Testing Laboratory Inc.
Yesenia Romero – Aluminum Precision Products
Paul Rose – Arconic
Thomas Schatzley – LORD Corporation
Michael Steele – Heligear Acquisition Co.

The following Subscriber representatives did not vote on the last two (2) ballots:

Saravanan Alagappan Thangavel – Collins Aerospace (Rockwell Collins)

Peter Bartsch – Premium Aerotec
Peter Fridolf – GKN Aerospace Sweden
Frederic Girard – Pratt & Whitney Canada
Luis Grijalva – Lockheed Martin
Sara Guelfo – GE Avio S.r.l.
Greg Hall – Northrop Grumman Corporation
Arin Hargett – GE Aviation
Ken Harrison – BAE Systems Air
Yoshiharu Kuze – Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Fred Lutz – Spirit AeroSystems
Fabrizio Montagnoli – Leonardo Helicopters
Uri Sol – Israel Aerospace Industries
Jinqiu Zhou – COMAC

The following Supplier representatives did not vote on the last two (2) ballots:
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Mark Airey – Robert Stuart Ltd.

Mike Ashton – Hexcel Kent (Corporation)
Alban Bakia – RMI Titanium Company, LLC.
Gershon Bani – AMK Welding a Meyer Tool Company
David Beard – PCC Airfoils LLC
Julien Banchet – Aubert & Duval
David Bullard – Advanced Aero Coatings LLC.
Natalie Cullen – Kreisler Industrial Corp
Philip Curzon – Forged Solutions Group
Doug Fowers – Barnes Advanced Fabrications
Nathan Gangloff – RBC Aircraft Products
Dave Gray – Mitchell Laboratories Inc.
Helmuth Hoeller – FACC
Kelly Lambert – CAD Enterprises Inc.
Yanick Lavallee – Sablage au Jet 2000
Shelly Lawless – Meyer Tool Inc.
Sharon Mack – PM Testing Laboratory Inc
Manuel Mencia – PCC Aerostructures
David Mitchell – Composite Inspection Solutions
Paul Peterson – Metal Finishing Company
Jacob Rickter – Pinnacle Industrial X-Ray Laboratory
Yesenia Romero – Aluminum Precision Products
Paul Rose – Arconic
James Schrichte – Magellan Aerospace
Michael Steele – Northstar Aerospace Chicago Inc
Steve Urquizo – Cassavant Assembly & Processing, LLC
Alverto Vasquez – Aviation Equipment Processing
Israel Vasquez – Linear Motion, LLC
Jason Williams – CAD Enterprises Inc.

11.2 New Voting Members

NAME COMPANY POSITION MEETINGS ATTENDED

NAME (new role) (Month/Year)

Philippe Barre Heroux Devtek, ALT UVM to Marc- October February

Inc. Andre Lefebvre 2021 2022
James Brinker Magnetic SVM February October 2022
Inspection 2022
Laboratory
Wanwu Huang Hexcel SVM October October 2022
Corporation 2021
Lee Jarrett West Penn SVM October October 2022
Testing 2021
Bryan Shumway Laboratory SVM June 2021 October 2021
Testing, Inc.
Grzegorz Wryk Element SVM October February
2022 2018
Marco Zeidler PFW Aerospace SVM June 2022 October 2022

11.3 Voting Membership Removed

NAME COMPANY BALLOT MEETING

NAME RESPONSE MET ATTENDANCE MET
(Y/N) (Y/N)

Mike Ashton Hexcel N N

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David Beard PCC Airfoils LLC N N

Doug Fowers Barnes Advanced N N
Fabrication
Jeremy Krueger Barnes Advanced Y Y
Fabrication
Jose Martinez Liebherr Y Y
Aerospace
Lindenberg
GmbH
Steve McCool Honeywell Y Y
Aerospace
Tammi Schubert Protective Y Y
Coatings, Inc.

11.4 Changes to Voting Membership since the Last Meeting

NAME COMPANY POSITION

NAME (new / updated role)

David Cohn The Boeing ALT UVM to Michael Coleman

Company
Michael Coleman The Boeing UVM
Company
Steven Garner Eaton Aerospace SEC
Milan Jakubec Honeywell UVM
Aerospace
Lee Jarrett West Penn SVM
Testing
Zachary Medeiros PCC Airfoils LLC SVM
Fabrizio Montagnoli Leonardo VCH
Helicopters
Mark Pompe Mistras Group ALT SVM to Lee Jarrett
Rob Yocom Imagineering NMC SVM and SSC Rep
Finishing Tech
Stephan Zeimetz Liebherr UVM
Aerospace
Lindenberg
GmbH

Motion made by Justine Payne and seconded by Audie Dickson to accept all the changes in
terms of Voting Membership. Motion passed.

On Wednesday, two (2) further requests were provided as follows:

 Michael Coleman becoming UVM in lieu of David Cohn stepping down to ALT UVM

 Rob Yocom becoming the NDT SSC Representative and NMC SVM.

Motion made by Audie Dickson and seconded by Fred Lutz to accept all the changes above.
Motion passed.

11.5 Confirmation by Task Group Chair

Confirmation of the above changes was made by the Task Group Chair.
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12.0 NEW BUSINESS AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS – OPEN

TS standards were discussed, (sampling tables from ASPQP (previously SBAC) for aerospace
standard parts). Some TS standard reports inspection sampling rates do not follow a sequence in
principle coherent with the number of samples; the numbers show that the sampling is higher for
small batches and smaller for bigger batches. It was asked if there was any information or
knowledge from any member of the TG on this. No further discussion took place.

AC7114 Rev. R Section 10 was discussed; it was asked if there would be an issue for an Auditee
who put in place the new system of monitoring but without enough data yet or historical data to
analyze before their next audit; the outcome is that an auditor advisory will be issued stating the
monitoring system must be in place and, if there was not enough data or time yet to analyze the
data before the next audit, that it would be acceptable for that one audit, however, the following
audit shall verify the data was analyzed.

ACTION ITEM: Elizabeth Strano to issue an Auditor Advisory to cover AC7114 Rev. R Nadcap
Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing (NDT) Supplier Accreditation Program Section 10
discussion item regarding having enough data to analyze. (Due Date: 4-Nov-2022)

Discussion took place that if an Auditee has an audit/Auditor issue and he/she completes the
Auditor Feedback with comments, if the option “yes” is selected to share the feedback with the
Auditor, then PRI can address this issue immediately with the Auditor. Selecting “no” does not
permit Staff to discuss the feedback with the auditor directly. Receiving feedback on an Auditor
and being able to address the feedback can reduce any further similar issues in other audits.

NDT’s most common NCRs from 01-Oct 2021 – 30-Sep-2022 were reviewed. An interactive
session proceeded among the Task Group.

It was discussed that Canadian Auditees are asking for proof of ITAR registration for PRI/Nadcap
Auditors. Quality response was, “We do not have a current registration and have not for several
years as our legal team has determined based on our position as only a service provider that we
are exempt. At PRI we do not have any manufacturing of defense articles, and from an export
standpoint, we do not do any exporting as we have controls in place that only US citizens have
access to information. Thus, we do not fall into the classification of companies required to
register.”

Discussion took place related to the flow-down of the correct revision of applicable specifications
to sub-tiers as some Subscribers allow access to the specifications while others do not. During
the discussion, some examples were provided leaving the item potentially open for the
Subscribers still not providing access to their specifications at sub-tiers levels. Some Subscribers
(not all) mandate the access to their website for confirmation/check of the applicable release
considering it should be a bi-directional check.

12.1 Subscriber Communications

No specific Subscriber communication was discussed.

13.0 AD HOC TEAM REPORTS – OPEN

The Ad Hoc Team presentation and rules were presented. If there is anyone else that needs
added or removed from an Ad Hoc Team outside of what is discussed during the Ad Hoc Team
presentation, PRI Staff should be contacted.

13.1 Auditee/Supplier Symposium

An Auditee Symposium was given by on changes to NAS410/EN4179.

Gary White and David Cohn were removed from the team. Michael Coleman was added.
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13.2 Visual Inspection

The team is currently working to finalize the Visual Inspection Audit Criteria.

Christian Swift and Steve McCool were removed from the team. Milan Jakubec was added.

13.3 Remote Inspection

The Remote Inspection Team is to be amalgamated with the MRO Team.

David Cohn was removed from the team. Michael Coleman was added.

A team is currently working to finalize the Computed Tomography Audit Criteria.

Steve McCool was removed from the Computed Tomography team; Milan Jakubec, Stephan
Zeimetz, and Michael Rivera were added.

The Audit Criteria for Outside Agencies is currently in ballot.

Steve McCool and David Cohn were removed from the Outside Agency team; Milan Jakubec was
added.

An update on Maintenance, Repair, and Overhaul (MRO) was presented. The team is currently
working on an Audit Criteria for MRO facilities. The main aim is to identify suitable criteria fit for
non-laboratory testing purposes. A preliminary trial audit has been performed successfully.

Christian Swift was removed from the MRO team.

ACTION ITEM: Elizabeth Strano to update all changes to the Ad Hoc Team participants. (Due Date:
04-Nov-2022)

14.0 METHOD TEAMS & DOCUMENT CHANGE SPREAD SHEET – OPEN

14.1 AC7114

AC7114 is the Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing (NDT) Suppliers Accreditation
Program.

Ken Harrison, Steve McCool, and Phillip Curzon were removed from the team. Israel Vasquez
was added

Discussion on clarifying that Level 3 not having passed hands-on practical exam does not need
any Annual Proficiency Review was considered non persuasive.

14.2 AC7114/1

AC7114/1 is the Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing Facility Penetrant Survey.

Milan Jakubec replaced Steve McCool and Michael Coleman replaced David Cohn. Craig
Duncan was added, and Christian Swift was removed from the team.

The following Document Change Spreadsheet (DCS) entries were discussed.

5.9.1.1: Sentence does not read very well; rewrite could be 'That there is a separate test panel
used for each penetrant method and sensitivity level? – This was deemed Non persuasive.

7.0: In Guidance, third reference to "company" should be revised to "Auditee" so that it reads
"...process applied complies with the procedural system established by the Auditee in terms of
flow down". – This change was accepted.
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7.6: To bring in line with AC7114/1, do we need to add questions relating to magnification/viewing
aids for evaluating indications and if calibrated/verified measuring devices are used? See
AC7114/1 N 7.15.1 & 7.15.2. – These questions will be added to the /2; “When required” and an
NA will also be added to both questions.

7.9.2 & 7.10.1: Emulsifier spray application – No guidance or restriction of spray pattern I
encountered a spray emulsifier application where there was a direct stream with no dispersal.
7.10.1 requires a coarse spray of water for removal. – The decision is to send to the Sub-Team
for further discussion.

14.3 AC7114/2

AC7114/2 is the Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing Facility Magnetic Particle
Survey.

Mottito Togo replaced Steve McCool; Michael Coleman replaced David Cohn. Christian Swift and
Zachary Medeiros were removed from the team. Bob Henchar was added.

It was asked if each individual LED UV-A lamp needs to be certified against ASTM E3022. The
decision was that the catalogue is not enough evidence of conformance.

It was also asked if an MT Machine was installed five (5) years ago without a test report: are
actual periodical checks enough for purpose as proof of the conformance. The decision was it is
enough.

It was asked if it is acceptable to have a calibration certificate issued by a third party. It does not
need calibration by the manufacturer as a third party can be used ensuring the calibration
certificate is in line with customer requirements and contractual review.

The following DCS entry was reviewed.

3.1: AC7114/2 – 3.1 - No requirement for identification of carrier or particles in machine reservoir
such as required by AC7114/1 3.3. – The decision is that it is an engineering requirement verified
in AITM6-2001 Rev 5 para 7. A question will be added and update to "and last date of
replenishment."

14.4 AC7114/3

AC7114/3 is Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing Facility Ultrasonic Survey.

Mottito Togo was added to the team. Alun Williams, Gary White, and Mike Ashton were removed.

The following DCS entry was reviewed.

4.2.1.13: AC7114/3 – 4.2.1.13 and 6.4.1.5 - Ultrasonic TTU – No requirement for perpendicularity
of water path to part surface stream to surface. A lot of requirements for squirter stream
alignment and distance. – The decision was that this was non persuasive.

14.5 AC7114/4

AC7114/4 is the Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing Facility Film Radiography
Survey. AC7114/9 Nadcap Audit Criteria for Remote Inage and Film Viewing and AC7714/10
Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing Facility Digital Radiography, Utilizing Digital
Detector Array (DDA) & Computed Radiography (CR) Utilizing Photostimulable Luminescence
(PSL) Survey were also discussed.

Milan Jakubec and Mottito Togo replaced Steve McCool on the team. Steve McCool replaced
Christopher Andersen and Michael Coleman replaced David Cohn. Blair O’Connell was removed.
Tony Dellamaggiore and Michael Rivera were added.
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The Task Group was given an update regarding splitting the AC7114/10 Audit Criteria into two
Audit Criteria (AC7114/6 and AC7114/8). Each Audit Criteria will be a one-day audit. The Audit
Criteria are ready to be balloted.

The following DCS entries were reviewed.

5.4.1.4: The question in the currently released questionnaire AC7114/10 revision B Δ3 (as of
28.09.2022) is under the main chapter 5.4 Procedure Process Control DDA Systems and is
therefore part of the process monitoring. For this reason and from the point of view of PFW, the
question and guidance should be as follows. Guidance: Are the same values (SDD, SOD, kV, mA
and focal spot size or range) and the position of the phantom in beam for process control and
system performance, used all the time? Guidance: The five-groove wedge, the duplex plate
phantom or Subscriber approved phantom shall be placed in the beam at the position which is
designed for the phantom. The same values shall be used all the time. – This was deemed non-
persuasive as it should be addressed in the technique.

4.6.1.1 and 4.6.2: No requirement to record this check is required even if 4.6.2 implies recording
acceptable results. To be addressed better the reason/importance to maintain this recording
instead of removing it before understanding the scenario behind so to be submitted to the sub-
team for discussion. – This was sent to the Sub Team for review.

3.7.2: Could we look at the guidance because it implies that the condition of the duplex gauge is
performed by viewing an image however, some of the yellow plastic encapsulated gauges are
prone to bending over time and this condition cannot be detected by viewing an image. – This
was sent to the Sub Team for review.

14.6 AC7114/5

AC7114/5 is the Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing Facility Eddy Current Survey.

Jose Martinez, Ken Harrison, and Alun Williams were removed from the team. Fred Lutz and
Mottito Togo were added.

There were no changes to review.

14.7 AC7114/9

This was reviewed with AC7114/4 in agenda item 14.5.

14.8 AC7114/10

This was reviewed with AC7114/4 in agenda item 14.5.

14.9 AC7114/11

AC7114/11 is the Nadcap Audit Criteria for National Aerospace NDT Boards.

There were no changes to review.

14.10 AC7114/12

AC7114/12 is the Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing for Outside Agencies Survey.

Milan Jakubec replaced Steve McCool on the team and Michael Coleman replaced David Cohn.

There were no DCS changes to review.

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14.11 AC7108/2

AC7108/2 is the Audit Criteria for Chemical Processing and NonDestructive Testing for Pre-
Penetrant Etching and Etch Inspection Processes (Anodic Etch, Blue Etch Anodize,
Macrostructure Etch, Nital/Temper Etch).

Milan Jakubec replaced Steve McCool and Jose Martinez and Gary White were removed from
the team.

The following DCS entry was reviewed.

4.1.4.1: Were examiners and personnel who administered exams certified for the method to
which the exam applied? Add Guidance: If working to SAE ARP 1923, examiner must be
delegated per internal procedure or customer requirement. If working to NAS410/EN4179,
examiner must be qualified and certified per the requirement. – The decision was made in June
2022 to add this to the next revision of the Audit Criteria.

14.12 Auditor Consistency Team

Milan Jakubec replaced Steve McCool and Michael Coleman replaced David Cohn.

Motion made by Audie Dickson and seconded by Justine Payne to accept all the changes
proposed to the Document Change Spreadsheet (DCS). Motion passed.

ACTION ITEM: Elizabeth Strano to update all changes to the Sub Team participants. (Due Date:
04-Nov-2022)

ACTION ITEM: Elizabeth Strano to update all changes to the DCS. (Due Date: 04-Nov-2022)

15.0 SUBSCRIBER/AUDITEE BREAKOUT SESSION – OPEN

A question-and-answer session for Subscribers and Auditees was held.

During this session, a query was raised if instruments requiring calibration once per year but
potentially never used for more than one year could be just before use instead of annually. The
outcome was that it could be considered acceptable provided that the instrument in discussion is
properly identified and quarantined to avoid misuse. This should be addressed in procedure.

16.0 BALLOT COMMENT RESOLUTION – OPEN

There were no ballot comments to resolve.

17.0 REPORT OUT OF PLANNING AND OPERATIONS MEETING – OPEN

The meeting ended prior to the Planning & Operations meeting so there was no report out.

18.0 REPORT OUT ON THE SSC MEETING – OPEN

A need for supplier support committee representatives from other commodities has been
requested. It represents a good opportunity to know Supplier representatives and to participate in
surveys to provide feedback/improvement.

19.0 REPORT OUT ON THE AQS LIAISON MEETING – OPEN

The output of the Aerospace Quality System (AQS) Liaison meeting was presented. The NDT TG
asked the question concerning AS13100 requirements and how they will be incorporated into
AC7004. The likely outcome will be an additional slash sheet to be used during an AQS audit.
The timeline will be the end of 2023. The AQS group is to discuss details at this Nadcap meeting.
Additional information will be reported out during the February 2023 Nadcap meeting.
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20.0 REPORT OUT ON THE AUDITOR CONFERENCE – OPEN

The Auditor Conference was held on Sunday. Training items were reviewed; no additional
discussion took place.

21.0 DEVELOP AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 2023 MEETING – OPEN

The Next meeting will be held in California in February 2023 for two and a half days.

22.0 CLARIFICATION DATA BASE REVIEW – OPEN

The Clarification Database (CDB) was reviewed. The following were discussion points:

General - AC7114 - Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing (NDT) Suppliers
Accreditation Program: Operator should be able to demonstrate to the auditor where they are
getting the information from procedure in a timely manner, not by memory.

AC7114/1 - Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing Facility Penetrant Survey:
degradation check master standard: when master panel is processed as a “working” panel,
adequate controls should be in place such as degradation check if not differently required by a
specific Subscriber.

AC7114/4 - Nadcap Audit Criteria for NonDestructive Testing Facility Film Radiography Survey:
light meter sensor to be placed on the viewer; DCS to change the “at” as “on”.

Motion made by Audie Dickson and seconded by Justine Payne to accept all the changes to the
CDB. Motion passed.

23.0 REVIEW OF ACTION ITEMS DEVELOPED DURING THE MEETING – OPEN

Action items from the meeting were reviewed.

24.0 MEETING FACILITATION – OPEN

The following items were raised regarding the meeting:

 Registration on the 17th Floor at Omni William Penn hotel was uncomfortable for the relevant
time spent at the elevator queue and for the crowded small area available.

 Possibility for next meeting to start on Tuesday and allow Monday as a travel day; this
potential schedule could be considered for future meetings considering that Monday was
typically maintained when the Auditor Conference is held.

 An additional microphone was requested.

 Additional refreshments were nice to have this time.

 Happy hour was great, as an improvement a bigger room/area would be appreciated.

25.0 NAS410/EN4179 SYMPOSIUM – OPEN

A symposium on NAS410/EN4179 was presented.

Based on the discussion, potential clarifications/interpretation issues are present; it was proposed
to any active member of AIA, to put in place a Clarification Team working together with the
equivalent existing in the European Forum for the NANDTB. This Working Group could identify a
working procedure to collect and filter the requests for clarifications in a way AIA and ASD-STAN
through their Members can provide an added value in the clarifications on the code after a shared
analysis as both NAS410 and EN4179 are used worldwide.

ADJOURNMENT – 19-Oct-2022 – Meeting was adjourned at 11:00am EST

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Motion made by Audie Dickson and seconded by Michael Coleman to adjourn the Nadcap NDT
Task Group meeting. Motion passed.

Minutes Prepared by: Fabrizio Montagnoli, fabrizio.montagnoli@leonardo.com

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