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FEBRUARY 2019
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UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
FEBRUARY 18-21, 2019
NEW ORLEANS, LA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
The Metallic Materials Manufacturing (MMM TG) Task Group was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 18-
FEB-2019.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
Jerry Aston
For specific details, please see the current MMM Rolling Action Item List posted at
www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
October 2018 meeting minutes reviewed. Motion made by Greg Goldhagen and seconded by
David Chang to approve the October 2018 minutes. Motion Passed.
Changes made to General Operating Procedures since October 2018 were reviewed. Those
operating procedures included: OP 1101 Document Control, OP 1102 Records, OP 1103
Definitions, OP 1112 NMC Oversight Activities, OP 1113 Appeals, OP 1116 Auditor Staffing,
OP1120 Audit Criteria Agreements, OP 1121 Subscriber Application and Agreement, OP 1122
Subscriber Accreditations, OP 1123 Supplier Support Committee, OP 1124 Allegation Handling
and Resolution.
OP 1114 and OP 1116 APP MMM – No changes were made since the October 2018 Nadcap
Meeting.
Chairperson, Brian Streich gave a brief presentation on the history and status of the MMM Task
Group.
5.0 VOTING MEMBER UPDATES & COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – OPEN
The following requests for additions or changes to voting membership were received and
confirmed by the Task Group Chairperson pending verification of PD 1100 requirements:
Greg Goldhagen stepping down as secretary with Bob LaFurge being voted in as the new
secretary.
The compliance to voting membership requirements per PD 1100 were reviewed. Ben Evans,
Collins Aerospace (Goodrich) was not compliant with voting membership requirements; Balloting
(missed two consecutive ballots) and attendance (missed 3 consecutive meetings). Voting rights
were waived by the Task Group Chairperson. Johan Tholerus, GKN Aerospace Sweden was not
compliant with voting membership requirements; Balloting (missed 2 consecutive ballots) but has
since balloted. Voting rights were waived by the Task Group Chairperson. Ramachandra
Canumalla (Weldaloy Products Company); Attendance (missed 3 consecutive meetings). Voting
rights were waived by the Task Group Chairperson.
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All additions and changes are pending completion of all required steps on the Nadcap
Membership Form (m-frm-01).
ACTION ITEM: Brian Streich to contact Ramachandra Canumalla regarding retaining voting
membership (Due Date: 30-Apr-2019)
Feedback was given on the results of the trial audits at Yankee Castings and Doncasters. Both
the Sand and Investment Casting checklists were used at the auditees with reported good results.
Many observations were made to the checklist questions which will enable the MMM TG to
modify and improve the checklists. From the trials the Sand Casting Checklist seems more ready
than the Investment checklist.
Appreciation was given by the MMM TG to the two companies involve as the trial audits proved
invaluable.
The Sand Casting checklists were review and modified from the feedback of the trial casting
audits. The Sand Casting checklists were also reviewed from start to end for flow and applicability
of questions.
From the review it was found that further work was required on the structure of Charge Make-Up
and Melting job audits. It was agreed that a Sub-Team should be formed and work these
questions with the plan to be able to ballot the checklists and have ballot comments ready for
review at the June 2019 Nadcap Meeting to be held in Paris, France.
ACTION ITEM: Sub-Team of Graham Sales, Will Otaluka, David Chang, Kevin Vecchiarelli to
review Charge Make-Up and Melting job audit questions. (Due Date: 31-Mar-2019)
The subscribers were asked to provide specification information versus checklist questions for
addition to the Casting Auditor Handbook.
ACTION ITEM: Subscribers to submit information for Customer Requirement Table for Sand and
Investment Casting. (Due Date: 1-Jun-2019)
ACTION ITEM: Brian Streich to create long job audit questions for Sand Casting. (Due Date: 31-
Mar-2019)
ACTION ITEM: Task Group to add Rework repair cycle to both sand and investment checklists
(Due Date: 1-Jun-2019)
The Investment Casting checklists were review and modified from the feedback of the trial casting
audits. The Investment Casting checklists were also reviewed from start to end for flow and
applicability of questions.
ACTION ITEM: Brian Streich to create long job audit questions for Investment Casting. (Due Date:
31-Mar-2019)
ACTION ITEM: Task Group to add Rework repair cycle to both sand and investment checklists
(Due Date: 1-Jun-2019)
It was agreed that Solid Mold checklist questions were needed. B LaFurge volunteered to create
these questions.
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ACTION ITEM: Bob LaFurge to create Solid Mold checklist questions. (Due Date: 1-Jun-2019)
It is still too early to be interviewing for potential Casting Auditors but in preparation Auditor
interview questions were raised and the structure of the Auditor interview agreed.
With the Casting checklists nearing completion a Sub-Team was formed to create the Casting
Audit Handbook. The Sub-team will meet prior to the June 2019 Nadcap Meeting. First meeting to
be completed by Friday, 12-Apr-2019.
ACTION ITEM: Casting Auditor Handbook Sub-Team; Brian Streich, Greg Goldhagen, Kevin
Vecharelli, JF Dumont, David Chang, and Bob LaFurge to create the Casting Audit Handbook and
have a draft ready for review at the June 2019 Nadcap Meeting. (Due Date: 1-June-2019)
Airbus classifies Castings as a Special Process and will mandate depending on when checklists
are issued.
Collins Aerospace (all divisions) to announce intent to mandate in March 2019. All Collins
Aerospace divisions will be mandating.
It was determined that it is too early to start on the next Casting checklist as the Investment and
Sand Castings checklists are still being reviewed. This will be discussed again at the June 2019
Nadcap Meeting.
It was reported that Die Casting and Centrifugal Casting has low interest at this time. If needed
these could be written by an interested sub-team.
No new business.
Agenda items were established for the June 2019 Nadcap meeting to be held in Paris, France.
Sand Casting Audit Review Sub-team: Bob LaFurge, David Chang to meet in March 2019.
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to arrange Sand Casting Sub-Team meeting to discuss the Sand
Casting Checklist. (Due Date: 8-Mar-2019)
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The MMM TG reviewed the Forging audits closed by Jerry Aston. The closing was considered
satisfactory and these results go towards delegation for Jerry Aston.
Delegation was not given due to low audit numbers and subscribers wanting to review all audits.
The audits performed by both MMM Forging Auditors were reviewed by the MMM TG and any
comments will be feedback to the Auditors.
Limited audit data was reviewed for the standard charts for auditor consistency. The MMM TG
agreed the auditors to be observed in 2019.
The audit data was reviewed, but it was agreed due to low audit numbers that the standard
deviation criteria for initial and reaccreditation audits could not be used. The MMM TG determined
from available data the failure criteria for 2019.
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to provide M. Graham the Failure Criteria for MMM Forgings. (Due
Date: 15-Mar-2019)
The October 2019 Auditor Conference plan was created and will be held in the afternoon of
Saturday, 19-Oct-2019 and all-day Sunday, 20-Oct-2019. The agenda will be reviewed and
finalized at the June 2019 Nadcap Meeting.
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to contact auditors asking what training is needed for the auditor
Conference. (Due Date: 1-Jun-2019)
Brian Streich discussed the changes made since the last meeting. The MMM Task Group
AC7140 Audit Handbook can be found by going to www.eAuditNet.com > Resources >
Documents > Audit Criteria > Metallic Materials Manufacturing > Handbooks and Guides.
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to add forging handbook to eAuditNet. (Due Date: 15-Mar-2019)
ACTION ITEM: Subscribers to update the Matrix Table of the Forging Handbook. (Due Date: 1-Jun-
2019)
A debrief on the number of Forging audits scheduled was given. At the present time, there are six
audits scheduled.
Honeywell Aerospace– Mandate letter sent to suppliers June 2017 and accreditation extended by
end of 2018.
MTU Aero Engines AG - mandated for accreditation by end of 2018 for new suppliers.
Collins Aerospace (All divisions) – mandate letter to be sent out by but at this time there is not a
required date to obtain accreditation.
Forgings has three auditors at present; one in Europe and two in US, plus one in training from the
US.
For more topic covered review the NMC Planning and Ops minutes on the PRI website.
The Checklist ballot comments for AC7140 and AC7140/S were reviewed, and the ballot
comment addressed and accepted.
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to contact Brad Butler regarding comment on question 13.21 when
confirmed comment can be closed. (Due Date: 31-Mar-2019)
ACTION ITEM: Ballot checklists AC7140 and AC7140/S (Due Date: 6-Mar-2019)
Subscribers interest in AM powder checklist was discussed and the following subscriber interest
given:
It was agreed further discussion on AM Powder will take place at the October 2019 Nadcap
meeting.
No extra information given above the information from B Streich on NMC Planning and Ops
meeting given.
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S-frm-16 Audit Grading reviewed, and it was agreed that no changes are required to the audit
length criteria for MMM at this time.
Agenda items were established for the June 2019 Nadcap Meeting to be held in Paris, France.
It was discussed on how the MMM Task Group could be organized if AM Powder and then Raw
Material accreditations were raised. The concern would be the time to review the different
accreditations and how this would fit into a five-day week.
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to talk with PRI on how to organize group as processes covered
expands. (Due Date: 1-Jun-2019)
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to discuss with PRI how multiple accreditations can be covered as
meeting max length is 5 days. (Due Date: 31-Mar-2019)
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J. Aston, jaston@p-r-i.org
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting?
(select one)
YES* ☐ NO ☒