I'm Going To Turn In Warner Robins

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Speaker A: Okay.

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Speaker D: My name is Jack James. I'm an attorney in Warren Robbins. I've been working with
Joe -!- and this since probably January as a non attorney. Being an attorney really has no bearing
on our working with Mr. Rossi. So my name is Jack James.

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Speaker B: Turning warning, Robins, we're going to record.

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Speaker E: Same here if that's okay with you.

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Speaker B: Absolutely. And so your name and your role since you spoke real quick. Yeah.

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Speaker E: I'm Tim Waters. I'm a retired electrical engineer, and I write a column for the House
and Home Journal. And so I've been involved in this situation with Joe and Jack.

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Speaker C: Okay. And I'm Joe Rossi. I'm a retired executive, and I teach at a local College here in
the Middle Georgia area. Okay.

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Speaker A: So Mr. Rossi kind of asked me something when you are in the room, we're going to
address it first. So here's how it works. A complaint comes in the Secretary of state's office.
Anybody can file a complaint. Candidate citizen doesn't matter. We even give complaints from
out of state and people who don't like how things are done in Georgia. So complaints come from
anyway, we get the complaints, it'll get assigned to an investigator. The investigator will
investigate it. It will interview whoever the complaint it is. If they put their name on there, we
will interview who the respondent is, who they think committed whatever violation and any
witnesses. We take statements. We do all that. We compile that information. We'll determine if
we think there's a violation of the election code, of the laws, of the rules of the election code,
we'll say, okay, we think there's a violation here or there's not a violation. Either way, that then is
presented to the state election board. We feel there's no violation. They'll get a copy of it. They
can look at it and they can agree. And if you listen to the meetings they have at the beginning,
they'll kind of like take everything as a bulk and close the cases because they agree. They don't
think there's a violation or they can even say no. Pull this one out. We think there is a violation
so they can determine if they agree with our assessment or they want to add to it. Then they'll
decide they want to do a letter of instruction or a letter of reprimand or whatever, or send it to the
AG's office for further. So that's how that works. So it comes in from anybody. We look at it. We
don't have any communication with the state of actually board. We don't have any
communication with the AG office. It's presented at the meeting. At that point. They get it,
they'll assess it, see what they think, either say yes or no, do their little arguments back and forth,
and then either send us the age offers and make a decision on what they want right then and
there. That's how that works. We don't get any cases from the state election board they do not
send cases to us.

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Speaker C: They come from.

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Speaker A: Citizen or whoever decided to file the complaint. So that's how that works in terms of
how we did our cases. Because you're asking, does the state election board, they don't give them
to us as investigators. We don't communicate with the state election board. We don't ask them

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how to run the investigation. Nothing like that. It's all done through us. And when we do the
investigations, everything is done. We're Switzerland. Everything is neutral. It doesn't matter
what party it is. It doesn't matter if I support it through a voter. It doesn't matter. We have to look
at do we have evidence of violation? And do we have witnesses that can cooperate? Do we have
anything that we can go in front of the state election board and say this happened? And this is
why we think this happened. People make speculation all the time, especially in the last one, the
whole stack of cases, speculation. We can't deal on speculation. We have to deal on facts. Where
is the violation? Where is the facts that support that violation? That's how we do that part of it.

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Speaker B: And a good example of that. I don't know if you were listening to the state election
board when I heard the Spaling County case, that was mine. Part of that was actual issues that
Spawning County elections office had with training and how the poll managers are trained. They
had actual issues there. Then there was also the side of that where it was. We saw suspicious
things. So there were two aspects of that that we had to look into. And we made many, many
phone calls, and you would get a phone call.

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Speaker A: I know.

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Speaker B: So and so saw something. So you would call that person? Well, I didn't so much see
it. But if you call this person and this person, I know they saw you call that person. So there's a
lot of work that goes into it because we want to make sure that we let everyone that comes up in
interviews or comes up in documents or evidence that we want to give them a voice to get their
side of the story.

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Speaker A: So now for this one, Mr. Ross said you filed a complaint on this one, correct.

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Speaker C: Well, technically, I sent it to the governor.

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Speaker A: So that's fine. It doesn't matter really where it stands because it will come to us to
investigate it eventually. So it came to us, I guess, from the government. Then you send it to the
governor.

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Speaker C: Governor's request real quick.

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Speaker B: So let me start on that one. So one of my questions, I like to know exactly what
happened from the very beginning to the very, very end. I have to look at everything. So going
on that question.

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Speaker C: How.

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Speaker A: So you sent it to the governor, and then I guess it came to us from the governor.

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Speaker C: I started talking with the governor's team about it.

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Speaker A: That's fine. Okay. And Mr. James, you weren't assisting Mr. Bossi as his attorney or
as an attorney just as a confidant to help him go through this stuff. That's correct. Okay. And
then, Mr. Waters, what was your role in this part of it?

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Speaker E: So I wrote a few stories about it.

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Speaker A: Okay.

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Speaker E: And I was just involved in the discussions.

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Speaker A: How we do this is when we interview complaints, respondents and witnesses in these
things, we do it individually. Okay. So we're going to talk to each one of you individually. And if
there's a group question at the end, that's fine. Someone will help you step out. We'll interview
and kind of do it that way. Had you been here as his attorney, then you would have been in here
while we're interviewing Mr. Rossi, since you're not. And you made that clear. That's fine. We'll

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interview you separately as well. So we interview everyone separately, get all that stuff. And if
you guys don't want to come back in and have questions, that's fine. We can have a good thing at
the end. So we can start with you since you kind of think about this ball roll one, and then they'll
come out and get each one of you individually as we go and run through this. And hopefully I
think we have a pretty good understanding. But hopefully we all have a better understanding at
the end of kind of how this works. Okay.

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Speaker B: Who do you work for?

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Speaker A: We work for the Secretary of State's office. Okay. That's what I thought when I
started at the beginning. So all the States transaction complaints come to the Secretary of State's
office, along with all PLB complaints and securities complaints and all that kind of is all handled
under the umbrella of the Secretary of State's office. Like I've told you before, when we do stuff,
political party or affiliation, none of that has a factor. When I get a complaint, it's done based on
what's there not based on who filed it or who the rep is or who they call. I've been accused in the
same election by both parties for working the other side while working in investigation. Each
side, you're working for them. You're working for them. I can't be working for both sides. I don't
care who wins, who wins, was anything done maliciously or was anything done that violates the
state election code. That's what I look for all these other races. I work for three secretaries. So if I
have another one, which I probably rule in my career because I've got a long time before I retire,
it'll be the same thing. We handle our stuff based on what's in front of us, not based on who's in
the office at the time. All right. So I'll take you two out here.

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Speaker C: I have just one more question. Are you investigating Fulton County or the Secretary
of State's office?

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Speaker A: We'll get into that. I think that was in one of your email. So we'll address that.

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Speaker C: Okay. What was his name again?

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Speaker B: Paul, that is Investigator Zagoran Zagoran.

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Speaker A: If you have a question about investigation part, you can address that first. And then
we'll go into what Investigator Ron said in terms of from here to A to Z. And what you got.

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Speaker C: My question was just around. Are you looking into Fulton County heirs? Are you
looking into Secretary of State's office?

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Speaker A: We would look wherever the evidence takes us. There was mistake made in our office
by the election because we looked into that and said, okay, what's the deal there? And then we
also looked in was the county making a mistake in terms of these numbers and all that type of
stuff. So we'll look at the whole totalitarian of what you sent. And is your complaint
reinvestigate all of it.

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Speaker C: Okay.

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Speaker A: So I think one of the emails mentioned something about investigator off an office, but
that's where it lies, and that's where it will lie.

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Speaker C: Okay.

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Speaker B: But we're looking at that because we're law enforcement. Like I said, I've been
policing almost 34 years, federal county and state. The information or the evidence takes you
where it takes you. And that's simply the way it is. It doesn't matter if it's outside, inside or where
what I like to do is just start from the very beginning and then come up to present. So what I
guess sparked you to investigate or to look into this or to put that much work into Fulton County
or just how that process started.

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Speaker C: Just looked at the data posted on the Secretary of state's website.

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Speaker B: Okay.

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Speaker C: Regarding Houston County, Fulton County, different counties. I'm from Houston
County. Okay.

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Speaker B: Because I saw you had some numbers from Houston. Did you look into any other
County Besides Houseton to Fulton? Okay. So just as a citizen, you said I'm interested in this in
elections, and I'm going to just dig into the numbers and look in full county.

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Speaker C: Okay.

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Speaker B: Who did you send your findings to first? So you have your findings and you want to
report those findings?

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Speaker C: Who did you report those two?

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Speaker A: First?

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Speaker C: I corresponded with Mr. Sterling.

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Speaker A: Okay.

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Speaker B: So I saw some emails there. I saw that Mr. Sterling did an investigation. Did you get a
copy of what he found?

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Speaker C: He sent me emails. I have a number of his emails here real quick on that.

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Speaker A: What we have from the governor's office is, like, 40 pages. That was your I don't
know if we ever got your direct complaint. We got, like, what they sent us. That was it, right?

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Speaker C: Yes.

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Speaker A: Got it.

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Speaker C: Okay.

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Speaker A: So we have all that information, right. Okay. So you looked at our website and you
look at the numbers you went to, like, all the counties are listed. You went to Fulton County, and
that's what you looked at. But you looked at the one above it that said the RLA had everything
listed. All the counties like AppleNew, Wilkes, where it was all listed in order. Which one did
you look at?

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Speaker C: I looked at the Excel spreadsheet that was on the Secretary of State's website.

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Speaker A: It had every county on it because you mentioned the road numbers in there and that's
one that would have the vote number.

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Speaker C: The governor's office listed those, right? Yeah.

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Speaker A: Okay. So those are there. Then there was the other part that was on there. It was the
actual batch sheets that were scanned on there. So if you look at those as well.

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Speaker C: Yes.

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Speaker A: So you looked the whole spreadsheet and then the bat sheets, you went through all
that. So when you looked at all that, did you come to a conclusion where you think there was a
violation with the state election code with what you looked at or what were you looking at on
there? There. Where was an issue?

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Speaker C: I'm not familiar with the state election code. They had a lot of accounting errors in it.
Okay.

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Speaker A: That's the big thing with the accounting error.

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Speaker C: Well, initially, the bat sheets that were posted per Mr. Sterling's email weren't all
posted. That was the first thing that was uncovered. And he sent me an email back and said, yes,
we're in here. We failed to post all the bat sheets, and then they went back and reposted all the
bat sheets first, he told me they were all posted since last November in an email, and I said, I'm
new to this, but it doesn't look like they're all there. And he said, yeah, you're correct. We made
an error. We didn't post all the back sheets. So that was the first finding I uncovered.

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Speaker A: Is that the issue with the Secretary of State's office is that they didn't post all the bad
sheets?

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Speaker C: No, that was one item that came up initially that prompted questions that I might have
about this hand RLA audit.

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Speaker A: What were the other ones that were you're asking about both sides? What were the
other ones that involved? Sos where you think there was an issue with Secretary of State's
website.

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Speaker C: The Secretary of State's website per Mr. Sterling was supposed to post the bat sheets
on there. He referred me to his website and said, if you want to, I didn't understand what batch
sheets were. But he said, if you want to understand what batch sheets are, they've been on our

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website since November. So I went in and said, okay, let me look at them. And when I looked at
them, they were several 100,000 votes short of the 525 total for Fulton County, and they were all
there for Houseman County. So that said something's not right. So I emailed him. He said, you
are correct. And I got his email. But he said, You're correct. We didn't scan all the images or
something, and we'll have it corrected by Friday.

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Speaker B: Do you remember around what date that was?

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Speaker C: I don't remember exactly. Probably February can I answer this? A shot. Hey, Sean.
Hello. Okay. Just come on in when you're ready. All right, sir. Thanks.

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Speaker A: Okay. So is that the only issue with the Secretary of State's office? Is the batch or is
there something else Besides the bat sheet?

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Speaker C: Well, for the governor's report, I'll refer you to it. He calls out 40 pages. He calls them
inconsistencies.

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Speaker A: But that was what you sent those 40 pages, right.

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Speaker C: I sent them 40 pages.

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Speaker A: Okay. What did you send the governor's office?

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Speaker C: I sent him some of the errors from the Secretary of State's Excel spreadsheet, and then
he went and he went and investigated those errors himself from the Secretary of State's website
and generated this report.

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Speaker B: So they found more than what you sent them?

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Speaker C: No, they vetted all the ones that I sent them.

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Speaker B: Okay, so you sent them all those inconsistencies that are in the 40 page report?

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Speaker C: Yes. Well, I sent them. You're correct. I went through that Excel spreadsheet that's
posted on the Secretary of State's website, publicly available, found accounting errors. I said, this
looks like an accounting error. Can you look at it? This looks like an accounting error. And then
they generated this report.

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Speaker B: How long did that take you to do that?

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Speaker C: It wasn't long. I mean, it's accounting either two plus two equals four.

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Speaker B: So that's your background accounting?

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Speaker C: No, I'm a chemical engineer.

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Speaker B: Okay.

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Speaker A: Now I'm a little confused. My understanding was that you send all that to the
governor's office. They just verified it and then sent it to us. So what did you actually send the
governor's office in terms of what your issue was? I sent them highlighted errors from that Excel
spreadsheet from the one that has all the counties listed and has just where it shows you're
talking about.

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Speaker C: Stuff like you guys could go to the website if you want to look at it.

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Speaker A: I have. But stuff like this scanner one batch 18 has a number, and then scanner 118
has the same number saying is duplicated. That's your errors?

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Speaker C: Yes.

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Speaker A: Okay. So I'm going to go back again. The issue with our office with the Secretary of
State's office. So I don't miss anything and not address it is those errors. You think we're on the
Secretary of State. Those errors that are posted was a mistake by the Secretary of State's office.

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Speaker C: I don't know. They're posted on the Secretary of State website.

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Speaker A: So let's back up here's how this works. All the counties, all 159, send us the
information. Most of them send it electronically. It comes right into the website. They cannot
alter or disseminate that. We can't touch that because it's not our information. It's not our
findings. If you hand me a picture, right, or of somebody dripping a ballot in half or altering a
ballot, I can't change what you sent me because that's what you sent me. That you thought was
evidence. I can't alter that or change that I have to present that as Mr. Washi sent me this picture.
But we also found the security camera where it was different. And this is whatever. We cannot
alter that. The counties do that. The counties are responsible. The counties send it to us. All we
do is post. We cannot mess with that, because then we're in trouble because we're disseminating
the county's official documents. We can't mess with that. That's not a Secretary of thinking. All
we have to do is post.

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Speaker C: So you say the double counts were entered by the counties.

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Speaker A: Then counties, not us. Okay, now the batch sheets were scanned by us because Fulton
didn't do it electronically. They said that's bat sheets and I'm with you. I didn't know what a bat
sheet went either. Now we had somebody in our office scan the ballots, scan the batteries.

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Speaker UNK: Right.

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Speaker A: Boom. They go through it. Came to the attention of the Secretary of state's office a
few weeks later. I don't know if it was you. It could have been somebody else that said, hey, the
numbers don't look right. I don't think you have all the back sheets in there. So then someone in
our office, you got to understand the head of elections and the head of investigations are no
longer here that were there. Then just turn over to people, moved on to different jobs at that time.
The decision. They looked at it and said, okay, we have X number of boxes or use a ten.
Obviously, there is more information on these boxes that are on this on the website, like with lots
or attention. So someone made the decision. How do we know which ones were scanned and
which ones weren't scanned? Because it's a person doing it. That person still works for us. So
they said, okay, what we're going to do is we're going to rescan them. We'll redo it, put all the
boxes over here, all ten, scan the box, move it over here. So now we know which ones are
scanned. Obviously, you can't have both of them on this. They took the first one out. The
decision was made, not by us. Decision was made to remove the incomplete batch and put the
new batch up. Now we have what we think is everything that Fortune County gave us. We have
them all. So now those are put back on there.

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Speaker UNK: Right.

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Speaker A: So just looking at it from that aspect, whoever made that decision at the time probably
seems like probably the right decision. They didn't have everything in there. They'll take off
what's incomplete. We'll put the new ones on there. There's everything. I'm sure when Gabe said
that he didn't know that that was incomplete. I don't think anybody knew because they passed
someone. Mr. Brown, can you scan these, please? Yes. Did you scan them all? Yes. Who knows?
I mean, you booked through all this. I booked through all this. There's 1001, 9000 hundred plus
pages there. But then it was watching our attention. Hey, this isn't complete. So they corrected
that I would look at that as not being anything malicious, that they were trying to hide anything
because everything else was in the other part, right? They said 1915 lines in that spreadsheet that
you're talking about. It goes from 18, 582 to 20,000, 497. And then we scanned 1001, 9000
hundred plus batch sheets. So all the information was on there one way, and then the bat sheets
were kind of the secondary. So obviously the bat sheets weren't right to take it down. Put the new
bat sheets up. Now the numbers are going to match or be a lot closer. So I understand that part.
So Besides that information being wrong, which is the county? Like I said, we can't match with
that. It's like a lot of people don't understand. The county runs the elections, not us. We can't tell

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the county who to hire managers, whatever. We don't run the election. The county does. If
somebody goes into a polling place and they start taking a picture or campaigning with 150 deep,
the poll manager has to address that, not the state BCM data wanted as a complaint made. They
were campaign too close. But at the time, the counties won that part.

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Speaker C: Did the Secretary of State's office check the data that was entered from the counties
for counting years?

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Speaker A: We checked everyone? No, because we have a second.

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Speaker C: Did you say everyone or none?

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Speaker A: I'd have to ask that question.

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Speaker C: That would be a question.

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Speaker A: But I don't think we do because it's the county's information, right? It's the county
stuff. We cannot mess with that.

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Speaker C: I'm not saying mess with it. There's a difference between messing with it and
checking it for errors because it is posted on your website.

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Speaker A: Yes, it is. Okay.

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Speaker C: And you want to have accurate information on your website? We're just a conduit,
right? A conduit of false information or correct information.

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Speaker A: If Fulton County gives us false information, that false information is going to be on
there because they provided it. We can't adjust it. We can't change it. We can't mess with it.
Now.

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Speaker C: One question is, did you check it?

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Speaker A: Hold on. I'll find out. I would say we probably didn't go through all 159 counties and
check everyone because we still be doing it.

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Speaker C: Okay. I'd like to know the answer. Did they check it? And how did they check it?
They checked one or two or one county or three.

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Speaker A: It probably wasn't checked on all 159 counties. Okay. Now whether we're going to
pick out one or two counties, I don't know, but you can kind of run into a problem with that.
Why didn't you pick us and not them? Why didn't you pick BIF? Why didn't you pick the Cab
County? Why didn't you pick the Cater County? Why did you pick me? So there's issues there.
I'm not saying we couldn't do it, but I'm just saying. So when we look at it, it just posted. Now
we're going to go through every county and every line like you did. I commend you because I
didn't like doing it.

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Speaker C: I would Echo what the governor said. Which is it's posted on the Secretary of state's
website. And you could read his second page. It's sloppy, inconsistent and doesn't build public
confidence.

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Speaker A: Not us.

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Speaker C: It's on your website, though.

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Speaker A: No. But like I said, we did not do that information. If it's on a website that we did
where we did the information.

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Speaker C: It'S your website, then I would agree.

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Speaker A: The website is just a place. It's just a convert for them to put the stuff right. I
guarantee the governor was Secretary of state for nine years. Do you want me to go back and
find something on the website that may not have been perfectly consistent during this nine years?
We didn't post it. The county posted. You have to be able to separate, because if US accounty. So
right now Fulton County did that the two things we're going to address that in a second. The
Fulton County side.

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Speaker C: All right.

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Speaker A: For us.

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Speaker C: Yes.

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Speaker A: It's on our website. Like I said, we can't alter what they give us. The Fulton County
would have given us.

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Speaker C: You're saying I'm saying things I'm not saying. I'm not asking you to alter it. Okay.

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Speaker A: There's a county there now what he wants to do.

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Speaker C: I think you go back to the county and say you have accounting errors. Go fix them.

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Speaker A: Okay. Then what? It's already on there.

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Speaker C: Then you say just like you did with the batch tally sheets, you correct the error. That's
on your website, right? Notice about not all the batch tally sheets were scanned.

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Speaker A: That was our error, right?

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Speaker C: It's on your website.

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Speaker A: But I don't know if the county is then going to have to go through because we already
had the original account. Then we had the week account. So we know the numbers were pretty
close. We know it didn't change the election.

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Speaker C: You're talking about the hand on it. There was a machine count one hand on it in the
middle and then machine count two. Right.

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Speaker A: So go back to Fulton County. They go through all these again, basically do it all over
again and then resubmit it to us. Can we do that? Possibly.

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Speaker C: I'll tell you what. If I submitted an annual report to PepsiCo in my division, which
Iran had errors in it, the CEO would not sign off on that annual report and they would not be able
to blame it on Southeast region.

[00:27:07]
Speaker A: Like the old voting machines were just basically like an adding machine. Remember
the old voting machines, they were like an adding machine. They weren't connected to anything.
So you pull up the card and tell you how many votes were on it. That's all we are. We're just a
convert. That's up to come in there we are not posting that. It is not an SOS generated report. It's
not something the SOS are doing. We don't control these counties. 157 counties do it correctly
and two do it wrong. So you check Houston County because you're from Houston County. So
someone else is going to say, why didn't you check athlen county? Why didn't you check
Paulding County? I would say that's completely verifying, but I'm probably pretty confident here.
We didn't check all 159 county. They sent the information it's posted. We cannot. Now I would

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tend to agree at the accounting issues and we can go back to Fulton County and look at the
accounting issues and find out what happened, which I believe I know what happened. We can
find out what happened there and then whether or not someone will make the decision, whether
it's Secretary Vapkinsburger, whether it's Gabe, whether it's I don't know. The election board
would get involved in it and tell Fulton County to redo it and fix those account owners and put it
back on there. To me at this point, I think that would be kind of useless as a right word, but it's
done. It's been certified. It's not changing. You're going to have a new director in Fulton County
soon. They really need to go back and do all this. That's a county issue. That's something that
someone wherever can make that decision to tell Fulton County to redo this. I don't know what's
our place to tell them to redo it. Now we can tell them on certain violations. State election board
will say you have to fix this. You have to have additional training.

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Speaker B: You have to have a letter.

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Speaker A: Whatever the case may be or fine, has been fined several times or find whatever they
did wrong. I think you're saying because it's on our website, it's our responsibility. These are not
our responsibility.

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Speaker C: I respectfully disagree with that, but I have two questions. One, I would like to know
if the hand audit data posted on the Secretary of state's website from that Excel spreadsheet. I
would like to know if that was checked at all. I would tend to agree with you that this is not
calculus here. This is basic math. I would bet that nobody checked it because you would scroll
through there and you would have seen this stuff in 15 minutes as I did.

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Speaker A: I did.

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Speaker C: I didn't have a computer program to help me find all that. So then my second question
is around. So did they check it or did you not check it? Right. So if you didn't check it, how
could you make a statement that the hand on it verified the machine count numbers like you said,
basic numbers.

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Speaker A: If you have 301 candidate has 360,000 votes, the other count has 350,000 issues. I
know that's not the number one number. 350,000 votes, 340,000 votes the machine and they do
the audit.

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Speaker C: What do what audit the machine count or the hand on it.

[00:30:20]
Speaker A: Right. The hand count. And this count now has 352,000. This one has 346,000. The
result didn't change.

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Speaker C: Do you know how many errors are in that Excel spreadsheet?

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Speaker A: We'll get that in a second. The numbers didn't want to do the hand count. I would say
those numbers are somewhat irrelevant.

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Speaker C: I'll tell you why the hand count numbers.

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Speaker A: No one's in that Excel spreadsheet, because if you look at all these errors, I looked
down too, right. If you look at all these errors and look at all the mistakes in there that they
made, the hand count would have been different because you're saying they doubled it. So let's
say they doubled it for one candidate ten times, right? At 1000 to pop that's 10,000 votes. That
shouldn't have gone to this candidate because they doubled it. That means in the hand counts,
candidate two should have gotten 10,000 more. Now, all of a sudden, you're only like, 1000 or
2000 off. And we're not. We're still almost the same percentage wise.

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Speaker C: But isn't that spreadsheet the results of the hand count.

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Speaker A: Not by that, just by the spreadsheet. No, they did that handcuff do the numbers.

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Speaker C: It's not off this much.

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Speaker A: That's the way I look at it, from what you sent us, what? The governor's office and it's
what I looked at it. It wasn't off like I would think it would be when I'm looking at your report.
Right. And I'm going through it all and thinking, I know we're talking about that. I can see it took
you 15 minutes. It took me four. I did it. So I'm looking at it. But then what I would look at is
okay.

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Speaker C: What took me 15 minutes to note the rare. So it didn't take me 15 minutes, 15
minutes. I said there's errors.

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Speaker A: But once I started looking at it, whether I got lucky or not. But I found one of the
areas kind of right away. So I understand what you're saying, but those back sheets aren't so like
there was one in here where the person votes, like, 100 and nothing 100 and nothing 100 and
nothing. But then you looked at the sheets and the sheets were like the sheets, 80 to 20. I guess
the individual ballot.

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Speaker C: Somebody looked at ballot images.

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Speaker A: Whatever.

[00:32:40]
Speaker UNK: Yeah.

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Speaker A: And it was like 80 to 20. And then it was 75 point 25. And then it was 90 to ten. So if
you look at the one number, it was 400 and nothing. When you look at the ballot images, it was
373 to 30.

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Speaker C: I don't have the exact numbers off the top of my head's purposes here.

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Speaker A: I've got the number written down. So it's still within that percentage. So if there were
this many errors, it was scanned twice. If it was done egregiously, if it was all errors one way,
because there were also errors the other way. I noticed.

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Speaker C: Right.

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Speaker A: Well, the other candidate got a big chunk and the other guy got nothing, right?

[00:33:23]
Speaker C: I counted for some of those.

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Speaker A: So the hand count, the hand recount. If all these errors, if there's double scanning, all
those accusations that were made happen to me, the hand count in that county should have been
like this. It should have been a lot closer. It shouldn't have stayed at 75% or whatever it was it
should have been up to, like, Holy cow rolling within 1000 volts.

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Speaker C: You're confusing me on the hand count. So you're saying the hand count, the Excel
spreadsheet is the results of the hand on it? Correct.

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Speaker A: We're talking about the same thing. Is that what it is?

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Speaker C: Yes.

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Speaker B: Those bat sheets are uploaded. Those numbers are uploaded into what's called the
Arlo system at the county level.

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Speaker C: Right. Two people sit at a table. They count by hand, and then they have a batch sheet
for that batch. They give that batch teach to someone that someone goes and enters it into that
Excel spreadsheet.

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Speaker B: They upload it into what's called the Arlo system level.

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Speaker C: Right. But the results of that, then, would be the results of the county.

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Speaker B: We'll say full all the bat sheets. They're at the World Congress Center. Everybody's
counting 100 plus tables. I'm there working there. They're working very hard. To me. It appeared
there were good instructions. You remember the kids on the instructions?

[00:34:45]
Speaker C: No, I wasn't.

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Speaker B: So anyway, to me, the instructions were good. I've had people from both parties say
that we felt the instructions were adequate.

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Speaker C: A lot of people.

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Speaker B: There are a lot of tables, 100 and 3140 sub tables. People are counting. There's
runners going everywhere. They count the bat sheet, they write it down. The bat sheet goes to a
runner. The runner takes it up to a table where there's a team. The team is uploading the numbers
on that back sheet into the Arlo system.

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Speaker C: Okay.

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Speaker B: The Arlo system is again at that county level. Once that is entered, they hit submit.
And then it goes into that which is at the Secretary of state's level. That's what you're seeing on
that spreadsheet is what those people in the World Congress Center are uploading into Arlo.

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Speaker C: So what you just walked through there makes perfect sense to me. So I would
conclude from that then that the results of the hand on it. Let's say it's batch one. All right. 50

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Trump 50 Biden. Right. So that's the hand audit numbers. 50 50. Right. So then that gets entered
into our little batch sheet.

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Speaker B: Handwritten handwritten, batch seat. Runner takes it up there.

[00:35:56]
Speaker C: It's probably got a big step on that Excel spreadsheet. What would be the numbers for
that batch should be 50 50, right?

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Speaker B: Yes. So what's uploaded into Arlo, and once they hit submit, those numbers are the
numbers that's going to appear in the Excel spreadsheet. And I'll let him explain about how the
Arlo system works and searching Arlo and how that data is. It was very interesting to us when
we got into the weeds.

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Speaker C: So what I was trying to conclude there get alignment on was that the numbers counted
for the hand on it for an individual batch should match the numbers for that row on the Excel
spreadsheet, assuming they're keyed in properly. Right hand audit numbers. And there's not
Excel spreadsheet numbers. Technically, they should be the same purpose of reporting.

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Speaker A: I'm showing Mr. Ross, look at this. This says Standard one, batch 18. So 26, 72, 126,
72. One. But what happened was somebody entered it absentee scanner one batch 18 into Arlo.
That's the number that came up. Somebody else. Right.

[00:37:20]
Speaker C: Got this badge and entered it again in our loop.

[00:37:23]
Speaker A: Let me tell you why they put scanner one eight because they weren't typing that whole
thing out. That's too much. They just type scanner in.

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Speaker C: Right.

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Speaker A: What happens in that system doesn't catch that.

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Speaker C: It's the same one, right.

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Speaker A: Because they didn't type it in the same way on all of these sheets. You have that same
mistake over and over and over because like this one here did the same thing.

[00:37:47]
Speaker C: So let's stick with that example.

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Speaker A: So hold on.

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Speaker C: Okay.

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Speaker A: The other thing that will happen is if I put a space between scanner and one.

[00:37:54]
Speaker C: Yes, I noticed.

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Speaker A: And then the next one.

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Speaker C: Yeah, it doesn't have it a lot of these you would find the types was different. Yes.

[00:38:00]
Speaker A: So that's how they both get in there.

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Speaker C: It's like two different people doing it.

[00:38:03]
Speaker UNK: Yes.

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Speaker A: That's how that gets to them. Now, this one here.

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Speaker C: Now, let me go back to my question. So for that batch, what was the vote count? 20.
Something to what? What was the real number for that batch?

[00:38:14]
Speaker A: 26 70.

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Speaker C: If you counted the ballot, that's what you should have gotten. Right?

[00:38:20]
Speaker A: I believe so. Yes.

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Speaker C: Okay. But now in the spreadsheet, you have 26, 71 once and 26. 71 twice. Okay. Back
to my question then is how could you say the hand audit verified the machine count if the hand
audit had accounting years once again.

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Speaker A: Because I would say it wasn't exact correct.

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Speaker C: It wasn't exact. The hand count and the Excel spreadsheet.

[00:38:55]
Speaker A: No, the machine count, right. Because people are looking at them on the hand count.
They're looking at them. They're saying yes. This was a Biden vote over here.

[00:39:03]
Speaker UNK: Yes.

[00:39:03]
Speaker A: This was a Trump vote over here. Right. So the hand count was off a little bit from the
machine count.

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Speaker C: But that spreadsheet is not off a little bit. It's off a lot of it. Hold on yet. Up all the
ears. It's off a lot.

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Speaker A: It's off 46 boats. Hold on.

[00:39:19]
Speaker C: No, that's the whole. Okay, I've done. The numbers that spreadsheet is off. Not a little
bit, but a lot of it.

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Speaker A: Explained it. Right.

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Speaker C: Okay.

[00:39:35]
Speaker A: Here's the gap from the machine. The machine says buying one by. I know it's not
10,000. We're using that for just analogy. Yes. Biden won by 10,000 votes from machine count.

[00:39:58]
Speaker C: One machine count, one got it.

[00:40:00]
Speaker A: Now we do hand counts, even with their errors. I don't think they made them all one
way. Even with their errors, where they put this in the system, they kind of entered it wrong. So
that's going to be like a housekeeping thing on forulton county in terms of how many people did
that. But even though they put those in wrong, guess what. The number was now 35,100. Hold
on to 24,400. It was sure he moved up a little bit.

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Speaker C: But it was still that's not correct, sir.

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Speaker A: The numbers I have show it's.

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Speaker C: Still, if you add up the errors in that spreadsheet, you're not going to how many did
you get? You guys do the work, but it's a lot of them.

[00:40:42]
Speaker A: No, that's what I'm telling you. I'm using a basic number. What I'm saying is, I know
it's not 100.

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Speaker C: It's significant.

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Speaker A: I didn't see this significant.

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Speaker C: It's out. Do math. It's outcome determinative.

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Speaker A: Okay, if it was over 10,000 votes before by the machine count and it's still over
10,000 votes with the hand count, that's not significant. Yes, the hand count should be within a
couple of thousand votes. That's what I was telling you.

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Speaker C: If you just add up the duplicates from the governor's report, just add up the duplicates.

[00:41:12]
Speaker A: Okay, hold on. Here's the problem. I can't just add up to Governor's duplicates. I have
to look at all of it. So there were mistakes made, I think on the other side, that gave Trump more.

[00:41:26]
Speaker C: Coming back to my premise, which was until somebody checks that hold on. You
shouldn't say that the hand right now. You're telling me you don't know, right? You don't know
what that is.

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Speaker A: What I'm saying is if it's within. Okay, if it was 12,000 originally, I'd say we do the
hand count, and now it's a 10,000 gap. So it made up 2000, right? To me.

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Speaker C: To me, it's only one county that's not significant. One county hold on 2000 votes and
a 10,000 vote gap is not significant.

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Speaker A: Okay, for the one county because it's not going to change anything. Now, on that
same part, I found some errors on the other side. So you say, like right here, it's like 46 votes,
right? 46, 46, 46, 46. And then I found one on the other side. It's 200.

[00:42:14]
Speaker C: Right.

[00:42:14]
Speaker A: That's going to offset these errors.

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Speaker C: And I did the net. Okay, because I found both. There's errors on both sides. But what
I'll tell you is if you do the net then and add up the errors on the Secretary of state's website, it is
a significant number that's for the hand recap for the hand audit.

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Speaker B: Okay, that's what we're talking about.

[00:42:37]
Speaker A: Now, remember, the hand audit is also done, but people are looking at it.

[00:42:40]
Speaker C: So here's my question. So if you guys do the math and you go through this and you
look at the net vote error on that hand on it, it will be a significant number.

[00:42:55]
Speaker A: We got it in there. I think it's also on our website.

[00:43:00]
Speaker C: That number on your website uses the air data where the double and triple counting.
So if you go out and you back out all the errors, that number on your website is wrong.

[00:43:13]
Speaker A: I'm going to get to something else on that.

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Speaker C: Hold on. Let me finish what I was saying. So if you go and do the math and the
governor's team did it, they did the math and they said this is a significant number of votes. They
didn't put it in here, but it's a significant number.

[00:43:27]
Speaker A: Okay.

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Speaker C: But if you go do the math and check it, then you can't make the statement that the
hand audit verified the first machine count. You just can't do that. It's not factual. And that's the
premise of okay, don't take that lightly, because that's why I'm here.

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Speaker A: Okay, well, here's the other part. As an investigator as a police officer is doing an
investigation. If they left something out of their report, it doesn't count. It needs to be in there.
The governor said told you one thing said, hey, it's significant, but he didn't put it in that report
that he sent to us. I can't use that as evidence.

[00:44:06]
Speaker C: They didn't want to do the numbers. But if you look at the numbers.

[00:44:11]
Speaker A: You said they said that it was a significant difference, but they didn't put in that
report. So I can't take that because the tears say I need factual.

[00:44:18]
Speaker C: Well, you can look at that and see that it's significant because there's a significant
duplicate.

[00:44:22]
Speaker A: Well, look at this one here. This was one that came up on the list. It's an ash and T
scan of three and had the numbers. And then you guys said, Wait a minute. One and three are the
same. That's because somebody made a mistake and put three. They crossed it out. Okay, so
we're clear on how that works.

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Speaker C: I'm generally understanding how you're saying the errors occurred. Okay.

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Speaker A: My premise is that if you take all the errors out, does it change the vote? Does it
change the winner?

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Speaker C: It's a significant amount.

[00:44:52]
Speaker A: No, I get that. Does it change the winner? When you saw did it change? Did Trump
win Polton County?

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Speaker C: No. Didn't win Fulton County. I'm sorry, but he closed the gap.

[00:45:02]
Speaker A: Okay, but he didn't win Fulton County?

[00:45:04]
Speaker C: No. Okay, that's an irrelevant question. Did he win Fulton County County? I
understand that there are 300,000 difference.

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Speaker A: Exactly.

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Speaker C: But the net for the election was only $11,100, right?

[00:45:22]
Speaker UNK: Yes.

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Speaker C: So if it's several thousand here, several thousand here.

[00:45:27]
Speaker A: But then you have to say you came to my Fulton County. Do you check all 159
county?

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Speaker C: No, that's not my job.

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Speaker A: I'm not saying it is your job. I just asked them the question.

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Speaker C: No, but if the Secretary of state says the hand audit verified the machine count.
Somebody at the Secretary of state's office should have verified the data from the counties did
not have accounting errors. That's my number two.

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Speaker A: Did the governor's office check all one on just question.

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Speaker C: And I commend them because I told them, please, I don't want to go out there. And
my data is incorrect. And they kept it for weeks and weeks and weeks. And they had the whole
team vetted it. And I was very appreciative of their efforts because I got a lot of other stuff.

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Speaker A: We're looking at the whole state, your complaint, the governor's report, all of that is
based around one county, right? Just one. And we're saying there was a significant thing in the
county. It was a 300,000 vote difference that could have changed the election in all of Georgia,
even though if you look at a map without seeing it right now, I would say Trump won more
counties invited, but nobody checked all 159 counties. We only checked one.

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Speaker C: Just clarify. I'm not here to change the election results. Okay, so those questions, in
my opinion, Trump would have won and all that is irrelevant. I'm here because I believe there is.
You call it sloppy, inconsistent. I call it accounting years.

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Speaker B: Okay.

[00:47:20]
Speaker C: Posted on the Secretary of State's website. For a national public, they're posted
publicly for a national election, which is obviously important. And then there's also a statement
made by the Secretary of state that says the hand audit verified machine count.

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Speaker B: Okay, let me ask you this. Do you feel like all the counties in Georgia, they're entering
data into that Arlo system? They hit submit that goes here. It's posted. Do you believe that the
Secretary of state's office should verify every piece of data that comes into this Excel sheet from
all of those Arlo updates or uploads.

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Speaker C: I can't speak to the rules, but what I would say is.

[00:48:09]
Speaker B: No, I'm asking you, Mr. Ross.

[00:48:11]
Speaker C: Yeah, I would think that before I made the statement that says that the hand audit
verified the machine count, I would make sure that the hand audit verifies.

[00:48:25]
Speaker B: So a little more in the weeds, then.

[00:48:27]
Speaker C: Okay.

[00:48:27]
Speaker B: So Arlo, you got somebody in Butts County. Boom.

[00:48:31]
Speaker C: Submit.

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Speaker B: All the counties are uploaded. Do you feel like that all of that information that's
coming in from every county should be verified. All of that data, all those back sheets.

[00:48:44]
Speaker A: Not the back sheets we have to do. The actual physical ballot count is what you're
saying, because the back sheets, we already know the bat sheets are somewhere wrong. Some of
them are duplicated because of how they were in or gone. Not necessarily. The Bachelor was
wrong, but they were in or twice. So you're saying the Secretary of state's office should have
done a hand count on every ballot?

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Speaker C: No. They should have checked the artless spreadsheet for accounting years. Okay.

[00:49:06]
Speaker B: For every County.

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Speaker C: I think they should have checked them for accounting errors, had some process. Now
I don't know whether it's I know there's accounting rules that if you check this amount, this
percentage, then statistically, you've checked it?

[00:49:25]
Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker C: But I believe. And I think you guys don't want to put words in your mouth. I don't
think they check they even looked at because you would have found those errors in 15 minutes
for Fulton County. Yeah.

[00:49:37]
Speaker A: Now there might not be any errors anywhere else in the state of those errors.

[00:49:42]
Speaker C: I really don't think they checked any of that. They didn't look at any of those
spreadsheets.

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Speaker B: Okay.

[00:49:53]
Speaker A: We do that. That's not our previous.

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Speaker C: But I think that's a huge gap in the system, especially if you're going to tout the hand
on it as verifying the machine count. Okay.

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Speaker B: So going back to my original question, you feel like all that data that comes in from
Arlo from all over the state should be checked line for line there before it's posted on a website.

[00:50:13]
Speaker C: Ideally, it would. I don't know if that's practical or not.

[00:50:16]
Speaker A: Though, in some counties you look at this. Some counties, Trump got more Biden, got
more some. They stayed almost identical, even between the hand count and the machine count.
But when you look at Fulton County, just what I'm looking at. What's on here? The risk
dominant audit hand count and your original reporting or a difference of 334 somewhere there.

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Speaker C: But that number is based on an error.

[00:50:45]
Speaker UNK: Yes.

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Speaker A: We're going to agree on that. That's based on an error. It's a difference of 345 phones.
So to go to the side of do you think these errors were egregious or just mistakes?

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Speaker C: I think they were purposely. Yes, I have no idea. I just know they exist.

[00:51:07]
Speaker A: It was a mistake.

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Speaker C: Well, I can't say that. I just know they exist.

[00:51:11]
Speaker A: Well, no, but I showed you how it kind of happened, how they could enter twice with
different if they type it differently. We can see that could be that's back. We can see that on here.
We have a difference of 345.

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Speaker UNK: Right.

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Speaker A: So what I look at is you have the original machine and you have the hand count, right.
And it's a difference. Those numbers are pretty close.

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Speaker C: But the 345 is based on error data.

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Speaker A: Exactly. I'm not disagreeing with that. We're on the same page here. It's based on that
error data of 345. In order to say that I know the accusations were that Colton County was
double scanning and triple scanning and all this type of stuff.

[00:52:03]
Speaker C: I'm laser focused on that hand on it on the Secretary of state's website as accounting
errors.

[00:52:09]
Speaker A: Yes. No.

[00:52:12]
Speaker C: But they didn't check them. It wouldn't pass a simple annual report for any company.
The stockholders would not accept it.

[00:52:20]
Speaker A: But what I'm looking at here is we know there were doubles done, but just based on
what they submitted, the 100, 100 and zero or the same thing being put in twice or whatever.
According to this, they went by these back sheep numbers, and they're only a difference of 345,
correct?

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Speaker C: No, that 345 is based on accounting errors.

[00:52:45]
Speaker A: No. What I'm saying is, you're doing a hand count. He's doing a hand count. You're
handing me the bat sheet. So I take the bat sheet and it says 1000 absenteestander 2000.

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Speaker C: Where did the 345 number come from? Is that from the X? Right. But what's the
origin of that? What's the source for it. Okay.

[00:53:09]
Speaker A: It says risk limiting audit. Full hand count. Bolton county 137, roughly 381. Biden
had a difference in 243. Five, nine.

[00:53:22]
Speaker C: All right, so if you get those numbers there or if you add up that Aired Excel
spreadsheet, that's where those numbers come from.

[00:53:31]
Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with you on that.

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Speaker C: Okay. So those numbers are OCP. The origin of those numbers is an arid spreadsheet.
Okay, so there's no need to quote that 345 number because the origin of that.

[00:53:47]
Speaker A: The original reporting was a difference of Biden was 243. Nine hundreds. The other
one was 2.3, 500. They're saying the difference Trump went up 345 votes. Closed the gap 3.5
from the original reporting to the hand count. Okay, so let's go back here. So you're saying if you
look at all these egregious errors or these errors where they like I said, you hand me the bat
sheet, it says 1000. I type in 1000. I go to the next batch sheet. 1000, 1000, 150. So I enter all
this false bad information in there, right. Because that's whatever it was, right. The Gap Ridge.
The bad information is only 345. Are we on the same page now? Because that's why I entered it
was entered twice.

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Speaker C: 345. Gap is based on air data entered air data entered, right. Counting years. If you
didn't have the accounting years, that gap would be much bigger.

[00:55:02]
Speaker A: The 345 is still that's 345 from the original one, right?

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Speaker C: What I'm saying, though.

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Speaker A: Is that so are you saying the original one squad, too?

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Speaker C: I don't know. I'm just saying that 345 would be a much higher number if you took out
the accounting error to get the accounting errors, right? That number would be higher than let's
say we go back in you and you were going we're going taking out all the duplicates and all that
stuff. Right.

[00:55:28]
Speaker A: But in order to do that, I think you got to be countless. So you're going to go back and
you're going to count 19 or 300.

[00:55:35]
Speaker C: I don't 700,000 votes. I'm not here to offer the remedy. I'm here to point out the
problem. You guys and the governor and attorney general are responsible for the remedy. I'm
here to point out the problem.

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Speaker A: Let's say we go back in there and we count all those again, do a full hand count and
full counting.

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Speaker C: Okay.

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Speaker UNK: Right.

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Speaker A: Because we don't know if all the errors went one way, we don't know if there's other
ones in there that were missed.

[00:56:00]
Speaker UNK: Right.

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Speaker A: Like, for instance, one of these had something that I agreed with you guys on. Okay,
so this one here, which they made a typo, the governor, whoever did his name typo, it was

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actually 21 is the actual number, not first one. So it's Dan one batch 97. It should have been 21,
74 and three. Scan 197 is 43 point 45. But what happened was that's 47. What does that look
like?

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Speaker UNK: 97.

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Speaker A: Exactly. So 97 is in there twice. So 47. So you're looking at it thinking, well, 47
wasn't in there. So this isn't a mistake. 47 was just entered wrong. So you got to take that one out
because there's not a 47 in there, right? Because 47 was in the is 97. So that's the other issue is it
looks like it's in her twice. But it's not because the other one was never put in there on this one.
For this one instance, you have two issues. They were both put in under the same number, but
the number is going to be right. The count is going to be correct because they didn't put 47 in
because they thought it was 97.

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Speaker C: So here's what I think we've does that make sense? It does here's where I think we're
just having more than you think. Yeah, I can't tell.

[00:57:28]
Speaker A: But I can show you on here where it is.

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Speaker C: Yeah, but here's what I think we can align on is that that Arlo entered Excel
spreadsheet as accounting errors in it. Okay. Yes. And then the first question I had, which I
believe you've answered. But you're going to verify is, did the Secretary of State's office check
that county level enter data? And I think you said you don't think so. But you'll I don't think we
checked every county.

[00:57:58]
Speaker A: I don't think we would have done that.

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Speaker C: But you're going to check to see specifically, do they look at Fulton County? Yes. So
my question and then my next question was, if they did, if they didn't, then I guess that's a
process question that needs to be vetted out by the governor. Yeah.

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Speaker A: I don't think it's a violation of any election code. It's a process.

[00:58:17]
Speaker C: I don't know. I don't understand the code. Jack probably understands the code better
than I do. I think there's a part in the code that does speak to errors should be reported back to the
county. But anyways, I like Jackie and all that part back to the county.

[00:58:33]
Speaker A: Which means not us back then, right.

[00:58:36]
Speaker C: But it never was. In this case, there were errors and they weren't directed back to
Fulton County.

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Speaker A: Same thing.

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Speaker C: Yeah.

[00:58:44]
Speaker A: Scanner 237, scanner 237. The numbers are way off. This one is actually scanner
2237 3950. One and one, right?

[00:58:56]
Speaker C: Yeah, this one.

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Speaker A: I don't think it was one, two, three. I think I found it. It was a different one, but the
sheet that actually matched this number was a different scanner and different Fax number. Okay,
so you're looking at this saying that's egregious it's mislabeled. Yes, but they never put the other
one in there because they misted it. So that's the other issue. If we have any that are doubles like
this. But the one wasn't entered because it wasn't under a different name. Then that's going to
change the number, too. So you have to look at that one says 47 and they both got 97. I agree.

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Speaker C: Why did the Secretary of state's office not check that spread through spreadsheets or
at least scan them or look at it when that comes to us from the county, you're just trusting that
it's, right.

[00:59:48]
Speaker A: We cannot mess with that.

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Speaker C: I don't think mess with it, but check it. Why would he not even check it? 159
calendars, like have a mountain go in and just auto.

[01:00:00]
Speaker A: Okay, so let's go back to what you said earlier. You made a great point. You said that
accounting wise, you can do so many numbers and then projected. Right. So let's say I go in and
check faulting Hall, Decatur, Wilkes, Richmond, Foresight, Bib, Dade. I grab those counties and
I audit those eight counties. All of those eight counties are 100% according to most accounting
and math. As you said earlier, I can then project. Everybody did it right now. Hold on. I can
check this one county as I go by this one county and I'll take all 159 different. But you can take a
batch of portion, right? Like you said before. And you can do that batch.

[01:00:55]
Speaker C: Well, I was not referring to a batch of counties. I was referring to every county a
batch of rose.

[01:01:02]
Speaker A: Okay, so I can take a batch of rose in here, and it will be right. Bolton county didn't
have an error on everyone. Right.

[01:01:08]
Speaker C: Right.

[01:01:09]
Speaker A: Okay. So let's say out of they have 1001, 9000 hundred. And I got the number 1915
rows. I bet you I can find over 1000 rows to the right. So I can find probably more than half that
are correct.

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Speaker C: This is like a bank, though.

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Speaker A: You're missing $12,000. I get it.

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Speaker C: People's vote is like currency, too. Yes.

[01:01:42]
Speaker A: If I go in there and I grab like I said. So you said it took me 15 minutes to figure out
those account. I'm telling you, we were in my office. It took me like 4 seconds. I don't know if I
got somehow I managed to hit the right one, just scrolling through and found the right one. It was
that 111 number, and I found it. By the way, I'm like, I take him 15 minutes. It took me 4
seconds. Of course, when I went to go back in and find it again, I couldn't. But it was there. I just
got lucky.

[01:02:06]
Speaker C: So that's my point.

[01:02:07]
Speaker A: But you can fool the other way and see the ones that are correct and say, hey, so that's
kind of the issue. But when you look at these, sure, it looks like some of them are entered twice.
But I don't think 47 was ever entered because they thought it was a nine. So with 97 and 97
because I quote that it says that's a nine. No, that's nine.

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Speaker C: Then we realize if we stick to just factual statements at this point, I think what we can
say is that for Fulton County, at least that Excel spreadsheet that was entered into the Secretary
of State's website for Fulton County from Arlo, which is publicly displayed on the Secretary of
State's website. I think when factually say it has accounting errors in it.

[01:02:58]
Speaker A: Yeah.

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Speaker C: Okay. So then the next question is what I had was, did anybody ever check that? And
it sounds like that was no. And then the next question is, how can you say the hand on it verified
the machine count if we agree that it has accounting years because we don't know if you don't

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check it, you don't know the significance of the vote count that accounting years tally up to what
if every county was off by counting? What if every county was off by 1%?

[01:03:40]
Speaker E: I get it.

[01:03:41]
Speaker C: The hand audit was off from the machine count by 1%. They had airs like this. That
would change the election. Right.

[01:03:48]
Speaker A: So let's go back to that. Every county does this. We're not standing over every county
watching what they do. That's not us. I mean, if you want to give me a bigger budget and I'll put
159 people out of every county, that's not a problem.

[01:04:03]
Speaker C: Right?

[01:04:04]
Speaker A: So we have to entrust that these election directors are doing their job. And I'll tell you,
some do it better than others. Some are really good. Some are not so much that they're doing
their job. They're not doing malicious. As he said, they have the instructions. The World
Congress passed the tables.

[01:04:25]
Speaker C: How long did it take them to do that hand on it for county, like a week or a couple of
days.

[01:04:34]
Speaker B: I can't tell you the exact number of days.

[01:04:36]
Speaker C: But it took a significant amount.

[01:04:38]
Speaker B: It was very labor intensive, and it was a huge project. And like I said, I think that was
probably one of the only buildings that would have been able to accommodate that number of
people and tables.

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Speaker A: The one that has 100, 100, 102 hundred to zero. Those are all about whoever did that.
If he's sitting at table 67, he decides I've been doing this. It's day three. I'm tired.

[01:05:08]
Speaker C: 10. 00, 10.

[01:05:08]
Speaker A: 00, 10.

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Speaker C: 00, 20.

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Speaker UNK: 00.

[01:05:09]
Speaker A: And I can go back and look and find you that person, whatever. There's a way I can
see that. And he says, Screw this. I ain't counting this. I'm just doing it like this. And he submits
them to me. There would be something there. But Fulton County, he's standing over here and the
guy at table 63 says, here's your job done. They don't sit there and look at table 63 and go
through all his numbers. Specifically, they think they're doing their job correctly, the way the
little screen or whatever video shows them to do. And they're honest and they're doing their job
and they take those. And now they're going to upload. Now we can figure out if that guy actually
did that or who signed off on that. If it was the same person that signed off on all four because
the other numbers don't match. Like I said, it's like 373 to 28 instead of 400 or nothing. There's a
little bit of a difference here. But then I look at an error like that, 500 to zero. Right. So if I say,
wow, I take that and multiply it. Now all of a sudden, yes, there is a difference. But once I start
looking, it's not 500 to zero every time it's a difference of 20. It's a difference of ten. I understand
if you get to 1%, yes, there might be a difference. But when you look at the whole total thing,
there wasn't a 10,000 volts swinging for the county. So then you have to look at all the other
counties. The counties I looked at had a plus minus zero. Okay. Well, they had 700 votes. They
had 3000 votes. Nobody had 500,000 votes like Fulton County did. The cab had a number.
Bunett had a number. I think Cobb's number came out about the same. Yes.

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Speaker C: What I'm saying is that 340 number for Fulton County is based on air data.

[01:07:02]
Speaker A: And I'm not denying that because I can see the error data.

[01:07:08]
Speaker C: Take that the next step further. So we agree that that 345 number that is posted on the
Secretary of state's website as the verification between the handout and the machine count. So we
agree that that 345 number is based on aired data.

[01:07:24]
Speaker A: Correct some of it. There not all of it.

[01:07:27]
Speaker C: Well, it's either aired or not aired. It could be ten boats, 100 boats, 1000 something
else. But isn't that what the Secretary of state was using to say the machine count was accurate
because he says on there Fulton County only was off by 345 votes. But now we're all agreeing
that that 345 number is based on a spreadsheet that has air data.

[01:07:48]
Speaker A: Let's have to go back and look at it. And instead of Trump getting 345, he actually
only gets 200. I don't know. It's down. So we don't know if it's going to go this way, necessarily
or backward.

[01:07:56]
Speaker C: Right. But somebody should check it before you say it verifies the hand on it.

[01:08:01]
Speaker B: And I understand for my question that you believe that someone in the Secretary of
State's office should have looked at every county, all of the county line by line. Did that have
been submitted from Harlow? I understand that's that fair line for line.

[01:08:17]
Speaker C: I mean, ideally, they would have done that, but I don't know if that's practical, but I
think they should have had a method of catching egregious airs.

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Speaker B: Okay, so let me ask you this. You all put a lot of work into this. What does it mean to
you?

[01:08:36]
Speaker C: What does it mean to me?

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Speaker B: What do you feel?

[01:08:39]
Speaker A: The final results.

[01:08:41]
Speaker B: What do you think it means to you? What does it mean to you?

[01:08:45]
Speaker C: To me, it means we have to be honest with the data that we have to have accurate data
posted on our website. When we make claims that say that the handout verified the machine
count, that should be based on accurate Secretary of you, but not of somebody else. But you
allowed it to be posted there.

[01:09:06]
Speaker B: So what do you think? It just means as far as Fortnite County.

[01:09:09]
Speaker C: I have no idea what it means for Fulton County.

[01:09:13]
Speaker A: Okay.

[01:09:13]
Speaker C: I think somebody ought to figure out what process broke to generate those errors.

[01:09:20]
Speaker A: This one here has batches 91 through 97. So there's six of them that are there. So
according to this, the total is 128 to 558 to six. Okay, this 147 is within this group right now.
They said 91 was 298 to one, and then one under. So if you look at you did all these numbers, I
guess not. So when you look at the total tabulation.

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Speaker C: That'S the governor's report. Yeah. Okay.

[01:09:57]
Speaker A: But I thought you would send this to the governor. He just kind of verified your stuff.
I didn't realize they did it themselves. So 128 to 556 to six to one.

[01:10:06]
Speaker C: Okay.

[01:10:06]
Speaker A: That's what they said the batches meant, right. If you look down here, 128, 566, the
other four. So it's pretty close in one number, right?

[01:10:16]
Speaker UNK: Yeah.

[01:10:17]
Speaker A: However, when you look at the totals batches, right, 91 says two, which is what it
says here. But here it says 28, 70. But yet the total number got right. That's the other thing. How
did a number within this column be wrong? And the total be correct? That's the other issue. So I
don't know that all those mistakes like you're saying necessarily wins that way. And were
mistakes that would have changed anything.

[01:11:02]
Speaker C: But how do you know that if it never got checked?

[01:11:07]
Speaker A: The sheets are telling us that.

[01:11:09]
Speaker C: But you're doing it now. Nobody's done it up to this point. Right.

[01:11:13]
Speaker A: Well, what the governor's office, the government's office could have cost this stuff on
some of it. They could have been like, wait a minute. 47 at the 97 thing.

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Speaker C: I showed you way back in November last year, when all that was entered into Arlo.
Somebody from the Secretary of state's office should have checked for accounting years before
they set the hand on it. Verified.

[01:11:37]
Speaker B: That goes back to my question for you that we should check it line by line from
county.

[01:11:41]
Speaker A: That's going to be a procedural thing. Like you were saying, that's going to be
something now you got to realize, I don't know what number he is, but Brad Rappersburger is in
the first Secretary of state in Georgia, so we have to go back and look and find out. Is that
something that the Secretary of State's office has ever done?

[01:11:56]
Speaker C: Have we ever done hand audits like this before? I thought Rafinsburger said this the
first time in the States history that he ordered 100% hand on it.

[01:12:06]
Speaker A: He ordered it. He's only been in office.

[01:12:09]
Speaker C: No, but I could be mistaken. But I thought he said, this is the first time.

[01:12:15]
Speaker A: So that is the first time. Was there any procedure in place for the Secretary of state's
office to, I guess, double check, right. What was put on them? Is that in place? If it's never
happened before, we don't know. So we can find that out and maybe they'll come up and say,
okay, going forward. If there's a hand on it, we have to go through and check double stand
behind every county and make sure there's no accounting errors. But that'd be a procedural issue.
I don't think that's going to be necessarily a violation.

[01:12:49]
Speaker C: Would the Secretary of state's office be willing to put a footnote on that spreadsheet
and say, after further review, we recognize this as accounting errors, and we're going back to the
county to check them?

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Speaker A: That wouldn't be our decision. Okay.

[01:13:06]
Speaker C: Actually, I was going to suggest it as a potential option is to say, after further review
and Lou the governor's letter, we're going to put a footnote on Fulton County, our low Excel
spreadsheet that says it's been brought to our attention that this has accounting errors in it. It's
being reviewed. We're going to go back to this, but at least make the public aware that don't take
this to the bank right now. We know it's got accounting area.

[01:13:36]
Speaker A: So on that same part, one of the questions I asked is what your report said that we
deleted and then put something else because it wasn't all scanned.

[01:13:46]
Speaker C: Right.

[01:13:47]
Speaker A: So we can Monday morning quarterback all day on how that should have been
handled. So one of my questions was, could you have left it in there? Originally, Bolton County
incomplete scan, and then Bolton County complete scan.

[01:14:00]
Speaker C: I thought that would have been appropriate.

[01:14:02]
Speaker A: Sure. But like, we all talked about that could have confused people, too. Oh, my God.
They doubled it twice. They double doubled it or something. So the decision was made not by us
to delete the incomplete one and only have the complete one on there. Like I said, the person
who did it just missed the box or two or whatever it was. So it got fixed. But, yeah, they could
have done that either way with an Asterisk or could have had it in there twice. But to us, that
would have been kind of confusing you that click on each one, and I don't know, but that would
be something that elections would have to decide if they want to put a footnote on there saying,
hey, there's accounting errors. Like I said, I'm not sure all the accounting errors because you
would count it on whatever number you came up that you won't tell us you're keeping from us.
You would accounted that 47 and 97 as two being the same when they weren't because 47 was
never put in there. So those numbers aren't going to be right either, because of the accounting
errors. You see what I'm saying? Unless you and I go through every ballot, we're not going to

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know what the real one is at this point, because 97 and 47 are both entered in there as 97 and 47
never got put in.

[01:15:20]
Speaker C: I like to always try to offer solutions when you bring up a problem, because otherwise
it's just whining my potential solution to this. An option would be to footnote what's on the
Secretary of State's website. Somebody's going to have to go back and figure out what happened
in Fortnite County. I guess I'm not sure who will do that. How the airs were generated. What was
the origin of the errors? Make a new process next time. But that being public information. One of
my thoughts was, well, just take it down. And I thought, Well, that's not a good idea. Taking it
down. But why couldn't you just footnote it and say that?

[01:15:56]
Speaker B: And we can pass that on?

[01:15:57]
Speaker C: After further review, we've determined that there are counting years in this Excel
spreadsheet, and we're digging into them something like that would at least we can pass it on. Let
me ask you.

[01:16:06]
Speaker B: Did you look at every aspect of valid image?

[01:16:12]
Speaker C: I looked at the ballot images that I found errors for.

[01:16:20]
Speaker A: What did you find errors on since we don't have that. What did you find?

[01:16:24]
Speaker C: Everything I found is in this report.

[01:16:26]
Speaker A: Okay, but you didn't do these. You didn't make these sheets. You found these errors.

[01:16:38]
Speaker C: You see where it says. Detailed audit report. Ross count. Internal count.

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Speaker A: What's the internal account?

[01:16:44]
Speaker C: That's the governor's account.

[01:16:46]
Speaker A: Okay, that's the governor's account. That's your account.

[01:16:48]
Speaker C: And then that's the Excel spreadsheet.

[01:16:50]
Speaker A: Okay, so again, this one, particularly if we look at this 139 to 40. Do you have it on
there at the bottom of the page?

[01:17:14]
Speaker C: Okay. Go ahead.

[01:17:15]
Speaker A: Okay, so go two0, 303. It says scanner 197. Trump 43, Biden, 45, Torgenson one.
You came up with Trump, 41, Biden, 55. So according to that, Biden made up a difference of
twelve votes.

[01:17:35]
Speaker UNK: Right.

[01:17:36]
Speaker A: So Biden got twelve more according to your counts.

[01:17:40]
Speaker C: That's account of the ballot. That's correct. Yes. According to the governor's governor
count of the valid.

[01:17:45]
Speaker A: He agreed with you. Biden got twelve more.

[01:17:48]
Speaker C: Right.

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Speaker A: So this accounting error actually benefited Trump.

[01:17:53]
Speaker C: I agree. Okay, hold on.

[01:17:54]
Speaker A: So if we take all the ones that benefit him and him, it might be closer to that. 345 than
we think. If you look at all of them. You only looked at these 40 pages. There's obviously more
in there. Now, the one above it where it says 31 and 74. The 31 is wrong. I don't know who put
that 31 in there. It's actually 21, 21 to 74. That's the one that was 47. That looks like 97. Okay, so
if you take your counts at the bottom 41 and 55, but compare it to the one at the top, the 21 and
74. It looks like the error went against a bigger egregious error against Trump Biden's at 74. We
only have him at 55. Oh, my God, that's wrong. But that's not the right one. The right one is the
45 here. Does that make sense? So if you look at this, it looks like Biden got 19 more than what
you found. And he didn't because you're not comparing the same bat sheets. You're comparing a
different batch sheets.

[01:18:54]
Speaker C: But what you're highlighting is that there's accounting errors. And until you check,
you said it might be the only way to change might to Fax is that you have to go check it.

[01:19:03]
Speaker A: Yeah, but there's accounting errors on both sides.

[01:19:06]
Speaker C: I agree.

[01:19:07]
Speaker UNK: Right.

[01:19:08]
Speaker A: And then like I said, I think you guys are looking at this and looking at this number
and saying, oh, my God, that number is not the right number. That number is 47. That's 97. So
when you look at this number to this number, which is the right number, those are the scanned
ballots you look at are 97, not 47. When you look at that. Yeah. The error was in Trump's favor
here. And now when you counted it, you counted more for Biden in that particular one. But I

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egregious. That's not the right one.

[01:19:49]
Speaker C: There's some of them that are duplicated.

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Speaker A: Also, I showed you that one where it says scanner, and it's spelled out one and scan
one.

[01:19:57]
Speaker C: There's one that's entered as absentee ballot, and then it's also entered as election Day
ATRIS county.

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Speaker A: We have a question on that already.

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Speaker C: Do you see that one?

[01:20:08]
Speaker A: No. We saw that there were some that were listed as a particular pulling place and
didn't have a scanner number on it. So we're addressing that.

[01:20:17]
Speaker C: You guys are doing great work. All I'm saying is this should have been done back in
November by somebody from the Secretary of state.

[01:20:23]
Speaker A: And that's something we've got to find out. If that would have been. I'm going to say
that that's not the policy to do that, but because it's not our data, right.

[01:20:34]
Speaker C: But it's posted on I know we could argue with the round about I'm going to pass your
concerns on.

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Speaker B: We'Re law enforcement officers. We're going to pass on your concern. I can assure
you of that.

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Speaker A: But on some of these, I think when you really dig in and look at all of it. I don't think
it's necessary. Like I said, I can find some going the other way. Where that 345 number might go
up to 211. That might go up to 510, but it might cost because of stuff like this.

[01:21:13]
Speaker C: Based on my data, I would just respectfully disagree that it's 345. I know it's much
higher than that, but that is. Okay.

[01:21:21]
Speaker A: Well, let's play the game. Price is right here. Is it higher than $5,000?

[01:21:26]
Speaker C: It's significant.

[01:21:27]
Speaker A: But see, significant. Let me give you an example. I worked in Arm robbery once in
McDonalds. One guy told me this dude looked like she killed O'Neill the bad guy. The other guy
said it looked like Jerry Coleman. The reason is the guy that was sitting down thought the dude
was tall because he was sitting down. The other guy was tall and the guy was shorter than him.
So it was the same dude. It wasn't a different guy. One guy described someone six, two, one guy
described guy five, six. So you stay significant to us. Might not be significant, you might say,
and I might be like, Holy cow, that's not significant. That's outrageous. So give me something in
the ballpark, because that's kind of different for every person. Is it more than 5000, you think? Or
less than 5000? We want you to close them up more or less.

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Speaker C: I'm not going to tell you what I would say.

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Speaker A: It's less.

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Speaker C: I'm not going to tell you what it was. What I came up with. I came up with a net
difference.

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Speaker A: I realized so a complaint is filed.

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Speaker C: And we have to look into it.

[01:22:23]
Speaker A: And you're the complaint, right? But you don't want to give us all the information.

[01:22:34]
Speaker C: That's not a good accusation of me. Everything that I've looked at, you have available
to you on the Secretary of state's website and with the governor's report. So I'm not withholding
information that you do not have access to agree.

[01:22:52]
Speaker A: Okay.

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Speaker C: I don't have to give you stuff that's on your website. You just need to go look at it.

[01:23:00]
Speaker A: But if you give us something that's on there and we can look at it a lot quicker, then
this is done in a much quicker.

[01:23:07]
Speaker C: But I did that with a governor and he vetted it. So if you want that information, go to
the governor and ask him.

[01:23:13]
Speaker A: Got it? He doesn't have it in there either. So to me, it doesn't exist. But as an
investigator, if it's not in that report, it does not exist. Okay, let's look at it this way. Let's step
back. So the governor now wants to amend his sheet to say 4785, whatever the number. Right.
So to me, it looks like that wasn't accurate the first time.

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Speaker C: I don't know if the governor has a total number. I think they probably were
speculating as they were doing this because you could see 500 here 1000 here 900 here 18 minus

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Trump, 20 plus Biden. They probably got a ballpark number, but I don't know that they have
that.

[01:23:54]
Speaker A: Yeah, it's not in that report for me to go about what that number is. I can't go in front
of the state election board and say we found significant. The state election boards don't want
what the number is. Well, the governor didn't put it in his report.

[01:24:06]
Speaker C: I can't tell, but you guys could find it or Gabe could go find it. Right. Mr. Sterling,
you got to go through the rows on that spreadsheet and the batch tally sheets, right? Yes.

[01:24:16]
Speaker A: But all you're saying is if batch one is in there twice as to take out batch one, one of
them.

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Speaker C: Now you've got to make sure it's not in there. The opposite on a different one. Right?

[01:24:26]
Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that batch one.

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Speaker C: You got to go through all of them.

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Speaker A: Scanner one, batch one. You're saying scanner one, batch one is in there twice. You're
saying one of those should be out?

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Speaker C: No, I'm saying you'd have to go through all of them to make sure you're not doing
what you said, right somewhere else, right. You got to go through all of it to do.

[01:24:46]
Speaker A: But did you guys do that because you didn't know 47 wasn't in there until just now.
When I showed you 47 and 97, you thought they were both 97. You said that's 97. It wasn't 97. It
was 47.

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Speaker C: That was a misidentified one, right? Yes.

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Speaker A: Now, did you guys find all the misidentified?

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Speaker C: I can't say that we did. I can't say that we found all the duplicates. I can't say that we
found everything. I did it by hand. All I can tell you is that there's accounting errors in there, and
they should have been checked by the Secretary of state before the Secretary of state reported
that the hand on it verified the machine.

[01:25:18]
Speaker A: We don't know, even with the number you found. If your number is accurate because
of stuff like 47, 97, we don't know your number could be off as well.

[01:25:28]
Speaker C: Right. What I could say is that there's accounting errors in that spreadsheet.

[01:25:34]
Speaker A: I'm not denying, actually, I can see it.

[01:25:35]
Speaker C: And in my opinion, they should have been checked. And if they weren't checked, the
Secretary of state should not have made the statement that the hand audit verified the machine
count because that statement is based on a. 345 number, which is based on an aired accounting
sheet spreadsheet. So that's what I can factually say that there's accounting errors in that
spreadsheet.

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Speaker A: So let me ask you this. If I go through all 1900, I'll probably have to strangle
someone. I don't do all of those. And I came up with the number, the ones that were either
duplicated or the ones that were mislabeled. We find the right one, and this number is 345. So
the number came out the same. However it did. But the number came out the same. You're good.

[01:26:36]
Speaker C: I'd have to see the process by what you guys use that. But if you check every one.

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Speaker A: Which one is what I'm saying?

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Speaker C: I'm saying if you check every one and it comes out accurate, then it is what I do.

[01:26:46]
Speaker A: Now let's go back to one other thing. I think we're missing the big thing here. You're
saying check these bat sheets, right? What's on the website or was the bat sheet said, right.

[01:26:58]
Speaker C: And the valid images also right.

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Speaker A: So now I got to check those two.

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Speaker C: That's how you verify the account. Is the valid images. Right.

[01:27:06]
Speaker A: So just looking at those bat sheets on there isn't going to do it.

[01:27:09]
Speaker C: Right? You got to check. No, I looked at the valid images.

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Speaker A: Not 500,000 valid images.

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Speaker C: No, I looked for the ones that I found errors for.

[01:27:18]
Speaker A: Yes, but like we said before, if I were just to take word.

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Speaker C: Call a sample sample.

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Speaker A: Thank you. We did it in Coffee County. If I just did a sample randomly grabbed a
sample and my sample was good, that might not have found all these because I can literally have
done a sample. And it might have been okay, because who knows? Table one through ten might
have done everything perfect where they were supposed to. Table 19 and 20 were lazy and didn't
really do it right. Table 63 just said, screw it. Did whatever we don't know. But if I were to grab
a sample, I could have grabbed the sample and been fairly confident that the numbers were
correct. So now it's not just looking at the bad sheets and seeing the mistakes because you want
to look at all 500,000 values and just to be accurate.

[01:28:10]
Speaker B: Your data is from a sample from full because you didn't look at every single absentee
valid.

[01:28:16]
Speaker C: Right?

[01:28:17]
Speaker B: You looked at a sample, right?

[01:28:19]
Speaker C: I looked at the Excel spreadsheet. I said, Boy, this looks strange. This looks like an
error.

[01:28:23]
Speaker B: So that error tells you to go back and look at the ballot in the tabulator and look at the
ballot and look at those ballots.

[01:28:30]
Speaker A: But how many of those? I just said that. So on a lot of these Vos internal account
match with Fulton County had. So if you look at your sample, I bet you I can find 50% of them
or so that are correct. This 142, 55, 2144, 50.

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Speaker C: Okay.

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Speaker A: It's within two within two because somebody saw one that they didn't think was right.
So this one, for instance.

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Speaker C: That was a duplicate.

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Speaker A: And you were 44 55. So your difference is two, right.

[01:29:05]
Speaker C: The issue with this is highlighted by the governor is this was not a difference between
the Excel spreadsheet and the valid images. This there was because in the Excel spreadsheet, the
cash out, there's two different issues.

[01:29:21]
Speaker A: Which ones are duplicated, right. And then which ones were mismatched, right.

[01:29:26]
Speaker C: You said the term. I said mismatched. I call them mismatch. That's what I was calling.

[01:29:33]
Speaker A: But when you look at that kind of stuff, your numbers, right match Gordon County's
number. So they're not going to be off as far as I'm saying.

[01:29:42]
Speaker C: You think they are.

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Speaker A: But what you're doing is you're then taking the other one and adding it in there, right.

[01:29:50]
Speaker C: I'm just saying something doesn't like this one here.

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Speaker A: I guarantee this one here is not scanner three, batch three.

[01:29:58]
Speaker C: You might find another batch. That's why I called 285.

[01:30:08]
Speaker A: That was because those things aren't in order.

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Speaker C: I know.

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Speaker A: And then down here, you guys are off by one or two as well. So I think if you went
through it like that, I don't think your numbers are quite where they appear to be, because now
we know that there's mismatched.

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Speaker C: There's two problems, right? Mismatch is one and duplicate.

[01:30:31]
Speaker A: Issues.

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Speaker C: Those are easier to find. Yes, but the mismatch are not as easy to find because you got
to have the back.

[01:30:38]
Speaker A: Well, it looks like a duplicate as well, like 97. It looked like a duplicate, but it wasn't.
It was a mismatch. But on the mismatch, we can understand how that happened. Somebody
entered it wrong. Somebody entered scanner and they spelled out scanner one. The other person
entered scan one, so it's duplicated. We know that because how it was in. So we know that's just
an error. There human error. Things happen. You understand that part? The mismatch.

[01:31:05]
Speaker C: So why didn't the Secretary of state just say that? The hand audit, we noticed theirs in
the hand audit, but the machine count one not gone all about this hand audit. Hand audit verified
everything and everybody took that and ran with it because we're not checking out all 159
county. But then he shouldn't have said that.

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Speaker A: Then he always said.

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Speaker C: Based on the information I have now I can read you what's posted on the website. He
said based on the hand audit that I ordered, and he meant it was historic. He said, the historic
hand audit. This hand audit has verified that the machine count was accurate.

[01:31:54]
Speaker A: Because when the county sent it to us and they uploaded it, they saw a difference of
345.

[01:32:01]
Speaker C: But he didn't say the county's hand on it. He said, My hand on it. The hand audit that I
ordered.

[01:32:07]
Speaker A: Not that he did.

[01:32:09]
Speaker C: I know. But if you're the boss and you order, you own the results. That's like me
saying free to lay employees. You guys do this. But I don't have any responsibility for how you
do it. That's irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

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Speaker A: I'm being told because.

[01:32:35]
Speaker C: What Trump said has nothing to do with this. I might be sure I ordered it. Yes.

[01:32:56]
Speaker B: So real quick, I just want to ask it a little different way when I said, what does this
mean to you? Because I will break that down a little bit. What does it mean to you? As far as
Fulton County's portion of this. Do you think that it is human error? Do you think that it's
whatever or do you feel like there's something bigger, something kind of nefarious to that aspect
of it because we've done a lot of work.

[01:33:21]
Speaker C: I really couldn't say, sir. Okay, I just know there's accounting here.

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Speaker B: And we have different entities, though. Let's move to the Secretary of state's website.
According to all the work you've done in your mind, is it policy? Is it human error? Is it
whatever, or do you feel like there's something more nefarious?

[01:33:38]
Speaker C: All I can say about this.

[01:33:39]
Speaker D: Hold on.

[01:33:39]
Speaker A: We're going to pause this for a minute. They want to talk to you real quick. Okay, if
they want to take off, that's fine. We've got a gist of what's going on, so.

[01:34:08]
Speaker C: I think I'm pretty confident.

[01:36:21]
Speaker C: I think they're just going to get this up and take off. Yeah.

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