(3) Water Memory (2014 Documentary about Nobel Prize laureate Luc Montagnier) -

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(00:01) the notion of water memory was first raised in the 1980s by a renowned
scientist called jack ben veniste it immediately sparked a huge scientific
controversy yet it is professor montagne the joint recipient of the 2008 nobel
prize in physiology for the discovery of hiv who took up the torch after ben
venised although he had nothing else to prove why did he choose to risk his career
by venturing through the troubled waters of water memory i've always been searching
for the extraordinary i find it hard to work on an established
(00:36) theory i'd rather innovate driven by curiosity he applied the technologies
of benveniste on his own research following the first experiment on the blood
plasma from patients infected with hiv he detects electromagnetic signals it came
to me as a real surprise i didn't expect that and we were all fascinated by this
phenomenon that nobody had ever witnessed until then this kind of phenomenon wasn't
even considered by classical biology encouraged by these first results the
professor plunged into water memory
(01:16) we really felt like pioneers exploring a new scientific area a wild jungle
so to speak it gave me a little vertigo to think about the huge possibilities for
medical applications i'm a trained physician so i felt an intellectual excitement i
thought it was a fantastic discovery i began to think that ben venice was just
right jacques benveniste was a renowned biologist in the 1980s considered as a
candidate for the nobel prize but he died in 2004 from a stiff fight to defend his
controversial theory against some radical opponents
(01:52) thirty years later the theory is still a red-hot issue despite all that
professor montagne has resumed benveniste's research but he's learned the lessons
from the water memory case he knows that the road is full of obstacles and that he
can only rely on himself with no backup and no subsidy i'm a non-conformist i'm
outdated just like a good old whiskey because i'm working on a red hot issue is
first of all a medical doctor a pragmatist he's convinced that water memory opens a
new area of research for
(02:34) medicine but he must also learn the lessons from the controversial case
that which caused the downfall of his illustrious predecessor here in 1992 jacques
benveniste gives a tour of his lab on a parking lot this is where we work a small
lab and a trailer which looks odd but it actually serves as our storage space as
you can see we make do with what we've got when you're into research especially
when your research is temporarily considered extraneous and you get no funds here's
the lab entrance i'll give
(03:14) you a tour if you wish hello this is the prefab where jacques benveniste
finished his last years of lab research and i started working here with his
collaborators in 2005 for a year and a half and obviously that was a source of
disappointment and frustration to leave that modern building to end up in that
little room it's quite a problem because we need to fit 450 square meters into a
100 square meter space it's quite packed but it creates a friendly atmosphere with
strong interactions within the team because the researchers are packed like
(04:07) sardines they mingle rapidly so it's a tight-knit team and we're happy with
it as soon as you mention benvenest it's like talking about the devil there was a
sense of fear and intellectual terror because the minute you followed benveniste's
track you were banned if the results fit with the norm i'm considered as a good
scientist under the same conditions with the same technique in the same lab if the
results are deviant from the actual norm then i'm considered as a misfit the system
is
(04:37) sick but i'm not my advantage over benvenest is that i got the nobel prize
for the discovery of the hiv therefore i gained recognition in the scientific
community yet today my notoriety is challenged by some who say he might have
discovered the hiv but he's outdated now that's completely wrong these are my best
years of research i'm finding the most important phenomena today it's a good thing
to discover a virus but finding about the mechanisms of life that's even more
important professor montagne might have
(05:12) nothing more to lose he will certainly go down in history for the discovery
of hiv but he probably wants to go down in history for another discovery related to
this iconoclastic but promising theory discreetly he makes progress and he fights
his own corner equipped with a new tool called water memory today he's decided to
lift the veil on his current research to convince us what a memory is a theory hard
to swallow so the professor invites us to follow him for her groundbreaking
experiment which will cast new light on
(05:45) the surprising properties of water [Music] hello joe maraby how are you
very well and you very well thanks hello today we're going to perform for
television an experiment that we carried for the first time in july 2005. at the
time it was a great surprise to all of us then it became a routine but for you
viewers this is the first time it's being shown on television the professor has put
on his favorite suit the doctor's white coat while our crew is turning his lab into
a tv studio hello we're going to take on a delicate
(06:44) experiment of detecting electromagnetic signals from the dna first i'll ask
you to please turn off your mobile phones by removing the batteries because we're
going to detect extra sensitive electromagnetic waves and the detection might be
disturbed by certain mobile phones now we're ready to start our experiment of dna
transduction the transjection experiment carried out by professor montagne before
our disturbing cameras seems like science fiction starting with the dna of an hiv-
infected patient he will create a digital file
(07:23) send it through the internet to another lab where the dna will be
reconstituted from that digital file the professor calls it transduction we could
almost call it teleportation we're going to detect the electromagnetic background
noise which is actually being disturbed by the cameras we've never had so many
cameras around us before so it's a new thing for us there's a big noise which is
uncommon here so it's probably coming from the waves produced by your devices on
the left you can see a relatively
(07:55) weak background noise that's normal but on the right you can see high
frequency peaks on the spectrum and they prevent us from detecting lower
frequencies which are covered by that background noise we can turn off all the
spotlights and do a background noise check let's try you can turn these off shall
we try again [Music] it's a little better now the shooting methods will have to
adapt to the demands of this one-of-a-kind experiment the crew decides to use the
equipment emitting the least electromagnetic
(08:42) signals like these small fixed cameras although our equipment considerably
increases the background noise the professor decides despite the odds to carry on
the experiment to convince us that water has a memory so here's a small tube
containing diluted dna from an hiv infected patient there's very little dna in here
but enough to measure the electromagnetic signals a dna carries all the genetic
information necessary for any organism's development and functioning it's true for
men for a mushroom or bacterium each
(09:21) dna is unique and it allows to identify each organism just like an id card
therefore we'll be able to compare the dna reconstituted several hundreds of
kilometers away with the dna stored in the professor's fridge experiment will be
carried out by jamal aisa he knows the protocol very well since he worked with
benveniste at the beginning of his research he also helps other teams of scientists
to reproduce the experiment in germany or italy this is sterile water used in our
lab to make serial dilutions
(09:57) making high dilutions consists in adding molecules to water sample then
performing dilutions until all the molecules have disappeared here we're adding
just a few dna molecules from an hiv infected patient we take one volume of this
solution and we add nine volumes of water at each stage we divide by 10 the number
of molecules present in the solution high dilution is at the core of every
experiment serving the water memory theory we put one molecule in contact with
water then we remove that molecule by high dilution
(10:35) here we're getting the dilution called d2 we vigorously shake it in a
vortex for 15 seconds and then we repeat the operation until the desired dilution
is reached in our case we're going to make 10 dilutions for this experiment a hint
of matter only two nanograms are used in the beginning thanks to this simple series
of manipulations we quickly obtain solutions where not even a single dna molecule
remains in water if we carried out the experiment until the 24th dilution it would
be the equivalent of diluting one drop of the
(11:16) original dna into the atlantic ocean now the dilutions are finished it's
time for encoding much is at stake in this experiment as we're trying to verify the
assertions of professor montagne this is why we'll use a famous protocol called
double blinding coding i'm going to encode the tubes a member of the tv crew is
going to label all tubes in order to avoid the risk of fraud or influence on the
experiment results i'm distributing random figures [Music] the label is now hidden
it's now impossible to know which tubes
(12:02) correspond to the different dilutions there are 10 placebo tubes which
contain only pure water and 10 tubes which underwent high dilutions [Music] now
we're going to register each encoded solution the process involves placing the
solution on a sensor a sort of microphone we're going to record the electromagnetic
fields produced by each solution jamal is trying to collect the electromagnetic
signal generated by the tubes placed on the sensor then he digitalizes that signal
and creates a computer file like you would do it for a
(12:47) sound however these tubes only contain water so what could jamal possibly
collect i'm going to record the first two for six seconds and i'm going to save
that digital file on the hard drive here you've got a signal emitted from tube
number two the next tube is number nine the first tested tubes don't reveal any
particular information then the experiment starts to give some very surprising
results against all expectations it seems like something happened some waves have
been detected coming out of certain tubes
(13:34) what are these trails that appear on the screen tell us jamal here i can
observe the 20 recorded tubes indeed here's the tube number 10 and here i observe
an increase in the amplitude of the signal a number 10 yes on number 10 and number
three tube number three there's also an increase in the level of the signal okay
i'm going to tell you to what it does correspond to number three corresponds to the
seventh dilution d7 this is tube number ten this is the sixth dilution okay so d6
and d7 as far as the virus is concerned this is the
(14:23) range of dilutions where we detect the signals the first part of the
experiment seems to be a success jamal has identified two tubes which have been in
contact with the dna strangely they generate signals whereas classical physics has
it that water does not carry any signal the professor welcomes the results with
peace and serenity these colors are not actual colors but they represent the
different electromagnetic frequencies and you can see that the positive solutions
have important blue peaks these are the signals emitted by water
(14:56) which has been charged with the dna molecules obviously the solutions have
been diluted to such a high degree that not even a single dna molecule should
remain it's only the structures of the water themselves that emit these signals
according to professor montagne the highly diluted dna water has retained a memory
of the original dna traces and it returns them under the form of electromagnetic
signals classical biology and classical physics had never considered such a
phenomenon it's very hard to admit for a certain
(15:31) number of our colleagues including noble laureates who strongly refute
these ideas but these are facts this is an established scientific fact having a
renowned researcher in nabel laurier telling you face to face that water can
receive and transmit signals is already very disconcerting now he wants to transfer
the digital file through the internet and use it to reconstitute the dna a thousand
five hundred kilometers away [Music] so i'm ready to send you the file from
healthier dna [Music] okay it's okay
(16:14) it's done done very good so jamal i just received your email with two files
perfect so we are ready for the final experiments thank you thank you for you bye-
bye the experiment is carried on in italy at the university of benevanto famous for
the quality of its lab specialized in molecular biology i must say that in the
beginning our italian colleagues were quite skeptical and i was skeptical as well
when we started to to talk with professor vitiello about the possibility of
reproduce what professor montagne was
(16:52) convinced to to do it but they accepted very kindly and very generously to
carry out this experiment with us i'm glad to change my mind because probably i'm
still open to news it's a challenge also for my reputation for my story of
scientists so i mean i take the challenge the italian team is going to carry out
professor montagne's experiment the other way around the signals recorded in france
will be processed by the computer and sent into a tube of purified water according
to the professor this water
(17:31) tube will listen to these signals and memorize them a tube of purified
water is handed to professor vitiello who will lead the italian part of the
experiment he's a professor of physics at the university and he regularly co-
publishes with professor montagne on the water memory theory so we put water inside
the solenoid and all of it inside this new metal cylinder in order to avoid
interference with other radiations which might be in this room and then we play the
signal of ltr hiv virus and let the water listen
(18:18) to music let me call it the music this will remain like it is now listening
to music for about one hour that's it one aspect of the beautifulness of this
experiment is it is that it is quite simple there's a striking contrast between the
simplicity of the operation the few means required and the far-reaching stakes of
the experiment the experiment blends futuristic modernity in a simple traditional
and empirical scientific approach not many times i have one hour to spend except in
this case you put something
(19:02) there and then you wait for what happens and in this case is almost a
miracle because what we are doing is often taught to be so much exotic so strange
from a scientific point of view it is very good also because people dislike it it
means that there is something new if there is nothing to be discussed is like
putting a new light in a room already lighted so waiting for water listening to
that music gives me the opportunity together with this environment to have such
thought which makes me they make me quite young i
(19:55) should say i feel like when i started doing research [Music] now it's time
to take out this water from here maybe antonio if you could bring that to lina
elina the biologist is preparing the different tubes containing the elements
required for the last phase of the experiment she adds the water which has listened
to the dna music lina uses pcr a technology which has revolutionized molecular
biology lab work in the last 20 years but also the field of forensic science for
the identification of criminals pcr consists in putting in water some
(20:54) chemical elements building blocks called nucleotides they are the organic
molecules of dna an enzyme called polymerase will play the role of catalyzer at
first the components remain still nothing happens but if we introduce fragments of
a dna thanks to polymerase we can reconstitute the complete sequence of the dna
we'll have enough elements to identify which one belongs to this dna this
phenomenon the polymerase chain reaction earned carrie mullis a nobel prize in
chemistry in 1993.
(21:32) but here for this experiment there's no dna matter physically speaking but
only water which has listened to a dna signal sent from paris we shouldn't expect
anything to happen because it's impossible that the dna sequence of the virus could
rebuild itself alone without any model it would be like wanting to make a copy
without the original [Music] professor vitiello and the head of the university of
benevento interpret the results of the pcr on the screen what do these bands reveal
has the water of benevento listen to the song of that
(22:06) parisian dna these bands they represent dna and this is success otherwise
you have no bands or you have just scrambled you are lucky because not always came
so nice if it's normal to see those characteristics bands appear on screen after a
pcr a sign that dna has actually been reconstituted in our case it's quite
staggering the tube actually contains only some basic elements but no trace of dna
how can one dna molecule be reconstituted without any model it's breathtaking
[Music] every time for us is exciting because
(22:54) we feel that this is really a turning point not only for biology and but
also for physics i would say for knowledge in general and this is very i'm glad to
share with you the joys of science are sometimes impenetrable for us non-
specialists yet giuseppe manages to communicate his enthusiasm for these little
black bands which appeared on screen and which marked the beginning of a great
scientific adventure this is unbelievable but it's i understand the people who are
skeptical we started to go alcoholic because at every success we
(23:32) opened with the french champion of your nation yet there's one more step to
go before we can validate the experiment one independent laboratory is going to
analyze one of the dna sampled after the pcr operation they will obtain a sequence
that we can compare with the sequence of the parisian dna and this simple sheet of
paper will allow us to know if the long distance dna duplication worked well
[Music] i've just received the first results of the experiment carried out in italy
at benevento and they obviously proved that
(24:15) a dna transduction was possible 98 of common elements that's enough to say
that the experiment is a success it makes a lot of people grind their teeth because
it's not so easy to explain is it and of course there are many things to be
explained it's not understood completely very often science does not give answers
but open questions so we now have more questions than before just because it works
[Music] one of the most interesting aspects of the water memory theory is that it
raises lots of questions and it urges
(25:04) scientists to challenge the established doc in science as in any other
field it's hard to build certainties and decide what's right or wrong now we must
try to understand what happened in these water tubes mach ahi a professor of
chemistry and quentin physics at the university of strasbourg will shed some light
for us his publications include an article written with italian scientists okay so
we're going to talk about liquid water precisely water from the river is the seed
tap water let's try to define that water
(25:40) obviously the starting point is and that's what chemistry teaches us a
water molecule containing one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms to simplify things
let's represent the molecule in the shape of a circle water molecules have the
capacity to hold hands with each other think of it as a group of children doing a
circle dance if the chain of molecules is long enough it can form a circle creating
an enclosed space between the molecules where matter cannot however anything
electromagnetic can get in all these signals can be trapped inside
(26:21) that space and that's what we call coherent domain our scientists assume
that the parisian dna in contact with water emitted electromagnetic signals which
went to lodge themselves into the coherent domains these signals carrying the
informations of the original molecule allegedly got trapped in these aggregates of
millions of water molecules although the dna disappeared through the high dilutions
these entrapped signals simulate the dna and its properties then what happened to
these water tubes in italy during the pcr operation
(27:02) scientists only hold hypotheses but if the polymer race did its job by
reconstituting a complete sequence of dna it's because it found the necessary
information thanks to the signals entrapped in water much work remains to be done
but for professor montagne the experiment proved that water could have a sort of
memory it would be a real intellectual and scientific revolution opening huge
possibilities we cannot simply say no no it's impossible bury our head and do
nothing on the contrary we must carry out more
(27:36) experiments independently and if we're actually right we will find the same
results only then will we move medicine into a new era a medicine which will allow
us to treat patients with signals and water this new vision of water properties has
major implications for medicine the capacity of water to store and transmit
information would make it play a greater role in our bodies in this recipient there
are 56 liters of water it's approximately the quantity of water contained in a
human body of 80 kilos so water is definitely the most
(28:13) important element in our body water is the main component of the human body
our body is made up of 70 water it circulates in our body mixed with our vital
fluids but it's also very present in our cells here the conditions are favorable to
the creation of many coherent domains which can trap many signals water is the
first thing we should be taught in a biology class today if you open a biology book
what do you find one or two pages on water and 5 000 pages on anything but water so
we would like biology to take that
(28:50) dimension into consideration instead of water volume if we start thinking
in terms of the number of molecules in our body the numbers would speak even more
volumes if you reason in terms of numbers our body is made up of 99 from that
substance we call water imagine yourself inside a cell count until 100 and you'll
be saying water 99 times and one time out of 100 you'll say protein dna magnesium
calcium and whatnot these one percent which don't represent water but rather
represent molecules of calcium and proteins are sufficiently
(29:26) small to be governed by the strange laws of the physics of the infinitely
small quantum physics with a cell you're dealing with the micro scale in that case
classical physics legitimately come into play however when i'm dealing with the
component meaning protein or dna molecule i'm on a nano scale dealing with
nanometers and that's where quantum physics come into play it's a matter of scale
if you're looking for the closest gas station you're not going to use a world map
in physics it's the same you need
(30:02) the right tool if you want to understand how a cell works you must do
quantum physics in the strange world of quantum physics there's no distinction
between signal and matter an atom is both considered as a particle and has a signal
precisely the water memory theory talks about signals which would have the same
properties as the matter itself there's certainly a key to understanding what's
going on in the tubes of professor montagne the problem at the moment is that
biologists are required to be experts in
(30:37) physics and chemistry at the same time and that's not so easy for them
[Music] quantum physics dates back one century but it has never been truly
integrated by biologists however trying to understand how our cells work using
quantum physics is a revolutionary idea professor montagne's experiment allows us
to discover that certain biological elements emit signals these are signals his
team follows in their promising medical research for your information the
importance of this research is the theoretical basis
(31:17) but also the practical basis the medical applications are of course very
important the professor suspects that serious chronic diseases also have microbial
causes normally the signals emitted by the dna of the microbes and caught in the
water of patients blood disappear after a while if he detects them in a repeated
manner in high deletions it means that a pathogenic agent associated with the
disease has settled in the organism we were able to link the presence of the
signals in the blood of very serious and widespread diseases as for chronic
(31:47) diseases like alzheimer parkinson certain sclerosis and many others i'll
not name also autism in children in certain cancers [Music] here it's the
sequential dilutions that emit positive frequencies therefore dna both people
without silence yes and this has very important medical applications since
antibiotic treatments over a long period together with other treatments allow
significant healing of these patients at the same time they make the signals
diminish or disappear but this approach is extremely disputed
(32:28) by the scientific community the professor gave a speech at the academy of
medicine on his discoveries concerning certain forms of autism provoking a genuine
outcry within the venerable institution however it has already given way to
concrete results today's health with these promising findings will we be able to
cure artists thanks to antibiotics this is today's exclusive story although you no
longer can see it this talkative little boy is totally at ease in front of the
camera he is an autist and he owes his menopauses to his doctor
(33:02) alexander took antibiotics very regularly and then more and more spaced out
for a first period of six months and then a little less during the next six months
and for the second year he had no treatment unless he had a setback because often
there are little setbacks about a dozen doctors in france prescribed anti-
infectious drugs for autistic children among the 204 treated in six years four
children out of five saw their symptoms strongly regress or disappear in the paris
suburbs professor montagne is exploring the infectious track
(33:35) he has put into place a new technology to track the latent infections in
the young artist's blood and autism is in the hands or to begin with was in the
hands of psychoanalysts brain specialists neurosciences and we of course have
thought of an infectious tract because we found signals in the blood of most
autistic patients in plain language what professor montagne says is that we can
cure certain serious diseases with antibiotics targeted and used on the long term
but the eventual applications of water memory are not limited to the detection
(34:14) of a disease in fact the signals emitted and stored by water in contact
with the molecule would then propagate the properties of this molecule enhance its
action the day when we admit that the signals can have tangible effects we'll use
them from that moment we'll be able to treat patients with waves therefore it's a
new domain of medicine that people fear of course especially the pharmaceutical
industry but that is not excluded for the moment it's extremely empirical but one
day all that will be defined and
(34:43) we'll be able to treat cancers using frequency waves these applications
come directly from the experiment that the professor did before us in his
laboratory imagine that in place of a dna molecule we introduce into the water a
molecule of a medicine we could after high delusions register on paper the waves of
this medicine then re-emit them so as to simulate its presence and thus its
beneficial effects this approach is totally revolutionary because up to now
classical chemistry established that chemical molecules have
(35:20) an impact when they come in contact with each other but not from a distance
there again the scientific community is firmly opposed to this approach if we treat
with frequencies not with medicines it becomes extremely cost effective regarding
the amount of money spent since we spend a lot of money to find the frequencies but
once they have been found it costs nothing to treat because in this case medicines
cost a few cents and there you have it that would mean there would be no more
social security deficits and you can think that you i can have an
(35:55) app sending you the proper information to your body to obtain an effect so
steve jobs last year's think about that or smartphone that could be ordered for in
order for the next future and this is not so far away whether it be about the
detection of serious diseases or therapies by wave medicine a new approach in
biology is emerging based on the information that wave frequencies can carry inside
ourselves these are probably the premises of digital biology that jack van veniste
four saw in his prefabricated lab in the
(36:31) 80s so what you see here is an isolated heart that comes from a guinea pig
this guinea pig was made to be allergic to all vabumin the egg white if we pass the
egg white over the heart it goes into an allergic shock [Music] if we pass what we
call digital oval albumin the heart makes no distinction between digital or real
volume in the same way that our ear cannot make the difference between a digital
sound on a cd and the real person who speaks or sings it's the same sound for the
ear thirty years later we're still at the
(37:17) same point even if professor montagne has escaped from the prefabricated
building the applications of the theory of water memory seem promising for a very
low cost in experimentation why are there not more teams working on the subject
professor montagne gathers around him a small group of scientists in europe the usa
or in asia but the scientists and their majority seem a little inclined to take a
stand on this theory we have tried to interview those who contradict the theory but
no one seems willing to openly take a stand on
(37:46) this strange theory whose greatest defender is a nobel prize recipient one
of the rare scientists to take an interest in this subject jacques testa is a
biologist and the honorary research director at insurm institute he is responsible
for the first test tube baby in france i believe that today someone who would like
to work on the memory of water will have to be able to interest the businessman but
the institutions don't put a penny on something that is so marginal and that will
immediately be fought by all
(38:18) scientific groups and we have chosen to work with the private sector
because no funds could come from public institutions case has made it so that
anyone who takes an interest in the memory of water is considered as i mean it
smells of sulfur it's healthy if professor montagne indeed inherited the scientific
research done by benveniste he has to assume that smell of sulfur that floats
around anyone who meddles with the memory of water to understand what is going on
today we have to go back 30 years in time to the
(38:57) beginnings of the benveniste case in 1985 jack benveniste follows the
classical pathway to validating any discovery that is to say to publish in an
international scientific journal then i sent the results of my research work to
nature the most respected research journal in which i had already published four
articles so people knew who i was and then at that moment everything exploded
benvenist article published by nature was exceptionally coupled with a warning
announcement saying that the journal was going to send a committee to clemar a
(39:28) committee made up of john maddox the journal's director walter stewart
expert in scientific hoax and even a conjurer james randy frank nushi who had a
medical background was a journalist in the medical section of lumund in the 80s
when he was a regular visitor at the benvenis laboratory at that time it just so
happens that benveniste who wanted me to be a witness of all that asked me to be in
the laboratory and to disguise myself as a lab researcher so i was dressed in a
white coat and therefore i was a truly privileged
(40:03) witness of all the proceedings of what we can call an investigative
commission of nature at first all went very well the experiments worked out which
drove them a little wild especially stuart and randy then quite quickly the
scientific expert for nature demanded ben venice to use a more and more complex
protocol and to pass the time next to ben venice struggling with his tubes of water
the magician kept up his magic tricks the expertise proved to be a trap what was
going to happen happened once again i do not claim i have never
(40:38) claimed that ben venice was right what i mean to say is that they put in
place these procedures totally out of the ordinary in order to show that he was
wrong i'm convinced of that benveni's experiments began to no longer work so
everything was thrown off balance the team of nature went back to london and a
little later the journal published an article discrediting benveniste in his
research benveni's destiny was sealed and with him that of the memory of water and
very quickly a certain number of
(41:07) well-known scientists and doctors adopted a definite position against
benvenist they practically made him out to be a mystic while there is no one more
rational than jack but most of his colleagues didn't want to hear about it for them
it was impossible because if there are no molecules nothing can come out of it i'd
say that this is an example of obstruentism on the part of scientists it's a
paradox because the purpose of science by definition is to bring light in
comparison with religious is that people were so mean with such a
(41:41) high level researcher all the same he died from it i'm not saying that
anyone killed him but i mean there came a time when he could no longer bear the
situation he was in it's one thing to criticize and another to assassinate someone
almost physically he was a galileo of the 20th century i think he would have been
burned at the stake for his theories in the 17th century by definition it's the
role of a researcher's research but benveniste seemed to have been condemned
beforehand for his positions that went against the
(42:20) scientific dogma at the time should you be sentenced for having an opinion
in science benvenis said but good god instead of criticizing me a priori help me
try out in your respective laboratories each one of you try to reproduce what i did
that's all i'm asking but it's true that at the time i was skeptic but unlike
others i never lost trust in his research nor in him as a person there's one
scientist who followed his research from afar and who sometimes had openly said but
let him work let him
(42:56) work you never know this scientist was luke montagne who was already at the
time engaged in an enormous research which was the discovery of the hiv virus i
also went through some hard times where nobody believed in what i could find for
one year we knew that we had detected the actual virus when i say we it's a little
research group about 10 people and no one believed us our articles were rejected
it's not so important when you're dealing with scientific theories but it's serious
for people for the medical world
(43:32) we make monumental mistakes in medicine and we continue to make mistakes
today you have to fight you don't have any other choice and benvenis demonstrated
that but we have to fight today not to make our ideas triumph but rather to try
improving the human condition it's typical of montani's personality to venture on
risky roads full of obstacles and controversies [Music] even if montana discovers
extraordinary things some people will say great he's the nobel prize but he's aged
a lot he's
(44:06) talking nonsense i've already heard people say that some people have
written that i was sick it's unbelievable when in fact i have all my intellectual
capacities perhaps not all my physical ones but my intellect is intact people
question me you see the same way they questioned benevolence they keep saying he's
cheating it can't be otherwise history repeats itself professor montagne finds
himself in the same position as jack benveniste 30 years ago if he wants his
research to be recognized he has to publish articles he
(44:38) has in fact already published in a scientific journal the journal of
physics with a more limited distribution than nature or science i'm told you should
publish in science or nature i have published a good many articles in these
journals in the past i can do a called survey and send in an article and we'll see
if it's returned by mail or not but i shall not give up we hold on because we have
the facts we have the facts and above all they are medical applications the
professor is focusing today on his
(45:13) long time fight against aids he still hopes to be able to eradicate the
disease he's trying to identify in the blood of infected patients the unknown
biological elements associated with hiv he's working on detecting the signals
emitted after high delusions he perhaps has come to an interesting discovery
everything started with the measure of the electromagnetic signals as we found at
the beginning contrary to many other diseases two types of signals coming from hiv
infected patients we know that the virus is there but now
(45:45) we're conducting research on the bacteria we're trying to identify the
origin of these signals of a bacterial type and we could possibly get rid of the
bacteria more easily than the hiv virus itself that could be a means of stopping
the epidemic if we could succeed in blocking this agent that is perhaps involved in
the transmission of the virus professor montana's theory is that this bacteria
works together with the hiv virus this is what is called a cofactor and he has been
researching this for 30
(46:16) years today the professor is tracking this cofactor the one he singled out
thanks to techniques of electromagnetic detection now he hopes to detect it on the
screen of the electronic microscope from inra here we are let's take a seat let's
go fishing fishing for the cofactor the professor seems self-confident and having
fun fishing but a great deal is at stake the identification of this bacteria could
open the door to new therapies against hiv much lighter and easier than the present
tri therapies but also that
(46:56) would validate in fact the method of electromagnetic detection derived from
the theory of water memory a huge revenge for him and for benveniste there we saw
something that's the membrane of a red cell and then surprise in the background
these three microorganisms are infecting the red cells even in healthy people the
professor has found a bacteria that he thinks is the cofactor perhaps it could be
an important advance in the fight against hiv we will be able to have confirmation
in the near future it's a discovery and i'm quite satisfied
(47:34) with it because for a long time i've had this hypothesis but i did not find
the corresponding organism a lot of researchers do not believe in the transmitting
cofactors but on a contrary for many years i had this hypothesis the scientific
facts can now prove it if you see something no one can deny its existence except
for imbeciles luke montagne stands out against jack ben veniste whose approach was
more militant fighting for the defense of his vision of science for the professor
water memory is a technology that could probably help him
(48:10) crush his old enemy if one day i go to a conference with a man or a woman
next to me who might say i had aids i had aids but i was healed by professor
montagne's discovery i would be in heaven swimming with angels the pragmatic
professor hopes to be able to change his colleagues mentalities by offering
immediate medical applications the history of science shows that when new concepts
emerge at the beginning they are fiercely attacked and they end up being accepted
by everyone that's the eternal problem with science
(48:49) that is called the paradigm shift that is to say that we evolve in one
frame and then at one given moment we move to another dimension making research
means to to listen to be there to to believe in something but to be ready to
believe in the opposite so you are completely free there you need to abandon little
by little your beliefs and take the plunge will the theory of water memory dissolve
in the history of science or permit professor montagne to achieve significant
medical advances we would like for science to decide and
(49:27) tell us where the truth lies what is true what is false but it's not always
possible certain facts certain theories shake dogma and invalidate the established
truths in that respect a constructive debate should take place among researchers
those who wish so should be able to freely carry out their research in that
direction even if they're wrong this is the only way science can advance [Music] so
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