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(Quantum : The Answer to a Thousand Questions)
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ZvB fe `Lyb GB wavUv Kx? DiUv LyuR `Lyb, Zvici mwVK
wmv wbb|
Avcbvi wavUv wK Kvm wd wbq? KD KD ejeb h, GZ Kvm
wd! wd-i Rb AskMnY KiZ cviwQ bv|
fyj aviYv| Avcwb wbqZ Kibwd-i eev Kxfve nq hve
Avcwb wbRI Ui cveb bv| Avgvì Kvmi Ici mvi ingZ
iqQ| Kvm Kivi Rb whwb wbqZ KiQb Zvi wd-i eev nq
MQ| Avi GUv wbQK Kvm wd bqG Kvm Kivi ga w`q
KvqvUvgi mv_ Avcwb AvRxebi Rb mshy nq hvQb| AZGe
GUv nQ jvBd js GUvPgU ev jvBd js g^viwkc wd Ges
dvDkb _K mvivRxeb Avcwb gwWUkb msv ev Rxeb`wi
hKvbv welq mnvqZv cvQb|
Kvm bv KivUv Avcbvi fvM ev wbqwZ bq| GUv Avcbvi
bwZevPKZvi e| G e fvOZ ne|
Avmj cwZwU gvbewk Amxg kw I gav wbq RbMnY Ki|
ZviciI cvwicvwkK cfve, bwZevPK wPvi gbvRvMwZK kLj, v
wekvmi ew` nq AvcwbI nqZv fveQb h, GB `ytL Avgvi wbqwZ,
GB Afve Avgvi wbqwZ, GB WvM Avgvi wbqwZ, GB Lvivc iRv
Avgvi wbqwZ, GB ivM Avgvi wbqwZ, GB gvBMb Avgvi wbqwZ, GB
Akvw Avgvi wbqwZ ev GB AcgvbGUv Avgvi wbqwZ|
wK eve mZ nQe_ZvK mvdj, ivMK myZvq, `ytLK
kwZ icvii Ges e_Zvi `yP wQb Kivi kw mv Avcbvi
gaB w`qQb| KvqvUvg g_W GB kwKB RvMZ Kivi cwqv|
Rxebhvcbi G wevb PPvi ga w`q Avcwb Avcbvi `ytLK
kwZ, ivMK myZvq, nZvkvK ckvwZ, AfveK cvPzh icvwiZ
KiZ cvib| AvcvZ`wZ Ame ej gb Kiv nq Ggb AbK
wKQyKB me KiZ cvieb| KvRB Kvmi Rb GUv LiP bq,
wewbqvM| AZGe wbqZ ev AwfcvqK cej Kib| Avcbvi Kvm Kiv
ne| e`jI hveb Avcwb|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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AbK Kvm Dy Kiv

ck : gv-evev, AvZxq-^Rbì Kxfve KvqvUvg wbq Avmev?
Kxfve Dy Kiev| Zvì gwWUkbi cv_wgK avcjv Kx?
Di : AvM Avcbvi ga cwieZb AvmZ ne| hLb Abiv Avcbvi
ga cwieZb `Le, Ab Qj-gqì Pq AvcbvK Avjv`v
`Le GgwbZB Zvì ga KZ~nj mw ne h, Avi! G-Zv
AvMi gZv wPrKvi ivMvivwM KiQ bv| covkvbvq gbvhvMx nqQ|
iwUbgZv PjQ| mevi mv_ fvjv eenvi KiQ| evmvi KvR mvnvh
KiQ| A_vr h Yjv gv-evev mvbì ga `LZ Pvb mjv
hLb `Leb, Zviv GgwbB Dy neb|
Avgiv Lye mfvMevb h, dvDkb Avgiv `LwQ 40%
Qj-gqiv wmwbqi MvRyqU, gv-eveviv Rywbqi MvRyqU| A_vr mvb
AvM Kvm KiQ| Zvici gv-evevK wbq GmQ|
KviY bZzb welqi cwZ eqì Pq ZiYì AvMn _vK ewk|
AbK mgq mvbiv gv-evevK evSvZ e_ nq wbhvZbi wkKvi
nqQ, KvqvUvg Avmv e KiZ eva nqQ| wK Zviv eqv`we
Ki wb| ah aiQ, vb Kvj myhvMi Rb Acv KiQ| Ggb
nqQ, gv gb KiQb h, Qj eva nq Kvm Ki ag _K wePzZ
nq MQ| ZvB KvqvUvgi cwZ NYv Rbvevi Dk gv ZvK eva
KiQb Zvi MvRyqU AvBwW KvW _yZy w`Z, cv w`q gvovZ Ges
klgk Avgvi Qwe wQuo djZ|
QjwU hLb Avgvi KvQ Gme K_v ejjv, ZvK ejjvg, Zzwg
Zvgvi gvqi mvgb wZwb hv hv ejQb meB Kie| Zvici wRm
Kie, gv Zvgvi mvgb Zv _yZy w`jvg, cv w`q gvovjvg| wK Avgvi
gbi fZi h Qwe AvQ mUvK Kx Kiev?
GB gv ci Kvm KiQb| `ytL cKvk Kivi Rb Avgvi KvQ
GmwQjb| LvwbKUv msKzwPZ wQjb Avwg me Rvwb ej| wK Avgiv
ejwQ, bv Rb wZwb hv KiQb mvbi KjvYwPvq DwM nq
hKvbv gv-B Zv Kieb| wZwb ZLb ejQb, Kvm Ki Zvi fyj Zv
fOQB, wZwb GLb wbw h, Zvi Qj GZ fvjv GKwU mN AvQ
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hLvb ZiY cRbK mwVK w`K-wb`kbv `qv nq| wZwb ejwQjb

Zvi Qji cwieZbi K_v| GKmgqKvi e`gRvRx Qj KZUv e`j
Mj gvqi GZ AhwK AvPiYI Kvbvw`b w nq hvq wb| h
QjK AvM cvwbUv ch Xj w`Z nZv mB Qj GLb Dv gvK
cvwb GwMq `q|
KvRB gv-evevK cfvweZ Kivi Rb Avi wKQy jvMe bv| ay
wbRK cgvY KiZ ne h, Avcwb fvjv Qj ev gq nqQb|
gv-evev wewZ neb, Zvici wbRivB AvMn cKvk Kieb Kvm
Avmvi Rb|
ck : Avgvi x GKv Kvbv KvR KiZ cvi bv| GgbwK Zvi ewMZ
KvRI Avgvi mvnvh Pvq| Zvi mg gbvhvM Zvi evev Ges fvBevbi Ici, Avgvi Ici bq| ZvK Kvbv wKQy eywSq Kivbv hvq
bv| hgb KvqvUvg Kvm ZvK AvbZB cviwQ bv| dj Awfgvb
evoQ, Kx Kiev?
Di : Lye mnR| ZvK Kvmi K_v ejeb bv| eis AvcbvK Kzkjx
nZ ne| Zvi gbvhvM hw` Zvi fvB-evbi cwZ nq, Zvnj Zvì
cwZ gbvhvM w`b| ZvìK Kvm Dy Kib| Zviv hLb Kvm Ki
dje ZLb Avcbvi xi AvMn GgwbZB mw ne| A_vr memgq
mivmwi hvIqv hvq bv| hgb mvaviYfve wbRi weqi cve wbq ki
evwo hvIqv hvq bv, AviKRbi gvag cvVvZ nq GUvI m iKg|
ck : Avgvi GK ezK Kvm KivZ AvcvY Pv KiwQ| UvKvI Avwg
èv ejwQ| ZviciI ZvK ivRx KivZ cviwQ bv|
Di : GLvbB Avcwb fyj KiQb| h Kvm KiZ PvQ bv ZvK
Kvm Kivbvi Rb AvcvY Pv Kivi Kvbv cqvRb bB| Avi
Avcbvi UvKv w`q ezK Kvm Kivbvi K_v fyjI fveeb bv| ZvK
axi axi Dy Kivi Pv Kib| Zvi mgmvjv kbv Kivi Pv
Kib| Kvm Zvi mgmv Kxfve `~i nZ cvi m welqwU evLv
Kib| Avcwb gwWUkb Kgv mUvi ZvK Gb evSvZ cvib|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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wKQyw`b ci `Leb m wbRB Gm ejQ| A_vr Kvmi K_v ejZ

nj, ejvi fwUv memgq Ggb ivLeb hvZ AviKRb eySZ cvi
h, GUv Zvi KjvYi Rb|
ck : Avgvi `yB Qj-gqK MvRyqU Kvm KwiqwQ wK Iiv wbqwgZ
gwWUkb Ki bv| gv wnme Kx Kiev? Avgvi ^vgx Kvm Ki wb,
Kivi BQv AvQ ej gb nq bv| Kx Kiev?
Di : GUv mvaviYZ ^vgxì mgmv| GUv Avgvì cheY h, ^vgx
Kvm Ki xK Kvm KivZ e_ nqQb GiKg D`vniY cPzi AvQ|
wK x Kvm Ki wMq ^vgxK Kvm KivZ e_ nqQb GiKg xi
msLv Lye Kg| Avcwb cwimsLvbMZ w`K _K myweavRbK Aevb
AvQb| Kgv mUvi Gb ZvK wbqwgZ evSvb| wZwb eySeb|
Avi Qj-gqK memgq Dy KiZ ne, Rvi bq| GgbwK
gwWUkb KiZI Rvi Kieb bv| eis ZvìK Kgv mUvi Gb
evSvb h, ZvgvìK GZ myì GKUv UKwbK kLvbv njv| GLb
PPv Ki| Zvnj Zvgvì iRv fvjv ne| Avi hnZz Zviv Kvm
KiQ, KLbv bv KLbv gwWUkbi cqvRb Zviv Abyfe Kie|
wekl Ki cixvi mgq hLb Zviv wKQyUv Pvci ga _vKe ZLb
gwWUkbi K_v ejZ cvib| `Leb Zviv AvMn `LvQ|
ck : hviv KvqvUvg g_W mK Kvbv aviYv ivL bv Zviv hw`
KvqvUvg g_W Ges Gi Kvhg mK ck Ki, ZLb ZvìK GK
K_vq Kx ejev hb Zviv KvqvUvg mK GKwU mwVK I BwZevPK
aviYv cvq?
Di : KvqvUvg g_W mK BwZevPK aviYv mw ne wK bv Zv wbfi
Kie KvqvUvg h Rxeb`w AvcbvK w`qQ mUv Avcwb KZUv
AbymiY KiQb| Zvi AvjvK Avcwb wbRK KZUv e`jvZ
ciQb| hw` e`jvZ cvib Zvnj Avi AvcbvK ejZ ne bv|
AvcbvK `LB Zviv eySZ cvie| Avi KvqvUvg mK ejZ
Mj Gi AvZ Dbqb I mevg~jK KvRjv h Kviv mvgb Zzj aivB
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h_| Avi GK K_vq ejZ cvib, KvqvUvg nQ fvjv _vKv I

fvjv ivLvi wevb| ZvQvov ZvK AvjvKvqb, mv`vKvqb Abyvb wbq
AvmZ cvib| KvqvUvg DQvm viK coZ w`Z cvib|
KvqvUvg wekvm I eveZv Ges AvcwbI my nZ cvibG `ywU
wWwfwW `LZ w`Z cvib|
Kvm Kivi ci weic cwiwwZ gvKvejv

ck : Avgvi GK AvZxqi cwievii KqKRb Kvm KiQb| wK m
AvZxqK wKQyZB evSvZ cviwQ bv| wZwb ejb, mev Zv Ni emB
Kiv hvq| Gi Rb KvqvUvg hZ ne Kb?
Di : GLb Avi ZvK eve evSvZ hveb bv| gwWUkb Kgv
mUvi Gb evSveb| Avi eve AvjvcPvwiZvq mPZbfveB
KvqvUvgi Kvbv cm Avbeb bv| GZ eis KvqvUvg mK
Zvi KZnj evoe| hLb Zvi ga KZ~nj mw ne ZLb ZvK ejyb
h, mNe bv nj eo Kvbv fvjv KvR Kiv hvq bv| GRb
KvqvUvg hZ ne|
ck : Avwg 257 Zg evPi MvRyqU| KvqvUvg dvDkb Avmvi ci
Avgvi RxebUv cyivcywi cv MQ| Avgvi cwievi AvwgB c_g GB
dvDkbi mv_ hy nqwQ| Avgvi GB cwieZb AbKB kwZ
Ges AevKI| Zvì mvgb AvgvK AbK cki gyLvgywL nZ nq|
Avwg PvB Avgvi cwievii Ab mevB GLvb AvmyK Ges RxebUvK
myìfve DcfvM KiK| Kx cwZZ Avwg Zvì Dy KiZ cvwi?
Di : cwievi c_g MvRyqU nIqvi myweav AvQ, AmyweavI AvQ|
myweav nQ h, Avcwb GwMq Mjb| Amyweav njvKvmi ci
Avcbvi K_v-evZv Rxeb AvPiY cwieZb `L Abiv wewZ ne, ck
Kie| Ze GUvI GKwU BwZevPK w`K|
hgb, GKwU ZiY ev ZiYx nqZv ecivqv wQjv, DZ wQjv
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Ges KLbv KLbv nqZv Zvi ga eLvUcbvI wQjv| gwWUkb PPv

Kivi ci gv-evev hLb Zvi ga cwieZb `Lb, `Lb h, G Avi
AvMi gZv ivMvivwM KiQ bv, DwRZ nQ bv, eKvewK ev fvsPzi
KiQ bv wKsev UvKv-cqmv `qvi Rb Rvi-Rei`w KiQ bv, PvBQ
myìfve Ges hywmZ hKvbv wKQy evSvj eySQ, ZLb wewZ
nb| nqZv AbK mgq A^vfvweK wKQy NUjv wK bv mUv AbymvbI
jM hvb| KviY GUv gvbyli ^fveiB Ask h, m Kviv AvPiYMZ
cwieZb `LjB c_g gb Ki Zvi gv_v wVK AvQ wK bv|
Zvici hLb `L h gv_v wVKB AvQ ZLb KZ~njx nq| RvbZ
PvqKxfve G cwieZb njv| Rvbvi ci Zvi cvwicvwkK cwigj
`ywU avivi mw nq| GKwU Mc cksmv Ki, Drmvn `q| AviKwU Mc
mgvjvPbv Ki, weivwaZv Ki| KviY Zviv wbRiv fvjv nZ Pvq bv
Ges Ab KD fvjv nZ Mj mUvKI gb wbZ cvi bv| GUv
cwievi mncvVx mnKgx ey ev cwiwPZ hKvbv cwigj nZ cvi|
hgb mw`b G jfj coqv Avgvì GK ZiY KvqvwUqvi Gm
AvgvK ejwQjb, wZwb KvqvUvg jve ^Qvmex wnme KvR Kib
b mncvVxiv wUKvwUbx KUQ| ejQ, f~Zi eMvi LvUv| Gme
b m AbKw`b Avi dvDkb Avm wb|
Avgiv ejjvg, GUv Lye ^vfvweK| KviY GB mncvVxiv Zv me
AXj A_-wei AwaKvix evev-gvqi bbxi cyZzj| AwaKvsk B
hvi Drm ea bq| Zvì KvQ Rxeb gvb ev cvkvK, Mvjdeqd, wWRym Avi cvwU-wWmKvZ UvKv Iovbv| Rxebi j Kx,
gvbyli Rb KvR Kivi Zw Kgb Zv Giv AwaKvskB Rvb bv|
KvRB Zviv hLb Zvì GKRb mncvVxK G Rxeb `Le, Zviv
Zv weic ge KieB| Zv bv nj Zviv Zv Zvì GB AbwZK
RxebvPviK eaZv w`Z cvie bv| ZvK QvU KiZ bv cvij Zv m
wbRB QvU nq hvQ| fvjv eB covi Rb ZvK AuvZj ej hw`
KvYVvmv KiZ bv cvi Zvnj Zv ZvKI wWRym ev` w`q fvjv eB
coZ ne| AZGe Gì viv cfvweZ nIqvi wKQy bB| Avcwb
Avevi jve KvqvwUqvi wnme KvR Kib|
AZGe KvqvUvgi evcvi hZ ck Avme ZZ gv_v bvoeb Ges
cksmv Kieb h, Lye fvjv ck KiQ| h cki Reve Avcbvi
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Rvbv AvQ, mUvi Di èb| hv Rvbv bB, webqi mv_ ejeb

GUv wbq Avgiv ci K_v ejev| KLbvB weZK hveb bv| Avi hLb
eySeb Aci c weZK hZ PvQ ZLb Kkj Gwoq hveb|
Avi Avcwb ZZUzKzB ejeb hZUzKz Avcwb KiZ cvib| hgb,
Avcwb nqZv w`b GKejv gwWUkb KiQb, webqi mv_ ejeb,
`Lyb, gwWUkb Zv fvjv wRwbm, `yB ejvB Kiv DwPZ, wK Avwg
GK ejvB KiwQ, Pv KiwQ wK `yB ejv KiZ cviwQ bv| wbR `yB
ejv KiQb bv, wK AviKRbK ejeb h, GB `yB ejv gwWUkb
Ki, Zvnj Avcbvi K_vi cfve coe bv|
AZGe AbìK Dy Kivi Rb Avcwb wbqwgZ `yBejv
gwWUkb Kieb| dvDkbi wb`kbvjv AbymiY Kieb|
`LebAvcbvi ga ZLb h BwZevPKZv, h ckv cZq, h
Kwiqvi `wfw Abiv `Le mUvB Zvì gy Kie|
ck : Avgvi BQv KvqvUvg g_W Kvmi evcvi Avgvi cwievi
AvMnx nvK| GRb h_vmva Pv KiI evevwqZ nQ bv| Kb?
Di : mewKQyi RbB wbw` mgq iqQ| Kvbv Kvbv dzj wkMvQ
dvU, Kvbv dzj MvQ eo nj dvU, Avevi kZvxZ Kvbv dzj
GKevi dvU| Avcbvi cwievi Ke Kvmi evcvi Dy ne Zv
wbfi KiQ Zvì Aevi Ici| Avcbvi KvR nQ Pv Kiv| AvR
nvK, Kvj nvK GKmgq cwievi Kvm Kie|
AvR _K `k eQi AvM Ges AvRK IqvKkc AskMnYKvixi
msLv GK bq| 1994 mvj PMvg c_g Kvm nq| wZxq evP
AskMnYKvix wQjb gv 11 Rb| AvRK RvqMvi Afve AbKK
wdwiq w`Z nqQ| AvR _K `k eQi ci IqvKkc Kivi Rb
nqZv RvqMv cvIqv hve bv, evP evP IqvKkc KiZ ne| Gme
ay mgqi evcvi gv|
GgbI nqQx Kvm KiQb, ^vgx Kvm KiZ AvMnx nb wb
A_ev ^vgx Kvm KiQb, x Kvm KiZ AvMnx nb wb| Kvm GK
wkwKv Ask wbqwQjb| Zvi ^vgx Kvm KiQb 11 evP Avi wZwb
Gjb 190 evP| Kvm Ki wZwb Avdmvm KiQb AvM Kb Kib
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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wb| GLb wZwb gb KiQb dvDkbi mv_ Zvi ^vgxKI Aviv

m KiZ ne| KZ `Z Zviv DrmvwnZ ne Zv memgqB wbfi
KiQ Kxfve Avcwb ZvìK Dy KiQb Zvi Ici| Kgv mUvi
Gb Zvì evSvZ _vKzb| GKmgq bv GKmgq Zvì mvov cveb|
Avmj, Avcwb GKRbK `vIqvZ w`Z cvib, mZi Avjv Zvi
KvQ cuQ w`Z cvib, wK m MnY Kie wK bvGUv Zvi evcvi|
AZGe, mZi evYx, AvjvwKZ Rxebi evYx cuQvbvUv Avcbvi
KZe| KD MnY Kie wK Kie bvG evcvi Avcbvi Kvbv `vwqZ
bvB| m Avcbvi fvB nvK, gv wKsev Qj-gq, h-B nvK bv Kb|
cuQvbvUv Avcbvi `vwqZ, evwKUv Zvi wbRi|
ck : KvqvUvg mK KD fvjvfve bv Rb Lvivc ge Kij
Kx Kiev?
Di : KD Lvivc ge Kij KLbv DwRZ neb bv| gyPwK gyPwK
nvmeb, Rvi bq| hLb wRm Kie nvmQv Kb? ZLb ejeb h,
ejv hve bv| GUv b Zvi KZnj Aviv eo hve| m nqZv
cxovcxwo KiZ _vKe ejvi Rb| Avcwb ZLb ejyb, wVK AvQ wZb
w`b ci ejev| wZb w`b ci `Leb, m wbR GmB RvbZ PvBQ|
ZLb ZvK KvqvUvg mK LvwbKUv ejb Avi ejb h, nvmwQjvg
GRb h, GB mnR wRwbmjv ZvgvK evSvZ cvwi wb| KvqvUvg
nQ GB| `Leb gbvhvM I KZ~nj wbq m Avcbvi K_v bQ|
ck : Avwg nj _vwK| nji iggU I Avkcvki jvKRb c_g c_g
gwWUkb wbq nvmvnvwm KiZv| wK Avgvi `pZvq Zv `~i nqQ
Ges ZvivI gwWUkb KiQ| mvgwqK Kvw `~i Kivq gwWUkbi
iZ Zviv eySQ| wK mvgwMKfve eB, viK coI gwWUkbi
iZ evSvi Pv Ki wb| iRxK wbqI wewfb KgU KiQ|
G Avgvi Reve Kx nZ cvi?
Di : Avcbvi Revei Kvbv cqvRb bB| Avcbvi Reve GKUvB
Avi Zv nQ wbRi ckvw| Avcbvi iK wbq KgU KiQ| Gi
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Reve hw` w`Z hvb Zvnj Zv Avcbvi Avi Zvi ga Kvbv ZdvZ
_vKjv bv| ay nvmeb| nvwm `LB m eySe Avcwb ZvK evKv gb
KiQb| Zvi KgUi Reve `qvi cqvRbI gb KiQb bv| GUvB
geKvixi Rb mePq eo kvw| Avi evwKUv nQ wbRi fZii
kw| Avcwb wbRi fZii kwK weKwkZ Kij ay Zvi w`K
ZvKvjB `Leb m KgU fyj MQ| GRb wbqwgZ gwWUkb,
ii mv_ Ges mrmNi mv_ GKvZ _vKZ ne|
ck : KD hw` KvqvUvg dvDkbi iRxK Mvwj `q, H mgq
Avgvi KiYxq Kx nZ cvi?
Di : ZvK ejv h, Lye fvjv jvMQ| AviI ejv| Mvwj w`Qv, ZeyI
Zv iRxi bvgUv wbQv| KvqvUvg dvDkbi bvg Zv wbQv| GB
KvqvUvg dvDkb bvgUv bjB Avgvi gbUv fvjv nq hvq|
Avi AvgvK Mvwj w`j Zv Aviv Lywk neb| KviY Avgvi hv bvn
AvQ Mvwji KviY mUv gvd nq hvQ| KviY hKvbvfveB nvK m
nqZv dvDkb mK ev Avgvi mK wKQy fyj Z_ cqQ| m
mB fyj Z_Uv AvcbvK w`Q| gbvhvM w`q Zvi K_v byb| Kvbv
cwZwqv e Kieb bv| eis ejeb, Aviv fvjv Ki Mvwj `qvi
Rb GB wRwbmjv co| co co Aviv `vl-wU hv cvI me ei
Ki, Zvici Avevi Avmv| Gm Avevi ejv|
A_vr dvDkbK h MvwjMvjvR KiZ Pvq ay Zvi K_v b
hveb| Kvbv weZK hveb bv| cvv hyw w`Z hveb bv KLbv|
KviY ZLb m KvDUvi GUvK Kivi cqU cve| b hveb Ges
cksmv Kieb| `Leb, GKUv mgq m Avi eje bv| KviY m
Avcbvi ga cwZwqv mw KiZ PvQ| Avcwb cwZwqv mw bv Ki
ZvK civf~Z KiQb Ges ZvK eySZI w`Qb bv h civf~Z nQ|
Avi Avgiv Avgvì AwfZvq `LwQ h, AZxZ hviv MvwjMvjvR
KiQb, Zvì GKUv eo Ask ci Kvm Ask wbqQb|
ck : mevB KvqvUvgi fvlv evS bv| cv-GKwUf _vKZ PvBjI
memgq Zv me nq bv| wKQy gvbyl Avevi e Ki| Avwg Kx Kiev?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Di : mgvRi mevB KvqvUvgi fvlv eySe bvGUvB ^vfvweK| Avi

evS bv ejB Avgvì KvR KiZ nQ, KvR KiZ ne| G
Avwg, AvcwbAvgiv hviv eywS, Avgvì AMcw_Ki f~wgKv cvjb
KiZ ne| Avi AMcw_KivB iYxq nq, Agi nq| Di gi `wY
gi ev AvgwiKvq GLb AbKB hvQb| wK Avgiv gb iLwQ
Zvì, hviv c_g wMqwQjb| wVK GKBfve Avcwb Avcbvi cwigj
c_g| Avcbvi K_vB Zviv gb ivLe, hviv ci GmQ Zvì bq|
hLb bZzb wKQy i nq, ZLb mLvb hviv gavex, cwZfvevb,
`~i`wmb I eywgvb ZvivB c_g Zv MnY Kib| GKB mv_ AbK
weivwaZv, e-we`c, DcnvmiI wkKvi ZvK nZ nq|
wK GKmgq mvaviY gvbyl mZK eySZ cvi Ges ZLb Zviv
Avm mvZi gZv| KvRB Abì e-we`c cfvweZ neb bv|
Avcwb h bZzb wKQy KiQb, wfb wKQy KiQb GUv ZviB jY| c_g
e Kie, Zvici KZnjx ne, klgk AbymiY Kie hw` Avcwb
Avcbvi wekvm AUj _vKb Ges mZi Avjvq wbRi RxebK
AvjvwKZ Kib|
AvR hgb AvcbvK e KiQ, GKmgq AvgvK e Kivi jvKI
wQjv cPzi| cieZxZ ZvivB GK GK GmQb Zv AbymiY KiZ|
ZLb wK Avwg ZvìK wbq e Kwi wb ev K_v kvbvB wb| eis
Awfb`b Rvwbq ejwQ, Lye fvjv wmv wbqQb, GLb Avcwb
DcKZ neb| bv Gj ewZ nZb|
Avi Avgiv hLb i KiwQjvg1993 Ges 2012GB `yB mgqi
ga AvKvk-cvZvj eeavb| GLb e bq, cksmv Kivi jvKB ewk|
ZviciI wKQy weivwaZv _vKemUvB ^vfvweK| KviY Zvì fyj
`wfw ev Anseva ZvìK G c_ Avmv _K `~i mwiq ivL|
Gi evBii hviv mvaviY gvbyl Zviv Avme `j `j| KviY
wbt^v_fve Avv, wbfiZv, Avkvev` Ges KjvYi h mvb dvDkb
w`Z cviQ Zv G mgq Lye weij| Avgvì mgvR AwaKvsk B
gvbyl GLb cZvwiZ nQ, kvwlZ nQ, ^v_v^lx Pi wkKvi
cwiYZ nQ| KvRB h hZ e KiK Avcwb Avbw`Z neb h,
Abiv hLb vwi cQb, Akvwi cQbAvcwb ZLb mZi c_
AvQb, KjvY c_i AMhvx wnme AvQb|
44
ck : KvqvUvgi hKvbv cvMvg Avmvi AvM evmvq h Svgjv nq

ev evav nq, kvw jvM bv| GB evmvi eUv fvOev Kxfve? iRx,
myì eyw w`j DcKZ nev|
Di : evmvUvK myhvM evwbq djv DwPZ| Avcbvi AvPiY nqZv
Ggb wKQy mgmv iqQ hv evmvq mgmv mw Ki| cvMvg Avmvi
AvM evmvq h Svgjv mw nq Zv `yUv KviY nZ cvi| c_gZ,
Avcbvi AvPiY evmvi jvKì KvQ cQ`bxq bq| Avcwb Avcbvi
AvPiY w`q cwieviK cfvweZ KiZ cvib wb|
GRb AvM AvcbvK wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ ne| Avcwb hw`
wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZb Zvnj evmvi h SvgjvGUv AvcbvK
KvbvfveB cfvweZ KiZv bv| GB wRwbmjv hZ AvcbvK Kg
cfvweZ Kie, ZZ evmvi jvKivI Avcbvi mv_ mv_ cv-GKwUf
ne| AZGe, evmv Ges dvDkbi ga evj KiZ cvivUv nQ
Lye iZc~Y|
evmvq Ggb AvPiY Kieb bv hUv wi-GKwUf| memgq cv-GKwUf
_vKeb| evmvi Rb hv KiYxq, dvDkbi KvR KiQb ej mUvK
Aenjv Kieb bv| mLvb Kvbv NvUwZ ivLeb bv| GKRb gvbyli
mewKQyi ga evj KiZ cvivUvB nQ Abb gvbyli ewk|
dvDkb-ckv-evmvmewKQyK evj KiZ ne|
hw` dvDkb KiZ wMq evmv asm Ki djb, GUv mxgvjNb
njv| hw` evmv KiZ wMq dvDkbi mv_ mKQ` KibGUv
mxgvjNb njv| hw` dvDkb KiZ wMq ckvi evivUv evwRq
`b, mUv mxgvjNb njv| Avevi ckvi Rb dvDkb ev` w`q
w`jbGUv Avcbvi Rb wZKi| A_vr evj KivUv iZc~Y|
evmvUvK memgq gb Kieb GUv GKUv GmU| Kvbv PZbv hw`
cwievi cek bv Ki mB PZbv KLbI `xNvqx nq bv, jvwjZ nq
bv| Avi Avgiv Kwiqv Av`vq Kwi h, KvqvUvg PZbv
cvwievwiKfve jvwjZ GKwU PZbv| Avgvì KvhgjvZ gv-evev,
fvB-evb, ^vgx-x, ki-kvwo, bb`-èi mevB wgj Ask bb|
mevB wgj PPv Kivi myhvMB Avgiv mw KiZ PvB| Avi GLb
cvwievwiKfveB KvqvUvgi PPv nQ| AZGe, Avcwb hw` evmvK
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
45
Dy KiZ bv cvib Zvnj ejZ ne Avcbvi Kv_vI mgmv iqQ|

mgmvUvK kbv Kib| mUvK `~i Kib; evmv Avcbvi nq hve|
ck : Avgvi evev KvqvUvg ev gwWUkb evSb bv| Zvi KvQ _K
wg_ ej UvKv AvbZ nq| GZ wK Avgvi cvc nQ ?
Di : wg_ K_v ej Avbeb bv| ejeb, evev, Avwg KvqvUvg
hvev| GRb Avgvi UvKv jvMe| Avwg Zv wmMviU LvIqvi Rb,
bkv Kivi Rb ev Avv `qvi Rb UvKv wbwQ bv| RxebK
cwieZb Kivi Rb Avwg KvqvUvg hvB| Zzwg hw` AvgvK UvKv bv
`vI Zvnj GB Avwg Zvgvi cvqi KvQ emjvg| GLvb _K Avwg
boev bv, Lvev bv, Kv_vI hvev bv, wKQyB Kiev bv|
nqZv wZwb kvixwiKfve gviZI cvib| ZviciI ejeb, evev
GB fvjv KvR AvgvK Zvgvi mnhvwMZv KiZ ne| A_vr evevgvK memgq ejeb webqi mv_, bg nq| wK GKB mv_ Avcwb
h fvjv KvRi mv_ AvQb GB wekvm Avi mvnmUvI Avcbvi _vKZ
ne| evev ZLb AvcbvK kv KiZ i Kieb| mvgb eKvewK
KijI Avovj wVKB ejebAvgvi Qj fvjv KvR Ki| eLvU
nq hvq wb, bkv ev evR Avvq gk bv|
ck : kievwoZ AbK AenwjZ nB, dvDkb Avmv Zviv cQ`
Kib bv| G Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : Avj-vni Kwiqv Av`vq Kib Ges ki-kvwoKI abev` w`b
h, Zviv ay Avcbvi dvDkb Avmv AcQ` Kiv ch AvQb| Zviv
AvcbvK AvmZ evav `b wb ev Zviv AvcbvK wbhvZb Kib wb|
Avgvì Ggb KvqvUvg MvRyqU I cv-gvvi iqQb hvK nvRe
ai wcwUqQb hb KvqvUvg bv Avm|
ZviciI wZwb GmQb Ges evmvq wMq ejQbAvwg Zv
KvqvUvg wMqwQjvg, AvgvK Avevi gviv| GLb nvRe Kevi
gvieb! wZwb ci Kvm KiQb| Avcwb Avj-vni Kwiqv Av`vq Kib
h, Avcbvi kievwoi jvKRb Avcbvi Ici wbhvZb Kib wb Ges
46
hZY ch Zviv eySZ bv cviQb Zviv Zv Aenjv KiebB| ZvB

Avcbvi KiYxq nQ memgq Zvì Rb `vqv Kiv h, n cfy! Zzwg
ZvìK Aviv fvjv Ki `vI hvZ Zviv wbRivB mZi c_,
Avjvi c_ AvmZ cvi| Avi wbRi wekvmi Rb GKUz K Zv
KiZ ne, wekvmi cixv w`Z ne|
ck : Avgvi ^vgx GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU nIqv mI Avgvi
gwWUkb Kivq evav `q| KvqvUvg Gi Kvhg Avmv wbq cvqB
Akvw Ki Ges bvbv iKg KU~w Ki| Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : ZvK Kgv mUvi wbq Avmeb| Avmj ^vgxK wbRi gZ
nuv KivbvGUv Zv cZK xi Rb GKwU mnR KvR| Kgv mUvi
wbq Avmyb Ges ZvK evSvb h, ZvK KZ fvjevmb Ges eve Zvi
cwZ GKUz gbvhvMx nvb| Avi KLb wZwb nuv ejeb mB mgqUv eyS
K_v ejeb| `Leb h, mewKQy Lye mnR nq MQ|
ck : Avgvi evevK wKQyZB KvqvUvg g_W Kvm Dy KiZ cviwQ
bv| wZwb ejb, Avwg cvMj bv h, KvqvUvg g_W Kvm Kiev|
Avgvi Kvm AskMnYi evcvi wZwb Rvbb bv| hZB evSvZ hvB
wZwb iM hvb| iRx, Avwg evevK Kgv mUvi Gb evSvbvi
Pv KiwQ, Kvbv KvR nQ bv| Kxfve IbvK evSvZ cvwi ?
Di : gwWUkb gvMZ ZvK Kgv mUvi Gb evSvb| wZxqZ,
cZKiB GKwU `yej RvqMv AvQ, Avcbvi evevi mePq `yej
RvqMvwU LuyR ei Kib| wZwb hvi K_v kvbb ZvK w`q ejvbvi
Pv Kib| memgq mivmwi wnU Kiv hvq bv| Kivg Ljvq hgb
GKwU wU w`q AviKwU wUK wnU KiZ nq| KviY hUvK Avcwb
cKU djZ PvQb mivmwi mwU cKU djv hvQ bv|
AvcwbI Avcbvi evevK mivmwi wKQy ejZ cviQb bv| G
AviKRbi gvag ZvK ejZ ne| hw` mwVK jvK wbevPb KiZ
cvib, wZwbB ZvK evSvZ cvieb| `Leb, Avcbvi evev Kvm
Avmeb| mB mv_ `LebmB AviKRbI Kvm Pj GmQb|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
47
ck : Avgvi GK ez dvDkbi Nvi weivax| ej, gwWUkb fyqv

wRwbm| bvbvb weeZKi ck Ki| Gici Avwg Kx ejev?
Di : gb gb Zvi cwZ mge`bv cKvk Kieb| Avnv ePviv!
gwWUkb h cgvwYZ wevb, GB eve Z_ m GLbv Rvb bv| wKQyB
ejeb bv, ay nvmeb| Avcwb Rvbb h, G weivax| Zvi mv_ Kvbv
weZK RovZ hveb bv| m hZ ej ejyK| nvwmgyL b hvb|
GKRb avbx KLbv Abi K_vq weeZ eva Kib bv| weZK KLbv
Roveb bv Ges KvDK Ggb Kvbv K_v ejeb bv, Ggb Kvbv ge
Kieb bv h, mRb ci `ytL cKvk KiZ nq|
KvqvUvg, gwWUkb I Bmjvg

ck : KvqvUvg g_W ag ev Bmjvgwei wK bv? Bmjvgwei Kvbv
wKQy GZ AvQ wK bv?
Di : Bmjvgi mv_ KvqvUvgi Kvbv weiva bB| Avgiv `pwP
ejZ cvwi h, KviAvb-nv`xmi Kvbv weavbi m KvqvUvgi
Kvbv weiva bB|
Avgiv hLb G Kvm RbmvaviYi Rb Dby Kwi, Avgiv Avgvì
`ki mg wewk Avjg, hZ gZi Avjg AvQb mevBK AvgY
RvwbqwQjvg cheK wnme Kvm _vKvi Rb Ges `Lvi Rb h,
KvqvUvg g_Wi Kvbv m~ ev UKwbKi ga Cgvb-AvKx`vi mv_
mvsNwlK wKQy AvQ wK bv, Bmjvgwei Kvbv wKQy AvQ wK bv|
AbK wewk Avjg G Kvm AskMnY KiQb Ges mevB GK
evK ejQb h, KvqvUvgi Kvbv m~i mv_ Avgvì CgvbAvKx`vi Kvbv weiva bB|
AwaKvskB Lye `ytL Ki ejQb h, Avgiv Zv ewj `wij Kvje
Qvov bvgvR nq bv| ay iKz-mR`v w`j, m~iv-KivZ coj bvgvR nq
bv| bvgvRi Rb cqvRb `wij Kvje, GKvMwPZv| GB `wij
Kvje Kxfve mw KiZ nq GLvb Gm wkL Mjvg| AvjgMY hviv
G Kvm Ask wbqQb, mevB GKwU K_v ejQb h, Zvì bvgvRi
48
GKvMwPZv, gbvhvM AvMi Pq ewk| ZvB hviv Bev`Z-e`wMZ

GKvMwP nZ Pvb gwWUkb ZvìK PgrKvifve mvnvh Kie|
GQvov AbK AvMB Avgiv ejwQ, hw` Kvbv Avjg cgvY KiZ
cvib h, KvqvUvg g_W eB ev KvqvUvg g_Wi Kvbv K_v ev
cwqvi mv_ Bmjvgi Kvbv weiva iqQ Zvnj Avgiv Zv mskvab
Ki bev| MZ 20 eQiI KD GKwU jvBb `LvZ cvib wb|
AZGe wbw gb _vKeb, wbw gb PPv Kieb|
ck : KviAvb I imyji nv`xm mwVKfve Abyaveb Aaqb I Gi
AbymiY Kij mvdj I ckvw AeavwiZ| m KvqvUvg ev G
RvZxq Kvbv g_Wi wK Kvbv cqvRb AvQ?
Di : KviAvb Ges imyji nv`xm mwVKfve Abyaveb, Aaqb Ges
AbymiY hvZ Avcwb KiZ cvib GRbB gwWUkbi cqvRbxqZv|
KviY hZY ch bv gy gb wbq Avcwb KviAvb-nv`xm Abyaveb ev
Aaqb Kivi Pv Kieb ZZY ch Zv Avcbvi `qg ne bv,
Avcwb eySZ cvieb bv|
GLb ejeb, gwWUkb bZzb wRwbm, bexRxi hyM Zv GB
gwWUkb wQjv bv, KvqvUvg g_W wQjv bv, gwWUkb Kivi
cqvRbUv Kx? Avmj bexRxi mgq GZ Ubkb wQjv bv, GZ
hvwKZv, GZ cwZhvwMZv wQjv bv| ZLb gvbyl DwRZ nZv Avevi
VvvI nZv| wK GLb gvbyl DwRZ nq, wK Vvv nq bv| hvi dj
m mZK AbymiY KiZ cvi bv|
mwVKfve Avcwb hvZ KviAvb Ges nv`xm Abyaveb KiZ cvib,
Aaqb KiZ cvib, `qg KiZ cvib G Rb gv_vUvK Vvv
ivLv cqvRb| Avi G RbB gwWUkb| ebUvK ewk Ki eenvi
KiZ gwWUkbi weK bB| hLbB Avcwb mwVKfve Abyaveb Ges
Aaqb KiZ cvieb, ZLbB Avcwb h_vh_fve AbymiY KiZ
cvieb Ges gwWUkb G AZ PgrKvi mnvqK kw|
ck : AbK ejb, cuvP Iqv bvgvR Av`vq KijB h_| Gici
Avi gwWUkbi cqvRb bB| G evcvi Avcbvi gZ Kx?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
4-
49
Di : cuvP Iqv bvgvR Av`vq Zv cZK gymjgvbi Rb diR, hv

Aek cvjbxq| Kvbv gymjgvb hw` Zv bv Ki Zvnj agi GKwU
AvekKxq jNbi `vl m `vlx ne| wK cuvP evi bvgvR Av`vq
KijB wK me nq Mj?
Avmj ay Pvj-Wvji Zwi wLPzwo _KB GKwU gvbyl Zvi `ni
Rb cqvRbxq 19wU Gwgbv GwmW cZ cvi| ZvB ej wK gvbyl
ay Pvj-WvjB Lvq? mewR, gvQ-gvsm Lvq bv? GKUv Ni ay LyuwU,
`qvj, Qv` _vKjB nq bv| Nii Avmeve, mvR-mvi DcKiY,
BZvwÌ jvMvZ nq| A_vr diR njv gwjK, hgb GKUv Nii
LuywU| wK ay LuywU _vKjB Ni nq bv, hw` bv Aviv cwic~iK
Dcv`vb ZvZ m nq| ZvQvov bvgvR gbvhvM ewi RbI
gwWUkb Kiv DwPZ|
ck : Avgvi cwiwPZ GKRb Lye avwgK| KvqvUvg Avgvi Avmv-hvIqv
`L ej nvivg-nvivg, Kvdi nq hve| ZvK Avwg wKQyB ewj wb|
Kx Di èv?
Di : wKQyB ejeb bv, Kvbv Di `qvi ìKvi bB| wZwb hLb
nvivg-nvivg ejeb, Avcwb gyPwK nvmeb| GKgv g~L Qvov KD
GiKg K_v ej bv| KviY KvbvwKQy bv Rb hLb KD dZvqv `q
ZvK g~L Qvov Avi wKQy ejv hvq bv|
ck : KvmgU ejQ, dvDkb bvwK Bmjvg _K `~i ivLvi Rb
KvR KiQ, Avwg wekvm Kwi wb|
Di : wekvm Kib wb Zv evSvB hvQ, wekvm Kij Avcwb AvmZb
bv| Avmj dvDkb Bmjvgi g~j wkvKB cPvi KiQ| bex-imyjiv
h K_vjv ejQb, dvDkbI GKB K_v ejQ| Avgiv hviv
dvDkbi mv_ AvwQ, dvDkb Avmvi ci Avgiv mevB hvi hvi
agcvjb AvMi Pq AbK ewk mwq nqwQ|
ck : Bmjvgi mv_ KvqvUvgi Kvbv gZweiva AvQ Kx? bvP Mvb
AwfbqK mvcvU `qv nq Kb?
50
Di : bvP, Mvb ev Awfbq Kx KvR jvMvbv nQ GUv nQ iZc~Y

GUv AvcbvK mvi w`K AvKlY Ki, bv mv _K `~i mwiq wbq
hvq| Avgiv h wgDwRK eenvi Kwi GUv wK Avcbvi gbK ckv Ki,
bv gbK kqZvbi gZv Awi Ki Zvj, Akv Ki| Bmjvg mB
wRwbmUv nvivg hUv Avcbvi Rb wZKi, Avi mB wRwbmUv nvjvj
hUv Avcbvi Rb KjvYKi|
ck : Avwg Rvwb h, KvqvUvg g_W BmjvgmZ| wK AbìK
Kxfve evSvev?
Di : Avmj Abì evSvbvUv Lye mnR| Abiv h fvlvq evSb
m fvlvq evSveb| Abiv AvcbvK `L gbB Ki bv h, Avcwb
BmjvgmZ| mRb hvìK `L gb nq Giv BmjvgmZ Zvì
K_v ejeb h, Zviv Kvm KiQb| Ggb Kvbv Mc bB h Mci
Avjg-Ijvgviv Avgvì Kvm AskMnY Kib wb| ejeb h, AgyK
KiQb, AgyK KiQb Ges mevB ejQb h, Gi mv_ Bmjvgi
Kvbv weiva bB| GUv nQ mePq mnR Dcvq| ZvwK AvjvPbvq
hvIqvi cqvRb bB|
ck : Avgvi cwievii GKRb m`m gwWUkb Ki h_ DcKvi
cqQb, wK GLb wZwb ejb, Avj-vnK WvKv| KvqvUvg hZ
ne bv| ILvb wn`y, wLvb, eiv Avm|
Di : bexRx (m)-Gi ILvb cwjK AvmZv, wLvb AvmZv, B`x
AvmZv| bexRx Zv KvDK AvmZ gvbv Kib wb KLbv| bexRxi
ILvb wewfb mc`vqi, wewfb RvqMv _K cwZwbwaiv AvmZb|
GgbwK hLb bvRivb _K wLvb cwZwbwa`j gmwR` beexZ Gjb,
Avjvc-AvjvPbv kl hLb Zviv ejjb h, Avgvì Zv GLb
cv_bvi mgq nqQ, Avgiv evBi wMq cv_bv Ki Avwm| bexRx (m)
ejwQjb, Kb, Zvgiv wK GB RvqMvUvK Zvgvì cv_bv Kivi
gZv cwe gb Ki bv? ZLb gmwR` beexZ wLvbiv cv_bv Kijv|
mB bexi DZ nq KZ QvU `w, KZ Muvov, KZ A `w
Avgvì! h GUv ejQ Avgiv Zvi n`vqZ Kvgbv Kwi| cig cfy
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
51
ZvK n`vqZ `vb Kib| KviY bexRx (m) cw_exZ GmwQjb

ivngvZzwj-j Avjvgxb ev mgM mwi Rb ingZ wnme| ay Avieì
Rb bq, ay gymjgvbì Rb bq ev bq Kvbv wekl mc`vqi
Rb| wZwb KvR KiQb mevi Rb|
AZGe, Zuvi cwZwbwaZ hviv Kieb, Zviv mg mwi Rb KvR
Kieb| wekl Kvbv RvZi ev wekl Kvbv mc`vqi Rb bq|
GUvB Zuvi h_vh_ AbymiY|
ck : gwWUkb gbK ckv Ki| Avwg KviAvb-nv`xmi AvjvK
RvbZ cvijvg bvgvRB GKgv gbK ckv KiZ cvi| Gi mwVK
evLv RvbZ PvB|
Di : gbK ckv Kivi gZv bvgvR hvZ Avcwb coZ cvib
GRbB gwWUkb ìKvi| ay IVv-emv Kij, iKz-mR`v w`j
bvgvR nq bv| Avgvì bvgvRxi msLv Zv Kg bq| Ryvi w`b wekvj
ivv e Ki bvgvR nq| hfve Avgiv bvgvR cwo ZvZ hw` ckvw
cvIqv hZ, Zvnj Avgvì `k GZ Akvw _vKZv bv|
bvgvR wVKfve covi Rb gbvhvM cqvRb| Avi gwWUkb
gvbyli gbK eZgvb wbq Avm| hLb Avcwb gbK eZgvb wbq
AvmZ cvieb, gbvhvMK GKvM KiZ cvieb, Avj-vnK nvwRi
bvwRi wnme Abyfe KiZ cvieb ZLb m bvgvR Avcwb coZ
cvieb h bvgvR gvbylK ckv KiZ cvi| ZLb Avcwb ejZ
cviebbvgvRB h_| wK H i hZ nj gwWUkb cqvRb|
GRbB imyjyj-vn (m) gwWUkb KiQb| wK wZwb Avgvì
Ici gwWUkb Pvwcq `b wb| bexRx (m) KLbv Pvb wb, wZwb hZ
KVvi mvabv KiQb Zvi Abymvixì Ici Zv Pvwcq w`Z| AbK
wKQy wZwb wbR KiQb wK Avgvì Rb ejQbZvgiv KijI
KiZ cviv|
G cm wewk Bmjvgx wPvwe` W. ZvwiK ivgv`vb Zvi The
Messenger : The meanings of the life of Muhammad eBZ
ejQb, He did not demand of his companions the worship,
fasting and meditation that he exacted of himself. A_vr wZwb
52
hfve Bev`Z KiZb, ivRv ivLZb Ges gwWUkb KiZbwZwb

Zuvi Abymvixì Ici m KVviZvK Pvwcq w`Z Pvb wb| wZwb Zuvi
AbyMvgxì evcvi AbK big wQjb|
ck : bex-imyjMY gvbylK h Avmj gywi c_ `wLqQb KvqvUvg
wK m KvR KiQ?
Di : KvqvUvg m KvRB KiQ| gvbyli AatcZbi KviY nQ
Awe`v, v wekvm, v msvi, v `wfw| hyM hyM bex-imyjiv
GmQb gvbylK GB vw _K gy Kivi Rb| gbvRvMwZK `vmZ,
v wekvm _K gy Ki ZvìK bZzb wekvm ejxqvb KiQb|
KvqvUvg Avgiv mB KvRUvB KiwQ|
Avj-vn Zvqvjv ejQbh Avj-vnK wekvm Ki Avj-vnB Zvi Rb
h_| GB wekvmi kwK Avgiv RvMZ KiwQ| wekvmi kw GKRb
gvbylK Zvi gbvRvMwZK `vmZ _K gy Ki|
Avgiv ejwQwekvm Kib, Avcwb mdj neb| Avgiv ejwQ
wekvm Kib, ivM _K Avcwb gyw cveb, Avgiv ejwQwekvm
Kib, gv_ve_v _vKe bv| Kvgi e_v _vKe bv| nuvUzZ e_v _vKe
bv| wekvm Kib, iKz-mR`v w`q bvgvR coeb|
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GUvPgU wd| A_vr dvDkbi m AvRxeb mshy _vKvi ga w`q
h mev m MnY KiQ Zvi GKKvjxb wd|
Avi Kvm bv KiI Avgvì AbK KvR h KD AskMnY KiZ
cvib| Kvm Kivi AvM GKRb gvbyl hvZ gwWUkbi evcvi
aviYv jvf KiZ cvib, KvqvUvg g_W _K DcKZ nZ cvib
mRb cwZ gjevi Avgvì mvvwnK AvjvKvqb cvMvg AvQ, cwZ
evi mvvwnK mv`vKvqb cvMvg AvQ| G cvMvgjv mevi RbB
Dby| cvMvgjvZ dvDkbi KvDwjiiv _vKb, hvì KvQ
_K h KD civgk wbZ cvib|
Kvm Kivi ci cwievii Kvbv m`m hLb

dvDkb AbvMnx
ck : AbK evSvbvi ci Avgvi Qj Kvm KiQ 247 Zg evP|
wK GLb Avi Kvbv cvMvg hZ Pvq bv, gwWUkbI KiZ Pvq
bv| Kxfve gvwUfU Kiev?
Di : Awi bv nq AvM AvcbvK wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ ne|
Avcbvi AMZ kwK RvMZ KiZ ne| Avgvi gb nq Avcwb
62
nqZv wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiQb bv| wbR wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kib|

Zvici QjK Kgv mUvi Gb evSvb| Avcbvi gwWUwUf
jfj hLb wVK ne ZLb Avcbvi QjiI wVK nIqvi mvebv
eo hve| ZvK PvcvPvwc Kieb bv, Rvi Kieb bv| hZ bv
PvBj eKvewKI Kieb bv| KviY Rvi Ki Kvbv fvjv KvRI
Kivbv hvq bv|
ck : Avgvi cwievii m`m wZbRb, Avgiv ^vgx-x Ges Avgvì
gq| mevB Kvm KiQ wK Avgvi ^vgx cvMvgjvZ Avm bv|
Avwg Ges Avgvi gq Lye Pv Kwi wK cvwi bv| Kxfve cviev `qv
Ki hw` ejb?
Di : Kvm hnZy wZwb KiQb KvRB cvMvgI wZwb GKw`b AvMnx
neb| Ze Lye Pv KiZ hveb bv| KviY AbK mgq ewk ejjI
AvMn De hvq; eis GLb wKQzw`b ZvK Avi ejebB bv| Avcbviv
cvMvg _K Gm wbRiv wbRiv AvjvPbv KiZ cvib h, GB GB
njv| wK Zvi mvgb bq| `Leb h, KZ~njx nq DVQb wZwb|
Avi cvkvcvwk Kgv mUvi Zvi Rb `vqv Kieb hvZ wZwb
wbqwgZ cvMvg Avmb|
KvqvUvg PZbvi mv_ AmvgmZv

ck : hw` Kvbv KvqvUvg MvRyqUi AvPiY KvqvUvg PZbvi mv_
Lvc bv Lvq ZLb Kx KiYxq? Kxfve Dy Kiv hvq?
Di : ZvK Dy Kivi mePq mnR Dcvq njvh welq ZvK
Dy KiZ PvQb, m welqi gWj wbRB nq hvIqv| KviY Avgiv
Avgvì AwfZvq `LwQ, hviv wbRiv e`jvZ ciQb ZvivB
Abì mePq fvjv Dy KiZ cvib| Avi KvqvUvg g_W Kvm
Kivi ciI GKRb gvbyl wgZ cvlY KiZ cvi| GUvI GKUv
^vfvweK evcvi| KviY Pvi w`bB GKRb gvbyl cyivcywi e`j hve,
Rxebi me mZK Dcjw Ki dje Zv bv-I nZ cvi| ZvK
mgq w`Z ne, myhvM w`Z ne|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Gi Rb DwRZ nIqv hve bv, weZK Rovbv hve bv, Rvi

Ki ZvK evSvZ hvIqviI Kvbv cqvRb bB| ZvK dvDkb
AvmZ ejZ cvib| AMvwbqviì mv_ K_v ejj ^vfvweKfveB
Zvi AbK mskq-weZKi Aemvb NUe| A_vr Kviv weZwKZ AvPiY
_K mv_ mv_ gb gb ev cKvk DwRZ nq hveb bv| ah
aib, mnbkxj mgggx AvPiY Kib| `Leb ZvK Rq Kivi c_
cq MQb|
ck : Avgvi QvUfvB I Avwg Kvm KiwQ| QvU fvBwU gv-evevi mv_
Lvivc eenvi KiZv| Kvmi ciI Zvi Kvbv DbwZ bB| GgbwK
wVKgZv gwWUkbI KiQ bv| Avwg ZvK fvjv Kivi gbQwe `LwQ|
wK eve Avwg Kx c`c bev eySZ cviwQ bv|
Di : Kviv Kviv aviYv h, KvqvUvg Kvm KivjB GKRbi AvPvi
AvPiY ivZvivwZ e`j hve| Kvbv Kvbv gv-evev mvbìK wbq
Avmb hb KvbviKg Kvm KivjB eva nq m ivZvivwZ e`j
hve| Avmj fvjv wRwbm Rvbv evSv Ges fvjv nIqv G `yUvi ga
AbK cv_K iqQ| `xNw`bi AvPiY Afvm e`jvZ mgq jvM|
nqZv fZii cwieZbUv Lye `Z Pj AvmZ cvi|
wK PZbvMZ cwieZbUv AvPiYMZ cwieZb ic wbZ memgqB
mgq jvM| GgbwK bex-imyjivI hviv hyM hyM GmwQjb gvbyli
AvPiYMZ cwieZb Ges m`vPvix nIqvi wkv w`Z, ZvivI eQii ci
eQi ai Zvì Abymvixì mB wkv Abymvi AvPiY KiZ Dy
KiQb| Zv m mgq ch Acv KiZ ne Ges Dy KiZ ne|
wK Avgiv AbKB mB mgq ch Acv KiZ ivwR nB bv|
Avgiv ewj h, Kvm KiQ `yB w`b nq Mj, GLbv Zv cwieZb
nq wb| Avi ZLbB Avgiv eo aibi fyj Kwi| GZ Zvi fZii
cwieZbi AvMnUvB evavM ne| fveeI AvQv, AvgvK Zv ejQ,
P nq wb, Zvnj Zv Avwg AvMB fvjv wQjvg| hiKg wQjvg,
miKgB _vKev| GiKg LuvUv hLbB `qv nq, ZLb Zvi
cwieZbUvK AwaKvsk B wcwQq `qv nq| AZ cwieZbi
Zvi GKUv wiRvfkb mw nq hvq|
64
GRb ZvK memgq Dy KiZ ne, cwieZbi AbyKj cwiek

mw KiZ ne| ay ejeb, evn! ZvgvK Zv AvMi Pq fvjv
jvMQ| Zvgvi ivM Zv GKUz KgQ|
A_vr memgq ZvK Dy Kieb| m h fvjv nQ GUv ZvK
ejeb| KviY, GKRb gvbyl hLb cksmv cvq, ZLb Ggb wKQy KiZ
m waveva Ki hv GB cksmvi wecixZ| Zvi gb nqG KvRUv
Kiev? GUv Kij Zv cksmv cvev bv Ges `Lv hve h, m Av
Av fvjv nq DVQ|
Avmj Kvbv Kvbv gv-evev fvjvUvK cksmv Kib bv, Avi
Lvivc wKQy cj Suvwcq cob wb`v-g` Kivi Rb| A_P mvbK
kvaivevi Dcvq nQ fvjvi cksmv Kiv, QvULvUv LvivcK AbK
`LI bv `Lvi fvb Kiv| A_vr Zvi ga h `vlwU AvQ, Zv
h Avcbviv Rvbb, mwU eySZ bv w`q civ D`vniY w`q `vljv
awiq `qv| KviY, Zvnj m-I GKaibi msKvPi Mwi ga
_vKeh, gvbyl Zvi `vljv mK Rvb bv, Zvì mvgb fvjv
_vKvi Rb|
ZvK memgq dvDkb hZ Dy KiZ ne| m hw` Zvi
PZbvi hviv mx Zvì mv_ ewk mgq KvUvZ cvi ZLb Zvi
cwieZbUv AbK `kgvb ne|
ck: Avgvi AvMB Avgvi evev Kvm KiQb| cuvP eQi ek fvjvB
wQjb| wK GLb wbRi BQvq AmyZvi w`K hvQb| K_v ejZ
Mj bvbvb ZK Kib| Ggbme K_v ejb h, ivM DV hvq|
QvULvUv welq wbqI Lye Svgjv Kib| evmvq _vKv Lye mgmv nq
MQ| Avevi mvb nq G AevI `Lv hvq bv| Gme KviY nZvkvq
fyMwQ| Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : Avgiv Avbw`Z h, Kvm Kivi ci cuvP eQi Avcbvi evev my
wQjb| wK GLb Avevi Amy nqQb| evSv hvQ Zvi eqm nqQ|
nqZv wiUvqvW GBR| GB eqm Kviv Kviv ga GK aibi
mbvwjwU ev eqmRwbZ gvbwmK mgmv `Lv `q| hUvK mK
PvBWI ej| A_vr wki gZv AeyS, Amnvq, Abì Ici
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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65
wbfikxjZv| Avcbvi evevi AevI GLb Zv-B| Zvi GLb cqvRb

ggZv, hZ, gbvhvM Ges cwiPhv|
Avcbvi ck _K Aek evSv hvQ Avcbvi evevK Avcwb Lye
fvjevmb| mB fvjevmvi `wZB ZvK `Lyb| ZvK Avmj
gvbwmKfve cwic~Y my gb Kivi KviY bB| KviY, my nj wZwb G
aibi AvPiY KiZb bv| wZwb nqZv Avcbvì KvQ _K GLb
Aviv gbvhvM PvQb| ZK Kiv ev QvULvUv welq wbq Svgjv Kivi
evcvijv nqZv mUvi KviYB nQ| ZvK GLb GKwU wki gZv
`Lyb| ivM Kieb bv| ZK Kieb bv| hZw`b euP AvQb mvagZv
L`gZ Kivi Pv Kib| KviY Pj hvIqvi ci Zv Avi GB myhvM
cveb bv| cveb bv evev ej WvKvi gZv KvDK |
Avi Avcbvi evevi Rb `vqv Kieb, cwZw`b `yevi gwWUkb
Kgv mUvi evevK wbq Avmyb| ggZv w`q ZvK evSvb h, Avcwb
ZvK KZ fvjevmb, Zvi wbivgq Kvgbv Kib| Avwg wekvm Kwi,
Bbkvj-vn Avcbvi evevK wbq G mgmv _vKe bv|
66
gwW
gwWUkb
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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68
mvdji kw inm
ck : GKRb gvbyli mvdji inm Kx? Kb m wekvm Kie h,
mdj nevi mvg_ ZviI iqQ?
Di : mdj nIqvi Rb GKRb gvbyli A_-we, eskghv`v, kvbkIKZ, wWwM-c`we bv _vKjI Kvbv mgmv bB| KviY mdj nevi
Rb Zvi hv cqvRb Zv mv RbMZfveB cwZwU gvbylK w`q
w`qQb Ges cwZwU mdj gvbyl G m` ev cyyuwRK eenvi KiB
mdj nq| Avi hviv eenvi Ki bv ZvivB nq e_, nZvk Avi
AKgY| Avi GB m` ev cyuwRi bvg nQ gw|
GB gw h KZ eo cyuwR, KZ eo m` Zv Avgiv wKQyUv eySZ
cviev hw` Avgiv wnme Ki `wL gwK evRvi wKbZ nj wK
iKg `vg w`Z nZv| Avgiv Rvwb, gwi KvQvKvwQ h h evRvi
cvIqv hvq Zv nQ KwDUvi|
-1 nQ Avwki `kKi GKUv mycvi KwDUvi| Gi IRb mvZ
Ub| Avi gwi IRb nQ ò wKjv| -1 KwDUvii GB mvZ
Ubi `n 60 nvRvi gvBj Zvi eenvi Kiv nqQ| Avi gwi GB
ò KwR IRbi ga h Zvi eenvi Kiv nqQ Gi `N `yB j
gvBj| -1 KwDUvi cwZ mK 400 wgwjqb KvjKzjkb ev
wnme KiZ cvi, gw cvi 20 nvRvi wewjqb| A_vr gw GK
wgwbU h KvR KiZ cvie -1 mycvi KwDUvii mwU KiZ
jvMe 100 eQi|
h KviY wbDivmvqwUiv ejb, hKvbv mycvi KwDUvii
Pq gw nQ Kgc 10 j Y kwkvjx| GLb `vg wnmve
Kib| GKUv KwDUvii `vg 50 nvRvi UvKv| gw 10 j Y
kwkvjx| 10 j w`q 50 nvRviK c~iY Kib| KZ nq? cuvP nvRvi
KvwU UvKv| cuvP nvRvi KvwU UvKvi mwi gvwjK Avcwb|
-1 Gi ci MZ wZb `kK Aviv AbK kwkvjx mycvi
KwDUvi Zwi nqQ eU, wK eZgvb weki `ZZg KwDUvi AvB
we Gg ivW-ivbvi ch gwi KggZvK kgv KiZ cvi wb|
eis gw wbq wevbxiv hZB MelYv KiQb ZZB Zviv eySZ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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cviQb wekvj mgyì cvo ùvwoq Zxi aq Avmv XDB Kejgv

Zviv YQb|
gwi gv GKwU welqI hw` Avgiv `wL, ZvnjI Gi wekvj
KggZv I cwZwU gvbyli Adzi KggZv mK AviKUz aviYv
KiZ cviev|
gw 100 wewjqb wbDivb mj iqQ| cwZwU wbDivb GK
nvRvi _K cuvP j wbDivbi mv_ mshy| KZjv hvMvhvM
me? hyiv gwWUkb msv MelYvi AMcw_K nvfvW gwWKj
zji cdmi W. nvevU ebmb Lye PgrKvifve ejQb, msLvwU
ne : 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000|
GUvK Avcwb AbfveI `LZ cvib| Avcwb Avcbvi Uwej
GKUvi Ici GKUv mvaviY mvBRi UvBc Kivi KvMR ivLyb| ivLZ
_vKzb| GUv DuPz nZ _vKe| Avcwb hw` Avcbvi gwi mve
wbDivb mshvM msLvi mgmsLK KvMR ivLZ Pvb, Zvnj KvMRi
wXwe DuPz nZ nZ Puv` cvi nq, miRMr cvi nq Mvjvw cvi nq
hve| GgbwK Avgvì Rvbv gnvweki mxgvbv (16 wewjqb AvjvKel)
cvi nq hve| ZviciI KvMR iq hve|
A_vr mvdji Rb cqvRbxq mKj DcKiY w`qB mv gvbylK
mw KiQb| cqvRb ay GB Adzi mvebvgq Re KwDUviK
cwiKwZfve ewk cwigvY eenvi KiZ kLv|
ck : gwK ewk cwigvY eenvi Kivi Rb Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : gwicx weqKi Re KwDUvi h_vh_fve eenvi Kivi
Rb cqvRb mymsnZ gvbwmK cwZ| Avi gvbwmK cwZi wfw nQ
`wfw, wbqZ ev Awfcvq| KviY gb cwiPvwjZ nq `wfw ev wbqZ
viv| Avi gwK Pvjvq gb| wevbxiv `xN MelYv KiQb gb I
gwi mK wbq| W. Gjb MvBb, W. Rb gwUj, W.
IqvBvi cbwd I W. B iq Rb `xN MelYvi ci ejQb, GKRb
cvMvgvi hfve KwDUviK cwiPvwjZ Ki, Zgwb gb gwK
cwiPvwjZ Ki|
gw nQ nvWIqvi Avi gb nQ mdUIqvi| bZzb Z_ I bZzb
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wekvm gwi wbDivb bZzb WbWvBU mw Ki| bZzb wmbvcmi

gvag Zwi nq mshvMi bZzb ivv| e`j hvq gwi Kgcevni
cvUvb| gw ZLb bZzb `wfwi AvjvK bZzb eveZv Dcnvi
`q| bZzb eveZv fvjv ne bv Lvivc ne, KjvYKi ne bv wZKi
Zv wbfi Ki gw `qv Z_ ev cvMvgi fvjv-gì Ici|
KjvYKi Z_ I wekvm KjvYKi eveZv mw Ki Avi wZKi Z_
ev wekvm wZKi eveZv Dcnvi `q|
aib, eb hw` cvMvg w`Z _vKbcvov Kcvj, cvov Kcvj,
cvov Kcvjebi Rb GUv Kgv nq hvq h, KcvjUvK cvovZ
ne| AZGe hLvb Mj Avcwb AcgvwbZ neb, K cveb, hYv
cveb eb Nyi wdi AvcbvK mLvb wbq hve hvZ AcgvwbZ nq,
jvwZ nq Avcwb ejZ cvib h, ejwQjvg bv, Avgvi cvov
Kcvj| Avevi eb hw` cvMvg w`Z _vKb mvdj mvdj mvdj
Zvnj Avcwb mvdji m~ LyuR cveb| hLvb Mj mnhvwMZv
cveb, eb AvcbvK Nyi wdi ILvb wbq hve| ZvB gbi kwK
mywbqwZ KiZ cvijB ebK ewk cwigvY eenvi KiZ cvieb|
Avi gbi kwK mywbqYi Rb cqvRb gwWUkb| Ze
mvcwZK MelYvq `Lv MQ, gwWUkbi dj Lv` gwB NUQ
Ggb wKQy cwieZb hv GKRb gvbyli eywgvmn Zvi evSvi gZv,
wZkw, wek-lYx gZv I mRbkxjZvK evwoq w`Z cvi| G wbq
wbDRDBK gvMvwRbi 10 Rvbyqvwi 2011 msLvq GKwU cQ`
cwZe`b cKvwkZ nq|
wevbxiv ejb, GKRb gvbyli gwi wbDivb I wmbvcmi
(`ywU wbDivbi gaeZx mshvM c_) msLvwaKi wfwZB mw nq
DPii eywgv| Avi MelYvq `Lv MQ, gvMZ gbvhvM w`q
weZ Kiv hvq G wmbvcmK| Aviv `Lv MQ, gwi h AskwU
Avgvì gbvhvM wbqY Ki wbqwgZ gwWUkb Zvi cyiZ eoQ|
Avi gwWUkbi gvag gwK ewk cwigvY eenvi Kivi P~ov
hvMm~Uv nQ m mvivZ gwWUkbi Ae_ dj| wevbxiv ejb,
m wbDivbi k| mi dj wbtmZ KwUmvj nigvb wbDivbi
gvqwjb wk_ bvgK AveiYK wZM Ki, evavM Ki wbDivbjvi
AvtcviwiK hvMvhvMK| gwWUkbi c_g jvfB hnZz ckvw,
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ZvB GKRb wbqwgZ avbx memgqB mvaviYì Zzjbvq eywgvb,

cvevb Ges mdj ewk|
ck : Avgiv Kb GB wekvj kwfvviK eenvi KiZ cvwi bv? Kb
e_Zv Avm?
Di : Avmj gvbyli kw I mvebvK memgq kLwjZ I cy Ki
ivL msvi I v wekvm| Ab mvebv wbq RbMnY Kiv mI
cvwievwiK, mvgvwRK I ivxq cwigj cPwjZ aviYvi kLj m
gv^q ew` nq co| cwiek hv ZvK fveZ kLvq m Zv-B
fve, hv KiZ ej Zv-B Ki|
cwZwU mvebvgq gvbewk gbvRvMwZK `vmZi KviY cwiYZ nq
GK Amnvq wbicvq cvYxZ| mvKvmi nvwZi Rxebi w`K ZvKvj
GB gbvRvMwZK `vmZi welqwU eySZ Kvbv Amyweav nq bv|
Rj _K `yi cvY Pj nw kveKK ai Gb Qq dzU jvnvi
wkKj w`q k cvUvZbi mv_ eua ivLv nq| c_gw`K nwwk
wkKj Quovi Rb gwiqv nq Pv Pvjvq| wK GZ QvU kixi w`q m
wRwi fvOZ cvi bv| Dv Zvi cv-B iv nq hvq| dj GK
mgq GB Mw I ew`Zi KvQ nw wk AvZmgcY Ki| Gfve Zvi
ga Zwi nq msvi I v wekvm| m wekvm KiZ i Ki GB
Mw, GB wRwi _K Zvi gyw bB| GUvB Zvi wbqwZ|
nw wk wekvj`nx c~Yv nvwZZ cwiYZ nIqvi ciI wkKj w`q
ZvK QvMj euvavi LuywUi mv_ eua ivLjI m Qq dzU eKB Zvi
cw_ex ai bq| hLbB wkKj Uvb co ZLbB m Zvi ei Aviv
fZi cek Ki| v wekvm ZvK ej, Gi Pq Avi Gbvi mva
Zvgvi bB|
GgbwK `Lv MQ, mvKvm gjvq Avb jvMjI nvwZ Zvi wkKj
fO cvjvbvi Pv Ki bv| Avb cyo QvB nq hvq| KviY v
wekvm ZvK mLvbB ùvo Kwiq ivL| hLb Zvi `ni kw w`q GK
Uvb LuywUmn me wKQz Dco djZ cvi, ZLbI m fve, GB Qq dzU
eB Avgvi wbqwZ| Zvi G kLj jvnvi wkKji bq, LuywUi bq| G
kLj nQ gbi|
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Avgvì AevI Zv-B| Avgvì cwZwU gvbyli, cwZwU cwievii

cyiv RvwZi wecyj mvebv, kw I mvg_ _vKv mI msvi, v
wekvm, kvlK I civfeev`xì AvivwcZ wg_v aviYvi kLj Avgiv
wbRìK Mwe I ew` Ki djwQ| gbvRvMwZK `vmZi kLj
fvOZ cvijB Avgiv Avgvì wekvj kwfvviK eenvi KiZ
cviev| e_ _K mdj nev|
ck : gb wbqY K_vUvi gvb Kx? GKUz eywSq ejeb wK?
Di : gbK wbqY Kivi AvM Avgvì Aek gb mK gwjK
aviYv iY ivLv DwPZ| wevbxiv gbK fvM KiQb wZb fvM|
mPZb, AePZb Ges APZb| mPZb gb mewKQyKB wbRi aviYv,
hyw I wekvmi cwZ wePvi-weePbv Ki| wK AePZb gb fvjvg` Kvbv wKQyB wePvi Kivi Pv Ki bv| m h Z_, cwiKbv ev
AvBwWqv cvq, mfveB cfvweZ nq KvR i Ki `q| cfveUv
Avcbvi Rb fvjv nvK ev wZKi m weePbv Ki bv|
fq, va ev wekvm viv Mfxifve ZvwoZ nj hKvbv aibi
cfve AePZb gb mnRB mvov `q| gbi AePZb Ask Avevi
mPZb Aski K_v mnRB kvb| fq, mxgveZv ev fyj wekvmi
ekeZx nq mPZb gb memgq AePZb gbi ìRv e Ki
ivLZ Pvq|
A_P cvi mv_ mPZb gbi hvMvhvMi gvag nQ AePZb
gb| KviY mPZb I APZb gbi gvSLvbB Aevb KiQ AePZb
gb| wevbxiv hvK gbi APZb Ask ej gb Kib, mvaKiv
mUvKB gb Kib gbi gnvPZb Ask| aygv AePZb I
APZbi gvSLvbi ìRv LyjZ cvijB mPZb gb cv ev
gnvPZbi mv_ hvMvhvM vcb mg nq|
Avgiv AvMB RbwQ, AePZb gb fvjv-g` wePvi-weePbv
KiZ cvi bv| Avi AePZb gb Avjv`xbi `Zi gZv KLbI
Ajm em _vKZ cvi bv| Zvi PvB KvR| Avcwb hw` ZvK Avcbvi
KjvY BQvbymvi e bv ivLb Zvnj m Avcbvi cvwicvwkKZv viv
cfvweZ nq KvR Kie| ewkifvM B GB KvRi KuvPvgvj ne
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Avcbvi fq, fxwZ, AcQ`bxq I AevwZ welqmg~n| Lvivc ev fvjv

h welq m cvK bv Kb AePZb gb m wPvK Zvi hywmZ
cwiYwZi w`K GwMq wbq hve|
AePZb gb hnZz fvjvg` wePvi bv KiB cwiZ wPvK
hwK cwiYwZi w`K GwMq wbq hvq, mnZz mvdji Rb Avcwb
Kx Pvb m mK AePZb gbK my I mywbw` wb`k cvVvZ
ne| ZvnjB AePZb gb mB wPv I wb`kK Zvi hwK
cwiYwZi w`K wbq hve|
Avi Avgiv Rvwb, gbi cwZwU KvR Ki `q Avgvì eb| Avi
eb KvR Ki wekl wbqg| mwq Aevq eb _K cwZwbqZ Lye
g`y we`yr Zi wewKwiZ nq| wevbxiv GK ejb, eb Iqf| 1929
mvj Wv. nv evRvi BjKv GbmdjvMvd (BBwR) h viv GB
Iqf ev Zi gvcb| gvbwmK Pvc, mZKZv, ZrciZvg~jK
cwiwwZZ ebi e`ywZK wewKiY eo hvq| ZLb eb Iqfi
wdKvqw ùvovq cwZ mK 14 mvBKj _K 26 mvBKj ch|
GK ejv nq weUv eb Iqf|
PvL e Ki wekvgKvj GKUz Z`v Z`v fve mw nj ebi
e`ywZK ZrciZv Kg hvq| G Aevq eb Iqfi wdKvqw ùvovq
cwZ mK AvU _K 13 mvBKj| GK ejv nq, Avjdv eb
Iqf| w_Uv eb Iqf Avjdvi Pq axi| Gi wdKvqw nQ cwZ
mK Pvi _K mvZ mvBKj|
Gici iqQ Mfxi wb`vKvjxb eb Iqf| Gi wdKvqw nQ
cwZ mK 0.5 _K wZb mvBKj| GK ejv nq Wv eb Iqf|
eb Iqf wdKvqw cwZ mK 27 ev Zvi Ici DV hZ cvi
nVvr DwRZ Aevi dj| GK ejv nq Mvgv eb Iqf|
Avgiv Rvwb wekvg, Z`v ev wb`vKvjxb mgq AePZb gb mePq
mRbkxj _vK I fvjvfve KvR Ki| Avi wekvg ev Z`vKvjxb mgq
`n-gb cyivcywi wkw_j nq wMq eb Iqf bg hvq cwZ mK
13 _K Pvi mvBKj, wevbi cwifvlvq Avjdv/ w_Uv jfj|
GLb hw` Avgiv Kwgfve wkw_jvqbi (Relaxation) gvag
kixi-gb wekvg I Z`vKvjxb Aven mw KiZ cvwi, ZvnjI eb
Iqf bg Avme Avjdv/ w_Uv jfj| Avi eb IqfK Avjdv/
74
w_Uv jfj bvwgq AvbZ cvijB avbvev mw ne| AePZb gbi

Mfxii kwK KvR jvMvbvi c_ ne gy|
Avcwb cek KiZ cvieb gbi AviI Mfxi| mPZb gb hgb
AePZbK h_vh_ wb`k c`vb KiZ I mRbkxjfve KvR jvMvZ
cvie, Zgwb cvie APZb ejqi mv_ hvMvhvM vcb KiZ|
Avi AePZb ZLb mB wb`k ev aviYvK hywmZ cwiYwZi w`K
wbq hvIqvi Rb AbyKj eb wdKvqwZ wbijm KvR bg coe|
kixi-gbK wkw_jvqbi gvag eb IqfK Avjdv jfj wbq
gbi avbvev mwB nQ `wfw cwieZb, gb wbqY, gwWUkb ev
cwiKwZ avbi c_g avc|
ck : gwWUkb Avmj Kx?
Di : wZbwU w`K _K Avgiv gwWUkbK evLv KiZ cvwi :
c_gZ, mPZbfve cwk Ges vqyi wkw_jvqb| mvaviYfve kixi
hLb wkw_j nq ZLb Avgiv APZb nq hvB, Nywgq cwo| gwWUkb
`n wkw_j ne wK PZbv mRvM _vKe, Avcwb mPZb _vKeb|
wZxqZ, Awi gbK wiKiY Ges gbvhvMK myPvM Kiv|
Avgvì gb nq AZxZ wbq AbykvPbv Ki, bv nq fwelr wbq `ywv
Ki, m eZgvb _vKZ Pvq bv, wi _vKZ Pvq bv| Avgvì gbi
Aev nQ AbKUv euvìi gZv|
euvìi mePq wcq Lvevi nQ Kjv| Avcwb GKUv euvìK Lye
Avì Ki GK Kuvw` Kjv w`q ewmq ejb h, euvì fvB, euvì Avcv,
Zzwg em em Kjv LvI| euvì Kx Kie? c_g KjvUv wQuo wbqB m
MvQi Wvj DVe| GK Kvgo Lq AviK Wvj hve| Avi GK Kvgo
Lq Avi GK Wvj hve| `Lv hve Avi GK Wvji mv_ jR
cuwPq m `vjbvi gZv `yjQ|
euvì hiKg GK RvqMvq _vKZ cvi bv Avgvì gbI miKg
wi _vKZ Pvq bv| memgq dzUeji gZv ay jvdvjvwd Ki| Ici
_K co Avevi Ici IV| Avgvì gbK eZgvb wbq Avmv,
A_vr Awi gbK wi Kiv nQ gwWUkbi wZxq ewk| gb wi
njB gbvhvM myPvM nq|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
75
myPvM gbvhvMi kwK Avgiv GKwU D`vniY w`q evSvZ

cvwi| GKL KvMR iv` mvivw`b iL w`jI ZvZ Avb aie bv|
wK GKwU gvMwbdvBs M-vm m~hi AvjvZ ai dvKvm cqUwU
KvMRi Ici djj KqK gyn~ZB ZvZ Avb ai hvq| Zgwb
gbvhvM myPvM nj hKvbv RwUj welqI mnR evSv hvq|
ZZxqZ, AvZwbgMZv| hLb GKRb gvbyl AvZwbgM nq, wbRi
AvZvi mv_, AiZg Avwg-i mv_, field of pure potentialities Gi
mv_ mshy nq ZLbB m cvc~Y A`w jvf Ki| Zvi `w, Zvi
Abyfei ìRv Lyj hvq| m bZzb mZK Abyfe KiZ cvi|
ck : AbKB ejb gwWUkbi cvw Kx Zv GKK_vq eywSq ejZ|
wK GZeo cvw GK K_vq eywSq ejv Kxfve me Zv Avgvi evaMg
nq bv| G mevg Reve Kx nZ cvi?
Di : Avmj gwWUkbi cvw GZ evcK h, Zv GKK_vq eywSq
ejv mwZ KwVb| ZviciI hw` KD RvbZ Pvq Zv ejeb
gwWUkbi mePq eo cvw nQ fvjv _vKv, fvjv AvwQ GB
K_vwU ejZ cviv| Avcwb hw` gwWUkb Kib Zvnj Ai _K
ejZ cvieb h, Avwg fvjv AvwQ|
ck : gwWUkb Ki wK Avgvi mgmvi mgvavb KiZ cviev?
Di : wbqB cvieb| cZKwU mgmvi ga jywKq _vK mgvavbi
exRbZzb mvebv| mdj ewiv mgmvi ga mvebvKB LuyR ei
Kib| wK AvgivmvaviY gvbylivmgmv GjB Ubkb i Ki
`B| mgmv wbq wPv Kwi Mvgv jfj, DwRZ Aevq| dj
mgvavbi c_ Zv LuyR cvB-B bv eis mgmvK Aviv RwUj Ki Zzwj|
Avmj mgmv wbq wPv KiZ ne Avjdv jfj, AvZwbgM
Aevq| gwWUkb wi Aevq ebK eenvi Ki wevbxiv Zvì
wevbi m~ Avwevi KiQb, eemvqxiv KwVb mgmvi mnR mgvavb
LyuR cqQb| hviv wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kib Zvì eb Ges gb wi
_vK, mgmvi fZii mvebvK LyuR ei Ki AvbZ cvib Zviv|
76
ZvB KvqvUvg Avgiv ewj, mgmv + Ubkb = msKU|

Ges mgmv + gwWUkb = mgvavb|
mvaviY gvbyli mgmvi mgvavb bv nIqvi KviY nQ, m mgmv
wbqB ewk fve| mgvavb wbq bq| wbRK m mgmvi Ask Ki
dj| Avi mdj gvbyliv mgmv wbq bq fveb Gi mgvavb wbq|
Zviv mgvavb cq hvb| wbqwgZ gwWUkb KijB Avcwb mgvavb wbq
fveZ wkLeb| mgvavb ewiq Avme|
ck : Avcbvì KvmU jLv _vK Ubkb gywi Rb gwWUkb
(wkw_jvqb)| gwWUkb Kxfve Ubkb _K gyw w`Z cvi?
Di : Avmj mnRfve ejZ Mj, Ubkb Kb nQ? `ywv
KiQb, wecì Kbv KiQb, mRb Ubkb nQ| wPv hw` KiZB
nq `ywvi ìKvi Kx? mywPv Kib| GKRb jvK Qviv wbq
òvQ, GUv Kbv bv Ki Kbv Kib GKRb Mvjvc wbq òvQ
Avcbvi cQb| Avnvi ePviv! AvgvK aiZI cviQ bv, MvjvcUv
w`ZI cviQ bv! Kbv KijB Zv gb kvw Gm hvq|
wkw_jvqb Avgiv GB myì myì wPvB KiwQ| ZvB Ubkb Pj
hvQ| Ubkbi evcvi bexRx (m)-Gi GKUv nv`xm GLvb Dj-L|
wZwb ejQb h, DwRZ nj ùvovbv _vKj em co, emv _vKj
q co| Ubkbi cKwZ nQ kvqv gvbylK ùvo Kwiq `qv| ZvB
ùvovbv gvbyl hw` q coZ cvi, Zvi DRbv, Ubkb `~i nq
hve| wkw_jvqb Avgiv Avmj cZKUv KvlK Bq w`B|
Aek Gi evwbK evLvI iqQ| Ubkbi kvixwiK cKvk nQ
dvBU Ai dvBU imc| wevbx IqvjUvi Kvbb Zvi MelYvq
`LQb, Avgiv hLb Kvbv wec`K Abyfe Kwi ZLb nvBcv_vjvgvm
bvg ebi GKUv QvU A ivmvqwbK msKZ hvq| nvBcv_vjvgvm
Avevi Avgvì wm_wUK bvfvm wmgK mwq Ki Zvj|
wm_wUK bvfvm wmg ZLb GwWbvwjb, bvwicvBbdvBb, KwUmj
BZvw` bvbv aibi m nigvb Zwi Ki|
GB m nigvbjv ZLb ii gvag cevwnZ nq Avgvì
`nK cvjvbv ev jovBqi Rb cZ Ki Zvj| r`b `Z nq
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
77
Ges enr cwkjvZ i PjvPj eo hvq| Pvgovi wbP i

KwYKvjv msKzwPZ nq hvZ GwWU nj ewk icvZ bv nq|
PvLi gwY eo nq hvq| ZvB Avgiv fvjv `LZ cvB| e-vW myMvi
eo hvq `n kwi hvMvb `qvi Rb| nRg Ges cRbb gZv
nvm cvq| Mv_ nigvb e nq hvq| ivM cwZiva gZv evnZ
nq| Avi G mejv cwqvB nq hvZ Avgiv Rvi òvZ cvwi ev
jovB KiZ cvwi|
1967 mvj nvfvW gwWKj zji AavcK W. nvevU ebmb Zvi
MelYvq `Ljb AyZ evcvi| hLbB GKRb gvbyl gwWUkb KiQ
ZLb Zvi `n h cwZwqv nQ Zv m Gi cwZwqvi m~Y
wecixZ| gwWUkb wm_wUK bq, AUvbvwgK bvfvm wmgi
cvivwm_wUK ev mwq nq DVQ|
GB evB Avgvì ckv Ki| i GwWbvwjb, bvwicvBbdvBb I
KwUmji cwigvY nvm cvQ| dj bvf I gvsmcwk wkw_j nq DVQ|
gUvewjK iU Kg hvQ| AwRb MnY I nvUweU nvm cvQ| e-vW
ckvi KgQ| `n e_v ev AvNvZi Abyf~wZ nvm cvQ| `ni ivM
cwZiva I wbivgq gZv evoQ| ivMgywi cwqv mwq nq DVQ|
A_vr wkw_jvqb ev gwWUkbi kvixwiK cKvk Ubkbi kvixwiK
cKvki m~Y wecixZ| wkw_j `n Ubkb _vKZ cvi bv|
AavcK ebmb Zvi MelYvi AvjvK 'The Relaxation
Response' bvg GKwU eB jLb, hv A mgqB hyiv e
mjvi cwiYZ nq| nvRvi nvRvi AvgwiKvb Ubkbgywi Rb
gwWUkb PPv i Kib| AvR ch UbkbK gvKvejv Kivi Rb
Gi Pq KvhKi Kvbv cv AvweZ nq wb| AZGe Avcwb
wbtmsKvP Ubkbgywi Rb gwWUkb PPv KiZ cvib|
ck : gwWUkb Kxfve mwVK ewZ weKvk mvnvh KiZ cvi?
Di : gwWUkb Avmj GKRb gvbyli fvjv w`K Ges g` w`K
`yBB eySZ mvnvh Ki| Avi fvjv w`KK weKwkZ Kiv Ges g`
w`KK cwieZbi Rb h fZii ZvwM` _vKv ìKvi GUv GKRb
gvbyl jvf Ki AvZwbgM AevZB|
78
hw` GKRb gvbyl wbqwgZ gwWUkb Ki, Zvi fZi cwieZbi

Ggb GKUv AbyiYb mw nq hv Zvi evBii ewZi cKvk Ges
Abvb mewKQyK AvMvMvov e`j w`Z cvi| Avi KvqvUvg
g_Wi gwWUkb hnZz WvqbvwgK ev mwq ZvB GB gwWUkb
Wvej GKkb|
GB gwWUkb Avgiv AUvmvRkb w`wQ| AUvmvRkb nQ
gw gvMZ cvMvg `qv| Ges hLbB gw gvMZ GKUv cvMvg
cZ _vK ZLb m mB Abymvi KvR i Ki Ges Avwg hv nZ PvB
GB nIqvUv ZLb mnR nq| fZii hZ wav RoZv msKvP fqfxwZGjv Lye mnR Dco djv hvq AUvmvRkbi gvag|
Avcwb ay Qq gvm wbqwgZ PPv Ki `Lyb AUvmvRkb KvR Ki
wK bv| Avcwb wbRB AevK nq hveb, Avcbvi ewZK KZLvwb
e`j w`Z cvi AUvmvRkb Zv `L!
ck : Abvq ev cvc Kij wK gwWUkbi gvag gvd cvIqv hvq?
Di : gvd Kivi gvwjK Avj-vn| wZwb Mvdzii inxg ev gvkxj| h
KvDK wZwb gv KiZ cvib, hw` m AvwiKfve gv Pvq Ges
Acivai cybivew bv Ki|
gwWUkb gvbylK GKvM nZ mvnvh Ki| hLb GKRb gvbyl
AvZwbgM nq ZLbB Zvi ga AbykvPbvUv fZi _K Avm| gv
cvIqvi Rb GB fZii AbykvPbvUvB ìKvi|
ck : PZbvi QqwU gvv Kx Kx? GB QqwU gvv cyivcywi Avq Kiv
Kxfve me?
Di : PZbvi c_g gvv nQ RvMwZ| wZxq gvv wb`v| ZZxq gvv
^c| PZz_ gvv AwZPZbv| cg gvv Ab PZbv| l gvv nQ
GKvZ PZbv Ges GB QqwU gvvB cyivcywi Avq Kiv me| Gi Rb
ìKvi mvabv, Pv|
ck : gwWUkb Ki Kvbv welq wbq wPv Kiv Ges gwWUkb bv
Ki Kvbv welq wbq wPv Kiv wK GK?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Di : Avmj gwWUkbi jfj wMq h wPv Kiv mB wPv

mvaviY jfj wPv Kivi Pq AbK AbK Mfxi| weUv jfj
Avmj wbR^ ^v_ wPvUvB ewk cKU nq| ZvQvov weUv jfj Avgiv
hv wPv Kwi Zv Avgvì cvwicvwkKZv viv cfvweZ| ZvB weUv jfj
mZK Dcjw Kiv me nq bv| wevb ejb, wk ejb, mvwnZ
ejb, hv wKQy mRbkxj, hv wKQy KjvYKi mewKQy gvbyl Avwevi
KiQ hLb m AvZwbgM nqQ|
hLb GKRb gvbyl wKQy mgq evBii cwiek _K wbRK gy
Ki Vvv gv_vq wPv Ki ZLb Zvi Rxeb`wZ mB wPvi, mB
fvebvi Mfxi Qvc co| Zvi Rxeb`w cwiewZZ nq|
hyM hyM hviv cw_exK cfvweZ KiQb, BwZnvmi euvK cwieZb
KiQb Zviv KD wgwQj KiZ KiZ, fvOPzi KiZ KiZ, RvjvI
cvovI KiZ KiZ, wR`vev` gy`vev` KiZ KiZ cwieZb Kib
wb| KviY fZi _K cwieZb bv Gj Rvi Ki evBi _K
cwieZb Avbv hvq bv|
cwieZb memgq Avm bxie gyn~Z, avbi i| hLb GKRb gvbyl
AvZwbgM nq, wbRi AvZvi mv_, AiZg Avwgi mv_, field of
pure potentialities-Gi mv_ mshy nq ZLbB m cvc~Y A`w
jvf Ki| Zvi `w, Zvi Abyfei ìRv Lyj hvq| m bZzb mZK
Abyfe KiZ cvi|
BwZnvmi w`K ZvKvb, nhiZ Bevnxg (Av) AvZwbgM njb| Zuvi
gb ck RvMjvK Avgvi mv? GKw`b, `yBw`b, wZbw`b, Pviw`b
cuvPw`bwZwb Zuvi cki Di cjb Ges mB bZzb vb Zuvi
Abymvixì gvS cPvi Kijb|
nhiZ gymv (Av) wmbvB cvnvo Pj Mjb, AvZwbgM njb| mvi
mv_ Zuvi K_v njv| mvi evYx jvf Kijb Ges mB evYx wbq Gm
wZwb Zuvi mc`vqK divDbi nvZ _K gy Kijb|
whwL ev nhiZ Cmv (Av) gvS gvS cvnvo Pj hZb|
AvZwbgM nZb Ges mvi evYx Gb gvbyli gvS, Abymvixì gvS
cPvi KiZb| Avgvì gywb-Fwliv Zcveb Pj hZb, wngvjq Pj
hZb, mvabv KiZb| wmwjvf Ki Avevi jvKvjq Gm gvbyli
KjvY wbRK wbew`Z KiZb|
80
gnvgwZ ey Ak ei wbP eQii ci eQi avbgM _vKjb,

Zvici evwa jvf Kijb| imyjyj-vn (m) niv nvq eQii ci eQi
avbgM _vKjb, Zvici wZwb beyIqvZ jvf Kijb| AZGe
gwWUkb wPv Avi gwWUkb bv Ki wPv KLbvB GK bq|
Avmj gwWUwUf jfj wPv Avi mvaviY jfj wPv G `yqi
ga cv_KK Avgiv GKUv cwiwPZ D`vniY w`q eySZ cvwi| Avgiv
Rvwb, wevbx wbDUb Kxfve gvavKlY kwi AwZi K_v eySZ
cvib| GKw`b wZwb Avcj MvQi wbP gwWUkb emwQjb| Ggb
mgq GKUv Avcj wbP cojv| Zvi gb ck RvMjv, AvcjUv wbP
Kb cojv? Ici Kb DVjv bv? Mfxi fvebvq gM njb wZwb|
Avwevi Kijb j Ad MvwfUkb|
Avgvì c~e-cyiliv wK MvQ _K Avg coZ `Lb wb? `LQb,
`Lvi mv_ mv_ Kx KiQb? Gw`K-Iw`K ZvwKqQb| ò wMq
AvgUvK aiQb| Qywi w`q wQjQb| Svj-gwiP, jeY jvwMqQb|
Lq djQb| Kb? KviY Zviv `LQb weUv jfj| `Lvi mv_
mv_ wRf cvwb Pj AvmQ| Avn&! Kx myì Avg GKUv cojv| wK
wbDUb `LwQjb AvZwbgM Aevq| GKB dj cov _K KD dj
Lvq, Avi KD evwbK m~ Avwevi Ki| GUvB nQ Avjdv Ges
weUv jfji ga ZdvZ|
ck : Nyg Avi wkw_jvqb wK GK Acii cwic~iK? w`bi ejv Nygi
cwieZ wK Kvbv wbw` mgq wkw_jvqb Kij w`bi ejvq Nyg
cqvRb ne bv?
Di : Avmj GKRb gvbyl w`bi ejvq Nygi mgq Kxfve cvq Avwg
GUvB eywS bv| Rxeb Zv GKUvB| Avcwb Nywgq Nywgq hw` eq Ki
djb Zv RxebK DcfvM Kieb Kxfve? GgwbB Zv ivZ AvU
Nv NygvQb| Avcbvi 60 eQi Avqy nj 20 eQi NywgqB KvUvjb,
Rxebi GK ZZxqvsk NygB Pj Mj| ZviciI Avevi `ycyii Nygi
Kx cqvRb?
wkw_jvqb ay w`bi Nyg bq, Avcbvi ivZi Nygi cqvRbKI
Kwgq è| KviY AbK weePbvZB wkw_jvqb Nygi Pq ewk
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
6-
81
DcKvix| hgb Ubkb ev `ywv Kij Avgvì i jvKUU bvgK

wZKviK Uwbi cwigvY ew cvq| wevbxiv MelYvq `LQb, Nyg
Aevq i jvKUU h cwigvY Kg, wkw_jvqb Kg Zvi Pvi Y|
A_vr jvKUUi cwigvY nvmi Avav Nv gwWUkb `yB Nv
Nygi mgvb DcKvix|
BDwbfvwmwU Ad KUvwKi evqvjwRi cdmi W. em Inviv GK`j
KjR QvQvxK wbq MelYv cwiPvjbv Kib| GB MelYvq
QvQvxì wZbwU `j fvM Ki Zvì GK`jK gwWUkb Kivbv
nq, Ab`jK NygvZ ejv nq Ges ZZxq `jK wUwf `Lvbv nq|
Gici Zvì ejv nq GKUv wbw` wb evwZ Rj IVvi mv_ mv_
GKwU wbw` evZvg Pvc w`Z| `Lv Mj, mePq `ZZvi mv_
evZvg Pvc w`Z ciQ hviv gwWUkb KiQ Zviv| m Zzjbvq
hviv Nywgq wQjv Zvì ZrciZv wQjv ek axi| A_vr Nygi Pq
gwWUkbi ci gwi mg^q I ZrciZv ewk _vK|
ZvB Avgiv ewj, Avcbvi myweavRbK mgq AvavNv Ki gvU GK
Nv gwWUkb Kib| GZ Avcwb Pvi Nv Nygi mgvb DcKvi
cveb| Avi Pvi Nv Nygveb| Pvi Nv Nyg, GK Nv gwWUkb mgvb
AvU Nv Nygi DcKvi| Rxeb _K Aviv wZb Nv mgq ewiq Gjv
KvR Kivi Rb| Aek nVvr Ki Avcwb Nygi cwigvY KgvZ cvieb
bv| axi axi KgvZ ne|
gwWUkbi cwZ I cwqv

ck : gwWUkbi cwiek, cvkvK BZvw` cvwicvwkK cwZ mK
wKQy ejeb Kx?
Di : gwWUkbi mgq nvjKv Avjv _vKe| chv evZvm _vKe|
KLbv AKvi ig gwWUkb Kieb bv| ivZ hLb gwWUkb
Kieb memgq nvjKv Avjv Rvwjq Kieb| GKUz hw` nvZ gyL ayq
bb ev Vvv cvwbi SvcUv gyL w`q bb Zv Lye fvjv ne| GQvov
wXjXvjv Avivg`vqK cvkvK cieb Ges Pkgv Lyj beb|
82
ck : gwWUkb q, em ev Kxfve Kij mePq fvjv ne?

Di : gwWUkb Avcwb q, Pqvi em ev gSZ em A_vr
hfve KiZ ^vQ` eva Kib mfveB Kieb|
gwWUkb KiZ KiZ Nywgq coZ PvBj A_ev wekl Kvbv
mgmv _vKj q gwWUkb KiZ cvib| m k weQvbvq
gv`yi ev cvZjv KvcU wewQq q cob| cqvRb gv_vi wbP GKwU
cvZjv evwjk w`Z cvib| kvqvi ci nvZ _vKe `ni `ycvk,
nvZi Zvjy _vKe Icii w`K| `ycvqi gvSLvb AZ Pvi AvOyj
duvK _vKe| Ze q Kij Nywgq covi mvebv ewk|
mvaviYfve Pqvi em KivUvB fvjv| KviY Zvnj gi` Lvov
_vKe, Avcwb mPZb _vKeb, Nywgq coeb bv| dj avbi kwK
cyivcywi KvR jvMvZ cvieb| cvPxb wgkixqiv Pvi nvRvi eQi AvM
Pqvi em gwWUkb KiZb| Pqvi hLb emeb `yB cv gvwUZ
jM _vKe| `yB cvqi gvSLvb Qq _K AvU AvOyj cwigvY duvK
_vKe| `yB nvZ `yB nuvUzi Ici _vKe| Ze gi` mvRv _vKjI
k _vKe bv|
ck : eRvmb ev MvgyLvmb wkw_jvqb ev gwWUkb Kiv hve Kx?
Di : hviv hvMi wewfb Avmb Rvbbcvmb, myLvmb, MvgyLvmb,
wmvmb BZvw` hKvbv Avmb em gwWUkb KiZ cvib| eRvmb
GZY em _vKZ hw` Amyweav bv nq Zvnj KiZ cvib|
MvgyLvmbI hw` Af nq hvb, gwWUkb KiZ cvib| hviv bvgvR
cob RvqbvgvR hfve emb mfveB gwWUkb KiZ cvib|
ck : gwWUkb Kivi c_g wbqg wnme Rvwb h, Pqvi em Kij
gi` mvRv Ki gvwUZ cv iL KiZ ne| wK AbK ej
cvKwUm nq hvIqvi ci `nfw Kvbv evcvi bv| Avmj wK ZvB?
Di : `nfw memgqB evcvi| Avgvì AwaKvski mgmv nQ
Avgiv hLb gb Kwi Avgiv GcvU nq MwQ, ZLb fvwe GLb Avi
wbqg Avgvi Rb chvR bq| GB `wfwUv wVK bq| hgb bvgvRi
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
83
wbqg AvQ| Avcwb hw` gb Kib c_gw`K wbqggZv coev, Gici

Avi jvMe bv, Zvnj ne bv| bvgvR c_g hfve ùvovZ ne
hZw`b euP AvQb ZZw`b HfveB ùvovZ ne| miKg gwWUkb
hfve c_g Avcwb i KiQb, hZw`b euP AvQb ZZw`b mfve
KiZ ne, hw` kvixwiK Kvbv mgmv bv nq| Avi gwWUkb wbqwgZ
Kij kvixwiK mgmv GgwbZB Kg ne|
ck : AbK mgq gi` mvRv Ki gwWUkb KijI kl wbRK
Avwevi Kwi, gi` ek euvKv nq em AvwQ|
Di : hw` gwWUkbi gvSLvb eySZ cvib h, gv_v SzuK MQ
mPZbfve mvRv neb| hvì gi` ewk euvKv nq hvq Zviv
MvgyLvmb Kieb| hZ MvgyLvmb Kieb ZZ gi` mvRv _vKe|
`g
ck : kvm Gi Pq ckvm GKUz ewk mgq bqvi wK Kvbv evwbK
evLv AvQ? _vKj AbyMn Ki Rvbveb|
Di : GUv Lye mnR| `g bqvi mgq Avgiv AwRb MnY Kwi Ges
`g Qvovi mgq kixii Rb wZKi Kveb-WvB-AvBW ei Ki
`B| Avgiv hLb ckvm ewk mgq wbwQ ZLb fZii h Kveb-WvBAvBW GUv ewk cwigvY ewiq hvQ| GUvB evLv|
ck : wkw_jvqbi Dk hw` PZbvK DxweZ Kiv nq Zvnj eyK
dzwjq kvm wbZ Amyweav wK?
Di : eyK dzwjq kvm nQ `nK DxweZ Kivi Rb, PZbvK
bq| wkw_jvqb Avgiv `nK wkw_j KiZ PvB| Gmgq `n
AwRbi cqvRb nvm cvq| `g bqvi mgq cU dzjj dzmdzm Kg
mcmvwiZ nq| `n AwRb MnYi cwigvY nvm cvq| ZvB
wkw_jvqbi mgq Avgiv cU dzwjq `g bB|
84
ck : gwWUkb PjvKvj eyK fi `g wbZ cvwi bv, bvK e _vK|

Di : bvK e _vKj Zv wPwKrmv KiZ ne| nvjKv aibi bvK e
nj wbqwgZ KvqvUvg evqvg Kij Zv fvjv nq hve| wK GUv hw`
ewkw`b ai _vK Zvnj wPwKrmKi civgk Abyhvqx eev bqv
DwPZ| mvaviYfve mvBbymvBwUmi Rb bvK e nZ cvi, Avevi
cwjc&mi Rb nZ cvi|
hw` mvBbymvBwUmi Rb nq Zvnj KvqvUvg evqvgi mv_ mv_
ivZ kvqvi mgq Ges fviejv RvMvi mv_ mv_ Mig cvwb w`q
MvMj Kij bvK cwivi nq hve| Avi cwjc nj wekli civgk
wbZ ne|
gbi evwo
ck : gbi evwoi evcviwU GLbv Avgvi KvQ mwVKfve evaMg nq
wb| welqwU Aviv evLv Kij DcKZ nev|
Di : Avmj gbi mRbkxj I Dvebx gZvi mevg cqvM Avcwb
ZLbB KiZ cvieb hLb gb mKj cKvi wPv _K gy nq ckv I
Avbw`Z _vKe| GB RbB gbi evwo|
ZvB gbi evwo Zwi Kieb Ggb Kv_vI h RvqMvUv Avcbvi Lye
cQ`| nqZv Kv_vI eovZ wMq mLvbKvi cvKwZK cwiek `L
Avcbvi gb Lye fvjv nq wMqwQjv| mLvb Avcwb gbi evwo evwbq
wbZ cvib| A_ev wUwfZ ev cvvi `Lv Avcbvi Kvbv wcq vb
ev Kvbv KvwbK RvqMvZI Avcwb gbi evwo evwbq wbZ cvib|
cvnvo-ceZ, b`-b`x, mgy`, Rj hv AvcbvK Avb` `q mewKQy
wgwjq gbi gZv Ki gbi evwoi cwigj mw Kib|
Zgwbfve `k-we`k h evwoUv Avcbvi cQ` mUvKB gbi
evwo evwbq wbb| hw` Kvbv evwoB cQ` bv nq Zvnj KvwbKfve
evwo Zwi Ki wbZ cvib| A_vr g~j j nQ gbK Ggb GK
RvqMvq wbq hvIqv, h RvqMvUvK gb Lye cQ` Ki| GKRb gvbyl
mvivw`b KvR Kg Ki hLb evwoZ di ZLb m hgb ckvw Abyfe
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
85
Ki, GK aibi wbqZv Abyfe Ki, gbi evwoZI gb hb Zgwb

ckv, Avb`vQj nq IV|
gbi evwo hvIqvi c_ Avjdv kb iqQ| Avjdv kb nQ
gw Avjdv Iqf mw nIqv| hiKg Avgiv Kv_vI hZ PvBj
evm ev ij kb wMq DwV miKg gw Avjdv Iqf mw nj
gb ckv nq| Zvici gbi Aviv Mfxi i ceki icKB nQ
gbi evwo|
gbi evwoZ GKwU ìevi K _vKe| ìevi KUv ek eomo
Ki evbveb| ìevi Ki Wvbw`K GKUv c_ _vKe, mUv w`q
wbivgq K hvIqv hve| ìevi Ki evgw`K _vKe Kgv
mUvi hvIqvi c_|
gbi evwoZ cqvRb Abymvi Aviv hZ iKg K hvM KiZ Pvb
KiZ cvib| hviv msMxZ PPv Kib mLvb GKUv iqvRK evwbq
wbb| hviv Awfbq Kib Zviv GKUv Awfbqi g evwbq wbb|
Kviv Kviv gb nZ cvi h, GZ myì evwo evbvjvg| ^vgx, x,
mvb, wcqRb mevBK ev` w`q GKv co _vKev? GKv _vKvi
cqvRb bB| Avcwb hvK BQv ILvb wbq hZ cvib| wMq
`Leb h, mevB AvcbvK IqjKvg nvg, IqjKvg nvg, IqjKvg
nvg KiQ| ay hvi mv_ SMov Kib ZvK wbq hveb bv| Zvnj
`Lv hve ILvb wMqI SMov i nq MQ|
ck : Avjdv kb _K gbi evwoZ hvIqvi Rb Kx Kx hvbevnb
eenvi KiZ cvwi ev Kx Kx Dcvq hvIqv hZ cvi?
Di : Avjdv kb _K gbi evwoZ nuvUZ nuvUZ hZ cvib,
hvì GKUz òvbvi Afvm AvQ, òvZ òvZ Pj hZ
cvib| ejeb h, GLvbI òvZ ne? wiKkv wbq hZ cvib|
ejeb GLvbI wiKkv? cixi gZv Wvbv gj Do Pj hZ cvib|
ejeb cix evKWUW evcvi, AvaywbKKvj cix-Uix wKQy bB|
Zvnj Kx Kieb, ILvb wMqB `Leb h, WvBfvi Avcbvi Rb
Mvwo wbq Acv KiQ| G Mvwo ivvi Ici w`q hZ cvi,
avbZ w`q hZ cvi, Rji Ici w`q hZ cvi, cvwbi Ici
86
w`q hZ cvi, AvKvk w`q hZ cvi| A_vr hfve Avcbvi Lywk

mfve hZ cvib|
ck : wbRi evwoK gbi evwo Kbv KiZ wK Kvbv Amyweav AvQ?
Di : wbRi evwo hw` Avcbvi gbi gZv nq Zvnj wbRi evwoKB
gbi evwo fveZ cvib| Avi hw` fvovevwoZ _vKb Zvnj gbi
gZv GKUv evwo evbvZ `vl Kv_vq? GUv Avcbvi Ici wbfi KiQ|
ck : Avgvi gbi evwo Avwg g`y mvZavivi Sbvi cvk Rji ga
iLwQ| Avwg wK memgq GB evwoZB hvev bvwK GB evwo P KiZ
cviev| Ab cwiekI hZ cviev|
Di : evSv hvQ h, Avcwb fvovwUqvfvovevwoZ _vKb| ZvB evwo
e`jvZ Pvb| hZw`b e`jvZ Pvb e`jvb| evwo, cwigj mewKQy
e`jvZ cvib, Kvbv Amyweav bB| e`jvZ e`jvZ GKUv evwo wVK
nq hve| hUv Avcbvi GKevi gb Mu_ hvq, cQ` nq hvq
mUvZ Avcwb _vKeb|
ck : gbi evwoi ìevi K, wbivgq K, Kgv mUviGme wK
cwieZb Kiv hve? bvwK Gi KvbvUv wbla AvQ?
Di : KvbvUvi Ici wbla bB| BQvgZv e`j beb| Kvbv
Amyweav bB|
ck : gbi evwoi wKQy Ask e`jvZ PvwQ| wK G i Kx Kx ivLev
Zv fve aviYv KiZ cviwQ bv| Zvnj wK AvMi gZvB _vKe?
Di : Avmj hviv cexY Zvì c gbi evwo evbvbv GKUz KwVb,
GKUz KKi| Kb? Zvì bvbviKg hyw KvR Ki| m fwUjkb
ne wK bv, Rvbvjv Kvb w`K w`q Kiev, ìRv Kvb w`K w`q
KievG wbq Zvì AbK wPv| wK hviv bexb Zvì Gme wbq
AZ wPv-fvebv bvB| ìRv bvB ZvZ wK, Rvbvjv w`q XyK hvev|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
87
Zv-I bv _vKj jvd w`q XyK hvev| gbi evwo evbvbv Zvì Rb
Lye mnR Ges Zviv Lye myì myì gbi evwo evwbq dj|
GKevi Kvmi wZxq w`b Kvm XvKvi mgq j KijvgGK
`yi wKkvi Zvi `v`v-bvbvi eqmx wZb-PviRbK gbi evwoi Ici
jKPvi w`Q| `yPviUv k Kvb Mj, KZ~nj njv| wRm Kijvg
h, evev, gbi evwo Kv_vq evbvj?
m GKMvj nm ejjv, iRx, nvqvBU nvDRUv Avgvi Lye cQ`,
nvqvBU nvDRKB Avwg Avgvi gbi evwo KiwQ| A_vr AvgwiKvi
cwmWUi evmfebK m Zvi gbi evwo evwbqQ|
Avcwb hZw`b bv aviYv KiZ cviQb ZZw`b gbi evwo
AvMi gZvB _vKzK| hLbB aviYv Avmeevwo e`j djeb|
ck : K) gwWUkb Kivi mgq gbi evwoZ wMq nuU eovbvi mgq
cvqB cvqi wbP gvwU LuyR cvB bv| gb nq AZj Wye hvwQG
Aevq Kx Kiev?
L) gwWUkbi mgq hv fvwe bv Zv-B `wL| hgb, Avwg fvewQ
b`xZ muvZvi KvUwQ ev Sbvi cvwbZ bgwQ, Gici Avwg Avi cvwb
_K DVZ cvwi bv| Wye hZ _vwK|
M) Avgvi gbi evwo GKUv xci ga evwbqwQjvg| KqKw`b
hver mLvb MjB gb nQ xc cvwb DV GKUv Ask Wye hvQ|
N) Mvwoi ìRv LyjwQ, wK evi evi ìRv e nq hvq| Avwg
MvwoZ DVZ cvwi bv| Aekl nuU gbi evwoZ hvB|
O) Avgvi gbi evwoK wKQyZB eo KiZ cvwi bv| hZeviB eo
Kwi ZZeviB QvU nq hvQ| XyKZ MUi mvgb GKUz Rvj nq
_vK, cwivi KiZ cviwQ bv| GUv wbq Lye Ubkb AvwQ| GUv wK
Avgvi gbi msKxYZv, bv Ab wKQy? GUv wK Kvbv mgmv mw Kie
Avgvi gwWUkb?
P) Avwg wbqwgZ gwWUkb i KiwQ| mgmv njv gbi evwoi
Avkcvki cwimi Achv gb nQ| gbi evwoi GKUv Ask LyeB
A, AKvi, ìRv-Rvbvjv wKQyB bB| Pv KiI Gi mgvavb
KiZ cvwi wb| Kxfve myì cvYe GKUv gbi evwo cZ cvwi?
88
Di : Avcwb Avmj AePZbfve gbi Mfxi hZ PvBQb bv|

Avcbvi fZii Kvbv bwZevPK wPv ev bwZevPK mv Avcbvi
Mfxi hvIqvi c_ evavi mw KiQ, mUvi cKvk NUQ Gfve|
GUv KvUvbvi Dcvq nQ wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kiv Ges AUvmvRkb
`qv h, Avwg Gevi gwWUkb hvev, Mfxi GKvMZvi mv_ gwWUkb
Kiev| cwZwU wRwbm Avwg hfve PvBev mfveB NUe| mPZbfve
hv PvB, AePZb iI ZviB cwZdjb Avwg `LZ cvev| Avgvi
gbi evwo myì _vKe, cwiQb I AvjvwKZ _vKe, Avgvi xc cvwbi
Ici _vKe, BQ Kiv gv Mvwoi ìRv Lyj hve| Avwg Lye
PgrKvifve hZ cviev, _vKZ cviev Ges mg mv wbq Avwg
Avgvi gbi evwoi Avb`K DcfvM KiZ cviev| mB mv_ gbi
wel I gbi evN `~i Kivi gwWUkbjv wKQyw`b PPv Kij Avcwb
DcKZ neb|
ck : hLb Mfxi jfj hvB ZLb kixi SuvwK Lvq Kb?
Di : Avmj SuvwK LvIqvi A_I GKB| Avcwb Mfxi i hZ
PvQb; wK AePZb fq ev Ab Kvbv bwZevPK AveM KvR
KiQ| G Avjdv kb gbi wel ev gbi evN `~i Kivi
gwWUkbjv wKQyw`b PPv Kij G evav `~i nq hve|
ck : gbi evwoZ cuQvbvi ci Avgvi gbi evwoi fZi XyKZ
BQv Ki bv| Avkcvk, evMvb, Rj Nyi eovZ Avi mLvbB
cKwZi gvS avb ev gbQwe `LZ BQv Ki| G Kx KiYxq?
Di : evwo-Ni hw` fvjv bv jvM Rvi Kivi ìKvi bB| RjB
wVK AvQ| So AvmyK, ew AvmyK, Kx Amyweav? ewZ wfReb, iv`
cyoeb| Rj hw` gkv-Ukv _vK Kvgo Lveb| hZw`b ch XyKZ
BQv bv nq XzKeb bv| hLb BQv Kie ZLb XyKeb|
ck : iv gwWUkb Kij gbi evwoZ wMq w`b bv ivZ gb Kiev,
wVK KiZ cvwi bv|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
89
Di : gbi evwoZ memgq ivZ, memgq w`b| Avcbvi hUv fvjv

jvM mUv gb Kieb| hw` ivZ nq evwZ Rvwjq beb| gbi
evwoZ Zv Avi jvWkwWs bB|
ck : gbi evwoi igwUZ Gwm _vKe bv Rvbvjv Lvjv _vKe?
Di : hw` Kvbv Vvv cwiek nq Ges m Vvv hw` Avcbvi Rb
mnbxq nq Zvnj Avcwb Rvbvjv Lvjv ivLZ cvib| Avi hw` Lye
Mig RvqMvZ nq Zvnj mLvb Gwm jvMvbv fvjv| A_vr Gwm
_vKe bv Lvjv Rvbvjv _vKe mUv wbfi KiQ Avcwb Kgb Abyfe
KiQb Zvi Ici|
ck : cZK wRwbmB myì nj Zvi cwZ Avjv`v AvKlY _vK| Avgvi
gbi evwoi me wKQy myì wK Avwg A_vr bvqK hw` wdwRKwj Kvjv
I kixii Mob myì bv nq Zvnj mLvb AvbÙv ev m`h cyivcywi
DcfvM KiZ cvwi bv| GRb Kx Kiev?
Di : ILvb wMq wbRK myì mycyil wnme Kbv Kieb ZvnjB
njv| Avi Kvjv njB wK Amyì nq? Kvjv wK mv`vi PqI
myì nZ cvi| Avevi aeae dmv wK Kvbv m`h bB
Zv-I nZ cvi| myZivs Kvjv ejB wbRK Amyì gb Kivi
Kvbv KviY bB|
ck : gbi evwo wMq Ckii KvQ cv_bv Kiv hvq bv? hgb, n
gjgq Cki Zzwg AvgvK iv Ki|
Di : CkiK WvKvi Rb, fMevbK WvKvi Rb, Avj-vnK WvKvi
Rb gbi evwoi Pq fvjv RvqMv Avi Kv_vI bvB| gbi evwoZ
Avcwb hfve Pvb mfve Ckii KvQ cv_bv KiZ cvib| PvBj
GKUv MxRv Zwi Ki djyb| gwì Zwi Ki djyb| A_ev bvgvRi
Rb GKUv K Zwi Kib| Avcwb hfve myweav eva Kib
mfveB KiZ cvib|
90
AejvKb
ck : gbi evwoZ Mj wKQyB `LZ cvwi bv| me AKvi gb nq|
ZviciI gbQwe ev AUvmvRkb w`wQ| Avj-vni Akl ingZ Zv
eve nQ| wK Avwg Kb mewKQy cwivi `LZ cvB bv?
Di : Avmj cwivi `LZ cjb wK cjb bv ZvZ Kx Avm hvq?
Avcbvi gbQwe hw` eve nq hvq, AUvmvRkb eve nq hvq mUvB
h_| `Lj fvjv, wK bv `LjI Kvbv Amyweav bB hw` Avcbvi
KvR nq hvq| KviY djvdj iZc~Y| Avcwb Lye myì `Ljb wK
eve njv bv| A_vr djvdj bB, ay `Lv njv| Zvi Pq Avcwb
`Ljb bv wK evevwqZ njv GUv AbK fvjv Ges GUvB iZc~Y|
ck : gwWUkbi mgq hLb Kvbv Pnviv A_ev Kvbv jLv ev
Kvbv wKQz Avgvì PvLi mvgb cwivi nQ bvZLb ZvZ Kx
eySev? nqZv Avwg cvYcY PvwQ cwivi nvK|
Di : cvYcY PvIqvi Kvbv ìKvi bB| cwivi nj fvjv, bv nj
Aviv fvjv| KviY cvYcY A_vr Rvi Ki Qwe `Lvi Pv KijB
gv_ve_v Kie| Avmj Avgiv G AbKB wev nq hvB|
Avgiv fvwe AviKRb KZ myì `LQ, Avwg wKQy `LZ cvwQ bv|
A_ev AgyK mw`b Kvm Kijv, GLbB `LZ cvQ, Avwg GZ eQi
ciI `LZ cvwQ bv| Avgvi eva nq gwWUkb nQ bv|
Avmj AejvKb gvb wK ay `Lv bq| c Bw`qi hKvbv
Bw`qhvM Abyfe Kivi bvg nQ AejvKb| hw` ejv nq h, Avg
AejvKb Kib| Avg `Lj AejvKb njv| PvL e, `Lv nq wb,
Avgi NvY cjb, Zv-I AejvKb njv| NvY cvb wb, Avgi ki
Abyf~wZ Abyfe Kijb, AejvKb nq Mj| ki Abyf~wZ nq wb,
Avg h LqwQjb mB ^vÙvK Abyfe KijI AejvKb nq Mj|
Zv-I hw` bv nq Avg kUv h bjb ZvZI AejvKb nq Mj|
ZvB KvqvUvg Avgiv ewj, `Lj fvjv, bv `Lj Aviv fvjv|
`Lj fvjv KviY `Lvi GKUv Avb` AvQ| GB h evwo, GB h
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
91
NiKx myì! Avi bv `Lj Aviv fvjv! KviY `LjB Zv GUvK

wVKVvK Ki ivLZ ne| bv `Lj Kvbv Svgjv bB|
ZvB `LvUv AZvekKxq wKQy bq| ay fveebGB h Avgvi gbi
evwo| GB Zv cvwLUv Do Mj| Avnv! Kx myì dzj, Kx myì M|
fvebvi mv_ mv_ gbUv ckv nq DVe, eb Avjdv jfj Pj
hve| Avmj gwWUkb Kiv ev gwWUwUf jfj hvIqv Lye mnR|
ck : Avgvi AejvKb Kivi gZv GKeviB Kg| Avwg G evcvi
Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : wfRyqvjvBRkb gZv ev AejvKb kw evovbvi Rb wKQy
PPv KiZ cvib| gvK Avcbvi mvgb emvb| fvjv Ki gvi gyLi
w`K ZvwKq `Lyb, Zvici PvL e Ki Zvi Pnviv AejvKb Kivi
Pv Kib| Avevi ZvwKq `Lyb, Avevi PvL e Ki `Lyb| gv-I
Lywk neb h, Avcwb Zvi w`K gbvhvM w`Qb, Avevi Avcbvi
AejvKb gZvI evoe| A_vr Avcbvi wcq gyL hwU, mwUK c_g
AejvKb Kivi Pv Kib| mvgbv-mvgwb bv cj Qwe w`qI PPv
KiZ cvib| hvì AejvKb bq, Abyfe kw hvì GKUz Kg
Zviv GB PPvi gvag wbRi Abyfe kwK Lye PgrKvifve evwoq
wbZ cvib| wKQyw`b PPvi ci `Leb, PvL e Ki hv fveZ
PvQb mUvB Avcwb fveZ cviQb|
ck : Avwg mevBK AejvKb KiZ cvwi| wK wbRK AejvKb
KiZ cvwi bv| Gi KviYUv ejj DcKZ nev|
Di : Avmj Avgiv Avgvì wbRìK mePq Kg `wL| evwK
mevBK Zv memgq `LwQ| wbRK Zv Avqbvq Qvov `LZ cvwQ
bv| G KviY wbRK `Lv Lye KwVb| wbRK `LZ PvBj Avqbvi
mvgb ùvwoq _vKzb| Pvicvk Avqbv ivLyb, hw`K ZvKveb wbRK
`Leb| `Leb wbRK AejvKb Kiv Lye mnR nq MQ|
ck : Avwg `yB gvm gbi evwo `LZvg| GLb Lye Svcmv `wL|
92
Di : Avmj AwiZvUv eo MQ| hLbB GiKg ne 40 w`b wkw_j

cwqvq wkw_jvqb Kieb| hLbB gb ne h, gwWUwUf jfj
AvMi gZv nQ bv, Kgb hb Awi jvMQ, A_ev gwWUkb
emQb, AvM nZv GLb Svcmv nq hvQ ZLb 40 w`b Avevi
wkw_jvqb Kieb| Avevi jfjUv PgrKvi nq hve| GQvov jvgv
KvqvUvqb AvQ| hvìB myhvM _vKe Zvì jvgv KvqvUvqb Ask
bqv DwPZ| gbi AwiZv Kg hve| ckvw evoe| gbi evwo
Avevi ne|
wkw_jvqb
ck : AvZ Dbqbi Rb wbqwgZ Kvb gwWUkb Kiv DwPZ?
Di : AvZ Dbqbi Rb wbqwgZ wkw_j cwqvq wkw_jvqb Kieb|
wkw_jvqb KvmU ev wmwW bîi w`K w`qI c_g, DcKvwiZvi w`K
w`qI c_g|
Avmj Avcwb h aviviB gwWUkb Kib bv Kbmywdavivi nvK,
mbvZb agi nvK, e agi nvK A_ev agwbic nvKwkw_jvqb
nQ mKj gwWUkbi gv| Avgiv ewj wkw_jvqb nQ 1, evwK
gwWUkbjv nQ 0| 1 Gi Wvbcvk Avcwb hZ k~b hvM KiZ
_vKeb ZZ msLvi g~j evoZ _vKe| wK 1 Gi AbycwwZZ
hZwj k~bB _vKzK bv Kb meB g~jnxb| wVKgZv wkw_j nZ bv
cvij gwWUkbi evwK UKwbKjv KvbvUvB KvR Kie bv| ZvB
wbqwgZ wkwLjvqb PPv AZ iZc~Y|
ck : wkw_jvqb Kxfve Kiev?
Di : wbR wbR wkw_jvqb PPvi Rb Avcwb KvqvUvg IqemvBU
_K wkw_jvqbi (wkw_j cwqv) AwWI dvBj WvDbjvW Ki wbZ
cvib| Avcwb ay PvL e Ki mLvb hv hv ejv nq Zv Ki MjB
ne| ZviciI Avcbvi Abykxjbi myweavi Rb Avgiv avc avc
wkw_jvqbi chvqjv AvjvPbv KiwQ|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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nvjKvfve PvL e Kib| I Pnviv KzuPKveb bv| PvLi `yB

cvZvK axi axi GKmv_ jM hZ w`b| PvL e Kivi mv_
mv_B Avcwb Kvbv wKQy `Lv _K weiZ _vKQb Ges mePq mwq
Bw`q PvLK wekvg `qvq Kvbv wKQy `L DwRZ ev wPvM nIqv
_K invB cvQb|
Gevi bvK w`q j^v `g wbb| Av Av gyL w`q `g Qvob| `g
beb wekl cwZZ| eyK dzwjq bq, `g bqvi mv_ axi axi
Avcbvi cUi DcwifvM dzje| Avevi `g Qvovi mgq cUi
DcwifvM Pzcm hve| `g bqv I Qvovi mgq axi axi cUi Icii
Ask IVvbvgv Kie| GK, `yB, wZb, Gfve Y Y Qq _K 10 evi
`g wbb| `g bqvi Pq `g QvoZ mvgvb ewk mgq wbb| `g wbZ
wbZ fveyb, cKwZ _K Adzi cvYkw Avgvi `n cek KiQ|
Avi `g QvoZ QvoZ fveyb kixii mKj `~wlZ c`v_ evZvmi mv_
ewiq hvQ| Gfve Qq _K 10 evi `g bqvi ci `g ^vfvweK
nZ w`b| A_vr `g bvK w`q wbq bvK w`qB QvoZ _vKzb|
Avcbvi PvL eB AvQ| GK gyn~Z gbi PvL bRi eywjq hvb,
gv_vi Zvjy _K cvqi cvZvq| Gevi c_g 10 mK gbvhvM
K`xf~Z Kib gv_vi Zvjyi cwkjvZ| Avcwb gbvhvM `qvi mv_
mv_ Abyfe Kieb mLvb i PjvPj evoQ| mLvb GKUz Mig
Mig jvMQ ev GKUz wkiwki KiQ| Gici Abyfe Kieb, Zvjyi cwk
wkw_j nq AvmQ| fvix nq hvQ|
GKBfve Avcwb chvqg Kcvj, PvL I PvLi cvZv, VuvU I
wRnv, Pvqvj, gyLgj, Mjv, Nvo, Kuva, Wvb nvZ, evg nvZ, eyK, wcV,
gi`, cU, Kvgi, wbZ^, Ei, nuvUz, cv, Mvovwj I cvqi cvZvq
gbvhvM K`xf~Z Kib| ewYZ cwZwU A 5 _K 10 mK Ki
gbvhvM w`b| gbi PvL w`q wbw` A AejvKb Kib|
AejvKbi mv_ mv_ Abyfe Kieb cwZwU A i PjvPj eo
hvQ| cwk wkw_j nq fvix nq AvmQ| (Abykxjb ii AvM Kvb
Ai ci Kvb A gbvhvM K`xf~Z Kieb Zv KqKevi co
gyL Ki djyb| Zvnj Abykxjbi mgq Kvbv Amyweav ne bv)
Avcwb hLb gv_v _K gbvhvM K`xf~Z Ki cvqi cvZv ch
bvgZ _vKeb, ZLb Abyfe Kib h, eidMjv cvwb hgb eidi Mv
94
eq wbPi w`K bvg, Zgwb wkw_jZv mvZi gZv Avcbvi Mv eq

gv_v _K cvqi w`K bg hvQ|
fveyb Avcbvi A wkw_j I wbvY nq AvmQ| Gevi Avevi cuvP
evi bvK w`q axi axi `g wbq ek mgq wbq axi axi bvK w`q
`g Qvob| `g bqvi Pq Qvovi Rb mgq GKUz ewk wbb| Gici
kvm-ckvm ^vfvweK nZ w`b|
Gevi gbvhvM K`xf~Z Kib `gi Ici| evZvm Kxfve bvK
w`q XyKQ Zv Abyfe I gbi PvL AejvKb Kib| Abyfe I
AejvKb Kib evZvm Kxfve dzmdzmi cwZwU Kvl cek Ki
Avevi ewiq AvmQ| `gi Avmv-hvIqvi Ici Avcbvi gbvhvM
w`b| evZvm ^vfvweK hvIqv-Avmv Kie, Avcwb ay `gi cwZ Lqvj
ivLyb| (GK _K `yB wgwbU Avcwb `g AejvKb Kib) Gici Abyfe
Kib Avcbvi kixi fvix jvMZ i KiQ|
Avcwb Gevi mPZb nvb gvavKlY kw mK| Kxfve
gvavKlY kw Avcbvi kixiK wbPi w`K UvbQ Zv Abyfe Kib|
wbRi IRb Abyfe Kib| Abyfe Kib gv_vi IRb| Kuva eyK wbZ^
nvZ cvqi IRb eo MQ Zv Lqvj Kib| Abyfe Kib Zv fvix
nZ nZ Ro c`v_ cwiYZ nQ| Abyfe Kib `ni Re Kvljv
Avi Re Kvl bB, cwiYZ nqQ evjyKYvq|
Abyfe Kib Avcbvi mviv `n GLb evjyKYvq cwiYZ nqQ|
Gevi Abyfe I AejvKb Kib Avcbvi kixii cwZwU A _K
evjyKYvjv Si coZ i KiQ| AvOyj nvZ cv eyK cU Eime
evjyi gZv Si Si co hvQ| Avcwb cwiYZ nQb GK evjyi
~c| hZ fve me Kbv Kib h, Avcbvi cyiv kixi m~
evjyKYvi ~c icvwiZ nq gSZ co AvQ|
Avcwb GLb m~ evjyKYvi ~c| GLb Avcwb Abyfe Kib Di w`K
_K Vvv evZvm AvmQ| evZvmi eM Av Av evoQ| evZvm
Soi ic wbQ Avi Avcbvi kixii Aewkvsk wnme h
evjyKYvjv iqQ So Zv Dwoq wbq Pviw`K Qwoq w`Q| Avcbvi
kixi ejZ Avi wKQyB bB| Avcbvi ejZ GLb iqQ ay Avcbvi
PZbv, Avcbvi gb|
Avcwb GLb cwic~Yic wkw_j| wkw_jvqbi Mfxi i cuQ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
95
MQb Avcwb| Avcbvi eb wdKvqw weUv i _K bg MQ

Avjdvq| gbi evwoi c_ GLb Avcwb Avjdv kb Gm
cuQQb| GB kb Avcbvi Rb iqQ wekl IqwUs ig|
Gevi gb gb ejyb, Avjdv kb _K GLb Avwg Aviv Mfxi
gbi evwoZ cek KiZ hvwQ| Avwg hZY gbi evwoZ _vKev,
ZZY evBii hKvbv AcqvRbxq k Avgvi gbvhvM Aviv Mfxi
ne| Ze Avb, f~wgK ev Kvbv wecbK ev Riwi cwiwwZ mw
nj Avwg hZ Mfxi jfjB _vwK bv Kb, gyn~Z cyivcywi RM
DVev Ges cwiwwZ gvKvejvq `Z KvhKi eev MnY Kiev|
Avjdv kb _K gbi evwoZ ceki Rb Gevi wekl
KvDU WvDb i Kib| 19 _K 0 MYbvi ci Avcwb Avjvi c_
w`q cuQ hveb gbi evwoZ| 19 DPviYi mv_ mv_ Avcwb
Kbvq AejvKb Kib kxZj bxj w Avjv ewlZ nQ Avcbvi
Ici| Avjvq Avcwb AeMvnb KiQb| Avjvi GK `xN c_ iwPZ
nqQ Avcbvi Rb| Avi m c_ cuQ MQ gbi Mfxi i|
Avcwb 18, 17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11 DPviY Kib| Gevi
gb gb ejyb, Avjvi c_ w`q Avwg cuQ hvwQ gbi Mfxi _K
Mfxi| Avevi 10, 9, 8, 7, 6| gb gb ejyb, Mfxi _K Mfxi
cuQ hvwQ Avwg| 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 DPviY Kib| gb gb ejyb,
Avwg cuQ MwQ gbi evwoZ| Abyfe Kib GK Abvwej ckvw|
gbi evwoZ cuQvi ci Avcwb c_g cvwicvwkK cvKwZK `kvewj
DcfvM Kib| dzji myevm, cvZvi is, cvwLi KjZvb, Sbvi k ev
mgyì Zi, AvKvk gNi fjv, hv hv `LZ cvb me LyuwUq LywuUq
`Lyb, k Kib, Abyfe Kib|
Gevi gbi evwoi ìevi Avivg Ki emyb| (c_gevi gwWUkb
Kivi mgq Avjdv kb I gbi evwo evbveb)
gbi evwo PZbvi GK kwkvjx i| G i cuQvi mv_ mv_
gb `ni cwZiv I wbivgq eevK ^qswqfve ivMgywi KvR
wbqvwRZ Ki| G i gb hKvbv KjvYgyLx cwiKbv evevqb
ebK cyivcywi KvR jvMvZ cvi| gbi evwoZ Avcbvi hKvbv
AUvmvRkb gw mnRB MnY Ki|
96
Gevi fwelZi Kvhgi Rb wbRK cZ Kib| gb gb

ejyb, fwelZ wkw_jvqbi Dk hLbB Avwg PvL e Ki
Avivg! Avivg! Avivg! DPviY Kiev ZLbB Avgvi `n-gbi mKj
AcqvRbxq ZrciZv e nq hve Ges Avwg cwic~Y wkw_j nq
hvev| hLbB Gici 19 _K 0 MYbv Kiev ZLbB gbi evwoZ
cuQ hvev|
Gici gbK AviI wKQy BwZevPK AUvmvRkb w`Z cvib|
hgbgb gb ejZ cvib, GLb _K Avgvi wZkw evoe|
AvZwekvm I mvnm evoe| Avgvi gbvhvM evoe| Avgvi kixi I gb
memgq my _vKe| Ag~jK fqfxwZ I bwZevPK wPv ev bwZevPK
K_vi cfve I cwZwqv _K Avgvi gb I gw cyivcywi gy _vKe|
BwZevPK wPv Avgvi Rb KjvY eq Avbe| Avwg hv PvB BwZevPK
wPv w`q Zv cvev| cwZw`b Avwg mew`K w`q fvjv nwQ, jvfevb
nwQ, mdj nwQ|
AUvmvRkbi Avcwb Avcbvi gbv`wnK ev cvwicvwkK
cqvRb Abymvi hKvbv BwZevPK K_v mshvRb KiZ cvib|
cQ`mB AUvmvRkb wbgvY Rxeb e`ji PvweKvwV AUvmvRkb
eB-Gi mvnvh wbZ cvib| Avcbvi DPvwiZ cwZwU AiB GLb
kwZ cwiYZ ne|
Gici Avcwb mgq wbq gbQwe ev Abvb hv Kivi cqvRb Zv
KiZ cvib| Gici ek KqKevi gb gb ejyb, my `n ckv gb
Kge myLx Rxeb|
Gevi RM IVvi cvjv| AvcbvK GLb gbi evwo _K eve
wdi AvmZ ne| c_g j^v `g wbb| gb gb ev AvIqvR Ki ejyb,
0 _K 7 Y Avwg PvL gj ZvKvev, Avwg cyivcywi RM DVev,
c~Y mPZb Aevq kvixwiK I gvbwmKfve cyivcywi mRxe Drdzj- I
ZiZvRv Abyfe Kiev|
Gevi MYbv i Kib| 0, 1| Abyfe Kib Do hvIqv
evjyKYvjv Pvicvk _K Gm Avcbvi kixi MVb KiQ| 2, 3| j^v
`g wbb| Abyfe Kib evjyKYvjv cvYe ReKvl cwiYZ nqQ|
4, 5| Avevi j^v `g wbb| gb gb ejyb, 7 Y Avwg PvL gj
ZvKvev, Avwg cyivcywi RM DVev, c~Y mPZb Aevq kvixwiK I
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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97
gvbwmKfve cyivcywi mRxe Drdzj- I ZiZvRv Abyfe Kiev| 6, 7|

Gevi PvL gjyb| gv_v I Nvo bvob| cv Uvb Uvb Kib| nvZ bvob|
Av Av DV emyb ev ùvovb| Rvi ejyb, ek fvjv jvMQ| ek
ek fvjv jvMQ|
wbqwgZ wkw_jvqb Kij Avcbvi kixi gb Avcbvi msKZi mv_
m nq ^Zt~Z mvov è (Condition reflex response)|
GKmgq `Leb wkw_j nIqvi Rb GZ j^v wbqg cvjb Kivi
cqvRbB nQ bv| ay PvL e Ki KqKevi j^v `g wbq Ges 1/2
wgwbU `g AejvKb Ki Avivg Avivg Avivg DPviYi mv_ mv_
Avcbvi `n-gbi mKj AcqvRbxq ZrciZv e nq hve, Avcwb
cwic~Yic wkw_j nq hveb Ges 19 _K 0 MYbvi mv_ mv_ gbi
Mfxi i gbi evwoZ cuQ hveb| Ze hZY ch kixi-gb
Avcbvi msKZi mv_ m bv nQ ZZY ah ai cwZwU avc
AbymiY Ki wkw_jvqb Ki hvb|
wkw_jvqb i Kivi Rb wbqwgZ w`b `yB evi Ki 40 w`b PPvi
Kgm~wP wbb| KviY gwWUkb jfj cuQZ cvijB Gi cieZx
m~jv KvhKixfve cqvM KiZ cvieb|
wevwiZ wbixvq `Lv MQ, wbR wbR GB cwqv Aej^b Ki
hKvbv eqmi GKRb wkw_jvqb KiZ cvib| KD 10/15 w`bi
gaB wkw_jvqb i Ki djZ cvib, Kviv nqZv ev wbR wbR
i KiZ wbqwgZ 2/3 gvm PPvi cqvRb nZ cvi|
ck : wkw_jvqb KvmU myii fyeb nvwiq hvevi mgq Kx Kbv
Kiev?
Di : Lye myì ck| hLb myi evRZ _vKe Avcwb fveyb Avcwb
GKUv cRvcwZ| PgrKvi evMvb GK dzj _K AviK dzj Do
eovQb| A_vr hv Kbv KiZ Avcbvi fvjv jvM Zv-B Kbv
Kieb|
ck : wkw_jvqb KiZ wMq Zv ay Nygfve Qvov Avi Kvbv Abyf~wZ
cjvg bv| Ze wK Avjdv jfj cuQvbv me bv?
98
Di : GKevi gwWUkb Ki Zv Avi gwWUkb evSv me bq|

Kvm Ki wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kiv Avi Kvm bv Ki gvS gvS
gwWUkb Kivi ga cv_K GLvb| Nygfve Avi gwWUkbi ga
cv_K eySeb hLb Avcwb Pvi w`bi Kvm Ki gwWUkb `Zv
ARb Kieb A_ev `xN w`b Abykxjb Ki gwWUkb Avq Kieb|
ck : GK gvm ev 40 w`b wkw_jvqb GKUvbv KiZ wMq gb nwQjv
gbi mv_ kixiI GZv wkw_j nq hvQ h, mewKQyZB wSgywbfve|
G _K gyw cvev Kxfve?
Di : wkw_jvqb gvbylK Pvv Ki, Zvi ga KLbv Mv-Qvov fve Gb
`q bv| Mv-Qvov fve GjB eySZ ne h, Avcwb kvixwiKfve `yej|
Ges GB `yejZv `~i Kivi Rb AvcbvK cywKi Lvevi LZ ne,
evqvg KiZ ne|
ck : Avwg hLb gwWUkb Lye gM nB, Avcbvi mv_ ing ejq
cv_bv Kwi, ZLb Lye fvjv jvM wK gwWUkb kl nj Lye gv_v
Nvivq Ges Nv `yqK Lye `yej jvM, wK Lye kvw jvM| `yejZv
hve Kxfve?
Di : Gi KviY nQ kvixwiK `yejZv| gwWUkbi Mfxi jfj
hZI wK kwi cqvRb nq| ZvB kvixwiKfve `yej _vKj Mfxi
jfj hvIqvi ci wKQyY `yej jvM| Gi Rb wfUvwgb LZ ne|
kvKmewR I dj LZ ne| h FZzZ h kvKmewR I dj ewk
cvIqv hvq mB kvKmewR I dj ewk Ki Lveb|
AUvmvRkb
ck : AUvmvRkb ev cZqb Kx? Kxfve GwU KvR Ki?
Di : AUvmvRkb nQ BwZevPK ki mwjb MwVZ evKgvjv|
k ev K_v GK cP kw| agxq gZ mwi i nQ k| Bmjvg ag
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
99
Abymvi Avj-vn Zvqvjv mw KiZ PvBjb| wZwb ejjb, Kzb&nI,

nq Mj| mbvZb ag Abymviev mw KiZ BQyK njb| wZwb
IsKvi awb w`jb, GB wekev mw nq Mj| mw mK wevbi
mekl gZev` nQ mwi iZ GKwU weMevs ev gnvweviY
NUwQjv| GB weviYI wK k| Zvnj Avgiv `LwQ ag I
wevb`yB AbymviB mwi iZ iqQ k|
Avevi, mwi Mfxi Kx? ei Mfxi Kx? cvYi Mfxi Kx? eK
fvOZ i Kij kl ch Avcwb cveb wewfb cigvYy| Avcbvi `n
h Kvlwj w`q MwVZ m Kvli K` AvQ wWGbG AYy| GB
wWGbG AYyK fvOjI Avcwb cveb Kveb, bvBUvRb, nvBWvRb,
AwRbi cigvYy| cigvYyi fZi XyKj Avcwb cveb wewfb mveGUwgK cvwUKj| KvqvUvg gKvwb ej GB cvwUKjjv GbvwR
A_vr kwic _vKZ cvi, Avevi cvwUKjicI _vKZ cvi|
hKvbv gynyZ cvwUKj _K GbvwR Avevi GbvwR _K cvwUKj
cwiYZ nZ cvi| GB cvwUKj Ges GbvwRi h gaeZx Aev ZvK
ejv nq KvqvUv| Quantitative bundle of energy, GKUv ZiQ
ev `bQ| hgb, Avgiv k wb Kxfve? GKUv Zi mw nq,
mB ZiUv Kvb Gm AvNvZ Ki, dj Avgiv k wb| A_vr Avgiv
`LwQei Mfxi k, cvYi Mfxi k|
Avevi mwi kl Kx? ag ej mwi kl iqQ Bmivwdji wkOvi
sKvi| wKiKg k ne evSvB hvQ| wevb ej GKUv weM v
ne, mewKQy am hve| am Mj Kx ne? k| Zvnj Avgiv `LwQ
mwi iZ k, ei Mfxi k, cvYi Mfxi k, mwi klI
k| GB Rb k GZ kwkvjx|
Avmj k ay eveZvi weeiY `q bv eveZv mwI Ki| k
Kxfve eveZv mw Ki? Qv D`vniY `B| Avcwb KqKevi ZuZzj,
ZuZzj, ZuZzj k DPviY Kib| wKQyYi gaB `Leb gyL jvjv
Pj GmQ| Avcwb ZuZzj `LbI wb| gyLI `b wb| ay ZuZzj k
DPviY KiQb gv| gyLi jvjv wK e| A_vr k ay ei weeiY
`q bv e mw Kivi gZvI ivL|
AUvmvRkb I cZqb Avgiv ki GB BwZevPK gZvK
wbRì KjvY eenvi Kwi| cZqbK wevbxiv ejQb ew
100
BgR cwieZbi cZ I wbqwZ cwZ| gbvwevbxiv Zvì

MelYvq `LQb, mvdji Abyf~wZ wbq Avgiv mdjfve KvR KiZ
wkwL| Avgvì AZxZ mvdji wZ eZgvb cvcU AvZwekvm
hvMvq, dj Avgiv mdjfve KvR KiZ cvwi|
K_v DVZ cvi, h gvbylwU AZxZ ay e_Zvi AwfZvB mq
KiQ m mvdji Abyf~wZ Avbe Kxfve? Dcvq AekB AvQ|
wKwbKvj mvBKvjwRiv MelYv Ki cgvY Ki `wLqQb h,
Avgvì bvfvm wmg Kbv Ges eveZvi ga ZdvZ KiZ cvi
bv| eve NUbvq h eb Iqf mw nq, KvwbK NUbvi I mB
GKB eb Iqf mw nq|
wPv Kib Avcwb hLb wmbgv `LZ hvb ZLb Kx Kib? nqZv
òk UvKv w`q wUKU KU wmbgv nj XyKQb| ILvb wMq
bvwqKvi `ytL `L Ku` eyK fvmvQb| bvwqKv wK GB `ytLi Awfbq
Ki j j UvKv DcvRb KiQ| H Kvbvi Awfbq KiZ wMq h
Zvi KZ wM-mvwib LiP nqQ, m LeiI Avcbvi Rvbv bB| m
wM-mvwib PvL w`q Ku` cqmv DcvRb Kijv Avi Avcwb wM-mvwib
Qvov cqmv w`q Ku` Gjb| Avcwb Zv Rvbb h, Avcwb Awfbq
`LZ wMqQb| ZviciI Avcwb Kuv`Qb Kb? KviY Avcbvi bvfvm
wmg GUvK Awfbq gb KiQ bv, m GUvKB eve gb KiQ|
Avgvì bvfvm wmgi GB ewk nQ wbRK mvdji c_
cwiPvwjZ Kivi eo A| eve mvdji AwfZv bv _vKjI Kbvq
Mfxi cZq wbq wbRK mdj ej fvej, gyL evi evi mvdji
K_v ejj, axi axi Avcbvi ga mvdji Abyf~wZ Zwi ne| GB
mvdji Abyf~wZ eve mvdjK AvKlY Kie| BwZevPK K_vi
AwbwnZ kw GLvbB|
ck : ejv nq Rxeb e`ji PvweKvwV AUvmvRkb| GUv Kxfve
me? wKQy K_v, wKQy k, wKQy evK Kxfve Rxeb GZ eo cwieZb
AvbZ cvi?
Di : AUvmvRkb QvU QvU K_v, k evi evi DPvwiZ nq mw nq
wekvm I kwi GK A AbyiYb hv e`j `q mewKQy| Zwi Ki bZzb
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
101
eveZv| evi evi DPvwiZ BwZevPK k ev K_vi cfve mK

mvaKiv mPZb wQjb Avw`Kvj _KB| cwZwU agB BwZevPK K_v ev
evYxK wekl iZ `qv nqQ| bexRx (m) ejQb, Kviv mv_ `Lv
nj mvjvg wewbgqi ci Kzkj wRm Kij eje, kvKi
Avjnvg`ywjj-vn, ek fvjv AvwQ| Kb ejwQjb, ejj Kx ne, bv
ejj Kx wZ, Gme Avgiv nvRvi eQi aiI evwbKfve eywS wb|
wek kZKi iZ gbvwevbxiv GB fvjv AvwQ ejvi iZ
eySZ i Kijb| divmx gbvwevbx Wv. Gwgj Kvq eve MelYvq
`Ljbfvjv K_v evi evi ejj fvjv wRwbmjvB Zvi w`K AvK
nq| m fvjv nZ _vK| wZwb Zvi wKwbK ivMgywi Rb cqvM
Kijb AUvmvRkb| 1910 _K 1926 mvj ch gvBMb, gv_ve_v,
evZe_v, GRgv, cvivjvBwmm, ZvZjvwg, wUDgvi, MvwK, Avjmvi,
Awb`v _K nvRvi nvRvi gvbylK fvjv KiQb GB AUvmvRkb
cqvM Ki| Zvi GB wbivgq cwqvq ivMxK wKQyw`b mKvj I
weKj GKvM gbvhvM w`q 20 evi ejZ nZv W evB W Bb Gfwi
Iq AvB Gg MwUs eUvi G eUvi| em, ivM DavI|
evsjv`k dwjZ gbvwevbi cw_KZ cdmi Gg BD Avng`
wbRi Ici GB AUvmvRkb c_g cqvM Kib 1934 mvj|
cvivUvBdqW Avv nq Pvi gvm XvKvi wgUdvW nvmcvZvj _vKvi
ci Wvviiv Zvi euvPvi Avkv ev` w`q ZvK evwo wbq hZ ejb|
ZvK eRiv bKv Ki ewikvj Mvgi evwoZ wbq hvIqv nq|
eywoMvq bKvq DVB wZwb fZi _K euvPvi g cjb| Ai
_KB evi evi ejZ jvMjbAvwg euvPZ PvB! Avwg euvPev! wZwb
my nq DVjb| GKB cwqvq 1973 mvjI 64 eQi eqm
wKwbKvwj WW Aev _K euP IVb wZwb|
cdmi Gg BD Avng` ay wbRi IciB AUvmvRkb cqvM
Kib wb; Zuvi cewZZ gwWwK mvBKv_ivwc cwqvq AUvmvRkb
w`q nvRvi nvRvi ivMx wewfb RwUj evwa _K gyw cqQb
weqKifve| gbv`wnK ivM wbivgq cdmi Gg BD Avng`
AZ mdjfve AUvmvRkb cqvM Kib wZb `kK ai|
^vfvweKfveB Avcbvi gb Aveviv ck RvMe AUvmvRkb A_vr
ay wKQy K_v wKQy k wKQy evK Kxfve Rxeb GZ eo cwieZb AvbZ
102
cvi| G inmI wevbxiv Av Av DbvPb KiQb| wKwbKvj

mvBKvjwRiv nvRvi nvRvi MelYv Ki `LQb, gvbyli bvfvm
wmg eveZv I Kbvi ga Kvbv ZdvZ KiZ cvi bv| eve
NUbv `Lj h eb Iqf mw nq, mB GKB NUbv Kbv KijI
GKB eb Iqf mw nq| h KviY wmbgvq Avgiv Awfbq `L nvwm
Avevi Kvbvq welv` gb fi IV| Avcwb Rvbb cyivUvB Awfbq|
wK ZviciI DRbv ev welvì ik KvUvZ mgq jvM| GB m~KB
gbvwevbxiv KvR jvMvQb KLbv AUvmvRkb, KLbv gbQweZ|
bexRxi (m) kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn, ek fvjv AvwQ! ejZ ejvi
inm GLvbB| Avcwb w`b 20/30/40 Rbi mv_ `Lv nIqvi ci
hw` GKB K_v ejb, Zvnj 40 evi Avcbvi gw GB fvjv _vKvi
evYx hvQ| evi evi GKB evYx hvIqvi dj gw fvjv _vKvi Zi
Zwi nQ| fvjv _vKvi AvKzwZ evoQ|
wbDivmvqwUiv `xN cixvq `LQb, hLbB gw bZzb Z_
hvq, gw bZzb WbWvBU A_vr GKwU wbDivb _K AviKwU
wbDivb bZzb mshvM c_ Zwi nq| gvMZ GKB Z_ hZ _vKj
gwi KgKvVvgv (Working Structure) e`j hvq| gw ZLb GB
bZzb eveZv mwZ jM hvq|
AUvmvRkb Avcwb Avmj GKB K_v, GKB evYx evi evi ej gb
I gwi wekvj kwfvviK mwq Ki Zvjb| Avcbvi
gbv`wnK cwqv wbRi PvIqvK cvIqvi Rb cZ I hvM Ki
Zvj| cvIqvi gbv`wnK cwqv mb njB PvIqv cwiYZ nq
eveZvq| AwZ `ZB e`j hvq me| gb nq me AjwKK| wbRK
gb nq fvMi eicy|
ck : AUvmvRkbi gvag wK gbvhvM I iYkw evovbv hvq?
Di : AekB AUvmvRkbi gvag gbvhvM I wZkw evovbv
hvq| wZkw evovbvi Rb AUvmvRkb nZ cvi :
G gyn~Z _K Avwg hv `Lev Ges hv bev Zvi mewKQyB
^Zt~ZZvi mv_ cyivcywi gb ivLev| KviY Avgvi gb memgq
mewKQy gb ivL| Avgvi wZ AZ wbLuyZ| hv-B Avwg iY KiZ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
103
PvB, Zvi meUvB mv_ mv_ iY KiZ cviev| Avgvi wZ GLb

_K ^Zt~Zfve cyivcywi KvR Kie|
ck : cZqb Ges AUvmvRkbi ga Kvbv cv_K AvQ wK?
Di : AUvmvRkb Avcwb gb gb AvIovjB njv| wekvm Kivi
cqvRb bvB| wK cZqb wekvmi mv_ KiZ ne| aib, Avcwb
wekvm Kib bv h, Avcwb mvnmx| wekvm bv KiB ejQb Avwg mvnmx,
Avwg mvnmx, Avwg mvnmxGUv nQ AUvmvRkb| Avevi hLb wekvm
Ki ejQb h, Avwg mvnmx, Avwg mvnmxGUv nQ cZqb| A_vr
hLb K_v, evK, k ev evYxi mv_ wekvm hvM KiQb ZLb GUv
cZqb nQ|
GK bvMvo hKvbv AUvmvRkb wekvm Kib Avi bv Kib hw`
w`Z _vKb, Avcwb wbRB AevK nq hveb Gi mydj `L|
KvqvUvg GKwU gq AvmZv| ZLb m Kvm bvBb co| GZ fxi
wQjv h, GKUv cvKv `LjI wPrKvi Ki DVZv|
gwWUkb Kivi ci Zvi bvwK cvKv `LjB IUv ai `LZ
BQv Ki, IUvi nvZ Kgb, cv Kgb BZvw`| kl ch ZvK WK
ejjvg, gv Zzwg wK eo nq RyqvjwR nZ PvI? m ejjv, bv|
ejjvg, Zvnj GZ cvKv aivi ìKvi bvB| A_vr GZ fxi GKUv
gqm GZ mvnmx nq MQ|
AUvmvRkb PPv
ck : cqvRb Avwg wK wbR AUvmvRkb ev cZqb Zwi Ki
wbZ cviev?
Di : mvaviYfve gbMov AUvmvRkb bv `qvB fvjv| KviY K_vq
hw` DcKvi nZ cvi Zvnj K_vUv wVKfve bv nj Zv wZi KviYI
nZ cvi|
gbMov AUvmvRkb wKiKg wZKi nZ cvi Zvi GKUv Qv
D`vniY `B| AbK eQi AvM Avgvì kvwbMi Awdm GK gv
104
Gjb Zvi QjK wbq| Qji Kvb bvwK fuv-fuv, kuv-kuv k nq|
Avwg ejjvg, GUv Zv kvixwiK mgmv| Avcbvi Zv bvK-Kvb-Mjv
wekli KvQ hvIqv DwPZ|
f`gwnjv ejjb, wbq wMqwQjvg| Iiv mvBwKqvwU `LvZ
ejQ| Avwg Zv-B KiwQ| mvBwKqvwU Avcbvi KvQ wbq AvmZ
ejQb| KviY GUv evwbqQb Avcwb, AvcwbB cvieb wVK KiZ|
QjwUK Avjv`v Ki P^vi wbq Mjvg| wRm Kijvg, evev
evcviUv Kx? AvgvK Lyj ejv|
QjwU NUbv ejjv| Zvi GmGmwm cixvi ci nvZ hLb ek
mgq AvQ, PvBjv Avgvì gwWUkb Kvm AvmZ| gvK ejjv
ZvK Kvm fwZ Ki w`Z| wK gv-Zv iM Avb| KviY GUv
1993 mvji NUbv| GLb Zv gv-eveviv evPvìK gwWUkb KiZ
Dy Kib| KviY, GLb wkwZ mevB Rvbb h, gwWUkb KjvYKi
GKUv welq| wK ZLb gwWUkb mK aviYv wQjv bv|
Zviv ejjb, GB eqm gwWUkb! bv bv wKQyZB bv| eis GLb
jvdvjvwd Ki, bvPvbvwP Ki| eyov hLb nwe ZLb gwWUkb Kiwe|
wK Qji Zv AvMn| hLb gv-evevK ivRx KiZ cvijv bv m
Mvcb KvqvUvgi Awdm _K KvmU, eB wbq Mj| evmvq wMq
ig e Ki gwWUkb PPv KiZ jvMjv|
Zvi GKUv mgmv wQjv| m hLb coZ emZv ZLb gb nZv hb
gv_v w`q Mig auvqv ei nQ| GLb GB mgmv `~i Kivi Rb Kx
AUvmvRkb è m fe cvQ bv| Gi ga GKw`b m wUwfZ GK
gvwRK `LwQjv h, gvwRwkqvb wKQy LvQ Avi `yB Kvb w`q auvqv
eivQ| m-Zv mv_ mv_ AvBwWqv cq Mj| gwWUkb em
AUvmvRkb `qv i KijvAvgvi gv_vi hZ Mig `yB Kvb w`q
auvqv nq ewiq hvQ|
em, Kw`b ci Zvi gv_v Vvv nq Mj| wK Kvb w`q fuv-fuv,
kuv-kuv k i njv| KviY AUvmvRkb Abyhvqx Zvi gv_vi Mig
Kvb w`q auvqv nq eivbvi k wQjv GUv| fq cq hLb gvevevK ejjv, Zviv c_g BGbwU GcvU, Zvici mvBwKqvwU,
mekl Avgvi KvQ wbq Gjb| Avwg eySjvg, mgmvUv Kv_vq?
ZvK mfve mvRkb w`q w`jvg| wVK nq Mj|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
105
Avjxevevi mB M Zv coQbwPwPs duvK ejj ìRv Lyje|

GLb wPwPs duvK bv ej Avcwb hw` Avjy duvK, UgUv duvK ejZ
_vKb, Lyje? Lyje bv| ZvB gbMov AUvmvRkb èb bv| Rxeb
e`ji PvweKvwV AUvmvRkb eBq gvU GK nvRvi PviwU
AUvmvRkb AvQ| mLvb _K Avcbvi cqvRbgZv hKvbv
AUvmvRkb PPv KiZ cvib| cqvRb dvDkb Gm
KvDwjiì civgk wbb|
ZviciI wekl cqvRb AUvmvRkb ev cZqb Zwi KiZ nj
wbv mnR wbqgwj AbymiY KiZ cvib :
o GB cZqb ev AUvmvRkb m~Y Avcbvi ewMZ| ZvB Avwg
ev Avgvi k eenvi Kib|
o cyivcywi BwZevPK nvb| hv Kvgbv Kib ZvB wjLyb|
o AUvmvRkb memgq BwZevPK k eenvi Kib| bwZevPK k
eRb Kib| ivM-evwai Dj-L hZ Kg Kib ZZ fvjv| hgb
Avgvi nvUi AmyL fvjv nq hve bv ej ejeb Avgvi rwc
fvjvfve KvR Kie, Avgvi eg~ fvjv nq hve ev WvqvewUm
fvjv nq hve bv ej ejeb h Avgvi AMvkq ev cvbwqvm
h_vh_fve KvR Kie|
o eZgvb Kvj ev fwelr KvjvcK k eenvi Kieb|
o AZxZi mv_ ev Abi mv_ Zzjbv Kieb bv|
o AUvmvRkb ev cZqb AekB evemZ nZ ne|
o Kvbv mgqmxgv wbaviY Kieb bv| mgqmxgv wZKi nZ cvi,
GZ Ubkb mw nq|
gbvwevbxiv ejQb, Avcbvi AePZb gbi ^qswq mRbkxj
Kgaviv memgqB cwiPvwjZ nq Avcbvi wbavwiZ jK K` Ki|
Avcwb AePZb gbK mywbw` j ARbi `vwqZ w`j AePZb gb
Avcbvi mPZb gbi PqI myPvifve AvcbvK j ARbi c_
wbq hve| Avcwb AePZb gbi ^qswq MvBW wmgi Ici
Abvqvm wbfi KiZ cvib| AePZb gb ej è Avcwb Kxfve
Avcbvi j cuQeb|
gb wbqYi gvag AvZ Dbqbi g~j m~ nQAvcwb hv nZ
106
Pvb, Kbvq Zv nvb A_vr miKg fvb Kib Ges Kbvq h iKg
KvR Kieb, eveI Zv-B ne| Ze Avcwb hv nZ Pvb m mK
AvcbvK AvwiK, mywbw` I mywbwZ nZ ne|
ck : cwievii m`m ev cwiwPZ AbK wK AUvmvRkb w`Z cviev?
Di : AUvmvRkb memgq wbRK `qvi Rb| AbK `qvi Rb
bq| Abi Rb Kgv mUvi eenvi Kieb|
ck : gwWUkb eZxZ AUvmvRkb ev cZqb KZUzKz KvhKix?
mevevq AUvmvRkb `qv hve?
Di : hLb Lywk Avcwb AUvmvRkb ev cZqb PPv KiZ cvieb|
Ze gwWUkb hLb èb GUv ewk djcm~ ne KviY gbi evwoZ
Avcbvi AePZb gbi Pvbj Lyj hvq, AePZb gbi Z_fvvi
cybweb Kiv mnR nq| GQvov fviejv Nyg fvOvi ci weQvbv Qo
IVvi AvM A_ev ivZ weQvbvq q Nywgq covi AvMgyn~ZI
AePZbi mv_ hvMvhvM Kivi myì ^vfvweK mgq|
ck : GKwU welq AUvmvRkb ev cZqb PjvKvj mdj bv nIqv
ch wK Ab welq cZqb Kiv hvq?
Di : hvq hw` mUv ciiweivax bv nq| hiKg Avcwb cZqb
Kijb hAvwg PMvg hvev| PMvg cuQvbvi AvMB hw` cZqb
Kib h, Avwg iscyi hvev Zvnj Zv ciiweivax nq Mj| wK
weqi evcvi Avi PvKwii evcvi GKB mv_ nZ cvi|
covkvbvi cZqbi mv_ mv_ PvKwii evcviI cZqb nZ
cvi| ewZi Dbqbi Rb cZqb nZ cvi; ^vi Rb cZqb
nZ cvi| Gfve 4/5/10Uv cZqb GKB mv_ nZ cvi, hw`
ciiweivax bv nq|
ck : cZqb GKmv_ ewk Kij Ges Zv hw` ciiweivax nq Ze
wK mejvi IciB cfve dje?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
107
Di : Kb cii weivwaZvq hveb? GKUv GKUv Ki Kib hvZ

cii weivax bv nq| AbKjv GKmv_ wgwkq Kivi Zv
cqvRb bvB|
ck : cZqb Kv_vq Kiev?
Di : cZqb Kieb Avcbvi gbi evwoi ìevi K em|
ck : 640 bs AUvmvRkb PvIqvK msvwqZ KiZ ejv nqQ|
GZ 19wU welqi K_v ejv nqQ| `qv Ki GB AUvmvRkb mK
wKQy ejj KZ nev|
Di : PvIqvK msvwqZ KiZ cvij gb wi nq, AZw KgZ
_vK| 19wU Ggb welqi ZvwjKv Avgvi AvQ hv Avwg gZyi AvM
ARb Kiev|Rxeb e`ji PvweKvwV AUvmvRkb eBqi 640 bs
AUvmvRkbi G 19wU welq Avcwb eQ beb Avcbvi Rxebi
cqvRb I j Abymvi|
ck : gwWUkb ejv AUvmvRkbjv wK GKevi ejjB ne, bvwK
evi evi gwWUkb Ki evi evi ejZ ne? hgb Avwg mvnmx,
AvZwekvmx, KgV BZvw`| cZqbi mgq g~jK_v KZevi ejZ ne?
Di : hZevi Lywk ejeb| evi evi ejeb| hZ ewk ejeb DcKvi
ZZ ewk ne|
ck : cwZw`bi cwZevii gwWUkb AUvmvRkb wK wfb nZ cvi?
Di : GKB AUvmvRkb AbKw`b ai wbqwgZ w`Z ne|
AUvmvRkbi msLv AbKjv nZ cvi| wK Zv evi evi wbqwgZ
w`Z ne|
ck : gwWUkb cZqb Kwi wK eve Kvbv cwieZb `wL bv|
Kxfve cZqb Kij eveI Zvi dj cvev?
108
Di : mdj Ges BwZevPK cZqbi Rb PviwU kZ iqQ| c_gZ,

Kvgbv ev AvKvv| Avcbvi ga fvjv nIqvi, fvjv _vKvi Zxe
AvKvv mw nZ ne h, Avwg gvBMb PvB bv, mvBbymvBwUm PvB bv,
e_v PvB bv, `ytL PvB bv, Avwg fvjv _vKZ PvB|
Kx iKg Zxe nZ ne? GKRb Wye gvbyli KvQ AwRbi
AvKvv hiKg Zxe miKg Zxe| GKRb Wye gvbyli mvgb Avcwb
GK nvZ 50 UvKvi GKUv AwRbi wmwjvi Avi Ab nvZ `k
KwR nxiv ai hw` ck Kib KvbUv be? m AwRbi wmwjvi
be| KviY m fvee, euP _vKj nxiv cvIqv hZ cvi| wK GLb
hw` `k KwR nxiv wbB Zvnj Zv Aviv wbP Pj hvev!
GKRb Wye gvbyli KvQ AwRbi AvKvv hgb Zxe, Avcwb
hv Pvb, mwU ivMgyw nvK, mvdj nvK, Kvbv Y nvK mUvi Rb
Avcbvi AvKvI Zgwb Zxe nZ ne|
wZxqZ, Z_| AePZb gbi Z_fvvii cybwebvm KiZ ne|
ZZxqZ, cybivew| evi evi GB AvKvvi cybivew KiZ ne|
PZz_ nQ, bxie KvR| NUbv NUvi Rb bxie KvR KiZ ne|
Avcwb wPv Ki `Lyb GB PviwU kZ Avcwb c~iY KiQb wK bv|
hw` c~iY Ki _vKb Ze Avcbvi AUvmvRkb ev cZqb eve
icvwiZ nIqv mgqi evcvi gv|
ck : cZqbi c_g avc eZgvb Aevi eYbv wK ay gwWUkb gb
gb Kiev bv ^vfvweK AevqI Kiv hve?
Di : GUv ay GKevi| c_g avc hUv eZgvb Aevi eYbv Ges
wZxq avc hUv fwelr ji eYbv GUv ay gwWUkb GKevi
ejeb| Gici _K hLbB gwWUkb ev eve cZqb PPv Kieb|
ZLb ay cZqb, A_vr kl AskUv ejeb| aib, Avcwb fq cvb|
c_gevi gwWUkb Avcwb c_g ejeb Avwg fq cvB| Gici ejeb
Avcbvi fwelr j h, Avwg mvnmx nZ PvB| mekl ejeb
Avcbvi cZqb, Avwg mvnmx| ay c_gevi GB wZbUv Ask _vKe|
Gici hZevi cZqb Kieb ay ZZxq AskUv ejeb| A_vr ay
ejeb h, Avwg mvnmx, Avwg mvnmx, Avwg mvnmx|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
109
ck : cZqb wK ay iRv ejev bv wK `~i KiZ PvwQ Zv ejev|

hgb Avgvi fq `~i ne, Avwg mvnmx nev|
Di : fq `~i ne GUv ejvi ìKvi bB| AUvmvRkb memgq
BwZevPK k eenvi Kieb| bwZevPK k eRb Kieb| Kb Zvi
KviYUv evSvi Rb wbPi MUv cob|
GK f`jvK Mvg hvQb, myU-eyU ci| Lvj cvi neb| Lvji
Ici euvki wPKb cyj| cyji gvSvgvwS hLb GmQb nVvr Lqvj
Kijb h, Lvji H cvi GK cvMj em Avcb gb Kv`vgvwU
bvoQ| ^vfvweKfveB Dwb gb Kijb cvMji Zv eyw Kg| m hw`
GLb GB Kv`vgvwU bvov ev` w`q nVvr Ki euvk ai bvovPvov i
Ki Zvnj Zv Avwg co hvev| Zv AvM _KB ZvK GKUz mZK
Ki w`B| Dwb cyji Ici _K wPrKvi w`jb GB cvMjv euvk
bvwom bv wK!
cvMji wK GZY Gw`K Kvbv LqvjB wQjv bv| b gb
njvAvi! G Zv fvjv K_v gb KiQ! GKUz fvjv Ki euvkUv
bo `B| ej AvQvgZv w`jv bvov| f`jvK myU-eyUmn GKevi
Lvji cvwbZ co Mjb|
GB cvMj wK Zvi gZvB wQjv| hB ZvK bv Kivi K_v gb
Kwiq `qv njv Agwb m IUv KiZB QyU Gjv|
Avgvì gbI wK GK aibi cvMj| fqi K_v gb Kwiq w`j
`Lv hve Aviv ewk Ki fq cvQ| GKB KviY AUvmvRkb I
cZqb ivMevwai Dj-L hZ Kg Kib ZZ fvjv| hgb Avgvi
nvUi AmyL fvjv nq hve bv ej ejeb Avgvi rwc fvjvfve
KvR Kie, Avgvi eg~ fvjv nq hve/ WvqvewUm fvjv nq hve
bv ej ejyb, Avgvi AMvkq ev cvbwqvm h_vh_fve KvR Kie|
ck : cZqb Pvwn`v ev AvKvvi cPZvi Afve _vKj Kxfve Zv
ew Kiv hZ cvi?
Di : mRb AUvmvRkb èb| Pvwn`v Ges AvKvvUv hvZ Zxe
nq| Avmj cZqb Kxfve KvR Ki Zv wbq AbK MelYv nqQ|
110
AvgwiKvi GKwU gb wbqY cwZ nQ mvBKv KevibwU| Gi

DveK wQjb cdmi gvIqj gjR| cZqb msv AbK eve
AwfZvi weeiY cdmi gjR w`qQb Zvi eBq| GKUv D`vniY Lye
gRvi| gvIqj gjR ejwQjb, Avgvì mvBKv KevibwUK
IqvKkc AskMnYi Rb GKw`b GK hyeK Gjv| m Zvi `yiev
evLv Kijv| Zvi Kvbv A_ bB| m (Zvi gZ) FY RRwiZ Ges
welYZvq Avv| hyeK AweevwnZ| gv Zvi mv_ _vK| AvwiRvqvbvi
UmWj Zvi GKUv AvU kc iqQ| mLvb m wbRi I Abvb
wkxì wkKg wew Ki| AZ gavex fvi nIqv mI wbRi
mK Zvi aviYv AZ evR| IqvKkc I mkb m wbqwgZ
AskMnY Ki|
AePZb gb Z_ cybwebvmKvj m QqwU cZqb Ki :
1. AvU kc Ggb `vg wew ne h, ZvZ Avgvi mKj `bv kva
nq hve|
2. Avwg evmv e`jvZ cviev|
3. Avgvi gvqi _vKvi Rb bZzb evmvbi eev ne|
4. evsK Avgvi 10 nvRvi Wjvi Rgv _vKe|
5. Avwg Avw_K `ywv _K gyw cvev Ges fvh Kivi chv
mgq cvev|
6. Avgvi gYi AvKvv c~Y ne|
m wbqwgZ Kbvq G mejv NUbv NU hZ `LZ jvMjv|
Gfve KqK mvn KvUvi ci GK mvq Avgvi KvQ Gm nvwRi
njv| ejjv, Avwg eva nq wR nq hvwQ| KviY Avgvi gb GKUv
myLvbyf~wZ GmQ, wK eve Avgvi Aevi GK we`y boPo nq wb|
Avwg ZvK ejjvg, Zzwg hv Abyfe KiQv, Zv nQ cwieZb| Avi
hLb Zvgvi fZi GB cwieZb GmQ, ZLb eveI Zzwg GB
cwieZb DcfvM Kie|
eve Zv-B NUwQjv| Zvi QqwU cZqbB gv Qq gvmi ga
eveZvq cwiYZ nq|
Avmj c_g cwieZbUv AvmZ ne gb, `wfwZ| h KviY
Avgiv ewj h, `wfw e`jvb Rxeb e`j hve| gb hLb cwieZb
Avme eveZvI e`j hve|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
111
ck : mgmv ewk nj cZqb Kxfve Kiev?

Di : GKUv GKUv Ki Kieb| H h K_vq AvQ bv h, euvki AuvwU
hw` fvOZ nq Zvnj `wo Lyj euvkjvK AvjMv KiZ nq| AZGe
mgmvK GKUv GKUv Ki aib| Lye `Z mgvavb cq hveb|
ck : cZqbi ci H evcvi Kvbv bMwUf NUbv NUj Kx Kiev?
Di : Acv Kieb Ges cZqb KiZ _vKeb| hKvbv NUbvi
B evav AvmZ cvi, wej^ AvmZ cvi| mRb memgq Acv
Kieb| Avcwb Avcbvi cZqb Ki hveb| bxie ahi mv_ j
ARb KvR Ki hveb|
ck : gwWUkb cZqb Kwi wVKB wK eve Rxeb Kvbv cZqb
wVK ivLZ cvwi bv| hv cZqb Kwi mUv Aviv ewk f Kwi Kb?
Di : GiKg nj mv_ mv_ ZIev Kieb| Avevi bZzb Ki cZqb
Kieb| hnZz Avcwb fvjv KvRi Rb cZqb KiQb, hZevi
Avcwb fvOjb ZZevi bZzb Ki cwZv Kieb h, Avwg Avevi
Kiev| GKUv wk hLb ùvovZ kL, cyivcywi ùvovZ cvivi AvM m
evi evi co, Avevi evi evi DV ùvovq| AvcwbI Zv-B Kieb|
AUvmvRkb Kx ne
Rxeb e`ji PvweKvwV AUvmvRkb eBwU _K Avcbvi gbgZv
AUvmvRkb eQ wbb|
ck : Avwg PvB `p I AvKlYxq ewZ ARb KiZ| mRb Kxfve
AUvmvRkb èv? Kxfve eySev Avgvi BQv cZvkvq ic wbq
evevwqZ nQ?
112
Di : c_gB AvcbvK `p, ewj I AvKlYxq ewZ ejZ Kx

evSvq Zv fve eySZ ne| Avcwb Kx iKg `p, ewj nZ Pvb,
Kxfve AvKlYxq nZ Pvb mjv AvM wbRi KvQ my nZ ne|
Zvici AUvmvRkb èb, Avwg `p, ewj I AvKlYxq ewZ
cwiYZ nZ PvB| Zvici GB Yjv ARbi Rb AvcbvK Pv
KiZ ne| memgq Yi AvjvK wbRi mg AvPiYK wePvi KiZ
ne| wbqwgZ wbRK g~jvqb KiZ KiZ GKmgq `Leb Avcwb
`p ewj Ges AvKlYxq nq DVQb|
ck : Avwg abx nZ PvB| cfvekvjx, cwZfvai, egyLx hvMZvi
AwaKvix nZ PvB| Kxfve cZqb Kiev?
Di : GKUv GKUv Ki aib Zvnj cvieb| eywgvb mbvcwZ wK
GKmv_ AbKjv dU Lvjb bv| GKUv GKUv Ki dU Lvjb|
c_g abx nvb| Zvici cfvekvjx nvb| Zvici Avcbvi egyLx
hvMZvi cwZdjb NUvb| RvK Ad Aj UW&m nIqvi AvM GKUv
welq gvvi nIqv DwPZ| GKUv welq gvvi nIqvi ci Avcwb hw`
RvK Ad Aj UW&m nb mUv Avcbvi AwZwi Y wnme weewPZ
ne| Avi GKUv welq gvvi bv nq hw` Avcwb RvK Ad Aj UW&m
nZ Pvb Zvnj Avcwb wKQyB cveb bv|
K_v AvQ bvivwjs vb M`vm bv gm| miKg hw` me welq
hvM nZ Pvb Zvnj wK kl ch wKQyB ne bv| c_g GKUv
welq gvvi nvb| Zvici ew`K Avcbvi wPvK Qwoq w`b|
ck : Kvb Kvb cZqb Kiv hvq?
Di : Avcwb ivMgywi Rb cZqb KiZ cvib| gvbwmK Dbqb,
AvZwekvm ewi Rb cZqb KiZ cvib, cvwievwiK I cviwiK
mK Dbqbi Rb cZqb KiZ cvib| eemv-evwYR Avw_K
myhvM-myweav jvfi Rb cZqb KiZ cvib| Kg emi mv_
mK Dbqb I emi AvbyKj jvfi Rb cZqb KiZ cvib,
QvQvxiv wkK-wkwKvi mv_ fyj evSveywSi Aemvb I Zvì
AvbyK~j I n jvfi Rb cZqb KiZ cvib|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
8-
113
gwWUkb Abykxjb
ck : hLb mgq cvB bv 10/15 wgwbU gwWUkb Kwi| GZ Kvbv
mgmv AvQ wK?
Di : GZ Kvbv mgmv bB| 10/15 wgwbU AvZwbgM _vKeb| wKQy
DcKvi Avcwb cveb| wekl cqvRb Avcwb GwU KiZ cvib| Ze
gwWUkbi DcKvi cyivcywi cZ nj 30 wgwbU KiZ ne|
ck : w`b `yB evi gwWUkb Kiv nq IV bv, wbqwgZ GKevi KiZ
Pv Kwi| Avgvi wK j cuQZ AbK mgq jvMe?
Di : w`b `yB evi bv Lj gRvR wVK ivLv, wbRK wbqY Kiv
gykwKj| w`b `yB evi LvIqv hgb Avcbvi Rb cqvRbxq, `yB evi
gwWUkb KivI ZgbB cqvRbxq|
ck : `yBwU gwWUkb wK GKejvq Kiv hvq wKsev GKevi Kiv hvq?
Di : Avcwb hw` ivZi Ges `ycyii Lvevi GKmv_ Lq djZ
cvib Zvnj `yevii gwWUkb GKevi Ki wbZ cvib| Avi hw`
gb Kib `yBejv Lvevi jvMe, GKejv ewk Lq AviK ejv bv
Lq _vKZ cvieb bv, Zvnj gwWUkb `yBejvB nIqv DwPZ|
ck : GKm AbKjv gwWUkb Kij wK wZ nIqvi Kvbv
mvebv AvQ? gwWUwUf jfj fvjv Kivi Rb Ges AbKjv
w`K wbRi DbwZi RbB GUv KiZ AvMn cKvk KiwQ|
Di : GKm AbKjv gwWUkb Kivi Zv cqvRb
cqvRb GKKw`b GKKUv gwWUkb nZ cvi|
wkw_j cwqvq wkw_jvqb cZKw`b GKevi Ki Kieb|
hviv wbivgq Kieb, Zviv GKevi wkw_j cwqvq wbivgq
wbivgq-1, AviKevi Ab gwWUkb Kieb| jfj wVK Kivi
wbRi DbwZi Rb w`b `yejv gwWUkbB h_|
114
bB|
A_ev
A_vr
Rb,
ck : mgq _vKj w`b `yevii ewk gwWUkb Kiv hve wK?

Di : Avmj hviv msmvix gvbyl Zvì Rb w`b `yejv gwWUkbB
h_| Ze ckv-evmvi `vwqZ cvjbi ciI hw` `yevii ewk
gwWUkb Kivi mgq Avcbvi _vK, m mwi mevq AviI KvR
Kivi myhvM AvQ Avcbvi| gvwUi evsK weZiY Kib| AvjvwKZ
Rxebi evYx cuQ w`b gvbyli KvQ| Avi gwWUkb QvovI Avcwb
dvDkbi n gvbyl kvbv, cwe agevYx, AvZRvMiY wKsev
RxebKwYKv AwWI wmwWjv bZ cvib|
ck : `ywU gwWUkbi ga Kq Nv cv_K _vKv ìKvi?
Di : mvaviYfve `yUv gwWUkbi ga 6 Nv cv_K _vKv fvjv|
ck : Avcwb ejQb wbqwgZ `yBejv gwWUkb KiZ| wK hLb
KvqvUvgi Kvbv cvMvg _vK Ges mLvb gwWUkb Kivbv nq
mw`b wK evmvq Gm Avevi gwWUkb Kiev?
Di : G mw`b evmvq Gm gwWUkb bv KijI Pje|
KLb
ck : gwWUkb KLb Kiv fvjv? fvi, fvi ivZ, mvq ev ivZ,
`ycyi ev mKvj?
Di : GUv memgq ewi Ici wbfi Ki| GKKRbi gvbwmK
Aev GKK mgq GKK iKg _vK| KD KD ivZi ejvi
gwWUkb fvjv eva Kib| Avevi KD fvjv eva Kib dRi
bvgvRi AvM| KD Avevi dRi bvgvRi ci gwWUkb emj Nywgq
cob| Kviv nqZv `ycyi ejvevmvq Qj-gq, nvRe KD bB,
Gmgq wbwiwewj gwWUkb KiZ fvjv jvM| A_vr gwWUkb KLb
Kiv fvjv, GUv memgq wbfi Kie Kvb mgqUv Avcwb fvjv gb
KiQb Zvi Ici| cZKi ejvq GK wbqg chvR bq|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
115
ck : gwWUkb `ycyi wKsev ivZ Lvevii AvM bvwK ci Kiev|

Di : `ycyi Kij LvIqvi AvM Kieb| ivZ kvqvi AvM Kieb,
Ges memgq LvIqvi AZ `yNv ci NygvZ hveb| GUv GKUv iwUb
Ki bqv DwPZ| ivZi ejv Avgiv AbK mgq LqB NygvZ hvB
GUv ^vmZ bq| LvIqvi `yNv ci NygvZ hvIqv DwPZ| LvIqvi
òNv ci gwWUkb Kieb, Zvici NygvZ hveb|
Kxfve
ck : gymjgvbiv bvgvR covi c~e IRy Ki bqKviY GUv cwe
nIqvi GKwU cwqv Ges bvgvRi gvag Avj-vni w``vi jvf KivUvB
nqZv g~L welq| gwWUkbI Zv Zv-B| Zvnj G Avgiv IRy
KiwQ bv Kb ? `qv Ki Di èb iRx|
Di : bvgvR covi AvM Avj-vn Zvqvjv IRy KiZ ejQb GRb
Avgiv bvgvR covi AvM IRy Kwi| gwWUkb Kivi G aibi
Kvbv wb`kbv bB| Ze nvZgyL ayq bqvUv memgq fvjv| Avcwb
hw` gb Kib nvZ gyL ayq beb, GKUz fvjv Ki cvwbi SvcUv w`q
beb, Lye fvjv| hw` gb Kib IRy Kieb, IRy KiZ cvib|
ck : gwWUkb Lvwj ev ficU KiZ ne Ggb Kvbv mywbw` wbqg
AvQ wK?
Di : Avmj Lye fiv cU ev Lye Lvwj cU KvbvUvB fvjv bq|
fiv cU Kij Nyg Avmvi mvebv ewk| Lvevi ci KiZ PvBj
wKQyY eRvmb Ki Zvici KiZ cvib| Avi cU zav _vKj Zv
gwWUkb gbvhvM w`Z cvieb bv| AZGe gwWUkb Kieb cU
nvjKv fiv AvQ Ggb Aevq|
ck : AKvi Ni Kb gwWUkb Kiv hve bv?
Di : AKvi Ni gwWUkb KiZ wbla Kivi KviY, AKvi Ni
gwWUwUf jfj nVvr hw` fqi wKQy gb nq, fqi Kvbv Abyf~wZ
116
nq Avcwb Aviv ewk fq cq hZ cvib| AKvi memgq fqi

gvvK evwoq `q| AZGe nvjKv AvjvZ gwWUkb Kieb|
AKviY fq _K gy _vKeb| ZvB AKvi Nii Pq nvjKv Avjvq
gwWUkb memgq fvjv nq|
ck : PvL Lvjv iL gwWUkb Kiv me wK bv? A_vr gbi evwo
wMq PvL Lvjv iL cZqb ev AUvmvRkb `qv hve wK bv?
Di : cv_wgK chvq PvL Lvjv iL gwWUwUf jfj _vKv KwVb
ne| PPv KiZ _vKzb, GK mgq wbqB PvL Lvjv iLI cvieb|
Ze cv_wgK Aevq PvL e iLB gwWUkb Kieb| GZ Avcwb
`Z KbwWk neb|
ck : gwWUkb I evqvgG `ywUi ga KvbUv AvM Kiev?
Di : GUv Avcbvi BQvi Ici wbfi KiQ| KD gb Kibevqvg
Ki gwWUkb Ki GKevi wijv Kiev| Avevi KD gb Kib
evqvg Ki gwWUkb Kij Kvw Pj AvmZ cvi, Nywgq coZ
cvib| wKQyw`b PPv Ki `Lyb KvbUvZ Avcwb myweav eva KiQb|
hfve myweav eva Kieb mfve Kieb| Ze `yUvB Avcbvi
Rxebi mv_ IZcvZfve RwoZ Ges Rxebi Rb iZc~Y|
Kv_vq
ck : gwWUkb wK hKvbv mgq, hKvbv vb Kiv hvq?
Di : gwWUkb hKvbv mgq Kiv hve wK hKvbv vb Kivi
Lye mZK _vKZ ne| Avcwb XvKv-PMvg nvBIq w`q hvQb|
GZ Dby RvqMv `L em Mjb gwWUkb KiZ| evm Ges UvK
KLb h AvcbvK Avj-vni cqviv (!) evwbq è m LuvRI _vKe
bv| ZvB vb wbevPb Kivi AvM Lqvj Kieb G vbUv gwWUkbi
Rb wbivc` wK bv, myì wK bv|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
117
ck : avb Kivi Rb AbyKj ev Avivg`vqK cwiek bv cj Kx Kiv

DwPZ? A_ev b~bZg KZUzKz Av`k cwiek avb Kiv me?
Di : hKvbv cwiek, hKvbv RvqMvZB Avcwb gwWUkb KiZ
cvib, hw` Avcbvi miKg gvbwmK cwZ _vK| Avmj gwWUkbi
Rb Kvbv wekl RvqMvi cqvRb bB| Avi Avcwb memgq wekl
RvqMv cveb Ggb Kvbv K_v bB| KviY avbUv Zv gbi evcvi|
AvcbvK hv KiZ ne Zvnjv gvbwmKfve wewQb nIqv,
cvwicvwkKZv _K gbK mwiq Avbv| c_g nqZv Kvjvnj A^w
ne, wK Gfve KiZ KiZB Avcwb Af nq hveb, Gici
Kvjvnj Avi Kvbv Amyweav mw KiZ cvie bv| Avi gwWUkb
Zv Avgiv AUvmvRkb w`wQ, hKvbv AcqvRbxq k Avgvi
gbvhvM Aviv Mfxi ne| myZivs AvcvZ`wZ cwZKj cwiekI
Avcwb PgrKvi gbvhvMi mv_ gwWUkb KiZ cvieb|
ck : Ub ev MvwoZ wiKkvq 2/3 wgwbUi Rb ev ewk mgqi Rb
gwWUkb Kiv hvq wK bv?
Di : hvq| wK mvebv AvQ Avcwb GKevi k~b gvavKlY cuQ
hveb| aib, Avcwb wiKkv w`q hvQb, mvgb wiKkv eK Kljv ev
cQb _K avv w`jv| Avcwb gvavKlY kwK nvi gvwbq
wiKkvIqvjvi Ici w`q mvgb wMq coeb| ZvB wiKkvq DV
gwWUkb KiZ hveb bv|
Ze evm, Ub ev MvwoZ ewk mgqi Rb hLb Avcwb gY
KiQb ev Rvg em AvQbZLb gwWUkb KiZ cvib| Aek
wbR WvBf Kivi mgq KLbv gwWUkb ev AUvmvRkbi wmwW
bZ hveb bv|
ck : Avwg XvKvq dvwgwj Qvov _vwK| Avgiv QqRb GKwU evmv fvov
Ki _vwK| mgmv nq ivZ gwWUkb Kiv wbq| mevB AbK ivZ
ch RM _vK I co| Avgvi iggUI co| G Aevq gwWUkb
Kij mevB nvme ev cyivcywi gbvhvM w`Z cviev bv ej Acv
Kwi| wK GK chvq ivZ ewk nj Nyg Pj Avm Ges gwWUkb bv
118
KiB Nywgq coZ nq| `wi Ki NygvB ej mKvj DVZ `wi nq

hvq| evwoZ MjI mevB `L djeb ej gwWUkb Kiv nq bv|
KviY Zviv KD GUv cQ` KiQb bv| GRb cvqB gwWUkb
AwbqwgZ nq hvq| G Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avmj Avcbvi Aev nQ cvQ jvK wKQy ej, A_vr wiGKwUf `wfw| Avcwb wbRB gb KiQb gwWUkb Ki Lye Abvq
wKQy Ki djwQ, KD hb bv `L| Zv bv Ki h ig Abiv co
m igB Avcwb em gwWUkb Kib| Abiv c_g nvmvnvwm Kie,
bvbviKg ge Kie, GgbI nZ cvi LuvPv w`Q| nvmvnvwm Kij
AvcwbI nvmb| GKw`b, `yBw`b, wZbw`bGiKg Pjvi ci Zviv
wbRivB iY f è| Avcbvi Kvbv cwZwqv bv `Lj ZvivB
AvcbvK wei Kivi AvMn nvwiq dje|
wbqwgZ GB cwiek gwWUkb Ki Mj wKQyw`b ci Avcbvi
iggUivB gwWUkbi evcvi AvMnx nq DVe| KviY Avcbvi
wekvm, Avcbvi bxieZv, Avcbvi ckv cZq AbìK AvK Kie|
G ckwU hw` 1993 mvji nZv Zvnj nqZv wVK wQjv| ZLb
gwWUkb hviv KiZv ZvìK Avkcvki AbKB cvMj ejZv|
AvgvKI cvMj ejvi jvKi Afve wQjv bv| Avi wek eQi ci GLb
Zv mgvRi mPZb gnji mevB gwWUkbi evcvi AvMnx| GLb
gwWUkb PPvKvixì cvMj ejvi gZv wbeva jvKi msLv wbZvB
Kg| Avi KqK eQi ci hviv gwWUkb Rvbe bv wevbgb gvbyl
ZvìKB Kvbv wekl wbeva cvYxi mv_ Zzjbv Kie| AZGe
wbwavq gwWUkb Kib|
ck : hviv kni gm ev Ggb evmvb _vKb hv AZ jvKviY|
Zvì c `y` kvwZ gwWUkb KivI Lye KwVb nq| Avgvì hw`
dvDkb _K Ggb GKUv ig `qv nq hLvb KvmU Qvov hvi hLb
BQv mLvb wMq gwWUkb Ki AvmZ cvi| Ggb GKwU gbvevm
Kiv hZ cvi hwU mKvj mvZUv _K ivZ 10Uv ch Lvjv _vKe
ay gwWUkbi Rb| cwZevii Rb 10 UvKv PvR ivLv hZ cvi
hv KLbvB Ab Kvbv cvMvgi Rb e _vKe bv|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
119
Di : Gici ejeb h, dvDkb ig Ki wb ZvB Avgvi gwWUkb

nq wb| gwWUkb Kivi Rb dvDkbi igi cqvRb AvQ? GB
XvKv kni GK gmwR` _K eiZ wMq nuvPU LjI `Lv hvq h,
AviK gmwRì ìRvq wMq coQbGZ gmwR`| Avkcvk me
RvqMvZB gmwR`| XyK hvb| Avcwb Zv KvmU Qvov KiQb|
KvmU ev IqvKgvb eenvi Kij nqZv ejZv h, Kx Rvwb em em
Mvb bQ bvwK? hnZz Avcwb GUv KiQb bv, em cob ILvb|
bxie AvZwbgM nvb| KD wKQy eje bv|
myhvM cj gwìi AvwObvq bxie gwWUkb KiZ cvib| Gi
Rb Kvbv cqmv LiPI nQ bv|
Avi GLb XvKv Ges XvKvi evBi cvq me Rjv kniB iqQ
dvDkbi ek KqKwU mUvi/ kvLv/ mj I wc-mj| LuvR Ki
`Lyb, ILvbI Avcwb gwWUkb Kivi myhvM cveb|
memgq gb ivLebGKUv KvR bv Kivi Rb GK nvRvi GKUv
ARynvZ `Lvbv hZ cvi| wK KvRwU Kivi Rb GKUv KviYB
h_ h, KvRwU Avwg Kiev| AZGe mv AvcbvK h gw
w`qQb Zv eenvi Ki weK ei Kib| GB ebUvK KvR
jvMvbvi Pv Kib|
ck : Avwg XvKv _K bvivqYM Awdm Kwi, evm hvZvqvZ cvq 40
wgwbU| evm gwWUkbi mgq gvS gvS mPZb nq DwVevm GLb
Kvb RvqMvq cuQjv! Avgvi wK gwWUkb nQ? Kx Kiev?
Di : GUv mgqi Lye myì menvi nQ| G gvS gvS
jfj fO MjI Kvbv mgmv bB| GK mgq Af nq hveb|
Ze wmU em cv `yUv mvgbi wmUi mv_ Ggbfve Vm w`q
ivLeb, hvZ Mvwo nVvr eK KljI Avcbvi Kvbv Amyweav bv nq|
Avi gwWUkbi AvM Avcbvi mv_i evM ev g~jevb wRwbmc
hvZ mveavb _vK mUv wbwZ Ki beb|
ck : Avwg hLb gwWUkb Kwi ZLb Avgvi mvbiv Avgvi Mvqi Ici
em _vK, uZvuwZ Ki, Pzj ai Uvb, G Aevq gwWUkb nq wK?
120
Di : Lye fvjv gwWUkb nq| mvbiv Avcbvi mv_ uZvuwZ Kie

bv Zv wK AviK gwnjvi mv_ wMq uZvuwZ Kie? m Zv evS h,
uZvuwZi RvqMv Avgvi GB GKUvB|
GZ gwWUkbi wKQy ne bv| DwRZ bv nj gwWUkbi
jfj b nq bv| AZGe mvb uZvuwZ Kij Avbw`Z neb, Kqw`b
ci `Leb Zvì uZvuwZi Drmvn Kg MQ|
Avgvì `ki GKRb Lye eo jLK Ges Avjg wQjb|
Bmjvgi Ici AbK eB AvQ Zvi| Avwg hLb mvsevw`K wQjvg
GKw`b Zvi mvvrKvi wbZ wMqwQjvg| wMq `wL Zvi Uwej,
gSZ me Qovbv-wQUvbv eB| gvkvj-vn Zvi mvbi msLvI wQjv
ek| Zviv KD eBqi Ici jvdvQ, KD Uwej jvdvjvwd KiQ,
`yBRb Nvoi Ici em AvQ Ges H Aevq Dwb wjL PjQb| Avwg
wRm Kijvg, Gfve jLb Kx Ki? Dwb ejjbIiv KieUv Kx|
Iì GKUv KvR e Ki iLwQ, Avwg Avgvi KvR KiwQ|
mvbi cwZ KLbI wei neb bv| mvb Zv mvbB| evPv
ejB Zv uZvuwZ Ki| AviKUz hLb eo ne ZLb `Leb m-I
Avcbvi cvk em AvQ|
ck : gwWUkbi mgq Pz^Ki Aevb Abymvi Di-`wY nq emZ
ne wK bv| bvwK Py^Ki mv_ wgj ivLvi Kvbv ìKvi bB| KvbUv
fvjv nq, Pz^Ki gZv Di-`wY bv wK hKvbv w`K gyL Ki emv?
Di : hLb mvabvi c_ AMmi neb ZLb bvbvRb bvbviKg K_v
eje| Avmj gwWUkb Di-`wY, c~e-cwg ej wKQy bB| me
w`K Avj-vni| ZvB h w`KB gyL Ki emeb ZvZB gwWUkb ne|
ay gbUvK GKvM KiZ ne hv fveQb Zvi Ici|
Kvb gwWUkb Kiev?

ck : Kvmi ci h 40 w`b gwWUkb KiZ ejv nqmUv wK wbw`
Kvbv gwWUkb KiZ ne bv hKvbv gwWUkb nj Pje?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
121
Di : Kvmi ci 40 w`b wkw_jvqb gwWUkb Lye iZc~Y| hviv

wbivgqi gwWUkb KiQb Zviv wbivgq-1 Ges wbivgq-2 Avi
wbivgq bv Kij wkw_jvqb GKevi Ges Ab hKvbv gwWUkb 40
w`b Kieb|
ck : AbK welq gwWUkb AvQ| KLb KvbUv Kiv DwPZ? w`b
`yBevi gwWUkbi mgq wkw_jvqbi mv_ Avi KvbUv Kiv DwPZ? me
welq gwWUkb wbq Kvbv wkwWDj Zwi Kiv wK me? G evcvi
AvjvPbv Kij AbKiB DcKvi ne|
Di : GLb wK myweav AvQ| hgb gbQwei KvmU, mvBW-GZ
wkw_j cwqvq gbi evwo hvQb| AZGe wkw_jvqb gwWUkb bv
Ki Avcwb gbQwe G mvBW KijI wkw_jvqbi mgvb DcKvi
cveb| Avevi wbivgqi KvmU/ wmwW bî 6, mUviI mvBW G nQ
wkw_j cwqvq gbi evwoZ hvIqv| A_vr wkw_jvqb-1, gbQwe-1 Ges
wbivgq-1GB wZbUvi hKvbv GKUv KiZ cvib| Gi mv_ Avcwb
myLx Rxeb ev Ab hKvbv gwWUkb KiZ cvib|
GKK mgq GKK gwWUkb Kib| KLbv hw` gb GKUz Lvivc
_vK Zvnj mKvj-weKj Avbì gwWUkb Kib| gb fvjv nq
hve| hw` nxbbZvq fvMbKx Kieb? 9 bî KvmUi nI DbZ
wki| hw` gvbyli mvgb hZ jv jvM, RoZv-msKvP _vK,
Zvnj 9 bîi we mvBW jv, msKvP, RoZv| cvwievwiK mK
fvjv Kivi Rb wekl gwWUkb iqQ| hviv cv_bvq Avb` cvb
Zvì Rb mveRbxb cv_bvi gwWUkb iqQ| KviAvbi `vqvi
gwWUkb iqQ| A_vr hv hv gwWUkb iqQ mjv cqvRbgZv
Avcwb eenvi KiZ cvib| G evcvi Avcwb cyivcywi ^vaxb|
ck : cvq Pvi eQi AvM Avgvi bvfvm eK WvDb nq| wK wkv_x
Kvm Kivi ci wbgM covkvbv gwWUkbwU Abykxjb KiZ Lye fvjv
jvM| wbqwgZ G gwWUkb Kivi dj Avgvi wZkwi AmvaviY
DbwZ nqQ| gv_v Vvv nqQ| hKvbv cwiwwZ mnR gvKvejv
KiZ cviwQ| ivZ G gwWUkbwU KiZ Avgvi Lye fvjv jvM|
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Avevi Abvb kvixwiK mgmvi KviY wbivgqi gwWUkb Kivi

cqvRbxqZv Abyfe Kwi| Avevi cwZw`b gbQwe Abykxjb KiZ BQ
Ki| Avevi wbqwgZ ivM vf `ytL fq BZvwì gwWUkbI KiZ
BQ Ki| w`b AZ GKevi wkw_jvqb Kiv AZ cqvRbxq|
GZjv gwWUkbi ga Kxfve mg^q Kiev| Dj-L, h MZ cvq
`yB gvm hveZ gwWUkb Kiv nQ bv| Avwg Avevi gwWUkb KiZ
PvB| cqvRbxq w`K-wb`kbv w`j KZ nev|
Di : AbK wKQyi wfo nvwiq hveb bv| hKvbv GKwU welq
gvvi nZ ne| KkjUv Lye mnR| Avcwb Mfxi wkw_jvqb Kib,
hLb wgDwRK i ne Avcwb gbQwe `Lyb| Gici wnwjs mUvi Pj
hvb| wnwjs kl Kgv mUvi hZ PvBj Avevi ìevi K wdi
Avmyb| Zvici wbqggZv Kgv mUvi hvb|
A_vr wkw_jvqb gwWUkb Avcwb gbQwe, wnwjs, Kgv mUvime
GKmv_B KiZ cvib| GQvov gvS gvS Ab gwWUkbI KiZ
cvib| wKQyw`b wkw_jvqb Kib mKvjejv, Gici BQ nj Avbì
gwWUkb KiZ cvib, ebi gwWUkb KiZ cvib| A_vr
hZjv gwWUkb AvQ Avcwb BQgZv cwieZb Ki PPv KiZ
cvib| wK c_g wfw nQ wkw_jvqb|
Avcbvi hnZz bvfvm eKWvDb nqwQjv Avi wbgM covkvbvi
gwWUkb Avcbvi fvjv jMQ, wbqwgZ PPvq Avcwb DcKvi
cqQb, GB gwWUkbwU Avcwb ivZi ejvq Kieb| Zvnj `yUv
gwWUkbi ga mewKQyB Pj AvmQ| Avi fq `~i Kivi Rb
AUvmvRkb èb| cwZwU welqi Rb Avjv`v gwWUkb Kivi
mgq ev myhvM _vK bv| m AUvmvRkb èb| AUvmvRkb
eBwU hLb coeb, Dcjw KiebGLvb Rxebi cwZwU w`K mK
BwZevPK AUvmvRkb `qv AvQ|
ck : gwWUkb gbi vf `~i Kivi ciI iq Mj| Kx Kiv hvq?
Di : GUvK Aviv KqKevi mvd KiZ ne| AbK gqjv AvQ hv
GKevi mvd Kij hvq bv, IUvK wZxqevi, ZZxqevi cwivi KiZ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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nq| GUvI miKg| wKQyw`b ivM-vfi gwWUkb PPv Kib|

`Leb `~i nq MQ|
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Di : GUv Avmj ejv gykwKj| KvjK _KI Pj hZ cvi| ci
_KI Pj hZ cvi| Avcwb hZ AvwiKZvi mv_ PPv Kieb ZZ
ZvovZvwo gbi evN AvcbvK Qo cvjve| Avi memgq AUvmvRkb
èb, Avwg mvnmx! Avwg mvnmx!
ck : eemvwqK mdjZvi Rb Kvb gwWUkbwU Kiv cqvRb?
Di : eemvwqK mdjZvi Rb cZKw`b mKvjejv gbQwei
gwWUkb Kieb| mKvj Nyg fvOZB w`b i Kieb kvKi
Avjnvg`ywjj-vn ev cfy ZvgvK abev` ej| Zvici gbQwei
gwWUkb eemvq h aibi mdjZv Pvb, mB mdjZvK `Lyb|
gwWUkb w`bi KvRi QK Zwi Kib| `LybcwZwU KvR myìfve
KiZ cviQb| eemvwqK mdjZv Avme|
ck : Avwg QvUejv _KB BUvfvU UvBci Qj| GB mgmv _K
cwivY cZ Avgvi Kvb gwWUkb Kiv DwPZ?
Di : Avcwb AvM `Lb h, Avcbvi G AgywLZv Avcbvi wZ
KiQ wK bv| G AgywLZv hw` AvcbvK mRbkxj KvR I GKv h
KvR Kiv hvq mjvZ ` Ki Zvj Zvnj GB AgywLZv Avcbvi
Rb Lye fvjv| Avi hw` gb Kib h, G AgywLZvi KviY Avcbvi
ga GK aibi nxbbZv KvR Ki, RoZv KvR Kih RoZvi
KviY Avcwb Abi mv_ wgkZ cvib bv, wbRK wUq ivLb|
Zvnj msKvP I RoZv KvUvbvi Rb Avcwb gwWUkbi 9 bî
KvmU/ wmwW wbqwgZ eenvi Kib, Avcbvi msKvP I RoZv KU
hve| Avcwb Lye mnR ^vfvweKfve Abi mv_ wgkZ cvieb|
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Kxfve jfj fvjv Kiev?

ck : gwWUkbi Mfxi jfj hvIqvi Rb Kvb welqwU mePq
iZc~Y?
Di : gwWUkbi Mfxi jfj hvIqvi Rb dj bq, cwqvi w`K
bRi èb| GB cwqvUv Lye iZc~Y| A_vr nQ wK nQ bv GUv
wbq wPv Kieb bv| hZ nQ wK nQ bv GUv wbq wPv Kieb ZZ
Kg ne| hZ wPv Kieb nQ ZZ ewk ne|
evLvUv Lye mnR| hZ wPv KiQb, Avn& Lye myì gbi evwo,
gbUv ckv nQ Avcwb Avjdv jfj Pj hvQb| Avi hLb wPv
KiQb wKi nQ wK nQ bv, gbi evwo `LwQ wK `LwQ bv| Ubkb
mw nQ| Avi Ubkb mw nj eb Pj hvQ Mvgv jfj|
A_vr hLbB nQ wK nQ bv wPv KiQb Avcwb Av Av Mvgv
jfj Pj hvQb| Avi hLb nQ fveQb ZLb AUvgwUK Avcwb
Avjdv jfj Pj hvQb| AZGe cvidig Kbkvm neb bv|
ay cwqvUv AbymiY Ki hveb|
ck : gwWUwUf jfj fvjv Kivi Rb Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : gwWUwUf jfj fvjv ne hLb Avcbvi `wfw mwVK ne|
hZ BwZevPK I KZwP nZ cvieb, ZZ gwWUkb fvjv ne|
GRb w`b i Kieb kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn ej Ges w`b hZevi
gb co ZZevi ejebkvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn, ek fvjv AvwQ|
wZxqZ, gwWUkbi mgqUv wVK Ki beb| fveebAvwg
cwZw`b wVK G mgq gwWUkb Kiev Ges G mgq gwWUkb Qvov
Ab wKQy Kiev bv| `Leb Avcbvi `n-gb Kwkb&W nq hvQ|
Avcwb ^ZtZfveB gwWUwUf jfj Pj hvQb|
GKwU KvR hLb wbavwiZ mgq wbqwgZ Kiv nq ZLb `n-gb
Kwkb&W nq hvq H mgq H KvRwU Kivi Rb| h KviY bvgvR
mywbw` mgq coZ ejv nqQ| AvRK fvi gwWUkb Kijb,
Avevi AviKw`b fvejb kixi gvRgvR KiQ, AvQv GKUz MovMwo
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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w`B, 8Uvi mgq DV gwWUkb Kijb, Avevi AviKw`b mKvjejvq

DV ò w`jb, `ycyi ejv gwWUkb KijbGZ jfj fvjv
bv-I nZ cvi| ZvB wbR mgq wVK Ki beb h, Avwg cwZw`b G
mgq gwWUkb Kiev| `Leb gwWUkbi jfjUv PgrKvi nQ|
GQvov gwWUwUf jfj fvjv Kivi Rb wbqwgZ gwWUkb,
KvqvUvqb Ges KvqvUvgg KvqvUvqb AskMnYI iZc~Y|
(KvqvUvqb mK Aviv aviYvi Rb KvqvUvqb Aavq `Lyb)
KvmU/ wmwW-Z bv wbR wbR?

ck : gwWUkb KvmU/ wmwW w`q Kij, bv KvmU/ wmwW Qvov Kij
ewk KvhKix?
Di : Avmj `yUvB KvhKi| KvmU/ wmwW w`q KijI KvhKi,
KvmU/ wmwW Qvov KijI KvhKi| Ze c_g w`K KvmU/ wmwW
w`q Kiv fvjv| GZ jfjUv Lye `Z myì nq| hLb Af nq
hveb, ZLb KvmU/ wmwW w`qI KiZ cvib, KvmU/ wmwW QvovI
KiZ cvib|
ck : Avgvi nvRe, Qj I AvwgAvgiv wZbRbB KvqvUvg Kvm
KiwQ| wbqwgZ `yejv wkw_jvqb gwWUkb KiZ Pv Kwi wmwWZ|
wK we`yr bv _vKvq gvS gvS ev` co, Avgvi ck nQ`xNmgq
ai we`yr bv _vKj gwWUkb Kxfve Kiev?
Di : `xNmgq we`yr bv _vKj gwWUkb Kxfve Kieb m ck
AvmQ| wK Avcbvi cqvRbxq Ab KvR wK Avcwb we`yr bv _vKj
e ivLb? gwWUkbK hw` cqvRbxq gb KiZ cvib, Zvnj
hKvbv AevZB Avcwb gwWUkb Kivi myhvM Ki beb|
Avi gwWUkb h wmwW w`qB KiZ ne Ggb Kvbv K_v bB|
gwWUkbi avcjv gyL Ki djyb| gwWUkbmyhvM cj wmwW
w`q Kieb, hLb cveb bv ZLb wbR wbR Kieb| wKQyw`b PPvi
ci `Leb wbR wbRB PgrKvi gwWUkb KiZ cviQb|
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ck : KvqvUvgi KvmU hLb evmvq bev ZLb wK IqvKgvbi

mvnvh GKvB bev bvwK WKmU bev?
Di : Ab Kviv hw` Kvbv Amyweav bv nq Zvnj Avcwb WKmU
bZ cvib| A_ev IqvKgvb w`qI bZ cvib| GUv Avcbvi
myweav Abymvi| Ze nWdvb hZ Kg eenvi Kiv hvq ZZ fvjv,
KviY GZ Kvbi wZ nq| hgb, AbKB AvRKvj Ggwc w_ c-qvi
ev AvBcW nWdvb ev Bqvidvb jvwMq Mvb kvbb| evRviI
AvmQ wbZbZzb Ggwc w_ c-qvi ev AvBcW| gvevBj dvbmUI
AvQ Ggwc w_ Ackb| keY weklì MelYv _K Rvbv hvq,
`xNY ai DPk Avgvì Kvbi fZii keYhi bvRyK Kvl
b Ki `q| GZ keYkwi mg~n wZGgbwK Zv wPiZi bI
nq hZ cvi|
ck : KvmU/ wmwW QvovB Avwg gwWUkb KiwQ| KviY Avwg 15/20
wgwbU Ki gwWUkb Kwi Ges cwZevi AUvmvRkb, gbQwe Ges
Kgv mUvi hvB, Gfve gwWUkb KZUzKz djcm~? KvmUi me
K_vB cvq gyL nq MQ| ZvB GLb KvmU QvovB Avgvi myweav|
Di : Avgiv 30 wgwbU mgqUvKB ewk KvhKix gb Kwi| AZGe
KvmU w`q ev KvmU QvovgwWUkb 30 wgwbU Kiv DwPZ|
ck : Avwg wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kwi| KvmU Qvov gwWUkb Kij
Amyweav AvQ wK bv| wbR wbR gwWUkb KiZ Kvbvw`b
GKNviI Ici mgq jM hvq| mgqi evcvi Kvbv mxgveZv
AvQ wK bv|
Di : hw` KvmU/ wmwW Qvov gwWUkb KiZ ewk mgq jM hvq
Zvnj KvmU/ wmwW eenvi Kieb|
ck : KvmUi gvag gwWUkb Kivi mgq nVvr KD WK djj
Gici Avwg wK KvmU Ub cybivq bZzbfve Kiev bv wK H Aev
_K PvL e Ki bev?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Di : nVvr WK djj PvL gjeb| Avevi PvL e Ki hLvb

_K PvL gjwQjb, mLvb _K Kieb| bZzb Ki Avevi i
Kivi ìKvi bvB|
ck : wmwWZ gwWUkb Kivi mgq we`yr Pj Mj gwWUkb KiZ
mgmv nq| Avcwb ejQb evwK AskUzKz Kbv Ki wbR wbR KiZ|
wK Avevi hLb we`yr Avm ZLb wmwW c_g _K PjZ _vK| ZLb
gwWUkbi evwK AskUzKz mb KiZ Aviv K nq| KviY wmwW Ad
Ki `qvi KD _vK bv| Kx Kiev ejj DcKZ nev|
Di : we`yr Pj Mj PvL gj Avcwb wmwW Ad Ki Avevi
gwWUkb i Ki èb| h cwiwwZB nvK m cwiwwZK cvGKwUf _K myìfve KvR jvMveb|
ck : cKwZi mv_ GKvZZv Ges Kbv, ebGB gwWUkb KiZ
Avwg AvMi KvmU eenvi Kwi| Af nq MwQ H KvmUjvZ,
Avwg wK H KvmUjvB eenvi KiZ cviev gwWUkbi Rb?
Di : Kb cvieb bv| hUv Avcbvi cQ` mUv eenvi Kieb|
Avcwb hw` cyibv KvmU Af nb Kvbv Amyweav bvB| LvgvLv
bZzb KvmU wKb cqmv LiP Kivi ìKviUv Kx?
ck : ggvwi KvW Avgvì gwWUkbjv Kwc Kiv Mj PPv KiZ
myweav nZv| G evcvi mnhvwMZv Kvgbv KiwQ|
Di : Avcwb KiZ cvib, hZjv gwWUkb iqQ me ggvwi
KvW fi djyb| Avgvì wmwW ev KvmUi Kvbv KwcivBU bB|
Avgiv IqemvBUI wjL w`qwQ Copyright belongs to humanity|
ay wbRi ggvwiZB bq hZ Rbi ggvwiZ me Avcwb fi w`b,
Kvbv Amyweav bB; eis GwU AbK fvjv I mIqvei KvR|
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dj cvwQ bv
ck : Avwg gvvmi Qv| cwZw`b GKUvbv PviwU Kvm Kivi ci gv_v
I Nvo fxlY e_v Ki| w`b wZb evi gwWUkb KiI GiKg nQ|
GLb Kx Kiev?
Di : wkv_xì w`b `yevi gwWUkbB h_| Avi Nvo-gv_v
e_vi Rb evqvg KiZ ne| wbqwgZ evqvg Kij kvixwiK `yejZv
KU hve, gbvhvM w`q KvR KiZ cvieb| gwWUkb KiI
GiKg nQ KviY Avcwb Avmj wkw_j nZ cviQb bv| wbqwgZ
40 w`b `yB ejv wkw_jvqb Kib| `n-gb wkw_j nj Nvo ev
gv_ve_v _vKe bv|
ck : Avwg hLbB gwWUwUf jfj hZ PvB ZLb Avgvi cPzi DP
iPvc i nq PvL, gv_vi `yB cvk I gv_ve_v i nq| Avgvi
aviYv RbQ h, hw` mevB Avgvi Rb wnwjs Kib, Zvnj Avwg
m~Y fvjv nq hvev| `qv Ki Avgvi Rb GKUz eev Kieb|
Di : Avmj cyiv aviYvUvB fyj| Avgvì GLvb Zv gwWUkb
kUv Avgiv `yB `kK ai bwQ| cvvZ wK lvUi `kK _K
i Ki gwWUkbi Ici cPzi MelYv nqQ| AvR ch
gwWUkbi Ici hZRb MelYv KiQb Zviv KD GKUv NUbvI
cvb wb hLvb gwWUwUf jfj hvevi mgq DP iPvc mw nq|
AZGe GB aviYv fyj| gwWUkb DP iPvc eis Kg hvq| Avcwb
nqZv gwWUkb wMq Rvi Ki Qwe `Lvi Pv Kib| ZvB
nqZv Ggb nQ|
ck : gwWUkb Kivi dj gvbyli AveMi ZxeZv wK Kg hvq?
Avgvi gb nQ Avgvi Bgvkb fuvZv nq MQ|
Di : gwWUkb gvbylK kvKiMvRvi nZ kLvq| hKvbv
cwiwwZK ^vfvweKfve MnY Kivi, Vvv gv_vq fvevi gZv evovq|
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wK Zvi myKzgvi ewjvZ Kvbv bwZevPK cfve co bv|

mwZKvii `ytLK hw` Avm ZvZ m AveMceY ne, Zvi PvL
cvwbI AvmZ cvi|
hgb imyjyj-vn (m) Gi mx gviv hvevi ci wZwb Zvi gZ mxi
Kcvj Pzgy Ljb| Pzgy LvIqvi mgq Zvi `yPvL eq cvwb cowQjv|
cvwb cowQjv Zvi mxi gyL| GUvB ^vfvweK| GUvB gvbweKZv|
KvRB avb KLbI gvbyli myKzgvi ewK b Ki bv, Ze
AnZzK `ytLwejvmK b Ki `q| AvM Avcwb nqZ `ytLwejvmx
wQjb, AnZzK AveM AvcbvK ZvwoZ KiZv, GLb mUv KiQ bv|
Avcbvi AveM cwikxwjZ nqQ, GUv Avgiv wbtm`n ejZ cvwi|
Avi ggZv Ges AveM GK bq| gwWUkb Kij fvjevmv, gvqv-ggZv
ew cvq, wK AcqvRbxq I wZKi AveM nvm cvq|
ck : Avwg wbR wbR gwWUkb KiwQ| AvRI gbi evwoZ cuQvZ
cviwQ wK bv eySZ cviwQ bv, Kxfve eySev?
Di : GUv wbR wbR evSv Lye KwVb Ges mgq mvc evcvi| wbR
eySZ nj AbK mgq jvM| mnR evSvi RbB wkKi cqvRb,
Kvmi cqvRb|
gwWUkb Nyg cvq

ck : gbi evwoZ wMq Abgb nq Ab Kv_vI nvwiq hvB| `qv
Ki mgvavb èb|
Di : gbi evwoZ wMq Ab Kv_vI nvwiq Mj ne bv|
mPZb _vKZ ne| Avmj wkw_jvqb wMq Avcwb Aviv ewk
wkw_j nq MQb gvb Z`vq Pj hvQb| mRbB gb nQ h,
Kv_vI nvwiq hvQb| Avcwb hLb wVKfve wkw_j neb ZLb Avi
Kv_vI nvwiq hveb bv| GRb em gwWUkb Kieb Ges gi`
mvRv ivLeb|
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ck : Avwg gwWUkbi mgq ay Nywgq cwo| Kx Kiev?

Di : gwWUkbi ga Nywgq coj Pje bv| cqvRb wbqwgZ
AUvmvRkb èb| gwWUkb Kivi AvM cqvRb GKUz kevmb
Ki beb, GKUz wkw_jvqb Ki beb, bv nq Pv Lq beb| wK
gwWUkb Nygveb bv|
q gwWUkb Kij hvì Nyg Avm Zviv KLbv q gwWUkb
Kieb bv| em gwWUkb Kieb| hw` em gwWUkb Nyg cvq
Zvnj cvmb em gwWUkb Kib| Z`v Avmvi Kvbv myhvMB
_vKe bv|
ZviciI hw` KvR bv nq Zvnj ùvwoq gwWUkb Kieb| ùvwoq
gwWUkb Kiv hvq| bvPZ bvPZ gwWUkb Kiv hvq| nuvUZ nuvUZ
gwWUkb Kiv hvq| PvL Lvjv iLI gwWUkb Kiv hvq| Avgiv
PvL e KiwQ KviY GUv mnR| AZGe hLbB Nyg Avme Avcwb
ùvwoq gwWUkb Kieb| `Leb, Nyg AvmQ bv| KqKevi SuvwK
Lveb, wK Nyg Avme bv|
Avi me kl wnme wbRK kvwi eev Zv AvQB| A_`|
50 UvKv gvwUi evsK| hw` gb nq 50 UvKv GKUv UvKv njv? Zvnj
500 UvKv| 5000 UvKv| mUvI hw` h_ gb bv nq, UvKvi AsK
evovZ _vKb| `Leb UvKvi gvqvq Nyg Avme bv|
ck : KqK gvm ai gwWUkb KiZ MjB Nywgq cowQ wKsev
Z`vQb nq cowQ| ùvwoq, cvmbhfveB Kwi bv Kb, GKB
mgmv| nZvkvq fyMwQ| Kx Kij mwVKfve gwWUkb KiZ cviev?
Di : evSv hvQ Avcbvi wbRi kixii Ici Avcbvi Kvbv
wbqY bvB| GRb AvcbvK kvixwiK kwUv evovZ ne, A_vr
wbqwgZ evqvg KiZ ne|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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gwWUkb PvL cvwb

ck : gwWUkb PjvKvj PvL cvwb Avm| KviYUv `qv Ki ejeb?
Di : AbKi GKUz wijv Kij PvL cvwb Pj Avm| PvLi cvwb
Lye fvjv wRwbm| hZ Avm ZZ fvjv| fZi _K hw` cvwb Avm
gb ivLeb Avcbvi AbK `ytL, AbK kvK, AbK e`bv, AbK
e_v hv Avcwb KvDK ejZ cvib bvBmjv ewiq hvQ|
ck : hLb gwWUkb wbRi `ytLi K_v gb Kwi ev AejvKb Kwi
ZLb `ytLi K_v gb co wVKB wK Kvbv cvq bv ev AveMceY nB
bv| A_P Abmgq AwZ mvaviY mvaviY welq AbK AveMceY nq
cwo Ges Kvbv cvq| `qv Ki Gi KviY GKUz evLv Kij Lywk nev|
Di : KviYUv Lye mnR| Kvbv nQ GKUv ^ZtZ Abyf~wZ| KD
KD AvQb BQ KijB Kuv`Z cvib| wK mevB BQ KijB
Kuv`Z cvi bv| nvwm hgb Avm fZi _K, KvbvI Zgwb Avm
fZi _K| hLb `ytLi K_v AejvKb Kib ZLb Avcwb mPZb
nq IVb| AbKUv Rvi Ki Kuv`vi Pv Kivi gZv| ZvB Abyf~wZi
^Zt~ZZv b nq, fZii KvbvUv Pvcv co hvq| AZGe Kvbvi Pv
Kieb bv| Kvbv hLb Avmvi ^ZtZfveB Avme|
ck : Avcwb ejQb `ytLK Dcjw KiZ| Avwg gv-evev nvivB wb|
fvjevmvi gZv fvjevmv AvRI cvB wb| gnvbex (m)-Gi Rxebi
Kjv Abyfe Kivi Pv KiwQ| wbRi Rxeb AbK Acvw iqQ
hv AvM AvgvK AbK Kuv`vZv| Gevi `ytLi gwWUkb Ku`wQjvg|
eZgvb Avgvi Kvbv K bB| Avgvi gb nq, wewfb KviY K
jvMjI fyj _vKvi Pv Kwi| H Kvbv Avi Avm bv| Avgvi Kx Zvnj
gwWUkb nQ bv? Kvmi wkv wK Avwg MnY KiZ cviwQ bv? Avwg
AbK GZ PvB| wbRi fZii KjvYkwK KvR jvMvZ PvB|
Di : Avmj memgq Kvbv Avmvi cqvRb bB| Avcbvi Kvbv hUzKz
Avmvi Gm MQ| ci Avevi wKQy Kvbv Rgv nj Kuvèb| GUv wbq
wPv Kivi wKQy bB|
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gwWUkb gbvhvM wew nIqv

ck : gwWUkb Kivi mgq AbK Dvcvv K_v gb Avm| nVvr
Lqvj Kwi ARv Mvb KiwQ| `qv Ki mgvavb èb|
Di : GUv nZ cvi| gwWUkb KiZ KiZ nVvr Ki wbRi
ARv Abgbfve MvbI Ki djZ cvib| Ab RvqMvq nvwiq
hZ cvib| GiKg hLbB ne wei neb bv| gwWUkb hLvb
wQjb mLvb gbUvK wbq Avmeb| mLvb _K Avevi i Kieb|
Avi wKQy kvwi eev nZ cvi| hZevi gb Abw`K hve, Lqvj
KiZ ne| GKevi Mj, `yBevi Mj, wZbevi, PvieviGUv YZ
ne| hZevi gb Abw`K Pj hvq, Y cZKevii Rb GK UvKv
Ki gvwUi evsK ivLZ ne| hw` UvKvi cwigvY ewk nq hvq, Ze
`Lv hve, UvKvi fq gb Abw`K hvQ bv| GwU cixwZ Ges h
KD GwU Pv KiZ cvib|
ck : Avwg gwWUkb KiwQ Qq/ mvZ gvm njv| AvM gwWUkb
AbK gbvhvM w`q KiZvg| GLb cvwi bv, AbK iKg wPv Pj
Avm, AbK mgq gwWUkbi gvS fyj hvB Avwg gwWUkbi Kvb
avc AvwQ? GLb gb nq h, Avgvi gwWUkbB nq bv|
Di : GwU GKwU gwjK ck| Avmj GLvbB Avgiv fyj Kwi| Qq
gvm AvM hLb Avcwb gwWUkb i KiwQjb, ZLb Avcbvi gb h
Abw`K Pj hZ Zv eySZB cviZb bv| Avcbvi gb nZv Avcwb
Lye gbvhvM w`q gwWUkb KiQb| GLb Avcwb gbvhvMi cwZ
gbvhvMx nqQb, ZvB gb wew nq Mj eySZ cviQb|
GB mgq Gm mvaviYZ Avgiv h fyj Kwi Zv njv gwWUkb
nQ bv fe gwWUkb Kiv ev` w`q `B| Avmj wK GLbB cKZ
gwWUkbi chvq i nQ| Avcwb mPZb nq DVQbgb Abw`K
hvQ Zv eySZ cviQb| GLb KiYxq nQ, hLbB gb Abw`K hve,
gbUvK Avevi AvMi RvqMvq wbq Avmv| hLbB gb ne h, jfj
bB, hLvb _K i KiwQjb mLvb _K Avevi i Kib|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Avcwb GLb h Aevq AvQb mUv gwWUkbi GKUv iZc~Y

avc| wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ _vKzb| hZ mgq hve Av Av
wPvjv w_ZvZ _vKe| Avcwb Bjnvgi i, wèvbi ii w`K
GwMq hZ _vKeb| Avcbviv hviv GKeQi, ò eQi, `yeQi, `k
eQi ai gwWUkb KiQb Zviv G wPvjvK ewk Ki kbv
KiZ cvieb| GUv Lye fvjv jY| KviY GiciB Avcbvi Rb
gwWUkbi Aviv fvjv jfj AvmQ|
ck : `xNw`bi gwWUkbi ciI GLbI gvS gvS AgbvhvMx nq
cwo, Kx Kij Aviv ewk gbvhvMx nZ cviev?
Di : Avmj GUv wbq Zvovov Kivi wKQy bB| `xNw`b gwWUkb
PPvi ciI AgbvhvM nZB cvi| GKevi nhiZ Bgvg Avey nvwbdv
(i)-Gi KvQ GKRb Gm ejjb, Avgvi GKwU welq gb coQ bv|
Bgvg Avey nvwbdv (i) ejjb, `yB ivKvZ bdj bvgvR co, bvgvRi
ga gb co hve| A_vr hwÌ bvgvRi Avè nQ Ab Kvbv
fvebvq gbK wew nZ bv `qv, wK AwaKvski B Zv nq bv|
AwaKvskiB gb bvgvR Lye mnR Ab wKQy wbq fveZ i Ki|
gwWUkbI nQ GiKg| gwWUkb emj kqZvb memgq bvbviKg
fvjv-Lvivc wPv XywKq `q hb gwWUkb _K gb Abw`K _vK|
AZGe G wbq wPvi wKQy bB| DwRZ nIqv ev ivM Kivi wKQy bB|
hLbB Ab wPv Pj Avme, Avevi mv_ mv_ ZIev ZIev ev evwZj
evwZj ej gbUvK g~j wPvq wbq Avmeb|
gwWUkb kvixwiK-gvbwmK A^w

ck : gwWUkb Avgvi gv_v Nviv, ewg ewg fve nq| Kx Kiev?
Di : gwWUkb Kij GKRb gvbyl kvixwiKfve c_g h DcKvi
jvf Kib Zv njvwkw_jZv, ckvw| Avi hLb GB wkw_jZv Avm
ZLb `ni AwRb MnYi cwigvY nvm cvq| Gmgq `n AwRb
MnYi cwigvY mvaviYZ 10 _K 20 fvM nvm cvq| wK Avcbvi
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nqZv GKUz ewk Kg wMqwQjv| GRb gv_v Nvivbv ev ewg

ewg fve jMQ| Avevi Kviv iPvc Kg _vKjI gwWUkbi mgq
gv_v Nviv, ewg ewg fve nZ cvi| GiKg gv_v Nvivbv ev ewg ewg
fve nj H AevZB j^v Ki KqKevi `g beb `g Qvoeb|
`Leb h, gv_v Nvivbv ev ewg ewg fve Pj MQ|
ck : gwWUkb Avgvi gyL Lye jvjv Pj Avm| Kx Kiev?
Di : gwWUkb Avcwb Avmj Lye wijv KiQb| GUv Lye fvjv
jY| Nygi ga hgb AbK mgq jvjv co evwjk wfR hvq
AbKUv miKg| gyL ewk jvjv Pj Gj Kx Kieb? wbRi jvjv
wbRi Rb AgZ| wMj djeb|
ck : gwWUkbi mgq Mjv wKq Mj Kx Kiev?
Di : Kx Avi Kieb! gbi evwoZ Zv KvbvwKQyi Afve bB|
KqviUKviK ejjB nq h, `yUv Wve wbq Gmv| Avcwb Kbvq
`Lyb h, m Wve Gb KU AvcbvK w`Q Avi Avcwb LvQb| em,
cqmvI LiP njv bv| ZvI wgU Mj|
ck : njvb w`q gwWUkb Kij Nywgq hvB Avi wcV mvRv Ki
gwWUkb Kij Nvo e_v Ki| Kx Kiev?
Di : GUv wbq wPwZ nIqvi Kvbv KviY bB| Avmj KLbv
GZY mgq wbq Nvo mvRv Ki Kv_vI em _vKb wb| Ggwb em
_vKjI nvZ-cv boQb, Nvo Nywiq Gw`K Iw`K ZvwKqQb|
Avgvì Nvoi ^fveB nQ memgq bovPov Kiv| wK gwWUkb
Avcwb AbKY mgq NvoUvK mvRv Ki wQjb| ZvB gwWUkbi
ci Nvo wcV e_v ^vfvweK| KqKw`b PPv Kij Afvm nq hve,
ZLb Avi GB e_vUv _vKe bv|
Avi AvcvZZ gwWUkb _K hLb DV Avmeb ZLb mvRkb
w`q Avmeb, hb ^vfvweK Aevq Avmvi ci Avi e_v bv _vK|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Ze hw` GiKg e_v ewkw`b Pj Zvnj eySZ ne nqZv Kvbv

kvixwiK Amyweav AvQ| KvqvUvg evqvg Kieb| Zvnj G Amyweav
Avi _vKe bv|
ck : Avwg wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kwi| wK nVvr Kvbv k bj Avgvi
eyK Kuc IV Ges kvm wbZ K nq| G _K cwivYi Dcvq `qv
Ki ejeb Kx?
Di : GiKg Dcvq ejvi RbB Zv Avgiv| GUv `qv bq, GUv
Avgvì KZe| AvcbvK KvqvUvg evqvg KiZ ne| vqweK
`yejZv AvQ ej Avcbvi GiKg nQ| nVvr k bjB gb
nQMwQ! Avi bvB! wbqwgZ evqvg Kij G mgmv Avi _vKe bv|
ck : Avwg `xNw`b gwWUkb KiwQ, Aek gvS gvS ev` hvq| mgmv
nQ, ^vfvweK Avmb gwWUkb KiZ wMq cvq mgqB Wvb cvq
wSuwSu ai hvq Ges gwWUkb evNvZ NU| Kx Kij `Z G mgmvi
mgvavb ne Rvbvj KZ _vKev|
Di : ^vfvweK Avmb KvbUvPqvi em? Pqvi emj Kb Wvb
cvq wSuwSu aie? Wvb cvq wSuwSu aiv gvb nQ cv Zvi gvwjKK
ejQAvgvK GKUz LvUvI| GKUz nuvUvI, bv nq evqvg KivI| cvqi
gvwjK GUv eySZ cviQb bv| Zv bv nj wSuwSu aie Kx Rb? A_vr
nuvUZ ne, evqvg KiZ ne Zvnj cvqi wSuwSu KU hve|
ck : gwWUkbi mgq PzjKvwb nj Kx Kiev? KviY AbK mgq
PzjKvwb Pig chvq Pj Avm|
Di : GUv AbKiB nq| mvivw`b PzjKvq wb| wK hB PvL e Ki
`g wbQb, gb nQ GLvb PzjKvQ ILvb PzjKvQ| hw` PzjKvq
c_g c_g gwWUkb GKUz PzjK beb Kvbv Amyweav bvB|
ck : gwWUkb Avgvi Lye Mig jvM| AbK mgq nvZ-cv-I Nvg|
Kx Kiev?
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Di : gwWUkb Kviv Kviv Mig ewk jvM| gb nq h, kixi

Ng hvQ| GUvI ^vfvweK| Avcbvi hw` gwWUkbi mgq Lye Mig
jvM Zvnj eySZ ne h, Avcwb KvqvUvg GbvwR wdi Lye Mfxi
XyK wMqwQjb, mRbB Mig jMQ| KqKw`b PPv Kij GB Mig
jvMvUv ^vfvweK nq hve|
Gici hLb gwWUkb Kieb AUvmvRkb èb| Ab mgq
hnZz Avcbvi nvZ-cv Nvg bv gwWUkbI nvZ-cv Nvge bv|
ck : hLb gwWUkbi Lye Mfxi Pj hvB ej gb nq ZLb kixi
GKUv wkiwki wSgwSg fve Abyfe Kwi| G evcvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : Kviv Kviv GUv nq, mg kixi gb nQ GK`g bvB| AwZ
bvB| GUv nZ cvi, Ze GUv wbq wPwZ nIqvi Kvbv KviY bvB|
ck : Avwg gm _vwK| wbwiwewj K gwWUkb Kivi myhvM bB|
AbK UxKv-wUwb KvU| gwWUkb KiZ wMq jfj b nq| G
cwiwwZ Kxfve gvKvejv Kiev?
Di : c_g c_g mgmv ne| wK wbqwgZ gmi mevi mvgb
gwWUkb Ki hveb| `Leb jfj wVK _vKQ| eis wKQyw`b ci
`Leb Abiv gwWUkbi evcvi AvMnx nq DVQ| KviY Avcbvi
wekvm Ges gbZv, Avcbvi bxieZv, ckv cZq AbìK AvK
Kie| wK Avcwb hw` wei nb Abiv AvcbvK LuvPv w`Z Aviv
Drmvn cve|
ck : B`vbxs gwWUkb emZB cvwi bv| gwWUkb KiZ emjB
AyZ GK AwiZv i nq| gwWUkb Kiev wK Kiev bvGB feB
mgq kl| gbvhvM Avi nq bv| G Aevq wK KiYxq|
Di : gwWUkb emj hLbB AwiZvq cq eme, weiw jvMe
ZLbB eySeb h, LyPiv kqZvb Pj GmQ| LyPiv kqZvbi MwU
nQ kL mv`xi wjuvi M| MUv GiKg|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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kqZvbi ìevi| mvejv Bewjm ìevi emQ, Avi hZ LyPiv

kqZvb, hZ Pjv-Pvgyv AvQ mvivw`b KvR-Kg kl me wicvU
KiQ| GKKRb Gm ejQ, Bewjm bQ| KD ejQ h, Avwg
wZbUv Lyb KwiqwQ AvRK| KD ejQ, `ybxwZ KwiqwQ| KD ejQ,
MvQ KvwUqwQ| KD ejQ, Avwg ivnvRvwb KwiqwQ| Bewjm hvi hvi
KvR Abymvi ZvK cyivi w`Q|
AbKY ci Bewjm Lqvj Kijv h, GK kqZvb PzcPvc em
AvQ| Kvbv K_v ejQ bv| Bewjm ejjv, GB, Zzwg wKQz Ki bvB?
m ejjv, Ryi, Zgb wKQz KiZ cvwi bvB|
AvQv wVK AvQ, hv KiQ Zv-B ej|
ZLb LyPiv kqZvb ejv i Kijv h, Ryi, Avcwb Zv Rvbb
Avwg wbR Pjvdiv KiZ cvwi bv| mKvj ejv Nyg _K IVvi ci
ivvq Gm ùvwoqwQ| Gw`K ZvKvB, Iw`K ZvKvB, KvDK `wL bv|
AbKY ci `wL GK gv`vmvi Qv hvQ (GLb h iKg zj, kL
mv`xi hyM gv`vmv wQjv GiKg vb K`)|
Avwg fvejvg h, KvDK hLb cjvg bv ZLb GKB awi| ejjvg,
`L, GB ivì ga GZ wKZve wbq Zzwg hvQv! Iv`Rx Zv
Avmeb bv, KvmI ne bv| LvgvLv GB iv` hvIqvi ìKviUv Kx|
Zvi Pq Kx myì MvQGB MvQi Qvqvq em| wKQzY jvdvjvwd Ki,
wKQzY bvPvbvwP Ki| wKQzY Mvb MvI, wKQzY NygvI| wKQzYGB
h Kx myì dj, dj LvI| Zvici Avevi weKjejv eB cyK wbq
evmvq Pj hve| Iv`RxI Gjb bv, KvmI njv bv, Avi Zvgvi GB
iv` GZ`~i nuvUZ njv bv|
LyPiv kqZvb ejjv, Ryi, m Avgvi K_v bjv| m MvQi wbP
wMq emjv| eB cyK iL wKQzY jvdvjvwd, bvPvbvwP, wKQzY Nyg,
Wvvwj Ljjv, dj co Ljv| Zvici weKj evmvq Pj Mj|
Bewjm GZY wmsnvmb emwQjv| GB b GKevi wmsnvmb
Qo Gm Avgvi cvYi LyPiv! ej ZvK Rwoq aijv| Zzwg Zv
mevg KvR KiQv! LyPiv kqZvb nv Ki ZvwKq AvQ| ej h,
Ryi, wKQz KiZ cvijvg bv, GRb AvgvK mevi mvgb GB iKg
Acgvb! Bewjm ejjv h, Avi, Zzwg Zv Zvgvi KvRi WvBgbkbB
evS bvB, Zzwg h KZ eo KvR KiQv Zv wK Zzwg Rvbv!
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Avi, GB evUv wZbUv Lyb KwiqQ, G-Zv GB cRb kl|

wQbZvB KwiqQ, GB cRb kl| ivnvRvwb, GB cRb kl| Avi
Zywg Kx KiQv? GKUv QvK vbi c_ _K mwiq iLQv|
mvebv nQ, GB evUv g~L nj Gi Qj g~L ne, Zvi Qj g~L ne|
A_vr Zvgvi KvRi cfve wZb cRb ch Pje| Avi g~Lì `vm
evwbq ivLv, Avj-vni KvQ _K `~i mwiq ivLv Lye mnR| myZivs
AvRKi miv KvRUv ZzwgB KiQv| mivi LZve Zvgvi Rb|
ZvB hLbB gwWUkb KiZ Mj Awi jvMe, hLbB gb ne
h, DV coZ cvij fvjv ev covkvbvq hLb gb emZ PvBe bv,
AbwKQy KiZ BQv Kie, ZLbB eySeb h, LyPiv kqZvb Gevi
Avcbvi gv_vi ga Pj GmQ| mZK nq hveb| KqKevi j^v `g
wbq gwWUkb ev wbRi KvR gb èb|
ck : gwWUkbi mgq gvS gvS kixi cv_ii gZv fvix nq hvq|
ZLb Lye A^w jvM| Kx KviY GiKg nq Zv ejj DcKZ nev|
Di : gwWUkb Avcbvi kixi Lye fvix jvMQ| Gi A_ njv
Avcbvi `n Avcbvi Kgv bZ i KiQ| gwWUkb Zv IRb
eo hvIqvi Kvbv KviY bB| hv IRb wQjv Zv-B AvQ| Zvnj
fvix jvMQ Kb? KviY Avcwb ejQb Avgvi fvix jvMQ| Avcbvi
`n hLb Avcbvi GB Kgv bQ, Ab KgvjvI be| GUv Lye
fvjv jY|
ck : gwWUkb Avwg Lye bovPov Kwi| Kxfve Kgvev?
Di : Avcbvi GB bovPov wK Avcbvi gbvhvM Kvbv evNvZ mw
KiQ? hw` evNvZ mw bv Ki Zvnj G wbq wPwZ nevi KviY bB|
ck : gvS ga GK bvMvo ek KqK w`b gwWUkb ev` co hvq
GZ wK Kvbv mgmv ne? wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kij KZUv DcKZ
nIqv hve? Avi hw` ev ci Avevi Kwi, Avevi ev` co Gfve ev`
w`q Kij wK Kvbv mgmv ne?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Di : hw`bB Lqvj Kieb ev` co MQ, mw`b _KB Avevi i

Kieb| GKmgq `Leb Avi ev` coQ bv|
ck : gwWUkbi evcvi Avgvi AvwiKZvi wKQyUv Afve iqQ|
Avgvi gv Lye GKvMZv I wbvi mv_ gwWUkb Kib, Avwg Zvi gZv
cvwi bv| Avwg Aviv ewk AvwiK nZ PvB| Kxfve Gev?
Di : Avcwb h AvMn `LvQb, GUvB Lye iZc~Y| mB mv_ hviv
wbqwgZ gwWUkb Ki Zvì mv_ hy nZ ne| mNi iZUvB
GLvb| dvDkb hLb Avmeb, AbKK gwWUkb KiZ `Leb
A_ev gwWUkb Ki Zvì mvdji K_v beb ZLb Avcwb Drmvn
cveb| Kvbv mgmv _vKj KvDwjiì mv_ Avjvc Ki Zvi
mgvavb cq hveb|
ZvQvov hKvbv KvR Revew`wnZv Lye iZc~Y| mN GB
Revew`wnZv mwZ mvnvh Ki| Revew`wnZv mwi AviKwU c_ nQ
AvZchvjvPbv| cZKw`b mvq ev ivZ kvqvi AvM cyivw`bi
KvhgK chvjvPbv Kib| fveybmvivw`b Avwg Kx KiwQ, KZUzKz
fvjv KvR KiwQ, KZUzKz Lvivc KvR KiwQ| AvRK gwWUkbi
jfjUv Kgb wQjv| cqvRb wbRi Rb kvwi eev Kib|
ZZxqZ, mN AvcbvK mevg~jK KvRi mv_ mshy nIqvi myhvM
Ki è| mvi ingZ Qvov Avmj KjvYKi eo wKQy nq bv| hLbB
Avcwb Abi DcKvi KiebAvcbvi Ici mvi ingZ ewlZ ne,
Avcwb h wRwbmUv PvQb mUv cvIqv Avcbvi Rb mnR nq hve|
ck : Avwg hZw`b euP _vKev, ZZw`b wK mKvj I ivZ gwWUkb
Ki hvev? KvRi Pvc KLbv mKvj gwWUkb nq bv| Avi ivZ
kixi GZ Kv _vK h, gwWUkb KiZ KiZ Nyg Avm| G Aev
_K cwivY cvIqvi Dcvq Kx?
Di : mKvj hw` KvRi Pvc gwWUkb KiZ bv cvib, `ycyi
Kieb| `ycyi bv cvij weKj Kieb| A_vr hLb cvieb Kieb|
mgq KiZ bv cvivGUv wK Luvov ARynvZ| gwWUkb KivUv hw`
Avcbvi KvQ AMvwaKvi cZ Zvnj Avcwb wVKB mgq ei Ki
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djZb| Avcbvi DcKvii RbB gwWUkb|

Avgiv AbK mgq eZvi ARynvZ w`q gwWUkb Kwi bv| e
njB mdj nIqv hvq bv| mdj ZvivB nb hviv eZvi dmjK Ni
ZzjZ cvib| G wbqI M AvQ|
GK dv`vi GK Uvw Kve DVQb| Kvei WvBfvi Lye ivd
PvjvQ| dv`vii gb njvm hfve Mvwo PvjvQ GwWU bv Ki
hvq bv| dv`vi Zv CkiK iY KiZ jvMjb hb GwWU bv nq|
wK GwWU nqB Mj|
dv`viI gviv Mjb, WvBfviI gviv Mj| gviv hvIqvi ci hLb
wePvi njv, `yBRbKB ^M hvIqvi AbygwZ `qv njv| Ze WvBfvi
AvM hve dv`vi ci hve|
dv`vi ejjb, Cki, GUv KxiKg K_v! Avwg mvivRxeb PvP
agcPvi KiwQ, Zvgvi YMvb MqwQ| GB WvBfvi Kvbvw`b Zvgvi
YMvb Ki wb| m AvM hve, Avwg ci hvevGUv Zv AhwK|
Gi evLv w`Z ne|
Cki ejjb, `L, evLv Lye mnR| Zzwg hLb PvP fvlY w`Z
ZLb jvKRb NygvZv| Avi GB WvBfvi hLb Mvwo PvjvZv, ZLb Zvi
MvwoZ h DVZv m Avgvi bvg gyn~Zi Rb fzjZ cviZv bv| GZ
ivd PvjvZv h, h-B emZvMvwo _K bv bvgv ch gvMZ Avgvi
K_v iY KiZvCki, euvPvI! Cki, euvPvI! Cki, euvPvI! Zywg h
KvR KiQv, Zvi djvdj Kx? Zvi KvRi djvdj Zvgvi KvRi
djvdji Pq fvjv|
GUv hwÌ KZzK, Gi _KI wK kLvi AvQ| KvR Kijb
AbK, wK djvdj cjb bv, ZvZ Kx jvf?
eZvi dmj Avcwb ZLbB Ni ZzjZ cvieb hLb Avcwb mwVK
mgq mwVK wmv wbZ cvieb Ges cwiKbvgvwdK wQq
mgqvbyewZZvi mv_ KvR KiZ cvieb, A_vr mywebvmvqb KiZ
cvieb| GUv Avcwb ZLbB cvieb, hLb Avcwb wbqwgZ gwWUkb
Kieb| Zv bv nj KvRjv RU cvKvZ _vKe, KvRi dmj Avcwb
Ni ZzjZ cvieb bv| ZvB Avcbvi mvdjK Aviv A_en, cwic~Y
Ges vqx Kivi Rb gwWUkb GKv Riwi| Avcbvi cwZw`bi
LvIqv-Nyg hgb Riwi, gwWUkbI Zgwb|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ck : gwWUkb KiZ ev bvgvR coZ Mj gb nq mgq b nq

hvQ| G Kx Kiev?
Di : Avmj h KvR DcKvi ewk, mB KvRUvZB Abxnv mw nq
ewk| gb nQ h, mgq b nq hvQ| Avv w`Z mgq b nq bv,
wUwfZ wnw` wmwiqvj `LZ mgq b nq bv, KbmvU hLb bvPvbvwP
Kwi ZLb mgq b nq bv|
mgq b nq KLb? hLb Avgiv AvZ Abymvb KiZ hvB| hLb
Avwg wbRK wWwmwc-b&W KiZ hvB, hLb Avwg Rxebi mewKQyK
PvbjvBR&W KiZ PvB ZLb| A_vr h KvRUv Avgvi DcKvi Kie
mePq ewk, mUv hLb KiZ hvB ZLbB gb nq h, mgq b nQ|
Avi h KvRjvZ Avgiv mgq b KiwQ m KvRjvZ KLbvB gb
nq bv mgq b KiwQ| hw` gb KiZvg Zvnj m KvRjv Avgiv
KiZ cviZvg bv|
Avcwb Avcbvi mvivw`bi KvR wnme Kib| `LebKvRi Pq
AbK ewk mgq Avcwb b KiQb AKvR| eis Avcwb hLb bvgvR
coQb Ges gwWUkb KiQb, GB mgqUv Avcbvi fwelZi Rb
wewbqvM nQ Avcbvi KjvYi Rb| gwWUkb Ges bvgvRGB `yUv
Avcbvi AiK ckv Kie Ges fvjv wRwbmjvK Avcbvi w`K
AvKlY Kie| Avcwb Rxeb fvjv ewk Kieb, gì cwigvY
Avcbvi Rxeb _K Kg hve hw` Avcwb gbvhvM w`q bvgvR cob
Ges gwWUkb Kib| GKUv mgq Avcbvi gb nemgqi Gi Pq
fvjv wewbqvM Avcwb KiZ cviZb bv|
ck : Kvm Kivi ci 40 w`b Uvbv `yejv gwWUkb KiZ ejQb|
Avwg Uvbv 22 w`b `yejv gwWUkb Kivi ci AmyZvi Rb
gwWUkb KiZ cvwi bvB cvq 15 w`b| GLb 40 w`b Kxfve c~iY
Kiev? w`b Kevi Ges KZY ci ci gwWUkb Kiv hvq?
Di : 22 w`b Kivi ci hnZz ev` co MQ, GLb _K 40 w`b
Avevi bZzb Ki i Kib| Gi ga hw` eovZ wMq ev` co
Zvnj Avevi 40 w`b i Kib| hZevi ev` coe ZZevi c_g _K
i Kieb| Avcwb Abyfe KiebfZii kw KZ weKwkZ nQ|
142
ck : Avgvi GLbI 40 w`b 80wU gwWUkb nq wb wewfb mgmvi

KviY| Avgvi cixvi ci Zv AbK mgq AvQ ZLb wK Kij ne?
Di : ZLb Kij ZLb ne| GLbKvi LvIqvUv hw` Avcwb cuvPw`b
ci Lvb, mUv wK GLbKvi LvIqv ne? cuvPw`b cii LvIqv ne|
A_vr Avcwb hv wgm KiQb Zv wgmB KiQb| cixvi AvM wbqwgZ
gwWUkb Kij Zv cixvq fvjv KiZ mvnvh KiZv| Ze hv nq
wb Zv nq wb| cixvi ci Avevi i Kib|
ck : Avwg KvqvUvg MvRyqU nqwQ 2004 mvj| wK wbqwgZ
gwWUkb KiwQ MZ `y eQi, GLb Avgvi ckvMZ KvR GZ eo MQ
h ejvi gZv bv| wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kiv LyeB KwVb| Gw`K Avgvì
kvLvi GK cv-gvvi ejjb, KvqvUvg MvRyqUiv wbqwgZ gwWUkb
bv Kij `y`kvi e cwZZ nb| G welq wKQy ejeb wK?
Di : Avgiv AvcbvK Awfb`b RvbvwQ Avcbvi KvR eo hvIqvi
Rb| gwWUkb Kij cKwZi wbqgB KvR eo hvq| GUvi wK
GKUv P AvQ| PUv nQ GB iKgKvm Kivi ci c_gw`K hLb
GKRb MvRyqU wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kib, Zvi KvR I eZv evo,
wZwb fvjv Aevq hvb| hLb fvjv Aev mw nq ZLb wZwb eZvi
ARynvZ gwWUkb Qo `b| dj wZwb wdi hvb Avevi AvMi
Aevb| GiKg GKUv `yUv bq, cPzi NUbv iqQ|
Avgvì 1g evPi GK MvRyqU| f`jvK Avgvi KvqU wQjb,
A_bwZK Aev GZ Lvivc wQjv h, Kvm wd `qvi mvg_ wQjv bv|
c_gw`K Zv Kvm GjB Avgiv Lywk nZvg| wd w`j fvjv, bv w`j
Aviv fvjv, gwWUkb KijB njv| wZwb Kvm Kijb|
Kvm Kivi ci c_gw`K gwWUkb Lye wbqwgZ| mewKQy wVKVvK|
PgrKvi wKQy cvwicvwkK myhvM Gjv| Dwb UvKv Kijb, AbK UvKv|
mbvKjvY feb wekvj dvi wbq Awdm wbjb, mB Awdmi gvwmK
fvovB w`Zb Pvi/ cuvP jvL UvKv| Gici Kvbv Lei bvB| ew`b ci
Gm ejjb, gwWUkb Kivi Kvbv mgq cvwQ bv iRx| Avgvi
Rb Avcwb gwWUkb KiZ _vKb| hZ UvKv jvM Avwg èv|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ejjvg, Avwg gwWUkb Kij Zv Avgvi DcKvi ne, Avcbvi Zv

DcKvi ne bv| hgb Avwg Lj wK Avcbvi cyw ne? ne bv| Zgwb
Avgiv gwWUkb Kij Avcbvi DcKvi Zv ne bv| Avcwb hnZz
AbK weevb nqQbAvcbvi gwWUkbi cqvRb Aviv ewk|
Dwb Avgvi K_v bjb bv| UvKvi cQb òvZ _vKjb| òk
`yk KvwU UvKvi m` nq Mj| Zvici ewk m` nj hv nq,
Ubkb, AwiZv evojv| eemv wbqI wKQyUv RwUjZv njv| GKmgq
nvUdj Kijb| gZzi ci Zvi UvKv-cqmv Kv_vq Kx AvQ Zvi
cwievii Kvivi Rvbvi myhvM _vKjv bv| GZ m` Zvi mvbìI
Kvbv KvR jvMjv bv| Avmj Avjv cvIqvi ci, kwi Drm
cvIqvi ci Zv hw` KD eenvi bv Ki, Zvi `y`kv K gUve!
ZvB eZv evojI gwWUkb ev` èb bv| gb ivLeb, Rxeb
mewKQyiB cqvRb AvQ| KvR, cwievii cwZ gbvhvM, gwWUkb
mewKQyiB cqvRb AvQ| iuvaZ hgb RvbZ ne, Pzj euvaZI RvbZ
ne| mywebvmvqb KiZ wkLZ ne, ZvnjB Avi mgmv ne bv|
ck : Avwg 293 Zg Kvm Ask bqvi ci weklfve DcKZ nq
Zvi ciievi Avevi wiwcU KiwQ Ges mvBwK, evqvg Ges c_gvqb
KiwQ| wK GLb wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ cviwQ bv| gwWUkb
KiZ MjB gb nq AvMi gZv nQ bv| GKw`b ci A_vr weiwZ
w`q Kij Avevi fvjv nQ|
Di : gwWUkb memgq wbqwgZ Kieb| Avcbvi gwWUkb AvMi
gZv nQ wK nQ bv GUv wPv KiZ hveb bv| Avmj gwWUkb
wK GKBiKg nQ| wK bZzb bZzb GKUv wRwbm Avgvì hZ Avb`
`q, wKQyw`b ci mB GKB wRwbm Avi miKg Avb` w`Z cvi bv,
KviY Avgvì Abyf~wZ fuvZv nq hvq|
nvRxi wewiqvwb AbKw`b ci ci LvB ej IUv nvRxi wewiqvwb|
AvcwbI miKg gwWUkb weiwZ w`q KiQb ej Avcbvi gb nQ
fvjv nQ| nvRxi wewiqvwbI hw` wbqwgZ Lvb IUv Wvj-fvZi gZvB
nq hve| wK gb ivLeb H Wvj-fvZUv iZc~Y| gwWUkbI
Zgwb wbqwgZ bv Kij Avcwb ewZ neb|
144
ck : Kvmi ci `ygvm gwWUkb Ki Avi Kiv nQ bv| BQv _vKv

mI wewfb cvMvg Avmv nq bv| kvLv mjI hvIqv nq bv| GLb
Avwg Avevi bZzb Ki cwZw`b gwWUkb KiZ PvB| Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : AvRK _KB gwWUkb i Kiv DwPZ| Avmj fvjv Kvbv
KvRi K_v hLb Avcbvi gb ne, DwPZ nQ Kvjwej^ bv Ki c_g
myhvMB Zv i Ki `qv| KviY Avgvì Rxeb Avgiv AbK fvjv
fvjv cwiKbv KiI kl ch Avi evevwqZ KiZ cvwi bv GB
AvR Kiev, Kvj Kiev`xNm~wZvi KviY|
GKB KviY Avcwb myhvM _vKj AvRKB KvQvKvwQ hKvbv
mUvi, kvLv ev mj Pj hvb| msKvPi Kvbv KviY bB| Qjgq nvwiq hvIqvi ci Avevi hLb Zviv wdi Avm gv-evev hgb Lywk
nb| AvgivI cwievii nvivbv m`mì wdi cj Zgwb Lywk nB|
Avi KvqvUvg g_W Kvm wiRywfbkb Ask bqvi gvag Avcbvi
GB bZzbfve i KivUv nZ cvi mePq djcm~| Avmj Kvm
wiRywfbkb h KZUv DchvMx m cm ejwQjb AvjvwKZ gvbyl
Movi AMcw_K, wekmvwnZ Kì cwZvZv AavcK Ave`yj-vn Avey
mvqx`| cheK wnme KvqvUvg g_W Kvmi DQvm 14 evP Pvi
w`b Ask bqvi ci GK mvvrKvi Kvmi evcvi Zvi Abyf~wZi
cm ejwQjb x wgmm iIkvbviv mvqxì K_v|
2002 mvji RyjvBq KvqvUvg g_W Kvmi 146 Zg evP Ask
bqvi wKQyw`b AvM _K mvqvwUKvi e_vq fxlY Amy wQjb Zvi x|
xi mmgqKvi Aev Ges Kvm Kivi ci Zvi cwieZb cm wZwb
ejb, Avgvi x GKevi cvq bq gvm giì e_vq weQvbvq q
wQjb| GKRb MwnYx hvi Ici cyiv cwievii `vwqZ _vK, hvZ wZwb
Af _vKbGB `vwqZ _K ZvK hw` Gfve ewZ nq GKUv
weQvbvq q _vKZ nqGKv, wbtm| w`bi ci w`b bqUv gvmGUv
h KZLvwb K`vqK Zv Abygvb Kiv hvq|
mB mgq Dwb KvqvUvg Kvm KiZ Mjb Ges Avwg LyeB Avh
njvg h, Kvm Ki `Lv Mj Av Av Zvi e_vUv Pj Mj| G
wk weKg bigvj| GK`g my GKRb gvbyl! Zvici AbK eQi Pj
MQ| wZwb GK`g bigvj|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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wK Gi ga Avevi Zvi mB GKB wRwbm njv| wKQyZB Avi

mvi bv| KZ iKg Ilya, KZ iKg wPwKrmv, KZ iKg _ivwc
wKQyZB mvi bv! ZLb AbKB civgk w`jv h, Zzwg G Kvm Avevi
hvI| wiwcU Ki| nqZv wKQyUv fvjv ne| Ges mwZ mwZ wiwcU Ki
Avmvi cii w`b _K wZwb Lye fvjv Ges GLbv fvjv AvQb|
A_vr Kvm wiwcU Ask bqv cZK MvRyqUi RbB AZ
KvhKix| Avgvì Ggb AbK MvRyqU AvQb hviv 30/40/50 eviI
Kvm wiwcU KiQb| Zviv ejb, hZeviB wiwcU Kib ZZeviB bZzb
bZzb DcjwZ DxweZ nb| ZvB hZ wiwcU ZZ gRv|
Avi hviv GKUz AwbqwgZ nq MQb, Avevi bZzb Ki i KiZ
PvQb Zvì Rb GUv nZ cvi Lye PgrKvi GKwU m~Pbv|
ck : ew`b Abykxjb bv Kivi ci Kxfve Avevi c~ei i cuQvbv
hve A_vr c_g Kvb KvmU KZ evi w`b KiZ ne? G `Z
avivevwnKZv ARbi Rb Kx Kiv hvq?
Di : Avmj ew`b hw` Abykxjb bv Ki _vKb, Zvnj c_g hUv
Kieb, mUv njv wkw_jvqb| wkw_j cwqvq wkw_jvqb [1 bs wmwWi G
mvBW] Ges gbQwe [5 bs wmwWi G mvBW] eenvi Kieb| G `yUv Pwj-k
w`b Kib| `Leb h me wVK nq MQ| me nj Kvm wiRywfbkb
Ki wbZ cvib| Zvi PqI eo welq nQ dvDkbi mv_ mshy
_vKeb| mUvi/ kvLv/ mj/ wc-mj hveb, gjevi AvjvKvqb
Avmeb| dvDkb GLb AbK aibi cvMvg| hZ cvMvg hy
neb ZZ Avcbvi gwWUwUf jfj fvjv ne|
Ze gb ivLeb `Z wKQy Kiv hvq bv| wKwjq KuvVvj cvKvbv hvq
bv| KuvVvj wKwjq cvKvj nvZi AevI Lvivc nq, KuvVvji AevI
Lvivc nq| ZvB axi axi jfjUvK wVK Ki wbq Avmeb|
ck : `ki evBi AevbKvj hw` dvDkbi mv_ mwq
hvMvhvM ivLZ bv cvwi, Zvnj wK Avgvi gwWUkbi kw axi
axi KgZ _vKe? KviY GLbB KqKw`b bv Gj gb nq h,
cvIqvi Kg hvQ|
146
Di : GUv wbfi Ki Avcbvi AvwiKZvi Ici| Avcwb hw`

gwWUkbK fvjevmb, Avcwb hw` dvDkbK fvjevmb, cw_exi
GK cv _K AviK cvI hw` Pj hvb, Avcbvi kw KLbvB
Kge bv| Avi hw` Avcwb dvDkbi cwZ fvjevmvq AvwiK bv nb,
Zvnj kvwbMi Avgvì Awdmi cvkI hw` Avcwb em _vKb,
Avcbvi cvIqvi _vKe bv|
dvDkb Avgiv h cwievi GUv Zv RweK cwievi bv| Avgiv
nwQ AvwZK cwievi| Avi AvZv hKvbv Kvj, hKvbv vb wePiY
KiZ cvi| hw` KvqvUvgi cwZ Aii Uvb _vK, hZ `~iB _vKzb
bv Kb, Avcwb Abyfe Kieb Avcbvi ii AvwZK kw Avcbvi mv_
iqQ| hgb hw` Avcwb wZb nvRvi gvBj `~iI hvb, gv-K wK fyj
hveb KLbv? eis `~i Mj gvqi cwZ Uvb Aviv evo| GKBfve
Avcbvi hw` AvmjB dvDkbi cwZ fvjevmv _vK, hZ `~i hveb
ZZ gb Aviv KvQ _vKe, ZZ cvIqvi Aviv evoZ _vKe|
Avi hvMvhvM Zv GLb Lye mnR| B-gBj hvMvhvM ivLeb|
ZvQvov me Z_i Rb Avgvì IqemvBU iqQ| AvQ Kvivg|
ZvB hLvbB _vKzb bv Kb, Avcwb `~i bb| memgq gb ivLeb,
you belong to a family| AZGe Avb` `ytL e`bvq dwZZ
memgq gb ivLeb h, dvDkb Avcbvi| Avcwb dvDkbi|
ck : Avwg 39 evPi MvRyqU| Kvm Kivi ci KLbv gwWUkb Kwi
wb| GLb Wvvi AvgvK ejQ gwWUkb KiZ| Kx Kiev?
Di : Kx Avi Kieb! Wvvii civgk hnZz wkivavh KvRB mUvB
AbymiY Kieb| Avmj mvaviYZ Muqv hvMx wfL cvq bv| wekLvZ
PjwP wbgvZv Iqv wWRwbi GKwU NUbv AvQ| Zvi Qq eQi eqmx
gqwU zj wMq hLb bjv h, Zvi evev Iqv wWRwb GKRb
weLvZ ew, evwo Gm wewZ m Zvi evevK wRm Kijv, WvwW
Avi BD Iqv wWRwb? wWRwb Bqm ejvi ciI m AveviI wRm
Kijv Avi BD `vU Iqv wWRwb? evev Gevi Rvi w`q ejjb
Bqm| gq ZLb ò wMq Zvi AUvMvdi LvZvUv wbq Gm
evwoq w`q ejjv `b wc-R wMf wg Gb AUvMvd| A_vr evevi LvwZ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
147
mK zj kvbvi ci Zvi gb njv evevi GKUv AUvMvd ìKvi|

AvcwbI Zgwb 1994 mvj 39 evP Kvm Kivi ci 2008 mvj
Wvvii KvQ b GLb Abyfe KiZ cviQb gwWUkbi iZK|
Avgiv AekB Avbw`Z GK hyMiI ewk mgq ci Avgvì GKRb
m`mi cZveZbi wmv| Avgiv AvcbvK mvnvh KiZ PvB, hvZ
Wvvii KvQ AvcbvK Avi AmyL wbq hZ bv nq|
ck : AbK MvRyqUi gZv AvgviI wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kivi Afvm
Mo IV wb| Avwg gb Kwi, wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kivi Rb Aviv
Rvi`vi cPv bqv DwPZ| mj-Gi h Kgm~wP Zv wbqwgZ
gwWUkbi Rb h_ bq| G evcvi Avcbvi ge Kx?
Di : Avmj Avcwb Avcbvi wbRi `vwqZ hw` mji Ici Pvwcq
`qvi Pv Kib Zvnj Kx ne? mj wK cwZw`b Avcbvi evmvq wMq
AvcbvK eje, fvB, AvRK gwWUkb KiQb wK bv? hw` Zv-I Ki
ZviciI `Lv hve h, mji jvKRb hLb Avcbvi evmvq hvQ
ZLb Avcwb MnKgxK ejQbGB ej, ej, evmvq bvB| Avcwb hw`
Ici DVZ bv Pvb Zvnj Vj Vj AvcbvK Ici IVvbv hve bv|
eis euvk w`q VjZ Mj AvcbviI wec` ne, euvkiI wec` ne|
GZv myhvM-myweavi ga hw` Avcwb wbqwgZ Afvm KiZ bv cvib
Zvnj eySZ ne, Avcwb Af ei ga AvQb| GB ei evBi
AvcbvKB wbR D`vM eiZ ne|
PPv : wewfb
ck : mivmwi gbi evwoZ hvIqv I ei nIqv hve wK bv? bvwK GZ
Kvbv kvixwiK I gvbwmK wZ ne?
Di : Avmj gwWUkb mwVK cwqv AbymiY Kiv AZ iZc~Y|
h h avc AwZg Ki gbi evwoZ hvIqvi K_v m m avc AwZg
KiB gbi evwoZ hveb Ges h cwqvq wdi Avmvi K_v wVK m
cwqvq wdi Avmeb| bvnj wZi mvebv AvQ ewK|
148
ck : DcKZ nev wK nev bvGB wbq Kx Kiev?

Di : GUv GKUv PgrKvi ck| Avmj wekvmB nQ g~j| Avcwb hw`
Wvvii KvQ hvIqvi mgq fveb, `~i! Wvvii KvQ wMq Kx ne,
Avgvi GB ivM wK Avi fvjv ne! Zvnj Wvvii Ilya wKQy ne?
ne bv| AZGe c_g Avcbvi `wfwK cwieZb KiZ ne| AvR
ch cw_exZ hv wKQy mw nqQ, mfZvi hv wKQy `LQb, mewKQy
gvbyl mw KiQ Ges hZ mRbkxj wRwbmme gvbyl gwWUwUf
jfj Zvi ebK eenvi Ki mw KiQ| AZGe DcKZ neb wK
neb bvGB m`n ivLvi Kvbv myhvM bB|
ck : gwWUkbi mgq gb ck Gj Kx Kiev?
Di : ck gb Ki ivLeb| Gici myhvMgZv cki Di LuyReb|
Avcwb hw` KvqvUvg MvRyqU nb Zvnj Avcbvi wbKUeZx mUvi/
kvLv/ mj-Gi `vwqZkxjì mv_ K_v ejZ cvib| Avi GLbv hw`
KvqvUvg g_W Kvm Kivi myhvM Avcbvi bv nq _vK Zvnj Kvm
Ask wbb; ewkifvM ckiB Reve cq hveb
ck : gwWUkbi GK chvq ìevi Avivg Ki emZ ejv nq wK
Zvi AvM Zv evjy nq Do MwQ, emev Kxfve?
Di : Avmj evjy nq hvIqvi ci hv AejvKb KiQb Zv Avcbvi
`n bq| Avcbvi kixi evjy nq Do MQ wK Avcbvi PZbv Zv
AvQ| Avcbvi PZbvK fveeb GKUv Qvqvic, GKUv Aeqeic|
ìevi K emv, wnwjs mUvi ev Kgv mUvi hvIqvme wK
Avcbvi KvwbK Aeqe KiQ, kvixwiKfve Avcwb KiQb bv|
ck : Avwg Avcbvi Kî Qvov gwWUkb KiZ cvwi bv| dj
AvgvK KvmUi gvag KiZ nq|
Di : GUv GK aibi Kwkwbs| GUvKI Avcwb wWKwkb&W KiZ
cvib| c_gw`K GKUz Amyweav ne| gb ne h, gwWUkb nQ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
149
bv| Avcwb cwqv AbymiY Kib| axi axi wbR wbRB KiZ
cviebAvgvi Ki cqvRb ne bv|
ck : Avgvi mePq wcqRb we`k| Zvi Rb memgq gb Rj| GB
gb Rjv eb AvNvZ KiQ| Avwg Amy nwQ| wcqRbi Rb gb Rjv
Kxfve `~i Kiev?
Di : Lye mnR| gbi evwoZ wcqRbK wbq Avmyb| `Lyb h,
wcqRbi mv_ Avcwb K_v ejQb| Nyi eovQb, òv`wo
KiQb| gb Rje bv| hLbB gb Rje Avcwb gwWUkb em
hveb| wcqRbK PvLi mvgb `LZ cveb|
ck : gwWUkb emj gb evi evi Lvivc wPv Avm| gbi evwoZ
fqi wPv Avm| BQv bv _vKvi ciI gb Lvivc K_v Avm| Avwg
fq _vwK h, Avgvi gwWUkb b nq hve| Avgvi gwWUkb wK
mwZ b ne?
Di : Kvbv `ywv ev KzwPv Gj gb gb ZIev ZIev ejeb|
Zvici gbK Av Ki Avevi mwVK wPvi w`K wbq Avmeb|
Avmj AvcwbI gvbyl| hw` KLbvB `ywv KzwPv bv AvmZv Avcwb
gvbyl nZb bv| ZvB fyj Kij ZIev Kieb| wK GUv wbq DrKwZ
nq gwWUkbi jfj b Kieb bv|
gwWUkbi Aceenvi
ck : gbi evwoZ Kx Kx Kiv hve, Kx Kx Kiv hve bv?
Di : gbi evwoZ me wKQy Kiv hve, ay Lvivc wKQy Kiv hve bv,
wbRi I Abi Rb wZKi wKQy Kiv hve bv| Avcbvi gb nZ
cvi Avwg Zv GLb gwWUkb cvwi, gbK KbmbUU KiZ cvwi,
Zv AgyK AvgvK Lye K w`qQ, wVK AvQ, Gevi IK Awfkvc w`q
f Ki `B| gbi evwoZ wMq hw` BQvKZfve Abi Kvbv
150
wZi wPv Kib Zvnj Avcbvi mewb kvw nQ Avcbvi cyiv

wmg kUmvwKU nq hZ cvi| Gici Avcwb Avi gbi evwoZB
hZ cvieb bv, hLb avb emZ hveb gb ne wKQy GKUv avv
w`q Ici Zzj w`Q| GUv nQ mewb kvw| GQvov kvixwiKgvbwmKfve Avcwb wech nZ cvib, `yivivM evwaZ Avcwb
Avv nZ cvib hw` gbi evwoi G kwK Avcwb Abi wZi
Rb BQvKZfve eenvi KiZ Pvb|
ck : gwWUkb nVvr Ki Kviv cwZ Awfkvc Pj Gj Kx Kiev?
Di : mv_ mv_ ZIev ZIev ev evwZj evwZj ejeb| hvi cwZ
Awfkvc GmQ Zvi gj Kvgbv Kieb| hw` Ggb nq h, m
AvcbvK GZ K w`qQ h, Zvi gj Kvgbv Avm bv| Zvnj
eoRvi Avcwb cfyi KvQ wePvi w`q èb h, cfy AgyK AvgvK Lze
K w`qQ| Zzwg Gi Dchy wePvi Ki `vI| wK wePvi kvw Kx ne
GUv Avevi ejZ hveb bv h, ZvK cy Ki `vI, ZvK A Ki
`vI| kvwi fvi cfyi nvZ Qo èb| BQvKZfve KLbv Abi
Kvbv wZ, Abi Kvbv Agj, Abi Kvbv AKjvY gbi
evwoZ Avcwb KiZ hveb bv|
ck : Avwg GKRbK Lye cQ` Kwi| GRb Kx KiZ cvwi? ZvK
Kvbvfve evSvZ cviwQ bv| gwWUkbi gvag KvbvwKQy Kiv
wK me?
Di : GRb Avcwb cQ` Kiv ev` w`Z cvib| hvK Avcwb
evSvZ cviQb bv, ZvK evSvbvi Kvbv cqvRb bvB|
gwWUkbi gvag ZvK evSvZ hvIqvi gZv evKvwg KLbv KiZ
hveb bv| Avcwb weUv jfj ZvK evSvZ cviQb bv, Zvi gvb m
AvcbvK cQ` Ki bv| Avi cQ` KLbv Pvwcq `qv hvq bv|
Avcwb hLbB Rvi KiZ hveb GUv wievD Kie Ges GKUv mgq
Gi Rb AvcbvK cvZ ne| GKUv mgq Avcbvi mg hyw mg
AveMK m cwiZvM Kie| KviY cQ` memgq `yBZidv nIqv
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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DwPZ| Avi GKZidv Kvbv wKQyK Avcwb hw` eve ev gwWUkbi

gvag Rvi Ki Pvwcq `bI, Zvi cwiYwZ KLbv fvjv ne bv|
Avi Avcwb hw` gq nb, Zvnj GUv Avcbvi Rb Aviv wec`RbK|
Avmj Avgiv GLvbUvq fyj Kwi| Avgiv wPv Kwi bvAvwg hvK
cQ` Kwi m AvgvK KZUzKz cQ` Ki| wPv Kwi bvZviI Ab
Kv_vI cQ` _vKZ cvi| Qj nj GK aibi cvMj nB, gq nj
AviK aibi cvMj nB| gwWUkbK cQ` Pvwcq `qvi Dk
KLbv eenvi Kieb bv|
ck : gwWUkbi deeper level-Gi cwZwU K_vB bvwK mZ| mvaviY
K_vi Pq 1000 Y kwkvjx| Zvnj Avgvi evmvq h nKvi ccvi
w`q hvq m h `wbKwU w`q hvq, Avwg change Ki Ab Kvbv
`wbK wbZ PvB| deeper level-G nKviK hw` ewj Zzwg Kvj _K
AgyK `wbK cwKv w`q hve Zvnj wK m Zv-B è? wKsev Kvbv
ezK AvR Avgvi evmvq AvmZ ejj wK m Avme?
Di : Avmj GUv Lye Aevi ck| h K_vUv nKviK gyL ej w`jB
nq mUvi Rb avbi Mfxi i hvevi ìKviUv wK? Avgvi GLvb
M-vm cvwb AvQ, Avwg GUv PvBjB Zzj LZ cvwi| Gi Rb
gwWUkb Kivi wK Kvbv cqvRb AvQ?
Avi ezK evmvq AvmZ ejj AekB Avme hw` ZvK AvM
_K AvgY Rvbvb Ges m AvgY MnY Ki _vK| mB mv_ Zvi
Avmvi gZv AevI _vKZ ne| aib m RvgvwbZ AvQ| GLb
Avcwb ZvK AvmZ ejjI Zv Zvi c me bq|
A_vr h KvRjv Avcwb mnR ^vfvweKfveB KiZ cvib
mjv AvavwZKZv w`q Kivi Kvbv cqvRb bB| hgb GKevi
GK mvay GK MnK ejjb, `L, Avwg PvLi Bkvivq Kxfve GK
jvUv cvwb DVvb _K eviv`vq wbq Avwm| G Avgvi 40 eQii
mvabv| ej m Zv-B Kijv| Mn Gevi ejjv, evev, Gevi Avcwb
`Lyb Avwg Kxfve jvUv wbq Avwm| ejB m nuvK w`q WvKjv Zvi
QjK, GB, GK jvUv cvwb Gw`K w`q hv| QjwU Zv-B Kijv|
mvay nv nq ZvwKq iBjb|
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AbK gwWUkb kLvbv

ck : Kvbv GmvwmqU hw` `yejv wbivgqi gwWUkb KiZ Pvb
Zvnj wK Kvbv Amyweav AvQ?
Di : Kvbv GmvwmqU `yejv wKsev wZb ejvI hw` wbivgqi
gwWUkb Kib, Amyweav bB| wbivgqi gwWUkbmn MvRyqUì
Abvb gwWUkbI mevB KiZ cvib| Ze Kgv mUvi Ges
cv-gvvm gwWUkb cwkY Qvov Kiv wbRi Rb wZKi|
ck : `wi` KD gwWUkb wkLZ PvBj ZvK kLvbv hve wK?
Di : Kb hve bv? hviv Kvm AskMnY KiQb Zviv ZZxq w`b
`ycyi ch A_vr wbivgq K ch hZ gwWUkb AvQ, hZ cwZ
kLvbv nqQ Zv h KvDK kLvZ cvib| Avmj AviKRbK
gwWUkb kLvbv Zv AbK cyYi KvR, mIqvei KvR| Avi Mwie
nqQ ej ZvK kLvbv hve bv Ggb Kvbv K_v _vKZ cvi bv|
AZGe Avcwb h KvDK kLvZ cvib, Kvbv Amyweav bB|
weeZKi ck
ck : gb nq Avgvì me mgmvi mgvavb AUvmvRkb Avi avb
me, Avmj evcviUv wK GZ mnR?
Di : Avmj evcviUv GZB mnR| Avmyb| PPv Kib| Avcwb wbRI
GKgZ neb| KviY hLb AUvmvRkb èb, fZii kw RvMZ
ne| hLb gwWUkb Kiebgb ckv ne, gwK ewk cwigvY
eenvi KiZ cvieb| gvbyl Zvi mKj RweK mxgveZv I mgmvi
mgvavb KiQ gwK eenvi Ki, Vvv gv_vq wbijm cwikg Ki|
ck : eB cov ev fvjv wKQy covi ci gwWUkbi gZv SiSi
Abyf~wZ nq| eB coj bZzb vb jvf nq hv gwWUkb Kij nq bv|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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eB coj SiSi Abyf~wZ jvf Ges gwWUkb `yUvB nQ| G

wK gwWUkb Qo èv?
Di : Avmj eB co bZzb vb jvf Kiv hvq bv| AvR ch hZ
mvaK GmQb, hZ gnvgvbe GmQb, hZ wevbx GmQb KDB eB
_K bZzb vb jvf Kib wb| mevB AvZwbgM Aevq bZzb vb jvf
KiQb| eB _K hv cvIqv hvq me cyibv vb| wbDUb Zvi m~
Kvbv eB _K cvb wb| AvBbvBbi w_Iwi Ad wijwUwfwU Kvbv
eB _K cvIqv hvq wb|
hZ wevbx AvR ch cw_exZ GmQb Zviv Kvbv m~ eB _K
cvb wb| m~ Avwevi KiQb AvZwbgM Aevq| mUv eBq GmQ
Ges eB co Avgiv Zv RbwQ| A_vr bZzb vb wK eB _K cvIqv
hvq bv| h KviY hyM hyM Kvj Kvj hviv cw_exK wKQy `vb KiQb
Zviv gwWUkb KiQb| bZzb vb jvf Kiebm DkB Avcbvi
gwWUkb Kiv DwPZ|
ck : gwWUkb w`q hw` me PvIqvB cvIqv me nq, Zvnj gvbyl
GLbv gwWUkbi w`K AvK nQ bv Kb|
Di : bv Rvbvi Rb| RvbZ Zv ne h, KvbUv w`q Kx cvIqv
hvq| KvUv RvqMvq `yevNvm wPc im w`j iiY e nq hvq, GUv
bv Rvbj Zv Avcwb `yevNvm dj WUji Rb òvebB|
Avgvì Aev wK Zv-B nQ| Avgiv Avgvì mg mgvavb KvQ
iL `~i òvwQ| ZvB hZ ZvovZvwo Rvbev ZZ Avgvì gj|
ck : mywbw` j wi Ki hw` QK AvKvi KvRwU Kiv hvq Zvnj
Zv mvdj AekB Avme| Ze wbqwgZ gwWUkbi cqvRb Kb?
Di : wbqwgZ gwWUkb Avmj QK Abymvi KvR Kivi AbyciYv
hvMve| gbK wi KiZ bv cvij, gbi Ici wbRi wbqY cwZv
KiZ bv cvij QK Abymvi PjZ cvieb bv| hviv QK Abymvi KvR
Kib Zviv nq gwWUkb bv nq Ab wKQy Abykxjb Kib| Kvbv wKQy
Abykxjb Qvov KLbv QK Abymvi KvR Kiv me bq|
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ck : Kvm Gm mevi c wK avbi i cuQvbv me?

Di : nuv, mevi cB avbi i ev gwWUwUf jfj hvIqv me
Ges GUv gvbyli RbMZ gZv| Avmj avbi i Avcwb wK
ninvgkvB hvQb| em _vKZ _vKZ hLbB PvLi cvZv GKUz fvix
nZ i Kijv, Avcwb Avjdv jfj Pj Mjb| Avjdv jfj
hvIqvi Rb Kvbv cwkYi cqvRb bvB|
cwkY cqvRb aygv Avjdv jfj AbKY _vKZ cvivi
Rb| hgb, b`xZ nveyWyey LvIqvi Rb Kvbv cwkYi ìKvi
bvB| wK fm _vKvi Rb cwkYi ìKvi AvQ| Zgb mvaviY
gvbyl hLb em _vK ZLb Avjdv _K `Z w_Uv, Zvici Wv
jfj Pj hvq, A_ev Avjdv-w_Uv, w_Uv-Avjdv Ki| cwkY
cqvRb Avjdv jfj 30/40 wgwbU/ 1 Nv _vKZ cvivi Rb|
Avi wevb G KvR Avgvì Rb Lye mnR Ki w`qQ| Avgiv
avbi i hvIqvi Rb gbvwevbi AvaywbK m~jvB mnRfve
eenvi KiwQ|
GKviYB KvqvUvg g_W Kvm AskMnYi Rb Kvbv c~e
hvMZvi cqvRb nq bv| hviv evsjv evSb Ges Pqvi emZ cvib
ZvivB Kvm Ask wbZ cvib|
AbKB gb Kib GKUv Pqvi Pviw`b 40 Nv Kvm Kiv Lye
KKi evcvi ne| wK Av` Zv bq| GUv mvaviYfveB Avb``vqK
mnR evcvi| 1994 mvji NUbv| cqvZ Kwe kvgmyi ivngvb ZLb
gvS gvSB ek Amy nq coQb| Zvi Nwb ez AvwRR gni
ZvK ejjb, Zzwg gnvRvZKi KvqvUvg Ki| fvjv nq hve| Kwe
kvgmyi ivngvb hnZz c~e cwiwPZ, wZwb dvb Ki Avgvi KvQ RvbZ
PvBjb KvqvUvg mK| hLb bjb cwZw`b 10 Nv Ki Pvi w`b
40 Nv Kvm, Pqvi em _vKZ newZwb ejjb, Avwg Zv 10 Nv
qB _vKZ cvwi bv| GZ K| Avi em _vKv Ame| Avgiv
ejjvgAvmb| Avcbvi Lye fvjv jvMe| Pvi w`b 40 Nv wZwb
GKUv mvaviY Pqvi em wQjb| Ges em _K gwWUkb KiZ
KiZB AbK my I fvjv nq DVjb| Gici `xNw`b wZwb AvMi
Pq AbK my wQjb|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ck : gqì gwWUkb Kivi ìKvi wK? Avgvi Zv gb nq Zviv

GgwbZB Avjdv jfj _vK|
Di : Avmj gwWUkb Avgiv Avjdv jfjUvK eenvi KiwQ
Avgvì cZKi gaB h Ab mvebv, h Ab kw iqQ mB
mvebvi weKvk NwUq ZvK wbRi Ges gvbeZvi KjvY eenvi Kivi
Rb| GLvb gq Ges Qj ej Kvbv K_v bB| meviB gwWUkb
kLv DwPZ Ges PPv Kiv DwPZ|
gwWUkb Kvm cieZx KiYxq

ck : KvqvUvg g_W Kvm Kivi ci Avgvi cieZx KiYxq Kx?
Di : KvqvUvg g_W Kvm Kivi ci Avcbvi wKQy KiYxq iqQ|
Kvmi gvag Avcwb RxebK mdj Kivi h evwbK m~jv nvZ
cqQb ZvK Aviv fvjvfve cqvM Ki Rxeb mdj nIqvi Rb
wbqwgZ Abykxjb I dvDkbi mv_ GKvZ nvb|
o w`b i Kib BwZevPK `wfw wbq| mKvj Nyg fvOZB
ejyb, kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn/ nwi Ig!/ _vsKm MW ev cfy Avwg KZ
bZzb GKwU w`bi Rb| mvivw`b kZevi ejyb, my `n ckv gb
Kge myLx Rxeb|
o cwZw`b `yevi gwWUkb Kib| GKevi wkw_j cwqvq
wkw_jvqb [wmwW-1, mvBW-G]| AviKevi myLx Rxeb/ gbQwe [wmwW-5]/
mveRbxb cv_bvi gwWUkb| wkv_xiv Kib wkv_x gbQwe [wmwW31]| wbivgqi Rb [wmwW-6] I `n-gbK Avb` c-vweZ Kivi Rb
Kib gwWUkb Avb` [wmwW-10]|
o KvqvUvg kw msnZ Kivi Rb cwZw`b `yB `dvq 30 wgwbU
wnme GK Nv Ki 40 _K 57 w`bi ga 40 Nv gwWUkb
mb Kib|
o cwieviK AvjvwKZ Kib| enwZeviK cvjb Kib
cvwievwiK wèm wnme| cwievii mevB GKm em K_v ejyb,
GK hKvbv ejvi Lvevi Lvb, gwWUkb Kib, gvmi kl
enwZevi weKj AvjvwKZ cwievi Kvhg Ask wbb| Avcbvi
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cwievi ckvw I cvPzh Aviv evoe|

o cwZ gjevi AvjvKvqb Kvhg Ask wbb| XvKvi KvKivBj
KvqvUvg gwWUkb nj mvivw`b gvU 10wU mkb AbywZ nq G
Kvhg| GQvovI XvKvi ebkx Kvhvjqmn dvDkbi PMvg,
ivRkvnx I wgicyi mUvi GKvwaK mkb AbywZ nq AvjvKvqb
Kvhg| AvjvwKZ Rxebi Ici welqwfwK AvjvPbv, gwWUkb I
KvDwjsqi G Kvhg Avcbvi AvZxq I ezK mv_ wbq AvmZ
cvib| GZ Avcbvi AMZ kw evoZ _vKe|
o XvKvq gvmi c_g eyaevi KvqvUvg MvRyqUì Rb cv
Rvjvwj AbywZ nq| GZ Ask wbb|
o cwZ evi mKvj 9:30 wgwbU Avcbvi wbKUeZx mUvi/
kvLv/ mj/ wc-mj-Gi mv`vKvqb Kvhg wbqwgZ Ask wbb|
o my^vi Rb wbqwgZ KvqvUvg evqvg Kib|
o wbRi I cwiwPZì wbivgq I mvdj Kvgbvq m`Kv wnwjsq
bvg w`b|
o myhvM cjB Kvm wiRywfbkb Ask wbb| GZ Pvi w`bi
KvqvUvg g_W KvmK Avcwb Abyfe Kieb Dcjwi bZzb gvvq|
cvij cwZeQi `yB evi Ki Kvm wiRywfbkb Kib|
o wnibq gbZvi kwK Abyfe KiZ nj Ask wbb evìevbi
jvgvq KvqvUvgg 3 w`bevcx KvqvUvqb|
o jvgvi KvqvUvgg KvqvUvg mvdvwi GK PgrKvi AvqvRb|
KvqvUvggi cvKwZK cwigj cvq cwZ gvmB AbywZ nQ G
mvdvwi| gYi ewPgq ^v` DcfvM KiZ mcwievi Ask wbb|
o dvDkbi IqemvBU www.quantummethod.org.bd
wfwRU Kib| GZ hKvbv mgq Avcwb cveb dvDkb mK
AvcWUW Z_ I Kgm~wP|
o KvqvUvg g_W eB nvZi KvQ ivLyb| mgq Ki PvL evjvb|
o gwWUkbi K_v, Rxeb-hvcbi wevbi K_v cwiwPZì KvQ
wbtmsKvP AvwiKZvi mv_ ejyb| gwWUkbi nvRviv Z_i
cvgvY `wjj KvqvUvg DQvm KvQ ivLyb| coZ w`b, Dcnvi w`b
cwiwPZì| AvZxq-ezì KvmU, wmwW, kvKivbv wWwfwW AvcwbI
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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my nZ cvib, KvqvUvg wekvm I eveZv Ges Abvb KvqvUvg

mvgMx Dcnvi w`b| avbi Avjvq AvjvwKZ Kivi, mwi mevq
mrmN GKvZ Kivi Pv Kib Pvicvki gvbylK|
o Avcbvi ivMgyw, wec`gyw ev hKvbv KvRi mvdj Kvgbvq
AvR _KB KvqvUvg gvwUi evsK-G UvKv ivLyb| ez ev cwievii
mevBK GZ UvKv ivLZ Dy Kib| evsK fi Mj K` ev
wbKUeZx mUvi/ kvLv/ mj/ wc-mj Rgv w`q bZzb evsK Dcnvi
wnme wbq hvb|
o KvqvUvg ^Qv i`vb Kvhg wbqwgZ i w`b| ez I
AvZxqì i`vb Dy Kib| ^QvmeK wnme KvqvUvg jve ev
e-vW Kv KvR Kib| myhvM _vKj e-vW Kvi AvqvRb Kib|
o mwVK Rxeb`w jvf cob wkvPvi, AUvmvRkb, cwievi,
^v, cv_bv, myePb I Rxeb KwYKv wkivbvg dvDkbi GKvwaK
KwYKv mU| Dcnvi w`b wcqRbK|
KvqvUv awb I fw
ck : KvqvUv awb Kivi AvM wK Kvbv cKvi gwWUkb KiZ ne?
Di : Avmj Riwi Aevq Zv gwWUkb Kivi mgq _vKe bv|
nvBRvKvi Qviv wbq AvmQ| Avcwb hw` ejb h, I evev, ùvovI,
Avwg GKUz gbi evwoZ wMq wbB, Zvnj Zv ne bv|
wK gwWUwUf jfj wMq Avcwb cZKw`b Kwkwbs Kieb|
gbi evwoZ GB AUvmvRkbwU wbqwgZ èb : Avwg hLbB KvqvUv
fw Kiev ev KvqvUv awb DPviY Kiev mv_ mv_ Avgvi PZbv
gnvPZbvi mv_ hy ne Ges Avwg mB Aevi cwZ mevg
wmv MnY Kiev| KvqvUv fw Ki Avwg hv-B coev, hv-B bev
me Avwg gb ivLev I eySZ cviev| Avgvi hLb cqvRb me Avwg
myìfve ejZ Ges wjLZ cviev| KvqvUv fw Ki Avwg Avgvi
ivM va zavK Abvqvm `gb Kiev|
ck : GB awbi KvhKvwiZv wK AvR _KB cvev? bvwK Aviv
AbKw`b Acv KiZ ne?
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Di : GUv GLb _KB ne Ges Avcwb hZ PPv Kieb Gi kw ZZ

evoZ _vKe|
ck : g DPviY bv Ki ay fw KiB wK mydj cvIqv hve?
Di : `yUvi hKvbvUv Avcwb KiZ cvieb| gI cqvM KiZ
cvieb, fwI cqvM KiZ cvieb| wK hLb PPv Kieb, i
Kieb ZLb g Ges fw `yUvB Kieb hvZ hKvbvUv Avcwb
cqvM KiZ cvib|
ck : mvivw`b fvjv _vKvi Rb GB fw Ki ei nj wK mvivw`b
wec`-Avc` _K gy _vKev?
Di : Avmj wec`-Avc` Qvov Zv Rxeb nq bv| Ggb gvbyl LuyR
cveb bv, hvi Rxeb wec` Avm wb, Sv Avm wb| mdj gvbyl
mUvK AwZg KiQb, e_iv mUvi mvgb civwRZ nqQb|
AZGe mKvj ejv KvqvUv fw Ki eiveb wec` _K ay gy
_vKvi Rb bq; eis wec` Gj wec`K hb Vvv gv_vq mvnmi mv_
gvKvejv KiZ cvib mB Rb|
Gici cwZwbqZ GB fw Ges awbK Avcwb KvR jvMvZ
cvieb| UvwdK hLb Wvb-evg Kvbvw`KB bovPov KiQ bv
Avgvì AbK MvRyqU ZLb DwRZ bv nq GB fw Ki Acv
Kib| `Lv hvq hvIqvi c_ mnR nq MQ| A_ev kxZi ivZ, 4Uvq
nvBIqZ hvbevnb cvIqvi Kvbv mvebv bB| GB fw Ki Acv
KiQb hvbevnb Pj AvmQ| A_evme Mvwo Di w`K hve, `wY
Kvbv Mvwo hve bv| GB fw Ki Acv KiQb `wYi Mvwo Pj
AvmQ| AwZwi fvov PvQ, GB fw Ki Acv KiQb, bvh
fvovq hvbevnb cvIqv hvQ|
Avjvc-AvjvPbv bMvwmqkbAcic wRjvwci cuvP cuvPvQ|
Avcwb DwRZ bv nq GB fw Ki Acv KiZ _vKb| m
cuvPvZ cuvPvZ wbRi cuvP wbRB coe|
A_ev bvfvm wdj KiQbwUPvii ig XyKZ, emi ig XyKZ,
KvqvUv fw Ki XyK hvb| `Lv hve h, Dwb h Rb WKwQjb
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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m cm nqZv fyjB MQb| Ab cm Avjvc Ki Qo

w`qQb AvcbvK|
A_ev AnZzK ev AhwKfve fq cvQb| KvqvUv fw Kib ev
gb gb wZbevi KvqvUv awb Kib, `Leb h, fq KU MQ|
evmvq wdiZ `wi nq MQ| eySZ cviQb h, evmvq AvR
ZzjKvjvg Kv ne| hw` AKviY `wi Ki _vKb, AnZzK
AvvevwRZ `wi Ki _vKb, AvM AbykvPbv Kib h, bv, KvRUv
wVK nq wb, fwelZ GiKg Avi Kiev bv| Zvici gb gb ejyb,
evmvq hvwQ kvwi Rb, wMq hb me kv `wL| KvqvUv fw Ki
XyKzb evmvq| `LebDRbvi cwieZ DrKv| nqZv ejeb h,
evmvqI hw` GB fw Rvb ZLb Kx ne? ZLb Zv Aviv myweav| DwbI
Avjdv, AvcwbI Avjdv| Avjdv-Avjdvq Kvbv mgmv _vK bv|
ck : Kvbv hLb Avwg KvqvUv fw GK nvZ Kwi| ZvZ hZ
ZvovZvwo KvR nq `yB nvZ Kij wK wY ZvovZvwo KvR ne?
Di : bv, Avcwb GK nvZ KijI hv, `yB nvZ KijI Zv, Gi mv_
g DPviY KijI mB GKB KvR ne|
ck : Avwg GKevi eLqvj KvqvUv fw Ki wg_v ejwQjvg| GLb
Kx Kiev?
Di : Avj-vn AvcbvK gvd Kib| fwelZ Avi wg_v ejeb bv|
GB h AbykvPbvi Abyf~wZUv Avcbvi ga GmQ, GUvKB Avgiv
cQ` Kwi| Avj-vn Zvqvjv memgq AbykvPbvKvixK, ZIevKvixK
fvjevmb| wK fwelZ mZK _vKeb|
ck : Avgvi KvqvUv awb-fw Avgvi mv_ GWvW| wK GUv
AciRbK mwqfve Kx Ki cfvweZ Kie?
Di : Avmj Avcwb hLb KvqvUv fw KiQb ZLb Avcwb Avjdv
jfj| mv_ mv_ Avcbvi gbvhvM ew cvQ, Avcwb GKvM nQb
Ges Avcbvi gb ckv nQ, Avcbvi gw Vvv nQ| Ges hw`
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Avcwb gbvhvM w`q Kvbv wPv Kib, GB wPvi dj h eb Iqf

mw nq, mB eb Iqf, Avjdv eb Iqf Lye mnR Abi gw
Pj hZ cvi Ges fvjv KvR, fvjv welq ZvK cfvweZ Kiv mnR
nq| KviY Avcwb Zv KjvYi Rb GUv eenvi KiQb| wZwb
DwRZ bv nj Zvi KjvY ne| A_vr Avcbvi cv-GKwUwfwU ZvK
wi-GKwUf nIqv _K euvPvQ|
ck : Mvwji Reve Mvwj bv w`q KvqvUv awb Ki wmvi evcviUv
Avevi eywSq ejeb wK?
Di : Mvwji Reve Mvwj `qv gvb nQ Avcwb iM MQb| Avi
iM Mjb Zv ni Mjb| iM bv wMq ZvrwYKfve wbRK
ckv Kivi Rb KvqvUv awb PgrKvi| hLbB gb neGB ivM
GLb cv _K gv_vi w`K DVZ hvQ, j^v `g wbb| axi axi `g
Qvob| gbK wRm Kib h, gb, GLb Avwg Kx Kiev? `Leb h,
Avcwb Vvv gv_vq m Aevi cwZ mevg wmv wbZ cviQb|
ivM wbqY A_vr wbRK gyn~Z kv KiZ G fw cqvM Kieb|
ck : KD Avgvi mv_ SMov KiQGgb mgq hw` fw ev awb
DPviY Kwi ZLb wK m R nq hve, bv wK kv nq hve?
Di : c_gZ, eywgvb gvbyl KLbv SMovi ga hvq bv| wZxqZ, GB
h Avcwb awb DPviY Ki AbK kv KiZ PvQb Gi cQb
DkUv wK fvjv bv| DkUvB nQ Avcwb Zvi Dci KZZ
KiZ Pvb Ges mUv Avevi cKvk `LvZI Pvb h, `L, Avwg cvwi
ZvgvK Vvv KiZ| Avgiv hv wkLwQ Zv wbRi Ges Abi KjvYi
Rb| AvcbvK hw` AviKRb Kvbv wKQy DPviY Ki R Ki `q
mUv hiKg Avcbvi fvjv jvMe bv miKg Avcwb hw` AbK R
Kib mUvI Zv Zvi fvjv jvMe bv| mRb KvDK R KiZ
KLbv GB UKwbK cqvM Kieb bv| eis ZvK mrc_ Avbvi Rb,
fvjv c_ Avbvi Rb GB UKwbK cqvM Kieb Ges evSvbvi
PvUv hZ ggZvi mv_ ne, ZZ fvjv|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ck : Uvi `vwLj Kivi mgq mewb ì KvR cvIqvi Dk

KvqvUv fw KvR Avme wK?
Di : mewb iU wbaviYi Rb Kgv mUvi eenvi Kieb|
ck : covkvbvi KvqvUv awbi Kvbv DcKvwiZv AvQ wK?
Di : KvqvUv fw Kij vb ARb mnR nq ejB GK vb gy`v
ejv nq| QvQvxì Rb KvqvUv fw PgrKvi GKwU UKwbK|
hLbB Avcwb GB fwhvM coeb, cov gb _vKe mnR| Avcwb
wkv_x nj Uwej hLb eBc wbq emeb, c_gB PvL e Ki
gbi evwoZ Pj hvb| ìevi K wMq ejyb h, Avwg GKUz ciB
PvL gjev| KvqvUv fw Ki GB eBqi GB Aavqi GZ cv
_K GZ cv coev| hv coev me Avgvi gb _vKe| hv coev me
Avwg eySZ cviev| hv coev, mv_ mv_ Zv Avwg myìfve ejZ ev
wjLZ cviev| Zvici PvL gj evg nvZ KvqvUv fw Ki ivLyb|
Wvb nvZ wjLyb, bvU Kib, cob| h cov Zwi KiZ Qq Nv
jvMZv mvi ingZ `Leb Zv wZb Nvq nq MQ| GZ PgrKvi!
ZvQvov Kvm Kivi mgqI KvqvUv fw Ki ivLZ cvib| jKPvi
gb _vKe| mnR eySeb| bvUI ZzjZ cvieb `Z|
ck : cixvi nj ev BUviwfD evW hvIqvi AvM evmvq hw` fw ev
k DPviY Kwi, Ze Zv KvR Kie wK?
Di : Avcwb hvevi AvM gwWUkb Ki ejeb h, Avwg hv Rvwb,
fvBfv evW Zvi ga _KB AvgvK wRm Kiv ne Ges Avwg
AZ mvejxjfve Zvi Reve èv| Avgvi Reve mevB gy ne|
`Leb, Avcwb Reve èb Ges mevB gy ne| Avi BUviwfD evW
ev cixvhLvbB hvQb Avcwb ay evg nvZ KvqvUv fw Ki
ivLeb ZvZ Avcbvi Avi Kvbv iKg wav m`n mskqwKQy
_vKe bv| Avcbvi fZi Ggb cZq mw ne h, `LB gb ne
AvcbvK ewk wKQy wRm Kivi cqvRb bB|
162
ck : Qviv wK cixvi nj ck jLvi mgq gb gb KvqvUv awb

cqvM Kij KvR ne? cov Rvbv bv _vKjI wK ne?
Di : cki Reve myìfve jLvi Rb awb ev fwZ AekB KvR
ne| Ze Aek coZ ne| hw` covB Rvbv bv _vK, Zvnj Kxfve
wjLeb| KvqvUv fw Rvbv wRwbm myìfve gb iL jLvi Rb|
AZGe AvM g~j KvRUv KiZ ne| G wbq AvgwiKvbì GKUv M
AvQ| GK f`jvK Lye cyYvZv, wbqwgZ PvP hvb| Ckii KvQ
cv_bv Kib| nVvr wZwb Avw_K Amyweavq co Mjb| AvgwiKvZ
cwZ mvn jUvwi nq| H jUvwii c_g cyiviUv hw` Dwb cvb Zvnj
Zvi GB mgmvi mgvavb nq hvq| mgmvI _vK bv, wKQy jvfI nq
hvq| Dwb Ckii KvQ cv_bv i Kijb h, Cki AvgvK H jUvwii
c_g cyiviUv cvBq `vI|
GKgvm `ygvm cvi nq Mj wK c_g cyivi Avi Dwb wKQyZB
cvb bv| GKw`b Dwb Kvbvq fO cojb h, Cki Avwg hw` Rxeb
Kvbv cyY Ki _vwK m cyYi wewbgq njI AvgvK H c_g
cyiviUv cvBq `vI| Cki Zv GgwbZB `qvjy| GZ KvbvKvwU Kij
wZwb Zv bxie _vKZ cvib bv| wZwb ZLb AvIqvR w`jb h, Avi,
Avwg Zv ZvgvK w`Z PvB wK Zzwg Zv AvgvK `qvi myhvM è|
AZ jUvwii GKUv wUKU Zv wKbe| Avmj K_v nQ h, Avcwb hw`
jLvcov bv KibKvbv gB ZLb KvR ne bv| Avcbvi KvRUzKz
AvcbvK KiZ ne| Zvici KvqvUv awb cqvM Kieb|
ck : KvqvUv awb ev fw cqvM Ki wK cixvi nj cixKi gb
`yej Ki `qv me?
Di : cixKi gb `yej Kivi cqvRb wK? Avcbvi vb evovjBZv
nq| KvqvUv fw Ki covkvbv Kij Zv bKji cqvRb nq bv|
ck : bvfvmbm KvUvbvi Rb fw ev k hw` DPviY bv Ki gb
gb ewj Ze wK KvR ne?
Di : AekB KvR ne| Avcwb ^vfvweKfve gb gb DPviY
Kieb| k Ki bq|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ck : KvqvUv awb cqvMi evcviUv KvKZvjxq bq wK? GUv KZUzKz

wevbmZ?
Di : gvUB KvKZvjxq bq| Avgiv AbKB bwQ AZxZi mvaKiv
g, Bmg ev gy`vi mvnvh AvcvZ`wZ AmeK me KiZb|
mydxiv, ìekiv Avj-v, Bqv, Bqv nK, nK gIjv BZvw` bvbv
awbK Bmg wnme eenvi KiQb| Fwliv Ig, Ig Zrmr, nwi
Ig, ni ivgv BZvw` bvbv awbK g wnme eenvi KiQb|
B`x I wL agvej^xiv Avgb kK, Rvcvbx eyiv bvgv Avwg`v
evrmy awbK g wnme eenvi KiQb|
hviv gvkvj AvU PPv Kib ZvìK Avgiv `LwQ nvZi AvNvZ
8/10Uv BU ev cv_ii -ve fO djZ| j Ki `Leb, AvNvZ
Kivi AvM Zviv GKUz cuvqZviv Kib, gbvhvMK GKvM Kib| Gi
ci KzB.. awb DPviY Kivi ci AvNvZ Kib|
GB awbi mvnvh Amva mvabi evLv Avgiv cvB AvaywbK
wevbi mvnvh| Avgiv AbKB KbwWkb&W wid mK wevbx
cvfjfi MelYvi K_v bwQ| G MelYvq cvfjf GKwU KzKziK
cwZevi Lvevi `qvi mgq Nv evRvZb| Lvevii mv_ jvjvi AQ`
hvMvhvM| hLbB Lvevi `qv nZv, KzKzii gyL w`q jvjv SiZv|
wKQyw`b ci ay Nv evRvbv njv, wK Lvevi `qv njv bv|
wK `Lv Mj, KzKzii jvjvMw _K jvjv wbtmiY nQ| cvfjf
GK ejQb Kwkwbs| A_vr Kvbv awb ev fwi mv_ Kvbv GKwU
wekl KvR ev AevK hw` evi evi mc Kiv hvq, Zvnj
AvcvZfve ^fve ev wbqgewnf~Z njI GKwU Aevi mv_ AviKwU
Aevi hvMm~ vwcZ nq|
ìek Fwliv mvabvq j j evi Zvì g Rc KiZb| Gfve
AMwYZevi DPviYi dj GKmgq GB awbi mv_ Mfxi avbvevi
Kwkwbs nq hZ| dj GB awb DPviYi mv_ mv_ `n I gb
gyn~Z kwi i Pj hZ| ewgb I PZbv mshy nZv gnvPZbv
ev KmwgK Kbkvmbmi mv_| AwRZ nZv `kgvb mewKQyi cQb
cKwZi h bc_ `b I wbqg wqvkxj, ZvK cfvweZ Kivi kw|
gvkvj AvU PPvKvixìI Zgwb awb DPviYi mv_ `ngbi kw
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nvZ mgw^Z nq| mvaviYfve AvNvZ Kij hLvb nvZ _uZjvbvi

K_v, mLvb BU ev cv_i fO uov nq hvq|
KvqvUv awb ev fwI Zv-B| KvqvUvg g_W Kvm Avcwb
Ggbfve Kwkb&W nQb hb KvqvUv awb DPviY ev KvqvUv fw
Kivi mv_ mv_ Avcwb gbi ^ZtZ avbvevq cek Kib| Avi
Avcbvi gb I gw hnZz avbvevq mePq fvjvfve KvR Ki,
KvqvUv awb ev fw eenvi Ki Avcwb hKvbv mU DiY G
kwK mePq fvjvfve KvR jvMvZ cvib| GUvB KvqvUv awbi
evwbK evLv| Avi hw` KvqvUv awb cqvMK GKvB KvKZvjxq
gb KiZ Pvb ZvZI Kvbv Amyweav bvB| KvqvUv awb cqvM
Kij `Leb KvKZvjxq NUbvi cwigvY gvMZ evoQ| Avcbvi
wbRiB ZLb gb ne h, KvKZvji evBiI wKQy GKUv iqQ|
ck : KvqvUv fw wnme GB fwKB eQ wbjb Kb? Ab Kvbv
fw wK eQ bqv hZ bv?
Di : evywj I ZRbx mshy nQ, k KiQ, wZb AvOyj wewQb
_vKQGB nQ KvqvUv fw| Avmj G fw nQ Avgvì cuvP
nvRvi eQii HwZn| gnv`viv-nivZ Avgiv h wb`kbjv cvB
mLvb Avgiv G fwi cPjb `wL| Zviv GUvK ejZb vb gy`v ev
Afq gy`v| G fw Kij vb ARb mnR nq ZvB vb gy`v| Avi G
fw Kij fq _vK bv GB Rb Afq gy`v| gnvgwZ eyKI Avgiv G
fwgvq cvB| Avgiv Avgvì AbK gywb-Fwl mvaKK G fwgvq
cvB| AvaywbKKvjI ivbvqKiv, mwjewUiv, AwfbZv-Awfbxiv G
fw eenvi KiQb| eRvwZK KvvwbI wevcb G fw eenvi
KiQ| Avgiv GUvK ewj KvqvUv fw|
Avevi G fwi GKUv gRvi w`K AvQ| Avcwb Wvb nvZ KvqvUv
fw Ki PvLi mvgb aib| `Lyb Zv Wvb w`K _K wKQy coZ
cvib wK bv| Avwjd, jvg, nv A_vr Avj-v| hLb Avcwb G fw
KiQb Avcbvi nvZ Avj-v nq hvQ| Avcwb mvK iY KiQb|
Avi mvK iY Kij fq _vK bv| mvK iY Kij vb ARb
mnR nq| G KviY Avgiv Kwkwbsqi Rb G fwK eQ wbqwQ|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Kgv mUvi I Ai
ck : Kgv mUvi Kx? Ai K?
Di : Kgv mUviK GK K_vq ejv hvq, gbi evwoi g~j kw I
KjvYK`| gvbe AwZi h Ask vb-Kvj (Time and space)
Ave bq, m Ask Kgv jfj cKwZi bc_ `b I wbqgi
mv_ mnRB hvMvhvM vcb Ki| Avi Avcwb Rvbb, `kgvb
mewKQyi cQbB mwq iqQ cKwZi bc_ `b I wbqg| vbKvji mxgvbv AwZg Ki hvMvhvM, Z_vbymvb Ges wbRi I
gvbeZvi KjvYi mKj cwqv mv`bi cqvRbxq me Dcv`vbB
iqQ GLvb| Avi mewKQyB _vK m`v cZ Aevq|
gbi evwoi ìevii evg w`Ki Kvbvq AewZ ìRv w`q 10
_K 0 MYbv Ki AZ myiwZ Kgv mUvi cek Kieb| me
mgq 10 _K 0 MYbv Ki cek Kieb| GwU GKwU njNi| GLvb
Avcbvi Rb GKwU wekl Kgv Pqvi, Aii Rb wekl Pqvi,
wZbwU gwbUwis wb, Wvb w`Ki Kvbvq ing ejq ev Avkxev` ejq ev
c-m Ad we-m, Wvb GKUv ev_Uve, GKwU UvBg gwkb, GKwU gnvk~b
hvb, hvMvhvM, Z_ msMn, gwbUwis, wbivgq I mvweK KjvY mvabi
cqvRbxq mewKQyB Avcwb c_gevi wVKVvK Ki beb| Aek
GiciI Avcwb cqvRbgZv hKvbv wRwbm mshvRb I weqvRb
KiZ cvib|
ing ejq nQ gbi evwoi mePq kvwi RvqMv| ing ejqK
GKUv wvji Lye myì Mvj njNi wnme Kbv KiZ cvib|
hLvb memgq GKUv bxjvf PgrKvi ckvwi Avjv iqQ|
Avevi hviv GKUz avwgK Zviv gb KiZ cvib h, `ywbqvZ
ingZi RvqMv nQ gmwR`| Zviv ILvb GKUv GK M^yRIqvjv
gmwR` evwbq wbb| GKUv MxRv ev gwì ev wKqvs evwbq wbb| A_vr
hvi hvi agwekvm Abymvi ingZi RvqMv evwbq beb|
Zvici Avcbvi Ai, gywk` ev MvBW ev wUPviwZwb Avmeb|
Ai nQb Avcbvi Aii c_ c`kK| ZvK KD i ejb, KD
cxi Kvgj, KD gywk`, KD Iv` ev KD ejb MvBW| h bvgB
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ZvK WvKzb wZwb nQb Avcbvi evcvi AvwiK civgk`vZv, mwVK

w`K-wb`kbv c`vbKvix| Kgv mUvi wbgvY Ki mewKQy wVKgZv
mvRvbvi ci avbi wekl i Aii AvMgb NU|
ck : Ai ev gywk` K nZ cvib?
Di : Avcwb hvK gb Kib h, whwb AvcbvK Rxebi c_ mwVK
w`K-wb`kbv w`Z cvieb, ZvKB Ai wnme MnY KiZ cvib|
Ze h avb ev gwWUkb cwZ ev cwqv Avcwb AbymiY Kieb,
m cwqvi DveK ev cwkKK Ai wnme MnY Kiv memgqB
ewk KvhKix| eve Rxeb Avcbvi welq mK ii Kvbv vb
bv-I _vKZ cvi wK IB i wZwb m welq Avcbvi Pq Mfxi
vbi AwaKvix| Ai me mgqB Avcbvi cwZ evev/ gvqi gZv
nkxj Ges Nwb ezi PqI Nwb|
ck : Aii `kb jvf KLb NUe? iK bv `LZ cj wK
KvR ne?
Di : AiK cvIqvi AvKvv hZ Zxe ne ZZ mnR Avcwb Zvi
`kb jvf Kieb| KLbv KLbv GB `kb GZ ^Zt~Z nq h, Zv
AvM _K aviYv Kiv hvq bv|
Avevi KLbv KLbv ii `kb jvf mgq jvM| GgbI
nqQ wZb eQi wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kivi ci Aii `kb jvf
nqQ| Kviv GK hyM ci nqQ| Ze AiK AejvKb Kib
Avi bv-B Kib, ZvK Abyfe KivB Avcbvi Rb h_|
Aii mvvr cZ `wi njI Kgv mUvi Abi wbivgq I
KjvY mvabi Kvbv KvR cwiPvjbvq Avcbvi Kvbv Amyweav ne bv|
Avevi AbK mgq hvK i wnme Kvgbv KiQb Zvi cwieZ Ab
Kviv AvMgb NUZ cvi i wnme| wK ZvZI Kvbv Amyweav
bB| wZwbI h_vh_ c_c`kK wnmeB Avcbvi wbZw`bi mx neb|
ck : Ai hnZz agxq cyil nZ cvib Zvnj bexRxK Ai
Kiv hve wK bv|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Di : bexRx (m) gvbe k| mKj bex-imyji bZv| Avj-vn Qvov

Zuvi Ici Avi Kvbv vbx bB| Avcwb gv avbi c_g i
XyKQb| AvwZK DiYi i I avcjv axi axi GZ ne|
ck : i RxweZ nj fvjv bv gZ nj fvjv?
Di : i RxweZ njB fvjv| KviY i hw` gZ nb Zvnj Dwb
memgqi Rb Avjdv jfj Pj MQb| Zvi Kvbv K_vi evcvi
hw` Avcbvi gb Kvbv ck RvM Ze Zvi mv_ weUv jfj Avcwb
AvjvPbv KiZ cvieb bv| wK i hw` RxweZ _vKb Zvnj
cqvRb weUv jfjI Zvi mv_ hvMvhvM KiZ cvieb|
ck : iK wK hKvbv ck Kiv hve?
Di : hKvbv mgmv _vKzK, hKvbv ck _vKzK, Kgv mUvi wMq
iK wRm KiZ cvieb| i H i Avcbvi mveR mK
Avcbvi Pq fvjv Rvbb| AZGe wbtmsKvP ii civgk MnY
Kieb| Ze civgk MnYi KqKUv welq gb ivLZ ne|
GK nQ wbRi BQvUvK Pvwcq `qvi Pv Kieb bv| Avcwb
PvQb h, i GUv nuv Ki w`K| i nuv Ki èb| wbicfve
wRm KiZ ne| Zvnj Avcwb mwVK Reve cveb|
Avcbvi hKvbv ck RvK Kgv mUvi wMq iK wRm
Kieb Ges Revei Rb Acv Kieb| ReveUv ^vfvweKfve gb
gbB Avme|
nqZv ejeb KvbUv Avgvi gbi K_v, KvbUv ii K_v GUv
eySev Kxfve? wbqwgZ PPv Kivi ci Avcwb wbRB eySZ cvieb h,
KvbUv Avcbvi gbi K_v, KvbUv Avcbvi ii K_v|
ck : Kgv mUvi Kvb Kvb KvR eenvi Kiv hZ cvi?
Di : cwiwPZ-AcwiwPZ h Kviv ivM wbivgq I KjvY Kvgbvi
cvkvcvwk wbRi KjvY Kvgbv, wbRi AvwZK I gvbwmK DbwZ,
elwqK I ckvMZ DbwZ, mRbkxj I Dvebx KgKv, cvwievwiK I
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`vZ mK Dbqb Kgv mUvi eenvi Kiv hZ cvi| fvjv

KvR AbK Dy Kivi RbI Kgv mUvi eenvi Kiv hZ cvi|
KvqvUvg MvRyqUiv Kgv mUvi eenvi BZvgaB evcK
mRbkxjZvi cwiPq w`qQb| Avmj Kgv mUvi Mfxi AvwiKZvi
mv_ Avcwb Kviv Rb wKQy Kvgbv Kij Zv g~jZ GKvM cv_bvi ic
bq| Avi AvwiK GKvM cv_bv AwaKvsk mgqB eve ic jvf Ki|
ck : gv`Kvmw `~ixKiY wK Kgv mUvi eenvi Kiv hve?
Di : Kb hve bv? GK ZiY MvRyqUZLb m iscyi gwWKj
KjR wZxq eli Qv| Zvi QvU fvB iscyi gwWKj KjR c_g
el fwZ nIqvi wKQyw`b ciB gv`Kvm nq co| eo fvB GUv Rvbvi
ci wbqwgZ `yBejv QvU fvBK Kgv mUvi Gb cvk ewmq ggZv
w`q evSvZ jvMjv, fvB, WvMm LvIqv fvjv bv| GK gvm `yB gvm
Ki Qq gvm cvi nq Mj| wK Kvbv dj bB|
eo fvB ah I GKvMZvi mv_ PPv Pvwjq Mj| mvZ gvm cvi
nIqvi ci dj djZ i Kijv| QvU fvB hLbB WvM wbZ hvq
ZLbB Zvi gb nqK hb Kvb Kvb ejQ, fvB WvMm LvIqv fvjv
bv| wKQyw`b GiKg gb nIqvi ci QvU fvB WvMm LvIqv Qo w`jv|
covkvbvq gbvhvMx nq wbRK fvjv Qv wnme cwZwZ Kijv|
ck : Uvi `vwLj wK Kgv mUvi eenvi Kiv hve? Mj cwqv
Kx ne?
Di : eemvwqK Uvi `vwLji RbI Kgv mUvi eenvi Kiv
hvq| Avcwb Uvii mewb ì Kx ne GUv Rvbvi Rb gvSi gwbUi
(2 bî gwbUi) ev wbi Ici evg w`K GKwU jvj evwZ Ges Wvb
w`K GKwU meyR evwZ vcb Kib|
aib, Avcwb GKwU cYi ì w`Z PvQb 480 UvKv| 480 UvKvi
K_v wPv Ki gwbUii w`K ZvKvb| jvj evwZ Rj DVj eySeb GB
ì mewb bq| Zvnj Av Av ì wbPi w`K bvgvZ _vKzb| 470
UvKvAvevi jvj evwZ Rj DVjv| evSv Mj GZI Pje bv|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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bvgvZ bvgvZ 445 UvKvq hLb GjbmeyR evwZ Rj DVjv| A_vr

445 UvKv mewb ì ne|
GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU GK mgq gx wQjb| gwZ Qo `qvi
ci wVKv`vwi eemvq gbvwbek Kijb| GKUv eo Ai Uvi
`vwLj Kieb| Bwwbqviiv GKwU wbw` A ejjv| GZ KvR cvIqv
hve wK Kvbv jvf ne bv| wZwb gwWUkb Kijb GK Nv|
gwWUkb _K DV ejjb, ìci A AviI GK KvwU UvKv
evovZ| Bwwbqviiv nv nv Ki DVjv, Zvnj Avgiv Uvi cvev bv|
wZwb ejjb, AvgivB cvev| ìc cybweb njv mfve| wZwbB
mewb nq Uvi cjb| jvf njv KvwU UvKvi Ici|
ck : BUviwfD/ cgvkbi Rb wK Kgv mUvi KvR jvMvbv hve?
Di : hve| PvKwi ev cgvkbi Rb BUviwfD evWi myLxb
nIqvi AvM _KB LuvR wbb Kviv BUviwfD evW _vKeb| ci ci
KqKw`b cyiv evWKB Kgv mUvi wbq Avmyb| hfve GKRb
BUviwfD `q, mfve w`b| Avcbvi `Zv, hvMZv I AvbyMZ
mK ejyb| `Lyb, Avcbvi DcwwZB ZvìK Bgcm KiQ| Zviv
Avcbvi cwZ mnvbyf~wZkxj nq Avcbvi h_vh_ g~jvqb Ki Avcbvi
c AwfgZ cKvk KiQb|
cgvkbi dvBj emi KvQ AvUK AvQ| emK Kgv mUvi
wbq Avmyb| emi ig XyKj Avcwb hgb myì webqx AvPiY
KiZb, GLvbI Zgwb myì eenvi Kib|
AvcbvK cgvkb w`j emi Kx jvf, cwZvbi Kx jvf Zv
myìfve Zzj aib| AejvKb Kib em Avcbvi ee Dcjw
KiQb| AvcbvK cgvkbi dvBj mB Ki h_vh_ wb`k w`Qb|
KqKw`b Abykxjb Ki eve emi mv_ `Lv Kib|
wej/ e`wj ev Avw_K myhvM-myweav msv dvBji evcviI GKB
cwZ AbymiY Kib| Ze Avcbvi wej hw` hywmZ KviY AvUK
ivLv nq _vK Zvnj G cwZ KLbv KvhKi ne bv| aygv
AhwKfve wej AvUK ivLv nq _vKjB G cwZ KvhKi ne|
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ck : fvBfv evW ev mdj BUviwfD `qvi Rb wK Kgv mUvi

eenvi Kiv hve?
Di : hve| fvBfv cixv `qvi AvMI fvBfv evW hviv iqQb
ZvìK Kgv mUvi Gb mvbi mv_ ewmq mLvbB Avcwb
Avcbvi fvBfv cixv w`Z cvib| mLvb `Lyb mvwbZ wkKiv
mLvb _KB ck KiQb h welqjv Avcwb mePq fvjvfve
coQb Avi Avcwb PgrKvi Di w`q ZvìK gy KiQb|
Avcwb GKvMwP nZ cvij eve fvBfv evWi mvgb hLb
hveb, ZLb `Leb Avcbvi mePq fvjvfve cov welqjv _KB
Zviv ck KiQb| Avi Avcwb PgrKvi Reve w`Qb| hLb fvBfv w`Z
hveb ig XvKvi mgq evg nvZ KvqvUv fw Ki gb gb wbavwiZ
ckjv wPv KiZ KiZ hveb|
ck : cvIbv UvKv Av`vq wK Kgv mUvi eenvi Kiv hve?
Di : hve| KqKw`bi ga diZ w`q è ej Avcbvi KvQ
_K UvKv wbq wMqwQjv wK Avi diZ `qvi bvg bBZvK
Kgv mUvi wbq Avmyb| Avcbvi UvKvi cqvRb GUv ZvK Rvbvb|
Zvi h `bv kva Ki `vqgy nIqv ìKvi mUvI ZvK ejyb| GK
MvRyqU `bv`vii KvQ _K G cwqvq cuvP eQi ci cvIbv UvKv
Av`vq Kib| `bv`vi wbRB Zvi LuvR wbq UvKv w`q hvq|
ck : cvwievwiK gZweiva `~i KiZ wK Kgv mUvi KvR Kie?
Di : AekB Kie| ^vgx/ x, gv-evev, fvB-evb, ki/ kvwo,
ezeveKviv mv_ gZweiva ev fyj-evSveywS `~i Kivi Rb ZvK
Kgv mUvi wbq Avmyb| Avcwb h ZvK KZ fvjevmb Zv ejyb|
Avcbvì gvSi Avb`gq wZi K_v ZvK ejyb|
Zvici Avmj NUbv evLv Kib| AejvKb Kib, wZwb Zvi fyj
eySZ cviQb| ggZv fvjevmvq Avcbviv cviwiK GKvZZv Abyfe
KiQb| gvMZ KqKw`b GwUi cybivew Kib|
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eve Avcwb Zvi mv_ cv-GKwUf AvPiY Kib| `Leb PgrKvi

dj cveb| hKvbv cviwiK mK Dbqb G cwqv AbymiY Kiv
hZ cvi|
ck : ivMxi wPwKrmv ev Acvikb wK Kgv mUvi eenvi Kiv hve?
Di : AekB hve| wcwRi GKRb cwWqvwUK mvRb mvRvwii
Kgv mUvii PgrKvi eenvi KiQb| wZwb Acvikbi AvM
ivMxi mKj KvMRc `L gwWUkb Kgv mUvi ivMxK Gb
Acvikbi cyiv cwqv mv`b Kib|
Zvici eve wdi Gm Acvikb w_qUvi ivMxK Acvikb
KiZb| Avi GZ Ki wZwb Acvikbi mgq cvq AaK Kwgq
AvbZ mg njb| AvM h Acvikb KiZ ò Nv mgq jvMZv,
m Acvikb wZwb 45/50 wgwbUB mb KiZ cviQb| Avi ivMxi
Acvikb mgq hZ Kg jvM ZZ `Z m wbivgq jvf Ki|
ck : hvwK wU ev Z_ Rvbvi Rb wK Kgv mUvi KvR Ki?
Di : GI Avcwb Kgv mUvi eenvi KiZ cvib| GK `yi
wKkviKvqvUvg MvRyqU| Kvbv hcvwZ nvZi KvQ cj m Zv
Lyj mewKQy `LZ PvBZv| Zvi `yicbvq evev/ gv memgq ZU|
GKevi evevi KwDUvi Lvivc nq Mj| m fvejvevevK
mvicvBR è| gwWUkb Kgv mUvi wMq Aii KvQ RvbZ
PvBjv KwDUvii Amyweav Kv_vq| Ai ZvK ejjb, Zgb wKQy
nq wb| GZ bî GZ bî cvUm Lvivc| cvUm `yUv e`j w`jB wVK
nq hve| LiP coe Pvi/ cuvPk UvKv| evev evmvq AvmZB m evevK
ejjv, KwDUvii Zgb wKQy nq wb| GZ bî GZ bî cvUm
Lvivc| e`jvZ Pvi/ cuvPk UvKv jvMe|
K_v b evev GKevi Mvgv jfj| evevi aviYv, Qj
KwDUvi LyjQ| Zv bv nj m cvUmi bî Rvbjv Kxfve| Qji
Avi Kvbv K_vB bZ PvBjb bv wZwb| Lye ivM Kijb|
KwDUvi BwwbqviK `Lvbv njv, wZwbI GKB K_v ejjb|
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Gevi evevi weqi cvjv| Qj bv nq KwDUvi Lyj cvUmi bî

`LQ, wK GB cvUm `ywUB h Lvivc Zv m eySjv Kxfve?
evev Qji KvQ _K me bjb| Qj gvgvevwo eovZ wMq
gvgvi mv_ Kvm KiwQjv| Kvm Ask wbq evev wbRB cyiv NUbv
ejwQjb cZqb Abyvb|
ck : `~i `k GKRb Kx Aevq AvQ Zv `Lvi Rb wK Kgv
mUvi eenvi Kiv hve?
Di : AekB hve| Ggb e NUbv iqQ| GK Qj KjKvZvq
MQ| hvIqvi ci `yB w`b Kvbv LuvR bB| Qj, evev I gq
cwievi wZbRbB KvqvUvg MvRyqU| gq Wvvi| Qj hvIqvi ci
`yw`b Uwjdvb bv Kivq evev DwM| ZZxq w`b mvq gq Gm
evevK DwM `L KviY wRRm Kijv| evev KviY ejjb| gq
ejjv, Uwjdvb Ki wb ZvZ Kx? Avcwb Kgv mUvi wMq `Lyb,
I Kv_vq AvQ|
evev gvMwiei bvgvR co gwWUkb Kgv mUvi wMq Qji
eZgvb Aevb `Lvi Pv KiZB KvjKvZvi GKwU wmbgv nji MU
fm Gjv| Qj wmbgv nj XyKQ| evev QjK Zvi DMi K_v
Rvbvjb| ejjb, wkM&wMiB Uwjdvb KiZ|
Iw`K wmbgv `LZ `LZB Qji gb cojv evwoZ Uwjdvb
Kiv nq wb| nj _K ewiqB Qj evevK Uwjdvb Kijv| evev
Uwjdvb ai Qji Kî bB wRm Kijb, mvq ZzB AgyK
wmbgv nj wQwj? Qj Zv wewZ! evev Rvbjv Kxfve? evev ZvK
ejjb, Kgv mUvi wZwb ZvK wmbgv nj XyKZ `LQb|
Gfve Kgv mUvi eenvi KiZ cvib| wK wbqZ Lvivc
Kieb bv| xK evmvq iL GmQb| x evmvqB AvQ bv cvki
evmvq wMq M KiQ GKUz `L wbB| A_ev ^vgx ejQ h, AvRK
Awdm AvIqvii ci weRbm wgwUs AvQ| GLb weRbm wgwUsB
PjQ, bv Kvbv wmwUs PjQ GKUz `L wbB| wbqZ hw` Zv-B _vK,
Avcwb wKQyB `Leb bv|
A_vr KvDK QvU Kiv, Ac` Kiv, nq Kivi hw` Kvbv wPv
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_vK Avcwb wKQyB `Leb bv| GB vbK, GB kwK memgq

KjvY eenvi Kieb| KvDK nq Kivi Rb bq|
ck : wfmv jvfi Rb Kgv mUvi eenvi Kiv hve wK bv?
Di : AekB hve| nvRvi nvRvi KvqvUvg MvRyqU eenvi KiQb|
cKkj wekwe`vjqi GK wkwKv GKwU cwgv `ki wfmv wbZ
hveb| ivZ Kgv mUvi `Ljb, jvBb ùvwoqQb| KvDUvi
GKRb cyil I GKRb gwnjv| ZvK Kvbv ck QvovB wfmv w`q
w`Q| ciw`b mKvj jvBb ùvwoqQb| KvDUvi `Lb Ab cyil,
Ab gwnjv KvR KiQb| wZwb GKUz weeZeva Kijb| jvBb GQ|
wkwKvi mvgb GLb gv GKRb| G mgq cvjv e`j njv| hviv KvR
KiwQjb Zvì e`j Ab `yRb Gm KvDUvi emjb| wkwKv
wewZ nq `Ljb, Kgv mUvi hvì `LwQjb, Giv ZvivB|
wkwKv KvDUvi cuQvi ci Giv ay cvmcvU `Ljb, g`y nvmjb|
cvmcvU iL ejjb, weKj wfmv wbq hveb|
ck : AvavwZK mvabvq Kgv mUvi eenvi Kiv hve?
Di : AekB| hviv AvwZK-AvavwZK DbwZ Pvb, Zvì mvabvi GK
PgrKvi RvqMv Kgv mUvi| Kgv mUvi wMq ing ejq em
Aii mv_ GKvZ nq Bmg AvRg ev gnvbvg Rc Kib, `vqv
ì` cob, exRg ev nwibvg Rc Kib, cig cfyi Avivabv Kib
A_vr Avcwb Avcbvi agwekvm Abymvi mvq wbRK wbew`Z Kib,
cv_bv Kib| GK Avjv`v Abyf~wZ I Abyfei RMZ cek Kieb
Avcwb| Ze AvavwZKZvi c_ AMmi nZ nj GKRb AvjvwKZ
i, gywk` ev MvBWi KvQ evqvZ ev `xv MnY cqvRb| evqvZ ev
`xv MnY Qvov wbR wbR AvavwZK mvabv GK wcwQj c_| hKvbv
mgqB cv wcQj cvnvo _K GKevi wMwiLv` co hZ cvib|
ck : Kgv mUvi c`vq hvK `LZ PqwQ hw` ZvK `LZ
bv cvB, Zvnj GUv wK Kvbv mgmv?
174
Di : GUv Kvbv mgmv bv| axi axi Avcwb `LZ cveb|

c_g Abyfe KiZ Pv Kib| Ze Rvi Ki Pv Kieb bv| gbi
Ici Qo w`b| gbi c`vq Qwe AvmZ w`b| mgq wbq Acv
Kib| axi axi Qwe nq DVe| GKmgq `LZ cveb|
ck : Ggb KLbv nq wKZ_ c`vbKvix h wVKvbv w`jv, mB
wVKvbvq m ew DcwZ bB, Ab KD _vKjv| Avwg mB wVKvbvq
Ab KvDK `Ljvg, ZLb Kx ne?
Di : GiKg nZ cvi hLb jfjUv wVK nq bv| Ze Avcbvi
jfj hw` wVK _vK, Avcwb eySZ cvieb h, G mB ew
bq| Avcwb ZLb mB wbw` ewK LyuR ei KiZ cvieb|
ck : `bw`b Rxeb QvULvUv wmv bqvi Rb wK Avjdv jfj
ev gbi evwoi Kgv mUvi eenvi KiZ cviev?
Di : Avmj QvULvUv wmvi Rb Kgv mUvi eenvii ìKvi
bB| hgb, Avwg fvZ Lvev bv iwU Lvev, gvqi mv_ K_v ejev bv
evevi mv_ K_v ejevG wmv bqvi Rb Kgv mUviK eenvi
KiZ nj GUv gkv gviZ Kvgvb `vMvbvi gZvB nvmKi nq hve|
Avmj QvULvUv evcviI hw` gwWUwUf jfj wMq mgvavb
cZ nq, Zvnj Rxebi RwUjZv evoe e Kge bv| gwWUkbK
eenvi Kieb eo wKQyi Rb, eo cvwi Rb| QvULvUv evcvi
mvnvh beb ^ZtZ cvi| Avi cvi G kw ZZ kvwYZ ne hZ
Avcwb wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kieb|
ck : wbRi ga K _vKj kvwi Rb Kgv mUvi hvIqv hve?
Di : hLbB Kvbv K Abyfe KiebKgv mUvi Pj hveb|
ii mv_ ing ejq wMq emeb, AvQvgZv Kuvèb| Kuv`j K
ewiq hvq| Avj-vni KvQ KuvèbAvj-vn, Avwg Zv `ywbqvZ wbRi
BQvq Avwm wb| Zzwg cvwVqQv| GLb K `~i Ki| Zzwg mekwgvb|
ivLj ivLZ cviv, gvij gviZ cviv| Zzwg K `~i Ki `vI|
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Avj-vni KvQ KvbvKvwU Kib, `Leb h, Avjv`v GKUv kvw

cvQb| ILvb em GKUz `vqv-ì` cob| nwibvg Rc Kib| A_vr
hvi hvi agwekvm Abymvi HLvb Mfxi i wMq cfyi KvQ wbRK
mgcY Kib| `Leb, Avjv`v Zw cvQb, Avjv`v kvw cvQb|
ck : Kgv mUvi wK ay kvixwiK mgmv mgvavbi Rb? ZvZ wK
ewMZ A_ev cvwievwiK Kvbv mgmv mgvavb Kiv hve?
Di : AekB hve| h mgmvi evcviB Avcwb gb KiQb h ii
KvQ wRm Kiv cqvRb, wRm Kieb| aib, Avcwb GKUv wmv
wbZ PvQb| Avcwb eySZ cviQb bv GUv Avcbvi Rb fvjv ne bv
Lvivc ne| Avcwb iK wRm Kib A_ev Avcbvi ILvb h wb
AvQ| Zvi Ici `yUv evj jvwMq wbb| GKUv meyR, GKUv jvj|
ck Kib| hw` jvj evwZ Rj IV Zvi gvb Gi ga Avcbvi
Kvbv gj bvB| Avi hw` `Lb h meyR evwZ Rj DVQ, Zvi gvb
wMb wmMbvj| A_vr BwZ f|
GUv Avcwb wbRi Rb I cvwievwiK hKvbv mgmv mgvavb
eenvi KiZ cvib| h AvcbvK w`q `qv njv| Kxfve eenvi
Kieb GUv Avcbvi Ici| ay Lqvj ivLeb memgq h, Avcbvi
Dk, wbqZ hb wVK _vK| wbqZ hb gvbe KjvYi Awfmvix nq|
ck : hv PvB Zv | wK Kxfve KvR KiZ ne Zv eywS bv|
G AvgvK Kx KiZ ne?
Di : Kgv mUvi hveb Ges AiK wRm Kieb|
ck : Kgv mUvi wK Pbv-APbv gvbyli AZxZ-fwelr Rvbv me?
Di : Pbv Kvivi AZxZ Zv Avcwb RvbbB| ZviUv Avi Kgv
mUvi wMq Rvbvi ìKvi Kx? Kgv mUvi wMq Zv Avcwb Rvbeb
hvK Avcwb Pbb bv, hvK Avcwb Rvbb bv| hvi K_v Kvbvw`b
kvbb wb| Zvi AZxZ eZgvb fwelr AbK wKQyB Rvbv me| Ze
wbqZ wVK ivLeb|
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ck : Kgv mUvi AZxZ, eZgvb, fwelrGB wZbUv wb _vKe|

AZxZi NUbv AZxZB _vKe, eZgvbi ga Uvbv hve wK?
Di : ILvb hLb Kvbv NUbv `Lev ZLb AZxZiUv AZxZ,
eZgvbiUv eZgvb, fwelZiUv fwelZ `Lev| Kgv mUvi
Avgiv GKK mgqi NUbv GKK wb `Lev| NUbvi Kvj cwieZb
nIqvi mv_ mv_ wbUvK e`j bev|
ck : Kvbv wcqRbi fwelr Rvbv I KjvY Kvgbvi welqwU Kxfve
Kiev? Avwg wK Zvi myì I gjgq fwelr wPv Kiev, bv cKZB
Zvi fwelr wb fm DVe?
Di : `yUvB| Avcwb hw` ay fwelr RvbZ Pvb Zvnj Zvi cKZ
fwelr fm DVe Avi hw` Zvi gjgq fwelr Pvb mUvI Avcwb
Kgv mUvi Kvgbv KiZ cvib| Avcwb Wvb cvki wb `Leb
KjvYgq fwelZ Zvi Rxebi AevK| `yUvB Avcwb KiZ cvib|
ck : Avgvi hLb gb Pvq ZLbB wK Kgv mUvi hZ cviev?
Di : Avcbvi Kgv mUvi, hLb gb PvBe hveb, K AvcbvK
AvUKve? Ze hZ ne wbqggZv|
ck : cwZw`b `yejv gwWUkb GKevi Kgv mUvii gwWUkb
Kiv wK evbxq?
Di : w`b `yejv gwWUkbi GKevi Kgv mUvi hveb| BQ
Kij `yeviI hZ cvib| wkw_j cwqvq GKevi wkw_jvqb Kib,
gbi evwoZ hvb, Zvici mLvb _K Kgv mUvi Pj hvb|
hviv avbi Aviv Mfxi hZ Pvb Zvì Rb `yejv gwWUkbB
Kgv mUvi hvIqvUv fvjv| ZvZ Ki ii mv_ Avcbvi
hvMvhvM fvjv ne, ii mv_ mK fvjv ne|
ck : Avwg GKRbi `vl `LZ PqwQjvg Kgv mUvi| Zvici
Kgv mUvi KvDKB fve `LZ cvB bv, GLb Avwg Kx Kiev?
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Di : GLb ZIev ZIev Kiv Qvov, Avj-vni KvQ gvd PvIqv Qvov
Avcbvi wKQy Kivi bB| Avgvì c_g w`b hw`b Kgv mUvii
AvjvPbv Kwi, mw`b Avgiv ej `B KvDK Ac` Kivi Rb, nq
ev QvU Kivi Rb wKQy `LZ hveb bv|
hnZz Lvivc wbqZ `LZ wMqQb, hv nIqvi Zv-B nqQ|
Avcwb GLb Avj-vni KvQ gvd Pvb, hvi `vl `LZ PqwQjb Zvi
KvQ wMqI gvd PvBeb|
ck : hvK fvjevwm Zvi mv_ weq ne wK bvGUv wK Kgv mUvii
KwDUvi wb `Lv Avgvi Rb Abvq ne?
Di : Abvq Kb ne? Avcwb AiK wRm KiZ cvib| Ze
AveMK ckq èb bv| Rvi Ki BwZevPK Reve PvBZ hveb bv|
ck : Avwg hw` RvbZ PvBAgyK Avgvi m^ Kx fveb? Kx aviYv
Kib? RvbZ cvij Avwg Zvi mv_ Pjvdiv KiZ ^vQ` eva
Kiev| mUv wK me?
Di : AekB me| hw` DkUv mr nq| DkUv hw` nq Zvi mv_
mnv` ew KivAekB me Ges Avcwb Zv eySZ cvieb| wK
DkUv hw` nq AgyKi aviYvUv Rb wbB Zvici ZvK eKvq`vq
dj èv, Zvnj me bq|
G `wfwwU neAgyKi mv_ Avwg mK Dbqb Kiev|
ZvZ AvgviI KjvY ne ZviI KjvY ne, Zvnj GUv me|
ck : mK Dbqbi Rb eb gmR cvVvbvi D`vniY w`j fvjv
nq| gyL ejev bv KvMR wjL gMR ivLev?
Di : Avcwb hw` KwDUvi GcvU nb, Avcbvi K_vjv Zvi
gMR GKevi KwDUvii ggvwi KvW evwbq XywKq w`b ev KvMR
wjL IUv GKevi ebi ga XywKq w`b| Avi Avcbvi hw` ejZ
fvjv jvM, ZvK cvk ewmq myì Ki ejZ _vKzb|
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ck : Kgv mUvi Avgvi PvIqv KZw`b KvhKix ne? KZw`b

cvMvwgs KiZ ne? fvjv PvBZ wMq hw` g` nq Zvnj Kx Kiev?
Di : Kgv mUvi Avcwb Avcbvi wPv I KbvK hZ GKvMZvi
mv_ Kieb, ZZ KvhKi ne| KZw`b KiZ ne? w`bi mxgv
wbaviY Kiv hve bv| hZw`b ch wVK bv nQ KiZ ne| G
ahUv Lye iZc~Y|
GKUv NUbvGKRb PvwQjb h, wZwb hb AviKUv fvjv evwoZ
hZ cvib| fvjv evwoZ hvIqvi Kbv KiZ KiZ hLvb wQjb
m Avkq _KI wePzZ nq Mjb|
wZwb mvsNvwZKfve fO cojb| ejjb h, Avwg GKUv fvjv
Avkq PvwQjvg| Avgvi eZgvb Avkq hv-B _vKzK, GKUv wQjv| mUvI
nvivZ emjvg! Avwg ZvK ejjvg, GB ei nIqvUvB H fvjv RvqMvq
hvIqvi AvMi Aev| gwWUkb KiZ _vKzb|
Zv-B njv| Gici Zvi hLvb hvIqvi myhvM njv, mUv `Lv
Mj Aviv fvjv RvqMv Ges Ifve AvkqPzZ bv nj bZzb GB
RvqMvq Zvi nqZv hvIqv nZv bv|
KvRB AbK mgq cvMvwgs KiZ wMq `Lv hZ cvi h,
eZgvb hv wQjv Zv-I Mj| wK ZvZ wPwZ neb bv| KviY Avgiv
cKwZi mv_ GKvZ nZ wkLwQ| Avgvì Q`K cKwZi Q`
Q`vwqZ KiZ wkLwQ| GLb hv ne Avgvì gji RbB ne|
ck : Avwg meB wbRi gZv Ki mK wbaviY Kwi| wK
^vgxi B Zv nQ bv| m me Avgvi Pq Aviv eo|
Rvwb, Zvi gvbwmK kw ev gwWUkbi kw Avgvi Pq ewk| Zvi
I hb Avwg wbRi gZv Ki mK wbaviY KiZ cvwi Zvi
Rb Kx Kiev?
Di : GB eeUvB cv w`b| GLb _K fveeb Avcbvi kw
ewk| Avcbvi gwWUkbi gZv ewk| Avcwb ZvK fvjevmb, Zvi
gj Kvgbv Kib, AZGe Zvi evcvi Avcbvi PvIqv evevwqZ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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nIqvi myhvMI ewk| gwWUkb GUvB fveeb h, Avwg Avgvi ^vgxi

ga GB GB cwieZb `LZ PvB, hw` Zv Avgvì Rb KjvYKi
nq| Avi hZY ch Kbv Kieb h, Avcbvi ^vgxi gwWUkbi
cvIqvi ewk ev gbi kw ewk ZZY Avcwb ZvK cfvweZ KiZ
cvieb bv| KviY Avcwb cfvweZ nq em AvQb|
Avcwb hLb GUvK cv èb h, bv, Avgvi kw ewk Ges Avwg
hv PvB GUv Aviv ewk KjvYKi| Avi ^vgx-xi memgq
gwWUkb GUvB nIqv DwPZ h, Avgvi ^vgxi GB cwieZb Avwg PvB
hw` Zv Avgvì `yRbi RbB gjRbK nq| KviY Avcwb h
cwieZbUv PvQb GgbI nZ cvi Avcwb nqZv eySZ cviQb bv
GUv Avcbvi ^vgxi Rb wZKiI nZ cvi|
AZGe gwWUwUf jfj hLb hveb, memgqB ejeb Avgvi
^vgx Ges Avgvi`yRbiB hw` GZ gj nq Zvnj Zvi ga GB GB
cwieZb PvwQ| ZvZ `yRbiB gj ne| `yRbB myLx neb|
ck : Kgv mUvi hvIqvi ciI Avwg Pvicvki mewKQy Abyfe Kwi,
wevwiZ GKUz eywSq ejyb|
Di : GLb GUv Abyfe KiQb, Av Av Abyfe Kieb bv| hZ
GKvMZv evoe ZZB gwWUkb ewk wbgM nZ cvieb|
Avcbviv Rvbb, GKevi nhiZ Avjx (iv)-Gi cvq Zxi weua Mj|
KDB Zxi LyjZ mvnm cvwQjv bv| KvQI hZ mvnm cvwQjv bv,
ZLb imyj (m) mvnvexì ejjb h, Zvgiv Acv Ki| Avjx hLb
bvgvR mR`vq hve ZLb ZxiUv Lyj wbI|
Dwb bvgvR ùvovjb, mR`vq Mjb| Zxi Lyj bqv njv, Dwb
UiB cjb bv| hLb Avgvì gbvhvMUv miKg GKvM ne, ZLb
`Leb h, Avkcvki wKQy Ui cvQb bv| GUv Av Av ne,
GKw`b ne bv| Avcwb h Kgv mUvi hZ cviQb GUvB Avcbvi
eo ARb Ges Av Av Avcwb Aviv Mfxi hZ cvieb|
ck : KD AvgvK wjW Kij PjZ myweav nq| Kgv w`Z cvwi bv|
G Avgvi `wfw Kx nIqv DwPZ? DiYB ev NUe Kxfve?
180
Di : hwK hKvbv K_vGUv gvbv DwPZ| wK Kviv AhwK

K_v gvbvi cqvRb bvB| memgq webqi mv_ cwiwwZK mvgj
beb| Avcwb gbi evwoZ hveb, `Leb h, Kviv hwK Kgv
PgrKvifve AbymiY KiQb|
Avevi Avcwb wbRI AbìK hwK Kgv KiQb| gbi
evwoZ Kgv KiZ KiZ Af nvb, `Leb h, evBiI Kgv
KiZ cvieb| `Leb h, hviv Lye fvjv AwfbZv ev Ljvqvo Zviv
h LjvUv Zvì ìKvi ev h AwfbqUv Kiv ìKvi, PvL e Ki
winvmj Ki djb|
gbi PvL `Lyb h, wZwb Kxfve WvqjM _v KiQb, Kxfve
Afw KiQb, Kxfve kUwU LjQb| AvcwbIKxfve Kgv Kij
myweav nq mUv gbQweZ `Leb Zvici Kieb| AekB GUv me|
ck : gwWUkb Kgv mUvi hvIqvi ci Kvgi I cvqi
gvsmcwkZ e_v Abyf~Z nq| `yw`b ci wVK nq hvq| Gi KviY I
cwZKvi Kx?
Di : Avmj e_vi cyivUvB nQ gvbwmK| KviY Avcwb em AvQb|
hw` Kgv mUvi Qvov Ab mUvi Avcbvi Kvgi e_v, cv e_v bv
nq Zv Kgv mUvi ne Kb?
Avmj AePZb gb nqZv GK aibi evav KvR Ki Kgv
mUvi hvIqvi evcvi| GB evavB Kvgi e_v Ges cv e_vic `Lv
`q| AePZb gbi GB evavUvK `~i Ki djyb| Kgv mUvi
hvIqv Avmj Lye fvjv GKwU KvR| Kgv mUvi nQ Avcbvi
gwWUkbi MfxiZi Aev|
avbi wewfb i AvQ| Abykxjb Pvwjq Mj avc avc Zv Aviv
eySZ cvieb| Avi avc AwZg bv Ki Mfxi i hw` hvb, Zv
avbi mwZKvi ^v` Avcwb KLbv cveb bv|
hLbB e_v Abyfe Kieb, eySZ ne h, AvcbvK wew Ki
`qvi Rb Avcbvi fZii Kvbv bwZevPKZv KvR KiQ|
ck : Kgv mUvi mgmv mgvavb ii cqvRb AvQ Kx?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
181
Di : AbK mgq gb ne h Avcwb AbK wKQy eySZ cviQb bv,

A_ev GKUv welq wbq Avcbvi fZi wav- _vKe ZLb mUv
mgvavbi RbB i cqvRb|
ck : Avgiv Zv AvcbvK i gb Ki Kvm KiwQ| Avevi Kgv
mUvi i Kb?
Di : H h hLb Avwg mkixi Avcbvi KvQvKvwQ _vKev bv| memgq
Zv Avi AvgvK cvQb bv| GRb Kgv mUvi i| ivw evivUvi
mgq gb njv h, GB cki Zv GKUv mwjDkb ìKvi| ZLb
AvgvK cveb Kv_vq? mB RbB Ai|
ck : Kgv mUvi Avwg h iK PqwQjvg ZvK cvB wb| ZvK
cj Avwg Gi PqI ewk jvfevb nZvg ej Avgvi aviYv| ZvB c_g
iK wK e`jvbv hvq?
Di : cqvRb bvB| H iK cj hv cZb GB ii KvQ _K
Zv-B cveb| ZviciI Avcwb BQv Kij e`jvZ cvib| Ze
e`jvbvi evcviI cwqv iqQ| m cwqv AbymiY KiZ ne|
ck : Kgv mUvi h iK PqwQjvg Zvi Qwe Kvbvw`b `wL
bvB| A_P Ab GK i evi evi AvmwQjv hvK Avwg PvwQjvg bv|
QweZ `LwQ kl i AveQv Aevq iqQ| GLb Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : iK memgq IqjKvg Kiv DwPZ, whwbB Avmyb| Avcwb h
ZvK PvQb bv, G Rb i GKUz Awfgvb KiQb| Gici
gwWUkb hvb| evev-gvqi Awfgvb Avi KZY _vK| wMq ejyb h,
i, Zzwg hLb GmQv, ZvgvKB Avwg PvB| ZzwgB Avgvi i|
`Leb h, Awfgvb Pj MQ| ZLb Avi AveQv Aevq `Leb bv,
B `Leb|
ck : Aii Pnviv cwZw`b e`jvZ _vKv ev GKK w`b GKK i
`Lv wK fvjv jY?
182
Di : GKK w`b GKK iZ Kx ne? MvRb b nq hve| i

GKRbB _vKv DwPZ| gbi wiZv GjB ii Pnviv wi ne|
ck : Kgv mUvi AvcbvK wVKgZv `LZ cvwQ bv| Kx Kiev?
Di : evSv hvQ, fvjvfve wkw_j nZ cviQb bv| 40 w`b wbqwgZ
wkw_jvqb Kib| KvqvUvqb Kib| wVK nq hve|
ck : Kgv mUvi i wK memgq _vKQb? bv wK hZevi hvev
ZZevi ZvK Avnvb KiZ ne?
Di : Avcwb hvIqvi AvMB Ai Kgv mUvi cuQ hvQb|
Avcwb hLb hveb, hZevi hveb, `Leb h, i Avcbvi Rb
Acv KiQb|
ck : KvqvUvg g_W eB co RvbZ cvijvg, gwWUkbi whwb
DveK, Ai wnme memgq ZvK wbevPb Kiv ewk KvhKi| wK
Avwg Kvm Kivi mgq GUv RvbZvg bv| ZvB Ai AviKRbK
wbevPb KiwQ| wZwb Kgv mUvi GmQb wK Kvbv K_v ejQb
bv| Ai cwieZb Kiv hvq wK?
Di : hve| Kvm hLb Aii gwWUkb nq, Avcwb Gm Ai
cwieZb Ki wbZ cvieb|
ck : MvRyqkb Kvm KiwQ `yeQi nqQ| wK AvR ch Avwg Kvbv
Ai `wL bv| mvBwK Kvm KiwQ| mLvbI wKQy `LZ, bZ ev
Abyfe KiZ cvwi wb| G mvKmmdzj nIqvi Dcvq Kx?
Di : `Lv cveb, Kb cveb bv? wekvmK cej Kib| GKevi bv
cvwij `L kZevi| Avcwb jM _vKzb, Kb cveb bv? Avi, i
DV Gm Avcbvi mv_ `Lv Kieb|
wK jM _vKZ ne Ges `Lvi Rb wbRi gwWUkbi
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
183
cvIqviUvK evovZ ne| GRb ìKvi wbqwgZ wkw_jvqb| gbK

hZ wi KiZ cvieb Aii Abyf~wZ ZZB cwivi nZ _vKe|
Gi cvkvcvwk wfRyqvjvBRkb PPv KiZ cvib|
Avcbvi whwb i Zvi GKUv Qwe wbb mvgb| PvL gj QweUv
`Lyb, Zvici PvL e Kib| PvL e KiB QweUv `Lyb| Avevi
PvL gj `Lyb| Avevi PvL e Ki `Lyb| Kb wfRyqvjvBR ne
bv? PPv KiZ _vKyb| AekB gwWUkb iK `LZ cveb|
ck : Ai K_v ejb bv| Zvi mv_ mK Dbqbi Dcvq Kx?
Di : eve i hLb Ai nb, ZLb ii w`K-wb`kbv hZ
AbymiY Kieb, ZZ ii mv_ mK fvjv ne| `Leb, i ay
K_vB ejeb bv, wRm bv KijI ej hveb, ii AvMn eo
hve| AbK mgq Qj-gqiv evevK dvb Ki bv| evev ZLb
wbRB LuvR bb| Zgwb iI wbR Avcbvi Lei beb| ii
wb`k AbymiY bv Ki hZ Kgv mUvi wMq iK bRivbv `b bv
Kb, Kvbv jvf bB|
ck : hLb Kvbv KvRi djvdj mK iK wRm Kwi ZLb i
hv ejb eveZv AbK mgq mwVK nq bv| wK `Lv hvq m KvRwUi
djvdj mK Avgvi gb hv ejQ Zv cvqB mwVK nq| G wbq Avwg
KbwdDkb AvwQ| GRb Kgv mUvi KD wKQy `LZ w`j Avwg
fq fq _vwK hw` Zv wVK bv nq| G cwivYi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Avmj Avcbvi wekvmi wfwUv Lye `yej| Avcwb wbRB
mskqvQb| G mskq _K hZY bv ewiq AvmZ cviQb, ii
KvQ _K mwVK Di cveb bv| KviY Avcwb wbRB ii evcvi
KbwdDRW| wekvmK cMvp Kieb| Kvbv mskqK wbRi ga
AvmZ èb bv| ZvnjB Avcwb mwVK Di cveb|
ck : cvi gwWUkb AiK h ck wRm Kiv nq Zvi hme
Di cvIqv hvq memgq wK Zv-B mwVK nq? KviY AbK mgq Zvi
mv_ eveZvi wKQy cv_K j Kiv hvq?
184
Di : GKUv welq memgq gb ivLeb h, ii KvQ _K Kx Di

cvIqv hve Zv memgq wbfi Kie Avcbvi gwWUwUf jfji
Ici| Avcbvi wkw_jZvi ii Ici| Avcbvi jfj hZ fvjv
ne, ii Di ZZ myìfve eySZ cvieb|
gbi wiZv mePq iZc~Y| aib, gvevBj hLb bUIqvK
wWmUve nq, ZLb Kx nq? wKQy K_v Avcwb kvbb, wKQy kvbb bv|
GLb bv bB, bv eySB Avcwb hw` nuv-nuv KiZ _vKb, Avi ci Ggb
wKQy Ki djb hv Kivi Kvbv K_vB bv, ZLb GUv Kvi `vq?
hw` Avcbvi jfj wVK _vK, Avcwb AekB mwVK Di cveb|
Avi hw` jfj wVK bv nqDi Zv wVK AvQ, wK Avcwb nqZv fyj
bjb ev AvswkK bjb| hZ wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kieb, hZ jfj
wVK nZ _vKe, ZZ Di wVK bZ _vKeb|
ck : i-`kb wVKgZv njv bv| `vl wK Avgvi? GB gwWUkb wK
wiwcU Kiv ìKvi?
Di : wVKfve i-`kb bv njI GKUv AveQv ic Zv `LQb|
mB AveQv icUvB Av Av cwivi ne| AZGe Kvbv wiwcUkb
Gi ìKvi bvB| Kgv mUvi hveb Ges Kvgbv Kieb h, iK
fve `LZ PvB| `Leb h, iK fve `LZ cvQb|
ck : ii mvwba fK ii wb`k AbymiY AbycvwYZ Ki| Kvbv
Kvm ev Abyvb Qvov Avcbvi mvwba cvIqv hvq bv| mgvavb Rvwbq
evwaZ Kieb|
Di : hLbB Kgv mUvi hveb, gwWUkb emeb, ZLbB iK
Abyfe Kieb| fZi wekvm fvjevmv ggZv hZ _vKe, ZZ
Mfxifve Avcwb iK Abyfe KiZ cvieb|
ck : Kgv mUvi Kvbv civgki Rb Aii KvQ RvbZ
PvBj i Kxfve ejeb Avi Avwg Kxfve bevwelqUv Avgvi
KvQ GK`g cwivi bv| Avwg wK Kbvq eyS bev?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
185
Di : Avmj iI gb gb ejeb, AvcwbI gb gb beb| A_vr

ii mv_ h K_v nQ mUv fZi K_v nQ| gbi fZi K_v
hfve nq mfveB ne|
ck : Kgv mUvi Kvi Kgv KvhKi neAvgvi bv ii?
Di : PgrKvi ck KiQb| Avcwb hUv eySZ cviQb bv mUvi
RbB Zv iK wRm KiQb| AZGe iK wRm Kivi ci
Avcbvi Avi Kvbv Kgv ej wKQy _vKQ bv| i hv ejQb mUvB
nQ Avcbvi Rb KiYxq|
ck : Di cvIqvi ciI GKB ck wK ci ci `yB evi A_vr ci ci `yB
gvm cvi gwWUkb wRm Kiv hvq?
Di : AvnvK Qvov GKB ck `yBevi KD Ki bv| Kvbv eywgvb
gvbylB GKB ck `yB evi KivK cQ` Kib bv| iI ^vfvweKfveB
Zv-B| GK ck, GKevi Di njv| nq Mj|
wK Di cvIqvi ci wbRi gbgZv njv bv, AZGe Avevi
iK ck Kijb| i Avcbvi gbgZv Di w`q w`jb| h hvn,
ZzB hLb GUv bZ PvwQm, hv kvb|
wbRi gbgZv Di Pvq aygv evKviv Ges i memgq evKv
_K `~i _vKZB cQ` Kib| KviY evKvi i KD nZ Pvq bv|
Kvm h fvjv Qv nq, mevB wK Zvi wUPvi nZ PvqAvgvi Qv
AgyK, Avgvi Qvx AgyK| wK Kvm h jvy cvq ZvK Kvbv wUPviB
`vwe Kib bv h, `L, m Avgvi Qv ev Qvx| AZGe `yBevi Kvbv
ck Kieb bv Ges wbRi gbgZv Di KLbv cZvkv Kieb bv|
ck : Kgv mUvi iK Rvi Ki Di ei KiZ nq| wbR _K
Di `b bv| cwZKvi Kx?
Di : ii mv_ RvivRywi Kieb bv| wZwb hw` Di bv `b Avcwb
GKUz wZ nvmyb| ejyb h, i, Avcwb Di bv `b Lye fvjv|
186
KZw`b bv `b Avwg `wL| cwZw`b ck KiZ _vKzb| Di bv cvIqv

ch wRm KiZ _vKzb| Ze ck Kieb webqi mv_, AvwiKZvi
mv_| Rvi Kivi cqvRb bB|
Avi hLb Avcwb Rvi KiQb bv ZLb `Leb wZwbI ^ZtZ nq
AvmQb| KviY H jfj ck Qo w`Z nq| Di ^ZtZfve hw`
Avm wVK AvQ| wK hZY bv Avm ZZY Acv KiZ nq|
GKw`b, `yBw`b, wZbw`b, Pviw`bAcv KiZ _vKzb| `Leb h,
^ZtZfveB Reve cvQb| KviY Acv ev mei Qvov AbK mgqB
AbK wKQy cvIqv hvq bv| Acv Ggb GK kw hv mewKQyK
civwRZ KiZ cvi| Ze i GKevi Di w`j H GKB ck Avi
wRm Kieb bv, Di Avcbvi cQ` nvK Avi bv nvK|
ck : Kgv mUvi wMq Avgvi Aii KvQ wKQy wRm Kij Lye
mnR Di cvB bv| wKsev Di cjI Avwg hv Avkv Kwi Zv-B Di
Avm| GUv wK mwVK?
Di : Avkv Kieb bv| Avkv Kij nqZv wZwb mB DiB w`q
èb| KviY Aii gbUv Lye big| wZwb Kviv Avkv f KiZ
cvib bv| Avcwb hv Avkv Kieb wZwb Zv-B Di èb| Avcwb
GKUz k nvb h, bv, Avgvi Kvbv Avkv bB| i hv ejeb, mUvB
Avwg bZ PvB| Zvnj Dwb mwVK Di èb|
ck : Kvbv ck Kij Ai Di `b bv| dj AbK welq Avgvi
wav _K hvq| Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : Kvbv ckiB hw` Di bv `b Zvnj eySZ ne Avcbvi mv_
ii GKUv KwgDwbKkb Mvc AvQ| GB Mvc, GB `~iZUvK `~i
KiZ ne| GRb wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kieb| Kv_vq `~iZ nQ
GUvK ei Kivi Pv Kib| `Leb h i Di w`Qb|
Avevi KLbv KLbv i Kvbv Kvbv welq Di `b, Kvbv
Kvbv welq Pzc _vKb| h welq Pzc _vKQb eySZ ne DiUv
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
187
Avcbvi gbtc~Z ne bv| Avcwb hv PvQb DiUv Zv bq| DiUv Zvi

wecixZ| GLvb gbs mwZ bv|
ii Kvbv welq Pzc _vKv gvb nQ AmwZ| gbs AmwZ
jYs| AZGe, mveavb nq hveb mB KvR Kivi evcvi| KviY,
i mvaviYZ bv ejZ Lye msKvP Kib| bv ejevAvQv hvK Pzc
_vKvB Zv fvjv|
ck : Kgv mUvii i ay Dc`k w`q hvQb wKQy wRm KiZ
cvijvg bv|
Di : Lye fvjv i cqQb Avcwb! wRm Kivi AvMB Dc`k
w`q hvQb| Avcbvi mgmv mgvavb nq hvQ| mvaviYZ Avgvì
AvMKvi iiv `k eQi wRm Kivi ci GKUvi Di w`Zb|
Kgv mUvi AbK wnwjs

ck : wnwjsqi KvhKvwiZvi evwbK evLv Kx?
Di : Avmj cw_exi e wKQyiB evLv wevb w`qQ| Avevi AbK
evLv wevb w`Z cvi wb| KwVb Aevq mKj ei AvqZb Kg|
wK cvwb KwVb nq eid nj AvqZb evo| wevbi m~ Gi evLv
w`Z cvi wb| ejQ GwU ewZg|
wevbi RMZ G aibi ewZg I weqi Kvbv kl bB|
AvaywbK wevbi D`vniY w`qB gbi GB kwi evLv `qv hvq|
GKkv eQi AvMi K_v wPv Kib| AvcbvK KD hw` ejZv,
Nii Kvbvq Avgvi GKwU ev AvQ| GLb GB gyn~Z dv h dzUej
Ljv nQ GB ev Avwg Zv `LZ cvwQ| Zvnj Avcwb ZvK Kx
ejZb? cvMj! Avi GLb Ni em Uwjwfkb Avcwb dzUej Ljv
`LQb| Avcbvi G K_vK hw` KD wekvm bv Ki ZvK Avcwb wK
ejeb? ejeb cvMj|
gw h h Zwi KiQ Zv w`q hw` weki Aci cvi GB
188
gyn~Zi NUbv `Lv hvq, Zvnj GB gwK wekl cwZZ eenvi

KiI Zv `Lv hZ cvi|
NUbvwUK GfveI evLv KiZ cvibcwZwU gb nQ wekgb
bvgK GK mycvi mycvi mycvi KwDUviicx gnvRvMwZK vbfvvii
(information super highway) GK GKwU Uvwgbvj|
mycvi KwDUvii hZjv UvwgbvjB _vKzK bv Kb, hKvbv
Uvwgbvj _K Bbdigkb mycvi nvBIq ev mycvi KwDUvii Kì
mv_ hgb hvMvhvM Kiv hvq, Zgwb avbi i wekl wdKvqw
mw nj wekgbicx gnvRvMwZK vbfvvii mv_ mshvM vcbi
gvag gb KvwZ Z_ jvf Ki|
wZxq ck RvMZ cvi, Avwg Avgvi gw Z_ ciYi gvag
Z_gvjvK cwiewZZ Ki ivMgyw I KjvY mvab KiZ cvwiGUv
evwbKfveB mZ| wK e`~i AewZ AviKRbK cvVvbv
Z_gvjv m cve Kxfve? Gi mnR Di nQUwjcvw_|
GB Uwjcvw_K gZv Avgvì mvaKiv nvRvi nvRvi eQi ai
cqvM Ki AvmQb| Gi GZ AmsL D`vniY iqQ h, Zv Dj-L
KiZ Mj GUv GKUv wekKvl nq hve|
ck Kieb, AvaywbK wevbgb gvbyl wK Uwjcvw_ wekvm Ki?
GB kZvxZ Uwjcvw_ MelYvi AMcw_K nQ wWDK BDwbfvwmwUi
cdmi R. we. ivBb| vbdvW wimvP BbwwUDUi cwiPvjK
wnme wZwb BGmwc MelYvq bZzb hyMi m~Pbv Kib|
Gcvjv-14-Gi bfvPvix GWMvi wgPj P`c _K f~-wbqY
K` wnDbi mv_ Uwjcvw_K hvMvhvM vcb Kib| GB
hvMvhvM GZ mdj nqwQjv h, bfvPvix wgPj f~c wdi Gm
Mo Zvjb GK bZzb cwZvbBbwwUDU Ad bvqwUK mvqm|
Uwjcvw_ wbq `yB civkwi MelYvi cwZhvwMZv wevbxgnj Lye
fvjfveB Rvbb| mvwfqU BDwbqb 60-Gi `kK GB MelYvq GZ
GwMq wMqwQjv h, Kgvvi gv _K e-vwWfK gvm KvW
Kgv cvVvQb Avi e-vwWfKi Kgvvi Zv MnY Ki Avevi gvm
KvW Reve cvVvQb|
wevbxiv Uwjcvw_Z wekvm Kib wK bv G wbq wevbxì cwKv
wbD mvqwU GK Rwic PvwjqwQjv| Rwic `Lv Mj, kZKiv 75
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
189
RbB Uwjcvw_Z wekvm Kib A_vr wevbgb gvbyli Rb

Uwjcvw_ nQ GK bZzb eveZv|
Kgv mUvi Avcwb Avcbvi gb I gwK wekl i wbq wMq
mB eveZvKB KvR jvMvQb| Avcbvi KjvY Kvgbvi Z_gvjv
Avcbvi gb _K Aci ewi gb Pj hvQ| Avi Gici Zv mB
ewi gwi Z_fvviK cybweb KiQ| gw Zvi ivMgywi
cwqv mwq KiQ, KjvY cwqvK Rvi`vi KiQ| Zvi Rb bZyb
eveZv wbgvY KiQ|
ZvB wbtm`n ejv hvq, Kgv mUvi Avcwb Uwjcvw_i GB
evwbK cwqvKB KvR jvMvQb|
Avi cZK gvbyli gvSB GB gZv my iqQ| AvaywbK
gbvwevbi AbZg cw_KZ Wv. Kvj e Bqvs Lye KiB
ejQb, gvbe AwZi ga Ggb GKwU Ask iqQ, hv vb Kvji
Ea Pj hZ cvi|
ck : Avgvì Awj eyRyMiv wK GB Uwjcvw_ cqvM KiQb?
Di : AekB| Avgvì Awj-eyRyMiv, gywb-Fwliv nvRvi nvRvi eQi
ai G cwZK eenvi Ki AvmQb| cqvM Ki AvmQb| nhiZ
Igii mgqKvi GKUv NUbv|
Avey Ievq`v RiRvjg ivgvbì mv_ hy KiQb| ivgvbì
mb msLv wQjv Ievq`vi mb msLvi cuvP Y| w`bwU wQjv evi|
NviZi hy nQ| nhiZ Igi g`xbvq gmwR` beexZ LvZev
w`Qb| hy nQ RiRvjgg`xbv _K KqKk gvBj `~i| nVvr
LvZev e Ki wZwb em cojb| em ejQb, Avey Ievq`v,
cvnvoi cQb `L|
Avey Ievq`v mB hy hy KiZ KiZ bQb h, Lwjdv
ZvK cvnvoi cQb `LZ ejQb| wZwb KqKRb AkvivnxK
cvwVq w`jb`L Zv cvnvoi cQb Kx nQ? Zviv cvnvoi cQb
wMq `L h, gvivZK Aev| 50 nvRvi ivgvb mb cvnvoi cQb
w`K _K AvmQ Avey Ievq`vi evwnbxK NivI Ki djvi Rb|
Avey Ievq`v mv_ mv_ Zvi evwnbxK `yB fvM Ki djjb| GKfvM
190
cvwVq w`jb cvnvoi cQb gvKvejv Kivi Rb| mB hy Avey

Ievq`v Rqx nqwQjb|
hw` Kgv KiZ cvib Zv Avcbvi Kgv gvbyl bZ cvi,
ccvwL bZ cvi, MvQcvjv, cvnvo-ceZ, b`-b`x bZ cvi|
nhiZ Igii mgqKvi AviKwU NUbv| Avgi Bebyj Avm wgki Rq
KiQb| wgkixqì ga ZLb GKUv c_v wQjv| GLb h iKg
myìx cwZhvwMZv nq ZLb mLvbI myìx cwZhvwMZv nZv| GK`g
Mvg _K i nZv| evQvB nZ nZ miv wgki myìx h wbevwPZ
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wnwjs KvhKix ne?
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Zvi Qwe mvgb AvQ Ges Avcwb AvwiKfve Zvi KjvY Kvgbv
Kijb| GB AvwiK KjvY KvgbvUvB iZc~Y|
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jvMvZ cvwi?
Di : `bw`b Rxeb mvBwK cvIqviUvK hZ Kg KvR jvMvb, ZZ
fvjv| GUv eo KvRi Rb eenvi Kieb| hgb GLvb _K
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Kvbv mvBwK hb Zv bv `L| Zvnj evPv nvwiq Mj ev wbRi Lye
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wZwb avbi c_ h_ AMmigvb|
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nvwiq MQ ev Kvbi `yj nvwiq MQ| GLb Avcwb wK Kvbi `yji
cQb jM _vKeb? mvgvb Kvbi `yji Rb Avcwb h kw eq
Kieb Zv w`q Avcwb Aviv eo Kvbv KvR KiZ cviZb| eis `yj
nvwiq MQ, AviKUv wKb wbb|
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ZzQvwZZzQ KvR jvMvb, AcqvRbxq welq eenvi Kib, Zvnj m
kwi Aceenvi ne|
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Avcwb Avi PvbLvicyji Gjg viv Pvi ai hviv, Zvì ga Zv
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Di : cv_K Lye my| GKUv PvIqvi, AviKUv bv PvIqvi| Avmj
PvIqvi gwWUkb nQ Kbkvm _K mve-Kbkvm jfj hvIqvi
gwWUkb| bv PvIqvi gwWUkb nQ mycvi Kbkvm _K Kbkvm
jfj-G hvIqvi gwWUkb|
hLbB PvIqv _vKemB gwWUkbi jfj, Avi PvIqvnxb
gwWUkbi jfj`yUv Avjv`v| hLb bv PvIqvi jfj Avcwb Pj
hZ cvieb, ZLb GUv mbmwi cvimckb ewj ev Bjnvgi i
ewj ev AwZPZbvi h ejq mLvb _K Bbdigkb mPZb ejq
cek Ki| Avi GB ejqB hy gnvPZbvi mv_, A_vr mKj
Bbdigkb fvvii mv_|
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GKevi wKQy hw` bv _vK, bv PvIqvi R hvIqv hvq bv| KviY
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ejv hve bv?
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evcvi ZvK mPZb Ki `qv DwPZ Zv Kkj ejeb| hgb,
ejZ cvibAvcwb G evcvi mRvM _vKzb, mZK _vKzb| AbK nq
KiZ cvi, Abi wZ nZ cvi Ggb wKQy ejeb bv|
Avcwb nqZv `Ljb QvUejvq m GKUv RvqMv _K Pzwi KiQ|
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Avcbvi Kvbv K_v kvbvi gZv Aevq m bv-I _vKZ cvi| KviY
GUv ^xKvi Kivi gZv mr mvnm Lye Kg gvbyli iqQ|
GKUz nm wZwb nqZv ejZ cvib, eySjvg, Avcwb KZUzKz
wkLQb| ZLb Avcbvi wbRi KvQB wbRi jfj mK m`n
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KbwdDR Ki è, bwZevPK wKQy K_v eje hv Avcbvi wbRi
weo^bvi KviY ne|
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evav AvQ?
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ejj Avcwb Bmjvgi `wZ wki&K Ki djjb|
hgb, Avcwb hw` KvDK ejb h, AgyKw`b Zvgvi cv fvOe,
hwÌ GwU Rvbv me, wK mywbw`fve Zv ejj wki&K ne| KviY
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Avgvì Cgvbi Ask|
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Kijb| GLvb agxq Kvbv evav bvB| Avi hZ Kg ejb ZZ fvjv|
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wK weqi ci Pj hvq Kb? G cvIqvi wK Qjì bvB?
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cvIqvi _vKe| eis eveZv nQ, GKUv chvq hvIqvi ci, mvabvi
gqì msLv Zzjbvg~jKfve Kg, wK Qjì msLv ewk|
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msLv ewk| KviY mvabvi GKUv i wMq h K ^xKvi Kiv cqvRb,
h ZvM ^xKvi Kiv cqvRb, mUv gqì c gykwKj nq| KviY
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c_g chvq Zvi Rb wQjv cwic~iK, mB AgywLZvB mvabvi GKUv
KwVb chvq wMq wecixZ nq hvq|
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Pnviv Pj Avm| GwU wK wVKvbv fyj nIqvi dj bv Ab wKQy?
Di : GUv GKvwaK KviY nZ cvi| g~j KviY nQ jfji wUDwbs
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wMq AviK kb Pj AvmZ cvi| wUDwbs wVK bv nj mvBwKZI
G welqwU Pj AvmZ cvi|
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bv, mUv wbq Kvbv Rvi Kieb bv| `Lvi Rb c_g cqvRb
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ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Pv KiebPvBeb, wK Rvi Ki m ewi Qwe fvevi Pv Kieb

bv| Avcwb hLb wi jfj hZ cvieb AUvgwUK m Avme|
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cyivcywi wijv Kiv Ges hLb Qwe `LZ PvQb ZLb mPZb cPv
bv Pvjvbv| KviY Avcbvi Bbdigkb AvmQ fZi _K| mPZb
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wi neb ZZ QweUv mwVK ne| GLvb Zvovov Kieb bv, mwq
Pv Kieb bv|
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Di : GwU NU ZLb, hLb Avcbvi wdKvqw wVK nQ bv| A_vr
Avcbvi jfji wiZv bvB| Avcbvi kixi gb hZ wkw_jZv _vKe,
hZ Avcwb cwqvwUK wbqYnxb bv Ki ^Zt~Z nZ èb, ZZB
Avcwb wbLuyZfve `LZ cveb| hv `Leb GKwUB `Leb, hv
`Leb mwVK `Leb| wbcyYfve wnwjs KiZ cvieb|
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_vKj GK`g Gjvgjv|
Di : ^vfvweK| GLvb Zv MuvRvwgji Kvbv evcvi bB| wVK Qwe
Gj Avcwb Lye mwVKfveB Zv ejZ cvieb|
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`LZ cvB| Zvi Aev Abyhvqx wbixvaxb ewi eYbv w`B| wgj
hvq AbKUvB| wbixvaxb ewK cyivcywi `LZ PvB, Kx Kiev?
Di : Avkcvki KvDK `L wbixvaxb ewi eYbv èb bv|
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MuvRvwgj `qvi Pv Kieb bv| duvwK w`Z Mj wbRB duvK co
hveb| G Aevq gb gb AUvmvRkb èb, Avwg hvK `LZ
PvwQ ZvK cyivcywi `Lev| `Lvi ci Avwg Zvi mK ejev|
196
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Abyf~Z nq bv| G evcvi Avcbvi civgk, `vqv I wb`kbv PvB|
Di : wkw_jvqb PPv wbqwgZ Kieb, jvgvi KvqvUvgg KvqvUvqb
Kieb, mvBwKi Yjv Avq Kieb, gbi wel `~i Kieb, ZvnjB
wbixvaxb ewi gyLQwe Lye cwivi `LZ cveb|
ck : wnwjsqi mgq hvK AejvKb KiZ PvB Zvi Pnviv, ewk
AvMi wnwjsqi mv_ wgwjq dwj| wKQyZB eZgvb wbixvaxb ewi
cwZ gbvhvM wbe _vKZ Pvq bv| dj Z_ AejvKb I ejvi wav _K hvq| Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : wbqwgZ PPv KijB GwU wVK nq hve| 3-2-1-0 ej ZvK
Avbeb, KvR kl 0-1-2-3 ej myBP Ad Ki w`jb| Zvici
Avevi 3 _K 0 Y Avbeb| meZ Avcbvi GKmv_
KqKRbK wnwjs KiZ wMq GKRbi RvqMvq AviKRb Pj Avm|
A_vr wb AvDU Kivi AfvmUv Mo ZzjZ ne| ZvnjB Avi Pnviv
`Lv wbq mgmv ne bv|
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AviKRb Pj Avm| Avgvi ZLb Lye wei jvM| iRx, G Aevq
Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : AviKRb AvmyK, weiwi wKQy bB| h Avme, eySZ ne Zvi
cqvRb AvQ| aib, Avcwb LZ emQb ev Uwej Lvevi `qv
nqQ| GKRb Pj Gjv| Avcwb hw` wei nb, ZvK ev` w`q LZ
emb, Avcbvi wiwRK DV hve|
AZGe, Avcwb GKRbi wPwKrmv bv Ki hw` we`vq Ki `b, hw`
wei nb Zvnj Avcwb h kw ARb KiQb mUv _vKe bv| ivMx
hw` kI nq, Zey GKRb Wvvi Zvi wPwKrmv Kib| hvivB G KvRUv
KiQb, BwZnvm ZvivB gnr nqQb|
myjZvb mvjvDwbi mv_ zmWi mgq ivRv wiPvWi hy njv|
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ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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evBi _K GmQ| m Avgvi gngvb, Amy gngvb| k nvK, Zvi

wPwKrmv KivUv Avgvi `vwqZ|
wZwb wPwKrmKi ek wkwei Mjb Ges ivRv wiPvWi wPwKrmv
Kijb| my nIqvi ci ivRv hLb ZvK wPb djjb, ejjbGB
jvKB Zv Avgvi Rxeb euvwPqQ, Gi mv_ Avi Kx hy Kiev! mw
njv, wiPvW wdi Mjb|
mbvZb ag ejv nq, AwZw_ njv bvivqY| mvnvhi nvZ evoveb|
GUv ay Kgv mUvi bv, kI hw` wecb nq, ZvK mvnvh Kieb|
Zvici Avevi m kw mq KiewVK AvQ| wK wecb Aevq Zvi
mevi eev Avcwb Kieb|
ck : GKRb mvBwKi KvQ bwQjvg, wZwb hLb GKRb ivMxK wnwjs
KiwQjb ZLb Zvi fZiI m AmyLUv `Lv w`qwQjv| m
KiYxq wK?
Di : GwU GKwU Ame K_v| Avcwb KvDK wbivgq Kieb Avi m
ivM Avcbvi `Lv è GUv nq bv| nZ cvi wZwb fyj KiwQjb
A_ev Zvi ga AmyLUv AvMB wQjv| wKQyw`b ci Zv `kgvb nqQ|
wK AviKRbK wbivgq KiZ wMq m AmyL Avcbvi ne GUv
KLbvB nZ cvi bv| Avgvì mvBwKiv MZ 20 eQi nvRvi nvRvi
ivMxK wnwjs KiQb| GiKg NUbvi K_v AvR ch KD ejb wb|
ck : KLbv ^c `wL, Avevi KLbv Lvjv PvLB AbK wKQy `wL hv
cieZxZ mwZ nq| GUv wK Avgvi AZxw`q kwi Rb nq? Kxfve
Avgvi mvBwK cvIqvi evovev?
Di : Kvbv Kvbv gvbyli QvUejv _KB wKQy wKQy gZv
weKwkZ nq| hgb KD AsK fvjv cvi, KD fvlv Lye fvjv cvi|
KvDK BsiwR GKevi ej w`jB njv| GKKRbi GKKw`K
cwZfv _vK hv QvUejv _KB weKwkZ nq|
Avcbvi ga mvBwK cvIqvi iqQ| GK Aviv evovZ cvib
wbqwgZ mvBwK PPv I wnwjs Kivi ga w`q| hLbB myhvM cveb,
198
gwWUkb emjB KvDK bv KvDK wnwjs Kieb| mvvwnK wnwjsq

memgq Ask beb|
KviY GZjv gvbyl hLb GKmv_ gwWUkb Ask wbQb ZLb
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ck : cyivcywi AvZw Qvov mvBwK cvIqvi ARb KZUzKz me? A_ev
AvZwi mv_ mvBwK cvIqvii wK Kvbv mK iqQ?
Di : AvZw mvBwK cvIqvii mv_ Avwfve RwoZ| Avi
AvZwK fq cveb Kb? KviY hUzKz Kieb m wRwbmUzKzB
Zv Avcbvi| Zv wbqB Avcwb cwivYi c_ hveb| hw` KiZ
bv cvib Zvnj hv wKQy A me Avcbvi wZi KviY ne|
Avmj AvZwi h cwqvq Avgiv iqwQ Zv GKUv gvjvi gZv|
GKwU cwqv Qvov AviKwU APj| ZvB AvZwi Rb dvDkbi
cwqvK cyivcywi AbymiY Kieb| Avevi ay AvZw ARb KijB
Avcbvi kw Avme bv, hw` bv Avcwb m kwi PPv Kib|
Avcbvi AbK UvKv iqQ| wK Kvjvi gwbUi hw` bv Kbb
Zvnj Kvjvi QweI `LZ cveb bv| mRb ay AvZw mvBwK
cvIqvii Rb h_ bq| GwU mnvqK, cwic~iK| AvZw nj
mvBwK cvIqvi eo hve| Avi ZvB mvBwK cvIqvi ai ivLvi Rb hv
hv Kivi K_v ejv nqQ Zv KiZ ne|
ck : mvBwK cvIqvi evovZ KvqvUvqb wK Kvbv DcKvi Avme?
gvm KqwU KvqvUvqb cqvRb G cvIqvi evovZ?
Di : mvBwK cvIqvii Rb jvgvi KvqvUvgg wbqwgZ KvqvUvqb
Kieb| ay mvBwK bv, Rxebi cwZwU KvR jvMe| evRvi
KiZ MjI KvR Avme| eySebKe evRvi hZ ne| gvQ
Kvbw`b cvIqv hve|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Avwg Zv mvaviYZ evRvi hZ cvwi bv, wK hw`b hvB, `wL

cq MwQ| Kvbv Kvbvw`b GZ wRwbm Pj Avm h, `vg Kg| Kg
`vg wRwbm wKbZ cvij Kvi bv fvjv jvM| nqZv h gvQi K_v
fvewQjvg, AbKw`b XvKvi evRvi `wL bvB| `Lv Mj mB gvQ,
GK`g dk| Ze gvQ Avwg Kq wcm Lvev mUv Avgvi evcvi|
wK, AvbÙv njvAvwg wPv KiwQjvg, Avj-vn cvBq w`qQb|
Avj-vni kvKi|
AZGe, memgq myhvM cjB jvgvq KvqvUvqb Kieb| evmvq
Kvbv KvR bB| m mgq wkw_jvqb Kieb| hLbB myhvM cveb
gwWUkb Kieb| gb _K fveeb| A_vr AnZzK mgq b Kivi
Pq gb fvebv AbK fvjv|
ck : mvBwK nIqvi evcvi Avgvi wbRi cwZ Avv Lye Kg| gb nq
Avwg m chvq hZ cvwi wb| ZvB wnwjs Kivi mgq hZUv gbvhvM
w`Z cvwi, KD wKQy `LZ w`j Avwg Zv ZZUv Avvi mv_ `LZ
cvwi bv| gb nq hv `LwQ Zv hw` fyj nq, whwb AvgvK `LZ
w`qQb wZwb hw` Avgvi evcvi weic aviYv cvlY Kib| GB fq
memgq Avgvi fZi KvR Ki| gb nq G hb Avb wbq Ljv
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Di : Avcbvi mK K Kx aviYv Kijv bv Kijv Zvi Ea
AvcbvK DVZ ne| g~j welq nQ Avcwb Avcbvi KvR KZUv
AvwiK| hw` Avcwb Avcbvi KvR AvwiK nq _vKb Zvnj K Kx
fvejv bv fvejv ZvZ Avcbvi wKQy Gm hvq bv|
Avmj Avcbvi ga nxbbZv KvR KiQ| BgR b nZ cvi G
wPv KvR KiQ| GKwU welq gb ivLeb, cwZwU Avcwb KLbv
mwVK nZ cvieb bv| mvBwKZ Avcbvi mvdj nvi hw` c_g mvwii
nq ZvnjI Zv 90% Gi ewk hve bv| nqZv 90wU Avcwb
mwVK neb, 10wU fyj Kieb|
Kb fyj ne? KviY me hw` mwVK nq Avcbvi ga AnsKvi Pj
Avme| Avcbvi gb ne, Avcwb Zv meB Rvbb| GRbB nqZv
cKwZ GKUv PK G evj Ki w`qQ|
200
Ze Avgiv h 10 fvM fyj Kwi Zv ^xKvi KiZ PvB bv|

Avcwb ejZ cvib, Avgvi gb nQ| Avgvi fyjI nZ cvi| KviY
GKgv Avj-vn fyj Kib bv, wZwb me Rvbb| wZwb Qvov Avi Kvbv
gvbyli c 100 fvM mwVK nIqv me bq hw` bv m welq Avj-vn
^qs ZvK ej w`q _vKb|
Avcbvi cwZ weic aviYv cvlY Kiem fq w`q Avcwb Kb
ZvwoZ neb| Avcwb Zvi DcKvii Rb KiQb, Avcbvi mK Zvi
aviYv ewi Rb KiQb bv|
mvBwKi wbRK Rvwni Kivi Pv Kiv mePq eo cvc|
memgq AvwiK neb| GKRb gvbyl mvnvh PvBZ GmQ, Avcwb hv
`LQb Zv-B ejyb| mB mv_ ejyb, Avgvi fyj nZ cvi|
G evcvi Aviv hLvb _K Z_ cvIqv hZ cvi mLvb
hvIqvi evcvi Avcwb cyivcywi ^vaxb| A_vr memgq webqx neb|
hZ webqx neb ZZ Avcbvi G kw evoZ _vKe| hLb Avcwb gb
Kieb, Avcbvi fyj nZ cvi, ZLb Avcbvi fyj Kivi cwigvYI Kg
hve| KviY ZLb Avcwb mvi cwZ ewk wbfikxj neb|
ck : eqv`we beb bv| KvDK weq KiZ PvBj Kgv mUvii
gvag ZvK AePZbfve Rvbvbv hve Kx?
Di : Zvnj weqI KiZ ne AePZbfve| Kbbv eve bv
Rvwbq Zv weq KiZ cvieb bv| A_vr weqi evcvi AePZbfve
KvDK Rvbvbvi gZv KvcyilZv Avi bB| GUv KLbv KvR Kie bv|
GZ fq Kb weqi evcvi?
memgq gb ivLeb, cyil ev bvix h-B nvbKvDK cQ` nZB
cvi| AvM Zvi mvgvwRK Aevbi mv_ wbRi wgj `LZ ne| hw`
Avcwb cyil nb Zvnj gqi mvgvwRK Aevb fvjvfve wPv
Kiebweqi ci Zvi vUvm Abyhvqx ZvK PvjvZ cvieb wK bv|
hw` bv cvib, Zvnj mvebv nQ Zvi evKevY AvcbvK RRwiZ
nZ ne mvivRxeb|
wZxq cqU, Avcbvi cwievi ZvK cQ` Kie wK bv| Avi ZZxq
welq nQ wZwb AvcbvK cQ` Kieb wK bv| A_vr mg-mvgvwRK I
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
201
mg-mvswZK cwigj wK bv Zv wbwZ nZ ne|

Avcwb ZvK weq Kijb| wZwb gvm 10wU Ki kvwo wKbZ
Af| weqi ci wZwb nqZv 10wU _K 5wUZ bvgZ cvib| wK
Zvi wbP hw` bvgvb wZwb ejZ cvib h, Gi Pq weq bv KivB
fvjv wQjv| A_vr A_bwZK Aevb Lye iZc~Y|
Avevi cvx gv_vq Kvco w`q Af bb, Avi Avcwb cQ` Kib
bKvePvL Qvov me Kvco w`q XvKvZvnjI ne bv| Avcbvi
cwievi hw` bKvex gq cQ` Ki Zvnj m cwigji Kvbv
gqKB AvcbvK LuyRZ ne| Avcbvi gv hw` eDK bKve ciZ
eva Kib h, Zv bv nj c`v b ne| A_P gq nqZv c`v Ki bv,
ZLb mgmv Zv neB|
Avevi gq hw` Ggb nq bKveB Zvi Rxeb, wKQyZB bKve
Qvoe bv| Avi Avcwb gb KiQb eviLv, bKvei cqvRb bB,
gvUvgywU kvjxb cvkvK cijB njv| Avcwb fveQb Avcv`gK XvKv
Kvbv gqK wbq Avcwb NyiZI cvieb bv| GiKg gqK weq
KiviB Kvbv ìKvi bB|
m Zvi gZv mg-mvgvwRK, mg-mvswZK cwigji KvDK LuyR
be| A_vr weqi evcvi AePZbfve KvDK Rvbvbvi gZv
KvcyilZv Avi bB| GUv KLbv KvR Kie bv|
ay cve `qvi mgq bq, cZvLvZ nIqvi I mvnmx nZ
ne| cZvLvb Kij ZvK ^vMZ Rvbvb| KviY cve `qvi AwaKvi
hLb KD msiY Ki, ZLb cZvLvZ nIqvi AwaKviI ZvK msiY
KiZ ne|
Ze Acic ZLbB cZvLvb Kie hLb Zvi gvb` m
AvcbvK Dchy gb Kie bv| hw` gb bv Ki Avcbvi ivM Kivi,
z nIqvi wKQy bB| eis Avbw`Z neb GB fe h, eo GKUv
dvov KU Mj|
ck : AvM Avgvi mvBwK cvIqvi Lye fvjv wQjv| wK GKevi fvjv
gb bv wbq AviKRbK Kgv mUvi Avbvi ci Avwg Avi wKQyB
`LZ cviwQ bv| Zvi ewMZ evcvi AviKRbK wKQyUv AvfvmI
w`qwQ| Zvici Aek Avcbvi K_vgZv Zvi KvQ Ges Avj-vni KvQ
202
gvI PqwQ| wK ZvZI wKQy nQ bv| GLb Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ|

Avgvi `Lvi Rb Avwg AbyZ| Gme `Lv I ejvi evcvi Aviv
wevwiZ AvjvPbv Kij fvjv nq|
Di : h cwigvY cvc Avcwb KiQb Zvi Zzjbvq b~bZg GKwU kvw
Avcwb cqQb h wKQy `LZ cvQb bv| GUv KLbvB Kiv DwPZ
bq| KviY Avcwb hv `LQb Zv nQ cKwZi AvgvbZ| Zvi mK
vb cKwZ AvcbvK w`qQ|
hgb Avgiv AbK wKQyB eywS| wK hvi mK eySjvg m
KLbvB eySZ cvie bv h Zvi mK GB Z_ Avgvì KvQ AvQ|
A_vr Avcbvi Rvbv w`q hvZ Avcbvi AvPiY cfvweZ bv nq| GgbwK
Kvbv BwZI Kieb bv|
Avmj G welqjvZ Lye mPZb _vKv cqvRb| KviY AZxw`q
jfj h Z_ Avcwb cvQb Zv nQ AvgvbZ| G Z_ Ab KvDK
ejv GB AvgvbZiB LqvbZ|
Abi wZ nZ cvi, wZwb AcZ nZ cvib Ggb Kvbv wKQy
KvDK KLbv ejeb bv| ejj AZ GUzKz ejZ cvib hv bj
wZwb Avbw`Z neb, Lywk neb| A_vr Zvi Rb KjvYKi wKQy Avcwb
ZvK ejZ cvib| ZvK ejyb h, Avcwb Zvi ga AbK eo mvebv
`LQb| wK Zvi Kvbv `vl ev ewMZ evcvi KLbv bwZevPK
BwZ Kieb bv|
ck : AmyZv Qvov Ab Kvbv `vqvqhgb, weq PvKwi ev Abvb
welq wnwjs Kivi Rb ZvK wnwjs ig wbq hvev, bv mivmwi ing
ejq hvev?
Di : Abi wbivgq-KjvYi Rb Avgiv Kgv mUvi eenvi
KiwQ| wbivgq K aygv wbRi wbivgqi Rb| GZ Avcwb Qvov
Kvivi RvqMv bB| Kgv mUvi njv Abi Rb| weq, PvKwi ev
AmyZvi Rb Avgiv Ab KvDK Kgv mUvi wbq hvev| mLvb
ZvK wbivgq Kiev| Kgv mUvi _K ing ejq hZ cvwi| Zvi
Rb `vqv KiZ cvwi|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
203
ck : AvcbvK Avgvi GKwU mdjZvi K_v bv ejjB bv| Avgvi kvwo

MZ GKgvm ai Kvbi wUDgviRwbZ KviY K cvwQjb| BGbwU
Wvviiv ejQ, Acvikb Qvov Kvbv Dcvq bB| kvwoi GB 75
eQi eqm Avgiv fq cvwQjvg Acvikb hZ| iRx, MZ eyaevi
Avwg ZvK Kgv mUvi wbq GmwQ| Avcwb Avgvi gbi evwoi
Wvvi| Avcwb PgrKvifve Acvikb KiQb Ges AvgvK ejQb,
Bbkvj-vn fvjv nq hve, Kvbv Lvivc wKQy bB|
Di : Avgiv Avj-vni Kwiqv Av`vq Kwi, GUv ZuviB gnievwb| hZ
AvwiKfve G kw Abi KjvY eenvi Kieb ZZ Avcwb Gi
cwZ`vb cveb|
GKRb Amy gvbyl, m AvZxq nvK Avi AbvZxq nvK, ivMx
wnme Zvi KvQ Avcbvi cwiPq nQ GKRb mvBwK, Wvvi| Wvvi
hgb Zgwb AvZxq-AbvZxq wbwekl Avcwb ivMxi wbivgq KjvY
Kvgbv Kieb, Avcbvi mvBwK cvIqvi Aviv evoZ _vKe|
ck : GKevi Ggb nqwQjv h, hvi w`K ZvKvZvg, Zvi kvixwiK
gvbwmK mgmv, m Kx wPv KiQ Zv-I ej w`Z cviZvg| wK mUv
gv GKw`b wQjv, mKvj Gm ivZ Pj Mj| Avi cvIqviUv wdi
Avm wb| G Kx KiYxq?
Di : wbqB cvIqviUvK h_vh_ mvb `qv nq wb| kwi
Aceenvi Kiv nqwQjv| A_ev fZi AnsKvi Pj GmwQjv| kw
AnsKvixi KvQ _vK bv| GK hZ bxie Ges Kwiqvi mv_ jvjb
Kiv hvq Ges Abi KjvY eenvi Kiv hvq, ZZ GUv vqx nq|
ck : wnwjs mkb gwWUkbi mgq PvL Lyj bvg-wVKvbv cwo| PvL
e Kivi mgq gb ck RvM PvLi gwY Icii w`K _vKe, bv
wbPi w`K _vKe?
Di : PvLi gwY hw`KB _vKzK, PvL e KijB Pje|
204
ck : Avwg hLb Kvbv Km cvB, bvg covi mv_ mv_ cvq mewKQyB
gb Pj Avm| wK jfj hvevi ci h ewK `wL Zvi mv_
eYbv gj bv| ci `Lv hvq, bvg kvbvi ci hv `LwQjvg mUvB
ewkifvM mwVK| GLb Avwg Kx Kiev?
Di : Avmj, Avcbvi AwWI Avi wfwWIZ wgj nQ bv| AbK mgq
wmbgvZ `Lvq gyL boQ, K_v nQ bv| AvcbvK wUDwbs wVK KiZ
ne, Qwe Avi K_v hvZ GKmv_ Avm|
Avi wkw_j nZ ne| Zvovov Kiv hve bv| nj fvjv bv nj
Aviv fvjv`wfw ne GB| KviY Avwg Zv AviKRbi KvQ
c`kbxi Rb KiwQ bv| Avi memgq hv `Leb, ejebAvgvi gb
nqQ| GUv nZI cvi, bv-I cvi|
wbwZ ay Avj-vn nZ cvib| wWU bqvi Kvbv cqvRb bvB|
hLbB ejebhv `LwQ 100% KviAvcwb wcwQq coeb|
ck : mvBwK PPvi gvag Avwg h gmR cvB, Zv cvq mewKQy mZ
nq| wekl GKwU NUbvi gmR Avwg evi evi cvB, hv eve NUvi
mgq nj AvbylwK hv NUvi mewKQy NU| wK g~j AskwUi NUbv
cyivcywi Dv nq| Ggb Kb nQ RvbZ PvB|
Di : g~j AskUvB Dv nIqvi A_ nQGK, wUDwbs wVK nQ bv|
`yB, AbK mgq Avgiv mvBwK cvIqvi Avi njywmbkbi cv_K eywS
bv| hLb njywmbkb ne ZLb g~j NUbv Dv ne|
ck : mvBwK Kvm hLb KvDK cheY KiZ hvB ZLb cwivifve
wKQy `LZ cvB bv| Avevi gvS gvS Lye fvjv `LZ cvB| G
mgmvi Di w`j Lye DcKZ nev|
Di : Avcwb hvK `LZ PvQb A_vr Avcbvi h mveR, ZvK
cwivifve `LvUv memgq wbfi Ki Avcbvi gbi wiZvi Ici,
Avcbvi jfji Ici| jfj hw`b fvjv ne mw`b mewKQy
Avcwb myìfve `LZ cveb|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
205
Avcwb hZ gvMZ PPv Kieb ZZ fvjv `LZ cveb| Gi mv_

hLb h_ wnwjsq Ask beb ZLb Avcbvi GB kwUv Aviv eo
hve| gjevii wnwjs Ges mvBwKGUv ay Abi wbivgqi Rb
bq| GB Abykxjb Ges gjevii wnwjs hZ Kieb ZZ Avcbvi
AwZPZbv evoZ _vKe Ges cv evoZ _vKe| ^Zt~Zfve mwVK
mgq mwVK wmv bqvi gZv evoZ _vKe| ^Zt~Zfve wbRB
eySZ cvieb Avcbvi KLb Kx Kiv DwPZ, Kx DwPZ bq|
ck : Avwg mvBwK IwiqUkb Kivi ci GLb AwZ A mgq
AUvmvRkb, gbQwe, wnwjsgwWUkbi G welqjv nq hvq| AvM
mewKQy KiZ 45 wgwbU _K 60 wgwbU mgq jvMZv| Avwg q ev
em gwWUkb KiZvg| GLb cvmb em Kwi| GUv wK wVK AvQ?
Di : Avmj Avcwb hLb mvBwK PPv KiQb, ZLb Avcbvi AwZPZbv
kvwYZ nQ| gbi APZb ii mv_ mPZb ii wbqwgZ mshvM
NUQ| dj Avcbvi cv evoQ, ^ZtZfve, eySZ cviQb KLb
Kx Kiv cqvRb|
m RbB Avcbvi gwWUkbi MfxiZv eoQ, MwZ eoQ|
GUvB mvBwK PPvi KvhKi w`K| Avmj mdjì AbZg GKwU ewk
nQ Zviv ^ZtZfve mwVK wmv wbZ cvib| mwVK mgq mwVK
RvqMvq _vKZ cvib| mvBwK PPv G gZvKB evwoq `q|
ck : fvjv mvBwKi Yvewj Kx? GRb Kvb gwWUkb ewk Ki
KiZ ne?
Di : fvjv mvBwKi Yvewj njv : c_gZ, Zvi wbqZ| AviKRbi
fvjv Kiv, KjvY KivUvB Zvi Dk| wbRi gZv Rvwni Kiv bq,
wbRK Rvwni Kiv bq| wZxqZ, gbi wel `~i KivUv Lye iZc~Y|
Avi gwWUkbi ejvq c_gB wkw_jvqb| wkw_jvqb nQ
gwWUkbi gv| ay fvjv mvBwK nIqv bv, ebUvK eenvi KiZ
njI wkw_jvqb KiZ ne| cwZw`b gwWUkb GKevi wkw_jvqb
KiZ ne|
206
AejvKb gZv evovbvi Rb Kbvi gwWUkb Kieb| Aviv

fvjv nQ gvqi Qwe mvgb wbq Avmeb| Qwei w`K ZvKveb, PvL
e Ki gvK Kbv Kib| Avevi ZvKvb, Kbv Kib|
Avcbvi wfRyqvjvBwRs cvIqvi evoZ _vKe| KviY, gvqi mv_
Bgvkbvj mK ewk| `Leb, Qwe ZvovZvwo Avme| gv bv _vKj
gvqi Qwe `Leb Avi eve _vKj gvK mvgb ewmq ivLeb| GUv
nQ wfRyqvjvBRkb evovbvi mePq PgrKvi c_|
ck : AZxw`q gZv evovbvi Rb mZ ejv, MxeZ _K `~i _vKv,
Aviv Kx Kx hvMZv ARb KiZ ne?
Di : hw` mZ ejb Avi MxeZ _K weiZ _vKbAvi wKQy jvMe
bv| KviY, G hyM mZ ejvi Pq KwVb KvR Lye Kg| MxeZi hiKg
PPv Pvicvk nQ ZvZ MxeZ _K `~i _vKv ek KKi| AZGe
G`yUv KvR KiZ cvib| Avcbvi AZxw`q gZv evoZ _vKe|
mZ ejvi kw Kx iKgmZ ejvi Afvm hw` GKevi nq hvq, hv
ejeb ZvB mZ ne| gyL _K hw` fyj K_vI ewiq hvq, mUvI
mZ nq hve|
ck : fvjv mvBwKi Rxebhvv Kgb nIqv DwPZ? Rxebhvv mvBwKi
Ici cfve dj wK?
Di : AekB dj| GKRb gvbyl Abw`K Amr _vKe Avi Rxebi
Gw`K mr _vKeGUv nq bv| h mr, m Rxebi mew`K mr|
AZGe, memgq wbRi KvQ mr _vKeb| Ggb Kvbv KvR Kieb bv
hUvi Rb wbRi KvQ KwdqZ w`Z nZ cvi| Avi fyj nq Mj
AbykvPbv Kieb| fyjK KLbI RvwdvB Kieb bv| AbykvPbv
Kieb, cwZKvi Kieb|
GKRb fvjv mvBwK memgq GKRb fvjv gvbyl| GKRb fvjv
mvBwK AviKRbi Avkqj| hw` AviKRb Avcbvi Ici wbfi
KiZ bv cvi, Avcwb KLbI fvjv mvBwK nZ cvieb bv| AbKi
AbK Z_ Avcwb Rvbeb| wK mveavb _vKebMe Kivi Rb hb
KLbv GUv cKvk Ki bv djb| AbK nqZv cksmv Kieb h,
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
207
Avgvi G evcviUv Avcwb `LQb, Avcbvi wnwjsqi KviY Avgvi G

ivMUv wbivgq nqQ BZvw`| wK Avcwb GUv ejbGB AbygwZ bv
w`j KLbv Kviv welq Abì wKQy ejeb bv| KviY, whwb Avcbvi
mvnvh PvBZ GmQb Zvi mewKQy Mvcb ivLvi `vwqZ nQ Avcbvi|
wnwjs mkb Gm Ggb bvg `Ljb hvK Avcwb Pbb| wK
Avcwb Zvi H mgmvUv RvbZb bv Ges mI Pvq bv GUv Avcwb
Rvbb| KLbv AvcbvK Rvbvq wb| KqvgZ ch hb Zvi mv_ G
welq wbq Avcwb Avjvc bv Kib, m bv ejv ch| Avcwb h Zvi
Km coQbGUvI ZvK ejeb bv| GB AvvUv Lye eo wRwbm|
Avwg memgq GB Avv I wekZv iv Kivi Pv KiwQ| ewMZ
evcvi wbq KLbv KvDK wKQy ewj wb, mvsMVwbK evcvi wbq nqZv
Lvjvgjv Avjvc Kwi| Avcwb h mgmv wbq GmQb GUv Avcwb
Rvbb, Avwg Rvwb| GgbwK Avcbviv hw` bv Kib, Avwg Avcbvì
gv-Rxi mv_I KLbv G welq wbq Avjvc Kwi bv| GUv nQ fvjv
mvBwKi mePq eo Y|
Abi wekZv hZ iv Kieb, Avj-vni ingZ ZZ Avcbvi Ici
ewlZ nZ _vKe| KviY, bexRxi wkv nQ, Kviv `vl ev ivM hUv
m cKvk KiZ Pvq bv, mUv AcKvwkZ ivLvUv Avcbvi `vwqZ|
Avcwb RbI h welqUv Mvcb ivLjb, Avj-vnI Avcbvi `vl
Ifve Mvcb ivLeb|
ck : wbt^v_ I GKvMwP cv_bv wK AciK vw Avi Awe`vi RMr
_K AvjvwKZ c_ AvbZ cvi? hw` cvi Ze Kxfve Ges G
KZw`b cv_bv Kiv DwPZ?
Di : Avmj Abi Rb cv_bv AbK mgq KvR Ki, AbK mgq
KvR Ki bv| Avcbvi KvR nQ GKvMwP cv_bv Kiv| DcKvi nj
Avcbvi `yUv mIqve ne| bv nj Avcbvi GKUv mIqve ne| Avcwb
Zvi Rb cv_bv KiQbGB mIqveUv cveb| Avi m hw` fvjv nq
hZ Zvnj mIqveUv Aviv ewk nZv| AZGe, h Kviv fvjv nevi
Rb GKvMwP Avgiv cv_bv KiZ cvwi| djvdj Kx ne GUv
Avgvì `Lvi ìKvi bB|
208
ck : GKRbK wnwjs Ki my Kivi Pv KiwQ| hLb ivR ZvK

wnwjs Kiev ZLb wK Avevi ZvK Amy Aevq `Lev bv wK my
Aevq `Lev?
Di : ZvK evi evi my Aevq `Leb|
ck : Avwg hw` KvDK wbivgq KiZ PvB Zvnj Kgv mUvi ZvK
KZevi wbq Avmv Riwi? GKevi wbivgq Kivi ci Amy ew hw` my
bv nb Zvnj KiYxq Kx?
Di : GKevi bv nj evi evi, kZeviGUv Zv Avgiv Rvwb| GKevi
hw` bv nq Zv kZeviB Kieb| hZY ch wbivgq bv nQ Kgv
mUvi Zvi Rb wiRvf ivLeb| A_vr hLbB gwWUkb Kieb,
ZLbB wnwjs Kieb| Avcwb Kgv mUvi wbivgq KiQb gvb Zvi
Rb `vqv KiQb| GKRb Amy gvbyl eve my bv nIqv ch Zvi
Rb `vqv Kiv Bev`Z|
ck : iZi Amy Avgvi GK evbK Avwg my KiZ PvB| Kxfve
wnwjs Kiev?
Di : Kgv mUvi ZvK wbq Avmeb Ges ZvK wnwjs Kieb|
ZvK wbivgq Kivi Rb Aii civgk I mnhvwMZvq hv hv Kiv
ìKvi mUv Kieb|
ck : Kgv mUvi mevP KZRbK wbivgq Kiv hve? ewk gvbyl
nj wbivgq Kivi KvK ewk mgq èv?
Di : Kgv mUvi GKv hLb gwWUkb Kieb ZLb mevP 4
RbK wnwjs KiZ cvieb| GKmv_ GKRb, Zvici wZxq Rb,
Zvici ZZxqRbGKRb GKRb Ki Avbeb| GKRb Avme| wnwjs
Kieb| m Pj hve| Zvici AviKRb Avme|
Avi Kgv mUvi hLb cwievii m`mì wbq Avmeb,
cwievii mevBK GKmv_ wbq Avmeb| wK cwievii m`mì
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
14-
209
evBi hLb Avbeb, ZLb GKRb GKRb Ki Avbeb| Avi wbivgq

Kivi Avcbvi gb hvK hZUzKz mgq `qvi K_v ej, ZZUzKz
mgq ZvK èb| G memgq Aii mvnvh beb|
ck : GKmv_ 12-14 RbK wgwUs-Gi gZv mvRkb w`Z ne mUv
wK me? KviY 12-14 RbK wbq evi evi screen-G Gb mvRkb
`qv Zv AbK mgqi evcvi|
Di : h KvRwU iZc~Y mUvi Rb Zv mgq AvcbvK w`Z ne|
Avi hw` gb Kib h, GB KvRi iZ bB, Zv mgq Kb èb?
Avevi gb Kieb h, KvRUv Lye iZc~Y, A_P mgq bvB`yUv Zv
nZ cvi bv| KviY GKwU KvRK hw` Avcwb iZc~Y gb Kib
Zvnj Zv Kivi mgqI Avcwb ei KiZ cvieb| KviY cw_exZ e
jvKivB KvR Ki|
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wbfi KiQ| Avcwb e`jveb wK bv, Avcwb cwiewZZ neb wK bv GUv
Zv Avcbvi Ici wbfi KiQ| AZGe Avcwb hv cvib mUv KijB
AbK mnR nq hvq|
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gZvUv cfvweZ nq hve| ZLb Avcbvi wmvUv wbic ne bv,
cvmZ ne bv Ges mwVK ne bv|
cvevb nZ nj ZvB AvcbvK AveMi Ea DVZ ne Avi
GUv Avcwb ZLbB cvieb hLb h KviY Avcbvi AveM mw njv
A_vr hUv AvcbvK Awi Ki ZzjQ, Avcbvi ga Awfgvb mw
KiQ ev vf mw KiQ mB welqUvK wbicfve `LZ cvieb|
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Zv bv cvij Avcwb AveMceY nq hveb| fZii AveM-mgyÙv
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Di : BGmwc gvb nQ GUv mbmwi cvimckb, AvavwZK mvabvi
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GUv mbmwi cvimckb bvgB Awfavb cwiwPZ|
GUv mbmwi cvimckb gvb nQh, cvimckb Avgvì
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Ges wRnvGB cuvPwU AMvbi gvag Avm| GB cuvPwU Bw`qi
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Avgiv mg Z_i Di cZ cvwi| Zv-B hw` nq Zvnj UKwbKj
vbi wK Kvbv cqvRb bB?
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mgqi GKwU NUbv| GKevi Zvi GK wkl Gm ejjv, AgyK GK
mvaK AvQ h b`xi Ici w`q nuU cvi nZ cvi| ey ejjb, Lye
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GK cqmv| ey ZLb ejjb, mvgvb GK cqmv w`q h Lqv cvivcvi
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ey ejjb, AgyK mvaKi AZ eQii mvabvi g~jI GK cqmv!
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Kivi ìKvi Kx| hLvb UKbvjwR cuQvq bv mLvb AvavwZK kw
cqvM Kieb|
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Di : Avcwb hw` cvevb nb Ze ZvrwYKfve evSvi Pv Kieb
bv| KviY, kUKvUi cwiYwZ AbKB wZKi| AviKRbK
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cvib, ZviciI Avcwb ZvK bv-I eySZ cvib| AZGe KvDK
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bv| memgqB mPZbfve wek-lY Kieb|
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`wfwi ^QZvi Rb G AveMK `~i KiZ ne| Avgvi ck njv
AveM Qvov wK Rxeb Pjv me? AveMnxb gvbyl wK iveUi gZv
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A| GUv nQ AveM| AveM Avcbvi `wK msKxY Ki `q|
AvcbvK A Ki `q Ges AveM memgq cvi Rb wZKi|
cKwZi mv_ GKvZZv

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cvwi bvB| Kxfve XvKv hve Dcvq ej w`b|
Di : Avmj Kbv KijB Zv XvKv nq hvq| Avcwb Kbv KijB
XyK Mjb| ZLb XyKZ bv cvivi gvb nQ Avcwb nqZv Nywgq
cowQjb| LqvjB Kib wb h, wK ejwQ| Gici Avi gwWUkb
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ck : cKwZi mv_ GKvZZv gwWUkb ejv nq h, GLb _K Kvbv
mgmvB Avcbvi mgmv bq| GLb cKwZB Avcbvi mgmv mgvavb
Kie| wK mKj mgmv Zv mgvavb Kieb Avj-vn| cKwZ Kxfve
Avgvi mgmv mgvavb Kie?
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`bi K_v ejwQ Zv GKUz evSvi Pv Kwi| Avmj cKwZ Kvi
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h wbqg cwZwU KvR mvw`Z nq| ewZg _vKjI mvaviYfve GB
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hLb Avcwb GKxf~Z nq hveb, ZLb Avcbvi cwZwU KvR cvKwZK
cwqvI nq hve mnvqK| cKwZi mv_ GKvZ nIqvi gwWUkb
Avcwb GB cwqvi mv_B GKvZ nb|
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mvnvh Kie?
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KLbv ev w`bi ci w`b D`vi gZv Nyi eovQb|
Gi gaB GKw`b cvK emwQjb wZwb| AbKY em _vKvi ci
Lqvj njvGKUz `~iB co AvQ GKL KvMR| KvMRUvZ wKQy
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mvewgUI Kijb|
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ei AvqZb cwigvc wevbx AvwKwgwWmi cwZ Avwevii K_vI
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cwieZb Avbv hve bv| AvwKwgwWmK G `vwqZ `qv njv| wZwb Mfxi
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Mvmj Kivi Rb wZwb ev_Uve bvgjb| memgq hv nq GeviI Zv
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gyn~Z AvwKwgwWm mgvavbi m~ LyuR cjb| wZwb eySjb cvwbi
GB agK NbZ cwigvc eenvi Kiv me| gyKzUwUK cvwbZ Wvevj
h cwigvY cvwb DcP coe Zv _KB gyKzUi NbZ ei Kiv me|
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evSv me|
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ZzjwQjv h, wZwb ev_Uve _K ewiq bM Aevq knii ivvq
BDiKv! BDiKv! (wMK fvlvqAvwg cqwQ!) ejZ ejZ ivR
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avbi Mfxi i \ KvqvUvqb

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Avwg 273 evPi MvRyqU|
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cvieb| AvMn Ges AvbÌ cveb| Avi GLvb Avcwb `Leb Lye
weij `k| `Leb, 20/50/100 Rb gwnjv GK RvqMvq em AvQ
wK KD Kviv mv_ K_v ejQ bv| Avmj GZRb gwnjv GKmv_
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cvi c_ GZ Pvb Zvì Rb KvqvUvqb iZc~Y|
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LyeB Awi jvM| em _vKZ _vKZ weiI jvM| KvqvUvqbK
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hgb, KD hw` c_gevii gZv KvqvUvqb Avmb, Zvnj c_g w`b
Zvi LyeB A^w, weiw jvMe| gbi fZi K_vjv eyèyì gZv
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kw AvQ, Zgwb gbZvi AvQ Zvi PqI ewk kw| GUvK GKwU
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Zvnj m cvwb w`qB Rjwe`yr Zwii gZv eo cK Pvjvbv hvq|
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gvbyli Rb cvjb Kiv Zgb KwVb bq, wK IRbi w`K _K
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KvR Avme?
Di : Avmj GB h ejQb PvKwi LyuRI cvQb bv ev Avcbvi fvB
ivZw`b coI fvjv KiZ cviQ bv, Avcbvi evev eemvq evi evi
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eySZ bv cviv ev eySZ cvijI Zv _K ewiq AvmZ bv cviv|
cwZwU e_ZvKB mvdj icvwiZ Kiv me hLb GKRb gvbyl
Zvi fyjjvK ai mvdji Rb cqvRbxq Yvewj Avq KiZ
cvib| Avi GLvbB KvqvUvqbi iZ| KviY KvqvUvqb ev
gbmvabvi gvag GKRb gvbyl Mfxifve AvZchvjvPbvi myhvM
cvb| ^vfvweK RvMZ Aevq h gb _vK Awi, Akv, Zv-B gbZvi
gvag Av Av cek Ki wi, kv, Mfxi GK Dcjwi i|
`bw`b Rxebi nZvkv, DM ev fqK Qvwcq ew ZLb jvf Ki
GK Af~Zc~e ckv Dcjwi Av^v`| Avi m chvqB Zvi c me
nq msKxY AvPiY AfvmjvK kbv Kiv Ges Zv ai gy AvPiY
Afvm Af nIqv|
Avmj esk ciivq ev cPwjZ mgvRi msvi, wekvm ev aviYvK
MnY KiZ wMq AwaKvsk gvbylB ck Ki bv h, G wekvmi Kvbv
KjvYKi ev hywMvn w`K Av` AvQ wK bv| G cm GKwU M
AvQ| GK wLvb cwievii Qv gq eow`bi AvM Zvi gvK Ki
Qvbvi iv KiZ `LwQjv|
m `LwQjv Zvi gv Ki Qvbvi Mjv Ges cQbi w`K _K ek
wKQyUv ev` w`q evwKUv Ifb XvKvQ| G wbq Zvi gvK ck Kij
gv ejjv, Avwg KviYUv Rvwb bv, Ze Avwg Avgvi gvK GfveB
KvUZ `LwQ| Zzwg RvbZ PvBj ZvK wRm KiZ cviv| gqwU
ZLb Zvi bvbxgvi KvQ Mj|
bvbxgv ZvK ejjb, AvwgI Avgvi gv-K GfveB KvUZ
`LZvg, wK KviYUv AvwgI Rvwb bv| Zzwg Zvi KvQ wRm Ki
`LZ cviv| gq ZLb Zvi bvbxi gv A_vr eogvi KvQ Mj| wZwb
ZLb LyeB ev| ùvZ co MQ, Kvb Kg kvbb|
gqwU ZvB Rvi Rvi ZvK GB ck Kivi ci eogv ùvZnxb gyL
GKMvj nm ejjb, Avgiv hLb msmvi i Kwi, ZLb cqmvi Afve
Av Ki Qvbv iv Kivi gZv eo KovB Avgiv wKbZ cvwi wb| h
QvU KovBUv Avgvì wQjv ZvZ Ki Qvbvi mvgbi Ges cQbi
AskUzKz Ifve KU djj ZvZ AuvUZv Ges Avwg Zv-B KiZvg|
Zvgvi gv-bvbxiv nqZv mUv `LB Ifve KiQ, hwÌ GLb Zvì
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eo KovBqi Kvbv Afve bB|

A_vr G M _K Avgiv `wLAwaKvsk mgqB Avgiv cPwjZ
avb-aviYv ev wekvmi A AbyKiY Kwi Gi fvjv-g` wePvi bv KiB
Ges `Lv hvq, GB msKxY AvPiY-Afvm ev v `wfwi KviYB
Avgvì Rxeb e_Zvq NyicvK LvQ, nZvkvq Zwjq hvQ ev GKB
fyji cybivew NUQ|
wK mvdji Rb, cvPzhi Rb GB v wekvmi kLj _K
gy nZ ne| KviY cvPzhZv wei nvK, wP ev bwZKZv, ag
ev mRbkxjZvi nvKevc-`v`vi cPwjZ v msvi _K
ewiq hviv gy AvPiY Afvm mw KiZ ciQb, ZvivB BwZnvmi
cvZvq iYxq-eiYxq wnme wbRì bvg wjwLqQb|
KvqvUvqb GB v wekvmi kLjgywiB GK djcm~ cwqv|
KviY GKUv jLvevSvB nvqvBU evW bZzb wKQy jLvi AvM hgb
evWUvK cwivi Ki wbZ nq, Zgwb gy AvPiY Afvm Af
nIqvi RbI v I wZKi AfvmP _K ewiq AvmZ nq|
ck : gwWUkb gb GKw`K wbe _vK bv| memgq bvbvb wPv fi
Ki| `xNw`b hver GiKg nQ| KiYxq Kx?
Di : gwWUkbi mv_ mv_ KvqvUvqb KiZ ne| mvn GKw`b
Ki hLb KvqvUvqb ev gb mvabvq Avcwb wbgM _vKeb, `Leb
bxieZvi kw ev wnibq gbZvK Avcwb Abyfe KiZ cviQb|
Avmj AvaNv gwWUkbi gvag Avgvì cvwjv wK QvU;
ckvw, my^v ev mvdji wKQy wQUduvUv| AbK mgq wbRK wi
KiZ KiZB AvaNv jM hvq| wK KvqvUvqbi gvagB me
mwZKvi Mfxi gwWUkbi ^v` DcfvM Kiv| Avi mUvB wbRi
AiZg mv ev we mvebvi AvKii mv_ mshywi cKZ c_|
Ze Zvi Rb mgq w`Z ne| KviY wPvk~b Aevq cuQvi AvM
AbKUv mgqB KU hve niKiKg wPvi eyèy`jvK mvgvj w`Z
wMq| Gici GKUv mgq gb neAvcwb GKwb nZ cviQb Ges
mUvK ai ivLZ cviQb|
GUvB mwZKvi ckvwi i| Avi GB i h wPv Avm, mUvB
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`ytL Riv evwa KzwPv `ywvK|
mgyì Zj`ki kl cv _K h mybvwgi De Zv hgb fvwmq
wbq hvq mewKQy, KvqvUvqbI Zgwb DcjwUv Avm gbi MfxiZg
c`k _K| Avi m DcjwB hyM hyM `k `k wPvi ivR
NwUqQ wec-e, cw_exi gvbylK w`qQ bZzb c_i w`kv|
ck : KvqvUvqb Kx? mvdj I cvPzhi Rb Gi GZ iZ Kb?
Di : AvZ Dbqbi GKwU djcm~ cwqv KvqvUvqb| wekl
wb`kvewj AbymiY Ki gb mvabvi bvgB njv KvqvUvqb| Ze
gbZvi G cwqv bZzb wKQy bq| hyM hyM cw_exi me Rbc`B agxq
gnvgvbe ev AvavwZK mvaK ev LvwZgvb ewiv G gbmvabvi
gvagB mZvb DvwmZ nqQb; bZzb wPvi m~, bZzb aviYv,
evwbK mZ ev ec-weK wPvi mvb w`q mfZvK GwMq wbq
MQb| Avi dvDkbi KvqvUvqb G gbZvi kwK Avq KiviB
GK PPvi bvg hvZ AskMnYKvixiv wbw` w`bjvZ wbavwiZ mgq
Kvbv K_v bv ej wbw` welq wbq wPv ev avbgM _vKb|
gbK Avgiv hw` GKUv Dvj mgyì m Zzjbv Kwi, Zvnj gbi
ewniveiY njv GB mgyì Ziz DcwifvM, mvivYB hv D_vjcv_vj Ki| ^vfvweK RvMZ Aevq gb gvMZ GK wPv _K AviK
wPvq QvUvQywU Ki; fq, Avkv ev AwiZvq Avv nq|
KvqvUvqb GB gbKB wi Kivi Afvm Kiv nq| wew
wPvjv ZLb mi hZ _vK| gb cek KiZ _vK Mfxi _K
Mfxi| mgyì Zj`k h iKg kv mgvwnZ Zgwb `xNmgq gbZvi
gvag GKUv chvq gbI cek Ki GK Af~Zc~e ckv Abyf~wZi
RMZ| mshvM NU wPvi g~j Drm ev field of pure potentiality-i
m| Avi wPvi GB Drmg~j _K DrmvwiZ vb, aviYv ev Z_ w`qB
hyM hyM gnvgvbeiv cw_exK w`qQb bZzb mvebvi mvb|
KvqvUvg gKvwb w`qI welqwU evLv Kiv hZ cvi| c`v_i
GK z`Zg KYv njv BjKUb| GB BjKUbi GKUv wWKvwnqvi
(Decoherence level) i AvQ hUv cijB BjKUbwU gyn~Z
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e`j hvq| GK Kc_ _K AviK Kc_ Pj hvq Ges AvMi

Pwi cv m~Y wfb Pwi aviY Ki| GwU ZLb bZzb Kc_ bZzb
kwmb GK bZzb BjKUb| Avi wPvi GB wWKvwnqvi
i hvIqvi cwqvB njv KvqvUvqb|
gvbyli APZbv njv mKj we mvebvi AvKi| KvqvUvqb
GB APZbvi kwKB KvR jvMvbv nq, gbK fwiq `qv nq GK
ckv MwZgqZvq| GB ckv cwiQb gb hKvbv mvdj ev cvPzhi
gbQwe GZ Mfxifve cwcZ nq h, PvIqv ^Zt~Zfve cvIqvi
cwqvq mshy nq hvq| Rxeb mvRvbv hvq bZzb AvwK, bZzb iO|
ck : cvPzhi mv_ KvqvUvqbi Kvbv mK AvQ wK?
Di : cvPzhi Rb cqvRb kwi g~j Drmi mv_ mshvM| hLvb
_K cvPzh Avm mB kwi g~j Drmi mv_ AvcbvK mshy _vKZ
ne Ges Gi Rb cqvRb nQKwiqv, ckv cZq| KvqvUvqb
Kwiqv mw Ki, msKxY AvPiY-Afvm _K AvcbvK gy Ki|
hLb Avcwb KvqvUvqb Kib, wPvi g~j Drm ejqi mv_ mshy
nb Ges hLb Avcwb field of pure potentiality Gi mv_ mshy nb
ZLb Ang wejxb nq hvq AvZvi gvS, AvZkwi gvS| Ang wejxb
njB msKxY AvPiY-Afvm _K ewiq Gm Avcwb bZzb AvPiYAfvm mw KiZ cvieb, bZzb ^fve mw KiZ cvieb| wVK ZLbB
Avcwb mwZKvifve m` ev cvPzhi c_ AMmi nZ cvieb|
Avmj Avgiv gb Kwi, ay KvR KijB cvPzh Avme| ay KvR
KijB cvPzh Avm bv KviY MvavI cPzi KvR Ki, GKRb w`bgRyiI
cPzi KvR Ki wK cvPzh Avm bv| cvPzhi Rb cqvRb kwi g~j
Drmi mv_ mshy nIqv| ZvnjB Avcwb gwi DvebxkwK
h_vh_fve eenvi KiZ cvieb|
ck : Avgvi WvqvewUm AvQ, KvqvUvqb Kivi mgq hw` Lvevi
cqvRb nq, Zvnj LvIqv hve wK?
Di : LvIqv hve, Kvbv Amyweav bvB| hvì WvqvewUm ev Ab
Kvbv mgmv AvQKvqvUvqbi mgq cqvRb Zviv LZ cvieb|
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ck : Avcwb ejQb Avgiv gbI _vwK bv, K_vI ewj bv| gvb `yUvi
gvSvgvwS| gb _vKv gvb Zv GKevi Pzc _vKv, wK K_v ejv gvb
wK memgq AbeiZ K_v ejv?
Di : Avmj Avgiv gb _vwK bv, K_vI ewj bvGi gvb wK
memgq AbeiZ K_v ejv GB A_ bq| Avgiv hLb K_v ewj, ZLb
gbvhvM wK Avgvì K_vi w`K _vK| Avgiv K_v ewj Avevi
AbwKQyI fvwe| fvewQ, ejwQ| gbUv wK K_vi ga bq| hLb Avcwb
K_vi mv_ GKvKvi nq hveb, h K_v ejQb mB K_v Qvov Ab
Kvbv fvebv Avcbvi ga _vKe bv, ZLb GB K_vUvB kw nq hve
Ges mB K_vi kw gbZvi kwi Pq Kg bq| mB Rb Avgiv
ejwQjvg, Avgiv K_vI ewj bv, gbI _vwK bv|
ck : KvqvUvqbi Pq bkvqb Avgvi KvQ ewk fvjv jvM,
m Avwg Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : Avmj Lye fvjv jvMv wK mvabvi Rb iZc~Y bq, mvabvi
Rb iZc~Y nQ evKiY AbymiY Kiv| iZc~Y nQ GB KvRUv
Avcbvi Rb cqvRbxq wK bv|
ck : Nyg KvqvUvqbi GKwU eo evNvZ| ay KvqvUvqb bq eis
`bw`b me KvRB GwU mgmv mw Ki| G evcvi Avcbvi KvQ
mgvavb PvB|
Di : hLbB Nyg Nyg fve Avme, AaPvmb Ki beb| ci `Leb
h, AbKY Nyg AvmQ bv| Avi KvqvUvqb em hw` Nyg Avm, Ze
cvmb em _vKzb| nuvUzZ hLb e_v nZ _vKe ZLb Nyg Avme bv|
ejeb, KZY ci Zv cv k nq hve| nvK cv k| ci `yRb
Ub Zzje| A_vr Avcwb hw` NygvZ bv Pvb, Avcwb hw` mvabv KiZ
Pvb, c_Uv AvcbvK ei Ki wbZ ne| Avcwb hw` mRvM _vKvi
evcvi wmwiqvm nb, Avcwb `Leb h, Avcwb mRvM _vKZ cviQb|
ck : ah I gbvhvM mnKvi myì KvqvUvqb Kxfve Kiv hvq?
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Di : GUv PPv Ges Afvmi evcvi| KvqvUvqb wK Avmj GKUv

Afvm| ^fve icvi KiZ ne KvqvUvqbK| ZLb Avcwb
hKvbv RvqMvq hKvbv Aevq KvqvUvqb KiZ cvieb| A_vr
Abykxjb KiZ ne| KvqvUvqbUvK Avcbvi second nature-G
icvwiZ KiZ ne| hZ Afvm Kieb ZZ GwU evoZ _vKe|
ck : Avwg RvbZ PvB KvqvUvqbi mgq cvev Kv_vq? gb _vKZ
nj GKv _vKZ ne Avi Zv Zv me bq| `ywgwbU K_v bv ejj
eDqi LuvPv LZ nq|
Di : LuvPv Lj Avi KvqvUvqb Kieb Kxfve| LuvPv LqI
Avcwb LuvPv Lvb bvB, KD LuvPv `q bvBG iKg fveeb| hZevi
LuvPv è Avcwb cv-GKwUf _vKeb, hb Avcwb LuvPv Lvb wb Ges
gb _vKeb, ZvnjB ne| mgq cveb| Ze Avmj K_v nQ
KvqvUvqb Kivi RvqMv Ni bq, KvqvUvqb Kivi Rb mvaviYfve
Nii evBi hZ ne| hLvb Mj eDqi LuvPv LZ ne bv| Avi
GLb KvqvUvqbi mePq myì RvqMv nQ jvgvi KvqvUvgg|
ck : KvqvUvqbi cwqv Rvbv AvQ, mUvi KqK evi KiwQ|
gmwR` ev wbRb Kvbv Kvgiv ev wbRb Kvbv vb KvqvUvqb Kiv
hve wK bv `qv Ki Rvbveb?
Di : KvqvUvqbi Rb wKQyUv wbRb RvqMv AekB cqvRb|
mLvb Avcbvi gbvhvM AviKRb wewNZ Kie bv| wK GKevi
hw` AbKY wbRb mgq KvUvZ Pvb, Ze Avcwb nuvwcq DVeb,
Avcwb cvieb bv| h KviY c_g Avgiv ewjw`b mvZ _K
AvUNv gb _vKzb|
Avi gb _vKeb Kxfve! gb _vKvi cwqv AvQ| wbw` wPv
wbq| wKQy wKQy wPvi LvivK AvQ, wKQy wKQy wPvi welq AvQ| mB
welqjvK wbq Avcwb wPvUvK gv^q Hw`K cwiPvwjZ Kieb
Ges Kx Kieb Zvi wb`kbvI `qv AvQ| KviY, Avcwb hw` ay
PzcPvc em _vKb Ze wKQyY ci wei nq hveb|
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Avevi wbRi mv_ h wbR K_v ejeb, Kx K_v ejeb mUv hw`
AvM _K wVK Kiv _vK Zvnj AvRevR K_v Kg ne| m Rb
hLb KvqvUvqb emeb, AvM wkw_jvqb Kieb| `n-gbK wkw_j
Kieb| `nUvK wkw_j Ki djyb, gbI Av Av wi nZ
_vKe| gbi ewniveiYi h Zijv, mjv Av Av wi nZ
_vKe Ges KvqvUvqb i ne wbRi mv_ K_v ejv _K| GK
gbi wfZiB ay K_v nQ| AbK K_v| K_v ejZ ejZ GKUv
mgq gb Kv nq hvq| K_v ejv KgZ _vK|
wK c_gw`b GUv KwVb| bvbvb w`K wPv Pj hve| Zvici
wZxq w`b Av Av Pzc _vKZ fvjv jvMe| Avevi, AbK mgq
wZxq w`bI H GKB Aev| D_vj-cv_vj Aev fZi Pje| ZZxq
w`b kqZvb cQb Lye ewk Ki jvMe| KviY kqZvb eySZ cviQ,
Gì cQb hw` ewk Ki bv jvwM Ges G hw` GKevi fvjv gvbyl
nq hvq Zv Avgvi Lei AvQ!
G KviY kqZvb ewk Ki jvMZ cvi| Aviv Awi jvMe| hZ
w`b hve Av Av fZiUv kv nZ _vKe| KviY GLb Avcwb
òvQb| `woq nVvr Ki kixiUvK Kx wi Kiv me! kixiUvK
wi KiZI Zv mgq jvMe| GRb KvqvUvqb Avcwb PzcPvc em
_vKjB wK gb _vKZ cvieb!
gb nZI mgq jvM| Gici hLb wbqwgZ KvqvUvqb KiZ i
Kieb, Av Av Avcwb Mfxi hZ _vKeb| Av Av Avcbvi
wPv m~ _K m~Zi nZ i Kie Ges Ggb GKUv mgq Avme
h, GUv m~ nZ nZ myPvM nq DVe, gyn~Z Dcjwi RMrUvB cv
hve| Ges GUv hKvbv mgq AvmZ cvi|
GwU wZb w`b AvmZ cvi, GwU wZb eQi AvmZ cvi Ges nVvr
KiB Avcwb Abyfe Kieb, GB nQ mZ| Avwg Rvwb mZ Kx|
hfve gnvgvbeiv evwa jvf KiQb, mZi mB i Avcwb DcbxZ
neb, Avcbvi AvPiY-Afvm e`j hve| Avcwb nq hveb Avjv`v
gvbyl| avb Kijb wVKB, wK Avcwb hw` mB AvMi gvbylwUB iq
hvb, Zvnj eySZ ne Avcbvi avb nq wb|
hgb, bvgvR co GmB kjvcivgk i KijbAgyKi gv_vq
Kxfve evwo èb| wZb-Pvi nvwR mvne wgj AvjvPbv i Ki
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w`jbAgyKi wei wg_v mvUv Kxfve Zwi Kiv hvq! Lvevi

Kxfve fRvj èv! gwWUkb Kivi ciI hw` Avcbvi cyibv
AvPiY-AfvmB _K hvq, Zvi gvb nQh jfj hvIqv ìKvi,
mB jfj hZ cvib wb| mB jfj hLb hveb Pvicvki
gvbylB ejeAvcwb Avi AvMi gvbylwU bB, Avcwb e`j MQb|
ck : cvPzhevb nIqvi Rb `wfwi iZ KZUzKy? Kx `wfw MnY
Kiv DwPZ? Gi Rb KvqvUvqb Kxfve mvnvh KiZ cvi?
Di : Rxebi g~j welq njv `wfw| cvPzhevb Avcwb ZLb nZ
cvieb hLb mwVK `wfw MnY KiZ cvieb| hLb Avcbvi jUv
A_ bq, jUv ne mev| mev Ki KD KLbv `wi` _vK wb, `wi`
_vKZ cvi bv| mev Ges `vwi` cii weivax|
Avcwb hw` mev w`Z cvib, cvPzh AvmeBewMZfve nvK,
mvsMVwbKfve nvKcvPzh AvmeB| mev whwb KiZ cvib Zvi
Afve _vKZ cvi bvhw` Kvbv ivM Qvov, Kvbv vf Qvov
AvwiKfve mev `b| Avgvì Rxeb cvPzh Avm bv Kb, Avgiv
KvR Kwi vf wbq, weiw wbq|
GKRb Wvvi| Zvi mePq eo myhvM nQ mev `qv| wK GLb
GKRb Wvvi wK Avbw`Z wP, KZwP ivMxi mev Kib,
ivMxK civgk `b? kZKiv beB fvM `b bv| h KviY
Zvì Rxeb A_ Avm wK cvPzh Avm bv| KviY wZwb `b weiw
mnKvi| Kvbv mev hw` weiw mnKvi `qv nq Zvnj mUvi
eiKZ b nq hvq| mev w`Z ne Avbw`Z wP| mevi evB-cvWv
wnme cvPzh Avme|
Avcwb fveebAvwg GB KvRwU KiwQ Zvi KjvYi Rb, m hvZ
DcKZ nq| GB h `wfwi cwieZb, GB WfjcgUUv Avm
avbi i, GB cwieZbUv Avm KvqvUvqb jfj| A_vr cyibv
AfvmUv hLb Avcwb fO ewiq hveb, Avcwb `Leb Avcbvi
Kvbv AwfhvM _vKe bv|
Avcbvi Rxeb hw` vf _vK, AwfhvM _vK, Zvnj eySZ ne
Avcwb Avmj `wfwUvK cvvZ cvib wb| wKQyY PzcPvc em
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wQjb wK `wfw cvvq wb| AZGe, ZLb Avcbvi cvPzh Avme bv|
`wfw cv djyb, vf _K gy nvb, Kvbv iKg weiw QvovB
Avbw`ZwP mev w`b, cvPzh Avme| ZLb Afve Avcbvi nZ cvi
bv| Avcbvi gavUv mevq icvwiZ nq hve, cvPzh Avme|
Avevi Avcwb ay mev Kijb, gavK weKwkZ Kijb bv,
ZvnjI cvPzh Avme bv| GKevi GKRb wkKK ejv njv h,
GKw`bi Rb Lvj KvUZ ne| wZwb ejjb, eeQi Avwg Zv
Kv`vj PvjvB bv Ges Ke Kv`vj aiwQjvg Zv-I Lqvj bvB| Avwg
Zv Lvj KvUZ cviev bv| Avwg eis GUv KiZ cvwi, Avwg GKw`b
Avgvi RvqMvq AviKRb jvKK wbqvM KiZ cvwi h Lvj KvUvZ
GcvU, h Kv`vj PvjvZ GcvU, Zvi mvivw`bi cqmvUv Avwg w`q
w`Z cvwi| ZvZ LvjI KvUv ne, KvRUvI ne Ges Avgvi nvZI
dvv coe bv|
GUv nQ gav| Avcwb Rxeb Kv`vj aib bvB, nVvr Ki GKw`b
GKevi hLb gvwU KvUeb, wZxqevi aivi ci Avcbvi nvZ dvv
co hve, Gici mvZw`b Avcwb nvZi dvv wVK Kivi Rb b
Kijb| AZGe, mev gvb ay kg bq| mev gvb nQ gav w`q
mev Kiv| Ze wbRi kvixwiK mgZv evovbvi Rb gvS gvSB
wbqg Ki KvwqK kg Kiv gav weKvki RbI DcKvix|
hgb aib, GKRb ev QvB wew KiQ, wK Gi cQb Zv
Kvbv gav bB| A_ev, Avcwb wkj-cvUv Lv`vBqi KvR Kib|
Avcwb cwikg KiQb, mev w`Qb| wK GwU Zv cvPzh Gb è bv|
KviY wKQyw`b ci wkj-cvUvi cqvRb ne bv| wKQyw`b ci wK ne
me uov gmjv| KviY cvUvq gmjv ckvi GbvwR Ges mgq gwnjvì
GLb bB| wKQyw`b ci Aviv _vKe bv| Avcwb wkj-cvUv Lv`vBq
hZ eo GcvU nvb, Avcwb eKvi nq hveb| AZGe Kx mev
w`Qb GUv iZc~Y| mev w`Z ne h mevi memgq Pvwn`v evoe|
Avcwb hv Kib mUvi wekl nZ ne AvcbvK Ges mevUv
w`Z ne AvwiKfve| Avcwb hLvbB hvbAvwiKfve mev w`b,
cvPzh AvmeB| Avcwb Avcbvi hviv mx-mv_x Zvì Pq Ici DV
hveb| Avi KvqvUvqb Avcbvi gavK kbv KiZ Ges gavK
mevq icvwiZ KiZ ciYv hvMve|
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ck : Avcwb ejQb, mvdj I cvPzhi Rb KvqvUvqbi iZ

Acwimxg| wK hviv AZxZ mvdj, cvPzh ARb KiQb, Zviv wK
KvqvUvqb KiwQjb?
Di : bv, Zviv KvqvUvqb Kib wb| hvì D`vniY w`B Zviv
AwaKvskB KvqvUvg MvRyqU bb, AZGe Zviv KvqvUvqb Kxfve
Kieb! wK KvqvUvqb Avgiv hv Kwi Zviv Zv KiQb| Zviv wnibq
gbZv, we gbZv, hLvb GKRb gvbyl mB i cuQ wbRi
AvZvi mv_ mshy nq, wd Ad wcIi cUbwkqvwjwUGi mv_ mshy
nqQb| m Rb Zviv cPwjZ e _K ewiq hZ ciQb|
hgb, `wY Kvwiqvi GKRb abKzei Pzs Ry Rs| wZwb vB
Kcvikbi gvwjK wQjb| Lye Mwie, Mvg f~wg kwgK wnme KvR
KiZb| wK f~wg kwgK wnme Zvi fvjv jvMjv bv| Zvi gb njv,
GB e _K ewiq AvmZ ne| evevK ejjb, evev ivwR njb bv|
Zvi evwo wQjv Di KvwiqvZ| evevi Mi wew Ki w`q mB
Mii UvKv wbq wZwb evwo _K ewiq Mjb|
h gvbylwU evevi Mi wew Ki cvjvZ eva nqwQjb, wbR _K
A_ msMni Kvbv Dcvq wQjv bv50 eQi ci Di Kvwiqvq
`ywfi mgq mB gvbylwUB `wY Kvwiqv _K GK nvRvi UvK
evSvB Mi wKb wbq wMqwQjb|
AZGe, GB e _K eiZ ne| AZxZ hvivB mvdj ARb
KiQb, cvPzh ARb KiQb Zviv e _K ewiq GmQb| G
Aevq Avwg m bB, G Aev _K AvgvK ewiq hZ neGB
Zvobv fZi mw nZ ne|
Avi G Zvobv ZLbB mw nq, hLb Avcwb wbRi AMZ mvi
mv_ mshy nZ cvieb| Avi mUvi RbB GKUv Mvgvi nQ
KvqvUvqb| Mvgvi mPZbfve djv Ki mdj neb Avcwb| Avi
AZxZ hviv mdj nqQb Zviv Mvgvi bv Rb mB KvRwU
^Zt~Zfve Ki mdj nqQb|
ck : Avwg AcqvRbxq K_v Kg ejZ PvB| ZeyI gyL w`q ei nq
hvq| GRb Avcbvi civgk PvB|
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Di : GUv Lye mnR| hLbB AcqvRbxq K_v gyL w`q ei nq hve

Zvici GKw`b KvqvUvqb Kieb Ges gvwUi evsK GKk UvKv
ivLeb| hw` cwZwU AcqvRbxq K_vi Rb G eev Pvjy Kib
Avgiv wbwZ GKgvm ci Avcbvi gyL w`q AcqvRbxq K_v ei
nIqvi mvebv Kg hve|
ck : btk _K kw wiRvf nq wK Kxfve mUv Ab fvjv KvR
eeZ nq? Kxfve evSv hve h, cwZw`b Avgvi kw evoQ?
Di : wWg _K evPv ei nIqvi AvM wK evSv hvq h, GB wWgUvi
gaB evPvUv wQjv? evSv hvq bv| Avi evSvi Rb Avcwb hw`
cwZw`b gyiwMK Zv `qv _K mwiq wWg `LZ hvb, Zvnj Kx ne?
mB wWg dzU Avi KLbv evPv eive bv| hgb, ivRnuvmi wWg
ivì Avjv cojB wWg b nq hvq, Zv _K Avi evPv nq bv|
GLvbI Avcwb hw` cwZw`bB eySZ Pvb h, Avcbvi kw evoQ
wK bv, Zvnj GKB Aev ne| Zvi Pq wbqwgZ KvqvUvqb Kib|
mgq w`b| wKQyw`b ci dj Avcwb wbRB eySZ cvieb|
hviv wbqwgZ KvqvUvqb KiQb ZvìK wRm Kib h, wbqwgZ
KvqvUvqb Ki Zvì Kx Kx DcKvi nqQ| DcKvi bv nj KD
w`bi ci w`b Kb KvqvUvqb mgq eq Kieb? KviY mdj gvbyliv
KLbv AcqvRb mgq eq Ki bv| gbZvq DcKvi bv cj
gnvgvbeiv KLbv Gi cQb mgq eq KiZb bv|
ck : GKRb wLvb wnme Avwg agxq w`K w`q KvqvUvqb _K Kx
Kx DcKvi jvf KiZ cviev?
Di : Avmj GKRb wLvb hw` wbqwgZ KvqvUvqb Kib, gb mvabv
Kib Zvnj wZwb GKRb fvjv wLvb neb, m icvwiZ neb|
GKRb gymjgvb hw` wbqwgZ KvqvUvqb Kib Zvnj wZwb GKRb
fvjv gymjgvb neb, eyRyM icvwiZ neb| GKRb wn`y hw` wbqwgZ
KvqvUvqb Kib Zvnj wZwb GKRb fvjv wn`y neb, FwlZ
icvwiZ neb| GKRb e hw` wbqwgZ KvqvUvqb Kib Zvnj
wZwb GKRb fvjv e neb, wfzZ icvwiZ neb|
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A_vr KvqvUvqb ev gb mvabv nQ GKUv cwqv ev Abykxjb|

whwbB Abykxjb Kieb wZwb G _K mgvbfve DcKZ neb| AZGe
Avcbvi ag wekvm hv-B nvK, KvqvUvqb _K Avcwb mgvbfve
DcKZ nZ cvieb|
ck : General mind discuss people, average mind discuss
events, great mind discuss ideas and greatest mind acts in
silence. G K_vi gvb Kx?
Di : General mind discuss people, average mind discuss

events, great mind discuss ideas and greatest mind acts in
silence. A_vr mvaviYiv jvKRb (Abì) wbq K_v ej, MocoZv
wkwZiv NUbv wbq AvjvPbv Ki| eywgvbiv aviYv wewbgq Ki,

AvjvwKZiv wnibq gbZvq nvwiq hvq|
A_vr AgyK Kx cvkvKUv cijv, AgyK gyLUv KxiKg Kijv,
AgyKi `nfw KxiKg njvGUv wbq hLb AvjvPbv Kib, ZLb
evSv hve wPv-PZbvi AZ wbi Avcwb wePiY KiQb| Zvi
Pq GKUz Icii i ev MocoZvi i nQ average mind Gi i
hLb Avcwb Kvbv NUbv wbq Avjvc Kieb|
Avcwb hLb we ZLb AvjvPbv Kib aviYv ev AvBwWqv wbq| Avi
cviv Wye hvb wnibq gbZvq| GUvB mwZKvii Dcjwi i| ZvB
ejv nq, greatest mind always acts in silence.
ck : wd Ad wcIi cUbwkqvwjwU Kx?
Di : wd Ad wcIi cUbwkqvwjwU nQ we mvebvi AvKi|
KvqvUvqbi gvag mB AvKii mv_ hLb Avcwb mshy nQb ZLb
mewKQyB Avcbvi w`K AvK ne| gvbyl AvK ne, A_ AvK ne,
cwiwwZ AvK ne, LvwZ AvK ne, hk AvK ne Ges mUv
m` cwiYZ ne|
APZbvi GB kwKB Avgiv KvR jvMvwQ KvqvUvqbi
gvag| GB MwZgq APZbvi mv_ ckv gb Ges `ni mylg
mg^qi gvagB PZbvi hKvbv i, mì hKvbv i
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Avcbvi DiY NUZ cvi| ckvw Ges MwZgqZvi KviY cwiwwZ,

e, gvbylmewKQyi Ea AvcbvK wbq hve, Kvbv wKQyB AvcbvK
cfvweZ KiZ cvie bv eis Avcwb mewKQyK cfvweZ Kieb|
KvqvUvg g_Wi KvqvUvqbi weklZ nQGi ckv
MwZgqZv| Avgiv hLb KvqvUvqb Kwi ev hLb KvqvUvg jfj
cek Kwi, GwUK eì fvlvq ejv hvq, Do less, accomplish
more. Kg KvR Ki, ewk ARb Ki ev ewk mv`b Ki|
Kg KvR ewk Kg mv`bi c_B nQ gbZv| KvqvUvqb
Avgvì wPv-PZbv I kwi Drmg~j wbq hvq Ges mLvb _K
hLb cwieZb Avm ZLb mybvwgi gZvB GK wekvj Zii mw nq, h
Zi mewKQyK fvwmq wbq hvq|
wPvi g~j Drm A_vr hvK Avgiv ewj field of pure potentiality
mLvb _K hLb Avjvob mw nqQ, cw_ex e`j MQ| Avgiv Zv
evBiiUv `wL, fZii kwK `wL bv|
Avcwb `Lyb, hZ gnvgvbe, huviv AvRKi cw_exZ iYxq-eiYxq,
Zuviv GB KvqvUvqb ev gbZvi kwK ARb KiQb, Zuvì wPv
DrmvwiZ nqQ wPvi Drmg~j _K Ges mviv cw_exK Zuviv mB
wPvq AvjvwoZ KiQb| Zuvì Rxeb LvwZi Afve nq wb, cvPzhi
Afve nq wb, mì Afve nq wb, KvbvwKQyi Afve nq wb| cPwjZ
aviYvi kLjK fO djwQjb gbi mB Mfxi i _K, wPvi
Drmg~j _K|
ck : jvgv KvqvUvqb Kx? Gi DcKvwiZv Kx?
Di : jvgv KvqvUvqb GLb wZbw`bi GKwU wekl Kvhg| eyaevi
ivZ iIbv w`q enwZ, I kwbevigvU wZbw`b| Abe` G
cvMvgwUZ hvivB myhvM cvb, ZvìB hvIqv DwPZ| KviY jvgvq
gwWUkb, gbZvi ^v`B Avjv`v| GUv kni em cvIqv hvq bv|
c_gw`K nqZv wKQyUv GKNq jvMZ cvi| hgb, Avcwb hLb
emeb, LyPiv kqZvb nqZv AvcbvK Awi Ki Zzje| Zvici AZ
kixiUv hLb wi njv, Gici i ne eyèyì gZv K_vi wKjwej|
`ywbqvi hZ K_v| GKUv mgq Av Av K_v KgZ _vKe|
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c_g w`bUv Lye weiwi ga hve| gb neGB i! wKmi ga

cojvg| wZxq w`b _K Avcwb wi KiZ cvieb h, gbZvi
gwngv Kx, AvbÙv Kx| Av Av Avcwb Zv Abyfe KiZ cvieb|
ZZxq w`b Avcwb Abyfe Kieb Avmj kvw Zv cw_exi Ab
Kv_vI bB| kvw AvQ GLvbB| Avcwb AvZvi mv_ ZLb mshy
nIqvi myhvM cveb| ckvwZ AeMvnb Kieb Avcwb| mybvwg hgb
fvwmq wbq hvq, `Leb h, Avcbvi v wPvfvebv AbK wKQy fm
MQ mvZi gZv|
Avmj mybvwg GZ kwkvjx nq Kb? mybvwgI nQ mgyì fZii
f~wgK| mgyì Mfxi hLvb cvwb Ges gvwU wMq wgkQ, mBLvb
hLb KbUv nq| wbP Zv A A KuvcQ wK GB KuvcywbUv hLb
Ici IV, wekvj XD mw Ki, ZLb mewKQyK c-vweZ Ki `q|
gbZv wK mybvwgi PqI kwkvjx| hLb Avcwb KvqvUvqb
Kieb Avcbvi mg v aviYv, Kzmsvi, cvwicvwkKZvi hZ Lvivc
wPv, wZKi wPv me fm hve GB XDq| Avmj cwieZb wbRi
fZi _K nZ nq| AZGe KvqvUvqbi GB myhvM MnY Kieb|
ck : Avwg K_v Kg ewj| wK Avgvi GB Kg K_v ejvK ev gbZvK
AbK AnsKvi ev eqvèi gZv Pzc Ki _vKv fve| wK wKQy wKQy
mgq Avm hLb K_v ejvi gZv Kx AvQ eySZ cvwi bv| GUv wbq
Avgvi kievwoZ ek fyj evSveywS nq| Gi Kx mgvavb? B`vbxs K_v
ejvi cwigvY eva nq evwoqwQ| wK mjv Avgvi KvQ ayB K_vi
AcPq ej gb nq|
Di : G mePq mnR Ges KvhKix UKwbK njvAvcwb ewk
K_v bv ej AcicK ejZ DrmvwnZ Kib| KD K_v ejZ GjB
Avcwb LvwbKUv ej Zvici GKUv `yUv Ki ck ZvK KiZ _vKzb|
K_v LvwbKUv GwMq Mj AveviI ZvK bZzb Kvbv cqU w`b|
wKQyYi gaB `Leb wZwb K_v ejZ GZ ^vQ` eva KiQb h,
wZwbB K_v ejQb| GKw`K wZwb hgb Z nQb, Zgwb AvcwbI
euP hvQb K_v ejv _K|
KviY Avmj ewkifvM gvbylB kvbvi Pq ejZB ewk cQ`
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Ki| wKQyw`b Gfve PjZ _vKj GKUv mgq `Leb kievwoZ

Avcbvi Kì eo hve| KviY mevB ejZ Pvq, bZ Pvq Lye Kg
gvbyl| Avi Avcwb Avcbvi GB kvbvi YUvKB KvR jvMvb|
ck : cv_bvi AvM KvqvUvqb Kij wK cv_bv GKvM ne?
Di : cv_bv mePq myì nq, mePq PgrKvi nq hLb Avcwb
KvqvUvqb Kib| hLb gbZv Aej^b Kib, hLb bxieZv Aej^b
Kib, hLb evBii mg hvMvhvM wQb Ki `b ZLb Avcbvi
hvMvhvM ne ay wbRi mv_, wbRi Aii mv_, AvZvi mv_|
KviY AvZv nQ mvi mv_ hvMvhvMi gvag| GB `n AvZvi
gvag Qvov mvi mv_ hvMvhvM KiZ cvi bv| gb hLb AvZvi mv_
mshy nq ZLbB Avmj mvi mv_ hvMvhvMi c_ Lvjvmv nq hvq|
GRbB AvZwbgMZv Ges GRbB KvqvUvqb|
ck : AbKB ej KvqvUvqb Kiv Lye KwVb| AvmjB wK ZvB?
Di : wKQyUv Zv-B| gbZv nQ gvbyli mnRvZ cew wei|
gvbyli ^fveUvB nQ K_v ejvi, kviMvj Kivi| mnRvZfveB
Avgiv ejZ PvB| G RbB BQ bv _vKjI K_v gyL w`q ewiq
hvq| G wbq Lye gRvi M AvQ|
GKevi Pvi wfz avb wbgM njv| PzcPvc _K avb Kie Zviv|
Gi ga mv nq Mj| Avkgi GKRb meK c`xc Rvwjq Pj
Mj| ZLb c`xc Rvjvbv nZv Pwe w`q| wK GB c`xcUvi Pwei
ga cvwb wQjv|
cvwb _vKvi dj mjZ RjQ Avevi cUcU cUcU Ki AvIqvR
nQ| GB AvIqvR GKRb wei nq Mj, ejjv, evUv e-Avj!
Avgvì gbZvK wewNZ Kivi Rb GiKg Pwe w`qQ| m Zvi
gbZv fO weiw cKvk Ki djjv|
cvkiRb ZLb ejjv, m w`qQw`qQ, Zvgvi K_v ejvi
ìKvi Kx wQjv? AZGe Zvi gbZvI fvOjv|
ZZxqRb ejjv, I ejwQjvejwQjv, Zvgvi K_v ejvi ìKvi
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Kx wQjv? Mj m-I|
PZz_Rb ejjv h, `L, ZvgivB wK K_v ejQv, Avwg wK
Kvbv K_v ewj wb|
A_vr bqR, KgUm, AvIqvR GfveB mswgZ nq| GKRb
bqR mw Kij ay h Zvi gbvhvM b nq Zv bq, Avkcvk mevi
gbvhvM b nq| AZGe KvqvUvqbi mgq Avcwb hw` mZK _vKb
h, Avcwb AmPZbfve Kvbv k mw Kieb bv| ZvnjB
KvqvUvqb Lye mnR nq hve|
ck : xi mv_ mcvikb PjQ| Gme KviY gwWUkb KiZ mgmv
nwQjv| jvgv KvqvUvqb Ki Avmvi ci mUv KU MQ| mgmv
njv, x-ci jvKiv hLb kvb GB msKUi gaI Avwg kvKi
Avjnvg`ywjj-vn, fvjv AvwQ ejwQ, Zviv gb Ki, h gqì m`n
Ki Avgvi x Pj MQ, Avwg eva nq GLb ZvìK wbq fvjv
AvwQ! Avwg Kx Di èv?
Di : Di Lye mnR| kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn! Avwg fvjv AvwQ| hv
m`n Ki KiK| Avcwb ay GKUv K_vB ejeb h, kvKi
Avjnvg`ywjj-vn! Avwg fvjv AvwQ Ges Avgvi mgmvi mgvavb nq
hve| KviY Avwg Avj-vnZ wekvm Kwi Ges wekvm Kwi wZwb hKvbv
mgmvi mgvavb Ki w`Z cvib| Avwg gwWUkbi gvag Avj-vni
KvQ mB c_bv KiwQ|
Avmj K Kx gb Kijv ev K Kx wmv wbjv, ZvZ wKQy Gm
hvq bv| Avcwb Zv-B Kieb hv Avcwb mZ ej wekvm Kib| hv
Avcbvi Rb I Abi Rb KjvYKi|
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`wfwi iZ
ck : `wfw gvb Kx? `wfw Kb GZ iZc~Y? `wfw RxebK
Kxfve e`j `q? Gi evwbK evLv Kx?
Di : Rxeb`w ev `wfw K_vUvi gvb nQ RxebK Avwg Kxfve
`LwQ| Rxeb mK Avgvi wmv Kgb nIqv DwPZG welq GKUv
my AwfgZ| Avi RxebK myì Kivi Rb h GKwU wRwbmi
cqvRb, Zv njv mwVK Rxeb`w| evwK mewKQy ZLb GgwbB Pj
Avm| KviY PvweUv hw` wVK _vK Avcwb ZvjvUv LyjZ cvieb| Zv bv
nj hZ Pvwe _vKzK Avcbvi KvQ, GUv hw` H Zvjvi Pvwe bv nq,
Zvnj mB Zvjv Lvjv hve bv|
Rxebi Zvjv, Rxebi e ìRv Lvjvi Rb h mwVK PvwewUi
ìKvi mB PvwewU ARb Kivi Rb cqvRb mwVK Rxeb`w|
Avmj mKj eveZvi wbgvZv gwK h_vh_fve eenvi Kivi
Rb cqvRb mymsnZ gvbwmK cwZ| Avi gvbwmK cwZi wfw nQ
`wfw, wbqZ ev Awfcvq| KviY gb cwiPvwjZ nq `wfw ev wbqZ
viv| Avi gwK Pvjvq gb|
wevbxiv `xN MelYv KiQb gb I gwi mK wbq| W.
Gjb MvBb, W. Rb gwUj, W. IqvBvi cbwd I W. B iq Rb
`xN MelYvi ci ejQb, GKRb cvMvgvi hfve KwDUviK
cwiPvwjZ Ki, Zgwb gb gwK cwiPvwjZ Ki| gw nQ
nvWIqvi Avi gb nQ mdUIqvi|
bZzb Z_ I bZzb wekvm gwi wbDivb bZzb WbWvBU mw
Ki| bZzb wmbvcmi gvag Zwi nq mshvMi bZzb ivv| e`j
hvq gwi KgKvVvgv| gw ZLb bZzb `wfwi AvjvK bZzb
eveZv Dcnvi `q|
bZzb eveZv fvjv ne bv Lvivc ne, KjvYKi ne bv wZKi
ne Zv wbfi Ki gw `qv Z_ ev cvMvg-Gi fvjv-gì Ici|
KjvYKi Z_ I wekvm KjvYKi eveZv mw Ki Avi wZKi Z_
ev wekvm wZKi eveZv Dcnvi `q| ZvB wbtm`n ejv hvq,
Rxebi bZzb eveZvi PvweKvwV nQ `wfw ev wbqZ|
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wevbxiv ejb`wfw `yaibi|

GK, cv-GKwUf| `yB, wi-GKwUf|
cv-GKwUf A_ nQ hKvbv cwiwwZZ DwRZ ev AveMceY
bv nq Vvv gv_vq wPv-fvebv Ki wmv I c`c MnY|
cv-GKwUf A_ nQ Abi KvRi cwZwqv wnme Kvbv KvR
ev AvPiY bv Kiv| mevevq wbRi j I `wfw Abymvi AvPiY I
Kgcv Aej^b Kiv| cv-GKwUf A_ nQ Kx Kx bB Zv wbq nvZvk bv Ki hv AvQ Zv wbqB mycwiKwZfve KvR i Kiv| cvGKwUf `wfw memgq mvdj I weRq wQwbq Avb|
Aciw`K wi-GKwUf `wfw memgq e_Zv, nZvkv I Akvw mw
Ki| wi-GKwUf nj wbqY wbRi nvZ _vK bv| wbqY Pj hvq
Abi nvZ| Avcwb hLb Abi K_vq K cvb, Abi K_vq iM
hvb, Abi AvPiY va dU cob, Abi Zvlvgvw`Z Drdzjnq IVb, PvUzKvwiZvq Mj hvb, Abi K_vq bvPb, ZLb wbqY Avi
Avcbvi nvZ _vK bv| wbqY Pj hvq Abi nvZ| wi-GKwUf
`wfw Rxeb bwZevPKZv mw Ki|
ck : GKRb cv-GKwUf gvbyli ewk Kx?
Di : GKRb cv-GKwUf gvbyli ewk wZbwU
1. Zviv DwRZ ev AveMceY bv nq Vvv gv_vq wPvfvebv Ki
wmv I c`c MnY Kib|
2. Zviv Kx Kx bB Zv wbq nv-Zvk bv Ki hv AvQ Zv wbqB
mycwiKwZfve KvR Kib|
3. Zviv mvgwqK e_ZvK Lye mnRfve MnY Kib Ges Aev
cwieZbi Rb ahi mv_ wbijmfve KvR Ki hvb|
ck : Avwg Rvwb h, Avwg cv-GKwUf| wK Avgvi Avkcvki
gvbyljv Zv Avgvi gZv bq| mme gvbyli AvPiY Avwg Lye K
cvB| ewkifvM gvbyl Avgvi mijZvi myhvM bq| Gi cwZKvi Kx?
Di : hw` cv-GKwUf nq _vKb Zvnj Avkcvki gvbyli AvPiY
Avcwb K cveb Kb? Avkcvki gvbyli AvPiY K cvb gvbB
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nQ Avcwb wi-GKwUf| cv-GKwUf nj Avkcvki gvbyli AvPiY

Avcbvi `ytL nZvAvnv! G jvKjv KZ nZfvMv| GLbv GiKg
AvPiY Ki| Avgvì hviv gnvgvbe wQjb Zviv gvbyli AvPiY
Kvbvw`b K cvb wb| eis Avkcvki gvbyli Lvivc AvPiY Zvì
RbB K cqQb| Zvì g~LZv, Zvì `xbZvi Rb `ytL
cqQb| Zvì myeyw Kvgbv KiQb|
ck : KD Mvq nvZ Zzjj Kxfve cv-GKwUf _vKv hvq?
Di : Mvq nvZ Zzjj Avcwb Kx KiZ cvib? nvZUvK aiZ
cvib| hw` nvZUvK aivi kw Avcbvi _vK| GRb nvZ aivi kw
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gb ivLeb, `yeji Kvbv ez nq bv Ges `yej cwZKvi KiZ cvi
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cwZKvi Kxfve Kiv hvq Zvi wPv Kieb Ges Vvv gv_vq mfve
c`c beb|
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Di : GLvb KqKwU evcvi AvQ| c_g njv, hLb AvcbvK
MvwjMvjvR KiQ, eKvewK KiQ, Gme Avcbvi cv-GKwUwfwUi
cwiPq nQ cvv Reve bv w`q bxie _vKv| A_vr GLvb GUv mnR
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Avcbvi Po gvivi kw AvQ, ZLbI Avcwb mn KiQbGUv Lye
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gvivi kw bB, Avcwb Zv mn KiebB| GUv nQ `yeji KvR|
Avevi mewKQyB mnR gb bqv hvq bv| hgb Abvq nQ, Ryjyg
nQGUv Avcwb gb wbZ cvib bv| hw` Avcbvi kw _vK Zvnj
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Abvqi cwZKvi KiZ ne| Avi hw` kw bv _vK Zvnj GUv h

Abvq Zv ejZ ne, cvwicvwkK RbgZ Mo ZzjZ ne Ges hvi
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hvMvZ ne hvZ m Gi cwZKvii kw ARb KiZ cvi Ges
AvwiKfve Zvi Rb `vqv KiZ ne|
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mvmxK cvB, Zvnj wK cv-GKwUf _K Pzc _vKev, bv gviev?
AZvPvwiZi cwZ Avgvi LyeB mnvbyf~wZ| mvmxK wgw K_v ejj
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Di : cv-GKwUf K_vUvi A_ nQ, hKvbv Aevq m Aevi
cwZ mevg wmv bqv| mevg KiYxq wVK Kiv| AZvPvwiZi
cwZ Avcbvi mnvbyf~wZ cksmbxq| wK cwZ Qvov ev VKvbvi mvg_
Qvov Avcwb hLb GKRb mvmxK cZvNvZ KiZ hveb, Avcwb ZLb
fyj Kieb| KviY GZ AvcwbI wkKvi neb GKB cwiYwZi| nqZv
`Lv hve Avcwb kvixwiK, gvbwmK ev Avw_K wechqi gyL coQb|
ZvB mvmi wei, AZvPvii wei cwZev` bq, cwZKvii
mgvavb hZ ne| KviY cwZev` njv `yeji KvR| wK cwZKvi
KiZ nj kw mq KiZ nq, cwZ wbZ nq|
aibwQbZvB nQ, Avcbviv `yRb ev wZbRb wQbZvBKvixK ai
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11 Rb, Avi Avcwb GKv| G Aevq Avcwb AveMi ek Suvwcq
cojb| mUv cv-GKwUf Kvbv wmv ne bv| KviY AveM bq,
cv-GKwUf wmv ^vfvweK wePvi-eywUvB ewk chvR|
Avmj Rxeb KLbv KLbv AvcvZ`wZ cv`cmiYi ìKvi
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mevB ai wbjv BsiR evwnbx cvwjqQ| wK GB cv`cmiYKZ
cwkwZ mbivB Pvi eQi ci Aviv msMwVZ nq Rvgvwb AvgY
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Kijv Ges evwjb wbRì cZvKv Iovjv| KvRB nVKvwiZv bq,

AveMekZ jvdvjvwd bq, AvmjB Avcwb KZUv cvieb mUv fe
wbq Abvqi cwZKvi KiZ ne, cwZev` bq|
ck : Kviv Abvq AvPiY `Lj Avwg Avi wi _vKZ cvwi bv| mv_
mv_B cwZev` KiZ PvB| G Afvmi Rb AbK SvgjvqI
cowQ| Kx KiYxq?
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KLbv Kvbv jvf nq bv| wKQyw`b Lye PuPvgwP nq, n-nvvgv nq|
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DwPZ Zv njv cwZKvi|
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bq, mgvavbi D`vMB _vK Zvi| dj mwVK wmv I c`c
bqvUv nq Zvi Rb mnR|
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wK eveZv nQ, ivM-va w`q KD KLbv fvjv wKQy KiZ cvi
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mdj nqQ|
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bB| mBme cwiwwZ Kxfve AwZg Kiev?
Di : Avmj GUv GKUv fyj aviYv h, cwieZbi Kvbv c_ bB|
cw_exZ Kvbv wKQy, Kvbv cwiwwZB vqx bq| `ytLI vqx bq,
mgmvI vqx bq| mgmv vqx nq KLb? hLb mgmvK msKU gb
Kib| Kbdzwmqvm Lye PgrKvifve ejQb, hvK Avcwb mgmv gb
KiQb, mUvK hw` wek-lY Kib Ze Zvi ga _KB mgvavbi
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exR ewiq Avme|

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eveZv Zwi Ki| cw_exZ cwZwU mdj gvbyl eveZv Zwi KiQb|
KvRB cwieZbi Kvbv c_ bB, GUv nQ m~Y fyj aviYv| Avcwb
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gì w`K hve mUv wbfi Kie Avcbvi Ici| Avcwb BQ Kij
fvjvi w`K cwieZb KiZ cvib, Avi BQ bv Kij Lvivci w`K
cwieZb nZ cvi|
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KviY nZ cvwi wb| G G welqwUK gb wbj cwZevì exR
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mshvMvqb A_vr hvMvhvM KivUvI GKUv LyeB iZc~Y hvMZv|
GLvb cwZev` KiI wKQy ne bv| Avevi gb bqviI wKQy bB|
hLvb hvMZvi h gvcKvwV mLvb AMmi nZ nj AvcbvK Zvi
mewKQyB cvjb KiZ ne|
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eqm nq MQ GLb Avgvi viv ne bv| GUv wK mwVK?
Di : GUv gvUB wVK bq| Avgiv hw` BwZnvmi cLvZ gvbylì
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AbK mv`vgvUv| Rxebi AbK ci Gm ev AbK kl chvq Gm
LvwZ, cwZcw, gZv ev h KvRi Rb Zviv AgiZ jvf KiQb m
KvRi myhvM cqwQjb|
hgb, mvov RvMvbv Dcbvm iUmi jLK Gj nvwj| 40 eQi
gvwKb Kv MvW Lye mvaviY PvKwi kl Aemi MnYi ci wZwb
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mewKQy kl Ki 1976 mvj iUm \ `v mvMv Ad Gb AvgwiKvb
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Avevi BwZnvmi GKRb gZvai gvbyli K_v aib| 21 eQi hLb
Zvi eqm ZLb wZwb eemvq jm Kijb| 22 eQi eqm AvBbmfvi
wbevPb civwRZ njb| 24 eQi eqm AveviI eemvq jvKmvb
njv| 26 eQi eqm nvivb wcqZgv xK Ges 27 eQi eqm bvfvm
eK WvDbi wkKvi nb, 34 eQi eqm AveviI KsMm wbevPb
civwRZ nb, 45 eQi eqm wmbU wbevPb civwRZ nb Ges Gi
gvSLvb 37 eQi eqm fvBm cwmWU wbevPb civwRZ nb Ges 49
eQi eqm AveviI wmbU wbevPb civwRZ nb|
Aekl 52 eQi eqm wZwb gvwKb hyivi cwmWU wbevwPZ
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gymwjg GLb nvbvdx gvRnvei Abymvix| ZuvK ejv nq Bgvg AvRg
A_vr kZg Bgvg| A_P kke wZwb Kvbv covkvbvB Kib wb|
evevi Kvcoi eemv `Lvkvbv KiZb| GKw`b wZwb hLb Avj-vgv
kvexi evwoi mvgb w`q hvwQjb, kvex ZvK wRm Kijb, Zzwg
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kvexi G evKwUB Avey nvwbdvi Rxeb cv w`jv| wZwb vbmvabvq
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Agi nZ cvib Zvnj Avcwb Kb cvieb bv| AZGe Rxeb hLvb

AvQb mLvb _K i Kib| hv AvQ Zv wbqB i Kib| Avcwb
AekB hLvb cuQZ Pvb mLvb hZ cvieb|
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Kib| G eewU GLbI eyS DVZ cvwi bv| bZ nvmKi wK GUv
mZ| cwievi _K wkKvj _KB m~Y gvbyl nIqv mI Avwg cy;
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_K ei nZ GLvb GmwQ| Avwg Rvwb, eo nZ Mj Aej^b-Gi
wbfiZv QvoZ ne| wK Abyfe KiZ cvwi bvgb Aej^bKB
AuvKo aiZ Pvq| gywi KvhKi Dcvq Kx?
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AvQ Zv w`qB i KiZ cvieb| Zv wbqB KvR KiZ cvieb|
QvU GKUv NUbv ewj|
1978 mvj wewUwfZ Avgvi GKUv mvvrKvi cPvwiZ nIqvi K_v|
AvgvK AvgY Rvbvbv njv| AvwgI cwZ wbwQ| Abyvbi w`b Ni
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Mjvg| cowe Zv co Ggbfve h, Avgvi cibi cvkvKwU gqjv I
cvwbZ wfR GKvKvi nq Mj| GwU ci Avi eivbv me bq|
evmvq wdi Gjvg| wK Avgvi Avmj evBi civi gZv GKwUB
cvkvK wQjv| fvewQjvgGLb Kx Kiv hvq?
nVvr gb njvAvgvi Ni civi Rb MvgQv w`q evbvbv h
dZzqvUv AvQ mUvI Zv civ hvq| mv_ mv_B Ni civi cvRvgv I
dZzqv ciB iIbv njvg| gRvi evcvi njvivgcyiv wUwf kb hLb
Mjvg ZLb XvKvi Rb cvm jvM hv Avwg RvbZvg bv| wK Avgvi
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Avgvi cib HiKg cvkvK `L AvgvK bvUKi GKRb wkx gb
KiwQjv| Avi Gw`K cvMvg Zv iKwWs nq Mj|
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ZLb wQjv mv`vKvjv Uwjwfkbi hyM| Avi Avgvi cib wQjv

njy` Kvjv PKi mB MvgQv hv mv`vKvjv Kvgivq LyeB evBU
`wLqwQjv| G Abyvb `Lvi ci AbKB RvbZ PvBwQjvGZ
kvj Wm Avwg Kv_v _K RvMvo Kijvg| A_vr hv wQjv GK
aibi mxgveZv, Zv-B nq Mj kw| Avmj hv AvQ Zv wbq i
KijB cfy ZvZ eiKZ `b|
wekvm
ck : Avcwb ejb, Avgiv wbRivB cvwi wbRi mewKQyK e`j w`Z|
mwZB wK ZvB? Kxfve?
Di : AvmjB Avcwb wbRB cvib Avcbvi mewKQy e`j w`Z| Avi
Rxeb e`jvbvi Rb, cqvRb ay gy wekvm|
Avwg cvwi, Avwg cvievQv GKwU evK| wK GB QvU evKwUi
ga w`q wekvmi h ^ZtZ cKvk NU mUvB cfvweZ Ki Avcbvi
mKj KgKv| aib, Avcbvi evwoi mvgbi ivvq 100 dzU j^v Ges
GK dzU PIov Qq Bw cyi GKwU Zv wewQq ejv njv, Gi Ici w`q
nuU hvb, Avcwb wZxq Kvbv wPv QvovB nuU hveb| KD ev nqZv
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cvieb| Avcbvi cv djvi Rb GK dzU PIov RvqMvB h_|
wK G ZvUvB hw` ivvi Gcvii eZj febi Qv` _K
Icvii eZj febi Qv` jvwMq `qv nq, Avcwb GB 100 dzU `~iZ
AwZg KiZ cvieb bv| GK cv `ycv GMvbvi ciB nvZ-cv KuvcZ
i Kie, gv_v NvivZ i Kie| KuvcZ KuvcZ GKmgq nqZv
coB hveb, GKvKvi nq hve Avcbvi nvo-gvsm|
A_P PvLi mvgbB Avcwb `LQb GKRb ivRwgw euvk eq
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KvVwgw cvZjv KvVi KvVvgvi Ici ùvwoq wUbi Pvj ev Qbi
QvDwb jvMvQ| ivRwgw ev KvVwgw 8/10 Zjv febi c-vvi KiZ
wMq ev wUbi Pvj jvMvZ wMq co MQ, Ggb K_v Avcwb KLbv
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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bQb? kvbb wb| Kb?

KviY m wekvm Ki 70/80/100 dzU Icii KvVi Zvq ùvwoq
m `qvj c-vvi KiZ cvie, Qv` DVI Abvqvm wUb jvMvZ
cvie| wekvmB Zvi ga mw KiQ GB ^ZtZ Kg`Zv|
^vfvweKfveB Avcwb ck KiZ cvib, wekvm Kxfve Kg`Zv
mw Ki? Gi evwbK Di Lye mnR| wekvmi c_g cfve co
gb| gb cvMvg cvVvq gw| Avi gw Avcbvi cvivi BQvUv
eveZvq icvwiZ Ki|
Avevi Avcwb ck KiZ cvibgb Kx? bvej cyiviweRqx
wbDiv mvqwU iRvi wi 'Mind, Brain and Humanist Values'
wbe 50 KvwU eQii weeZbi mevP ARb ej AwfwnZ KiQb
gbK| bvej cyiviweRqx wevbx mvi Rb GKj&m 'Evolution of
the Brain : Creation of the Self' M gbK eYbv KiQb
AvZmPZb, mwq, Abymwrmy ^Z cwqvic|
Avi weLvZ KvbvWxq wbDivmvRb W. IqvBvi cbwd Zvi 'The
Mystery of the Mind' M Aviv Ki ejQb gw nQ
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wbtmskq ejZ cvwigb GK wekvj ^Z cwqv hv cwiPvwjZ Ki
gwK| Avi gw cwiPvwjZ Ki mKj kvixiexq KvhgK|
gwK wbDivmvqwUiv mePq AvaywbK KwDUvii PqI
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MelYv KiQb ZZB wevbxiv eySZ cviQb wekvj mgyì cvo
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wbDivmvqwUiv mekl MelYvq `LQb, Avcwb hLb Avcbvi
gw bZzb wekvm, bZzb aviYv, bZzb ^c c`vb Kib, ZLb gwi
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aviYv, GKB Kbvi cybivew GB mshvMc_K ivL e I mwq|
gwi wekl wekl Ask Dx nq IV| e`j hvq gwi
KgKvVvgv| Avcbvi mKj gbv`wnK cwqv ^qswqfve KvR KiZ
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mb KiZ cvib| gy wekvmB Avcbvi mKj KgKv Gfve m~wPZ
Ki GB gwjK cwieZb|
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ck : gy wekvm hw` mewKQy GZ mnR e`j `q, Zvnj `y`kvMiv,

AfveMiv, ivM-kvK fvivviv Kb GB mnR c_K MnY Ki bv?
Di : KviY Lye mnR| Zviv wekvm Ki bwZevPKZvq| wekvm Ki
`yfvM| wekvm Ki AjxK| wekvm Ki cZviKì| wekvm Ki
g~Lì| wekvm Ki kqZvbK| Avi Zvì GB wekvm ^ZtZ|
fvjv KvbvwKQyK Zviv mnR wekvm KiZ cvi bv| cvi bv
BwZevPK fvjv wRwbmK MnY KiZ| KjvYKi fvjv wRwbm `LjB
Zvì gb m`n RvM| GZ fvjv nq Kxfve! GZ mnR!
agi evcvi Gì ck AvQ| Aagi evcvi Kvbv ck bB|
mZi evcvi Gì ck AvQ| wK cPwjZ g~LZv ev Awe`vi
evcvi Gì Kvbv ck bB| Ckii evcvi Gì gb ck AvQ|
kqZvbi evcvi Kvbv ck bB|
GKRb bvwKK wRm Kib| `Leb m Cki mK GK
nvRviUv ck KiQ| ZvK wRm KibkqZvb mK Avcbvi
Kvbv ck AvQ? `Leb Zvi gyL Kvbv K_v bB|
`y`kvMiv Kb `y`kvgy nZ cvi bv? KviY, Giv bwZevPK
K_vq wekvm Ki ewk| bwZevPK K_vq cfvweZ nq hvq mnR|
KqK eQi AvMi NUbv| Kvmi klw`b mevB Pj hvIqvi ciI
GK f`jvK Acv KiQb| myhvM eyS KvQ Gm `ynvZ Rwoq
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PvLgyL GKaibi KZZv| GKUz wi nq ejjb, Avgvi GZ
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ne| dvDkb Awdmi mvgbi ivv w`qB Avmv-hvIqv Kib
cwZw`b| wRm Kijvg, GZ eQi ci Kb Kvm Gjb? Aviv AvM
Gj Zv AbK AvMB Avcwb fvjv _vKZ cviZb|
GKUz BZZ Kivi ci ejjb, `Lyb bvbviKg K_v bwQ Pvicvk
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GKevi nq wb Zv-I bv| GKevi fewQjvg wbR GKUz LuvR-Lei
bev, wK ci bvwcZi K_v b Avi mvnm nq wb|
wewZ nq ZvKvjvg Zvi w`K| wRm Kijvg, gwWUkbi mv_
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bvwcZi mK Kx? wZwb ejjb, `Lyb gnj-vi bvwcZ| e eQi ai

Pzj KvUvB Zvi KvQ| GKw`b Pzj KvUvZ wMq K_vq K_vq ejjvg,
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Cgvb Avgj me b nBqv hvq| GKevi e`vwZ KvR| bvwcZi K_v
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GKUz nvmjvg| wRm Kijvg, GLb Kx gb nQ, Cgvb AvQ bv
bvB? f`jvK ejjb, Avi jv w`qb bv| Kvm Gm wkLjvg,
kvKiMvRvi Kxfve nZ nq| MZ `yBw`b bvgvR h Zw cqwQ Zv
mvivRxebI cvB wb|
^vfvweKfveB Avgvi cieZx ck njv, Zvnj kl ch Kvm
Gjb Kxfve? wZwb ejjb, Avgvi GK evjez wKQyw`b AvM Kvm
KiQ| Avgvi mgmv `L m AvgvK GKiKg Rvi KiB Kvm
cvwVqQ| ezi K_v ejZ ejZ Zvi PvL Avevi QjQj Ki DVjv
KZZvq| ejjb, m-B AvgvK euvwPqQ| gb nQ enkZi
kvw| GZ kvw AvM KLbv cvB wb|
GUv Kvbv wewQb NUbv bq| Pvicvk G aibi NUbv AbK|
Avmj `y`kvi e ewìv v wekvm, bwZevPK K_v, m`n-mskq
vivB cfvweZ nq ewk| Giv agvì K_vq, PvjevRì K_vq,
kvlKì K_vq, g~Lì K_vq, cZviKì K_vq, `vivqvbi K_vq,
gyw` `vKvwbi K_vq, bvwcZi K_vq Aviv mskqx nq IV| wbR
Abymvb Ki LuvR-Lei wbq wmv bqvi D`g nvwiq dj|
AvjvwKZ AvcbRbì viv Dy bv nIqv ch Giv GB kqZvb ev
AKjvYi e _K eivZ cvi bv| wekvj mvebv wbq cw_exZ
Avmvi ciI Gì mKj ^c Aaiv _K hvq|
ck : evOvwj gw h Lye fvjv gw GUv ejv nqQ memgq| GKUv
mgq Zv cev` wQjv h, nvqvU ej w_sKm UzW i Ad Bwqv
w_sKm Uzgivevsjv AvRK hv wPv Ki fviZ Zv wPv Ki AvMvgx
Kvj| Zv GB fvjv gw _vKvi ciI Avgiv KD eenvi KiZ
cviwQ, KD cviwQ bv Kb? KviYUv Kx?
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Di : GB KviYUvK hw` Avcwb ei KiZ cvib, Zvnj Avcwb

Avcbvi e_Zvi KviYK, Avcbvi AmQjZvi KviYK, Avcbvi FYM
nIqvi KviYK ei KiZ cvieb|
hviv gwi Adzi gZvK eenvi KiZ cviQ bv, Zviv cviQ
bv Zvì bwZevPK `wfwi KviY| Giv wbRi e_Zvi Rb AbK
`vlvivc Kih, AgyKi KviY Avwg e_| AgyK AvgvK GKUv
PvKwi w`Z cviZv, PvKwi `q wb, AgyK AvgvK mnhvwMZv Ki wb|
A_P wbR h Ajm mgq KvUvQ mUv hb Kvbv `vl bq| m
memgq z _vKGUv cjvg bv, IUv cjvg bv, GUv njv bv, IUv
njv bv| wK nIqvi Rb hv ìKvi Zv-I Kivi D`vM bq bv| v
`wfwi KviY m nZvkv I nxbbZvq fyMZ i Ki Ges Zvì
Rxeb Kvbv Kwiqv bB|
ck : Avcwb memgq ejb, wbRK mvdji wkLi `LZ PvBj
wekvmi mv_ KvR KiZ ne| wekvm wK mwKZvi Ici ivLev, bv
wK Pv Kij AekB mdj nev Zvi Ici ivLev?
Di : Avcwb hLb mvi Ici wekvm ivLQb mv_ mv_ KgUv Avcbvi
`vwqZ nq hvQ| KviY m wekvm wekvm bq, h wekvm Kg Drcv`b
Ki bv| Avcwb cixvq c_g nIqvi wekvm Kijb| mvi Ici wekvm
ivLjb h, Avj-vn PvBj nqI hZ cvi wK Kvbv covkvbv
Kijb bv| Avj-vni AZ VKv co bvB| Avj-vn ZvKB `b h co,
h KvR Ki| A_vr KvRUv Lye iZc~Y| KvR KiZ ne Ges wekvm
ivLZ ne mvi Ici|
ck : gb hLvb AvZvi mv_ wgwjZ nqQ mLvb Kxfve AUj
wekvmK hZ èv? AUj wekvm Kxfve memgq jvjb Kiev? `qv
Ki G evcvi Aviv GKUz ejyb|
Di : Avmj, GB AUj wekvmUvB nQ mg mvdji PvweKvwV| AUj
wekvm hLb Avme ZLbB Avcwb kvKi Ges mei AvmZ cvieb|
AUj wekvmB g~j| cw_exZ Avcwb wbRi BQvq Avmb wb| AvmvUv
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Avcbvi BQvaxb bq| wbRi BQvq hvebI bv| GUvI Avcbvi BQvaxb
bq| KviY hw` BQv `qv hZ cw_ex _K Avcwb wbRi BQvq hZ
Pvb wK bv, KD hZ PvBZv bv cw_ex Qo, `yGKRb ev`| cw_exZ
ZLb GZ jvK nq hZ h, cv djvi Kvbv RvqMv _vKZv bv|
hnZz Avcwb wbRi BQvq Avmb wb, wbRi BQvq hvebI bv,
AZGe wekvm KiZ ne KD AvgvK cvwVqQb| wbRi KjvY Ges
gvbyli KjvYi Rb| memgq wekvm Kib eo wKQy Kivi Rb Avwg
cw_exZ GmwQ| AUvmvRkb w`b| nuvUZ PjZ memgq gb gb
AvIovb eo wKQy Kivi Rb Avgvi Rb nqQ, eo wKQy Kivi Rb
Avwg cw_exZ GmwQ| hLb GB AUvmvRkb memgq w`Z _vKeb,
Avcwb `Leb Avcbvi wekvm Lye Mfxi Mu_ MQ|
Avi wekvm GKevi Mfxi Mu_ Mj Avcwb KvR KiZ cvieb|
Avcbvi KvRi c_ Kvbv Aivq mw ne bv| eis cwZwU evav
Avcbvi KvRK evwoq è| GRb memgq gwWUkb gbQwe
`Leb, AUvmvRkb èb h, eo wKQy Kivi RbB Avgvi Rb Ges
cZKUv gvbyl GB ^c evevqbi gZv ivL, kw ivL|
ck : KvwZ j ARb h me Zv evSvbvi ciI gb wekvm KiZ
PvBQ bv| Kx Kiev?
Di : Avmj wekvmUvK `p KiZ ne| KviY, wekvmi DvUvB
nQ mskq| Ges kqZvbi mePq eo A nQ mskq| kqZvbi
Kkj nQ hw` KvDK Awekvmx evbvZ bv cviv Zvnj Zvi gb ck
XywKq `vI, hvZ m cyivcywi wekvm bv KiZ cvi| KviY wekvm
KijB Avcwb mvdji c_ _vKeb| wekvm KijB Avcwb kvKi
Rvwii c_ _vKeb| wekvm Kij Avcwb wbRi KjvYi cvkvcvwk
Abi KjvY Kieb|
kqZvb Pvq bv h, Avcwb mUv Kib| AZGe m Avcbvi gbi
ga mskq XywKq è| ck XywKq è| Zvnj Avcbvi KvR ne
GB wekvmK cej Kiv| Kxfve Kieb? wbqwgZ `yejv gwWUkb
Kieb Ges memgq AUvmvRkb èb h, Avwg wekvmx, Avwg
wekvmx, Avwg wekvmx| Avgvi wekvm Avgvi wbRi Ici, Avgvi wekvm
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Avgvi dvDkbi Ici, Avgvi wekvm Avgvi cfyi Ici|

Avgvi mxgveZv _vKZ cvi, wK Avgvi cfyi Kvbv mxgveZv
bvB, Avgvi AgZv _vKZ cvi, wK Avgvi cfyi gZvi Kvbv
Afve bvB| Ges wZwb hKvbv wKQy w`Z cvib| wZwb AvgvK dwKi
_K Avwgi evbvZ cvib, gZvnxb _K gZvevb KiZ cvib,
Avevi gZv wZwb PvBj KoI wbZ cvib|
wZwb mvb w`Z cvib, PvBj AmvwbZI KiZ cvib| A_vr
GjvK mvwRq beb| Avgvì cv_bv KwYKvq wKQy myì myì
cv_bv AvQ AvZwekvm ewi Rb| mB cv_bv Kieb Ges AvMvgx
Qq gvm `yejv gwWUkb Ges hLbB gb coe, hLbB gb duvKv
_vKe GB AUvmvRkb w`Z _vKeb ev AUvmvRkbi AwWI bZ
_vKeb| Avcbvi wekvm evoZ _vKe|
ck : hvMZv I `Zv Zwii Rb myhvM AvmZ nq| wekvm _vKvi
ciI myhvM bv Gj Kxfve Zv `Lvbv hvq| myhvM Avm bv Kb?
wekvmi Rb Avi KZ Acv? fvjv muvZvi wkLwQ wK bv `Lvbvi
Rb cvwbi ìKvi| cvwb bv _vKj Kxfve `Lvev?
Di : cvwbi Afve evsjv`k bB| Avcwb KYdyjxZ bg mvZi
cwZKj 24 Nv wi ùvwoq _vKvi cwZ wbq b`xZ bvgj
AvcbvK `LZ Avmv jvKi Afve ne bv| bvPZ bv Rvbj DVvb
memgqB euvKv| hvMZv, `Zv Zwii myhvM KD KvDK Ki `q
bv| AvR ch `q wb| hviv c`kb KiQ Zviv wbR D`vMx nq
c`kb KiQ| cvjvqvb wbR myhvM Zwi Ki wbqQ|
KjKvZvi gvmy`yi ingvbi K_v Avgiv Kvm ewj`yB cv KvUv wbq
muvZvi wZwb bZzb iKW vcb KiQb| wZwb wK cy cwZhvMx bq
eis my muvZvi cwZhvMxì mv_ cwZhvwMZvq c_g nqQb| ^Qvq
wZwb my mejì mv_ cwZhvwMZvq bgQb| myhvM KvDK `q bv,
myhvM mw Ki wbZ nq wbRKB|
Avmj Avcbvi mvebv hgb Avcwb mw Kib Zgwb Avcbvi
mxgveZvI AvcwbB Zwi Kib| ZvB Avcwb wekvm Kib| hvMZv
mw Kib| myhvM Abymvb KiZ _vKzb| myhvM AvmeB|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ck : wekvm Kwi| wK wekvmK ai ivLZ cviwQ bv| gb mskqx nq

IV| euvPvi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Avmj wekvm ai ivLvUvI GKUz KwVb evcvi| KviY kqZvb
Zv memgq jMB AvQ| kqZvbi Kkj nQ if you can't
convince, then confuse A_vr hw` KvDK convince KiZ bv
cviv Ze Zvi ga confusion A_vr mskq XywKq `vI, ck Zzj
`vI| Kx Rvwb! nj nZ cvi, bv nj Zv bv-I nZ cvi ev GUv
mevi Rb wVK AvQ wK Avgvi Rb eva nq wVK bv BZvw`|
KvRB hLbB AnZzK ck Avme, eySeb kqZvb wev Kivi Pv
KiQ, mskq XvKvQ| Avi mskq Ges Awekvmi ga g~jZt Kvbv
cv_K bB| eis mskq Awekvmi PqI Lvivc| hgb gvbvdwK
Kzdixi PqI ewk Lvivc, wZKi| Avi Awekvm ev mskq Rb `q
bwZevPKZv hv Avcbvi mvgb Gbvi c_ e Ki `q| BwZevPK,
wekvmx nIqvi Rb AvcbvK wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ ne|
gbQwe \ Rxebi j
ck : Rxebi j ejZ Kx evSvq?
Di : Rxebi g~j j njv cw_exZ gvbyl wnme Avgvi AvMgbK
A_en Kiv| Avi Zvi Dcvq njv wbRK wRm Kiv h, Kb GmwQ
Avwg, Kx KiZ PvB| GKUvB Zv Rxeb| RxebUvK Kxfve DcfvM
KiZ PvB, mgqUvK Kxfve eq KiZ PvB, Pvicvki gvbyli KvQ
_K Avwg Kx PvB? ZvìK Kx w`Z PvB? G ckjvi DiB nQ
Rxebi j| Gi Aviv mnR Dcvq nQwgwWqvq wbRi gZz msev`
Kxfve `LZ PvB, bZ PvB mUvK AejvKb Kiv| KviY GKRb
KxwZgvb gvbyli gZy msev`B _vK Zvi Rxebi me Ae`vbi K_v|
ck : Avgvi GK evb j-Bqvi| jLvcov kl Kivi ci m KvU
cvKwUm Ki wb, PvKwii PvI Ki wb| evmvq em ay KwDUvi Mg
Lj| AbK evSvbvi ciI KvR nq wb| ZvK Kxfve evSvev?
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Di : Avmj Avcbvi evbi Rxebi Kvbv j bB, mwVK `wfw

bB| ZvB RxebUvK wZwb DknxbZvq fvwmq w`qQb| IKvjwZ
cvk KiI KwDUvi Mg Ljvi gZv A_nxb KvR w`bi ci w`b
AwZevwnZ KiZ cviQb| hZw`b bv Zvi wbRi mPZbZv Zwi nq,
Rxebi j Zvi mvgb nq, ZZw`b ch Zvi cwieZb me
bq| gwWUkb Kgv mUvi ZvK evSvZ cvib hvZ Zvi
evav`q nq| hvi Rxeb j _vK bv, m KLbv cwieZb AvbZ
cvi bv| hLb j _vK ZLb cwieZb Avbv hvq|
ck : wbRK fvjevmZ cvij AMZ kwK RvMZ Kiv hvq| mKj
cwieZbi GB nQ i| Avgvi ck wbRK fvjevmev Kxfve? Kx
Kij wbRK fvjevmv hvq|
Di : wbRi YjvK wPv Kieb Ges wbRi GB Yjvi Rb
memgq kvKiMvRvi neb h, cfy, Zzwg AvgvK GB Y w`qQv,
Zvgvi KZ `qv| GLb AvgvK ej `vI h, Avwg Kxfve GB
YjvK KvR jvMvZ cvwi| GB YjvK Avcwb Kxfve KvR
jvMvZ cvib gwWUkb wMq wPv Kieb| Ges Avcwb AekB
wbRK fvjevmZ i Kieb Ges Avcbvi ga cwieZb m~wPZ ne|
Avmj GKRb gvbyl nZvkvq fvM KLb? hLb m wbRK AfvMv
gb Ki| hLb m gb Ki h, Zvi Kvbv Y bB ev Zvi Yi
KD Kvbv Kì KiQ bv| Zvici m nxbbZvq fvMv i Ki|
nxbbZv _K nZvkv Avm| wK hLbB Avcwb Avcbvi Yi Rb
kvKiMvRvi neb ZLbB `Leb h, cfyi ingZ Avcbvi Ici
Avme Ges Avcwb YK ewk ewk eenvi KiZ cviQb|
ck : Avgvi gw AZ mRbkxj| wK D`gnxbZv ev PzcPvc _vKv
ev Abi m Gwoq PjvK A^vfvweKZv gb nq| mgvavb AvQ Kx?
Di : gw mRbkxj njB h D`g _vKe Ggb Kvbv K_v bB|
D`g memgq wbfi Ki Kb KvR KievG welqwU Avcbvi KvQ
cwivi wK bv Zvi Ici| G welqwU hZY ch Avcbvi KvQ cwivi
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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bv nQ ZZY ch D`g cveb bv| Kb Avwg Abi mv_ wgkev,

Kb Avwg Abi mv_ K_v ejev KviYUvK AvM RvbZ ne| A_vr
Rxebi GKwU j jvMe| Rxebi j bv _vKj hZ mRbkxj gvbyl
nvK, hZ wewjqvU gvbyl nvK m GK RvqMvq nuvPU Lq co hve|
mgvavb AekB AvQ, mgvavb nQ gbQwe|
ck : mvaviY gvbyl Kb `y`kvi e fO ewiq AvmZ cvi bv?
Di : m e fvOZ fq cvq| m Zvi cPwjZ Mwi evBi AvmZ Pvq
bv| GgbwK Zvi mvb G e fO ewiq AvmyK Zv-I Pvq bv| Avgvi
bimyì whwb wQjb, Pwj-k-cuqZvwj-k eQi ai Zvi KvQB Avwg Pzj
KvUvZvg| KqK eQi AvM GKw`b Pyj KvUvZ wMq `Ljvg Zvi
QjK| QjI bimyì| mw`b bjvg Zvi evev gviv MQ| Qj
GLb `vKvb| Pzj KvUZ KvUZ QjwU ejwQjv Zvi bvwcZ nq
IVvi K_v| evev ZvK KvR wkwLqQ| `vKvbUvI w`q MQ| GLb G
`vKvb w`qB m Rxeb PvjvQ| Ab Avi wKQyi K_v fveZ cvi bv|
GB h ^YKviivhviv mvbvi Mqbv evbvq Zvì Rxeb wK
mvbvi PvKwPK KLbv aiv `q bv| eskvbywgKfveB Zviv ^YKvi|
`vKvb mvbvi Mqbv evbvQ| A_P Gì cvwikwgK mePq Kg|
fviZi nxiv kwgKì gRywi h KZ Kg Zv Avgiv KbvI KiZ
cviev bv| GKmgq ai bqv nZvgv h evwoZ MnKgxi KvR KiQ,
gqI m evwoZ MnKgx ne| KviY AwbqZvi fq| gq fveZv
evBi Kv_vq hvev, cwiYwZ Kx ne BZvw`| Zvi Pq G evwoB
fvjv| gvi LjI AZ `yejv Zv LZ cviwQ, AZvPvi KijI
GKRbB KiQ, evBi wMq bv Rvwb Kvb Svgjvq coev!
A_vr Avgvì g~j kLj GUvB h, Avgiv bZzb wKQyK fq cvB|
kLjjv KLbv agi bvg, KLbv ivi bvg, KLbv mgvRi bvg,
KLbv wcZcyili bvg Pj AvmQ|
ck : AwaKvsk gvbyli Rxeb e_Zv Kb?
Di : KviY m Zvi jK nvwiq dj, m hvv i Ki GKw`K,
wK wMq cuQvq AviK w`K| A_vr j nq Ges Zvi `w ji
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w`K _vK bv, `w Pj hvq Pvicvk|

Mvwjei GKwU MRji Ask nQiIbv KiwQjvg gmwR`, wK
hLb Gm cuQjvg, `Ljvg h, GUv GKUv cvbkvjv! `vlUv wK
Kcvji, bv `vlUv Mvwjei! A_vr wMqwQjb gmwRì w`K, hZ
hZ gmwR` ev` w`q cvbkvjvq Pj Mjb!
GLb Avcwb hw` gmwR`B hveb, Zvnj Zv Avcbvi jUv
gmwR`B _vKe| Avi hw` cvbkvjvq hvb, Zv mUvB j ne|
Avevi iIbv KiwQjvg cvbkvjvq, Pj Gjvg gmwR`GiKg NUbv
wK NU bv| A_vr Lvivc KvR KiZ wMq fvjv KvR Ki djwQjb
GiKg NUbv NU bv| fvjv KvR KiZ wMq Lvivc KvR Ki djvi
NUbvUvB mePq ewk NU| g~j K_v njv j wePzZ nj e_Zv
AvmvUvB ^vfvweK|
ck : Avgvì KvR Avq DcvRb eiKZ bB Kb?
Di : Avb` wbq KvR Kwi bv ej| D`vniYîc GKRb wkKK
`Lyb| whwb nqZv w`b cuvPUv Ki evP covQb| wZwb wK Avbì
mv_ covb? `yqKwU ewZg ev` AwaKvsk B bv| GKivk
weiw, gRvR wZwiw| Dd! Avevi GKUv evP covZ ne! Kx
Svgjv! BZvw`|
GKeviI wPv Ki `Lb bvGB Qvjv coZ AvmQ ejB
Zvi DcvRbi myhvM nqQ| ^Q` Rxeb hvcb KiZ cviQb| GB
fe Zvi Zv Kwiqvi mv_, Avbì mv_ covbv DwPZ wQjv| wK
Zv wK nq? Avcbvì wbqB AbKi AwfZv AvQ, AZ mvbK
covZ wbq hvIqvi myev`| Zviv AwaKvskB Avb` wbq covb bv|
Avi GRbB Zvì Rxeb eiKZ bB| KviY weiwmn h KvR Kiv
nq m KvR KLbv eiKZ _vK bv|
GKUv D`vniY w`q welqwU cwivi Kiv hZ cvi| aib Avcwb
gvm 50 nvRvi UvKv DcvRb Kib| Gi ga GKw`b Avcbvi nVvr
cU e_v njv| wKQyZB KgQ bv| kl Mjb wekl Wvvii
KvQ| Wvvii wfwRU w`jb 1000 UvKv| wK ZvZI evSv Mj bv
e_vi KviY| evSvi Rb Wvvi GKMv`v U w`jb|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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GB U, mB U, AvjUvmbv, mycvimbvmjv KiZ wMq

Pj Mj nqZv Aviv nvRvi cbi| Gw`K msmvii wbqwgZ eq Zv
AvQB| Avi hnZz 50 nvRvi UvKv Avcbvi DcvRb, Avcbvi Rxeb
hvcb gvbI miKg| dj eq msKvPbi myhvM bB| me wgj gvm
kl wbqwgZ-AwbqwgZ gvU eqi cwigvY ùvovjv 70 nvRvi UvKv|
A_vr 20 nvRvi UvKv NvUwZ, hv nqZv FY Ki hvMvo KiwQjb|
Avevi Avcwb 15 nvRvi UvKv DcvRb KiQb| wP Avb` AvQ,
Kvbv ivM bB, mgmv bB| wmwU vbi ìKvi bB, cqvRb bB
GgAviAvBqi| Avcbvi LiP njv 12 nvRvi UvKv gvm| D njv
wZb nvRvi UvKv| Zv `yUvi ga KvbUvZ myL? D _vKvi bv FYM
nIqvi? D _vKvi| GB `wfwUvK eySZ ne| Avmj Avgvì
GB `wfw, G Rxeb`wKB ejv nqQ wbqZ|
Avmj Rxebi j hw` nq ay DcvRb Zvnj AbK UvKv nqZv
Avcwb KiZ cvieb| wK kvw bv-I cZ cvib|
GK Wvvi `wZi K_v ewj| ivZ-w`b ay nvmcvZvj, wKwbK Avi
P^vi| GB KiZ wMq Zvì GKgv QjwUK `qvi gZv Avi
Kvbv mgq wQjv bv Zvì| dj eL Mj QjwU| WvM GwWW
nq Mj| GKmgq Rvi Ki fwZ Kiv njv gv`Kvmw wbivgq
K`| wK ZvK wPwKrmv `qv hvQ bv wKQyZB| klgk m ivwR
njv GB kZ h, cwZ BbRKkb bqvi wewbgq ZvK 10 nvRvi Ki
UvKv w`Z ne|
mvivRxeb gwkbi gZv UvKv KvwgqQb h gv-evev GQvov Zvì
`qvi Avi wKQy wQjvI bv| Gw`K UvKv cq Qji Zv cvqveviv|
UvKv w`q m wKwbKi KgPvixì KqKRbK nvZ Ki djjv|
Zvì gvag WvM Avwbq w`we nvmcvZvji gaB WvM wbZ jvMjv|
GB Wvvi gv-evev hw` ay UvKv DcvRbi K_v wPv bv Ki
ivMxìK fvjevmZb, AvwiKfve Zvì ckvMZ `vwqZ cvjb
KiZb Zvnj AZ ivMxì `vqvi wewbgq njI Zvì GKgv
mvbi Rxeb Gfve b nZv bv|
Avmj GivI Wvvi| Avevi Wvvi weavb ivqI Wvvi wQjb|
mevcivqYZv Avi ckvi cwZ fvjevmvi Rb whwb AvRv iYxq nq
AvQb gvbyli gb|
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e_Zvi ci `wfw \
nj fvjv, bv nj Aviv fvjv
ck : meiKg cwZ bqvi ci djvdj Lvivc nj Kx `wfw MnY
Kiev? Avj-vn fvjvi Rb KiQbG `wfw AbK mgq wbRK
Avk KiZ cvi bv| wekl Ki hLb `wL mivmwi `kgvb ev ek
KRb GKmv_ mgvb cwZ bqvi ci djvdj wewfb nq|
Di : ek KRb hw` GKmv_ cwZ bq Zvnj djvdj GK Kxfve
ne? aib GKUv ò cwZhvwMZvq 16 Rb òvQ| cwZ Zv
mevi GKwU jBdv nIqv| wK 16 Rb Zv Avi dv nZ
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Kwi, Avevi k~b _K AvgvK i KiZ nq| mvivRxeb G evcviwUi
cybivew nQ, Kx Ki G ejq _K gyw cvev? hZB myLi gbQwe
`wL cwiwwZ AvgvK Pig `y`kvq dj `q| Avwg Kzivwki
RvwZKv| bxjv I cvbv eenvi KiwQ| AbyMn Ki hw` civgk `b|
Di : GB bxjv I cvbv ci h cqmv LiP KiQb Zv A_nxb| hw`
cvib GUv wew Ki w`b| bBj dj w`b| cv_i hw` `y`kvi e
fvOZ cviZv Zvnj GjRviiv nZb cw_exi mePq abx ew|
Avwg hLb GjwR ckvq wQjvg ZLb GK KvqU Gm ejjb,
AvgvK Ggb GKUv cv_i w`b, hvZ Qq gvmi ga Avwg KvwUcwZ
nq hvB| b Avwg nm ejjvg, IiKg cv_ii LuvR hw` Avwg
cZvg Zvnj Zv H cv_i AvM wbR ciZvg| Avmj cv_i Kviv
fvM e`jvq bv| cv_i eenvi Kiv nq kvixwiK KviY| ivM-evwa
wbivgq Kvbv Kvbv cv_i DcKvix|
fvMmsv Avgvì GB h wevw, GUv Avgvi fvM! Avgvi
Kcvj! Gjv Avmj KzmsvinvRvi eQi ai Avgvì mvgvwRK
ebv I eYev`x wPviB dmj| hgb, AvM wbeYi jvKì `vm
evwbq ivLv nZv| ejv nZv, Zzwg AvMi Rb cvc KiwQj, ZvB
wbeY RbMnY KiQv| GLb hw` DPeYi jvKì wVKfve mev
bv Ki Zv cii Rb cvqLvbvi KxU nq RbMnY Kie|
GLb K cvqLvbvi KxU nq RbMnY KiZ Pvq? ZLb m fq cq
fve h, hv-B nvK, gvbyl AvwQ Zv wVK AvwQ, KxU nZ PvB bv|
AZGe GB Rb hw` DPeYi jvKì mevhZ Kwi Zvnj cii
Rb AvwgI DPeY RbMnY Kiev|
GB fvM wekvmUv nQ GKUv v wekvm| KviAvb kixd m~iv
iv`-Gi 11 bs AvqvZ iqQ, wbRì fZi _K cwieZbi m~Pbv
bv Kij (A_vr `wfw bv e`jvj) Avj-vn Kvbv RvwZi Aevi
cwieZb Kib bv| AvbdzwmKzg A_vr wbRi fZii h `wfw, GB
276
`wfwK cwieZb bv Kij fvM cwiewZZ ne bv| fvM cwieZb

memgq wbfi Ki `wfwi Ici| h KviY Avgiv ewj, `wfw
e`jvb Rxeb e`j hve|
`w cwZex nIqvUv fvM nZ cvi wK LvwZgvb nIqv wbfi Ki
wbRi Ici| hfve gnvKwe nvgvi LvwZgvb nqQb| nji Kjvi
gnxqvb nqQb| Avmj hv wKQyK Avgiv myL gb Kwi, Zv wbfi Ki
wbRi Ici, Avcbvi `wfwi Ici, Avcbvi gy wekvmi Ici|
mvdjI wbfi Ki Avcbvi gy wekvmi Ici, Avcbvi Kgi
Ici| whwb hZ cwikg Kieb wZwb ZZ mdj neb| cwikg KiZ
ne mwVK cwZZ| KD KD ^ZtZfve mwVK c_ cq hvb,
ZvìK Avgiv ewj fvMevb| Avi hw` KD fyj c_ NvivNywi Kib,
ZvìK Avgiv mvbv `qvi Rb ewj, Gi fvM Lvivc|
wK Avmj K_v nQ, m fyj c_ PjQ| Avi whwb mdj, wZwb
mwVK c_Uv eQ wbZ ciQb, mwVK mgq mwVK wmv wbZ
ciQb| AZGe GB evcviwU Avgvì KvQ Lye cwivi _vKZ ne
h, Avcbvi cvc~Y Kg, gwi Dvebx gZvi cqvM, Avcbvi
cwikgB Avcbvi mfvM mw Kie|
ck : Avgvi GK ez Gevi nR _K Gm AvgvK GKwU AvwKK cv_i
w`qQ| GwU AvswU wnme eenvi Avcw AvQ wK? KviY, imyjyj-vn
(m) bvwK G cv_i eenvi KiZb|
Di : AvwKK cv_i eenvi Kiv IqvwRe/ diR nj Avgiv AekB
RvbZvg| ZLb Avi GB bv wK K_vUv _vKZv bv| Avi imyjyj-vn (m)
AvwKK cv_i eenvi KiZbGUv Kvbv cvgvY nv`xm bq|
wZxqZ, AvwKK cv_i ej nR _K hv Avm mUv bcvj Mj
Avcwb ev ev cveb Ges ILvb Gjv gYì wew nq| mgyì
cvo hgb wSbyK co _vK Ges h KD Zv Kzwoq wbZ cvi|
AvwKK cv_i nQ GiKg| AZGe, AvwKK g~jevb cv_i, GUv cij
AbK mIqve neGgb gb Kivi Kvbv KviY bB| kL wnme
AvswU eenvi KiZ cvib| mUv GKiKg| wK GK mybZ ejvi
myhvM AvQ wK bv G evcvi dwKniv Aviv fvjv gZ w`Z cvieb|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ck : Bwqvb wUwf Pvbj `LvwQjv h, GK aibi AvgjU, jKU

I emjU wew KiQ| Zviv GK myiv KeR ejQAbi bRi
jvMv ev Kz`w _K iv Kie| GKwU AvgjU ev emjUi `vg
2,500 iwc| wUwf PvbjwU GwU Zwii cwZI `wLqQ| GB wRwbm
wK wekvm Kiv DwPZ negnievwb Ki Rvbveb|
Di : Avmj ZvweR-KePi w`K bRi Mj, eySZ ne Avcbvi
`wfwi MvovqB Mj` iq MQ| Avmj Gme ZvweR-KeP h Kx Zv
wbq GKwU eve NUbv ewj|
NUbvUv GKRb ZiY GjRvi Ges Zvi GK cyibv KvmgUi|
ZiY GjRviwU me mwLb GjRvi wnme LvwZ cZ i
KiQb| Ggwb GKw`b Zvi KvQ n` nq QyU Gjv Zvi mB
cyibv KvmgU| KvK m Lei cqQmcwZ GjRvi nq IVv
Zvi mB mncvVx GLb gvbyli f~Z-fwelr me ejZ cvi, cvi
gykwKj Avmvb KiZ|
Zvi mgmvUv wQjv GiKgm Zvi eo fvBqi GK kvwjKvK Lye
cQ` Ki| gqwUI ZvK cQ` Ki| hvMZv, mvgvwRK mgZv meB
wVK AvQ| wK GKB cwievi `yB weq Kivbvi evcvi ivwR nwQjb
bv gyiexiv| klgk Ab RvqMvq gqwUi weqI wVK nq Mj|
Lei b Zv QjwUi Aev w`knviv| Avi Kvbv Dcvqvi bv
`L m QyU GmQ Zvi GjRvi ezi KvQ| Avkvhw` AjwKK
Kvbv gZvej m wKQy KiZ cvi| me NUbv eYbv Ki m ejjv,
AvQv, Ggb wK Kvbv ZvweR Zzwg AvgvK w`Z cviv hv w`q me
wKQyK Avwg Avgvi BQgZv KivZ cviev?
b GjRvi ezwU ejjv, `L Avwg Zv ZvweR-KeP w`B bv|
Avwg GKRb GjRvi| evwbK-MvwYwZK wnmewbKk Ki Avwg
gvbyli mK ewj| Zvì civgk w`B|
m ejjv, `v, Avwg Gme eywS bv| Avwg bwQ Zzwg AbK
KvgwjqvZ ARb KiQv| Avgvi Rb ZvgvK GKUv wKQy KiZ
neB hvZ H gqK Avwg weq KiZ cvwi|
m GKevi bvQvoev`vi gZv jM iBjv GjRvii cQb|
278
mKvj Nyg _K DV `LZ nq ZvK, ivZ evmvq hvIqvi mgqI

AvQ m| AMZv GjRvi Zvi Drmvn Kgvbvi Rb ZvK ejjb,
AvQv wVK AvQ, hvI, GZ eo GKUv KeP wbq Avmv (ej Ggb
GKUv mvBR `Lvjb, h mvBRi KeP evRvi cvIqv hvq bv)|
wK mB ezi Drmvn ZvZ fvUv Zv cojvB bv, eis Aviv ewk
Drmvn wbq m digvk w`q evwbq Avbjv eo GK jvnvi KeP|
`L GjRvi wKQyY Avi K_v ejjb bv| GZ bvQvoev`v gvbylK
Zv Avi wKQy ejvi bB| ezK ejjb, GKw`b ci AvmZ| ez Pj
Mj wZwb KePUvZ Vm Vm gvwU fi Ici gvgi Avi jvwMq
w`jb| GQvov Zvi Avi wKQy RvbvI wQjv bv| DkKvbvfve Zvi
nvZ _K wbwZ cvIqv|
ci w`b m Gj ZvweRwU ZvK w`q ejjb, GUvK fvjv Ki
Kvgi euvaZ ne (Kvgi Qvov GZ eo ZvweR Avi Kv_vI euvavi
RvqMvI wQjv bv)| Avi ejjb, GzwY Mvgi evwo iIbv nq hZ|
KviY NUbvji KvQvKvwQ bv Mj GB ZvweR KvR Kie bv|
Avmj GjRvii g~j Dk wQjv ZvK XvKv _K we`vq Kiv|
KviY XvKvq _vKj m cwZw`b ZvK wei Kie| m gyn~Z `wi bv
Ki iIbv nq Mj Zvi Mvgi evwoi Dk|
Gw`K GjRvi nuvd Qo euvPjb| hvK, GZw`b gyw cvIqv
Mj| cii GK gvm mB ezi Avi Kvbv LuvR-Lei bB| GjRvi
fvejb, wbqB gqwUi Ab RvqMvq weq nq MQ| Avi mB
kvKi avv mvgjvZ wMq ezi GB bxieZv|
wK GjRviK PgK w`q GKw`b mB ezwU bZzb eqi mvR
GK gqK wbq nvwRi| gqwUK Rvi Rvi ejZ jvMjv, mvjvg
Ki, mvjvg Ki| Avgvi ez nj Kx ne? eZ Kvgj gvbyl| Ii
RbB Zv ZvgvK cjvg Avwg|
weq evKnviv GjRviK Gici h NUbv m kvbvjv Zv
hKvbv wmbgvi KvwnbxKI nvi gvbvq| NUbv njv, H ZvweR ci
ZLbB Zv m Pj GmwQjv Mvgi evwoZ| wMq `Ljv, fvexi
evbi weqi me RvMvoh Zwi| ZLbKvi w`b Mvg weqi GK
mvn AvM _KB jvKRb Gm weqi KvR bg coZv (NUbvwU
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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1974/75 mvji)| Qj evsK gvbRvi|

Gw`K mmgq 100 UvKvi bvU wWgwbUvBRW Kiv nqwQjv|
evsKi gvbRvi wnme GB evcvi wKQy eAvBwb jb`bi mv_
RwoZ nq wMqwQjv cvwU| hvi dj wVK weqi AvMi w`b cywjk
Gm Gvi Ki wbq Mj ZvK|
m mgq Mvg GjvKvq Kvbv weq Gfve fO Mj gq Ges Zvi
cwievii cwZ jvbv-Mbvi Kvbv kl _vKZv bv| gqwUi cwievi
ZvB `Z wmv wbjv hv nevi nqQ| wK GLb weq ne Ges Zv
ne wbavwiZ w`bB| Ze cv Gevi Zvì eo gqi èi hvK wbq
Gi AvMI K_v nqQ| Qji evev-gv A_vr Zvì eqvB-eqvBbiI
GLb Avi Kvbv Avcw bB| AZGe nq Mj weq|
me NUbv eYbv Ki m AveviI ejjv, `v, Zvgvi ZvweRi
YB G mewKQy nqQ| GjRvi hZB ejb, ZvweR wKQy bv, hv
nqQ Avj-vni BQvq nqQ| m ZZB ej Zv wVK AvQ wK ZvweR
_vKvZB Zv nqQ| kl wZwb ejjb, wVK AvQ, GLb Zv weq nq
MQ| GLb Avi ZvweR w`q Kx Kie? cvwbZ dj `vI|
A_vr GB ZvweR-KeP Gjv me A_nxb| hKvbv bRi _K
euvPvi Rb Avcbvi BQvUvB h_| Avj-vni KvQ cv_bvB h_|
Avgvì `ki Z_vKw_Z cxi mvneiv Zv GfveB weLvZ nq hvb|
AbKUv So eK gi, dwKii KivgwZ evoi gZv| nqZv
KvKZvjxqfve GKUv NUbv NUjv| em! m LeiUv Pvicvk Ggbfve
Qwoq cojv ev Qovbv njv h, wZwb Kvgj cxi nq Mjb| i
nq Mj ZvweR-KePi igigv eemv|
Aek wKQy wKQy cv_i AvQ ^vi Rb DcKvix| mUvi KwgKj
KvwRkbi Rb, mUvi jvBU widKkb Ges widws Gji
Rb| wK cv_i Kviv fvM e`jvq bv, cv_i KvDK KvwUcwZjvLcwZ evbvq bv| Zvnj mg GjRviiv KvwUcwZ nq hZ Ges
ZvìK Avcwb civgk MnY Kivi Rb cZb bv| KviY KvwUcwZ
nIqvi GB mnR ivv Qo m Kb em _vKe Avcbvi wd-i Rb|
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GjwR
ck : Avwg h ckvK gbQweZ wbZ PvB Avgvi ivwkZ m ckvZ
mdjZv jvfi Kvbv Dj-L bB| G Aevq Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : hviv AvnvK Zviv ivwk viv cfvweZ nq| Avi hviv eywgvb
Zviv ivwkK cfvweZ Ki| Avmj ivwk wKQy mvaviY ewki K_v
ej| Y Avi `vli K_v ej| YjvK KvR jvwMq `vljv
`~i Ki Avcwb ivwkK AwZg KiZ cvieb|
Kxfve? GKRb fvjv GWfvKU wK AvBb AbymiY Kib, bv wK
AvBbi duvK w`q Zvi gjK euvwPq wbq hvb? AvnvK DwKj
AvBb AbymiY Ki Avi eywgvb DwKj AvBbi duvK w`q Zvi gjK
euvwPq wbq hvq| ivwkI Zv-B|
Avcwb Avcbvi mvK, Avcbvi PvK, Avcbvi eywK Ggbfve
kwkvjx Kib; Avcbvi AvMnK, gbQweK Rvivjv Kib`Leb
h, ivwkK AwZg KiZ ciQb|
ck : GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqUi GjRvi-Gi civgk bqv wK DwPZ
ne? mvaviY gvbyl wewfb mgmv _K gywi Rb GjRvii civgk
wbq fvjv dj cqQ| Zvnj Avgvì wK civgk bqv wVK ne?
Di : GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU hw` `yBejv wbqwgZ gwWUkb Ges
KvqvUvqb Kib Zvnj civgk bqvi Rb ZvK Avi Kviv KvQ
hZ ne bv| AwZPZb gbB ZvK ej è KLb Kx KiZ ne|
ck : AvBwPs Ki wmv bqv KZUv chvR?
Di : AvBwPs nQ cwiwwZ evSvi Rb| Gici wmv Kxfve
beb ev bv beb GUv Avcbvi Ici wbfi Ki| wK hme evcvi
my w`K-wb`kbv AvQ mme evcvi AvBwPsqi Kvbv cqvRb
bB| hgbbvgvR coeb wK bv GUv wbq AvBwPs Kivi Kvbv
cqvRb bB| KviY G evcvi my wb`k AvQ h, IqvgZv
bvgvR coZ ne|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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cvkvK
ck : evW cvkvK I Abvb wRwbm wK m~Yic eRbxq? bv wK
bvg Rvwni bv Ki eenvi Kiv hvq| GB evcvi Avcbvi gZvgZ
RvbZ PvB|
Di : hw` bvg Rvwni bv KiZ Pvb Zvnj evW wRwbm Kbvi
ìKvi Kx? GKB wRwbm ev GKB kvU evW nj Avcwb wKbQb wZb
nvRvi UvKv ev ZviI ewk w`q Avi evW bv nj mUv wKbQb
òk UvKv w`q, `yk UvKv w`q| hw` evUv Lyj djbB Zvnj cuvP
nvRvi UvKv w`q Avcwb Kb 500 UvKvi wRwbm wKbeb?
Avmj ev civi gvb nQ h, `L, Avgvi KZ cqmv AvQ!
Avgvi KZ qgZv AvQ, Avwg IgyK evi Rvgv-RyZv Qvov cwi bv|
A_P RyZv mvZ nvRvi UvKv ev mi nvRvi UvKv njI IUv cvqB
_vKe| mUv Avcwb BQv KijI Uzwci gZv gv_vq eenvi KiZ
cvieb bv| KvRB ev Kbv nQ GKUv evwZK Ges mUv nq
nxbbZvi KviY, wbRi Ici Avv bv _vKj|
ck : Avgvì wK mvRmv Kiv DwPZ? hw` DwPZ nq Ze Kgb
aibi mvRmv Avgiv gqiv I Qjiv Kiev m mK ejj
fvjv nq| mwZKvii vUbm Kx?
Di : myì cwiQb cvkvK cwiavb Kieb, iwPmZ cvkvK cwiavb
Kieb| GUvB nQ mvRmv| Avi Qjì mvRmvi Kx cqvRb
Avwg GUv eywS bv| gqì eySjvg h, Avj-vn Zvqvjv Zvì GKUz
mvRmv ewk w`q cvwVqQb AZGe Zviv GKUz mvRmv KiK|
Avi wUwfZ Zv `wL Qjì cvvex Avi gqì cvvexi ga
Kvbv cv_K bB| A_vr QjivI Kx cwigvY nxbbZvq fyMQ
AvRKvj| Avi mwZKvii vUbm njv, Avcwb hLvbB hveb `L
gb ne h, GKRb gvbyl AvmQ| Avcbvi DcwwZB ej è h,
Avcwb GKRb gvbyl| AvcbvK mvb Kiv hvq, kv Kiv hvq,
AvcbvK mvjvg w`q emvbv hvq| vUbm cvkvK bq| vUbm
nQ AMZ mvi ^Zt~Z cKvk|
282
ck : `vgx cvkvK I ewk ewk Kbvi cwZ SuvK _K Pv Ki Avwg

weiZ nqwQ| wK cvkvK Z_vKw_Z vU wWRvBb AvgvK GLbI
AvK Ki| G wbq gvS gvSB A fywM| Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : wZbwU weePbvq cvkvK wbevPb evbxq| GK, cvkvK Zvi
Dk c~iY KiQ wK bv A_vr `ni Ave eRvq ivLv Ges Mig ev
Vvvi cKvc _K `nK iv Kiv| `yB, whwb ciQb Zvi KvQ GwU
`wb`b wK bv Ges wZb, wZwb ci ^vQ` eva KiQb wK bv|
GB wZbwU weePbvK mvgb iLB hKvbv cvkvK evQvB Kiv
DwPZ| hgb, cvkvKi Dk `ni Ave iv Kiv| GLb evRvi
nvj dvkbi Ggb GK cvkvK Gjv hv cij jv wbeviYi e`j
`nK Aviv AveiYnxb gb nq| Zvnj mUv wK cvkvK? Avevi
kxZi mgq Ggb GK dvkb Gjv h, wdbwdb Kvcoi Zwi eyK
Lvjv kvU| mUvI wK cvkvK?
Avevi ejv nq Avc iwP Lvbv, ci iwP cnbbv| A_vr LvI
wbRi cQ`gZv, wK cvkvK ci Abi cQ`| mUvI cvkvK
civi v `wfw| eis cvkvKI civ DwPZ wbRi cQ`, wbRi
fvjv jvMvi Ici wfw Ki|
Avi mekl weePbv njv, Avivg`vqK wK bv, whwb ciQb wZwb
^vQèva KiQb wK bv| GLb vU wWRvBbi bvg Ggb GK
cvkvK Avcwb cijb hv Ggbfve Avcbvi Mvqi mv_ muU _vK, hv
ci Avcwb emZ cviQb bv, ev_ig hZ cviQb bv, GgbwK mnR
kvm-ckvm wbZ cviQb bv| ZvnjI wK GUv cvkvK? bv, Zv bq|
A_vr cPwjZ vU wWRvBb ev nvj dvkb BZvw` weePbvi Pq G
wZbwU weePbvZB Kej cvkvK Kbv DwPZ, civ DwPZ|
Awe`v
ck : Awe`v wK? Awe`vq Avv nj G _K gywi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Awe`vK Avgiv msvwqZ KiZ cvwiwZKi Z_, vb,
aviYv, wekvm Ges msvi (msvi eskMZ nvK, AvwjK nvK ev
ewMZ nvK)|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
283
gnvgwZ ey mg `ytLi Drm wnme wPwZ KiQb Awe`vK|

Zuvi Rbi nvRvi eQi ci gvbek nhiZ gyn` (m) GKwU nv`xm
PviwU welq _K Avj-vni Avkq cv_bv KiQb| hvi ga c_gUv nQ
wZKi Bjg A_vr Awe`v| jvjmv Kvgbv evmbv Avmw jvf l
gvni KviY nQ Awe`v|
mwZKvii ^vaxbZvi c_, KjvYi c_, gywi c_, GK
KjvYgq RvwZmv ARbi c_ mePq eo Aivq nQ Awe`v|
mKj Akvwi g~j hgb Awe`v, mKj AKjvYi g~jI Awe`v|
mwZKvii mgwi c_ g~j Aivq Awe`v|
we`v ev vb gvbyli gvbweKZvi weKvk NUvq| Avi Awe`v gvbylK
`vbe evbvq A_ev gi`nxb cvYx, Kvcyil ev `vm icvwiZ Ki|
nq m `vbe ne bqZv `vbei nvZ kvwlZ gi`nxb cvYx, Kvcyil
ev `vm cwiYZ ne| Avi hyM hyM ai ewkifvM gvbylB cavbZ
Awe`vi `vm cwiYZ nq| G KviY cw_exZ GZ Akvw|
Awe`v _K gywi Rb AvM Kx Kx Awe`vq Avcwb Avv Zv
kbv KiZ ne| Zvici GKwU GKwU Ki `~i KiZ ne Ijv|
ck : Avgvi GK AvZxq wekwe`vjqi mvP wWwMavix GKRb gavex
miKvwi Avgjv| wK wZwb dvBj AvUK Nyl bb, ewMZ KvR
miKvwi m` eenvi Kib Ges evwoZ xK gviai Kib| wK
wbRK wZwb GKRb wkwZ, PKm ew gb Ki Me Ki _vKb|
ZvK wK wkwZ ev vbx ejv hvq?
Di : mvcwZKKvj KD hw` BsiwR fvjv ejZ cvib ZvK
Avgiv Lye vbx jvK ewj| A_ev Kvbv chywi Ici Lye fvjv
ejZ cvib, ZvK vbx ewj|
mwZKvii vbx Ges wkwZ wZwbB whwb Rvbb Ges gvbb| A_vr
whwb wkvK ay Rvbv ch mxwgZ bv iL wbRi RxebI Zv
evevwqZ Kib| KviY wkv ev vbi cfve hw` Kviv Rxeb bv
_vK Zvnj ZvK KLbv wkwZ ev vbx ejv hvq bv|
GKRb Wvvi hw` ay cqmvi RbB ivMx `Lb Ges h cqmv
284
w`Z cvi bv ZvK webv wPwKrmvq gviv hZ `b, wZwb Avi hv-B
nvb, wkwZ bb|
GKRb Bwwbqvi ev Avgjv hw` Nyl LvIqvi Rb dvBj AvUK
ivLb, UvKv Lq AhvM cv_xK Uvi `b, Zvi AevbI ZLb
GKRb a~Z, cZviK ev kvlKi Pq Avjv`v wKQy bq|
wekwe`vjqi GKRb wkK hw` cfvekvjx gnjK Lywk Kivi
Rb Abvq KvR mnhvwMZv Kib, Zvi gav I eywI ZLb nq hvq
A_nxb| GKRb ckv`vi ev a~gcvbi Kzdj wbq eZv Kivi ci
ciB hLb wbR GKUv wmMviU aivb ZLb a~gcvbi wei ejvi
AwaKvi bxwZMZfve Zvi Avi _vK bv|
KvRB wekwe`vjqi mevP wWwMavix njB Avi gavex, PKm
eywRxex njB vbx nIqv hvq bv, hw` bv Zvi AvPiY gvbweKZvi
weKvk NU, hw` bv wZwb Zvi vbK gvbyli KjvY eenvi Kib|
ZvK eoRvi a~Z, cZviK ev kvlK ejv hvq| Awe`v ev Acwe`vi
cfveB gvbyl GiKg kvlK cwiYZ nq|
ck : Avgvì `k AbK bvwg-`vwg, Yx eywRxex, wkvwe`, wPvwe`
Z_v wevbxi `Lv cvB| wK Zviv KDB Rxebi evLv, Rxebi
cwZwU welq myì Ki, wePvi-wek-lY Ki Kb eywSq `b bv| GUvK
wK Awe`vi cfve ejv hvq? hw` Zv-B nq Ze Gi kl Kv_vq?
Di : vbx, bvwg-`vwg, eywRxex, wkvwe`, wPvwe`, wevbxiv wekl
vb wbqB e _vKb| mvaviY gvbyli mgmv wbq fvevi mgq Lye
Kg cvb| mvaviY gvbyli mgmv ZvB Zviv Zgb eySZ cvib bv|
Rxeb PjZ wMq hviv mgmvi myLxb nq, eveZvK hviv
gvKvejv Ki Zvì c Rxebi mgmv evSv mnR| AbK mgq
wekliv Zv cvi bv| mvaviY wRwbm Zviv fyj Ki ewk| GUv wbq
weLvZ M AvQ|
wevbx wbDUb Zvi KzKzii Rb Ni evbveb| wK KzKzi `yUv
GKUv eo AviKUv QvU| wbDUb wgwK ejjb, Ni `yUv ìRv
evbvZ| eo KzKzii Rb eo ìRv, QvU KzKzii Rb QvU ìRv|
wgw ZLb AevK nq ejjv, mvi, `yUv ìRvi ìKvi Kx? GKUv
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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eo ìRv evbvj Zv `yUv KzKziB Zv w`q XyKZ cvi| wbDUb G mnR

mgvavbi K_v b wbRI Lye AevK njb|
ck : Avgvì cwievi AvwgB GKgv KvqvUvg MvRyqU| cwievi
Avi KDB G evcvi AvMn eva Ki bv| evev-gv cPzi Awe`vv|
ZvìK wKQy evSvZ PvBjI evSb bv| Zviv gb Kib, RxebUv
ay covjLv Ki DcvRb Kivi RbB| GLb Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
Di : AbK mgqB gv-evevK evSvZ mgq jvM| KviY Zviv AvRb
jvwjZ cwiekB Af| ewkifvM gvbylB cPwjZ GB v aviYvi
kLj fO eivZ cvib bv| wK Avcwb hnZz G mK mPZb
nqQb, ZvB Avcbvi `vwqZ njv Awe`v _K gy nq wbRi
RxebK mwVKfve Mo Zvjv| Zvnj Ggb GK mgq Avme hLb
Avcbvi cwievii m`mmn Aviv AbK gvbylK Rxeb mK mwVK
`wfwi K_v ejZ cvieb hvi cfve Zvì Ici coe|
cvvZ I Awe`v
ck : cvvZ Awe`vi cfve ewk, fvRb I g_ybB Zviv e| G
evcvi Kvbv m`n bB| Ze GUvI mZ h, vb-wevb GLb
ZvivB AMmi| mLvb we`v Ges Awe`vi GB mnvevbK Avcwb
Kxfve evLv Kieb|
Di : Avmj vb I we`vi PPv Ges Z_ I chywi DrKl`yUv
Avjv`v welq| Z_ I chywi GB DrKli gvag `Zv mwi djB
cvvZ GLb AMmi nq AvQ| wK mwZKvi vb ev we`vi PPv, hv
gvbweKZvK vb `q mePq Ici mUvi cfve cvvZ bB| eis
Zvi wKQyUv njI AvQ cvP| KviY cvvZi `kbB nQ Rvi hvi
gyj-yK Zvi Ges Gi Drm njv wMK `kb| GwiUj I c-Uvi GB
`kbi g~j K_v njv, mgvRK kvmb Kie gywgq AwfRvZMvx Avi
msLvMwi mvaviY gvbyli KvR njv GB Mvxi mev`vmZ Kiv|
A_P eYev`x `kb h mgq cvvZK Mvm KiQ, AvovB nvRvi
286
eQi AvMi wVK mmgqB cvP gnvgwZ ey cPvi KiQb Awnsmv

I mvgi evYx| NvlYv KiQbRbi viv bq, Kg vivB wbavwiZ
nq GKRb gvbyl evY ev ghv`vkxj ne, bv wK AQyr ev Acvsq
ne| GgbwK mfZvi weKvk cvvZ nqQ ej Avgiv gb Kwi|
A_P mfZvi weKvk, vb-wevb-chywi c_g PPv, wk-mswZi
cxVvb wMm ev ivg bq, Zv njv evwejb, gmvcUwgqv Ges
Avgvì Dcgnv`k|
wK GLb cvvZ AMmi nq AvQ Z_ I chywZ Zvì gav I
`Zvi weKvk NUvbvi KviY| mLvb we`v bB| KviY Awe`v I
we`v KLbv mnvevb KiZ cvi bv| mRb cvvZ gvbweKZv I
bwZKZvi weKvk NU wb| ay kw I ì cKvk NUQ| Zviv mycvi
cvIqvi nqQ| Kvbv mycvigvb ev Abb gvbyl Dcnvi w`Z cvi wb|
ck : MZ cuvPkZ eQi ai BDivwcqvbiv Afvei Zvobvq ev bZzb
Rxebi LuvR weki wewfb cv Qwoq co| Zviv Di I `wY
AvgwiKv, Awjqvmn wZbwU enr m`kvjx gnv`k `Lj Ki bq|
Gme vb vbxq Awaevmxì RwgRgv jyU Ki bqvi `xN I ggvwK
BwZnvm iqQ| BDivc, AvgwiKv I Zvì Dim~wiì h AvPiY
Avgiv MZ GKk eQi ai `LwQ, Zv Zvì c~em~wiì PqI RNb|
Zvì Rxebi meUvB wbgwZ Awe`vq| ck nQ, GZ `xNmgq
Awe`vi PPv KiI Giv Kxfve weki mePq AMmi RvwZ nq AvQ?
Di : hnZz Avgiv chywZ wcwQq AvwQ ZvB Zviv AMmi nq
AvQ| Avgiv hnZz chywi PPv Kwi wb, Avevi bwZK kwKI
weKwkZ Kwi wb, ZvB Avgiv AMmi nB wb| ay mZZv w`q wKQy nq bv
hw` bv mZZvi mv_ gav I `Zv hy nq| cvvZi bwZKZv bB,
chyw AvQ| Avi Avgvì bwZKZvI bB, chywI bB| AvgivB
cw_exK bZZ èv hLb Avgiv bwZK kw I chyw`yUvZB
ejxqvb nZ cviev| AZGe Zvì GB weRq fq cvIqvi wKQy bB|
mgvU Rvnvxii KvQ Gm B Bwqv Kvvwbi cwZwbwa Ugvm
iv Kzwbk KiwQjv| wK Zvi gv òk eQii gv_vq GKB Kvvwb
_K KvBf hLb evsjv wenvi Dwolvi beve wmivRDjvi KvQ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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GmwQjv m wK Kzwbk Ki wb| AvR _K mvo Pvik eQi AvM

Zzii Imgvbxq Lwjdv mvjgvb ` gvMwbwdwkqU-Gi ìevi
BDivwcqiv AvmZv bZRvby nq|
AvovBk eQi AvM KvBf hLb gywk`vev` GmwQjv, gywk`vevì
kvb-kIKZ `L m _gK wMqwQjv| gywk`vev` ZLb jbi Pq
eo kni wQjv|
Avmj, GKwU RvwZi `yUv kw| GK nQ Zvi bwZK kw, `yB
Zvi elwqK kw ev chyw| Avgiv hw`b Avevi Avgvì bwZK kw
I chywK GKwZ KiZ cviev AvgivI bZZ èv| Kb cviev
bv? eZgvb Aev fvjv bB ejB Zv ewk wKQz Avkv Kiev| eZgvb
Aev fvjv _vKj Zv ewk wKQy Avkv Kivi cqvRb nZv bv| cwZwU
Aev gvbyl e`jQ gbQwe Ki|
ck : cvP _K mfZv wMm Mj| wMm _K mfZvi weeZb,
cwieZb, cwieab nq AvRKi GB AvaywbK mfZvi Rb| cvP _K
wkv wbq Zviv wbRìK cwZwZ KiZ cvijv| wK mfZvi Drm
nIqv mI cvP Kb Iì gZv wevi jvf KiZ cvijv bv?
Di : BDivci AvRKi mfZv gv MZ AvovBk eQii| AvR _K
500 eQi AvM WvK GR ejv nZv BDivcK| gahyM nQ
BDivci Rb AKvivQb hyM| Avi m mgqUv wQjv cvPi Rb
mfZv Avi vb-wevbi ^YhyM| Ag kZvx _K i Ki qv`k
kZvx ch vb-wevb PPv nZv cvP|
AvR _K wZbk eQi AvM Zzii Imgvwbqv LjvdZi mdjZg
mgvU mvjgvb ` gvMwbwdwkqU-Gi ivR wQjv nvwi, eyjMwiqv,
wMm nq Rvgvwb ch| ZLbKvi w`b Zzii iv`~Z nIqvUv wQjv
hKvbv BDivwcqvb KUbxwZKi mePq mvbRbK GmvBbgU|
GLb hiKg AvgwiKvq iv`~Z nZ cvij AbK gb Kib
KUbwZK Rxeb mv_K njv|
wK ZviciB Avgiv fvM-wejvm g nq Mjvg, hvMZv`ZvK KvR jvMvZ e_ njvg, Avgvì cZb njv| GLb Zviv
wejvm g, avweZ nQ cZbi w`K| ^vfvweKfveB Dj fwelr
288
Acv KiQ Avgvì RbB| hw` Avgiv bwZK kwK RvMZ Kwi
Avi chywZ ` nB|
ck : Avcwb GKvavi cvvZi KUv Kib, Zvì Materialistic
life ev cY`vmZ wbq| Avevi Kvbv Z_i mZZv ev MelYvi K_v
ejZ wMq Zvì idvi eenvi Kib| cvvZi KvjPvi hw` GZ

Lvivc nq Zvnj Zvì wimvPK Kb GZ iZ `qv nQ?
Di : KviY Zviv wimvP KiQ| A_vr fvjv-Lvivc me welq wbqB

Zvì iqQ bvbvb aibi MelYv| Avi Gme MelYvq Zviv cgvY
cvQ mme kvkZ mZi, hvi K_v gnvgvbeiv ej MQb hyM hyM|
cgvY KiQ Zvì Awe`vv Rxebi AmviZi| cwimsLvb w`q
`LQ AbwZKZv Avi AagvPvii cwiYwZ| dj Zvì DwZ w`qB
Avgiv evSvwQ Zviv KZ Amvi, Atmvik~b| bBj ejZb Avgiv
evwbq ejwQ| KviY Avgvì cvP GLbv AbK gvbyl AvQb hviv
gbvRvMwZK `vmZi kLj Ave| Zvì KvQ GLbv cvvZi
idvi, cvvZi MelYvj Z_i wekvmhvMZvB ewk, Zv Avgiv
hZfveB ewj bv Kb|
ck : cvvZi `kmg~n Awe`v viv Avv| wK gavi weKvki
Rb Avgvì `k myhvM bB ejjB Pj| dj Avgvì
cvvZgyLx nZB nQ| wevb mvabvi , RbKjvYKi,
AKjvYKi hvB nvK cvvZ GwMq AvQ| Avgvì cvP hme
wevbx ZvivI cvvZ wMq MelYv KiQb| Zvnj Avgvì
cvvZ wMq vb mvabvi Pv wK Awe`vcm~Z? Avevi cvvZ
hvIqvi myhvM AbKiB _vK bv| m wbRi gZvi Pq
Ckii KiYvi ìKvi mePq ewk| Kx Kiev?
Di : c_gZ, we`v Ges chyw G `yUvK Avjv`v KiZ ne| KviY
chyw Avcwb fvjv KvR eenvi Kieb bv Lvivc KvR eenvi
Kieb Zv wbfi Kie Avcbvi we`v ev Awe`vi Ici| Avcwb hw`
Awe`v viv cfvweZ nb Zvnj chywK Lvivc KvR eenvi Kieb|
wZxqZ, chyw wbq MelYv KiZ nj AekB cvvZ hveb|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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wK Avgiv KqRb mRb hvwQ? cwZ eQi h wecyj msLK QvQvx

DPwkvi bvg we`k hvq Zvì GKUv eo AskB Avi covkvbv
KiZ cvi bv| KviY Zvì AbKiB cZvkv _vK, AvM Zv hvB|
Zvici KvbviKg GKUv KvR RywUq covi LiP Pvjvev| wK mUv
h GZ mnR evcvi bq Zv eySZ i Ki hvIqvi ci| KviY G mgq
hLvb Zvì jvKRbB PvKwi nvivQ mLvb wfb`wk Kvjv Pvgovi
QvQvxiv Abvqvm KvR cq hve Zv fvevUvI A^vfvweK| Avi
cjI m eZb w`q wekwe`vjqi covi LiP hvMvbv me bq|
_vKv-LvIqvi LiP Zv ev`B Mj| dj Zvì AbKB kl ch nq
`k wdi Avm, bqZv covkvbv Qo w`q KvbviKg GKUv AW
Re Ki Rxeb Pvjvq| Avi cvvZi DQLj RxevbvPvi Af nq
eL hvIqv Zv AvQB| weklZ hviv wUb-GR we`k hvq|
Gme KviY Avgiv ewj, QvQvxì Rb cv MvRyqkb jfj
evBi hvIqvUvB fvjv| ZLb G mgmvjv nIqvi mvebv Kg _vK|
AZGe chywi Rb hw` nq AekB hveb Zv AvgwiKv, Bsjv,
Pxb, Rvcvb hLvb nvK| KviY AvcbvK chywZ ` nZ ne|
Avcwb hLb chywZ ` neb ZLb Avcbvi mZZv kw ARb Kie|
Avi GKRb gvbyl hLb wbRi `ZvK cqvM Kivi evcvi AvwiK
nq ZLb mv Zvi KjvY Kib| Avcwb Ni em mvi KiYv PvBeb,
Avi mv Gm chywi Rb AvcbvK we`k cvwVq èb Zv KLbv
ne bv| AvcbvK AvwiKfve Pv KiZ ne|
ck : Awe`v mK evLv Kib| GUv wK Avgvì ZvM KiZ ne?
Awe`v wK gvbyli RweK PZbvevaK evSvq? Zvnj bvix-cyili
h ^vfvweK mK mUv wK eRbxq?
Di : Avmj Awe`v mwKZ GB h aviYv GUvI GKUv Awe`v|
bvix-cyili ^vfvweK mK hw` eRbxq nZv, Zvnj GZjv bvix,
cyil GK GLvb em AvwQ Kxfve, mvivw`b KvUvwQ Kxfve| Avevi
gvbyli RweK PZbvKI Awe`v evSvq bv| Awe`v evSvq
evovevwoK| Awe`v evSvq cwiwgwZ AwZg KivK|
Awe`v cwiZvM Kiv KKi| KviY Awe`v QvoZ Mj wbRì
290
AbK wKQy QvoZ nq, Avi AbK wKQy QvoZ bv cvij A_vr RvqMv
hw` Lvwj bv Kib Zvnj bZzb m` XvKveb Kv_vq? bZzb m`
XvKvZ nj AvM Zv AveRbvjvK `~i KiZ ne|
ck : evsjv`k GLbI Mvgme^ GKwU `k| MvgI AbK Awe`v|
Mvg wbq KvqvUvg Kx fveQ?
Di : Avgvì AvM wbRì wbq fveZ ne| Avgiv wVK nj Zvi
cfve Mvg-M, nvU-NvU, Awdm-Av`vjZ, kni-ivRavbxZ A_vr
meRvqMvq coe|
ck : Pviw`K hv `wL me Ang Ges Awe`v| vf cKvk KiZ
cviwQ bv| gvS gvS wbRB cfvweZ nq cowQ| G _K euvPvi ev
mvgb GwMq hvIqvi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Pvicvk Awe`v AvQ ejB we`vi cqvRb| GB we`v
Abykxjb KiB Avgiv ahi mv_ GwMq hvev|
ck : GB Awe`vi hyM hviv GKUz we`vi PPv Kib ev we`vi evYx
gb Pjvi Pv Kib Zviv Ni Ges evBi KvYVvmv nq covi
Aevq| G Aevq mgvRi cwZ Avgvì Kx KiYxq?
Di : mZ c_gw`K memgq KvYVvmv Aevq _vK| wK mZi h
KjvYKi Y Zvi KviYB mZ Av Av weKwkZ nq| KvYVvmv bv
nq KvYv Av Av evoZ _vK Ges msLv memgq evoZ _vK|
KviY mZi GKUv wbR^ kw iqQ|
wgwWqv I Awe`v
ck : Avgiv wgwWqvq cvvZi mvdji K_v `LwQ| AZGe Zv
AbymiY KiZ Amyweav Kv_vq?
Di : Avgiv `yBkZ eQi BDivwcqvbì Mvjvg wQjvg| m KviYB
mvgvRev`x cPvi gvag hv fvevq, Avgiv Zv-B fveZ ^vQèva
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Kwi, hv LvIqvq, hv civZ Pvq ZvZB ^vQèva Kwi| hb wUwfZ

ejj ev cwKvq wjLjB me A nq Mj|
mvgvRev`x cPvi gvagjv h KxiKg wg_vPvi KiZ cvi Zvi
GKwU D`vniY njv, MZ kZvxi Lye eo GKRb `vkwbK Ru cj mv
hvi viv lvUi `kKi ZiYiv h_ cwigvY cfvweZ nqwQjv| wZwb
gvbeZvev`x `vkwbK wQjb| Zvi ewZ GB gvvi wQjv h, hLvb
bvej cyivi cvIqvUvK AbK GZ eo wKQy gb Kib, Zv cvIqvi
Rb mewKQy, GgbwK wbRK wewI KiZ cvib, mLvb Ru cj
mv GB cyivi cZvLvb KiwQjb| wbRi `kbi Ici GiKgB
wQjv Zvi wekvm| ZvKB wmAvBG cw_exi GKbî mvmx wPwZ
KiwQjv| A_P wZwb Rxeb KLbv A aib wb, evgv dvUvb wb,
GgbwK KvDK KLbv PoI gvib wb|
lvUi `kK Zvi GKwU eB Avgvi nvZ Gjv 'Being in
nothingness' hwUK ejv nZv Existentialism Gi evBej| A_vr
Existentialism-K eySZ nj GwUK eySZ ne| eBwU cojvg, wK
eySjvg bv| cieZx KqK eQi AviI òki ewk eB cojvg H
eBUvK evSvi Rb| ZviciI KZUv eySZ ciwQ Zv Avgvi wbRi
KvQ cwivi bq| Kb? KviY Avwg Avgvi wbRi vbi AvjvK
ZvK wePvi KiZ PvB wb| Avwg PqwQ, wZwb Kx evSvZ PvBQb, Zv
eySZ| gy gb wbq evSvi Pv KiwQ Ges Zvi ee evSvi Rb
Existentialism-Gi Ici eB msMn Ki cowQ|
cyuwRev` wbqwZ wgwWqv memgq GUvB nZ w`Z Pvq bv h, Avcwb
gy gb wbq wKQy bZ cvib, memgq GKUv preconceived idea
Avcbvi ga XywKq w`Q|
Avmj cvvZi `kb ev wgwWqvK Awe`v cfvweZ Qvov Avi wKQy
ejv hvq bv| hgb, cvvZ `kbi wfw njv wMK, ivgvb mfZv|
GB wMK mfZvi mePq eo `vkwbK c-Uv, GwiUj cgyL|
GwiUji mgvR wPvUv Kx? Zvi ivfvebvUvB GK Awe`v|
c-Uv I GwiUji ivfvebvq iqQ `ywU kYxi DcwwZ| GK,
AwfRvZ, `yB `vm| Avi `vmì AwZ njv AwfRvZì Avivg
Avqki eev Kivi Rb| GB `kbK GLbv covbv nq Ges
`kbi wfw ejv nq| Zvì GB `kbK evSvevi Rb KvUzb
292
Bjvkb `Lvbv nqwQjvGKwU cvnvo, hvi P~ovUv mgZj| mLvb

em AvQb AvU `kRb AwfRvZ kYxi gvbyl| Avi cvnvoi wbP AvQ
j j mvaviY gvbyl hviv KvbviKg KuzRv nq cvnvoi evSvUvK
enb Ki PjQ| wMK mfZvq h MYZi K_v ejv nq, m MYZ
nQ AwfRvZ wKQy gvbyli MYZ| mvaviY gvbyli bq| GUvK Awe`v
Qvov Avi Kx ejv hvq|
ivgvb mfZviI GKB evcvi| mLvb M-vwWqUiì hy
AeZxY Kivbv nZv Ges GKRbK w`q AviKRbK nZv Kivbv
nZv hv `L AwfRvZ kYxi bvixiv ch Dj-wmZ nZv|
AvgwiKvi cwmWU wbevPbI Avgiv `LwQ MYZi bgybv|
fvU ewk cvq GKRb Avi cwmWU nq AviKRb| GK MYZi
cwinvm ev Awe`v Qvov Avi Kx ejv hvq?
Avevi cvvZ ej, gy evRvi A_bxwZ| GB gy evRvi A_bxwZi
cwinvm Avgiv eySZ cvwi Kweii `yB weNv Rwg KweZvwU w`q|
hLvb GKwU Q AvQ, evey ewjjb, eySQ DcbGLvb Dcb njv
`wi`, kvwlZi cZxK hvi RwgUzKzi RbB Zvi Akvw|
Rwg`vi evey ZvK evSvjbhnZz GB RwgUzKzB Zvi Akvwi
KviY, AZGe Zv w`q w`jB Svgjv PzK hvq| m Zv-B Kijv|
cieZxZ Zvi wbRi jvMvbv AvgMvQ _K GKwU Avg So wbP
cojv| Avi mB Avg Kzwoq LvIqvi Aciva ZvK Pvi mve Kiv
njv| ZLb Dcb ejwQjv, Zzwg gnvivR mvay nj AvR, Avwg AvR
Pvi eU|
AZGe Avgvì Aev GB Dcbì Pq ewk wKQy bq| Zviv
AvgvìK hv evSvq Avgiv Zv-B eywS Avgvì Awe`vi KviY| `wi`
nq _vwK hgb Awe`vi KviY, Zgwb `vwi`K fvM ej gb Kwi
mUvI Awe`vi KviY|
ck : Avgiv KvqvUvg cwievii m`miv weMZ wewfb IqvKkc _K
RbwQ h, eZgvb wek wewfb wgwWqv ev wUwf Pvbji gvag wewfb
iKgi Awe`v viv Avv| Avi Zv Rvbv mI wUwfi AvKlY _K
AvgivB cyivcywi gy nZ cviwQ bv| wUwf _K gy Kxfve nev `qv
Ki ejeb|
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Di : wUwfi Rb hviv cvMvg Zwi Ki Zviv memgq gvbyli

^fvei `yej w`KjvZ myuomuywo `q| GKwU gvbyl, ZiY-ZiYx Kx
Pvq? hv Pvq mfve Zwi KijB m `Le| mvaviY gvbyl h RweK
Rxebhvcb Ki Zvi PvIqvUvK DmK `q| eve KLbv hv Zvi c
me bq, Kvwnbxi Kbvq ZvK Zv `wLq gvngy Ki ivL|
hgb, AwaKvsk wmbgvq Kx _vK? bvqK wiKkvIqvjv| Avi bvwqKv
weivU eojvKi gq| bvqK-bvwqKvi ga cg njv| bvwqKv GKUv
wiKkvIqvjvK ^vgx evwbq Ni Qo cvjvjv| Ges bvqK evevi
cvVvbv 10 vK GKvB aivkvqx Ki cywjki KvQ _K abev`
cjv| Avcbviv KqRb eve GiKg NUbv `LQb| A_P GiKg
KvwnbxK DcRxe KiB Zwi nQ AwaKvsk wmbgv| Kb? KviY
wiKkvIqvjviv, MvgUm kwgKiv G AjwKK Kbvq Wye _vKZ Pvq|
wgwWqvB ZvZ GìK Af KiQ|
AZGe, Avcwb wVK Kib, wUwfZ Avcwb Kx Kx `LZ Pvb? wVK
Kib, Avcwb wK wgwWqvi MvwjKvq Mv fvmveb, bv wbRi cQ`
`Leb? hw` wbRi cQ` `LZ Pvb Zvnj Avcwb Zv-B `Leb hv
Avcbvi `Lv cqvRb Ges KjvYKi| hv `Lvi cqvRb bB`Lv
e Ki w`b| Zviv Gm Zv Avi Rvi KiQ bv|
Avcwb wVK Ki ivLyb h Kx Kx `Leb, KvbUv `Lvi ga
Avcbvi DcKvi iqQ| KviY wUwfi meB Lvivc bq, AbK wKQyB
AvQ hv Avcbvi Rvbv cqvRb| mUv hLb Rvbeb ZLb Avcwb DcKZ
neb| mfve Avcwb cvMvg Ges wbw` mgq wVK Ki beb|
AwaKvsk hvì Nygi mgmv Zviv ivZ RM wUwf `L|
GLb PvbjjvZ h wmwiRjv nq mejvZB MxeZ Pv loh
KvPvj Avi ciKxqv| Avi Gjv nwjDWi mvc Acivi wnw` bKj,
cwiek cv Zwi Kiv nqQ| A_vr fvRb, loh, cgi bvg
bvwg Qvov Avi wKQy bB| MxeZ loh gvivgvwi `Lvi dj Avcbvi
bvf Bb nQ| Avcwb NygvZ cviQb bv, kvwZ _vKZ cviQb
bv| KviY wnDgvb bvf GjvK eveZv gb KiQ|
mRb Avcwb wbw` mgq, wbw` cvMvg `Leb| Avgiv
AfvmekZ wUwf `LZ em cwo| A_P m mgqUv mvbi mv_, xi
mv_ KvUvj Avcwb DcKZ neb, kvw cveb|
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ck : wUwf `LvUv GKUv bkv nq MQ| Gi wZKi cfve mK

Rvbvi ciI G Avmw _K eivZ cviwQ bv| G Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avcwb h wUwf `LvUvK bkvi m Zzjbv KiQb ZvZB
evSv hvq Gi wZ mK Avcwb mPZb| wK G mPZbZv mv_K
ne hLb Avcwb eveI GB Avmw _K gy nZ cvieb| KviY
wUwfK ejv nq evKvi ev A_vr `kKK GUv evKvi gZvB gvngy
Ki ivL| wK AbKY `Lvi ci Kv nq wUwf e Ki eySZ
cvib GZYi wbU djvdj k~b| eis m, mvmc Avi fvqvj
fiv Gme cvMvg Avcbvi vqweK DRbvB evwoq `q|
Avmj GB wUwf wgwWqvi gvag cyuwRev`x kvlKP Zvì
`xNgqv`x lohKB evevwqZ KiQ| KviY gvbylK hw` Kvgbvevmbv-jvjmvq Dm&K `qv hvq, gvbweK g~jeva hw` asm Ki `qv
hvq Zvnj Zviv KLbv kvlKi wei ùvove bv| fvRb, RweK
Pvwn`v c~iY Ges AbK cxob KivK hw` Rxebi GKgv j ej
cPvi Kiv hvq Zvnj mvaviY gvbyl cwiYZ ne wPivqx `vm, fvMi
Rb m ay wKbe Avi Kbvi A_ hvMvoi Rb m Mvavi gZv KvR
Ki hve| Avi mUvB GB kvlK Pi Pv, h Dk Zviv
wgwWqvK eenvi KiQ|
ck : wUwf `Lj Awe`v, evBi Mj Awe`v| GB Awe`v _K
wbRìK Kxfve iv Kiev?
Di : memgq wbRì gbK wRm Kieb, h KvRwU Avwg KiwQ
Zv wbRi Rb KjvYKi wK bv, mgvRi Rb KjvYKi wK bv| Avwg
h QweUv `LwQ, h bvPUv `LwQ GZ Avgvi Kx gj nQ? G iKg
bvP wK AvM `wL wb? GKevi Zv `Ljvg Avi Kqevi `Lev?
wbRK wRm Kib `Lj Kx nq| GZ `Leb Avcbvi AvKlY
Kg hve| Avgiv Zv ck Kwi bv, AvnvKi gZv ZvwKq _vwK, hb
Rxeb GUv c_g `LwQ|
ck : eZgvb mgq wUwf cvMvgi AviKwU bZzb aviv njv wewfb
msMxZ ev Abvb cwZfvi AwaKvixì ga cwZhvwMZv Abyvb| GZ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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`kKì GmGgGm eenvi Ki AskMnY Kivi myhvM `qv nq| GUv

KZUv DcKvix?
Di : weRqx nIqvi cwqvq GmGgGm fvwUsqi bvg h mvaviY
`kKiv m nq Zv webv`b eemvi mvgvRev`x Pi evevqb Qvov
Avi wKQy bq| hgb, GKRb ZiY Zvi cQì Kvbv MvwqKvK weRqx
Kivi Rb 9000 GmGgGm cvVvjv| GZ jvfevb njv H gvevBj
Kvvwb, wUwf Pvbj, wevcb msvjv Ges gaeZx `vjvjMvx|
Zvi PqI Dj-LhvM njv mvaviY `kKì fvUi gvag
KLbvB wbavwiZ nq bv h, K 1g 2q ev 3q ne| Zv memgqB
wbavwiZ nq H eemvqx Pi wbR^ cQ`-AcQì wfwZ| Avi Gi
mewKQyiB cwiYwZ nQ Akvw, Ubkb, nZvkv Ges mgq b|
evOvwji K_v ejvi ceYZv Ges AvvwcqZv gvevBj
Kvvwbjvi eemvwqK ^v_ nvwmji KvR Lye fvjvfve jvMQ| h
KviY `wi` ej h `k cwiwPZ Zvi 15 KvwU gvbyli mvZ KvwUiI
ewk gvbyli KvQ GLb gvevBj| Avi G msLv cwZw`bB evoQ|
Avgiv Lye Zw wbq `wL h, gvevBj dvb GLb KZ myjf| wK
GUv wPv Kwi bv h, GB njv i| Gici cwZ gvmB h K_v ejv,
gmR `qvi Rb kZ kZ UvKvi KvW wKbwQ mUv wK Avgiv Lqvj
Kwi? ejv ne h, AvaywbK mgq `Z hvMvhvMi Rb gvevBj
dvb GK Abb myhvM| mUv wVK| wK Gi KZUv cqvRb Avi
KZUv AcqvRb eenvi Kwi Zvi wnme wbj `Lev AcqvRbxq
LiPUvB ewk|
Avmj GB gvevBj Avmw AvjmiB GK ic| KviY Avjm gvb
cwiKbvgvwdK mywbw` KjvYKi djcm~ KvR bv Ki mgqi AcPq
Kiv| Avi wek cyuwRev`x P GK myMfxi Pvi Ask wnmeB GB
AvjmceYZvq Avgvì Vj w`qQ webv`bi bvg ev AMMwZi
bvg| KviY GKwU RvwZ hLb Avjm Avv Avi fvMi ceYZvq g
nq, ZLbB Zvi cZb Avm|
hgb ivg hLb cyowQjv, ZLb mgvU bxiv ivRcvmv` em euvwk
evRvwQjb| wmcvnx wec-ei mgq mviv fviZ hLb RjwQjv Ahvavi
beve IqvR` Avjx kvn ZLb `vev LjwQjb| ZvB kvlK ev
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civfeev`xì Kkj njv kvwlZK Avjm, Avv Avi fvM

ceYZvq g ivLv| GZ Zvi Kgnv _vKe bv Ges we`vnx ev
cwZev`x ne bv| RxebK wbq m eo wKQy fveZ cvie bv|
Pv kwgKì Rxeb Gi Lye KiY D`vniY| mviv mvn AgvbywlK
LvUzwbi ci h DcvRb m Ki, Ni divi AvMB Zvi cvq cyivUvB
m Dwoq `q g`-Zvwoi `vKvb| Zvici Km Pj Zvi evwK
mgq| cii mvn Avevi GKB NUbv|
GfveB eskciivq PjQ Pv kwgKì Rxebgì bkv, ivMkvK Avi Afve ayuKZ ayuKZ| G AevUv cwieZbi D`vM bqv nq
bv BQ KiB| KviY Zvnj Avi ZvìK `wgq ivLv hve bv,
hfve Lywk mfve kvlY Kiv hve bv|
KvRB GKRb ^vaxb gvbyl wnme AvgvKB mPZb nZ ne h,
wgwWqv Avi wevcb cfvweZ nq Avwg wK cKvivi kvlKìB ^v_
iv KiwQ bv? AvcbvKB D`vMx nZ ne| MvwjKv cevn Mv
fvmvbv gvbyl bq, AvcbvK ewZgx nZ ne|
ck : webv`bi Rb wK wUwfi cqvRb bB? hw` _vK Zvnj
KZUzKz? Kxfve eySev?
Di : Avgiv KLbv ewj wb h, wUwf `Leb bv| Avgiv hv ejwQ Zv
njvwUwfi cwZ Avcwb hw` Avm nq hvb mUv Avcbvi Rb
wZKi ne|
Avmj welq nQAvgiv KLbv wUwfi wec bB| wK wUwf hb
AvcbvK cq bv em| mycfvZ _K Avgvi mvbvi evsjv ch hb
wUwf bv `wL| wUwf KZY `Leb, KqK Nv bv GK Nv mUv
Avcwb wVK Ki beb| Kx cvMvg `Leb Zv-I wVK Ki ivLeb|
Avi m cvMvgB `Leb hv AvcbvK ckvw è|
Avgiv Ggb me cvMvg `wL hv bvfK Awi Ki `q, DrKv
evwoq `q| wnw` wmwiqvji bvwqKv Kzmygi AvMvgxKvj Kx ne Zv
Avcwb hw` wPv Kib Avi Gw`K Avcbvi ckv, cwievi, covkvbv
wbq Kvbv fvebv bB Zvnj eySZ ne Avcwb Avm nq coQb|
Avcwb Aeqi w`K hvQb|
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ck : Avwg BwWqUi ev wbq KvR KiZ PvB| wK `kKì BwWqU

bq, vbx evbvZ PvB| Kx Ki me?
Di : GUvI me| wgwWqvK vb weZiYi RbI eenvi Kiv hZ
cvi| wgwWqvZ fvjv cvMvg nZ cvi| fvjv cvMvg evbvZ cvib,
gvbylK vb w`Z cvib, mUvI Bev`Z ne hw` Avcbvi cvMvgi
ga w`q GKRb gvbylK AvjvwKZ KiZ cvib|
Kzmsvi
ck : eve f~Z ev Ackw ej wKQy AvQ wK bv hv wbRb avb Kivi
mgq wZ Kie?
Di : GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU wbRb ev Rbmgvek avb KiZ
cvib| f~Z ev Ackw KLbv Zvi wKQy KiZ cvie bv| Avmj f~Z
ej wKQy bB|
ck : Ni _K ei nIqvi mgq KD hw` nuvPU Lvq, nuvwP Avm ev
Kvbv evav Avm Zvnj wK Dk mdj nq bv?
Di : GUvI GKUv Kzmsvi| nR hvIqvi mgq Avgvi Pkgv fO
Mj| nRi hvv AZ mdj nqQ|
ck : Ni Svo `qvi Svo ev cvwbi Lvwj Kjm `Lj, wWg Lq ei
nj wK Agj nq?
Di : cwZw`b mKvj GKUv wWg Lq Avwg evmv _K ei nB| KviY
mKvji bvkZvq Avi wKQy _vKzK bv _vKzK wWg _vKeB| Gjvi mv_
Agji Kvbv mK bB| Gjv meB Kzmsvi| Ni Svo `qvi
Svo cwe wRwbm| GUv hw` eeZ bv nZv Zvnj cweZvB _vKZv
bv| h KviY i_hvvi mgq i_x gnvi_xiv Svo w`Z w`Z c_ Pjb|
SvoK Lvivc gb Kiv DwPZ bq| cvwbi Kjm Lvwj bv nj fieb Kx
Ki? AZGe Gjvi mv_ Agji Kvbv mK bB|
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ck : hw`b iZc~Y cvMvg _vK mw`b KvR eo hvq| Zvovov

KiZ wMq Kvbv `yNUbv NU, bqZv cvMvg hvIqv nq bv|
Di : GKevi cvMvg hvev| Avcbvì gv-RxK Zvi mUi evZj
w`Z wMq evZjUv Avgvi nvZ _K co Mj| co-Zv-co, Avgvi
cvqi Ici| co IUv fO Mj| ^vfvweKfve cv GKUz KUI
Mj| we`k hvev| me cwZ kl| eySjvg, GUv kqZvbi KvR|
Ab KD nj Kx gb KiZvAf jY| Avwg ejjvg, kvKi
Avjnvg`ywjj-vn! ANUb hv AvMB NU Mj| hvv f| Zgb ewk
KvU wb| cvqi Ici ev-GBW jvwMq RyZv ci hvv Kijvg|
AZ djcm~ gY wQjv GwU|
ck : Svoi gvi Lj wPKb nq GK_vwU KZLvwb mZ?
Di : Svoi gvi Lj hw` wPKb nq Zvnj hviv IRb KgvZ Pvb,
hviv gvUv nq MQb Zviv Zv wbR wbR Kvbv Pv bv Ki ay
Svoi gvi LqB wPKb nq hZb| Avmj Gjv njv Kzmsvi|
Svo w`q gvij hw` wPKbB nIqv hZv Zvnj gvUv ^vgx ev xiv x
ev ^vgxK ejZvZzwg GKUz Svo w`q wcUvI, Avwg wPKb nB|
ck : mevB ej mKvj `yB kvwjK `Lj w`b fvjv KvUe, GK
kvwjK `Lj Kcvj Lvivc wKQy RvU| GUv wK Awe`v?
Di : GUv Awe`v bv, evR Kzmsvi|
ck : cvqB `Lv hvq h, P`MnY I m~hMnYi mgq AbK LvIqv`vIqv KiZ wbla Ki| wekl Ki MfeZx gwnjvì ejvq G wbqg
gvbv AwZ Riwi nq co| GgbwK wkìI Lvevi _K weiZ ivLv
nq| welqwU KZUzKz cvmwK|
Di : m~hMnY Ges P`MnYi mgq Avgvì `ni gUvewjK Aevi
wKQy cwieZb Avm| m mgq k Lvevi Avcbvi `ni gUvewjK
Aevi RbB wZKi nZ cvi Ges ZLb Lvevi Lj dzW cqRwbs
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nZ cvi| m~hMnY P`MnYi cfve ay `ni Ici bv cyiv cKwZi

Ici co| GB `wfw nQ evwbK| Avi AZUzKz mgq k Lvevi
bv LvIqv Kvbv KwVb wKQy bv| wZ nIqvi Pq bv LvIqv fvjv|
KvqvUvg Rxeb`w \ w` mvq Ad wjwfs

ck : KvqvUvg Rxeb`w Kx? KvqvUvg Rxeb`w w`q wK RxebK
myì Kiv me?
Di : mdj I cwiZ Rxebi Rb cqvRb c~Yv Rxeb`w|
mgKvjxb gvbyli mgmvUv GLvbB| h hLvb AvQ m gb Ki
Zvi GUv w`qB mewKQyi mgvavb Ki djv hve| hgb, GKRb
GKvDUU gb Kib wnmvewevbB me| GKRb Bwwbqvi gb Kib
chywvbB Avmj| GKRb Wvvi gb Ki Ilya Lj ev Acvikb
Kij me mgmv `~i nq hve| Avevi wcGBPwW Ki Avmvi ci,
GKRb wekwe`vjq wkK gb Kib cw_exi mKj vb Zvi Avq
Pj GmQ|
A_P mewKQy wgwjqB nQ Rxeb| ay nvZ em avb Rc Ki
hw` ckvw cvIqv hZ Zvnj gywb Fwl ìekiv jvKvjq AvmZb
bv, KvR KiZb bv, gvbyli KjvY Kivi K_v fveZb bv| hw` ay
evqvg KiB ckvw cvIqv hZ, Zvnj Mvgvi gZv evqvgexi Pwj-k
eQi eqm wjfvi cP gviv hZb bv| hw` ay A_ ckvw w`Z
cviZv, Zvnj abKzeiì Rxeb GZ Akvw _vKZv bv| ay gbi
vbB hw` ckvw w`Z cviZv, Zvnj gbvwevbxiv AvZnZv
KiZb bv|
KvqvUvg Avmj AvgvìK G K_vB ej| RxebK `LZ ne
cwic~Yfve| mwVK Rxeb`w MnY KiZ ne, Avq KiZ ne
Rxebhvcbi wevb|
Rxebhvcbi wevbw` mvq Ad wjwfs K_vwU GmQ Agi
K_vwkx wjI Ujqi GKwU DwZ _K, hLvb wZwb Gi
cqvRbxqZvK Zzj aiQb Lye myìfve| Most important of all
the sciences one can and must have to learn is the Science
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of Living, so as to do the least evil and the greatest possible

good. A_vr mKj wevbi gvS mePq iZc~Y wevb hv gvbyli
Rvbv cqvRb I Riwi Zv nQ mvq Ad wjwfs hv ej `q

RxebUvK Kxfve myì Kiv hvq, fyj _K Kxfve `~i _vKv hvq,
Avi fvjv ev KjvY KZ ewk Kiv hvq|
ik gbxlx wjI UjqmeKvji miv jLK, wPvwe`, `vkwbK|
weki meKvji miv `kwU eBqi 1g I 3qwU Zvi jLv| RbwQjb
Rwg`vi cwievi, DivwaKvim~ gvwjK nqwQjb Pvi nvRvi GKi
Rwgi| wK mvaviY Rxebhvcb KiZb, ciZb mvaviY KlKì
cvkvK| ag Ges AvavwZKZvq Mfxi vbi KviY Zvi jLvjvZ
dzU DVQ gnr Rxebevai K_v| Aek GRb A_W PvP ZvK
wLag _K ewnvi Ki|
Bmjvgi evcviI wZwb Mfxifve AvMnx wQjb| gZzi mgq Zvi
cKU h eBwU cvIqv hvq, Zv njv w` mwqsm Ad gvnv`GKRb
evOvwj Ave`yj-vn mvnivIqv`xi jLv nv`xm msKjbi GKwU cywKv|
mvq Ad wjwfs cwifvlvwU Avgiv Zvi KvQ _KB cqwQ| wZwb
wbRI ej MQb QvU QvU wKQy RxebvPvii K_v| hgb, ZvovZvwo
NygvZ hvIqv, mKvj IVv, cwiwgZ Avnvi, wbRi KvR wbR Kivi
wkv BZvw`|
KvqvUvg nQ mB mvq Ad wjwfs hv ej `q RxebUvK
Kxfve myì Kiv hvq, fyj _K Kxfve `~i _vKv hvq, cvc KZ Kg
Kiv hvq, Avi fvjv ev KjvY KZ ewk Kiv hvq|
KvqvUvgi wkv G bex-imyjì h wkv, Awj-eyRyMì h
wkv, gywb-Fwlì h wkv, Zv _K Avjv`v wKQy bq| nvRvi eQi
ai Zuviv h wkv w`q GmQb, KvqvUvg m K_vjvB ejQ| ay
fvlvUv AvaywbK|
Avi Gi m~Pbv nq gvbwmK cwZ A_vr `wfwi ga w`q| bexRx
(m) ejQb, Bbvgvj Avgvjy web-wbqvZ| wbqZ mKj Kgi Azi|
ac` AvQwPv ev Awfcvqi cwZdjb NU ^fve ev cKwZZ|
hw` KD g` Awfcvq wbq K_v ej ev KvR Ki `ytL ZvK AbyMgb
Ki| Avi KD hw` mywPv wbq K_v ej ev KvR Ki myL ZvK Qvqvi
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gZv AbymiY Ki| [hgKeM&Mv : 1-2]

A_vr Rxeb`w hw` mwVK nq Zvnj Avcwb myLi c_ AMmi
neb| hw` Rxeb`w wVK bv nq Zvnj Avcwb `ytLi c_ AMmi
neb| KvqvUvg mB wbqZUvK MVb KimB `wfwUvK MVb Ki
hvZ Ki Avcwb RxebK myìfve hvcb KiZ cvib| RxebK
mdj KiZ cvib, Avb`gq KiZ cvib|
AZGe, RxebK Avcwb hLb LwZfve MnY Kieb Rxeb
AvcbvK LwZ mvdj è| Avi hLb cwic~Yic MnY Kieb,
Rxeb AvcbvK cwic~Y mvdj è|
KvqvUvg nQkvkZ agxq PZbvi wbhvm mg cwic~Y Rxeb
wbgvYi cwqv| G PZbvi Avjvq Avgiv wbRiv AvjvwKZ nwQ,
AvjvwKZ KiwQ mvaviY gvbylK|
ck : Avwg Zv AbK wKQy Rvwb| AbK wKQy PvB wK RxebUv myì
nQ bv Kb?
Di : Avmj RxebK myì Kivi Rb ay Z_ h_ bq| Avcwb
AbK wKQy RvbZ cvib| AbK Z_ Avcbvi _vKZ cvi| wK mUv
KLbv Avcbvi RxebK myì KiZ cvie bv hw` m Z_K Avcbvi
Rxeb evevwqZ Kivi cwqv Avcwb bv Rvbb| Z_UvK KvR
jvMvbvi cwqv AvcbvK RvbZ ne|
Kwiqv Av`vq Kwi h, G cwqvUv Avgiv Rvwb| ay e`j hvI
ejj me e`j hvewelqUv Zv GiKg bv| Kxfve e`jvev,
e`jvbvi cwqvUv Zv RvbZ ne| Avgiv G cwqvUv Rvwb| h
KviY Avgvì jvLv Rxeb e`j MQ| ay fvjv K_v coj ne bv,
ay fvjv K_v bj ne bv| ay fvjv K_v ejj ne bv| GUv wbRi
Rxeb cqvM Kivi cwqv AvZ KiZ ne|
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Kb Ubkb
ck : m ev Ubkbi Avmj KvhKviY Kx?
Di : m ev Ubkbi Re-ivmvqwbK KvhKviYwU hw` Avgiv eywS
Zvnj m _K gy _vKvI mnR ne| Avmj euP _vKvi cqvRb
cvYx-`ni GK RweK cwqvi bvg m| Avw`Kvj gvbyl hLb nvq
ev Rj evm KiZv, wnsm R-Rvbvqvi ev ki gvKvejvq GB
m imcB ZvK joZ A_ev cvjvZ kw hvMvZv|
Kx nq GB m imc? Avgiv hLb Kvbv wec` Abyfe Kwi
ZLb nvBcv_vjvgvm bvg ebi GKUv QvU A ivmvqwbK msKZ
cwiZ nq| wm_wUK bvfvm wmg ZLb bvbv aibi m nigvb
Zwi Ki| hgbGwWbvwjb, bvwicvBbdvBb, KwUmj BZvw`| GB
m nigvbjv ZLb ii gvag cevwnZ nq AvgvìK cvwjq
hZ A_ev jovB KiZ mvnvh Ki| ZLb r`b `Z nq Ges
enr cwkjvZ i PjvPj eo hvq| Pvgovi wbP iKwYKvjv
msKzwPZ nq hvZ GwWU nj ewk icvZ bv nq| PvLi gwY eo
nq hvq dj Avgiv fvjv `LZ cvB| e-vWmyMvi eo hvq `n
kwi hvMvb èvi Rb| nRg Ges cRbb gZv nvm cvq| Mv_
nigvb wbtmiY e nq hvq| ivMcwZiva gZv evnZ nq| Avi
GB mejv cwqvB nq hvZ Avgiv Rvi ò cvjvZ cvwi ev
jovB KiZ cvwi|
ck njv, GLb Zv Avi eb R-Rvbvqvi bB, Zvi mv_ jovB
Kiv ev cvjvbviI cqvRb bB| Zvnj GLb Kb Avgiv m
fvivv nB? GLbKvi mi KviY Avcbvi wec` bq, wecì
Kbv; ebi evN bq, gbi evN; eveZv bq, Avcbvi gvbwmKZv|
nqZv Avcbvi evPvwU ek wKQyw`b ai Amy, bvbviKg U KwiqI
wKQy aiv coQ bv| Awdm AvMvgxKvj AwWU wUg Avme wnmec me
wVK AvQ wK bv `Lvi Rb ev mnKgxi mv_ D evK wewbgq
nqQG Aevjvq Avcbvi Kvbv eve wec` bv _vKjI Avcbvi
eb eRB PjQ wbii GK Wvi Gjvg hv Avmj 100%-B djm
Gjvg| KviY Avcbvi ebi mgmv ev mvebv hUvB ejyb Zv njv,
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Zvici hviv weRqx nQ ZvìK wbq wKQyw`b Lye n P nQ|
AvgwiKv, `yevB, BDivc mdi hvQ| wK Zvici? AwaKvskKB
Avi Gici LyuR cvIqv hvq bv| KviY jvBg jvBU _vKvi Rb gavcwZfvi h Abykxjb Zv h_vh_fve bv KiB Zviv kvweR vi nIqvi
gvn Avv nqwQjv| Avi Gì GKUv eo Ask Si cowgwWqvq
wUK _vKvi Rb h Lvjvgjv Rxeb Af nZ nq, MW dv`viì
gbvib KiZ nq Zv KiZ bv ci|
314
ck : wUwfZ ay wmwiqvjB `Lvbv nq bv, `ki wewfb RvqMvq h

Lvivc Leijv nq Zv-I Zv `Lvbv nq|
Di : wgwWqvi KjvY Avgiv weki fvjv-LvivcmeiKg LeivLei
cvwQ, GUv wVK| wK ZvZ wK Avmj Kvbv jvf nqQ; `k eQi
AvMi AcivaceYZvi nvii Zzjbvq GLbKvi nvi eoQ e Kg wb|
wnw` wmbgvq GKmgq Ak-xj `k fviv Awfbq KiZv| KviY
Gme `k bvqK-bvwqKviv Awfbq KiZ PvBZb bv| `kKivI gb
KiZv Gjv Lvivc| wK GLb Avi G gvbwmKZv bB| GLb Ak-xj
`k Awfbq bv Kij LvwZ cvIqvB KwVb|
AbK mgq bvgi KviY Ak-xj wRwbmKI k-xj ej Pvwjq w`Z
Pvb wKQy Mvx| GKevi wmbgv nj GKwU wmbgv GjvWb Ad
Bmjvg| hnZz wmbgvi bvg Bmjvg kwU iqQ, AZGe wmbgv
ii AvM SvocvQ Ki MvjvcRj wQwUq wmbgv njK cvK-cwe
Kiv njv| Zvici wgjv` cwoq i njv wcwgqvi kv| mB wmbgvq
Rvnwj hyMi Kvwnbx eYbvi mgq ZvZ Aa-Dj bZKxì bvP-Mvb
Aejxjvq `Lvbv njv|
GLvb nqZv hyw `qv ne, Kvwnbxi cqvRb| GiKg Kvwnbxi
cqvRb wb`vl `vwe Ki wgwWqvZ Ggb AbK wKQyB `Lvbv nq hv
Ak-xj, DRbv I gvi`vvq ficyi Ges `kKì Ici hvi cfve
wbwl `ki gZvB wZKi|
Ze KD GUv gb Kieb bv h, Avgiv wUwfi wec| Avgiv
memgqB wUwfi c| KviY wUwfZ Ggb AbK wKQyB `Lvbv nq hv
wUwf bv _vKj Avgiv `LZ cviZvg bv| Ze G AvcbvK wbR
_KB GKUv fvimvg Aej^b KiZ ne h, KZUzKz Avcwb `Leb
Ges KZUzKz `Leb bv|
ck : Avgvì evmvi cwZwU gvbyl wUwfi cwZ Avm| Zviv ej
webv`b ev vbvRbi Dcvq njv Uwjwfkb| Avmj wK ZvB?
Di : Avmj GKmgq Avjm ejZ evSvbv nZv AvKvk-Kzmyg Kbv
ev dvjZz AvvevwRK| wK GLb Z_vKw_Z webv`bi bvg Avjm
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Mvm KiQ AvgvìK| Aek Gi GKUv cUf~wgI AvQ|

mfZvi AMMwZi mv_ mv_ gvbyli Ubkb, AwiZv evojI
`wnK cwikgi cwigvY Kg MQ AbK| hgb mvBKji RvqMvq
GmQ gvUi mvBKj ev Mvwo| Mvwoi chywZI NUQ wbZbZzb
DrKl| hgb Mvwo AvM wQjv gvbyqvj, nvZ Nywiq vU w`Z nZv|
GLb cvIqvi wqvwis| AvM Nywiq DBv M-vm IVvZ nZv| GLb
WvBfvi myBP wUcB PviUv M-vm Zzj w`Z cvi| AvMKvi gZv wiqvi
wfD wgii DuwK w`q Avi Mvwoi Aevb `Lvi ìKvi bB, mvgbi
KwDUvi AvBq PvL ivLjB Zv `Lv hvq|
A_vr kvixwiK kgK KZfve Kgvbv hvq m PvB njv wevbi
MelYvi g~j UvMU| AbKUv mgq GZ mvkq nQ| hviv eywgvb
Zviv G mgqUvi menvi KiB wbRi SzwjZ Rgv Kib KxwZi
fvvi| wK hviv AvnvK, MvwjKv cevn Mv fvmvb, Zviv
webv`bi bvg Gme wUwfi duv` AvUKv co hvq|
GUv Kx evcK AvKvi aviY KiQ Zv GKUv cwimsLvb _KB
nq| cw_exi KqKwU `k `kK mvn Mo KZ Nv Ki wUwfi
mvgb KvUvq Zvi GKUv cwimsLvb wbq `Lv MQBsjv mvn
Mo 28 Nv gvbyl wUwfi mvgb KvUvq, AvgwiKvZ 38 Nv Ges
evsjv`k gwnjviv 45 Nv, cyiliv 35 Nv| A_vr evcviUv Ggb
h, Awdm ev KvR _K wdiB Nygvevi AvM ch wUwfi mvgb em
_vKvB Zvì wbZw`bi iwUb|
GB wUwf Pvbjjvi g~j AvKlY Kx? niK iKg wmwiqvj hvi g~j
DcRxe njv Pv loh m Ges fvqvj| ciKxqv Avi
jvUi KvwnbxB me Qovbv| nqZv GK Qj wZb evbi mv_
cg KiQ ev x cg KiQ ^vgxi fvBqi mv_| Avi Avgiv
AvnvKi gZv Gjv `LB fvewQ fvwi vbvRb KiwQ ev webv`b
KiwQ| GRbB wUwfK ejv nq BwWqU e ev AvnvKi ev|
GB AvnvwK h KZUv Zvi GKUv NUbv njvGKevi GK gwnjvK
cvIqv Mj whwb `yivKvZ bvgvR co Avj-vni KvQ `vqv PqQb
GRb h, Kzmygi ^vgx hb gviv bv hvq| GB Kzmyg eve Kvbv
wecb, Amnvq igvsmi bvix bq eis Uwjwfkbi wnw`
gMvwmwiqvji GKwU Pwi| A_vr Avgvì Bev`Z e`wMZI XyK
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MQ GLb GB wUwf bvgK Avjm-Avmw| ay Zv-B bq, GKmgq

gWj ejZ Avgiv gb KiZvg Rxebv`k, A_vr hvK AbymiY Ki
GKRb gvbyl mdjZvi c_ LuyR cZ cvi| wK cwinvm nQ
wgwWqvi KjvY Avgvì ZiY-ZiYx, wKkvi-wKkvixì gWj
GLbKvi kvweR viiv| Giv hv Ki, hv ej mUvKB Giv fve
AvevK| Gi ga Kvbv GKUv mdU wWsKmi wevcb wP Awfbq
KiwQjv GLbKvi `yRb LvwZgvb bvqK-bvwqKv| wevcb `LvwQjv
h, mdU wWsKm LvIqvi Rb Zviv Pzwi KiQ| GUv `L Kx wkLe
Avgvì wkiv, ZiY-ZiYxiv? mdU wWsKm LvIqvi Rb PzwiI Kiv
hvq| dj Gme cfve coQ Avgvì ^fve, Avgvì `wfwZ|
wgwWqvZ gaivZ Aewa G mg bvbviKg mgmv, Pv, DRbvi
Kvwnbx wUwfi c`vq `Lvi ci AePZbfveB Avgiv cfvweZ nq
cwo| AwiZv, DRbv AkvwZ fywM Ges mePq wZM nq
Avgvì Nyg| B`vbxs Kvji Bbmgwbqv ev Nygi mgmvi cavb KviYB
njv Mfxi ivZ ch wUwf `Lvi ceYZv|
ck : AbKY KvRi ci Avgvì webv`bi cqvRb, GZ KvRi
cwZ GKNuqwg `~i nq| Kvw Pj hvq| Avcwb Kx ejb?
Di : webv`bi Rb wUwf wmwiqvjG aviYv fyj| GKgv nvwmi
wmwiqvj Qvov evwK mewKQz Pv loh fvqvj Ges mvmc hv
bvfvm wmgK Ub&mW Ki `q| Gjv w`q webv`b Zv nqB bv,
b nq mgq, DwRZ nq bvf| eis m mgqUzKz Avcwb cwievii mv_
KvUvb, AbK fvjv eva Kieb|
Avi KvRK hw` fvjevmb Zvnj webv`bi Rb Avjv`v mgqi
cqvRb bB| Avwg Avgvi wbRi Rxeb `LwQ, KvRi Pq fvjv
webv`b Avi wKQy nq bv| Avwg Zv KvB nB bv| Kb? KviY Avwg
Avgvi KvRUvK fvjevwm| AvcwbI Avcbvi KvRUvK fvjevmyb|
`Leb AvcbviI Kvbv Kvw bB, GKNqwg bB| hgb, Avgvì
dvDkb KvR i nq mKvj bqUvq| Pj ivZ bqUv, 10Uv, 11Uv
ch| KD Avevi KvR KiZ KiZ `Lv hvq h, AwdmB _K
hvQ| ZviciI Kviv Kvw bB| Kb? KviY GB KvRUv nQ wbRi
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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KjvYi Rb, AvZ Dbqb I mwi mevi Rb|

Avi webv`b aviYvUv cwgvì ev cyuwRev`xì ^v_ nvwmji|
Avcbvi cKU _K cqmv nvwZq bqvi Rb Zviv Z_vKw_Z
webv`bi GB aviYv Zwi KiQ| cwgv `kjvZ mvivw`b mevB
wbRi ^v_ KvR Ki| mLvb Abi I wbRi Rb KjvYKi Kvbv
KvR Zviv Ki bv| wbRi ^v_ KvR KiZ KiZ Zviv Kv nq| mvn
kl mB Kvw gUvevi ARynvZ Zviv gZ IV LiP Avi fvMwejvwmZvi weKwZZ| wK GKRb gvbyl hLb wbRi Ges Abi
KjvY KvR Ki ZLb Zvi Kvw _vK bv| hvi Kvw bB Zvi
Z_vKw_Z webv`biI cqvRb bB|
ck : wUwfi wZKviK w`Ki Zzjbvq DcKvwiZv mvgvb| Avwg MZ 1
mî _K wUwf `Lv GK`g e Ki `qvi cwZv KiwQ Ges
GZ DcKvi cvwQ| GLvb Gm cwZv eRvq ivLvi Rb gb `p
njv| Avkv Kwi KvqvUvg cwievii Abvb m`mivI GB Kvvi
_K wbRì euvPvbvi D`vM beb|
Di : Avmj KLbv extreme point G hveb bv| KviY extreme
wRwbm KLbv sustain Ki bv| Zvi Pq eis Avcwb mi Kib Kx
`Leb, Kx `Leb bv| KvbUv fvjv, KvbUv g` GUv evSvi gZv
eqm, vb meviB AvQ| AZGe Avcwb hv `Lvi Zv-B `Leb, hv
`Lvi bq Zv `Leb bv|
Avmj webv`b KvbUv? GK gIjvbv mvne IqvR KiwQjb| wZwb
ejwQjb, hLb `v` nq ZLb PzjKvwb jvM| PzjKvwbi mgq ek GKUz
Avivg jvM| wK PzjKvwb kl nq MjB Rvjvcvov i nq|
Avgvì Rxeb webv`bi f~wgKvI GiKg| hLb `wL ZLb wKQyUv
Avivg jvM| wK `Lv kl nIqvi mv_ mv_ evivg i nq| Avevi
Rjywb i nq, m, Ubkb i nq| AZGe mwZKvi webv`b nQ
Abi KjvY mgq eq| GZ ckvw Avm `qi Mfxi _K|
ck : mywbw` wKQy KvR hw` Dj-L Ki `b Zvnj Aemi mgq wUwf
bv `L Zv Avgiv KiZ cvwi| gwWUkb Qvov/ mn Abvb wKQy KvR|
318
Di : Avcwb hw` ckvRxex nq _vKb Zvnj Awdm _K evmvq Gm

Avcbvi KZe nQ cwievi mgq `qv| cwievii m`mì wRm
Kib, K Kgb AvQ| Avcwb hw` Nii KZv nb Nii mevi LuvR
wbb| gv_vq GKUz nvZ evjvbevev Kgb AvQv Zzwg? mvaviYZ
GLbKvi eveviv Ni Gm x-mvbK Lye GKUv mgq `b bv| Ni
Gm GKUz dk nqB nqZv wUwf wbq em cob|
Avevi AbK xiI mgq bB nvRei mv_ K_v ejvi| nqZv
cQì Kvbv wmwiqvj `L Nvi ci Nv KvwUq w`Qb| GUv Zv
bkv, Avmw| AZGe wbRi mvbi Lei wbb| Gici mgq _vKj
AviKRb MvRyqUi Lei wbb| m gwWUkb KiQ wK bv Lei wbb|
gvwUi evsK Rgv w`qQ wK bv Lei wbb| AgyK i`vZv i w`qQ wK
bv Lei wbb| wbRi hvMZv I `Zv evovbvi Rb cqvRbxq KvR
Kib| GKwU bZzb fvlv wkLyb| AviKRbK AvjvwKZ Kivi Rb
KvqvUvgi evYx Zvi KvQ cuQ w`b|
AZGe KjvYg~jK KvR Avcwb mgqjvK eq Kib| `Leb,
Avcwb GKNqwgZ Avv nQb bv| Avgiv mKvj _K ivZ
Nygvbvi AvM ch KvRB Kwi| Avgiv wK GKNqwgZ fywM bv|
KviY, GK Zv nQ fvjem KvR Kwi| Avi `yBewPgq KvR Kwi|
GK KvR hw` gb nq AbKw`b mgq w`qwQ ZLb Ab KvR Kwi|
ck : Avwg wZbw`b 30 wgwbU wmwiqvj `wL| hLbB coZ ewm
wmwiqvji K_v gb co| wmwiqvjwU bv `Lvi Pv KiwQ wK cvwi
bv| GLb Avwg Kx Kiev?
Di : Lye mnR| hLb wmwiqvj Pje ZLb gwWUkb em hvb| ZLb
gb wmwiqvji wPvB Avi Avme bv|
ck : wmwiqvj _K cyivcywi gy nqwQ Kvm Ki| wK GLb Avgvi
gv-evbiv wmwiqvji cQb jM AvQ| hv `L Avgvi K jvM|
AbK eywSqI G _K weiZ ivLv me nQ bv| Avcbvi K_vgZv
GLb PzcPvc _vwK| wK Avgvi Lye K jvM h, Zviv w`b w`b asmi
c_ avweZ nQ| Avgvi K, gb Lvivc Kx Ki `~i KiZ cvwi?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Di : Avcbvi cwievii jvKiv Avcbvi K_v bQ bv GUv wbq gb

Lvivc Kivi wKQy bB| Avcbvi K_v kvbvi Rb nvRvi nvRvi cwievi
AvQ| cwievii evBi ewiq cob| Abì Dy Kib| Zviv
Avcbvi K_v be| Avi hLbB gwWUkb Kib Kgv mUvi
cwievii jvKì wbq Avmyb| ggZv w`q Zvì evSvb| mgq
jvMZ cvi wK KD bv KD eySeB|
ck : wUwf Avmw _K euvPvi Rb AvRK mKvjB Avgvi evmvi
wWki jvBb Lyj djwQ|
Di : Lyj djQb fvjv| Lyj djvUvB wK mgmvi mgvavb bv|
GUv Lyj djZI mgq jvM bv| Avevi jvMvZI mgq jvM bv|
Avcbvi gbK wbqY KiZ ne| wWki jvBb _vKe wK Avcwb
`Leb bv| Avcbvi Kvbv AvMn ne bv|
Kxfve? hZ gwWUkb Kieb, hZ AUvmvRkb èb, gbQwe
`Leb Ges Rxebi jK hZ mvgb ivLeb, ZZ Avcbvi mgq
mPZbZv evoe| h, Avgvi GB h mgqUzKz, GB mgqUzKz AcPq Kivi
Avgvi myhvM AvQ wK bv? GB mgqi KvQ _K Avwg jvfevb nwQ wK
bv? GUv nQ Lye iZc~Y|
ck : Avgvi wUwf wmwiqvj `Lvi bkv AvQ| Avwg Kxfve GUvK `~i
KiZ cvwi?
Di : c_gB wPv Kib h, wmwiqvj `L wK Avcbvi Zw nQ? GB
wmwiqvjjvi cwZUv ceK Ggbfve kl Kiv nq h, Avcwb Gici
Kx ne GUv wbq wPv bv Ki cvieb bv| Ggb RvqMvq GUv kl ne
h, gijvI bv, euvPjvI bv| giv-euvPvi gvSvgvwS SzjQ| biKI hve
bv ^MI hve bv| gvSLvb Szj AvQ Ges AvcwbI Szj AvQb| HUv
wbq wPv KiZ _vKb| wPv Avi gy nZ cviQ bv, ^Q nZ cviQ
bv| ay H mgqUzKzB bq, ci w`b Avmvi AvM ch|
Gjv AvgvìK GgbfveB gvnv Ki iLQ h, Gme
wmwiqvj GKKUv nvRvi L njI, cwZw`b `LvjI Avgvì `Lvi
320
Kvbv Kvw bB| hLbB gb nQ Gjv `Lvq Kvw Avme, mv_

mv_ Ad, bZzb wmwiqvj Avevi Pvjy nQ| bZzb wmwiqvjI cyibv
wRwbm| ay Pnviv Avjv`v, WvqvjM GK| Ges hKvbv wmwiqvj
`Lj evSv hvq Gici Kx ne| Avcbviv AbKB eySZ cvib
Gici Kx ne| ZviciI `LQb| hZ `LQb, wbRi ARvB
vqyK Aemb KiQb|
Avmj Avcbvi wPvi gyw, Avcbvi cvi c_i GKUv eo Aivq
nQ GB wUwf Avmw|
KwiqvUbkbi mgvavb
ck : Avgvi mewKQyZB Ubkb| GgbwK Kvbvw`b Ubkb bv nj gb
nq Kb Ubkb njv bv| ckvw K_vUv ejZ PvB| wK Kgb hb
LUgU jvM| memgq gvbwmK A^wZ fywM|
Di : Avmj gvbyl hLb GKwU avivq Af nq hvq mUv fvjv
Afvm ev e`fvm nvK, KjvYKi ev AKjvYKi nvKZvi ebi
KgKvVvgv ZLb m AbymviB KvR KiZ _vK| AbwKQy ev bZzb
wKQyK m mnR MnY KiZ cvi bv| Gi Rb Avgvì `wfwK
e`jvZ ne|
Avcwb fe `Lyb, Ubkb Ki Avcbvi wK Kvbv jvf nqQ?
mgmvi wK mgvavb cqQb? cvb wb| KviY Ubkb mgmvK evovq e
Kgvq bv| Avi hZ Ubkb Kieb ZZ Zv evoZB _vKe| GRb
hLbB Kvbv KvR bv _vK ZLbB gb gb ejyb, my `n ckv gb
Kge myLx Rxeb| cwZw`b Kgc kZevi DPviY Kib| `Leb
Avcbvi Ubkb Pj MQ|
ck : cvwicvwkK bwZevPK cfve ev evBii K_v, Afve-AwfhvM
_K wbRK gy ivLZ PvBjI evi evi ZvZ cfvweZ nB|
gwWUkb Ki wKQyY fvjv _vKjI Aveviv Avv nB `ytLnZvkvq| Kxfve G mgmv _K gyw cvev?
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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321
Di : memgq ejeb, kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn/ nwi Ig/ _vsKm& MW

ev cfy abev`, ek fvjv AvwQ| A_vr memgq KZ _vKeb, mvK
Kwiqv Rvbveb fvjv ivLvi Rb, my ivLvi Rb| KviY Avcwb hZ
LvivcB _vKzb bv Kb memgq gb ivLeb Avcbvi Pq Lvivc Aevq
KD AvQ|
A_vr mv hZUzKz w`qQb mUvi Rb Zuvi KvQ Kwiqv vcb
Ges Zvici wZwb hvZ Aviv `b mRb Zuvi KvQ cv_bv KivGUvB
nQ mdj Rxebi `wfw|
Avi mB m KvR Wye hvb| KviY, mgq Ges KvRi hvMdjB
Rxeb| Avi Ajm gw njv mg bwZevPK wPvi AvLov| hviv e,
GKi ci GK KvR wbRì wbqvwRZ ivLb Zvì Rxeb nZvkv ev
welYZv _vK bv| mnR `ytL-K AvQb nb bv| ZvB wbqwgZ `yejv
gwWUkb Kib Avi hZUv ewk mgq me MVbg~jK KvR wbRK
e ivLvi Pv Kib|
ck : Pvicvk Ubkb| GZ cwZKj cwiek wK Avgvì c
memgq ckv _vKv me?
Di : Avcwb hw` kvKiMvRvi nb Zvnj ckv _vKZ cvieb|
Pvicvk Ubkbi eo KviY mvivY bvB bvB gbvfve| 30 eQi
AvM Kviv gvevBj wQjv bv| GLb Ni Ni gvevBj, mevB mevi
mv_ hvMvhvM KiZ cviQ, LuvR-Lei wbZ cviQ, ZvZ bvB bvB
fveUv Aviv eoQ e Kg wb| hv AvQ Zv wbq kvKiMvRvi _vKzb,
hv bB Zvi Rb gbQwe Kib|
mKvjejv Nyg fvOZB ejyb, kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn! cfy ZvgvK
abev` myì GKUv w`bi Rb| hLbB mgq cvb AUvmvRkb
w`bmy `n ckv gb Kge myLx Rxeb| `Leb Avcbvi Rxeb
ckvwgq nq DVQ|
ck : Avgvi mgmv nQ, KvbvwKQyZB cyivcywi m nZ cvwi bv|
Kwiqv Av`vq Kwi, wK gb nq Abì Zzjbvq wKQyB Kwi wb| GB
Amw _K nxbbZvI Avm| Zvnj Kxfve kvKiMvRvi nev?
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Di : mwZKvi Kwiqv njv, h mvdj ev ARbi Rb GB Kwiqv

mB KvRUvK Aviv evwoq `qv| hgb Avgvì KvqvUvg g_W
Kvm hLb kZZg evP mb Kijv, Zvi Kwiqv wnme cieZx 30
w`b Avgiv mviv`k PviwU Kvm, wZbwU IqvKkc Kijvg|
150 Zg Kvm _K Avgiv GKUvbv Pvi w`bi Kvm i Kijvg|
Avi Gi dj MZ eQijvZ Avgiv AbK ewk Kvm Ges Abvb
cvMvg Kivi myhvM cqwQ| GLbI dvDkbi KgcwZi w`K
ZvKvj `Leb, GKi ci GK Kvhg AvmQ| Kvbv mvdj ev
ARbi Avb`K dvDkb DcfvM KiQ AviKwU bZzb KvRi
Pvj MnY Kivi ga w`q|
KvRB Abì fvjv KiZ `L nZvk ev nxbb nIqvi
cqvRb bB| Avcwb Avcbvi KvRUvKB Aviv evwoq w`b, wbZ bZzb
Pvj I D`vM MnY Kib| Avcwb kvKiMvRvi I Avb`gq
Rxebi AwaKvix nZ cvieb|
ck : Avwg cvwicvwkK bwZevPK cfve ev evBii K_v, Afve-AwfhvM
_K wbRK, wbRi gbK gy ivLZ PvB wK cviwQ bv| wKQyY
fvjv _vwK Gici Avevi Hme K_v Avgvi gv_vq Avm| Avgvi gb Lye
Lvivc _vK| gwWUkb Ki GUv `~i KiZ Pv KiwQ| wKQyY ci
Avevi Avv nB `ytL-nZvkv viv| Avwg avbi i cuQvZ cviwQ
bv| Gme mgmv _K Kxfve gy nZ cvwi?
Di : AvcbvK memgq ejZ ne, Avwg fvjv AvwQ| kvKi
Avjnvg`ywjj-vn, Avwg fvjv AvwQ ev mbvZb agvje^x nj ejeb, nwi
Ig ev Ckii Kcvq Avwg fvjv AvwQ| Lye fvjv AvwQ|
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cwZev` AvcwbI hw` Lvivc eenvi Kib ev ivMvivwM Kib Zvnj
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w`q KLbv Abvqi cwZKvi Kiv hvq bv|
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KiQb, Zvì KjvYi Rb cv_bv KiQb| Abi DcvmK Mvwj
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memgq gb ivLZ ne h, iM Mjvg Zv ni Mjvg| KviY
hyM hyM `k `k h ew ev RvwZ iM MQ ZvivB civwRZ
nqQ| hviv Vvv gv_vq KvR KiQ ZvivB Rqx nqQ|
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ivMi KviY hLb NU, ZLb mewKQy fyj hvB| va Db nq Ggb
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gv_vq Ggb K_v ej djb h, 20 eQii mK GKUv K_vq b
nq hvq| GgbwK ivMi KviY ckvi nvB nq iZi Amy ev gZz
nZ cvi|
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hvQb ej gb nQ, GK gyn~Z _g j^v GKUv `g wbq KvqvUv
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mevg KiYxq Kx? KviY hviv wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kib, KvqvUv
fwi mv_ Avjdv jfj ev ckv Aev Abyfe KivUv Zvì
Kwkwbs nq hvq| dj `Leb PgrKvifve Avcwb H cwiwwZK
gvKvejv KiZ cviQb|
Avi h AvcbvK ivMvZ PqwQjv m wewZ nq hve h, GUv Kx
njv! Avwg Zv PvwQjvg Zvi mv_ SMov KiZ, GLb `wL Dv Zvi
K_vB AvgvK bZ nQ| KviY hLb Avcwb iM K_v ejb, ZLb
m K_vi Kvbv cfve kvZvi Ici co bv| Zvi Ici ZLbB cfve
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nQ Avcbvi gn|
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cwiwwZI m K_vB gb Kwiq `q| 2001 mvji 11 mî gvwKb
hyivi UzBb UvIqvi asmi `ytLRbK NUbvi ci wek h DRbv
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Pnviv KZ Avjv`v| va Db GKUv `vbei gZv Ggb wnsm Ges
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`Leb h, cwZv Ki djQb, fwelZ Avi KLbv iM wMq H
Pnvivi cybivew Kiev bv| cqvRb evi evi H ivMvw^Z KzrwmZ
Pnviv `Lyb| ivM-vagy nIqvi GUv GKUv KvhKi cwZ|
ck : Avgvi GKwU e`fvm nQ Avwg ivMi gv_vq AbK wKQyB ej
dwj| ci AbyZ nB| wK hvìK ejwQjvg cieZxZ Zvì
vf wel ev cwZkvacivqYZvi wkKvi nB|
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vf-welK DmK w`qQb| m-Zv KUz K_vUvB gb ivLe, Avcwb
Kx cwZ ejQb mUv bq| Avmj GUvB cvmemgq gv_v Vvv
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iL K_v, KvR I AvPiYi cwZ iZ `qv| KLbv Ggb wKQy ejv ev

Kiv DwPZ bq hvi Rb ci `ytL cKvk KiZ eva nZ nq| Gi
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cvib| Avi mePq KvhKi njv AvZchvjvPbv|
cwZw`b hw` w`bi K_v, KvR I AvPiYjv wbq GKUz wPv Kib,
wbRB wbRK ejZ cvibKb GUv KiQb; GUv bv Ki ev Gfve
bv Ki Avi Kx Kx fve KiZ cviZb, `Leb Avcbvi fyji cwigvY
Kg AvmQ| Avcwb AbK mshZ, mnbkxj Ges cvc~Y AvPiY KiZ
cviQb| wbRK wbq ZLb Avcwb Z nZ cvieb|
Avi gyn~Zi G ivM ev va _K gywi Rb KqKwU UKwbK
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ivLyb| ci hLb ivM AvmZ be ZLb QweUv ei Ki `Lyb| KviY
iM wMq Avcwb cwiwwZK RwUj KiZ cvieb| wK cwiwwZK
gvKvejv KiZ cvieb bv|
Ze hw` KLbv ivMi fvb KiZ nq mUv Avjv`v| ivMi fvb
Avjdv jfj KiZ nq| ivMi fvb Ges ivMi ga ZdvZ nQ
ivM Mvgv jfj Ges ivMi fvb Avjdv jfj| ZLb Avcbvi fyj
Kivi mvebv _vKe bv| Ze GB fvbUvI hb AUvgkb bv nq hvq|
KviY Zvnj Avcwb fyj Kieb| AZGe ivM Kieb bv Avi ivMi fvb
hZ bv Kib, ZZ fvjv|
ck : cv-GKwUf _vKj ^vgx gb Ki Avgvi `yejZv| Qj-gqivI
AvgvK iZnxb fve| wK gyLiv nj mevi KvQ _K `vg hgb
cvB, ^vgxI wVKgZv mewKQy `q| Zvnj Avgvi KiYxq Kx? we`k
hvIqvi wfmv nq MQ| hZ 75 nvRvi UvKv jvMe| ^vgxK GK
gvm ai axi-wi ivwR KivZ PvBwQ| wK Dwb Avgvi kv wi
AevK fq cvb| fveb AveviI UvKv PvBe| Gw`K hw` ivMvivwM
Kwi Zvnj Qj wUKU Ki è| G Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avmj Avcbvi welqUv GKeviB Avjv`v| cvwievwiK Rxeb
^vgx-x ev Qj-gqi gaKvi mK h wbR^ GKUv aib _vK
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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GUv ZviB GKUv D`vniY| A_vr Avcbvi ivM ev ivMi fvb

Kij ^vgx ev Qji KvQ Avcwb iZ cvb Ges Zviv Avcbvi Pvwn`v
c~iY D`vMx nq|
Ze gb ivLeb, ivMi fvb memgq Avjdv jfj Kieb|
cwiwwZK wbqY Avbvi Rb Avcbvi hnZz GUv KvR KiQ
mUv Avjv`v welq| wK G cwqv h mevi B KvR Kie Zv bq|
KviY ivM Kij KD nvi ^xKvi Ki wbZ cvi, KD Avevi Aviv
iM hZ cvi|
Avi ivMi Awfbq Ki KvbvwKQy Av`vq Kivi memgq
mZK _vKeb| KviY GUv nQ GKaibi Bgvkbvj e-vKgBj|
Avcwb h ivMi Awfbq KiQb m Zv eySZ cvi wb| m feQ
Avcwb nqZv mwZB iM MQb| Ges m nQ Ggb GKRb h
Bgvkbvwj Avcbvi cwZ `yej, Avcbvi ivM ZvK K `q, DwM Ki|
Avcwb Zvi GB `yejZviB myhvM wbQb|
memgqB hw` Zv KiZ hvb Zvnj Zvi GB AveM nqZv bI nq
hZ cvi| Avi gb ivLeb, cKwZ Lye wbgg cwZkva MnYKvix|
Avcwb myhvM beb AvRK, Abw`b GB myhvM Avcbvi Ici KD bv
KD beB|
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wKQy cvIqvi Rb| KviY ei PqI iZc~Y njv gvbyl Ges gvbyli
ga mK|
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Aceenvi Ki, ZLb Gi cwZKvi Kx? hgb, KvRi eyqv/ WvBfvi
mgqgZv bv Avmvq KvR hZ `wi njv| wK wKQy ejjvg bv| `Lv
Mj, AveviI m Zv-B KiQ| A_P h gvwjKiv ivMvivwM wPrKviPuvPvgwP Ki, Zvì K_v wVKB bQ| cvqB evPviv evmvq GZ wei
Ges fvsPzi Ki h, ivMK wbqY Kiv hvq bv| Avevi wbR kv
_vKjI Abì ev ^vgxi PuvPvgwPZ Nii cwiek wVKB fvix nq
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cvwi bv| Gme KiYxq Kx?
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Di : c_gZ, eyqv/ WvBfvii mv_ PuvPvgwP Ki jvf bB| KviY

eKvewK bB Zviv Af| G Avcwb Ab Kkj Aej^b KiZ
cvib| hgb, WvBfvi K_v bQ bv| ivMvivwM bv Ki kvfve ZvK
ejyb, `L, Gici hw` GB KvRUv fyj Ki Zvnj Zvgvi eZb _K
GB UvKvUv KvUv hve| ev m `wi Ki AvmQ| GKw`b `wi Kij
Zvi w`bi eZb _K GK-PZz_vsk KvUzb| AviKw`b `wi Kij
AveviI GK PZz_vsk| GiciI hw` `wi Ki, Zvnj QywU w`q w`b
h, mw`b Avi Zvi KvR Kivi ìKvi bB| `Leb `wi Ki Avmv
e nq MQ|
Awdm Aaxbì evcviI hUv KiZ cvib, KD fyj Kij,
Abvq Kij ZvK kv-KR Kib| KviY GKRb wcqbi mv_ wPrKvi
Kij GKw`K Avcbvi ckvw b ne| Abw`K mUv Lye KvhKix
bv-I nZ cvi| `Lv hve, m AveviI nqZv GKB fyj KiQ|
GLvb AvcbvK mB c`c wbZ ne hv ZvK kvaivZ cvie|
wZxqZ, evPvK wbq h mgmvi K_v ejjb, Gi g~j iqQ
Avgvì GLbKvi GK ev `yB mvbKw`K cwievieevi cfve| gvevevi ckq Ges Avnvì cyivUvB Lye mnR cq hvIqvi dj Gì
AbKB nq IV fxlY Rw`, GKuq Avi Aeva| KviY Avi Kvbv
fvB-evb bv _vKvq m h gv-evevi mvb evrmji GKgv m^j GUv
m evS Ges Gi myhvMI m bq AwaKvsk |
AZGe mvbK ay Avì bq, kvmbI ivLeb Ges fyj/ Abvq
Kij ZvK kvw cZ èb| G wPrKvi-PuvPvgwP ev eKvewK
bv Ki Vvv gv_vq ZvK awiq èb h, Zvi H Abvqi Rb G
kvw cZ nQ ZvK| Avevi myhvMgZv AvìI Kieb, cksmv Ki
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kvmbi ga GKUv evj| mB mv_ mvbK GUv eySZ èb h,
m-B Avcbvi Avkv-fimv-AveM-wbfiZvi GKgv DrmGUv Avcwb
gb Kib bv| Avi mZI Zv-B| KviY gv-evev wnme mvbK
GKRb mr gvbyl, Abb gvbyl wnme Mo ZvjvB Avcbvi `vwqZ| Gi
evBi Avcbvì Rxeb I Kg Avjv`v Avjv`v| mLvb KD Kviv
Rb `vqx bq| cw_exZ Avcwb hgb GKv GmQb, GKv Pj hveb,
m-I Zgwb GKv GmQ Ges GKv Pj hve|
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Avi Avcbvi cki kl AskA_vr KvqvUv awb KiI cwiwwZ

kv KiZ cviQb bv| G gb ivLZ ne, KvqvUv awb g~jZ
wbRK kv ivLvi Rb| A_vr DRbvKi cwiwwZ hb Avcbvi
DRbvi KviY Aviv RwUj bv nq mUvK wbqYi Rb| KviY
Avcwb hw` kv bv _vKb, cv-GKwUf bv _vKbAvcwb KLbv
cwiwwZK wbqY KiZ cvieb bv| GgbwK ^vgxi PuvPvgwPi gyLI
Avcbvi ckvwPZv KvR è| Avi ZvK Kgv mUvi Gb
evSvZ ne ggZv w`q, fvjevmv w`q|
ck : AvgvK hviv K w`qQ Zvì Ici Avgvi AbK ivM| Zvì
mv_ Kx iKg eenvi Kiv hvq?
Di : hviv K w`qQ Zvì cwZ GB ivM-vf ev cwZkvanv
Zvì hZUv bv wZ KiQ Zvi Pq ewk wZ KiQ Avcbvi|
gvbwmK ay bq, kvixwiKI| mvcwZK MelYvq `Lv MQ, hvì
ivM-vf ewk Zvì nvU GUvK nIqvi SuywK Abì Pq ewk|
AviKwU MelYvq Abì cwZ wel ev cwZkvacivqY gbvfve hviv
cvlY Kib Zvì ìvM Avv nIqvi GwU wmMviU,
gv`K, Kvjij ev AwZwi IRbi gZvB SuywKc~Y ej cgvwYZ
nqQ| GQvov ivM gvK Ges cwicvKZi RbI wZKi Ges
gv^q Zv Avjmvii ic wbZ cvi| GgbwK e`gRvRx Ges ivMvfceY gvbylì cieZx Rxeb Kvvi Avv nIqvi
hvMm~I LuyR cqQb wevbxiv|
Avi GB ivM-vfi mePq wZKi cfve co cvi Ici A_vr
^Zt~Zfve mwVK mgq mwVK wmv bqvi Ici| A_vr Avcbvi
ivM-vf hw` ewk _vK, cwZwnsmv hw` ewk _vK, Zvnj Avcwb
^Zt~Zfve mwVK wmv wbZ cvieb bv|
aib, GKUv wUbi Ni| ZvZ GKUv wQ` AvQ| wQ` w`q evBii
Avjv AvmQ| wQ` _K Avcwb hZ `~i _vKeb, evBii Avjv ZZ
Kg cveb| wK Avcwb hw` H wQÙvi mv_ PvL jvMvZ cvib,
Zvnj evBii cw_exUvK AbK ewk `LZ cveb|
ivM Ges vf Kx Ki? H h wQ` w`q Avjv XyKQ, h wQ` w`q
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Avcwb evBii cw_exK `LZ cviZb, ivM Ges vf G wQ` _K

AvcbvK `~i mwiq `q| Avi hLb Avcwb ckv nb, AvZwbgM nb
ZLb H wQì KvQ hZ _vKb|
ck : Avwg gvUvgywU cvq mevevq ivM wbqY KiZ cvwi, wK KD
wekl Ki ay ay Acgvb Kij mn KiZ cvwi bv| fqven iM
hvB| Avgvi ck njv, ivM wK mevevq cwiZvR? AcgvwbZ njI?
AvZmvb wK AZ iZc~Y welq bq? GB evcvi `qv Ki GKUz
AvjvKcvZ Kib|
Di : AvcbvK Kviv c AcgvwbZ Kiv me bq hw` Avcwb wbR
AcgvwbZ eva bv Kib| Avi ZLbB Avcwb AcgvwbZ eva Kieb
hLb Avmj Avcbvi AvZmvbeva ej wKQy bB|
Avcwb `LybbexRx (m)-Gi c_i Ici KuvUv wewQq ivLv nqQ|
Kvev kixd hLb wZwb bvgvR ùvovZb, bvwo-fuywo Gb me Zuvi gv_vi
Ici djv nZv| Ggb Kvbv Mvwj-MvjvR wQjv bv hv ZvK Kiv nq
wb| Zvqd ZuvK cv_ii ci cv_i gi iv Kiv nqQ, wZwb
AcgvwbZ eva Kib wb| KviY Zuvi AvZmvbeva cej wQjv|
h Acgvb eva Ki, Zvi Avmj Kvbv AvZmvbeva bB|
AviKRb Mvwj w`jB Avcwb AcgvwbZ njb bv| Mvwj w`qQ m, gyL
Lvivc KiQ m| GUv Zvi mgmv| Avcbvi bq|
memgq gb ivLeb mvbUv Avcbvi wbRi, AviKRb hv Ko
wbZ cvi, Zv wK Avcbvi? mUv Avcbvi bq| AZGe Kviv mvb
KD KLbv Ko wbZ cvi bv| KvDK KD AcgvwbZ KiZ cvi
bv, hZY ch m wbR AcgvwbZ eva bv Ki| Zv m MvwjMvjvR,
Akve K_v ev AcgvbKi K_vhv-B nvK| hgb, GKUv KzKyi Gm
ND ND Kij Avcwb wK AcgvwbZ nb? Zvnj AviKRb wPj-vwPwjKij Avcwb Kb AcgvwbZ neb?
GLb _K gb ivLeb, GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU KLbv
AcgvwbZ eva Ki bv| KviY m memgq mZ-bvqi c_ PjZ Pvq|
m memgq Abi KjvY Ki, Abi DcKvi Ki Ges mwVK wbqZ
wbq mwVK KvRUv Ki| AZGe AcgvwbZ eva Kivi wKQy bB|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ck : Rxeb ìKvi Rq, ivMK KiZ PvB Rq, wK evi evi nq hvq
civRq, Kxfve cvev Rq? ej w`j gb cvev Afq|
Di : wbqwgZ myLx Rxebi gwWUkb Kieb Avi Avcbvi Pvicvk
wKvi jvwMq ivLeb Ges wbRi Avqbvi mvgb wKviUv fvjv Ki
jvwMq ivLeb, hLbB Pnviv `LZ PvBeb hb iM Mjb Zv
ni Mjb gb nq|
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Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
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cwZevi ivMi Rb 100 UvKv gvwUi evsK ivLeb| Qq gvm ivLyb|
`Lyb ivM KxiKg Kg hvq| UvKvi gvqv eo gvqv, UvKv hw` ivM
Kgvbvi cQb eq KiZ nq, ivM GgwbZB _vKe bv|
ck : ivMi Kx gvUI cqvRb bB? hw` _vK Ze Kvb Kvb ?
Di : ivM Avmj cZKUv wZKi| hw` ejb, AbvqKvixi
wei? AbvqKvixi wei ivM bq, Abvqi cwZKvi KiZ ne|
Avi mUvI KiZ ne Vvv gv_vq| ebUvK KvR jvMveb| cwZKvi
Kivi Rb kw, hvMZv ARb Kieb|
ck : Avwg hLvb AcgvwbZ, cZvwiZ nB mLvbI wK ivM `gb
Kiev| gv Ki w`j wK AvgviB wZ ne bv? m Zv Avevi GKB
KvR KiZ cvi|
Di : Acgvbi Kx AvQ! Avcwb wbR AcgvwbZ nZ bv PvBj KD
Acgvb KiZ cvie bv|
Avi cZvwiZAvcwb hw` gb Kib KD AvcbvK cZvwiZ
KiQ Avcwb Zvi wei AvBbvbyM eev wbZ cvib| GUv Avcbvi
AwaKvi| Vvv gv_vq Zvi wei AvBbvbyM eev wbb| wK ivM KivUv
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Avcbvi Rb wZKi| KviY cZvwiZ hv nIqvi Zv nq MQb| GLb

Avcbvi ivM AvcbvKB wZM Kie| mUv wbq hZ Avdmvm
Kieb Avcwb ZZ wcwQq hveb|
ck : Avwg GKRb exgv cwZwbwa| AvgvK cwZw`b Abi mv_ mvvr
KiZ nq| hviv AbKB AcwiwPZ| Avwg hLb ZvìK wewfb c-vb
evSvB, Zviv wewfb iKg bwZevPK ge Ki| dj Kvvwbi kZ
evSvZ A_ev ZvìK evSvZ AvgvK Kî evwoq K_v ejZ
nq| GUv ZLb Mvgv jfj njv wK bv RvbZ PvB|
Di : Avmj Kî evwoq KvDK evSvbv hvq bv| Kî evwoq
Avcwb AviKRbK Pzc Kwiq w`Z cvib, evSvZ cvieb bv|
evSvZ Mj KîK Aviv bvgvZ ne| hZ Kî bvgveb, ZZ
K_vUv Zvi fZi XyKe|
Avi Kî evovj K_vUv Zvi Kvb XyKe, fZi bq| AZGe
hKvbv wKQy evSvbvi mgq Kî evoveb bv| GKRb exgv
cwZwbwa wnme AviKRbK evSvbvi Rb AvcbvK Aviv Kzkjx,
Aviv gvjvqg Ges ahkxj nZ ne| KviY AviKRbi cKU _K
cqmv ei Kiv Lye KwVb| hvK evSvZ PvQb Zvi mv_ Kî hZ
gvjvqg Kieb, ZZ Zvi cKU _K Avcwb cqmvUv ei KiZ
cvieb| Kî Povj Avi ZvK evSvZ cvieb bv| m evSvi fvb
Kie wK Avcwb hv KiZ PvQb m KvR m mvq è bv| AZGe,
Kî memgq gvjvqg Kieb|
Avi hvK evSvZ Pvb Zvi KvQ _K bZ ne ewk| Avcwb Lye
Kg ejeb| gvS gvS ay ejZ cvib h nuv Avcbvi K_vq hyw
AvQ eU| Gfve ejZ ejZ ZvK Kv nq hZ w`b| hLb Zvi
Avi wKQz ejvi bB ZLb Avcwb ejyb, Avcbvi K_vq hyw AvQ eU;
wK GB GB evcvijv wbqI fveZ cvib| Gmgq Avcwb Zvi `yej
Kvbv cqU ai ejvi Pv Kib| KviY cZKiB GKUv `yej
RvqMv AvQ| m cqU ai hw` ZvK ejb, Zvnj Avcwb ZvK
evSvZ cvieb| ZvK ejvi myhvM ewk èb| Zvnj Avcwb ZvK
evSvZ cvieb|
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ck : mvb hw` fyj Ki m ivM Kiv wK gv-evevi Rb Aciva?

Di : ivM cZKi RbB wZKi| mvb hw` fyj Ki Ges eqm
_vK Zvnj kvmb KiZ cvib| kvmb Kiv Avi ivM Kiv GK wRwbm
bq| ZvK evSvZ cvib ev kfveI ejZ cvib| wK Vvv gv_vq
ggZvi mv_| Avi mvbi hw` kvmbi eqm cwiq hvq, Zvnj Zv
gv wnme AvcbvK eySZ ne, mvbK Avcwb Kxfve kvmb Kieb|
GKevi GK gv Gm ejjb, Zvi Qj Zvi Mvq nvZ ZzjQ| Avwg
wRm Kijvg, Avcbvi Qji eqm KZ| gv ejjb, 28 eQi|
Avwg AveviI wRm Kijvg, Avcwb Kx KiZ wMqwQjb? gv
ejjb, Avwg ZvK gviZ wMqwQjvg|
ZLb ZvK ejjvg, GUv Zv Avcwb fyj KiQb| 28 eQi eqmx
QjK Avcwb gi kvmb KiZ MQb, QvUejv _K ZvK Avcwb
eoì gvbZ kLvb wb| dj hv nevi Zv-B nqQ| Avcwb ivMi
gv_vq gviZ MQb, QjI ivMi gv_vq Avcbvi nvZ ai avv
w`qQ| wbtm`n Qj Abvq KiQ, gv hv-B Kib| wK gv wnme
AvcbvK Zv eySZ ne KZ`~i Avcwb hZ cvib|
Avevi gv hw` nb Awef fviZi ^vaxbZv Av`vjbi bZv
gIjvbv gvnv` Avjx Ges gIjvbv kIKZ Avjxi gv we Avw eMgi
gZv, Zvnj wfb K_v| LjvdZ Av`vjbi bZZ `qvi mgq
ewUkweivax ee `qvi Rb `yfvB hLb MdZvi njb, ZLb BsiR
miKvi RjLvbvq Zvì KvQ cve cvVvjv h, miKvii weivwaZv
Kie bv G gg gyPjKv w`j ZvìK gyw `qv ne| G K_v hLb
Zvì gv we Avw eMgi Kvb Mj wZwb Pj Mjb KvivMvi|
Qjì mv_ `Lv Ki ejjb, Avwg hv bwQ GiKg Kvbv gyPjKv
w`q hw` Zvgiv BsiRì mv_ Avcm Ki Zvnj Avwg Zvgvì gv
we Avw eMg ejwQ, Avwg wbR nvZ Zvgvì Mjv wUc nZv Kiev|
GLb Avcwb AveMekZ 28 eQii QjKh wK bv WvM GwWW
nq MQZvK gviZ hveb, Avi Qj PzcPvc ùvwoq Avcbvi gvi
Lve Zv-Zv ne bv| ZvK QvUejv _KB kvmb KiZ nZv| wK
kvmb KLb Kieb, KZUv Kieb mUvI cvi mv_ wVK KiZ ne|
mLvb hw` fyj Kib mvb Avcbvi K_v be bv| KviY GLbKvi
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mvbì Avgvì Rgvbvi mvbì gZv AvDUjyK bB| AZGe

AvcbvKI eyS b PjZ ne| memgq GUv gb ivLeb h,
AvcbvK ejZ nehZUv kvbvi Rb Avcbvi Qj cZ AvQ
ZZUv| Avi MvQ hw` GKevi k nq hvq, Wvj hw` GKevi k nq
hvq mUvK euvKvbv hvq bv| AZGe, mvbK hv kvmb Kivi Kieb,
mUv QvU _K| QvUejvq Avnv` èb Avi eo nIqvi ci kvmb
Kieb| mUv ne bv| Avì Ges kvmb `yUvB KiZ ne QvUejv
_K, ZvnjB mvb gvbyl ne|
ck : KvDK `LjB bv wK ivM ai? GUv Kx aibi va? ivM
mPZb nZ wMq cvidig Kbkvm nq Mj gywi Dcvq Kx?
Di : KD KD GiKg KiZ cvib| h AgyKK `LjB ivM nq|
AgyKK `LjB gRvR Lvivc nq hvq| GUv GK aibi bMwUf
Kwkwbs| wZwb nqZv Zvi eb GK aibi fyj cvMvg w`q
iLQb| GUv ZviB cwZdjb| Avcwb m`vPiY Kib| Zvnj GUv
Avcbvi Afvm cwiYZ ne| cvidig Kbkvm nIqvi ckB IV bv|
ck : AwZwi ivM nj Kx Kiev?
Di : AwZwi ivM hw` nq, mv_ mv_ ev_ig Pj hveb| wMq nq
Mvmj Ki djeb, bv nq wbRi Mvj AvQvgZv KqKUv Po
èb| `Leb h, ivM Pj MQ| memgq gb ivLeb, Avcbvi
fZi hw` k KD _vK, Zv njv ivM| Avi ivMK KLbv Avcbvi
Ici Rqx nZ èb bv|
ivMK `gb Kivi Rb hv hv Kiv ìKvi Kieb| GKevi nRiZ
Beb Dgvi bexRx (m)-K wRm Kijb, wKm Avgvi KjvY ne?
bexRx (m) ejjb, ivM `gb Ki| ivM `gb Kivi gaB iqQ
KjvY| wZb evi wZwb wRm Kijb Ges GKB Di w`jb
bexRx (m)| Zvi gvb Avcwb hw` ivM `gb KiZ bv cvib, Avcwb
hw` Vvv gv_vq KvR KiZ bv cvib, Avcwb hw` iM wMq ci gZv
AvPiY Kib Zvnj Avcwb agwei KvR Kijb|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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ck : Avwg ivM wKQyZB KUvj KiZ cvwi bv| iM Mjb Zv ni

Mjb AUvmvRkb, KvqvUv fw wKQyB KvR `q bv| iM Mj
nvZ-cv KvwU| Kx Kiev?
Di : iM Mj nvZ-cv KvwUGUv nQ ivMi chvq, GUv gvbwmK
ivM| Gi Rb gvbwmK Wvvi ev KvDwjsqi kiYvcb nZ ne|
ck : AvM Avwg Lye iM hZvg Ges AbK weiwi KvR KiwQ wK
GLb Avwg Kviv mv_ hwÌ ivwM bv, ZeyI GiKg fve Avmj Zvi
mv_ K_v ejv e Ki `B| GZ Lye DcKvi cqwQ| ck nQ GUv
wK wi-GKwUf KvR bv cv-GKwUf?
Di : Avcwb cv-GKwUf bv njI cv-GKwUf nIqvi AvMi chvq
AvQb| A_vr Avcwb wbRK wbqY KiZ wkLQb| Avi Gi dj
Avcwb h DcKviI cvQb Zvi KviYI cwivi| KviY ay gb gb
iM Mj mgmv nq bv| mgmv nq ivMUvK cKvk Ki djj| G
AevUv eRvq ivLZ cvij Avcwb `Leb h, Gici Avi Avcbvi
K_v e KiviI cqvRb nQ bv|
ck : Avwg ivM wbqY KiZ cvwi, wK weiw `~i KiZ Kx KiZ
cvwi? Avgvi ewMZ wRwbm KD eenvi Kij fxlY wei jvM|
Di : wKQy ewMZ wRwbm _vKZ cvi hv AviKRbi eenvi Kiv
DwPZ bq| hgb, Uz_evk ev UvIqj ev wPiwb BZvw` Ab KD eenvi
Kij wei jvMv ^vfvweK| Zv hw` GgbwK ^vgx-x nq ZviciI|
Avevi wKQy wKQy wRwbmi evcvi Avgiv ewk mbmwUf nq hvB|
nqZv mUv AviKRb eenvi Ki djQ| fyj nZ cvi, Lqvj
KiZ bv ci nZ cvi ev nqZv m eySZB cvi wb h, GUvK
Avcwb cQ` Kieb bv| Gme ZvK myìfve ejvUvB hywhy|
KviY Avcwb hw` bv ejb, Zvnj m eySe Kxfve h, Avcwb
GUvZ wei nQb| Avcbvi cQ`-AcQì K_v AviKRbK ejZ
ne wK Ggbfve ejeb hvZ m gb K bv cvq| KviY ewMZ
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wRwbm eenvi Kiv gvb nQ Zvi mv_ Avcbvi GKwU Nwb mK

AvQ| KvRB ZvK ej w`Z ne, eywSq w`Z ne mgqmyhvMgZv| ZvnjB Avcwb G weiw _K AevnwZ cZ cvib|
ck : ivM ckwgZ Kivi Rb Kvb gwWUkb wbqwgZ Ki hZ ne
ivMi gwWUkb bv wkw_jvqb?
Di : wkw_jvqb wbqwgZ Kieb| ivMi gwWUkbI gvS gvS
Kieb|
ck : msmvi wekLjv GovZ ev Kvbv `vl-wU awiq w`Z GKUz
ivMi cqvRb nq| memgq ah aiv ev Pzc _vKvUvK `yejZv gb Kiv
nq| mn KiZ bv ci cwZev` KiZ nq, ZLb Kx Kiev?
Di : ivM Ki `vlwU awiq w`jB h kvaive Zv bv-I nZ
cvi| kvaivbvi Rb AvcbvK mgq-myhvM Ges Zvi gvbwmKZv eyS
Zvici ejZ ne| G KLbv KLbv Avcwb ivM bq, ivMi fvb
KiZ cvib| Avi cwZev` nQ `yeji A| `yej cwZev` Ki|
wK mej Ki cwZKvi| AZGe mew`K _K mej nvb|
ck : AbK mgq `Lv Mj KD Kvbv evR KgU Kijv ev AvgvK
K w`q K_v ejjv ZLb Zv Avgvi gv_vi ga mvivw`b _vK| gb
Lvivc nq, Kvbv KvR, covkvbv, wKQyB KiZ cvwi bv| cwZKvi PvB|
Di : `bw`b Rxeb hw` Avcwb Acici `wKvYUvK eySZ
cvib Zvnj GB K _K gyw cveb| GKRb AvcbvK LuvPv
w`jv| Kb w`jv? AbK mgq LuvPvUv Avevi mivmwi bv nq GKUz
Nywiq nq| AvcvZZ wbixn GKUv geB Kijv, wK Avcwb eySZ
cviQb AvcbvK Dk Ki Kiv|
hgb nZ cvi m Avcbvi evcvi Clvw^Z| Avcwb Zvnj Kx
Kieb? Zvi cksmv Kib| Zvi ici cksmv Kib, Yi cksmv
Kib| GKUv mgq `Leb, Avcbvi evcvi Zvi `wfw cv MQ|
m Avi AvcbvK weli PvL `LQ bv|
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ck : Avgvi Pvicvki cwiek GZ ewk bMwUf h, Avwg wbRK

wbqY KiZ cvwi bv| Lye ivM Kwi| gviai Kwi| Ges Zvi cfve
Avgvi Qj-gqi Ici co| GLb Avgvi KiYxq mK ejeb|
Di : cwiek hZB bMwUf nvK, ivM Ki Zv Avcwb wbRi wZ
KiQb| KviY, ivMi gv_vq vai gv_vq Mvgv jfj h KvR Kiv
nq mUv KLbI KjvY eq Avb bv| ZLb eb KvR Ki bv, cew
KvR Ki| hgb, GKUv evN kw w`q Kvey KiZ Pvq| wK `wnK
kwi Pq Avmj kwUv nQ eywi kw| evN wbtm`n Lye kwgvb
cvYx| m hKvbv gvbylK Lq djZ cvi|
wK gvbyl evNK civwRZ Kijv Kxfve? eyw w`q, ebUvK
cqvM Ki| ivM GB ebK KvR jvMvevi B Aivq mw Ki|
AZGe Pvicvki bwZevPK cfve AvcbvK Rq KiZ ne Vvv gv_vq
BwZevPK KvR Ki|
ck : ckvMZ hvMZv ev KvRi ^xKwZ hw` bv cvB Zvnj Kx
KiYxq? ZLbKvi vf-KK Kxfve mvgjvev?
Di : GiKg nZ cvi| wK GKwU welq gb ivLeb cKwZi wbqg
Lye hywmZ| Avcwb hw` KvR Kib, KvR Avcbvi `ZvK
evove| hvi KvQ _K ^xKwZ PvQb m hw` ^xKwZ bv-I `q
cKwZ AvcbvK ^xKwZ è| wK z nq Avcwb hw` KvR Kwgq
`b, hw` fvebGZ K Kijvg Avi cgvkb Avgvi bv nq AgyKi
njv ev BbwgU njv bv, AgyK Uyi AvgvK cvVvbv njv bv|
ZvnjB Avcwb wcwQq Mjb| Avi Avcwb hw` AvwiKfve KvR
Kib, H cwZvb hw` ^xKwZ bv-I `q Ab cwZvb AvcbvK wbq
hve ^xKwZ w`q|
ck : wbRi mwVK I mZ wmvK KD hw` fyj wKsev mwVK bq ej
Dcvcb Ki Ges Kvbv cve hw` cZvLvb Ki Zvnj Avgvi
ivM Pig DV hvq| Aek GUv ay cwieviB nq| G _K gywi
Dcvq ej wèb|
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Di : G Avcwb `vwqZUv wbR wbb| Avmj Avcbvi K_vUv hZB

mwVK, mZ ev hywmZ nvK bv Kb Avcwb Avmj wZwb h fvlvq
evSb m fvlvq evSvZ cviQb bv| AZGe `vlUv Zvi bv, `vlUv
Avcbvi| KvRB mfve evSvevi Pv Kib, hfve wZwb eySeb|
GKw`K _K bv eySj Abw`K _K evSvb|
Avi Gme Avcwb hZ Vvv _vKeb, ZZ evSvZ cvieb|
hZ iM hveb, DwRZ neb, ZZ ebK eenvi Kiv _K Avcwb
`~i _vKeb| Avi KvDK cve w`j gb ivLeb cve `qvi
AwaKvi hiKg Avcbvi AvQ, Zgwb cve cZvLvb Kivi AwaKviI
Zvi AvQ| AZGe hLb KvDK cve èb, mv_ mv_ Zvi cZvLvb
Kivi AwaKviKI mnRfve MnY Kieb|
ck : Avgiv AbK mgq wb AgyK Awj ev cxi Lye Rvjvwj wQjb, ivMx
wQjb| Zviv hw` ivMx nb Zvnj Avgvì ivM `gbi cqvRb Kb?
Di : AbK Awj-eyRyM ev gywb-Fwlì ivM wQjv, Zviv Lye gRvRx
wQjbGB eei Kvbv mZZv bB| KviY ivM Ges AwjZ GK
mv_ nq bv| gnvgvbeiv cw_exZ Avmb gvbyli KjvYi Rb, ZvK
Awfkvc `qvi Rb bq ev f Kivi Rb bq| wbRiv ivM Kiv Zv
`~ii K_v, Zvì mv_ `yeenvi, Abvq GgbwK kvixwiK wbhvZb
njI Zviv ivM Kib wb| Dv gv Ki w`qQb|
Zvqd hLb imyjyj-vn (m) Gi Ici cv_i wbc Kiv nqQ, mB
iv AevqI hLb wRevBj (Av) Gm ejjb h, n Avj-vni imyj,
Avcwb ejyb, cyiv ZvqdK asm Ki èb Avj-vn Zvqvjv| ZLb
bexRx ejwQjb, hw` G Rbc` asm nq hvq Zv Avwg Avgvi mZi
evYx, Avgvi xbi K_v Kvi KvQ cPvi Kiev?
nhiZ gvwjK w`bviK GKevi GK gwnjv z nq ejjv, Zzwg
GKUv f| gvwjK w`bvi GKUzI DwRZ bv nq nm ejjb, nuv,
ZzwgB nQv GKgv fvMeZx h GZw`b AvgvK wPbQv|
Avmj ivM-vaK me agB wbirmvwnZ Kiv nqQ| agi evYxB
wQjv memgq kvw, gv, D`viZv Avi gn| hgb, bexRx (m)
ejQb, z nqv bv, h ew vaK mseiY KiZ cvi m-B
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cKZ exi| Avevi ac` gnvgwZ ey ejQb, iY mnmhvvi

Ici weRqxi Pq ivM-va weRqx ev AvZRqx exiB exik|
evBej hx ejQb, KD Mvwj w`j cvv Mvwj wÌ bv| eis ZvK
Avkxev` Ki| ZvnjB Zvgiv Avkxev` cve|
ck : Avwg ivM wbqYi Pv Kwi| wK gvS gvS wiKkvIqvjv ev
wmGbwRIqvjviv hLb AwZwi fvov Pvq ZLb Lye ivM nq|
Di : GUv wVK h, AbK mgq Zviv AhwK fvov `vwe Ki| wK
GKRb wiKkvIqvjvi mv_ hw` Avcwb ivMvivwMZ wj nb Avcbvi Avi
wiKkvIqvjvi ga cv_K Kx njv? Avcwb Zv Zvi iB wbRK
bvwgq Avbjb| Avi Avcwb hw` GKRb wiKkvIqvjvi gbUv evSvi
Pv Kib, Avcwb eySeb Kb m GiKg|
GKRb wiKkvIqvjv KLb wiKkvIqvjv nq? b`xfvOb A_ev
gnvRbi cvj-vq co hLb Mvg Zvi wfUvgvwU mewKQyK nvwiq mnvq
m^jnxb nq co| m kvwlZ, ewZ| jLvcov kLvi myhvM cvq
wb| G me KviY Zvi AePZb _vK mevB AvgvK kvlY KiQ|
hgb Avcwb hw` fvov wVK bv Ki wiKkvq IVb Zvnj bvh fvov
w`jI m fvee AvgvK VwKqQ| GRb memgq fvov wVK Ki
wiKkvq DVeb|
ZviciI hw` `Lb wiKkvIqvjv PuvPvgwP KiZ cvi Zvnj
`yUvKv ewk w`q njI Avcbvi w`K _K KZe njv cwiwwZK kv
Kiv| KviY PuvPvgwP Ki wiKkvIqvjv fyj hve ciYB| wK
Avcbvi fyjZ mgq jvMe| `Lv hve mvivw`bB nqZv Avcwb gvbwmK
DRbvq AvQb| hv Avcbvi KvRi wZ Kie| ZvB fvov AvMB
wVK Ki wiKkvq DVeb, `Leb wiKkvIqvjvi mv_ Avcbvi mgmv
AaK Kg hvQ|
G cm Bgvg Rvdi mv`K (in)-Gi GKwU NUbv AvQ| wZwb
GKw`b evmvq divi c_ `Lb Zvi GKRb mnhvMx gRywi wVK bv
Ki `yBRb kwgK wbhy KiQ| Bgvg ZvK ejjb, gRywi wVK bv Ki
kwgK wbqvM Kiv Zvgvi DwPZ nq wb|
Avmj ivM ev vf Ggb welq hv cKvk Ki djj AvcbvK
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`ytL cKvk KiZ ne, gv PvBZ ne| KvRB hRb mwi ejZ
nq, gv PvBZ nq mUv bv KivUvB eywgvbi KvR| Avi gb ivLeb,
h AvPiY Avcwb GKevi Ki djjb, h K_v ej djjb, m
K_vi cfve wK coeB Zv hZB `ytL cKvk Kiv nvK bv Kb|
ck : Avgvi cwievii m`mì Ici Avgvi AbK Awfgvb| Zviv
AvgvK evS bv| memgq Avgvi Ici wmv Pvwcq w`Z Pvq| Kx
Kiev?
Di : Avmj cwievii m`mhvìK Avgiv wcqRb gb Kwi,
Zvì IciB Avgvì Awfgvb mePq ewk nq| hgb mvb nj gvevevi wei, x nj ^vgxi wei, ^vgx nj xi wei| Avgiv
fvwe, m Kb memgq Avgvi Ici Pvwcq `q? Kb AvgvK evS bv?
GLb Avgiv hw` `wLAvmj mgmvUv nQ Avcwb eySjb bv|
Avcwb evSvZ cvijb bv| gvb mgmvUv wZwb bb, mgmv Avcwb|
KviY Avgiv KLbv wbRi fyj wbR ^xKvi KiZ PvB bv| memgq
`vlUv Abi Ici PvcvZ PvB h, Avgvi Ici Abvq Kiv nQ|
AbvqUv h AvwgI KiwQ GUv eywS bv| hw` fvBqi wei AwfhvM
_vK, hw` evbi wei AwfhvM _vK, Avwg wK ZvK evSvZ
PvB| wK ZvK eySZ PvB bv| m Kx ejZ PvQ mUv eySZ PvB bv|
hgb, eKv AvgvK w`qQ wVK AvQ wK Kb m AvgvK eKvUv w`jv
GUv eySZ Pv Kwi bv| GUvB nQ Avgvì Awfgvb mwi KviY|
AZGe mgmvUvK Avcwb cv w`b| Avcbvi fvBK Zv e`jvZ
cviQb bv| KviY Avcbvi fvB e`jveb wK bv GUv Zvi Ici wbfi
KiQ| wK Avcwb e`jveb wK bv, GUv Avcbvi Ici wbfi KiQ|
AZGe hUv Avcwb cvib mUv hw` Avcwb Kib Zvnj mgmv AbK
AbK mnR nq hvq|
Avmj AveM hLbB Avme, ZLb Avcwb Avi wbicfve wPv
KiZ cvieb bv| Avcbvi wPvUv ZLb ccvZ`y nq hve| dj
Avcbvi wmv fyj ne| GRb AvcbvK AveMi Ea DVZ ne|
Avi GUv ZLbB cvieb hLb h KviY Avcbvi AveM mw njv A_vr
hv Avcbvi ga Awfgvb mw KiQ, vf mw KiQ mB welqUvK
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wbicfve `LZ cvieb| A_vr hvi weiB Avcbvi Awfgvb

nvK bv Kb, wZwb mnKgx nZ cvib, fvB nZ cvib, evb nZ
cvib, AvZxq nZ cvib, ixq nZ cvibAvcwb hw` Zvi
`wfwZ AvcbvK `LZ cvib, wek-lY KiZ cvibAvcwb
`Leb h, Avcwb fyj KiQb bv|
fq
ck : fq Kx? fqK Rq Kivi Dcvq Kx? fwelZi AnZzK fq nq|
AvwgI Rvwb, hv fq KiwQ Zv ne bv wK GB fq Avgvi eZgvbK b
KiQ| Kx Kiev?
Di : bwZevPK wPvi Rbbx nQ fq| fq GK A`k f~Z| AbKi
RxebB fq Zvov Ki eovq Qvqvi gZv| GB fqB nQ Avgvì
ebK ewk ewk KvR jvMvbvi c_ mePq eo Aivq| fq h KZ
aibi nZ cvi Zvi Bqv bB| ivM fq, jvK fq, evaKi fq,
wcqRb weQì fq, wbivcvi fq, e_Zvi fq, `vwiì fq, cvKv
gvKoi fq, f~Zi fq, gZzfq BZvw`|
Ze gRvi evcvi nQ, fqi Aevb nQ Avgvì mPZb gb|
Avcwb hw` GB fqjv KvMR-Kjg wjwce Ki djb, Zvnj
GjvK h_vh_fve kbv KiZ cvieb| cvieb Gjvi Drm
LyuR ei KiZ| GKevi h_vh_fve wjwce KiZ cvij Gjvi
AvKwZ ne wjwLZ Aii mgvb| ZLb Avcwb G fqjvi wei
mnR c`c I eev MnY KiZ cvieb|
Avgiv hw` Avgvì mPZbZvi mgyì Mfxi GB fqjvK
wePiY KiZ `B Zvnj Avgvì ARvB Gjv jvwjZcvwjZ nq
bv`ym-by`ym nq DVe| Gjvi nvZ _K Avgiv KLbv invB cvev
bv| Mfxi mgy` AbK wekvj wekvj cvYx evm Ki| GjvK hw`
Kvbvfve mgyì Zxi wbq Avmv hvq, ZvnjB Gì gZz NU|
fqKI GKBfve gvKvejv KiZ ne|
fq KLbv Mfxi cheY I wek-lYi Avjv mn KiZ cvi bv|
350
fq nQ AKvii KxU| Avjvq GjB Zv gyL _yeo co hvq|

Avgvì Rxebi mePq ewk mgmvi KviY nQ Awbw` fq|
hw` Ggb nq Ze wK ne GB AvZB Avgvì mePq ewk wZ
Ki| ZvB Avcbvi AvkvK KvMR Ki wjL djyb| jLvi ci
wRm Kib, Gici Kx ne? mePq LvivcUvB wjLyb| KvMR eo
Ki wjLyb| hvZ Ki Avcwb `LZ cvib|
fqi nvZ _K euvPvi mnR c_ GKUvB| Zv nQ, fqi K_v
KvMR wjL Zv cywoq djv| Gfve Avcwb ceZcgvY fqKI wbwq
Ki w`Z cvib| KviY ARvbv welq hLbB Rvbv nq hvq, ZLbB fq
Zvi inm I kw `yB-B nvwiq dj|
hgb, AKvi KvKZvoyqv `LI Avcwb f~Z fe fq cZ
cvib| wK GKevi UPi Avjv djyb| em! me kl| Avcwb eySZ
cvieb Avcbvi fqi Drm mvgvb LoKzUv, euvk Avi GKUv nvwo I
GKUv Quov-dvUv Rvgv gv|
ZvB fqK gbi Mnxb evm KiZ èb bv, ZvK PvLi mvgb
Zzj Avbyb| KvMR wjL djyb| A`k `ZK `kgvb Ai cwiYZ
Kib| Avi cywoq djyb AijvK|
fq _K gyw cvIqv ev fqK Kvey Kivi AviKUv c_ nQ fqK
wbq Vvv Kiv| fqK Rq Kivi Rb Aev I Aenjvi Pq mdj
A Avi Kx nZ cvi! Avcwb gZv bv w`j Avcbvi Ici fqi
Kvbv gZv _vKZ cvi bv|
h KvRK fq cvb mvnm Ki Zv Ki djyb| fq mK AvcbvK
gb ivLZ ne h, KDB fq _K gy bb| fq cvb wb cw_exZ
Ggb Kvbv gvbyl bB| Ze hviv mdj, hviv exi Zviv fqK
gvKvejv KiQb, fqK wbq Dcnvm KiQb, fqK AwZg
KiQb| Zviv KLbv fqi KvQ AvZmgcY Kib wb|
Avcbvi RxebI AbK cwiwwZ Avme, hvi gyLvgywL nZ Avcwb
fq cvb| nqZv Avcwb BUviwfD evWK fq cvb, bZzb jvKi mv_
Avjvc KiZ fq cvb, ùvZi Wvvii KvQ hZ fq cvb, BbRKkb
wbZ fq cvb, wegvb PoZ fq cvb| wVK AvQ| Avcbvi G fq wbq
jv cvIqvi wKQy bB| Avcwb ay GK gvKvejv Kib| fq KvwUq
IVvi Pv Kib|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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h KvRK fq cvQb, mvnm Ki KvRUv Ki djyb| wekvm Kib!

Avcwb mivmwi fqi Ici Suvwcq coj fq cvjvevi c_ cve bv|
Avevi GgbI nZ cviAvcwb h KvRK fq cvQb mvnm Ki Kivi
ci m KvRB Acvi Avb` jvf KiZ cvib|
hgb Avcwb wegvb gY fq cvb| wegvb Kvbvw`b IVb wb|
mvnm Ki DV cob wegvb| hLb wbPi w`K ZvKveb, cw_exK hLb
AvKvk _K `Leb ZLbKvi bZzb `w AvcbvK, Avcbvi Dcjwi
fvviK mg Kie|
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Avcbvi ùvZ dj bv w`q iL `qvi eev KiZ mg nZ
cvib| mvnm Ki BUviwfD evWi myLxb nvb| Avcbvi PvKwi ev
c`vbwZi ìRv Lvjvi GUvB Zv c_|
e_Zvi fq AvcbvK cq emQ! GUv AvcbvK KvUvZ ne| Zv
bv nj Avcwb KvR i KiZ cvieb bv| mvaviYZ `Lv MQ, e_
jvKivB e_ZvK fq cvq| KviY Zviv i KiZB mvnm cvq bv|
Avcwb mdj neb bv ej wekvm Kij Avcwb KvR i KiZ cvieb
bv| Avi KvR i bv Kiv GK iZi Aciva| gbK ejyb, mvdji
c_ KzmygvxY bq, e_Zv AwZgi gvagB Avm mvdj|
KvR i Kib| j DuPz ivLyb| K_vq ej, m~hi w`K Zxi gvij
Zv AZ eo MvQi gMWvj wMq jvMe| ZvQvov e_Zvi wPvKI
Avcwb BwZevPKfve eenvi KiZ cvib| hgb, GKwU D`vM hw`
AvkveK dj bv cvIqv hvq Zvnj Gi weK Kx c`c bqv hvq
AvM _KB Zv wVK Ki ivLyb| ZLb fq Avcbvi mnvqK kw wnme
KvR Kie|
fqK Rq Kivi AviKwU eo A nQ fvb Kiv| fvb Kib,
Ggbfve Awfbq Kib, hb Avcbvi Rxeb fqi Kvbv AwZ bB|
gvwKb cwmWU w_IWvi iRf AKcU ^xKvi KiQbAvgvi
Rxeb e wKQy wQjv hv wbq Avwg c_g fq cZvg| wK m
KvRjv KiZ wMq Avwg memgqB fvb KiZvg h, Avwg Av` fxZ
bB| fvb KiZ KiZB Avgvi fq Kg hZ jvMjv| Avgvi GLb
Kvbv wKQy wbqB fq bB| BQ Kij ewkifvM gvbyli RxebB G
NUbvi cybivew NUZ cvi|
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cwmWU iRfi Rxeb hUv mwZ Avcbvi RxebI Zv mwZ

nZ cvi| fqK Rq Kivi Rb Avcwb GKB cv Aej^b Kib|
Rvi Ki fvb Kib h, Avcwb fq cvb wb| Avcwb evSvi AvMB
`Leb h, fvbUvB mZ cwiYZ nqQ|
Avmj Avgvì AwaKvski Rxeb fq nQ fwelZi KvwbK
wec` wbq| fwelZ Kx wec` nZ cvi, Kx Svgjv nZ cvi
BZvw`| fwelr msv AwbqZv wbq Avcwb Avcbvi eZgvbi myì
mgqjvK b KiQb| Avcwb AvMvgxKvjK hZ ewk fq cveb,
ZZB Avcwb AvRKi w`bwUK KvR jvMvZ I DcfvM KiZ e_
neb| eZgvbK cyivcywi KvR jvMvb, eZgvb wbq Avcwb e _vKzb,
fwelr wbRB wbRi hZ be| RxebK, Rxebi MwZK fq cvIqvi
wKQy bB| eZgvbK cwic~Yfve KvR jvMvb, DcfvM Kib| KviY
Avcbvi Rxeb eZgvb Avi wZxqevi wdi Avme bv|
ck : Avwg memgq fq Ges AvZ _vwK| gb nq GLbB wbtkvm e
nq gviv hvev| Kx Kiev`qv Ki ejeb?
Di : wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kij G Aev nIqvi K_v bq| nqZv
Avcbvi gwWUkbB wVKgZv nQ bv| Avcwb nqZv gwWUkb
wSgvQb ev NygvQb| Avi wbtkvm Zv GKw`b e neB|
GLb _K hLbB gb ne h, wbtkvm e nq hvQ, ZLbB
ejeb, kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn, Avwg gviv hvwQ| Aviv ewkw`b euP
_vKj cvci cwigvY Aviv ewk nZv!
A_vr h wRwbmUvK fq cvQb mUvKB IqjKvg Kieb|
mivmwi m AevK gvKvejv Kieb| `Leb Avi fq cvQb bv|
Avmj hLb Avcbvi gZzi mgq ne, ZLbB Avcwb gviv hveb| Avi
mgq hw` bv nq, Zvnj mdvqvi Kivi ciI `Lv hve h, wj gv_vi
Ici w`q Pj MQ wKsev c-b vk Ki mevB gviv hvevi ciI
Avcwb euP MQb|
KvRB gviv hvIqvUv GZ mnR evcvi bq, hw` Avqy kl bv nq|
ZvB LvgvLvgviv hvwQ, Kx ne GLbGme fe Awi nq jvf
bB| Gici _K GiKg gb nj gvwUi evsK `vb Kieb| hZevi
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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Avcwb gviv hveb bv| mgq nq Mj Avcwb euvPeb bv|
ck : cwZwU ^vfvweK KvR KiZ Mj jvKfq Avv nB| gb nq
Zviv AvgvK cQ` KiQ bv| ZvQvov i `Lj fq cvB, Kx Kiev?
Di : Lye mnR mgvavb| eqm Ges IRb wVK _vKj cwZ Pvi gvm ci
ci i èb| Avi i `qvi wKQyY ci cvwb Lq dk nq,
ii evMUv `Leb, Avi ejZ _vKeb, evn! Kx myì i! Avwg
KZ mvnmx h, Avwg i w`qwQ|
Avi jvKfq _K euvPvi mnR Dcvq nQKvbv KvRi evcvi
Pvicvki jvKiv Kx ejjv bv ejjv mUv bv fe G evcvi
Avcbvi weeK Kx ejmUvZ gbvhvMx nIqv| KvRwU hw` mwVK nq,
wbRi Ges Abi KjvYv_ nqZvnj jvKK fq cvIqvi wKQy
bB| KviY mvaviY gvbyl Avi fovi cvji ga Kvbv cv_K bB|
mvaviY gvbyl AvRK Avcbvi wb`v KiQ| Avcwb eo wKQy Ki djyb,
KvjB Zviv Avcbvi cksmvq cgyL ne|
KvRB jvKfq fxZ nIqvi Pq evKvwg Avi wKQy bB|
jvKfqK cvv w`q KDB gnvgvbe, iYxq ev eiYxq nZ cvib
wb| bexRx (m) hLb mZi evYx cPvi KiQb, ZLb wZwb hw` gb
KiZb, KD KD Zv AcQ` KiQ, AZGe _vK, wcwQq Avwm,
Zvnj Zuvi j wZwb cuQZ cviZb bv|
KvqvUvgI GKB evcvi| 19 eQi AvM hviv Kvm KiQb
Zvì AwaKvskKB cvMj m^vab bZ nZv| A_P hviv mw`b
cvMj ejQb Zvì AbKB AvR Kvm Kivi Rb AvmQb| Kb?
KviY jvKfqK Avgiv Rq KiZ ciwQ|
ck : Ni AKvi _vKj Avgvi `g e nq hvq, Lye K nq| Avi
ìRv Zvjve _vKj Avgvi Lye Awi-A^vfvweK jvM| Kx Kiev?
Di : AKvi `g e nq Mj PvL e Kieb| PvL e KijB
`Leb Avjvq AvjvKgq RMr| ZLb myì Kbvq Wye hvb, gbQwe
`Lyb Ges `LZ `LZ Nywgq cob|
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ck : Avwg wRb-f~ZK fq cvB| cwievi f~Z wekvmi cPjb AvQ|

AwffveKiv `vqv-ZvweR wekvm Kib| Zv mI fq KvU bv| w`b`ycyi GKv bvgvR coZ fq cvB| Kx Kij G fq `~i ne?
Di : f~ZK fq cvIqvi wKQz bB| KviY f~Z ej wKQz bB| Ze
wRb mK KviAvb kixd ejv AvQ| wRbi fq Gj gb Kieb,
wRb AvcbvK aie bv eis Avcwb wRbK aieb| `Leb, fq cvwjq
MQ| Avi ZvQvov KvqvUvg MvRyqU wnme Avcbviv mg Akixix
mewKQz _K wbivc`| Avcbvì KvQ Giv NulZ cvie bv|
ck : wKQyw`b AvM Lye Amy wQjvg| eZgvb my AvwQ| wK bZzb
mgmv `Lv w`qQ| ivMfxwZ KvR KiQ Avgvi ga| mvivY fq
Avi Ubkb Awi _vwK| Gw`K eveI Zv `wL wKQyw`b ci ci
GKKUv gnvgvixi AvZ QovQ|
Di : Avmj fq `Lvbv ev fxwZKi cwiek mw KivGUv
eemvqxì GKUv Pvj| gvbylK fqM Kiv njv kvlKì GKUv
nvwZqvi| Zvnj fq iva Kivi wKQy DcKiY m wew KiZ cvie|
ivMfqI Zgwb|
mvaviY gvbylK hZ ivM-evwa-gZyi fq `Lvbv hve ZZ Zviv
wKbe Ilya, fvKwmb Ges bvbviKg ivMcwZivaKvix DcKiY ev
hcvwZ| Avi DPg~ji Gme wRwbm wew Ki gvwbvkbvj Ilya
Kvvwb Ges Zvì mnhvMx wPwKrmv eemvqx Mvx jvfevb ne|
KqK eQi AvM WyivM wbq Avgvì `k h ZzjKvjvg njv
Zvi g~jI wQjv wPwKrmv eemvqxì m GB gvm wnwwiqv| Avi
ivMfqi RyRyK eemvwqK ^v_ KvR jvMvevi RNb cPvi GKUv
mvcwZK D`vniY njv Z_vKw_Z mvqvBb dz cvbWwgK|
2010 mvj cKvwkZ nq mvqvBb dz-i Ici BDivci 47wU
`ki cvjvgU m`mì wbq MwVZ KvDwji GK Z` cwZe`b|
GZ ejv nq, 2009 mvj wekRyo Qwoq cov mvqvBb dz AvZ
Avmj wek ^v msvi AuvZvZ dvgvwmDwUKj Kvvwbjvi m
wg_v Re Qvov Avi wKQy bq Ges GUv Zviv KiQ Rb^vK wecb
Ki gybvdv jvfi Dk|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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KwgwUi cavb DjdMvs IWvM ejwQjb, mmgq Ilya Kvvwb Ges

wek ^v msvi wekliv wewfb `ki miKvijvK gvMZ Pvc
w`q hvwQjb DPg~ji Z_vKw_Z Gme fvKwmb wKbZ, hvi Kvbv
evwbK ev eve wfw wQjv bv| G hver hZ aibi dzi RxevYy
AvweZ nqQ, Zvi ga GwU njv mePq `yej MvQi GKwU|
ZviciI GUvK Ggb fqvenic Zviv Dcvcb Kijv h, gnvgvixi
msvUvB Zviv e`j djjv| Avgiv GLbv Rvwb bv h, Avmj Kx
NUwQjv| ay GUv Rvwb h, GmewKQyi ga w`q wKQy dvgvwmDwUKj
Kvvwb nvwZq wbqwQjv wecyj AsKi gybvdv|
Avgiv Avmj ivM-RxevYy mv_ wbqB euP _vwK| Avgvì ivM
cwZiva gZvB AvgvìK my ivL| wK fqUv hLb gbi ga
XyK hvq, ZLb ivMcwZiva gZvI b nq hvq| KviY eve Avgiv
h wmUgjv `wL Gjv Avgvì KbviB cKvk| Ges h KviY
Wvviiv hLb ivMvv nb, ZLb Ilyai cvkcwZwqv Zvi ga ewk
nq KviY cvkcwZwqv msv Z_ Zvi gv_vi ga iqQ|
AZGe fqfxwZK `~i Ki djyb Ges ivMK eyov AvOyj `LvZ
wkLyb| Avcwb ivMfq _K euP hveb| Avi memgq AUvmvRkb
èb, cwZw`b Avgvi ^v fvjv nQ, cvYkw evoQ| Avwg bZzb
bZzb Kg, bZzb bZzb fvebvq DxweZ nwQ|
ck : iv Avwg hLb Nygvbvi Rb AvM jvBU Ad Kwi A_ev Kvbv
KviY hw` AKvi Aevq Nyg fvO| ZLb GK ARvbv AvZ AvgvK
Mvm Ki| Avgvi gb nq K hb AvgvK cQb _K Ub aiQ|
GZ Avwg cP fq cvB| G fq _K Kxfve Avwg cwivY cZ
cvwi, `qv Ki civgk èb wK?
Di : hLbB gb ne KD cQb _K Ub aiQ, Avcwb ZvK Ub
aib, Kv_vq hvwQm? AvgvK ZzB Kx aiwe? Avwg ZvK aiev|
`Leb h, Avi AvmQ bv| hLbB gb ne GiKg Kieb| cwZw`b
kvqvi AvM wZbevi KvqvUv awb DPviY Kieb Ges gb gb
fveeb h, AvgvK iv Kivi gvwjK nQb Avgvi cfy, wZwb AvgvK
iv Kieb| Avgvi fq cvIqvi wKQy bB|
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ck : Avwg 192 evPi MvRyqU| Kvm Kivi ci ci wbqwgZ

gwWUkb KijI gvSLvb AwbqwgZ nq wMqwQjvg| GLb Avevi
wbqwgZ nqwQ| Avwg gvS gvS ivZ NygvZ Mj hLbB NygUv Mfxi
nq, gb nq Avgvi cvk KD hb Mfxifve kvm djQ| Avi gb
nq KvQvKvwQ KD AvQ| Ggb nq Kb?
Di : Avcwb ejQb Nyg Mfxi nQ| wK Avmj nqZv nQ bv|
Avi hLb GKRb gvbyl Avav-Nyg, Avav-RvMZ Aevq _vK ZLb
wbRi wbtkvmUvKB Abi wbtkvm gb Ki| gb nq GUv wbRi bv,
KvQvKvwQ KD wbtkvm QvoQ| GRb wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kieb, Nyg
Mfxi ne Ges G aibi k Avi beb bv|
ck : GKUv wk wbvc nq Rb bq myZivs fqnxbfve Rb bq|
wK `Lv hvq wkI fq cvq| Kb?
Di : gvZMfi Avivg, DZv Avi wbivcv Qo wk hLb f~wg nq,
ZLb KvbvB nq Zvi mnRvZ cKvk| m eySZ cvi GZw`bi GKUv
Af cwiek Qo m ewiq AvmQ| GUv wVK fq bq, cwiewZZ
cwieki cwZ GKwU ^Zt~Z cwZwqv|
ck : fq cvq ejB Zv gvbyl mveavb Pjvdiv Ki| fq bv _vKj
Zv gvbyl hZ Pjvdiv KiZv, Mvwoi Zjvq co gviv hZ|
Di : fqK wek-lY Kij Avgiv cavbZ `yaibi fq cvB| GKUvi
cfve BwZevPK| AbwUi cfve bwZevPK| BwZevPK fq AwfZvj
vb cwiYZ nqQ| Zv hywmZ I mveRbxb|
hgb Avb jvMvi fq| hw` Avbi evcvi Avcbvi Kvbv fq bv
_vK Ze Avcwb Ggb ecivqv nq hveb h, AvR nvK ev Kvj
Avcwb nqZv Avb viv wZM neb| Avcbvi hw` ivvq ecivqv
MwZZ Mvwo Pvjvbvi evcvi Kvbv fq bv _vK Zvnj Avcwb AvR
nvK ev Kvj `yNUbv NUvebB| Avb I `yNUbvi fq AvcbvK mZK I
mRvM ivL, Avcbvi wbivcv wbwZ Ki|
fq AbK mgq mRbkxj kwZ cwiYZ nZ cvi| hgb
AvbZvi fq| G fqB zj I wkvqZbi Rb w`qQ| cPv-evwm
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
357
Lvevii fqB cwiQbZv I weZvi Rb w`qQ| Avcwb hv ejQb Zv

fqi BwZevPK cfveiB D`vniY|
Avi wZKviK ej Avgiv h fqi K_v ejwQ mUv nQ
AhwK| GLb GKUv Mvwo AvmQ| Avcwb mUvi mvgb UviRvbi
gZv ùvwoq Mjb| Mvwoi avvq AvnZ ev wbnZ njb| GUv Zv
AvnvwK| GB AvnvwK Kivi Zv Kvbv ckB Avm bv|
GKUv wRwbm memgq gb ivLeb, mveavb nIqv Avi fq cvIqv
`yUv wK Avjv`v wRwbm| mveavbZv nQ GKUv BwZevPK `wfw|
Avi fq nQ GKUv bwZevPK `wfw| Avcwb hLb mveavb nQb
ZLb Avcwb cv-GKwUf nQb| Avi hLb Avcwb fq cvQb ZLb
Avcwb wi-GKwUf nQb|
ck : Avwg wbqwgZ `yejv gwWUkb KiwQ Ges cwZw`b evqvg KiwQ|
kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn! AvMi Pq AbK fvjv AvwQ| wK GKwU
mgmv GLbv cyivcywi `~i KiZ cvwi wb| Zv njv wekl gyn~Z bvfvm
nq hvIqv| hgb : emi mvgb, mevi mvgb eZv `qv BZvw`|
bvfvmbm Avwg cyivcywi Kxfve `~i KiZ cviev, `qv Ki Rvbveb|
Di : fq Avmj ewki fvM gvbyli gaB KvR Ki| Kviv ewk,
Kviv Kg| KD GUvK wbqY ivLZ cvib, Avi KvivUv cKvwkZ
nq hvq| GKevi `wY AvwdKvi Kv RvZxqZvev`x bZv bjmb
gvjv c-b hvQb| ZLb wZwb cwmWU| Zvi mv_ wQjb GKRb
mvsevw`K whwb Zvi mvvrKvi wbwQjb| nVvr wegvbi GKUv Bwb
MMvj `Lv w`jv| mK cvBjU Gm RvbvZB wZwb ejjb, wVK
AvQ| ej Avevi K_v ejZ jvMjb|
Gw`K Ab hvxiv Zv AvZ wPrKvi i Ki w`qQ| c-b
ZLb fxlY evws nwQjv| hv-B nvK, klgk wegvb wVKfveB
Me bvgjv| mvsevw`K ZLb gvjvi mvnmi cksmvq cgyL|
gvjv ejjb, mwZ ejZ wK Avgvi fZiUvI ZLb fq Vvv nq
wMqwQjv| wK AvgvK fq cZ `Lj Zv evwKiv Aviv ewk
bvfvm nq hZ| ZvB Avwg ZLb ay CkiK iY KiwQjvg hvZ
Avgvi Pnvivq Kvbv fq dzU bv IV| A_vr Kvbv Kvbv mgq fq
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cjI mvnmi fvb KiZ nq| hgbwU KiwQjb bjmb gvjv|

GZ Svby mvsevw`KI Zv aiZ cvi wb|
KvRB wekl gyn~Z cv_wgKfve bvfvm nq bv, Ggb gvbyl Lye
Kg| emi mvgb bvfvm nb bv Ggb gvbyl Kg| eZv w`Z wMq
bvfvm nb bv Ggb gvbyl Kg| wK hviv mdj Zviv gyn~ZB GwUK
KvwUq IVb, fqK wbRi wbqY wbq Avmb|
Avcwb mvnm Ki ejQb| AwaKvsk gvbylB mvnm Ki ej bv|
AZGe GUv wbq wPvi Kvbv KviY bB| hLbB emi mvgb hveb
ev gb nQ Avcwb bvfvm nq hvQb, gb gb wZbevi KvqvUv awb
Kieb, `Leb h, Avcwb bvfvmbm KvwUq DVQb|
ck : BUviwfD evW Mj bvfvm nq hvB| Rvbv welqI fyj hvB| G
_K cwivY cvIqvi Dcvq Kx?
Di : wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kij fvBfv evWi mvgb KD bvfvm ne
bv| wbqwgZ `yejv gwWUkb Kib| cZK evi mUvi/ kvLv/
mji mv`vKvqb cvMvg hvb Ges dvDkb h mrKg AvQ
GjvZ hZ`~i me Ask bqvi Pv Kib| `Leb, Avcbvi fvBfv
Avi Zviv Kx be? Avcwb Zvì fvBfv beb| KviY GKRb mdj
BUviwfDwq wZwb whwb BUviwfDqviK Zvi wPv viv cfvweZ Kib|
Avcbvi DiUvB cieZx ckK wbavwiZ Kie| Avmj BckbUv
nQ Lye iZc~Y| Avcwb GKRb AvZcZqx mrKgkxj gvbyl nvb,
Avcbvi Bckb GgwbZB AvKlY Kie| wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kij
^ZtZfveB Avcbvi Pnvivq _vKe AvZcZq| Avi mBmv_
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Kvbv wRwbm Gb `Lvq ZLb mUvK fvjv bv ejvi Pq evKvwg
Avi wKQz bB|
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KqKevi GKB K_v ejjb|
Zvici Avwg fO fO eySjvg, wMdUv gvb njv wMdU, Avi gvB
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bv| Zvi gvb GUv Avgvi IqvBdi Rb Zvi c _K `qv wMdU|
Zvi gZv GKRb abvX gwnjviI hw` GiKg BsiwR wbq Kvbv
nxbbZv bv _vK Zvnj Avgiv Kb nxbbZvq fyMev? Avi
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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nZ ne| cw_exK bZZ `qvi Rb G fvlv cyivcywi Avq KiZ
ne| Avi Avcbvi mvgvb GKUz PvZB Zv me|
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Zvi gZv njvg bv Kb? AvgvK Avj-vn Kb myì Ki mw Kib wb!
GB Abyf~wZ wbR _K Kxfve `~i Kiev?
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Avcbvi GB Akvw KLbv dzive bv| Avmj GB h bv-Kwiqv A_vr
Avgvi Kx bB mUv wbq wPv _KB Avgvì ga nxbbZv mw
nq| mw nq Akvw, AwiZv|
Avcwb hw` Avcbvi Kx bB mUv wbq wPv KiZ i Kib Zvnj
`Leb Avcbvi bB Gi Kvbv kl bB| KviY wekvj GB cw_exi
KZUzKzB ev Avcwb ARb KiZ cviQb? GKUv cvIqvi ci gb ne
Aviv AbKwKQzB Zv cvIqvi evwK _K Mj Ges Avcwb nxbbZvi
GK Ab P AvewZZ neb|
hw` ek fvjv AvwQ ejZ cvib, hZ ejZ cvieb, nxbbZv
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cvwi vi Lyj è|
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bv ZvwKq wbRi Yi w`K ZvKvb| YjvK weKwkZ Kib| hLb
Avcbvi Yjv mgv`Z nZ _vKe Avcbvi Zw evoZ _vKe|
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bv cj `wfw Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : Avcwb nxbbZveva fyMQb| KviY nxbbZvq fyMjB
GKRb gvbyl Abi g~jvqb wbq gv_v Nvgvq ewk Ges QvULvUv welq
wbq ewk wPv Ki| ZvK wVKgZv mvb Ki K_v ejjv wK bv, hZ
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Ki LZ w`jv wK bv, ZvKvbvi ga Kvbv ZvwQj wQjv wK bv

BZvw`, BZvw`| A_vr wZwb h_vchy ghv`v cjb wK bv| Zvì
nxbbZvi cKvk NU `yeenvii ga w`q|
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GUv wev Ki, Zvnj eySZ ne Avcbvi ivMUv Avmj nxbbZvi,
Zvi eenvi bq| h wRwbmjvK Lye mnRB IfvijyK Kiv hvq,
GKRb gvbyl hLb nxbbZvq fvM ZLb Avi m GZ mnR cvi bv|
hvivB nxbbZvq fvMb Zviv memgq ghv`v mPZb _vKb h,
AvgvK KZUzKz ghv`v `qv njv KZUzKz Aghv`v Kiv njv, AvgvK
LvUv Kiv njv bv eo Kiv njv, AvgvK wK nq Kiv njv, Avgvi cwZ
wVK hZUv nvZ evwoq `qv DwPZ wQjv ZZUv nvZ evwoq w`jv wK bv,
m ìRv _K AvgvK wiwmf Ki wbq MQ bv gvSc_ _K wiwmf
Kijv! hvi nxbbZv bB wZwb GjvZ wKQyB gb Kieb bv|
wiwmf Kij Lye fvjv, bv Kij Aviv fvjv|
Avi Abi gZvgZi gyLvcx nj Avcwb KLbv Avcbvi
Rxebi wbqY MnY KiZ cvieb bv Ges ckvwZ _vKZ cvieb
bv| hgb, Avcwb nqZv Avcbvi cQ`gZv GKUv mvjvqvi KvwgR
wKb evmvq Gm KqKRbK `Lvjb|
`L GKKRb GKKiKg ge Kijv| KD ejjv fvjv
nqQ, KD ejjv gvUvgywU, Avevi KD ejjv GKUzI fvjv nq wb|
ZvgvK Zv GK`g gvbve bv| KD Avevi Kvbv ge bv Ki Mxi
nq iBjv| GZ aibi cwZwqv `L Avcwb wev nq Mjb| GZ
cQ` Ki `vg w`q Kbv Kvco Avi GLb fvjv jvMQ bv|
gZvgZ KLbv GKiKg ne bv| `Leb evRvi meaibi wRwbmB
cvIqv hvq| Avcbvi KvQ hUvK Lye evR ej gb nq, mUvKB `vg
w`q wKb wbQ AviKRb| Avevi Avcbvi hUv cQ` mUv `LB
AviKRb bvK wmuUKvQ| KviY nqZv AvcbvK GKUz AwiZvq dj
m GKaibi Avb` cZ PvBQ|
Gmg Lye mivmwi ejeb, `Lyb fvB ev Avcv, Avwg Zv
cQ` Ki wKbZ cvwi bv| Gici _K evRvi wMq Avgvi Rb
Avcbvi hUv cQ` mUvB wKb Avbeb| `Leb, Avcbvi cQì
cvkvK ci Avwg Lye myìfve Avcbvi mvgb Avmev| ZLb
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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AvcbviI KZ fvjv jvMe! Gfve hLbB ejeb, `Leb m Avi

AvcbvK ejZ AvmQ bv| KviY ejZ GjB Zv ZvK Avcbvi Rb
wKb w`Z ne|
A_vr AgyK Kx eje mUv iZc~Y bq, iZc~Y nQ Avcwb h
KvRUv KiQb mB KvRUv bwZK wK bv, mB KvRUv Avcbvi Rb
KjvYKi wK bv, mB KvRUv gvbyli Rb KjvYKi wK bv| em| Avi
wKQy Avcbvi `Lvi ìKvi bB|
Avcwb KvivUv LvbI bv, KvivUv cibI bv| AZGe Kviv
Abygv`bi Ici Avcbvi wbfi Kivi Kvbv cqvRb bB| Rxeb
GB cvQ jvK wKQy ejkvbv _K Avcwb hZ weiZ _vKZ
cvieb ZZ Avcwb mdj neb, ZZ Avcwb GB kKj _K wbRK
wQb KiZ cvieb|
ck : Avgvi mvjvg beb, Avwg Lye bvfvm wQjvg| Kvm Kivi ci
wbqwgZ gwWUkb Ki wKQy DbwZ njv, cyivcywi bvfvmbm gy nZ
cvwi wb| hgb emi mvgb, BUviwfD evW Ges gqì mvgb
cPzi bvfvm eva Kwi|
Di : em, BUviwfD evW Ges gq A_vr bvfvmbmi welq hv-B
nvK bv Kb, KviY GKUvB h, Avcwb wbRK wbq nxbbZvq
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Kijv bv Kijv Zv wbq Avcbvi Kvbv gv_ve_v bB| Avcwb Zv-B
Kieb hv Avcbvi weeK, g~jeva, bwZKZv AvcbvK mg_b Ki|
mBmv_ wbqwgZ gwWUkb I KvqvUvg evqvg Kieb|
ck : iO Kvjv nj Kxfve nxbbZv _K gy nev?
Di : ay dmv njB myì nq bv| dmv gvbyl hgb myì nZ cvi
Zgwb kvgjv ev Kvjv iOi gvbylI myì nZ cvi| AbK kvgjv
ev KeYi gvbyl iqQ hvì w`K ZvKvj PvL divbv KwVb nq|
m`hi gvcKvwV nQ Pnvivi KgbxqZv| GUv nQ evwnK| Avi
Avcbvi fZi hw` m`h _vK, Avcbvi Pnviv hv-B nvK Abiv
380
Avcbvi cwZ AvK neB| hfve gnvgvbeiv Abì AvK KiQb|

A_vr Avcwb hw` Avcbvi mrmvK RvMZ KiZ cvib, Avcbvi Mvqi
iO hv-B nvK GUv wbq Avcbvi wPv KiZ ne bv| Avi GLb Zv
dmvK BDivc ev AvgwiKvq m`h ej gb Kiv nq bv| h KviY
Zviv Avevi mgy`Zxi wMq UvbW& nq|
GUv nQ Avcbvi `wfw| Avi Abiv hw` ej Zvnj fveeb
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Avcwb YK weKwkZ Kib| gvbyl Avcbvi KvQB hve| hgb, kL
mv`x `LZ gvUB myì wQjb bv| jZv gykKii PnvivI myì
bq| wK ZvZ Zvì f-Abyii Kvbv Afve nq wb|
ck : hLb Avwg Avgvi wPv-fvebv wQq KvDK ejZ cvwi bv ev
hLb Avwg Lye Drmvn wbq Kvbv K_v ejZ PvB wK KD bZ Pvq
bv, ZLb wbRK ek iZnxb I Amnvq gb nq, G aibi gbvfve
_K ei nq Avmvi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Avcwb fvjv kvZv nq hvb| 90% mgq Avcwb beb| Avi
10% Avcwb ejeb| A_vr Avcwb Lye Kg K_v ejb Ges fvjv
K_v ejb| `Leb Avcbvi cwZ mevB AvK nQ| KviY, ej
mevB| kvbvi jvKB Kg| mRbB fvjv kvZvK mevB cQ` Ki|
AZGe Avcwb kvZvi `j Pj hvb| ejv wbq wPv Kieb bv| Zvnj
Avcwb cfvweZ KiZ cvieb|
Avjm I `xNm~wZv
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AbKUv ZvM KiZ ciwQ| Kxfve Aviv Zrci nZ cviev?
Di : Avgvì mnRvZ GKwU ceYZv njv Avjm| Kvbv KvR bv
Ki mgq KvUvbv hvq Kxfve| mgqvbyeZx nq mycwiKwZfve
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ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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nq Kgi ga w`q, cZb nq Avjmi ga w`q|
Avcbviv `Lyb, ivgvbiv GKUv mgq Z`vbxb mg BDivc I
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euvwk evRvwQjb| ivgK iv Kivi Rb h cwZ ìKvi m cwZ
Zvi wQjv bv KviY Zvi Avjm I weKZ wejvwmZv| wVK AvQ, cyoQ,
cyoK| `Lv hvK Zvici Kx nq! H h `yB Avjmi M AvQ bv!
GKRbi wcV Avb jMQ, wcV cyoQ| m wcV cvo bv ej
msc wc cv ejjv| AviKRb GZ Ajm h, cvjvZ h eje Zv
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Nyi kvI| ZeyI DVe bv| GZ Ajm!
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Dcgnv`ki wewfb Aj GK GK Ki `Lj Ki wbwQjv ZLb
Avgvì beve, ivRv, ev`kviv Kx KiwQjb| fvM wejvm Ges Avjm
Mv fvwmq w`wQjb| mvZ mgy` Zi b`x cwiq BsiRiv G
Dcgnv`k kvmb Ki MQ ay Avgvì Avjmi KviY|
AvgvìI wK Kvbv wKQyi Afve bB ay cwikgi Afve Qvov|
GLbv Avgvì Rbwcq Mvb nQ Kwd nvDmi mB AvvUv AvR Avi
bB| Kwd nvDRi Avv w`q Kx ne? Kwd nvDRi Avv gvb Zv
MxeZ Qvov Avi wKQy bv|
Kwd nvDRi AvvUv fO Mj, gvb Ajm mgq KvUvZ cvijvg
bv| GRb `ytL| Rxebvb` `vki KweZv, Avgvq RvwMI bv Avgvq
NygvZ `vI, Ges ci kvbv MQ Dwb Uvg gvb VjvMvwoi wbP co
gviv MQb| Uvg hLb AvmwQjv ZLbv nqZv Dwb ejwQjb, AvgvK
gvwiI bv AvgvK NygvZ `vI|
Avjm nQ WmwUbkb nj| Rvnvbvg hvIqvi ivRc_| Avjm
Avgvì RxebK ewZ KiQ| KviY mgq + KvR = Rxeb| mgq +
AKvR/ KzKvR = Rxebbvk| Rxebbvk gvb Rxebi mvebv bvk Ges
GB Avjm nQ kqZvbi mePq eo A|
382
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myLx Rxeb| Ges gbQwe `LZ ne h, Avwg Lye `Z, Lye myìfve,
mgq Abymvi KvR KiwQ| Avi cwZw`b mKvj gwWUkb wMq
mvivw`bi Kx Kx KvR Avcwb Kieb, Kxfve Kieb, KZUv mgq wbq
Kieb GUvK wfRyqvjvBR Kib, gbQwe Zwi Kib| `Leb KvRi
MwZ eo MQ| fZi _K GKUv Zvobv Avme| KviY eb cvMvg
wdW Ki w`j eb KvR Ki|
ivZ Avevi gwWUkb wMq `LZ ne h, KvRUv Avwg mwVK
mgqi ga wK KiwQjvg? hw` Ki _vKb wbRK abev` w`b|
Kbvq gbi evwoZ Avg Rvg djg~j hv wKQy AvQLvb| A_vr gb,
ZzB Avgvi KvRUv wVKgZv Ki w`qwQm, GRb GB cyivi| Avi hw`
`Lv hvq h, KvR nq wb ev QvULvUv A wKQy nqQ| AvQv wVK
AvQ AvRK gvd Ki w`jvg| KvjK Kwim wVKgZv| Zv bv nj
wbRK kvwi eev KiZ ne| Dg kvw nQ gvwUi evsK `vb|
Avmj Rxeb GB Avjm nQ AMMwZi c_ GKwU cavb evav|
GK bî k nQ ivM Avi AvjmK k bv ej Pvivevwj ejv
fvjv| KviY AvjmK `Lv hvq bv| wK GKevi hw` Avcwb Wveb
Avcwb gk wbPi w`K bvgZ _vKeb| Ajm gvbyl KLbv eo KvR
KiZ cvi bv|
ck : gwWUkbi gvSLvb Avgvi Lye Nyg cvq Ges gwWUkb kl
nvB ZzjZ _vwK| gwWUkb kl nIqvi ci gb nq GKUz Nywgq wbB|
Avgvi gwWUkb nq wK nq bv?
Di : Avcbvi wkw_jvqb nq bv| Avcbvi Nygvqb nq| NygKvZiZvi
cwiYvg wbq mywdì GKUv Lye myì M AvQ| MUv nQGKRb
Lye fvjv gvbyl| Rxeb Kvbv Lvivc KvR Ki wb fvjv KvR Qvov|
Zvi mgmv GKUvB wQjv Avi Zv njv Nyg| bvgvR Nyg, wRwKi Nyg
GgbwK em _vKjI Nyg|
jvKwU gviv Mj| wePvii mgq `Lv Mj Zvi Rxeb Kvbv
Aciva bB, Abi cwZ Kvbv Ryjyg bB, cZviYv, RyqvPzwi bB| ay
GB NygKvZiZv Qvov Avi mewKQyB Zvi fvjv| mve njv h, m
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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enkZ hve| wK ZvK hZ ne nuU| m nuvUv i Kijv|

enkZi ìRvq Gm hLb avv w`jv, fZi _K AvIqvR Gjv,
wKQyYi ga ìRv Lvjv ne| Zzwg Zwi _vKv|
m fvejv h, GZUv nuU GmwQ, GKUz Mwoq wbB| ìRv Lyjj
Zv Ui cvevB| GB fe GKUz MovMwo hZB Nywgq cojv m| Nyg
Zv Nyg, gnv Nyg|
Nyg fvOjv Zvi GK cP AvIqvR| Avi mB AvIqvR wQjv ìRv
e nIqvi| m jvd w`q DV ìRvq avv w`Z jvMjv| fZi _K
ZLb Reve GjvenkZi ìRv Lvjv nqwQjv, wK Zv e nq
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GZ hw` Nyg cvq `Lv hve h, enkZi ìRvq wMqI Avcwb
enkZ XyKZ cviQb bv|
gwWUkb Nygvbv wK AbKUv miKgB| Nywgq coj Avcwb
gwWUkbi Avb` _K, cvw _K ewZ _vKQb| Avi GB NygK
wbqYi Rb AvcbvK KVvi c`c wbZ ne| cqvRb ùvwoq
gwWUkb Kib Ges mePq fvjv nQ cvmb gwWUkb| cvmb
gwWUkb Kij Nyg cvIqvi mvebv Lye Kg|
ck : Avjmi KviY Kx? Avjm KvUvZ Kvb gwWUkb Kiev?
Di : Avjmi g~j KviY AMZ nZvkv| nZvkv hLb AePZb i
Pj hvq, ZLb Gi cKvk nq Avjm Ges `xNm~wZvi ga w`q|
nZvkvK Rq KiZ cvij, Avb`K Avcbvi AwZi mv_ GKvKvi
KiZ cvij, Kvbv Kvw _vKe bv, Avjm _vKe bv, `xNm~wZv
_vKe bv| AwZi mv_ wekvm Ges Avb`K GKwZ Kivi RbB
Avbì gwWUkb|
GB gwWUkb Avb`K Avgiv Kwkwbs Kwi hvZ gyn~Z hKvbv
cwZKjZv, mgmv ev evavi gyL wbRi fZi _K Avb`K wbq
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Avb`K wbq AvmZb| GQvov AUvmvRkb eBq Avjm I
`xNm~wZvK Rq Kivi Rb AbKwj AUvmvRkb iqQ| Gjvi
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jvK wKQy ej fvev| Kxfve gyw cvev?
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eev Kib| cwZw`bi iwUb Kib| mnR iwUb Kieb hv Avcbvi
c AbymiY Kiv me| KviY iwUb KiZ wMq Avgiv AbK mgq
Ggb KVvi iwUb Ki dwj hv eve AbymiY Kiv nqZv me bq|
GRb Ggb GKUv iwUb Kieb hv Avcwb AbymiY KiZ cvieb|
Gevi cwZw`b GKUz GKUz Ki Pv Kib iwUbi ga _vKZ|
wVKgZv cvjb KiZ cvij wbRK abev` w`b, cyiZ Kib| Avi
hw`b iwUb cvjb KiZ cvijb bvwbRi Rb kvwi eev Kib|
Avi cvQ jvK wKQy ejGUv nQ msKvP, RoZv| msKvP,
RoZvi h gwWUkb [9bs wmwW mvBW-we] wbqwgZ Kib| wbqwgZ
mvnmi gwWUkb [2bs wmwW mvBW-we] Kib| `LybfqjvK wjL
wQuo Rvwjq cywoq Avcwb mvnmx nq KvR KiQb|
ck : Mvb Kiv ev Ljvayjv Kiv wK AjmZvi ga co? Aemi mgq I
Ajm mgq KvUvbvi cv_KUv Kv_vq?
Di : bv, Ljvayjv Avjmi ga co bv| dzUej Ljvq Avjm _vK
bv| ò ò ò ILvb| nuvcvZ nuvcvZ Avcbvi Avjm _vKe
bv| Ljvayjv Avjmi ga co bv| Avi Mvb hw` wbR Kib mUvI
GKUv PPv, GKUv mvabv| Mvb MvIqv, Avew Kiv GUv GKUv Kjv, GUv
GKUv AvU| hKvbv AvUi PPv KiZ cvib|
Avmj eZvB Rxeb| h Rxeb KvR bB mUv Kvbv Rxeb bq|
GKUvB Rxeb| GLvb Aemii Kvbv myhvM _vKvB DwPZ bq| GKRb
gvbyl memgq KvR Kieb, nq wbRi KjvY, bv nq Abi KjvY|
ZvnjB wZwb fvjv _vKeb| myL _vKeb| Avi Ajm mgq _vKj
Zvi gw kqZvbi KviLvbv nq AkvwB evove|
ck : Nyg wK GK aibi Avjm? Avwg mKvj QqUv _K weKj PviUv/
cuvPUv ch KjR, mvii evmv BZvw` wbq e _vwK| evmvq Gm
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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385
Nyg cvq wK Avwg gvUvgywU cov kl bv Ki NygvB bv| hLb Nywgq

cwo, gv-evev eKvewK Ki| GUv wK Kvbv AjmZv?
Di : Avmj Nyg KZY nIqv DwPZ? GKRb gvbyl hw` GKNv
gwWUkb Ki Zvnj Zvi Nyg cuvP _K Qq Nvi ewk nIqv DwPZ
bq| Gi Pq ewk Nyg GjB mUv Avjm|
ck : wUwf `Lv wK Avjm nZ cvi?
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Kbv Kwi bv, AvKvkKzmyg Kbv `wL| KviY AvKvkKzmyg Kbv Kivi
RbI h kg ìKvi, h wPv ìKvi mUvI Avgiv KiZ PvB bv|
hgb, AvKvkKzmyg Kbv KiZ nj AvgvK fveZ ne h, cixi
mv_ Do eovjvg, cixi ivR Pj Mjvg BZvw` BZvw`| wK
Avgiv m KbvUzKz Kivi KI Kwi bv| Avgiv Ajm mgq KvUvB Ges
Gi Rb Avgvì Avevi hywi Kvbv Afve nq bv|
Avgiv AbK ewjKvR Ki Kx ne, Avwg Zv PvKwi cvev bv|
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Bjv-gvMbwUK iwWqkbi Rb| G evcvi Avcbvi AwfgZ Kx?
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391
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cksmvi jvf/ AnsKvi

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KvRB AnsKvi _K `~i _vKeb| hKvbv fvjv KvR Kij ev
Gi Rb Ab KD cksmv Kij mv_ mv_ kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
405
ev _vsKm MW ev cfy abev` ejeb| ZvnjB `Leb Avcwb

AnsKvigy _vKZ cviQb| Avi Avmj mewKQyB Zv Avj-vni| ev`vi
wK AnsKvi Kivi wKQy AvQ?
G wbq nRiZ gymv (Av)-Gi GKwU NUbv AvQ|
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Avgvi BQv c~iY KiZ|
gymv (Av) ejjb, Kx Zvgvi BQv? jvKwU ZLb ejjv, MZ 100
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gymv (Av) ejjb, wVK AvQ, Avwg Avj-vni KvQ Zvgvi G AvwR
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KvQ RvbZ PvBZB Mvqe _K fm Gjv, n gymv! H ewK ej
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Avgvi wbRi Rb mvgvb wKQy cvwb AvQ| mUv w`Z cvwi| wK Zvi
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406
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gymv (Av) Zv-B Kijb|
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me cyY AviKRbK w`q w`qwQ| gymv (Av) ejjb, Avwg Rvwb|
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ZvgvK hZ cvwb cvb KwiqQb Zvi g~j Kx ne?
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wZKi bq?
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ce 1 \ gwWUkb
407
Avmj hLb gvbyl weRq `L ZLb Kx Ki? imwjsq GKRb

AbRbK wcwUq bvvbvey` Kivi ci Kx Ki? GBw`K nvZ Zzj
wPrKvi Ki, Hw`K nvZ Zzj wPrKvi Ki h, `L! GKUv gyiwMI hLb
wWg cvo ZLb KK KK Ki, gb nq h `ywbqv Rq Ki djQ|
Avb` GZB AvZnviv nq h, cvivi cQbi Avi me KvhKviY fyj
hvq| gb Ki h, m~Y KwZZUv Zvi|
Avgvì bZviv hLb ee ivLb Kgxì K_v KLbv KLbv
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evwoq `b? bv Ibvi Qwe hvZ wVKfve IV mUvi evcvi AvM
wbwZ nb? wZwb AvM wbRi Qwe wbwZ KiZ Pvb A_vr cwKvZ
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bexRxi wkv nQ h, KwZZ wbR wbZ MjB Ang Avme Ges Ang
GjB cZbi m~Pbv ne|
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h wQbZvB nq wb| Zvi gvb Avcwb LyeB AmZK|
A_vr Pj gvUi mvBKj _K hw` co hZ cvib Zvi gvb
408
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GUv nQ Avcbvi eLqvjxcbv| ZvB memgq mZK _vKeb| G
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Avcwb AZ Ui cvb h, Avgvi gvevBj KD wbq hvQ|
AbykvPbv/ DiY
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Rxeb AveMi ek mxgvjNb Ki iZi cvc Ki djwQjvg| G
AbykvPbv, G cvceva mvivY Ggbfve Zvov Ki eovq h, eZgvb
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hvq ZLb G AbykvPbv Zvi Kvbv KjvY Avm bv|
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KvRi cwqvi Kvbv Am~YZv wQjv| AZGe AvcbvK GB wZKi
AbykvPbv ev cvceva _K ewiq AvmZ ne h, AZxZ cvci
KviY Avcwb e_ nQb| wbqwgZ KvqvUvqb Kib| wbRK evSvb
h, Avcwb AbykvPbv KiQb Ges mv AekB AvcbvK gv Kieb|
Avmj mvdji mv_ cvc-cyYi Kvbv mK bB| Lvivc KvR
mvmxiv, AbvqKvixiv mdj nQ Kxfve? mvdj wbRB GKUv MwZ|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
409
mvdj wbfi Ki KvRUv elwqKfve KZUv hywhyfve Kiv nQ

Zvi Ici| cwiYwZ nqZv Avjv`v Avjv`v nZ cvi| hgb, GKRb
Aeafve DcvRb KiZ cvi| Gi Lvivc cwiYwZ ZvK fvM KiZ
ne| wK DcvRb Zvi wVKB nqwQjv|
ZvB AvwiKfve AbykvPbv Kieb| mvi KvQ Abvq Ki
_vKj Zvi KvQ gv Pvb| wZwb gvkxj, gv KiZ fvjevmb|
Avi hw` Abi KvQ Abvq Ki _vKb, Zvnj Zvi KvQ wMq
gvd Pq wbb h, fvB, Avwg Abvq Ki djwQ, AvgvK gvd Ki
`vI| Avi m hw` gviv wMq _vK Zvnj Avcwb h fvjv KvR Kieb
Zvi me mIqve ZvK w`q w`b| KviY euP _vKv AevqB AbykvPbvi
g~j AvQ, gZzi ci AbykvPbv Kvbv KvR Avme bv| Ze Gici
eve `wfw wbq Suvwcq coeb hvZ KvR mdj nZ cvib|
ck : Avgvi gqi eqm Pvi eQi| heb Avgvi PvwiwK `vl wQjv|
gwWUkb Kvm Kivi ci Avwg fyj eySZ ci ZIev KiwQ I
Avj-vni ingZ mme _K gy nqwQ| Avgvi gqi ivwk I nvZi
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h cvc KiQb Zvi cvqw eva nq Avcbvi gqK w`q ne|
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gqi Rxeb hb Kjylgy nq|
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efve evLv Kiv hvq Ges GKB iLv GKKRbi nvZ GKK A_
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Avcwb hnZz gwWUkb Rvbb, ZvB Kgv mUvi gqi Rb
memgq `vqv Kieb| m mr gvbyl ne|
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wQjv Qq/ mvZ eQi AvM Kiv Avgvi GKwU Abvq| wbRK AbK
410
ai wbqI Avwg Avgvi msmvi UKvZ cvwi wb| fxlY msKUgq mB

mgq KvqvUvg AvgvK bZzbfve euvPvi ^c `Lvq| KVvi msMvg
Ki Avwg GLb ghv`vc~Y GKwU Rxebi w`K GwQ| Qq/ mvZ gvm
ci wcGBPwW i Kiev| Ggwb mgq Avgvi AZxZ Rxebi Kvjv
Aavqjv Avevi Avgvi RxebK `yweln Ki ZzjZ PvBQ| fq nq
hw` Zv AveviI Avgvi Rxeb So Zvj, AvgvK gv-evev, cwievicwiRb nvivZ nq| ZLb Avwg Kxfve euP _vKev? Avgvi cwievi h
Avgvi kl Avkqj| Avwg Kgb Ki AZxZ NUbvjv _K gyw
cvev? Avwg fyjZ PvBjI mgvR AvgvK fyjZ `q bv Kb?
Di : h Kviv Rxeb fyj nZB cvi| hLb KD mwZKvifve
AbykvPbv Ki, ZLb mv ZvK gv Ki `b| Ze mvi gv cvIqv
MjI AbK mgq gvbyli gv AZ mnR cvIqv hvq bv| wK mUv
wbq Avdmvmi wKQy bB| KviY KD fyj Kivi ci mUv wbq
AbykvPbv Kij Ges mB fyji cybivew bv Kij, mUvB Avj-vni
gv I KiYv cvIqvi Rb h_|
KviY AZxZ wbq bq, euvPZ nq fwelr wbq| Avi ZvZ hw` evevgv, cwievi-cwiRbK mge_x wnme cvIqv hvq, Zviv hw` gvi
`wZ `L mnhvMx nZ cvib Zvnj fvjv| Ab_vq euvPZ ne
wbRi cwiPqB| hvMZv ARbi gvag gavK mevq icvwiZ
KiZ ne|
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Zvì Awe`vi KviY, v aviYv ev ZvivI `y`kvi e AvemB
KviY| Avi gv-evev bv _vKj eo wKQy Kiv hve bv G aviYvI v|
KviY gv-evev _K AbK `~i wMqI gvbyl eo wKQy KiQ|
hgb gv`vi Zimv| Avjewbqvi GK wQbcj-x _K wZwb QyU
GmwQjb fviZ, wgkbvwiR Ad PvwiwUi gvag `vwi`wK gvbyli
gyL nvwm dzwUqQb, iYxq-eiYxq nqQb| Zvi gv-evev wK Zvi
m wQjb?
Avmj cwievi bq, esk cwiPq bq, mgvRi mevi AvcvZ cksmv ev
^xKwZ bq, gnvb KvRB gvbylK Agi Ki, kq Ki|
AZGe AZxZ bq, Avcbvi Rb iZc~Y njv fwelr hv wbavwiZ
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
411
ne Avcwb gavK KZUv wekvmi mv_ mvi mwi Rb mwi

mevq eq Kijb| Avi ZLbB Avcbvi mg `ytL-M-vwb fm hve|
ck : bwQ, Abvq Kij Zvi dj cZB ne, ay mgqi evcvi|
wK AbykvPbv KijI wK dj cZ ne?
Di : me AbykvPbvB Abvqi cwZdj cvIqv _K iv KiZ cvi
bv, Avcwb hw` Kviv AwaKvi jsNb Ki _vKb Zvnj AbykvPbvi
cvkvcvwk AvcbvK cwZKviI KiZ ne|
AvwiK AbykvPbv I h_vh_ cwZKvi Kij Avj-vn gv Ki
w`ZI cvib| Avi cKZ AbykvPbv nQ fyji cybivew bv Kiv|
Avmj kqZvb Ges gvbyli ga ZdvZ nQ kqZvb AbykvPbv
KiZ cvi bv, kqZvbi KLbv AbykvPbv nq bv| Avi gvbyli GKUv
mnRvZ Y nQ h, m fyj eySZ cvi, AbykvPbv KiZ cvi Ges
ZIev KiZ cvi| ZvB AvwiKfve AbykvPbv Kib| weiZ _vKzb
fyji cybivew _K| Zvici Avj-vni gvi Acv KiZ _vKzb|
ck : AZvekZ h evPv b KiwQ Zvi Rb Kvbv cvc nqQ wK?
cvc nq _vKj Zv _K cwivYi Dcvq Kx?
Di : AZvekZ h evPv b KiQb mUv Zv fyj KiQb| GLb
Avi mUvK wdwiq Avbvi Dcvq bB| GLb hv Kivi AvQ Zv njv
GB fyji cvqw Kiv| Avi Zvi Dcvq njv jvgvi wkKvbbi GKwU
wki AvwZK gv ev AvwZK evev nIqv| Avcbvi wKQz A_i Ae`vb
wkwU h AvjvwKZ ne mUvB Avcbvi cvcgvPb Ki è|
mvaviYZ AbykvPbv ejZ Avgiv AbK eywS h, mvivY eva nq
ay AvnvRvwi Avi Avdmvm Kiv| Avmj Zv bq| GKRb gvbyl fyj
KiZB cvi| wK eywgvb gvbyl fyji cybivew Ki bv| mwZKvi
AbykvPbv GUvB| Avi mBmv_ GLb hw` mvg_ _vK Zvnj Ab
Kvbvfve Zvi wZc~iY ev cvqw Kiv|
ck : Avwg Lye QvULvUv evcviB Acivaeva fywM| GKmgq Zv GK
aibi gvbwmK mgmvq cwiYZ nq| Kxfve G _K gyw cZ cvwi?
412
Di : Avmj Ggb gvbyl bB h fyj Ki wb| Rxebi Kvbv bv

Kvbv chvq gvbyl fyj Ki, Abi Abyf~wZK AvnZ Ki, Abi cwZ
AwePvi Ki| Abvq ev fyji djkwZZ mw nq cvceva ev
AbykvPbv| GB cvceva ev AbykvPbvK BwZevPKfve KvR jvMvZ
bv cvij gvivZK gbv`wnK cwZwqv mw KiZ cvi|
cvceva AvZwekvm b Ki, AvZmvbevaK asm Ki, Rxebi
Avb`K gvwU Ki w`Z cvi| cvceva mK b Kiv _K i Ki
RwUj ivMGgbwK Kvvi mwiI KviY nZ cvi| A_P GKUz Pv
KijB cvceva ev AbykvPbvK Avcwb BwZevPK kwZ icvwiZ
KiZ cvib|
KqKwU c`c MnY Ki Avcwb Abvqvm cvcevaK fwelr
mvdji wfwZ icvwiZ KiZ cvib| Avcbvi cvceva ev
AbykvPbvB nq DVZ cvi Avcbvi AvZwbgvYi nvwZqvi|
c_gZ, cvcevaK mZK msKZ wnme weePbv Kib| hKvbv
cvceva gb Kwiq `q h, wKQz GKUv fyj nq hvQ| hLbB
cvceva AvcbvK cQb wdi ZvKvZ, wbRi KvR chvjvPbv KiZ,
wbRi AvPiY cwieZb KiZ Dy Ki ZLb AbykvPbv Avcbvi GK
bî wg cwiYZ nq|
cLvZ gvwKb MvqK bBj Wvqg-Gi K_v aib| 1972 mvj
bBj Wvqg hLb LvwZi kxl ZLb wZwb msMxZ RMr _K Pvi
eQii weiwZ wbq wbjb| KviY wQjv weeKi `skb|
wZwb wbRK ejjb, c_g weq ZvjvK nqQ| wZxq weqI fO
hvK GUv Avwg PvB bv| wZwb cyiv 48 gvm KvUvjb wbRK wbq, xmvbì wbq| bBj Wvqg GB weiwZi gvag GKB fyji cybivew
iva Kijb| Pvi eQi ci wZwb wbRK Avwevi Kijb ckv I myLx
gvbyl wnme| g wZwb cjb AvMi Pq AbK mnR mvejxjZv|
ew wnmeI wZwb njb AvMi Pq AgvwqK fvjv gvbyl|
wZxqZ, cvcevai iZ Abyfe Kib| cvceva ev AbykvPbvq
mvov w`q GKRb gvbyl hLb wbRi fyj wZKi AvgYvZK
welvZK I asmvZK AvPiYK mskvab Ki ZLb GB cvcevaB
AvZ Dbqbi mnvqK kwZ icvwiZ nq| ZvB wbRi cwZ ev
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
413
gvbyli cwZ Kvbv fyj ev Abvq Kij AekB AbykvPbv Kiv DwPZ|
AbykvPbvB g`K fvjvq icvwiZ Kivi gZv ivL|
ZZxqZ, cvcevaK wek-lY Kib| mZKZvi mv_ wek-lY Ki
cvcevaK Kgvbv ev mskvab Kiv hZ cvi| GgbwK Zv cyivcywi
`~i Kiv hZ cvi| KgRxex gwnjv bvmixb gq Amy njB
cvceva fyMZb| wZwb PvKwi Kib| gqi hZ wVKfve wbZ cvib
bv, ZvB gq Amy nq| GB wQjv Zvi aviYv|
wZwb G mgmvi K_v Rvbvj Avwg cyiv welqwUKB eveZvi
AvjvK wek-lY Ki `LZ ejjvg| wZwb `Ljb PvKwi Qo w`j
gqK wbq Rxeb aviY Kivi weK Kvbv Avqi Drm Zvi bB|
ZvB PvKwi Qo `qv Zvi c me bq| hnZz GUv me bq, ZvB G
wbq cvceva I AbykvPbv KiviI Kvbv hyw bB| bvmixb hnZz
cvcevaK eveZvi AvjvK wek-lY KiQb Ges eySZ ciQb
GwU Zvi BQvKZ Kvbv Aciva bq, ZvB GB cvceva Zvi ev Zvi
gqi Rxeb Avi Kvbv wZKi cfve djZ cvi wb|
PZy_Z, hywmZ KvR Kib| wbRi cvceva wek-lY Ki m
evcvi hywmZ c`c MnY Kib| wKQz KiZ cvib wb ev Kvbv
fyj Ki djQbGB Acivaeva `~i Kivi Rb mskvabg~jK
c`c MnY Kib| cqvRb gv Pvb, fyj kvaivbvi myhvM _vKj
fyj mskvab Ki wbb| Acivaeva hb AvcbvK Ggb wKQz bv Kivq
hv AhwK I AcqvRbxq|
AvgwiKvi NUbv GwU| GK abvX ew Zvi gZ fvBqi mgvwa
evwbqwQjv, cv_ii Zwi cgvY mvBR gvwmwWR e Mvwoi gWj
w`q| `Lj gb ne GKwU gvwmwWR Mvwo ùvwoq AvQ| fvi GKwU
gv cv_ii L _K GK eQi cwikg Ki Mvwoi gWj Zwi Kib|
LiP co Avgvì UvKvq 80 j UvKv| GwU Zwii KviY nQ
f`jvKi fvB Mvwoi Rb Ave`vi KiwQjb| eZvi KviY AvR
w`B Kvj w`B Ki Kbv nq wb| Gi gaB `yNUbvq fvB gviv hvq|
f`jvK AbykvPbvq co hvb| ZvB wbRi Acivaevai gvj wnme
fvBqi Keii Ici cv_ii gvUiMvwo ewmq `b|
GUv GK aibi Pig eev| GK cvMjvwgI ejv hvq| Gme bv
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Ki wZwb hw` UvKvUv AvZgvbeZvi mevq `vb KiZb, Zvnj gvbyli

DcKvi nZv Avi Zvi fvBqi AvZvI kvw cZ| Avcbvi ejvq
KLbv Ggb NUbv NUj AvZgvbeZvi KjvYg~jK KvR A_ eq
Kib| gZi AvZv kvw cve|
cgZ, KD fyji Ea bq| cw_exZ Ggb Kvbv gvbyl bB h
fyj Ki wb| ZvB KLbv fyj Ki djj fyj ^xKvi Kib| gv Pq
wbb| wbRK gv Ki w`b| memgq gb ivLeb, Avcwb fyji Ea
bb| Avcwb fyj KiZ cvib| ZvB fyj wbq AnZzK I AcqvRbxq
AbykvPbv Kieb bv| gv PvIqv I gv Kivi ga w`q bZzbfve
mewKQz i Kib|
lZ, fyj _K wkv wbb| GKB fyji cybivew ay wbevaivB
Ki _vK| eywgvbiv memgq wbRi fyj _K wkv bq| fyji
cybivew _K weiZ _vK| ZvB GKB fyj ev GKB Acivai cybivew
hvZ bv NU m evcvi mZK _vKzb|
mgZ, ZIev Kib| Kvbv Aciva ev cvc Ki djj
AvwiKfve AbykvPbv Kib| cig KiYvgqi KvQ cv_bv Kib|
Avcbvi cvc gvPbi Rb KiYvgqi mvnvh wbb| Avcwb Rvbb mv
gvkxj| gv nQ mvi mePq eo Y| Avcbvi hKvbv cvcK
wZwb gv Ki w`Z cvib| ZvB AvwiKfve AbykvPbv Kib| ZIev
AvcbvK beRvZ wki gZv wbvc I mvebvgq Ki Zzje|
AgZ, me fyj hvb| mvebvgq fwelZ hvv Kib : fyj
mskvab I AvPiY cwieZb Kivi Rb cqvRbxq me c`c MnY
Kivi ci cvceva ev Acivaeva gb _K wbevwmZ Kib| fyj hvb
AZxZ fyjK| mvebvgq fwelZi cvb GwMq hvb| GB fyj hZ
cvivUv AZ iZc~Y| AcivaevaK gb _K cyivcywi we`vq KiZ
cvijB Avcwb KjvYgq bZzb Rxeb i KiZ cvieb|
Acivaeva ev cvceva _K wbRi DiY NUvbvi Rb Ici
Dwj-wLZ Kkj ev c`c AZ KvhKix| Avcwb Abvqvm GB
Kkj AbymiY Ki wbRi Ab mvebvK weKwkZ Ki GK ckv I
gwngvw^Z Rxebi AwaKvix nZ cvib|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
415
RvbvK gvbvq icvi

ck : Rvwb wK gvwb bv, RvbvK Kxfve gvbvq icvi KiZ cviev?
Di : Avmj h Rvbv, h vb gvbvq icvwiZ nq bv mUv Kvbv
Rvbv bq, mUv Kvbv vb bq| wZwb KLbv vbx nZ cvib bv|
vbx, wkwZ ev Avjg wZwbB whwb Rvbb Ges gvbb| wbRi KjvY
Ges Abi KjvY whwb vbK cqvM Kib|
hgb Avcwb gay mK AbK Rvbb, wK KLbv gay Lvb wb,
AvcbvK wK vbx ejv hve? Avevi Avcwb wmMviUi AcKvwiZv
mcK ee w`jb| wK Zvici g _K bgB aivjb GKUv
wmMviU| Avcbvi Rvbv gvbvq icvwiZ njv bv|
GKevi GK bZv g Lye eZv w`wQjb bvix wbhvZbi wei|
`kKì ga Zvi xI wQjb| wK evmvq Gm xi mv_ K_v
KvUvKvwUi GK chvq DwRZ nq wZwb xi Mvq nvZ Zzjjb|
Kuv`Z Kuv`Z x ejjbg h K_vjv ejj mjv Kx? ^vgx
ejjb, Ijv Ab bvixì Rb, Zvgvi Rb bq|
Avgiv GB ceYZv _K eivZ PvB| kvkZ mZi h K_vjv
Avgiv Rvwb, Zv Avgiv gvbZI PvB| KviY GUvB AvjvwKZ nIqvi
c_| GRb wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ ne| KviY AvZgM nIqv Qvov
wbRi cewK KLbv wbqY Kiv hvq bv| Avi mBmv_ AUvmvRkb
w`Z ne| Rxeb e`ji PvweKvwV AUvmvRkb eBq iqQ nvRviiI
ewk AUvmvRkb| AvQ Gi AwWI wmwW-mU| Avi AvZRvMiY
wmwWZ AvQ evQvB Kiv GKk AUvmvRkbi GKUv msKjb| Gjv
_K eQ wbZ cvib cqvRbxq AUvmvRkbjv| Zvici wbqwgZ
w`Z _vKzb| RvbvK gvbvq icvii Pvq Avcwb mdj neb|
GQvov dvDkbi mv_ GKvZ _vKvi Pv Kib| wbqwgZ
AvjvKvqb, mv`vKvqb, KvqvUvg MvRyqU nj cv Rvjvwj Avi
KvqvUvg gvvi nj mv RvjvwjZ Avmyb| PZbvi K_v Abì
Rvbvbvi RbI KvR Kib| ckv-evmvi ci KvqvwUqvi wnme
hZUv me mgq `qvi Pv Kib| `Leb axi axi Avcbvi
Rvbvjv GKUv GKUv Ki cwZdwjZ nQ Avcbvi Rxeb|
416
Abb gvbyl
ck : AbK fyj Kivi ciI wK AvjvwKZ ev Abb gvbyl nIqv me?
Di : gvbyl Avmj fvjv nqB RbMnY Ki| bexRx (m) fve
ejQb, cZK gvbe wkB fvjv nq Rb| gv-evev ev cwiek
cwiwwZ viv nq m fvjvfve weKwkZ nq, bq Zv Lvivcfve
weKwkZ nq| wK hw` Zvi fvjv cewjvK Zzj aiv hvq, fvjv
ceYZvK ei Ki Avbv hvq Zvnj wbtm`n Rxebi hKvbv i
_K m fvjv nZ cvi|
GKRb gvbyl PvBj h KZ wbPz Aev _KI gnr Rxeb DbxZ
nZ cvi Zvi GK Av`k D`vniY nRiZ dvRvqj Beb AvqvR (i)|
AvR _K cvq 1200 eQi AvM mgiL` Zvi Rb| GLb hUv
DRewKvb coQ| hyeK eqm dvRvqj wQjb GKRb c_`my|
gvb c_i WvKvZ| h ivv w`q ZLbKvi gvbyl GK kni _K ev GK
Mvg _K AviK kni ev AviK Mvg hZ, dvRvqj mLvb IuZ
cZ _vKZb| Kvbv gvj`vi cw_K `LjB Svc _K ewiq
Suvwcq coZb Zvì Ici Ges A_-Kwo mvbv-`vbv ev g~jevb hv
wKQy cZb me wQwbq wbZb| KD hw` KLbv evav w`Zv ZvK gvi
LZ nZv| GfveB PjwQjv dvRvqji Rxeb|
GKevi GK myìx gqi cg cob wZwb| GKw`b gqwUi mv_
`Lv Kivi Rb DuPz GKUv `qvji Ici DVQb| Ggb mgq bjb
KD GKRb KviAvb ZjvIqvZ KiQ| KviAvbi evYxjv Zvi
`q Mfxifve iLvcvZ Kijv| mLvb _K Pj Mjb wZwb|
mw`b ivZ Avi WvKvwZ KiZ eivjb bv| Avkq wbjb GKUv
cwiZ cvmv`| nVvr `Lb mLvb KqKRb cw_K em AvQ|
Zvì GKRb ejQ, Pj Avgiv ei nB| AviKRb ejjv, bv, bv GB
ivZ eivj WvKz dvRvqj Avgvì Ici AvgY KiZ cvi|
ZviPq fvi bv nIqv ch GLvb Acv KivB fvjv|
b dvRvqj LyeB wePwjZ nq cojb| Gfve wZwb gvbyli gb
vm mw KiQb! GZ AvZ _vK gvbyl ZvK wbq!
mv_ mv_ wZwb Zvì mvgb wMq ejjb, kvbv fvBqiv
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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417
Avgvi! Zvgvì Kvbv fq bB| AvR _K dvRvqji AvZ _K

Zvgiv gy|
cw_Kiv gyL PvIqv-PvIwq KiZ jvMjv| G K? Kv_v _K
GmQ? Avi ejQB ev Kx? hv-B nvK kl ch Zviv ei njv Ges
wbivc`B evwo cuQjv|
Gici _K dvRvqj nq Mjb GK Ab gvbyl| WvKvwZ Qo
cvwb UvbvK ckv wnme wbjb| gvbyli evwo evwo wMq cvwb fi
w`q AvmZb Ges G _K h DcvRb nZv Zv w`q wbRi I
cwievii fiYcvlY KiZb|
dvRvqj AZxZi cvci Rb Mfxifve AbykvPbv Kijb|
AvMi Rxeb Zvi GKUv Afvm wQjv h, hvi KvQ _K hv wKQy
WvKvwZ KiZb Zvi me wnme ivLZb| GB wnmeUv GLb Zvi Lye
KvR jvMjv| Zvi viv wZM cZKwU gvbylK wZwb cvB cvB Ki
wZc~iY Kijb| hZY bv m Lywk nQ| Ges cZKi KvQ _K
gv Pq wbjb|
Zvi WvKvwZi wkKvi nqwQjv GK Bw`| Bwì `vwe wQjv Zvi
KvQ _K dvRvqj h evMUv wQwbq wbqwQjb mUv fwZ wQjv
mvbv| GB mvbv bv `qv ch m gv Kie bv| GLb dvRvqj
hZB ZvK evSvZ hvb, ZZB m Abo| KZ KvKzwZ-wgbwZ, KZ
Abybq-webq wKQyZB wKQy njv bv|
kl ch GKw`b Bw` ejjv, `L Avwg Avmj cwZv KiwQjvg
h hZY bv Zzwg GK evM mvbv Avgvi nvZ Zzj w`Qv ZZY Avwg
ZvgvK gv Kiev bv| hvnvK Zzwg GK KvR Ki| Avgvi Ni AgyK
RvqMvq GK evM mvbv AvQ| mUv Zzwg Avgvi nvZ Gb `vI| AZ
Avgvi cwZvi K_vUv wVK _vKzK|
dvRvqj Zv-B Kijb| Bwì nvZ evMUv Zzj `qvi ci m
evMUv hLb Lyjjv, Zvi Zv PvL Qvbveov| G Kx! mwZ mwZB `wL
evMi fZi PKPK KiQ myì myì me mvbvi gvni| m-Zv GB
evMi fZi ivv _K gqjv, bvsiv me bywo-cv_i Kzwoq fi
iLwQjv| dvRvqjK m cixv KiZ PvwQjv h, Zvi ZIev
Avmj KZUv AvwiK| KviY ZvIivZ (Bw`ì agM) m coQ
h GKRb gvbyl hLb AvwiKfve ZIev Ki ZLb Zvi nvZi k
418
GgbwK evjyI mvbvq cwiYZ nq| m cixvq dvRvqj h GZ

fvjvfve cvk Ki hve Zv m KbvI Ki wb| Ges GUv h mwZ
mwZ NUjv mUv wekvm KiZI Zvi wKQyUv mgq jvMjv| Ze wekvm
hLb Kijv ZLb cyivcywi wekvm Kijv| Bmjvg MnY Kijv m| Avi
dvRvqj h mwZB GKRb AwjZ icvwiZ nqQb m mv w`jv|
A_vr fvjv nIqvi myhvM, mr cew, mr ^fve GUv gvbyli gvS
Pvcv coZ cvi wK mr cewK KD asm KiZ cvi bv| hKvbv
mgqB mr cewK ei Ki Avbv hvq| mr nIqv hvq| Abb gvbyl
nIqv hvq|
ck : gvbyli Rxebi P~ov mdjZv ev mv_KZv Kv_vq Ges wKm wbwnZ?
Di : Avcbvi Pvicvki gvbyl hw` Avcbvi Rxebi kl A_vr hLb
Avcwb GB Rxeb _K Ab Rxeb cvwo èb ZLb Ai _K Kvbvq
fO co Zvnj eySZ ne h, Avcbvi Rxeb mv_K nqQ| hw` Zv
bv nq Zvnj eySZ ne Avcbvi Rxeb e_ nqQ GB Kvj Ges IB
KvjI| AvRKvj Zv giv evwoZ hvIqvUvI GKUv ivRbxwZ nq MQ
h, ILvb Mj wUwf Kvgiv Avme, Qwe DVe BZvw`| mUv bv, hw`
Avcbvi Pvicvki gvbyli Ai Kvbvq fO co Zvnj eySZ ne
h, Avcbvi Rxeb mv_K nqQ|
ck : AvjvwKZ ev Abb gvbyli Y Kx ?
Di : Abb gvbyl nQ mh `ytLK Avb`, ivMK myZvq,
nZvkvK ckvwZ Ges AfveK cvPzh icvwiZ KiZ cvi| m ay
wbRB gy nq bv, nvRviv gvbylK gywi c_ `Lvq|
mvaviY gvbyl memgq wnme Ki Kx cjvg| Zvi wPvUvB nQ
Avwg Kx cvev, Avgvi Kx jvf ne, Avwg Kx cvwQ| PvIqv-cvIqvUvK
m memgq ei A `L| AgyK KvRUv Kij Avgvi Kx ne G wPv
m Ki Ges mUv cvIqvi Rb KvbvwKQz KiZB Zvi evav bB|
mUv KiZ wMq hw` jvLv gvbyli wZ nq, hw` nvRviv gvbyli
AKjvY nq ZvZI Zvi Kvbv wav bB| GwU GKwU `wfw|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
419
Avi wZxq `wfw nQ Kx w`jvg| Avwg Kx w`Z cvijvg| GB

`wfwUvB nQ Abb gvbyli `wfw| m memgq Kx w`Z cvijv,
KZUzKz w`Z cvijv, KZUzKz mev KiZ cvijv Zv wbq fve| hLvb
mvaviY gvbyl fve KZUzKz cjvg|
GUv QvULvUv hKvbv welq w`q i nZ cvi| gv-K w`qI
i nZ cvi| gv Avgvi Rb Kx Kijv? AvRK kxZi mKvj wcVv
evwbq w`Z cviZv| wK gv w`jv bv| GUv nQ mvaviY gvbyli
`wfw| Avi Abb gvbyli `wfw nQ AvRK mKvj gv-K Avwg
Kx w`Z cvwi|
Awnsmv I gvq m wekvm Ki| m wnsmvi c_ KLbv hvq bv|
ZviI AveM I cew iqQ| wK GUv m wbqY ivL| Abi viv
bq, jvjmvi viv bq, m wbqwZ nq mZ viv|
m gZyK fq cvq bv, gZzK bZzb Rxebi m~Pbv gb Ki| m
KLbv `vm nq bv| gywi A^lvq AvZ`vbK AbK kq gb Ki|
Abi KvQ Avkq Pvq bv, nvRvi gvbyli AvwZK Avkq cwiYZ nq|
m ay wbR cvPzh cvq bv, nvRvi gvbyl Zvi KvQ Gm cvPzhi
mvb cvq| m KLbv kvlK nq bv, m nq kvwlZi ez Ges
kvwlZi gywi c_-c`kK| m Rvb m KmwgK Uvfjvi, GB Rxeb
kl Ki m bZzb Rxeb cek Kie Ges Zvi cwZ m bq|
ck : mvaviYfve ejv nq, GKUz eqm evoK| Zvici ag, bwZKZv
Gme wbq fvev hve| Avmj wK ZvB?
Di : GUv GKUv LyeB fyj aviYv| KviY Avcwb GLb euP AvQb|
GK gyn~Z ci Avcwb euP _vKZ cvieb wK bv Avcwb Rvbb bv|
GKevi GK KcY AbK ab-m` RgvQ| RgvQ Zv RgvQB|
Kvbv `vb-LqivZ Ki bv cvQ Kg hvq G fq| Qj-gq-xi
Rb LiP Ki bv| GgbwK wbRi RbI bv| GKUv fvjv mvj
ciZ cvi bv| hw` ewk `vg w`q wKbZ nq| gywPi KvQ _K mjvB
KivZ KivZ mvji `kv kl| Zvi evwoi KvRi jvKi
mvjI Gi Pq fvjv|
Zvi Kej GKUvB wPvfwelZ GKmgq Gme UvKvcqmv KvR
420
jvMe| ZLb wbw _vKv hve| wK mB fwelr h Ke Zv m

wbRI Rvb bv|
Gi gaB Zvi gZzi mgq nq Mj| dikZv Rvb KeP Kivi
Rb iwW| m-Zv dikZvK `L c_g agKv-agwK, Zvici
KvKzwZ-wgbwZ i Kijv| AvgvK wbq hveb bv| GZ K Ki UvKvcqmv Rgvjvg, euPB hw` bv _vwK Zvnj Kx jvf! Avgvi mì
AaKB AvcbvK w`q w`wQ| gv wZbwU w`b euP _vKZ w`b|
dikZv Zvi K_v b nvmjv| AbK mgq AeyS evPvi K_v b
Avgiv eoiv hiKg nvwm| evSvZ Pv Kijv, `L AvgvK Nyl
`qvi Pv Ki jvf bB| Avwg Gme wKQyi Ea| Avi Zvgvi gZzi
mgq GLbB| GUvK cQvbvi Kvbv myyhvM bB| KDB Zv cvi bv|
kl Pv wnme m AveviI ejjv, wVK AvQ, Zvnj GKUv w`b
AZ w`b| Avgvi me m`B Avwg w`q w`wQ| dikZvK Abo
`L GKmgq KcY jvKwU mwZ mwZB eySjv h, ZvK giZB ne|
GLb Avi wKQy Kivi bB|
ZLb m ejjv, Avwg wK Zvnj gv GKUv wgwbU cZ cvwi GKUv
QvU bvU jLvi Rb? dikZv ejjv, nuv, Zv nZ cvi|
ZLb KcY jvKwU hv wjLwQjv Zv hviv euP AvwQ Zvì Rb Lye
iZc~Y| K_v KqwU njvwcq cvVK, G bvUwU Avcwb coQb, Zvi
gvb Avcwb GLbv euP AvQb| Avcwb fvMevb| Rxebi evwK
mgqjv Ggb wKQy hvMvoi Rb LiP Ki djeb bv, hv Avcwb
wbq hZ cvieb bv| Ggb wKQyB Kib hv Avcwb wbq hZ cvieb|
Avgiv gb Kwi eqm nvK, Zvici Abb gvbyl nIqv hve| GKUv
Wvj hw` i _K euvKv nq hvq Zvnj MvQ eo nIqvi mv_ mv_ Zv
mvRv nq bv, euvKvB _vK| KvRB hviv fve GLb eqm Kg, GLb ag,
bwZKZv, Abb gvbyl BZvw` wbq fvevi ìKvi Kx? mr KvR, fvjv
KvR eyov nq Kiev| GLb òv`wo Kwi, Avb`-dwZ Kwihviv
GiKg c-vb KiQ Zvì Kviv vivB Rxeb fvjv KvR nq wb|
hviv fvjv KvR KiQ Zviv Kkvi _K, heb _K i
KiQ| h KviY KvqvUvg Avgiv ewj, GLb heb hvi, Abb gvbyl
nIqvi k mgq Zvi|
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
421
ck : GKRb Abb gvbyl wK Zvi RweK cqvRb gUve bv? Zvi wK

elwqK cqvRb ne bv?
Di : AekB ne| Abb gvbyliv Afvex wQjb bv| cqvRb cyivcywi
c~iY bv Ki KD RweK AwZ ZvM Kib wb| GKRb Abb
gvbyliI RweK I elwqK cqvRb gUvevi evcvi AvQ| wK m
KLbv Gjvi Rb Afveeva fyMe bv|
Avmj cqvRb I Afve GK bq| cvw_e wRwbmi cqvRb AvQ
Ze hZUzKz cqvRb ZZUzKz Qvov AwZwiUv ìKvi bB| Avi Afve
njv ZzQ I elwqK welqi mv_ Rwoq hvIqv| gyiwM hgb cvwbZ
wfRj Rwoq hvqnuvmi gZv DV AvmZ cvi bv| nuvm cvwbZ
gyiwMi Pq ewk Wye `q muvZvi KvU ZeyI cvwb ZvK k Ki bv|
Afvex nj ZvB Avcwb Abb gvbyl nZ cvieb bv| hLb Avgiv
Abyfe KiZ cviev Avgvì nvivbvi wKQy bB ZLb Avgiv `Lev
h, Pvicvk cIqvi iqQ AbK wKQy|
mgvU nZ nj cvq Kx Kx jY _vKZ neG evcvi GK
RvwZlx ek cvi`kx wQjb| GKw`b c_ hZ hZ cvqi Qvc
`L wZwb eySjb GwU GKRb mgvUi cvqi Qvc| wZwb KZ~njekZ
cvqi Qvc `L GwMq Mjb I Zvi KvQ wMq `Ljb h, GKRb
mbvmx em AvQb| mbvmxK `L wZwb AevK njb| mbvmxi cvq
mgvUi Qvc `L wZwb wev nq Mjb| Zvi nvZ `L wZwb Aviv
wech nq MjbG Zv mgvUi nvZ|
Zvi weeZ Aev `L mbvmx ZvK wRm Kijb, Avcwb weeZ
Kb? wZwb ejjb, Avgvi mvivRxebi vb, mvabv e_v njv| Avcbvi
Zv mgvU nIqvi K_v| Avgvi MYbv Zv-B ej| wK Avcwb Zv mgvU
bb| Avgvi vb wK Zvnj e_v Mj?
mbvmx RvbZ PvBjb, mgvU KvK ejh MnY Ki, bv h w`Z
cvi? RvwZlx ejjb, h w`Z cvi|
mbvmx ejjb, Zvnj AvwgB mgvU, KviY hv wKQy Avgvi wQjv me
wKQy Avwg w`Z ciwQ| Avgvi nvivbvi wKQy bB|
RvwZlx Zvi cwiPq RvbZ PvBjb|
mbvmx RvbvjbwZwb wmv_ A_vr MZg ey|
422
iRx/ gnvRvZK/ GjwR

ck : Avcbvi bvgi mv_ h gnvRvZK kwU AvQGUv wK
BmjvgmZ? Bmjvg RvZK, RvwZi BZvw`Z wekvm Zv Kzdwi|
Di : Avmj gnvRvZK bvg Avwg `wbK BdvKmn wewfb cwKvq
h ivwkdj wjLZvg Zv _KB AbK gb KiZ jvMjb h, RvZK
ki A_ eva nq RvwZl| Avi gnvRvZK gvb gnvRvwZl| Avmj
RvZK ki A_h RbMnY KiQ| m wnme cwZwU gvbyl njv
RvZK| hgb, beRvZ wkK ejv nq beRvZK|
Avi gnvRvZK gvb gnvb h RvZK| GUv GKUv Qbvg| hgb
ebdzj, ksKi ev hvhvei| wKQyw`b AvM Avgvì `ki GKRb wewk
mvsevw`K BKvj KiQbmgy` | wK GwU wQjv Zvi Qbvg|
Zvi Avmj bvg njv Ave`yj gvbvb| hgb KvRx Avbvqvi nvmbi
jLK bvg nQ we`yr wg| GgbwK iex`bv_I fvbywmsn Qbvg Zvi
c_g iPbv cKvk KiwQjb| m iKg gnvRvZKI GKwU cb bg ev
Qbvg ev jLK bvg| GLvb Kzdwi ev BmjvgmZ nIqv bv nIqvi
Kvbv welq bB|
ck : iRx Avcwb `vwo ivLb bv| Avcbvi eo Muvd iqQ| GUv
BmjvgweiGB ej Avgvi GK ez cvqB AvgvK wei Ki| Avwg
jwZ nB| Di w`Z cvwi bv| wK Avwg ZvK KvqvUvg AvbZ
PvB| G evcvi cwivifve wKQy ejj Lywk nev|
Di : `vwoi mv_ Bmjvgi mKUv KZUzKz Zv Avgvì eySZ ne|
`vwo bexRx (m) Gi GKwU mybZ| wK diR bq ev Cgvbi Ask bq|
KvRB `vwo w`q KD hw` Kviv Cgvb wePvi KiZ hvb wZwb fyj
Kieb| `vwo ivLb bvay G hywZB KvDK Bmjvgwei ejv
GUvI ne GKUv v KvR| Ze `vwo ivLv mybZ Ges whwb Zv cvjb
Kieb, wZwb mIqve cveb| wK `vwo diR ev Cgvbi A ev `vwo bv
ivLj cwivY cvIqv hve bvGgb Kvbv ee KviAvb-nv`xm
Kv_vI bB| Avi Muvdi evcvi welqwU Aviv mnR| Muvd eo
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ivLZ wbla Kiv nqQ| KviY LZ wMq Muvd cvwb jvMj, cvwb
gvKin nq hvq| Avj-vni kvKi| Avwg G evcvi h_ mPZb|
cvkvK-AvkvK, `vwo-Muvdi gZv z` evcvi wbq KvivB jwZ
nIqvi wKQy bB| Gi fvjv-g` meUzKzB ewMZ| Avcwb ZvK
KvqvUvg AvbZ PvQb Zvi KjvYi Rb| Zvi ivMgyw, mvdj,
cvPzh I ckvwi Rb| Avgiv hLb Kvbv mevi Rb ev wkvi Rb
Kviv KvQ hvB ZLb wK Zvi cvkvK-AvkvK `vwo Muvd `wL, bv m
welq Zvi vb cvwZ I `Zv `wL? ^vfvweKfveB ewniveiYi
Pq hvMZv-`ZvKB ewk iZ `B| Bmjvg h Cgvbi K_v,
`ywbqv I AvLivZi KjvYi K_v ej, miKg gReyZ Cgvb`vi
nIqvi Rb, kvKiMvRvi nIqvi Rb, ivMgy my Rxebi Rb,
bvgvR gbvhvM evwoq Avj-vni bKU jvfi Rb KvqvUvg g_W
GB hyMi evwbKfve cixwZ cgvwYZ cwqv| jvLv gvbyl DcKZ
nqQb| Avcbvi ez Gj wZwbI DcKZ neb|
ck : Bmjvgi `wZ wK RvwZlkv nvivg? nvZ `Lv, Kvw Kiv,
wVKzwR Kiv wK wbwl? GRbB wK Avcwb Qo w`qQb? Avwg iZ cwi
Ges wekvm Kwi Kvbv mgmv ne bv|
Di : RvwZlwevb ev GjwR GKwU mvq| GwU njv mvq Ad
cvevwewjwUm ev cwmwewjwUm| A_vr Kx nZ cvi Zv wbq AwfgZ,
evLv, chvjvPbv ev AbygvbGUvB njv RvwZlwevb| Avi
Bmjvgi `wZ Gi MnYhvMZv wbq wewk Avjgì AwfgZ Avgiv
MnY KiwQ| Avj-vgv nhiZ gIjvbv gynv` Ave`yi inxg, Avj-vgv
AvjvDwb Avj AvRnvix, Avj-vgv nvdR gyn` nvexeyi ingvb cgyL
`keiY Avjgì mv_ Avwg G welq ewMZfve Avjvc KiwQ|
Zviv myfve ejQb, GKgv Avj-vnB cvib wbwZfve
KvbvwKQy NUe GUv ejZ, Kvbv gvbyl Zv cvi bv| wK KD hLb
Kvbv mvebvi K_v ej, ej GUv nZ cvi, mUv NUZ cvi, ZLb
Zv wbq Kvbv weZK bB| Ges GjwRi AvjvK KD hw` GB
mvebvi K_v ej Zvnj Zv Bmjvgi eaZvi mxgvi gaB _vK|
cwe KviAvbi m~iv Rxbi 26-27 bî AvqvZ Avj-vn Zvqvjv
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ejQb, Mvqe ev fwelr aygv wZwbB Rvbb, hw` bv wZwb KvDK

Rvbvb, hgb wZwb imyjì RvwbqQb| A_vr Rvbvi c_ Lvjv AvQ|
wZwb h KvDK BQv fwelr RvbvZ cvib, h KvDK BQv Mvqe
RvbvZ cvib, GUv Ibvi GLwZqvi| Avi GUv Avj-vni GKwU AvkvmB
h, h hv RvbZ Pvq, Avj-vn mB welq ZvK vb `vb Kib|
Avmj RvwZlx wbq Avgvì mgvR AbKi ga h weic
gbvfve Zvi g~j AvQ mv`vwqK `wfw| KviY Avgvì GLvb
AZxZ RvwZlPPv KiZb g~jZ evY cwZiv| AZGe RvwZlwevb PPv Kij m gymjgvb _vKe bv| mBmv_ KviAvb-nv`xmi
ccvZ`y evLvi gvag Kicx GKkYxi Avjg G welqwUK
agxq wblai eovRvj ew` Ki djb| Zviv MYKi fvM MYbvi
mv_ RvwZl wevbK GKvKvi Ki djb|
A_P Bmjvgi ^YhyM hZ eo eo cwZ wQjbAvj eibx, Beb
Lvj`yb, Beb wmbv, Beb ik`, Avj evvbx, Avj wKw`, Avj
Av`vjvmx, Avj RviKvwj, Beb evv, Beb Zvdvqj, Beb Avivex,
Bevnxg Avj dvhvwi, Avj dviMvwb, Avj LviRwg, Avj Zvivwe, Igi
Lqvg, Beb BDbym, DjyM eM, bvwmiwb Avj Zzmx cgyL gymwjg
gbxlxMY RvwZl wevbi PPv KiQb|
KviY Zvì AbyciYv wQjv cwe KviAvbi evYxwbqB AvKvk
I cw_exi mwZ, w`b-ivwi AveZb vbxì Rb wb`kb iqQ|
Zviv ùvwoq, em ev kvwqZ Aevq Avj-vnK iY Ki| Zviv AvKvk
I cw_exi mwinm wbq Mfxi avb wbgM nq Ges ej, n Avgvì
cwZcvjK! Zzwg Gme Ab_K mw Ki wb (m~iv Avj Bgivb 190191)| cwe KviAvbi 85 bs m~ivwUi bvg eyiR hvi gvb ivwkP|
Aviwe fvlvq ivwkK eyiR ejv nq|
evM`vì wbRvwgqv gv`vmv ZLb wQjv weki cavb wekwe`vjq|
mLvbKvi cvVZvwjKvq wQjv GB Bjg Avj bvygx hv GKBmv_
GjwR Ges Gbwg`yUvKB evSvZv| Ggb Kvbv gymwjg cwZ
wQjb bv whwb GjwRZ ` wQjb bv| AvaywbK RvwZwevb
eqvim vi PvU ev eqvii ZvivZvwjKv eenvii AvM ch
cPwjZ wQjv wRR-B-DjyM eM ev DjyM eMi ZvivZvwjKv hv cYqb
Kib gahyMi mePq LvZbvgv gymwjg RvwZwevbx DjyM eM|
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AvaywbK RvwZwevb hZ bi bvg iqQ Gi wZb fvMi GK

fvMB nQ Aviwe bvg|
cwZ Avj eibx wQjb myjZvb gvngyì ivR RvwZl| wZwb hLb
myjZvb gvngyì ìevi Avmb myjZvb Zvi RvwZl wevb `Zv
cixv Kivi wmv wbjb| wZwb Avj eibxK ejjb, AvMvgxKvj
Avwg Kvb ìRv w`q wmsnvmb cek Kiev, Zv ejZ ne|
wmv njvAvj eibx me wnme-wbKk Ki Zvi wmv wjL
GKUv Lvg wmjMvjv Ki myjZvbK èb| myjZvb LvgwU wmsnvmb
iL hveb| ciw`b myjZvb ìevi Gm mevi mvgb Zv Lyjeb|
h_vwbqg Avj eibx Zvi QK Kl wnme Ki Zvi fwelvYx wjL
Lvg wmjMvjv Ki myjZvbi nvZ w`jb| myjZvb Zv wmsnvmb iL
ìevi kl Ki ewiq Gjb| GmB Kzg Kijb`qvj fO
ivZi gaB bZzb GKwU ìRv wbgvY KiZ ne|
h_vixwZ ìRv wbwgZ njv| ci w`b myjZvb gvngy` bZzb ìRv
w`q nvmZ nvmZ ìevi cek Kijb| fveLvbv GB h, Avj
eibxK AvR fvjfveB R Kiv hve| KviY ^vfvweKfveB we`gvb
wZbwU ìRvi hKvbv GKwUi K_vB KvMR jLv _vKe|
myjZvb wmsnvmbi w`K GwMq Mjb| LvgwU Zzjjb| gxi nvZ
w`jb| Lyj coZ ejjb| gx Lvg Lyjjb| KvMR jLv AvQ
myjZvb AvR bZzb GKwU ìRv w`q ìevi cek Kieb|
ìevimy mfvmìv weq nv nq Mjb|
Kwe wnme weLvZ njI Igi Lqvg wQjb Lvivmvbi ivR
RvwZl| wZwb ZvwiL B Rvjvwj bvg wbfyj Kvjvi Zwi Kib|
MMix Kvjvii mv_ Zzjbv KijB Lqvgi MYbvi kZ cgvwYZ
nq| eZgvb mviv wek cPwjZ MMix Kvjvi Abymvi 3330 eQii
MYbvq GKw`bi cv_K `Lv è| Aciw`K Igii Kvjvi
wnme MYbv Kij 5000 eQi GKw`bi ZviZg `Lv è|
Igi Lqvgi RvwZl-vb GZ wbfyj wQjv h, wbRi gZzi
w`b-Y mK Zvi aviYv wQjv| HwZnvwmK kvnRywii eYbv
AbymvigZzi w`b Lqvg ivRv iLwQjb| gvMwiei mgq nj
wZwb bvgvR ùvovb| mR`vq wMq wZwb DPî ejbAvj-vn!
h_vmva ZvgvKB PqwQ| AvR Avgvi wgbwZZvgvi KiYv I gv
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_K hb ewZ bv nB| mR`v _K wZwb Avi IVb wb|

Avwg hLb GjwR PPv KiwQ ZLb Bmjvgi `wfwB Avgvi
mvgb cwivi wQjv| hwÌ mmgqI Gme wbq gvS gvS nvmKi
cwiwwZi gyLvgywL nZ nZv|
hgb, GKevi GK weqevwoZ wMqwQ| AwZw_ì mv_ AvgvK
cwiwPZ Kwiq `qv nQ| ZLb mLvb DcwZ GKRb wewk gIjvbv
Avgvi cwiPq cqB DwRZ nq DVjb| mevi mvgbB mivmwi
AvgY Ki ej DVjb, Avcwb Zv RvwZl, gnvRvZK| Avcwb
nvweqv `vRL hveb|
Avwg webqi mv_ wRm KijvgKb Ryi!
wZwb i î ejjb, Avcwb fwelvYx Kib|
Avwg `Ljvg h, GLb hw` G K_vi Kvbv Reve bv w`B Zvnj
DcwZì ga GKUv wgk cwZwqv nZ cvi| Avwg nm ejjvg,
Ryi, Avcbvi K_v hw` wVK nq Zvnj Avgvi Kvbv `ytL bB| KviY
mLvb Avcbvi gZv Avjgi KvQvKvwQB Avwg _vKev|
G K_v b wZwb Avevi w nq DVjb| KviY Avgvi gZv
GKRb RvwZl ZvK GiKg ge Kie GUv wZwb fveZB cvib wb|
Avwg ejjvg, Ryi, ivM Kivi AvM AvgvK Zv GKUz wRm Kieb
h, Kb Avwg G K_v ejwQ|
Avgvi K_v b DcwZ AwZw_iv ejjb, wVK K_v| ejb|
Avwg ZLb ejjvg, Ryi `Lb, Avgiv fwelvYx Kwi GK eQi,
`yB eQi, 10 eQi, 20 eQieoRvi 50 eQii Rb| Avi Avcwb
Avwg gviv hvev, Avcwb gviv hveb| Kzj gvLjyKvZ asm ne|
KqvgZ ne, Zvici nvki ne, Zvici wbavwiZ ne K Kv_vq hve
bv hve| A_vr nvRvi ev j eQi ci Kx NUe mB fwelvYx Avcwb
Kijb Avgvi evcvi| hw` 50 eQi cii fwelvYx Kivi Rb
AvgvK nvweqv `vRL hZ nq, Zvnj j eQi cii fwelvYx Ki
AvcbvKI nvweqv `vRL hZ ne| KviY Gi Pq wbK `vRL Zv
Avi bB| mB Rb ejwQRyi, Avcbvi K_v hw` wVK nq Ze
`vRL Avcbvi KvQvKvwQB Avwg _vKev| b wZwb Pzc nq Mjb|
GLb Avwm Avcbvi ck h, Kb Avwg RvwZl PPv KiwQ bv| Avwg
Avgvi Rxeb hLb hv KiwQ Zv KiwQ c~Y gbvhvM w`q| dj
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KvqvUvg g_Wi mv_ m nIqvi ci GjwRi gZv evcK

GKwU welq gbvhvM `qv Avi Avgvi c me nq wb| KviY Zvnj
Zv nZv Avgvi KvqUì ewZ Kiv| Avi mBmv_ Avwg wekvm Kwi
GLb Avwg hv KiwQ Zv GjwRi Pq gvbyli AbK ewk KjvY
KiQ| KviY AvM ejZ cviZvg h, Avcbvi GB ivM nZ cvi, GB
Amyweav nZ cvi| wK GLb ejZ cvwi, GB ivM nZ cvi wK
Avcwb hw` gwWUkb Kib, GB KiYxqjv AbymiY Kib Zvnj
Bbkvj-vn Avcwb G _K gy _vKZ cvieb|
Avi wZxq welq nQ iZ ci Avcwb hw` gb Kib h, GUv
AvcbvK cvUKkb è, Zvnj Avcwb fyj Kieb| iZ ci mgmvi
mgvavb Kiv hvq bv| iZ ci KvwUcwZ nIqv hvq bv| GKevi GKRb
Gm AvgvK Lye Ki aijv ZvK Ggb GKUv cv_i hvMvo Ki w`Z
ne hv cij Qq gvm m KvwUcwZ nq hve| Avwg ZLb wRm
Kijvg Zvnj Avwg Kx `vl KiwQ? hw` GiKg Kvbv cv_i _vKZvB
hv ci KvwUcwZ nIqv hvq Zvnj Zv mUv Avwg c_g ciZvg|
Avcbvì civgk w`q wd cvev ej GLvb em _vKZvg bv|
Avmj iZ-cv_i Kvbv Kvbv ^vi Rb, kvixwiKgvbwmK myZvi Rb DcKvwi| AbKUv Ilyai gZv| GUv Avcbvi
fvMK e`jvZ cvie bv, ev cvie bv AvcbvK cUKkb w`Z|
ck : weqi AvMB Avwg KvqvUvg Kvm KiwQ| cvMvgjvZ ZLb
wbqwgZ hZvg| wK weqi ci kievwoi Avcwi KviY GLb Avi
hZ cvwi bv| wekl Ki Avgvi kvwoi eo Avcw njv iRx
bvgwU wbq| wZwb ejb, iRx Zv nq wn`y nj| Zvgvì iRx wK
wn`y? eywS, Zvi K_v AhwK| wK ZvK evSvev Kgb Ki?
Di : Avmj iRx Avgvi bvg bq| cèxI bq| Avgvi Kvm Ask
wbq KvqvUvg g_W viv DcKZ nq Avgvi cwZ fvjevmvi KviY
KD AvgvK iRx, KD Iv`Rx, KD Ryi, KD mvi ej m^vab
Kib| Avgiv Avgvì wkKK fvjemB m^vabi GKwU k wVK
Ki bB| GB m^vabi mv_ agi Kvbv mK bB| Avwg GKRb
wkK| Avcbvi kievwoZ h m^vab WvKj Zviv Lywk neb m
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m^vabB WvKeb| ZvZ hw` KvqvUvgi cvMvg Avmvi evav KU

hvq Ze AvwgB ewk Avbw`Z nev|
ck : Avgiv wK iRx A_ev gv-Rx nZ cviev? Avgiv wK m iKg
gbQwe `LZ cvwi?
Di : ck KiQbiRx ev gv-Rx nZ cvieb wK bv| Zvi gvb
Avgvì mK Avcbvi gb GKUv myì aviYv iqQ| gb KiQb
h, iRx ev gv-Rx nZ cviv fvjv| Ges Avgvì AvbÙv GBLvb
h, GKRb ZiY ev GKRb ZiYx Avgvì gZv nZ Pvb| Gi Pq
eo Avb` Zv Avi wKQy bvB|
Avgvì Pq AbK eo nIqvi myhvM Avcbvì AvQ| KviY
Avgiv hLvb kl Kiev Avcbviv mLvb _K i Kieb| Avgiv
Zv cZ KiwQ| Ges GKRb wkKi mePq eo Avb` Kx?
hw` Zvi Qv ZvK AwZg Ki hvq, Zvi PqI eo nq| Avgvì
Zv `vqv _vKe h, Avcbviv Avgvì PqI AbK AbK eo neb|
Ges Avcbvì cwiPq hb Avgiv cwiwPZ nZ cvwih, nuv, AgyKi
i wQjv AgyK| AgyKi gv wQjv AgyK| GLvbB Avgvì Avb`|
ck : Avgiv Rvwb Avcwb GKmgq mvsevw`KZv KiZb| Zvici
GjwR KiQb| mme Qo Avcwb Kb KvqvUvg Gjb?
Di : Avwg Kb KvqvUvg? nuv, GUv GKUv myì ck Ges Gi DiI
Avgvi KvQ my| Ze Di `qvi AvM GKUz cvcU ejv ìKvi|
c_g ewj, mvsevw`KZvq Kxfve Gjvg? ZviY hLb gvbyli `ytL
K Afve ebv `LwQ, gb nqwQjvG `ytLi K_v, Ki K_v hw`
jLv hvq Zvnj wKQy GKUv ne| i Kijvg wicvUvii KvR| Avi
Avgvi GKUv ewk wQjvAvwg memgq hv KiwQ c~Y gbvhvM w`q
KiwQ| fvjem KiwQ| dj KvRi cwZ`vbI Avwg mfve cqwQ|
mvsevw`KZv ckvq GZ A mgq Avwg evZv mv`K c` DbxZ
njvg h, ZLbv Avgvi AbK mnKgx wicvUvi wnmeB KvR
KiwQjb| wK mgqi mv_ mv_ eySjvgevBi _K hv-B gb
nvK, GKRb mvsevw`Ki ^vaxbZv Avmj Lye mxwgZ| ZvK wjLZ nq
ce 1 \ gwWUkb
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cwKvi gvwjKi BQvbymvi| mZ RvbvZ PvBjI Rvbvbv hvq bv|

wmv wbjvg, mvsevw`KZv Qo èv| b Avgvi fvbyavqxiv
Avdmvm Kijb| AbK ejjb, GKUv bi cZb njv|
GjwRi cwZ AvMn wQjv| GB kLKB ckv wnme bqvi
wmv wbjvg| KviY gb njv, GKRb gvbylK hw` fvjv civgk `qv
hvq, GKUv MvBW jvBb `qv hvq Zvnj Zvi `ytLUvK wZwb KvwUq
DVZ cvieb ev ZvK hw` mZK Ki `qv hvq Zvnj `ytL _K wZwb
nqZv `~i _vKZ cvieb|
Ze m`n bB h, evZv mv`Ki c` Bdv w`q GjwRi
gZv GKwU AcPwjZ ckvq Avmvi wmvUv ek SzuwKc~Y wQjv| wK
G SzuwK wbZ ciwQjvg, KviY Avwg memgq gb KiwQRxeb Avgvi|
Avgvi Rxebi `vwqZ AvgvKB wbZ ne| Avi hnZz Avwg KvRUvK
fvjevwm AZGe GLvb Avgvi gavK KvR jvMvZ cviev|
Zv-B njv| GjRvi wnme Avgvì `k GKRb gvbyli c
LvwZmn hv hv cvIqv me Zvi meB Avwg cqwQ| h mgq Avgvì
`ki GKRb wekl Wvvi 200 UvKv wdm wbZb ZLb Avwg wdm
wbZvg 500 UvKv|
GjRvi wnme Avgvi g~j wPv wQjvgvbylK nZvkv _K gy
Ki Kxfve AvZwekvmx Ki Zvjv hvq| KviY Avwg RvbZvg mvaviYZ
GKRb gvbyl GjRvii KvQ Avm wecb Aevq, mekl| c_g
m wbR Pv Ki| wbR hLb cvi bvWvvii KvQ hvq| Wvvi
hLb cvi bv ZLb m cxi mvnei KvQ hvq| cxi mvneI hLb
cvijb bv ZLb kl RvqMv nQ GjRvih, fvM Kx AvQ, `wL!
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nvRviv c

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

31/wf wkvPvh Rqbyj Ave`xb moK,

dvb : 9341441, 8396815, 8391391

kvKivb! kvKivb!! 350

DBvR wcwUs mUvi

Bmjvg feb (2q Zjv)

jvLv gvbyli gZv

ck KiZ cvib, gb RU cvKvq Kb? myZv GK ivLj RU

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

c_g cixvwU wQjv gbvhvM wbq| KwDUvi wb AbKjv

gwWUkbi KvhKi f~wgKv `Lv MQ|

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Abykxjb KiB DcKvi cZ i KiQb ^Qvmexiv| Zvi wZxq

AvbmviUBwbwU wcwcj| wevb ZLb Avevi `kKi AvMgb NUjv|

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : GK K_vq KvqvUvgi g~j Dk Kx?

my^v : ivM wbivgq gbi gZv wekevcx wPwKrmvwevbi GK

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avmw KgQ Ges `Zv, Kgmw I cviwiK mKvbqb eoQ

ce cKvwkZ nq 2004 mvj BbwwUDU Ad K G gvbRgU

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Kvwjdvwbqv zj Ad cdkbvj mvBKvjwR, evKji MelK

gwWUkb nZ cvi, m`Kv ev `vb nZ cvi, `vqv ev cv_bv nZ

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : mvaviYfve gb Kiv nq, GKRb gvbyl `LZ Kgb ne, Zvi

mLvb vqweK mgmvqI GwU KvhKix ne| Avcwb wbqwgZ `yejv

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AvgwiKvq Rxeb msnviK gvivZK `ywU evwa nQ `ivM Ges

Wv. ebmb `pZvi mv_ ejQb, `ivM, WvqvewUm, Avjmvi,

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

BZvw`Z GLb gwWUkbK cmvBe Kivi K_v kLvbv nQ

cig KiYvgqi Kwiqv Av`vq Ki Avgiv ejZ cvwi, wewfb ivM

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

msiYi cv 1157-Z ejv nqQ, gwWUkb, hvMevqvg Ges

Di : AvZwekvm ejxqvb nq gbvhvMK myPvM Ki wbRi gwK

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wkv_x IwiqUkb, KvDwjs BZvw`i gvag cvQb m j

nq gwWUkb| gwWUkb PjvKvj cwkKi avbkw-Zii cfve

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : ay mgmv _vKjB gwWUkb KiZ nqGUv GKUv fyj aviYv|

I kvweR vi| cvvZi LvwZgvb`i gZv ZvivI gwWUkb

Kvm KiZ PvwQ KiZ cviwQ bv

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AbK Kvm Dy Kiv

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

hLvb ZiY cRbK mwVK w`K-wb`kbv `qv nq| wZwb ejwQjb

wKQyw`b ci `Leb m wbRB Gm ejQ| A_vr Kvmi K_v ejZ

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

h_| Avi GK K_vq ejZ cvib, KvqvUvg nQ fvjv _vKv I

Kvm Kivi ci weic cwiwwZ gvKvejv

Ges KLbv KLbv nqZv Zvi ga eLvUcbvI wQjv| gwWUkb PPv

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Rvbv AvQ, mUvi Di `eb| hv Rvbv bB, webqi mv_ ejeb

wb| GLb wZwb gb KiQb dvDkbi mv_ Zvi ^vgxKI Aviv

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : mgvRi mevB KvqvUvgi fvlv eySe bvGUvB ^vfvweK| Avi

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : KvqvUvgi hKvbv cvMvg Avmvi AvM evmvq h Svgjv nq

Dy KiZ bv cvib Zvnj ejZ ne Avcbvi Kv_vI mgmv iqQ|

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

hZY ch Zviv eySZ bv cviQb Zviv Zv Aenjv KiebB| ZvB

ck : Avgvi GK ez dvDkbi Nvi weivax| ej, gwWUkb fyqv