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Interview

SKY MEADOW MEDIA

and 21st Century Radio® present

John Bedini
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S P E A K E R S

H Dr. Bob Hieronimus, the host

B John Bedini, the guest

H: John Bedini! Boy, it has been 18 years, brother John!

B: Yes, it has, Dr. Bob! And, first of all, thank you very much for having me.

H: Well, it’s a joy, and as much as I thought, eventually, that we would get
back together again, I didn’t think it was going to be 18 years, John!

B: Eighteen years, Bob! [both laughing]

H: Now we’ve been brainwashed to believe that outer space is empty –

there’s nothing there. What’s wrong with this theory?

B: Well, what’s wrong with the theory is that we are surrounded by an electrical
gas which we can tap if we know how to utilize it. And during my many years
of research, I’ve come to a very strange conclusion: that one must have
something like a trigger [signal] to tap this. And it’s the same thing that Tesla
said all along: that we must have these little impulses, and by
We are surrounded utilizing these little impulses we can tap or cause the vacuum
by an electrical energy to enter our system, and then we can capture that.
gas which we can And, of course, ever since the work in 1984 with the first
tap, if we know machine that was shown at the Tesla Symposium, which was
how to utilize it. the Watson machine, and of course that machine was
successfully demonstrated at 5 kilovolts on stage.

After that, Bob, very strange things started to happen. James Watson
disappeared after two weeks after that; nobody could find him. It wasn’t until
later years that we all discovered that James Watson had to take the buy-out to
protect his family. On the other hand, I was forced into seclusion buying
gasoline [chuckles], which is what everybody does.

So I never gave up my work, I continued on my work into the wee hours of

the night developing what I call the Monopole Motor or Monopole Energizer,
which is on all the groups today. And what I wanted to do was bring forth a
very small invention that showed exactly the type of energy we were capturing,
and I wanted it to be as simple as possible so that everybody working with it

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can grasp it and understand that it’s not the so- I made the
called electron current that’s actually making the Monopole very
system work. Of course in the front end1 of the simple to show
machine, sure we’re talking about a normal circuit that what makes it
which can be measured conventionally and normal. work isn’t electron
And in the back end of the machine we’re talking current.
about a Tesla system, which is impulse currents, the
same thing Tesla was going to do in the 1800s to bring about free energy.

What I want everybody to understand about free energy is that free energy
might be misrepresented, in a way -- because you must supply something to
get something out of it. Are you following me?

H: Of course.

B: Tesla was going to use Niagara Falls to power his magnifying transmitter, but
the Powers That Be said, “Why should we allow this to happen when we can’t
measure it, we can’t meter it, we can’t make anybody pay for it?” So the brakes
were put on Tesla and he was discredited in all the books shortly after that. So
what we have here is if we were to utilize Tesla’s system and we were to trigger
it, a very strange effect would occur. We would use these impulse currents and
they would go into the ground, and they would start to couple. Their vectors
would start to couple. And you, by putting up a small antenna, or a coil that’s
in resonance with this transmitter, you could light your entire house from the
system without paying for a thing. This is what I meant by saying that free
energy has been misrepresented: something has to provide the trigger signal
that is necessary to trigger it out. So getting away from Tesla’s mechanism for
a minute, I’m going to lead you into the monopole system.

H: But before we do that, there are a few other things I want to discuss so
we get to dipoles and how they pertain to your monopole system. Can
we do that first?

In 1957, Drs. Lee and Yang won the Nobel Prize for their work on
broken symmetry, which caused a revolution in physics. Could you tell
us a little bit about broken symmetry?

B: Broken symmetry, in my view and in my system (I’m going to relate this to my

own work, right?) is when you have an imbalance in the system. What causes
this to happen is an abrupt change – in other words, an abrupt change in, say,

1 “Front” end refers to the circuitry from and including the power supply or powering battery, through and
including the rotor and coil. “Back” end refers to the circuitry that processes the impulses that comprise the
fast-rise-time trigger signal – transistor, diodes, etc. – as well as the conductors carrying the trigger signal to a
storage battery or storage capacitor.

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the voltage, very quickly. When this abrupt change occurs, we get a new form
of energy that’s sucked out from the broken symmetry and that new form of
energy is what we tap. We have to capture that somehow, and so we do that
by the way that we cause these impulses. Now this goes for anything –
anything like a lightning bolt, for example – that can cause an abrupt change,
and then the symmetry is broken. And what you have after that is you have a
coupling of all these different vectors. And if you’re smart enough to get the
energy, you can capture that energy and it’s what we term “vacuum energy”
after that.

H: Well, what are dipoles?

B: One example of a dipole is a storage battery, which has a plus and a minus
pole. In other words, a dipole is something that has two poles, a positive and a
negative. When we use a storage battery, we form a loop, and that loop
The whole
universe is filled
connects one pole around and returns the energy to the other pole of the
with dipoles. We
dipole. And of course if you keep doing this, if you keep going around and
can get free around in this loop, Dr. Bob, what happens is that you kill the dipole. We
energy if we tap don’t want to kill the dipole. We want the dipole always to stand, in a voltage
these dipoles potential. That is the dipole. So out there, throughout the whole universe, are
without killing all these dipoles. What we want to do is tap them without killing them. We
them. want to keep their voltage potential as if they’re not doing any work. Do you
follow what I’m saying?

H: Yes, of course.

B: So what we do is we take a little bit, but we shut it off before the current can
get all the way around the loop. By doing that, we prolong the dipole, but at
the same time we’re capturing energy from it. And our circuits have to be fast
enough and they have to be switched correctly to do this. There are dipoles in
everything, you know, right down to water, down to whatever we’re doing.
We want to keep the dipole’s potential strong. We don’t want to force the
dipole to collapse upon itself, because when the potential between the two
poles falls to zero, it’s not a dipole any longer. We’re out of energy.

H: Because it seems the dipole is what is generating the energy?

B: Yes! Because space is completely filled with energy.

H: And dipoles.

B: Yes.

H: That’s one of the most extraordinary things about the DVDs. There are
two DVDs and this book. Friends, I think that it’s quite a long time
ago – my IQ must have dropped 422 points or something, because I’ve

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always had a hard time with this – that is, until I read parts of the book
and then watched both DVDs – then I think I really got a grasp on the
situation.

Now we’re going to take our break, and we will return with John Bedini,
Free Energy Generation: Circuits & Schematics for 20 Bedini-Bearden
years, Cheniere Press. And two DVD films: Energy from the
Vacuum™. To order online, SkyMeadowMedia.com. To follow along
with our interview tonight, go to John Bedini’s website by clicking on
his name on the front page of 21stCenturyRadio.com.

http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Bedini_SG – open source, wiki format

H O W T O http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole3 - beginners, public
B U I L D A
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MonopoleMotor - free discussion of Bedini topics
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole2 - intermediate, by invitation, private
M O N O P O L E http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole - most advanced, private
E N E R G I Z E R http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_window_energizer - advanced, members only

H: John, how does one go into the energy of this dipole and tap the non-
equilibrium steady-state electromagnetic flow of energy? And not mess
up the dipole?

B: OK, let’s get into this a little bit. We accomplish this is by the use of what we
call a “trigger signal”. It’s on, then it’s off – really quick. It’s like a little
hammer. As long as you keep tapping this thing, you can capture the
resonance, if you keep tapping and tapping and tapping and tapping and
tapping.

So what we created was an unbalanced system in the front. We started with

something that’s known to everybody in the art: a coil. We know that a coil is
in perfect symmetry to start out with. Now I’ll explain how we break the
symmetry, using this concept by Lee and Yang. We add an impulse to the coil,
but as soon as we add the impulse, we shut it off. This causes what you could
term a “hammer blow” to the coil.

We know what a coil is: it’s a pretty steady electromagnet when there is a
steady current. The coil acts as an electromagnet, and its two magnetic poles

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are in balance, one on the top and one on the bottom. We pulse the coil
to make it
What we actually want to do, Dr. Bob, is make that
nonlinear. This
magnet become nonlinear. So we pulse the coil to
opens the Bloch
make it nonlinear. What we’re actually doing is Wall – the place in
opening a window in the magnet which is termed the the center of the
“Bloch Wall.” The Bloch Wall is the space where the magnet where the
two poles come together in the center of the magnet. energy comes
That’s where the energy comes from, from this zero from. Opening and
field that’s in the center of the magnet, where the two closing the
poles – top and bottom – are in balance. window pumps in
zero-point energy.
H: So current has nothing to do with energy?

B: Oh, no! No. We want no current at all, because any time we allow current to
flow through the whole system, we are killing the dipole. We don’t want to kill
that dipole.

H: Right.

B: We want to make the broken symmetry possible through a gating process. I’ll
explain it with an analogy. It’s as if a little guy is standing there with a hammer.
The little guy with the hammer is the potential; he’s the dipole. We take a little
bit of energy from the dipole to swing a gigantic hammer blow at the coil.
This causes the coil’s poles to vary between maximum electromagnetic flux
and no magnetic flux. The zero point that’s in the center is like a window. We
want to open and close the window. Opening and closing the window forms a
pump for zero-point energy. Then when the zero-point energy enters the
window, we tap a little bit off of it. That’s the reason for the secondary (or
storage) battery.

We don’t want to force any current into the storage battery. Remember, the
storage battery is a dipole with a lattice network of atoms and molecules inside.
It’s a network that can absorb this energy; that’s why they call it a storage
battery.

So we don’t have to charge storage batteries with tremendous current, as the

Monopole System proves. Instead, we use the front battery to cause this
window to open and close in a pumping action. We take some of that
pumping action on an output and send it to the secondary battery.

So what the machine has is a standard front end working in standard,

conventional physics. But we break up the standard, conventional physics by
causing it to pulse with a unidirectional pulse. We make a pulse system by
using a nonlinear front. You won’t find any south-pole magnets on this
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the magnets on the rotor are facing the coil; all are oriented the same way, not
alternating north-south like conventional motors.]

Using only one pole, we make the machine do two things. First, the machine
can put out mechanical output. Second, by pumping the window open and
closed the machine triggers the zero-point energy. Then we suck the energy
out.

H: So we leave the dipole in static configuration with no current flowing

Charging a through it, and that will radiate energy forever?
capacitor with the
zero-point energy B: Right. Because, you see, when we add any current to the system, the radiant
transforms it into
energy goes away. The vacuum energy disappears. It’s no longer there.
the regular
electromagnetic
H: So if we so this, it becomes a perpetual energy generator?
energy that we
know.
B: Absolutely. Once the energy is converted into a form that’s usable, you’re
absolutely correct: it could become perpetual if the energy is transformed
correctly by transforming it from one source to another source. Charging a
capacitor with the energy transforms it into the kind of energy that we know –
real electromagnetic energy. When we discharge this capacitor, it has the
current and it has the voltage.

H: Is there any difference between electromagnetic energy and magnetic

energy?

B: No, they’re one and the same thing.

There’s something very interesting here. If people understood that what they
call “static” electricity—like a lightning bolt comes from what is always termed
static electricity, you follow what I’m saying?

H: Yes.

B: Suppose we captured it in a storage capacitor and then we discharged that

storage capacitor to our load. That would be real energy, you see? Now static
electricity – something that’s considered “useless” – is no longer useless.

H: That’s right…

B: In other words, if Benjamin Franklin had only figured out to discharge the
Leyden Jar to a battery, we would have had this a long time ago.

H: Well, as we’ll find out, especially next hour, it seems that a long time
ago some other people knew about this—

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B: Absolutely.

H: —and we’re going to talk about a group of them. It’s obvious that their
methods, their ideas and their works were suppressed. I was fascinated,
and I think our listeners are going to be pretty surprised, as to some of
the ways these inventors and their work has been suppressed. Next
hour we’re going to touch on Gabriel Kron, who stated in rather certain
terms that “Negative resistors were available for use on the network
analyzer” and find out exactly what that means, because—Boy! If
people were to examine that carefully, Kron would all of a sudden have
become a demigod.

We’ll be back with our guest, John Bedini, Free Energy Generation:
Circuits & Schematics from 20 Bedini-Bearden years. You can get that
book, you can order it online, at SkyMeadowMedia.com. To follow
along with our interview tonight, go to John Bedini’s website by
clicking on his name on the front page of 21stCenturyRadio.com.

H: John, in January, 1945, in the journal Physical Review, Gabriel Kron

states in no uncertain terms that “Negative resistors were available for
use on the network analyzer .” What does this mean?

B: Well, Gabriel Kron was absolutely right in what he said, but of course you
must remember that everything Gabriel Kron wrote was heavily edited, so that
some of his discoveries remained concealed. But if you remember correctly, I
worked with Floyd Sweet, and Gabriel Kron was Floyd Sweet’s mentor. To
Floyd, Gabriel Kron was someone who was just a god.

I want to read you two different quotes from Gabriel Kron, and explain what
they mean.

“The missing concepts of open paths (the dual of closed paths) was
discovered in which currents could be made to flow in branches that lie
between any set of two nodes.”

Now I’m going to stop right there for a second, and I’m going to say that
describes the Monopole Energizer – because it has an open path and it has a
closed path. And remember, it’s flowing, so:

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“Previously, following Maxwell, engineers tied all of their open paths to a

single point, the ground.”

Following this convention, engineers always said, “Let’s ground every point in
the circuit. When we make a circuit, we tie everything to ground.” That
returns the energy back to the negative terminal of the battery, which just kills
the dipole. But when you open that path, you establish a second rectangular
transformation matrix, which creates laminar
There are no currents, all right? So we tap that, and we send that
closed paths in by opening; we do not want a closed system. All
nature. An open
nature’s systems are open. You don’t see a big wire
path establishes a
shorting out the sky completely around the earth. I
second
mean I would hate to see that! (laughs). What we see
rectangular
transformation
is an open sky. And what we see in nature are no
matrix, creating
closed paths, you know? A river does what it does. It
laminar currents. starts out at a certain point and there’s nothing
restricting that river. Of course, man restricts the
river. And by restricting the river, we get
energy…but we’re restricting the river!

But if we do this with circuits – in other words if we take the circuit and we do
not tie all these points to ground – we’re returning right back to Tesla, the one-
wire system, where nothing is returned to ground. So therefore we can gather
the energy which the “aether” or the “vacuum of space” (as it is sometimes
termed) wants to input into the circuit, if we don’t short out the dipole. I
mean we spin our generators all day long, but here is something that’s very
important.

Gabriel Kron also said,

“When only positive and negative real numbers exist, it is customary to

replace the positive resistance by an inductance [so that’s a coil] and the
negative resistance by a capacitor.”

Now remember what I said earlier on. I said that in the Monopole System
we’re using the coil in the normal, conventional-physics part of the circuit, but
we’re hitting the coil with pulses so that we do not burn up the dipole. In
other words, we want to pulse, we want to hit. Turn it on, turn it off, turn it
on, turn it off. We want to capture this either in a storage battery or in a
capacitor, because that’s the only place that we can get the negative resistance
from.

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H: And the negative resistance produces what?

B: Well, that’s what was available at the time on the practical network analyzers.
So Kron knew it was in the system, and he knew how to capture it and run the
analyzer from a capacitor. See? He was pumping the system, and then he was
capturing the energy by not tying all the points to ground. Are you following
me?

H: Yes.

B: And then he was powering the analyzer with it.

H: When you say “analyzer,” what are you referring to?

B: The network analyzers2 that they were using at the time.

H: Yes. This was 1945.

B: 1945. Because Kron knew that if he killed the dipole in the analyzer, then he
would have to keep adding power to run it. But if he didn’t kill the dipole, he
could run it; he could keep feeding the energy back. I’ve seen this. I’ve
absolutely seen this in Floyd Sweet’s work. Because that’s exactly what
[Sweet’s] Vacuum Triode Amplifier was.

H: Well, this seems, you know, it seems relatively simple!

B: It is.

H: In catching this energy. And it’s so simple in some ways that a number
of individuals—

B: Well, Dr. Bob, it’s like a bobby pin. Look how simple a bobby pin is. But yet
there are people who can’t understand a bobby pin. What can you do with it?
You can do a lot of different things with a bobby pin … the point being that
we wanted to make the Monopole System as simple as possible for engineers
to test. This is why we developed this system -- because we wanted the
common layman to see how, using just a primary source, he could (1) get

2 The Network Analyzer was an analog computer, one of the most sophisticated computing machines of its
day, which performed complicated calculations by simulating them in analog circuitry. Combinations of
circuit components in specific arrangements represented different terms in a mathematical equation that
engineers wanted to solve. Engineers would “program” the network analyzer by assembling the necessary
components into a specific configuration. The analyzer’s output, a specific voltage level converted back into a
precise number, represented the result of the computation. Kron’s comment relates to the fact that the
network analyzer had ways to represent both positive and negative real numbers.

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mechanical energy and (2) charge a second battery. Now that’s a hell of
machine, isn’t it?

H: Of course, of course!

B: That’s a hell of a toy. When you have a machine that you can run and take
mechanical energy from if you want to, if you built it big enough, and you can
charge a secondary battery so all the waste was captured, that would be one
hell of a machine.

H: Now as I noted, and some people who have been listening to us for the
past 20 years realize that some individuals have accomplished this a
long, long time ago.

B: Oh yeah, many.

H: We’ve talked about Nikola Tesla. But please introduce us to Nathan

Stubblefield, 1860 – 1928. Who was he, was he one of those Ph.D.-types
of people?

B: No, Stubblefield was a Kentucky farmer who used the earth currents for
power. He figured out how to take energy from the ground through the use
of his batteries, and he would run his telephone system and he would go for
miles. He also ran a pulse motor, like we’re talking about right here, that ran
and ran and ran and ran. Of course that can be found on my webpages at
http://www.icehouse.net/John34/stubblefield.html. So I wanted to
reproduce every experiment that Nathan Stubblefield ever did, and that is
exactly what I did.

I spent two or three years sticking rods into the ground, building his antenna
systems, growing silver crystals from the ground to see what the patterns were,
and you know what? There never was any source of electrical energy that you
can measure, because we don’t have any instruments that measure this aetheric
energy. It’s the same energy as if you’re using, let’s just say you’re using what
your grandfather did, you influence the aetheric energy with the impulses, and
then of course it’s everywhere at one time. See how brilliant he was?

H: He created a phone, a telephone, back there in— I don’t know the

exact date he did this, but he created at telephone where he would stick
a couple of rods in the ground and communicate with other people.

B: Absolutely! He ran a whole telephone system.

H: (Chuckling)

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B: What got him, Bob, was that people heard weird sounds coming from his little
cabin at night. And of course what he was doing was listening to the energy
that was coming from the ground. In other words, we probably would call
that today whistlers, where lightning strikes something [on the other side of the
earth, and the electrical impulse travels around the earth, producing an audible
tone or radio signal that can be heard far, far from its source]. But think about
this.—in the 1800s … it was unheard of.

H: Well, he had a sad demise—

B: —yes, he did—

H: —as did many others, as we’re going to touch on. Before we can get to
that, we’re going to take our first break of this hour and come back with
you for another ten or so minutes so that we can get to some of these
other people, and then, we need to, we don’t have time to do this
sufficiently, of course and that’s why you’re going to be joining us
periodically over the next several months, to get to the point of how our
listeners can tap into your work on the internet and reading this
material and also especially watching the DVDs. With our guest, John
Bedini, Free Energy Generation: Circuits & Schematics from 20 Bedini-
Bearden years. And two DVDs, Energy from the Vacuum, and you can
order the book online at SkyMeadowMedia.com. You can follow along
on John Bedini’s website icehouse.net/John34/index.htm by clicking
his name – John Bedini – on the front page of 21stCenturyRadio.com.

H: We just have, unfortunately, only fifteen minutes left with John Bedini,
Free Energy Generation: Circuits & Schematics from 20 Bedini-
Bearden years. You can go to John Bedini’s website by clicking on his
name on the front page of 21stCenturyRadio.com.

Now I don’t want to spend a lot of time with the examples of

suppression because it really tears you to pieces. It really does. Nathan
Stubblefield was doing all of this, a Kentucky farmer, who seemed to
understand—I don’t know exactly how he accomplished this and how it
began— But what happened to Stubblefield?

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B: What happened to Stubblefield was, number one, he didn’t work the farm. He
was more interested in his experiments. So he was very poor. Nathan
Stubblefield used to spend most of his time as a youth reading everything that
was published on electrical science. If you go to my pages on Stubblefield at
icehouse.net/John34/stubblefield.html , you’ll see Tesla standing in one of the
When you plant an pictures. I’ve drawn an arrow3 . So Tesla knew of this system at the time. And
earth battery in the other thing is that Nathan was very ingenious in how he constructed his
the ground, it devices. He said in no uncertain terms that these things grow. In other
grows in energy, words, when you put something into the ground, the earth battery grows in
producing not
energy. But it’s not the kind of energy that would normally give the massive
electron currents
amounts of electron current that we’re familiar with in the text. What we’re
but an aetheric
energy.
talking about is an aetheric energy. Once you learn how to utilize the flow of
this energy, you can accomplish things, because the electrical energy gets
transformed in the devices. And therefore it works just as if you turn the wall
switch on, just like normal electricity. And so Nathan Stubblefield probably
starved to death, number one. He was found in his cabin, but when they
broke the door in they noticed—they couldn’t understand because it was in
winter—that it was toasty warm inside there. And what they discovered was
these two shiny metal plates that were facing each other. They found the
cables later on that went out and they were buried, and he was actually drawing
this aetheric energy to heat himself in this cabin. So he was quite a genius at
the time. Also what got him looked at, probably, was that he was lighting up
the hillside. He was able to take the aetheric energy, transform it into light and
light up the whole hillside.

H: This sounds like the same kind of light that so many UFO reports have
reported for generations that they obviously—

B: —kind of like a great big gigantic corona discharge—

H: Correct. Now he was only one of many, and we’re not going to have a
chance to talk about many more of these today, because I want to get
into what you have decided to do in putting your information online
and what that means and why you did it. I want to spend our last
moments on that. But there were others, such as Antonio Meucci, T.
Henry Moray, Dr. Steven Marinoff, oh my Lord! Don Maxwell, the
Edward Gray motor, the same story almost told over and over again,
different people discovering the simple way of drawing radiant energy
from mother earth.

3 Tesla appears to be the 6th person from the right.

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B: Well, Dr. Bob, I always felt, in my own mind, that everybody should know
what energy is. Everybody should have this knowledge, no matter who they
are, and if they need energy they should be able to get energy for themselves.
It shouldn’t be controlled. So what I did was in 1984 I published that first little
book4 , and of course Jim Watson built that machine from that book and they
Everybody should
sort of suppressed that. Jim Watson was carried off into a foreign land and of
have this course they told me to buy gasoline – and I did – but I worked on building
knowledge so they something that everybody could build. So what I did, when I got this thing to
can get energy for work, was to immediately publish the information. I put it on the Internet.
themselves. The Internet was just getting started at the time, so everything that I worked
Energy shouldn’t on and everything that I did I posted to the internet, because I felt that why
be controlled. should this be suppressed? People are either going to do it or they’re not
going to do it. And of course they did, all kinds of groups were started and
people started building these machines, and as I said they’re still continuing to
this day. Out of all this, you know, we’re going to have energy one day from
this.

H: I have one more question in regards to all these individuals that got
suppressed. How did the oil companies go about the suppression of
these motors?

B: Well they had people canvassing for these types of devices, and what they
would do is they would make you the one offer too good to refuse. And of
course if you didn’t take the offer you ended up in a ditch somewhere. So if
you continued, you ended up in a ditch.

H: But before that step of throwing you in a ditch, which is murder, would
they pay you off?

B: Yeah. They’d pay you off and suppress it.

H: Which means they own what you did, but if you even continued to go
on and you still didn’t get thrown in the ditch or shot and killed one way
or the other, they had a device that when you— Let’s say you went on
the Steve Allen Show and you wanted to demonstrate the effectiveness
of one of these motors. How would they go about destroying your
ability to do so?

B: They did have a device. Of course that does not work with the monopole.
The monopole just keeps on working. But they did have a device—

H: What it like a little box or something?

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B: Yes, a little box and they would disrupt the fields in the room around the
device so it would not work.

H: Very simple, and very effective. It would make you look like a total
idiot—

B: And a while back, Bob Beck proved that with a device, you know, when he
said, when they entered the courtroom they’d switch on their device and the
person became a babbling idiot, and then of course when their man was up
there they’d switch the device off, you follow me?

H: Yeah, of course.

B: I mean, it’s something that they’ve done all along.

H: They have been doing this for at least 100 years?

B: Right. Anything that had to do, let’s say, with a carburetor, let’s say with an
engine, that was extraordinary—these things are shelved. You know at any
point in time, to make all this stuff, they could come out and say, “Look what
we’ve got.”

H: Do you think they have destroyed these devices, or they’re waiting for
us to run out of oil?

B: I would think they’re not concerned with us at all. We’re just what they term
as “useless eaters,” Dr. Bob.

H: But they would still have these machines for themselves?

B: Absolutely. They’re going to power their own future with this. It’s just that
the rest of us can’t have it.

H: What kind of people are these?

B: They’re evil. You know, they could just care less about whether or not you
have oil, whether you’re driving to work or not or have food on your table.
They’re non-caring.

H: Now back to, most importantly, because many of us had assumed a

long time ago, we could not find the evidence as to how, all of a sudden
these machines were demonstrated frequently, all of a sudden failed at
crucial tests—

B: Yeah, they did, they failed at crucial tests.

H: And obviously that made everyone think this is just a bunch of stuff.

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B: Right, they make it look like a bunch of hooey. They did the same thing, and
when they couldn’t accomplish it one way, they accomplish it another way, like
they did with [the TV show] Myth Busters with me, where they hired a college
professor to build the machine, and of course the college professor left the
coils and the magnets off, so why should the machine work?

H: This sounds very similar to my uncle, Thomas Galen Hieronymus,

going through very similar experiences at the Patent Office. Galen was
an extraordinary soul—

B: Right. It works but it doesn’t work, and now it doesn’t work but this works—
And on and on and on and on, until they just run you out of money, you
know, and you can’t do anything after that.

H: Now where are you today, and what are you up to, right now?

B:
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I’m into making sure that the Monopole groups are running correctly. And
I’m into giving out as much information as I can on the systems that we’re
building. And we’re also, as you know, we’re a public company, and we build
chargers, we build battery chargers that use portions of this waveform and
energy in the charging systems, but we limit that in that we want to supply this
energy to the battery, so let’s say we have an electric vehicle and the electric
vehicle is getting 20 miles. We want to double that to 40 miles, so we allow the
machine to double your mileage each time. So in other words when you
charge your car, instead of giving you the 20 miles that you normally used to
get, now you get 40 miles. Of course, the better the system, the more [radiant]
energy you put in [with our chargers], why, the more you’ll see these gains in
the battery. That’s what we’re working on right now.

We’re also working on solar systems that charge in the dark in the moonlight.
And we’re working on battery chargers that can bring batteries back from what
we term “the dead,” batteries that were not usable. The result is less lead going
into the landfills, because we’re able to use the battery again.

H: As a matter of fact, on the DVDs you show that process. You show the
process of taking dead car batteries and charging them with a handful
of AA batteries.

B: Yes, I do. We actually take low batteries in the DVD – we’re not running any
fully charged batteries at all – and we’re charging dead batteries and bringing
them back, and we’re explaining in that DVD exactly what is causing this to
happen. This was part of a series that I promised Tom Bearden that I would
do a long time ago, and I would make the information available to the general
public, which I did. And there wasn’t a problem in doing that. I want
everybody to know that we don’t have to spin these big generators at the

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power plants to get energy. We can do this. We can actually make this
happen.

H: So, friends, let me suggest that you go to 21stCenturyRadio.com, click

on John Bedini’s name, and start educating yourself.

Would you suggest that some of these individuals who are savvy about
batteries and that type of thing make their attempt at building these?

B: Absolutely. I think everybody should experiment for themselves. We don’t

learn unless we experiment with something.

H: Very good! John and I have talked at some length and for the next year
or so, he’s going to be joining us periodically to give us some updates
and to continually encourage us, because if you think that gas is going
to just hit a measly $4.00 and then stop, you’re wrong!

B: It’s going to go up.

H: John, I think when we talked the other day you saw it at $6.60.

B: I have a feeling that they’re shooting for $7.00 a gallon. And you know some
of these science fiction movies, Dr. Bob, that are out there … you’d better pay
close attention because it’s actually happening.

H: Well, some of the science fiction movies are bankrolled by the CIA.

B: Well, of course!

H: I don’t think our listeners realize that! (laughing)

B: Well, I think you’ve got a great listening crowd, and I think that if they would
just do the experiments, they would find out that this can be done. And then
if we could get some people involved in this who want to absolutely find out
exactly what the energy really is, that’s what we need. This is not anything that
I want to hide at all. I want people to build it. I want people to find out for
themselves what this is.

H: Now, friends, you should do that again. You should go up to

21stCenturyRadio.com and go to John Bedini’s website by clicking on
his name on the front page, it’s going to be there for a long time. John,
eighteen years was indeed too long, and we look forward to you joining
us in the months ahead so that our listeners can update themselves in
the area where our media is not interested.

B: I’m more than happy to join you, Dr. Bob, any time and talk about this.

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H: Thank you, John.

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