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MOHAN KUMAR. R.
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MK RULE OF BTVR
(BIRTH TIME VERIFICATION AND RECTIFICATION)
In KP Astrology, even a small difference of less than one minute is likely to reflect a change in
the
Ascendants precise position at the Sublord level, which can mean a totally
different birth.
It is this factor of minute difference in the Birth Time, capable of changing the Ascendants
Sublord,
that has given scope for the need of a Verification and
Rectification Technique, and hence this article.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(A part of this Article was presented by the author in the 6th Annual Souvenir of PAVARS on
23.1.2005)
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My respects to
Salem,
my second Master
my third Master
my fourth Master
and my fifth Master
My Special Thanks to my BTV Master
(without whose guidelines this MK Rule of BTVR would not have come into
existence at all.)
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All these years, in Traditional Method of Vedic Astrology, Moon Sign (Birth
Rasi) has been predominantly handled more than the Birth Ascendant
(Lagna), which we are aware of.
Using the Moon Signs (Birth Rasis), in the natal horoscopes of Twins, whose
biological births occur within a few minutes of interval of, say, 5 to 15
minutes or 30 minutes, we are not able to understand the cause for the
difference in the life events of these two in question.
Evidently, the reason is that the Moon Signs, denoting the Moon positions in
a particular Constellation in the birth horoscopes of the twins (their Birth
Stars), show no difference of any sort, except in rare cases.
But, as per KP method of casting natal horoscopes, the Ascendant positions
of such twins
do reveal a clear difference at the Sub level division in a
Constellation (Star) within a Sign.
And, in contrast to the traditional
way, the Ascendant is exclusively handled to determine the destiny of the
natives.
So, as it is claimed in KP Astrology, this Ascendant Sublord (the Lord of the
Sub-division), along with the Sublords of the other eleven corresponding
Cuspal Points, (the starting points
of the Houses, calculated as per
Placidus System) account for the vast differences in the
life matters
of the Twins, born within a short interval.
The Sub-divisions tenanted by the twelve Cuspal Points, as headed by the
Ascendant, reason out the aspect of individuality even between twins or
triplets or quadruplets, as the case may be.
This criterion of a Cuspal Point posited in a particular Sub-division in a Star
constitutes the core idea of KRISHNAMURTI PADHDHATI, shortly called KP
System, which is an advanced system of astrology, based on such stellar
sub-divisions of the zodiac.
I feel that we should attribute the above aspect of individuality revealed by
the Ascendant Sublord not only to twins but also to every single birth. This
means that the Ascendant Sublord reveals a quality specific to any individual
birth, be it a twin or not.
Such an Ascendant Sublord is directly related to a particular Birth Time in a
particular Place, based on the factors of calculation involved in the casting of
the horoscope, as per KP.
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(I joined his KP class as the 62nd student in the year 1996 and
had coaching on the basics of KP for about 2 years. That he has,
till date, trained nearly thousand students on this subject, stands
as a testimony of his untiring sincere service to this science of KP
Astrology.
He deserves to be applauded by all of us.
Guruve Namah)
Various Methods of BTR:
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Step: 1.
When you take up a natives chart for analysis, note down the
RPs of that moment; i.e., Ruling Planets (5) at the Time of Analysis
(RPs @TOA), namely the Lagna Signlord and Starlord, Moon Signlord
and Starlord, and Daylord.
Step: 2.
Calculate the Ascendant point in Deg.Min.Sec.(DMS) for the
Given Birth Time, as per KP principles.
Step: 3. The Asc. Sublord appearing for the Given Birth Time (GBT) is to be
replaced by the
strongest of all Ruling Planets (that which appears the most times).
Step: 4.
Then,the next strongest RP would take the position as
Ascendants SubSublord, and this SubSublord is to determine the sex
of the native, as male or female, which
we come to know by
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Step:
Step:
Step:
Step:
That is it.
(Note:
One can see in the above method that no
connection of the Ascendant Sublord
to the Birth Moons position is involved or
considered.)
Moreover, the master used to insist that the correct birth time would always
be prior to the Given Birth Time, i.e. a few minutes lesser only. Why?
His answer was: At that juncture, the doctors would only be bothered about
saving the lives
of the mother and the new-born baby. It means that the
birth time is likely to be noted by
the doctors or others concerned only
after everything seems to be fine inside the labor room.
(Is that so?
Readers, what do you think?)
Unfortunately, his coaching to me discontinued shortly with this calculation
part.
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gave some confusion due to some printing errors in the examples shown in
it. In the book, the author had referred many of Shri.KSKs concepts.
The one which is relevant now is: (by Shri.KSK):
Birth Ascendants position will be reflected in Moons position at
the Time of Analysis and that of Birth Moons position will be seen
in Ascendants position at TOA.
i.e. Birth Ascendant is to match with Moon at TOA,
and Birth Moon is to match with Ascendant at TOA.
The contents of this small book impressed me so much that as a matter of
my destiny,
I got associated with my third Master and started
learning Cuspal Interlinks Theory,
advancement on KP as it is
claimed and it is, indeed.
When it came to quench my thirst on BTR, I saw my Madurai Master
replacing the Birth Ascendants Sublord (of Given Time), just like
that, with the Moons SubSubSublord at the TOA (RP Moons SSS lord
or the Sookshama Lord, as he calls it).
i.e., RP Moons SSS lord @ TOA replaces the Birth Ascendant
Sublord.
In the year 2000, at that stage of learning, I was really shocked at the
simplicity of this method. Oh! Thats all! Its so easy!
But, what is the logic behind this and how far this works out for results on the
basis of his above said Cuspal Interlinks Theory is a question that needs
answer from his side.
In his method, he didnt consider determining the sex of the native in any
way. By some logical reasoning known only to him, he told me that the sex
of the native cannot be determined at all in any chart!??
You can determine the sex of your children from your chart, but
there is no way
to determine by your own chart whether
you are a male or a female was his shocking answer to my question
on it.
After about a 2-year association with him as a direct student of his, much to
my disappointment, I had to decline his principles, because the BTR done in
his method for
my birth time and the corresponding chart of mine
could neither expose the past events of
my life in a clear manner at that
time nor could foresee the prospects of my progeny matter correctly, as my
wife and I were longing for a child for nearly fifteen years till then.
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(May be I studied it in its trial phase. I hope he has got his theory improved
by this time.)
As I had put more faith on the basic principles of KP Astrology as given by
Shri.KSK, I dropped both the above two methods for the main reason that
they did not warrant any connection between the Birth Ascendants position
and the Birth Moons position.
My quest for the right solution continued.
Well, coming back to the subject matter, we shall ponder into the basic
principles of Birth Time Rectification as given by our Guruji KSK.
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Here, we must take the SubSubSub lord (SSS), which should tell the
Birth Star.
A Birth has several stages like first cry, placed on earth (boopadhana),
Siras Udhayam, Normal delivery, Caessarean, and so on. Under such
circumstances, you cannot stick to
one method of thinking alone.
As the Birth Lagna Sublord has interconnection with Moon by four levels
as explained above, this Lagna Sub if it, in any manner, touches the Birth
Star, that time is the Correct Birth Time. You may have to work up to
Sookshama level at times.
Yes, here is the real clue The connection of Birth Asc. Sublord with Birth
(Moon) Star.
What Guruji KSK meant, Shri. MPS has explained. This clue will certainly
serve our purpose to a great level. No doubt in it. We need to give a try on
it, thats all.
I have accepted these four rules as they are and I do apply the same to start
with for every chart I take up for analysis.
Let me illustrate Shri.M.P.Shanmugams Four Rules of Birth Time
Verification technique:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------MPS Rule No.1:
The Birth Lagna Sublord itself may be the Birth Star.
Native:
MALE
Planet
Moon
11.35 N; 77.50 E (+
5.30 )
Sign
Lord
Mer
Asce
ndant Jup
KP Ayanamsa: 23.24.34
Star
Lord
Sun
Sub
Lord
Mer
SS
Lord
Rah
SSS
Lord
Moo
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Planet
Moon
11.30 N; 77.53 E (+
5.30 )
Ket
Asce
ndan
t
Sign
Lord
Moo
Star
Lord
Jup
Sub
Lord
Mar
Ven
Jup
Mer
Planet
Moon
Mar
Ven
Sat
Ve
Sun Ket n
Mer
Sign
Lord
Jup
Star
Lord
Mer
Sub
Lord
Sat
SS
Lord
Mar
SSS
Lord
Jup
Sun
Ket
Mer
MAr
Jup
Ma
Sat Mar
r
Ra
h
Sat
Sat
KP Ayanamsa: 23.18.28
Native:
MALE
SS
SSS
Lord Lord
Moo Sun
09.56 N; 78.07 E (+
5.30 )
KP Ayanamsa: 23.16.50
Asce
ndan
t
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Native:
MALE
Planet
Sun
08.54 N; 76.43 E (+
5.30 )
Moon
Asce
ndan
t
KP Ayanamsa: 23.39.56
Sign
Lord
Sat
Star
Lord
Sun
Sub
Lord
Jup
SS
Lord
Moo
SSS
Lord
Rah
Ven
Rah
Ven
Sat
Jup
Planet
Moon
11.39 N; 78.10 E (+
5.30 )
Sign
Lord
Ven
Star
Lord
Rah
Sub
Lord
Sat
SS
Lord
Jup
SSS
Lord
Ven
Ven
Ven
Mar
Mar
Sat
Ven
Rah
Ven
Jup
Sat
Rah
Asce
ndan
t
Jup
Mar
KP Ayanamsa: 23.34.31
Native:FEM
ALE
Planet
Moon
Jup
Sign
Lord
Mer
Star
Lord
Sun
Sub
Lord
Jup
SS
Lord
Jup
SSS
Lord
Jup
Mar
Sat
Mar
Ven
Sun
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11.45 N; 78.03 E (+
5.30 )
Rah
Asce
ndan
t
Sat
Mar
KP Ayanamsa: 23.21.59
Mar
Jup
Sat Rah
Moo
Jup
Ra
h
Moo
With this powerful tool of MPS in hand, it becomes much easier for us to shed
our doubt on the Given Birth Time and to proceed on to the predictive side.
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As understood by me, this is what our Guruji could have meant by his
formula, in saying that
"Lagna should, in any manner, be connected to Moon."
With this understanding and with the above clues from the great masters,
and with their blessings, it so happened that I worked out a technique to
sustain the underlying meaning, and at the same time got the rules
extended by logical derivation, as I deemed it to be fit.
I would certainly appreciate any other technique followed by others in this
regard, provided
it gives better results. In my experience, any method of
doing a correction on Birth Time alone would not serve our purpose at all. It
is the predictive part that needs more attention and success thereof.
However, to start with, we need to convince ourselves with the Birth Time
given so as to proceed further with some confidence. Mind it, not all clients
will encourage our correction
on their birth times. They want only our
prediction, and not our manipulation of their Birth Time. So, Birth Time
Rectification is only an astrologers part of doing his job, so to say.
With this, I call upon your kind attention to my MK Rule of BTVR in the
following lines. I hope the below technique of mine will help our community
of KP astrologers to experiment and cherish the results for better
understanding of KP charts in particular and the secrets of astrology in
general.
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Hence, the Ascendant position (denoting ones Destiny) and the Moon
position (denoting Periods in the path to Destiny and ruling ones Mind, too)
has to comply with each other
in the right manner.
Our Destiny (Ascendant-Lagna) rules over our Mind (Moon). Our Mind, in
turn, stimulates our action or no-action efforts, which lead us to pleasure or
hardship in every walk of our lives.
In this sense too, the Ascendant and the Moon are inter-connected in our
horoscopes.
In ones horoscope, Moons position at the Sub level will hold good for a few
hours; contrarily, the Ascendants position at the Sub level can change within
minutes.
Hence, it is the duty of a KP astrologer to adjust the Ascendants position to
be in tune with that of Moon. This criterion is a must as advised by our
Guruji.
In KP system, the Sub-division of the Constellation in a zodiac Sign would
indicate the precise position of an Ascendant for a given time in a given
place;
i.e. The Ascendant is indicated by a combination of a Signlord, a Starlord and
a Sublord.
In order to determine if the Ascendant Sublord for a Given Birth Time is the
right one or not, consider the below MK Rules of BTVR (Birth Time
Verification and Rectification).
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Note: This Ascendant Sublord will hold good for a few minutes plus or minus from
the Given Birth Time.
If Asc.Sublord(A)/AsStarlord/AsSublord is in 120aspect
with Moons SignL/StarL/SubL/SSL/ SSSL
If the Ascendants Sublord (A), or As Starlord or As Sublord is in 120
aspect ( +/- 6 orb) with any one of the five planets governing Moons
position, i.e. Moons SignL/StarL/SubL/SSL/SSSL, then consider the above
Ascendants Sublord as the right one.
Note: This Ascendant Sublord will hold good for a few minutes plus or minus from
the Given Birth Time.
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Asc.Sublord(A)/AsStarlord/AsSublord
is
in
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SignL/StarL/SubL
/SSL/SSSL
OR is in 0conjunction
with Moons
SignL/StarL/SubL
/SSL/SSSL
If the Ascendants Sublord (A) is a Node, the above rules hold well as such
directly for a Node. Indirectly, a Node being an Agent to its Signlord (B), if
that (B) or Bs Starlord or Sublord is the same as Moons
SignL/StarL/SubL/SSL/SSSL, the above Node appearing as the Ascendants
Sublord is deemed to be the right one.
Note: This Ascendant Sublord will hold good for a few minutes plus or minus from
the Given Birth Time.
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Planet
Moon
Asce
ndant
Sign
Lord
Mer
Star
Lord
Sun
Sub
Lord
Mer
SS
Lord
Rah
SSS
Lord
Moo
Jup
Mer
Sun
Mer
Moo
Native: Male
Planet
Moon
Ven
Sign
Lord
Jup
Mer
Star
Lord
Sun
Rah
Sub
Lord
Rah
Mar
SS
Lord
Rah
Ven
SSS
Lord
Sat
Ven
Asce Mer
ndant
Mar
Ven
Ven
Sat
SS
Lord
Sat
Jup
SSS
Lord
Ven
Mer
Native: Baby
Planet
Moon
Mer
Sign
Lord
Ven
Mer
Star
Lord
Mar
Sun
Sub
Lord
Jup
Sat
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Note: It is most likely that two or more of the above MK Rules suit
well in a KP chart for a
Given Birth Time. This only ensures the condition we are
seeking. So, it is doubly okay.
Another important point to note:
Question:
What
happens
when
Moon
appears
as
Ascendant Sublord?
Those who are very shrewd would notice that, (as it happened to me), with
any rules as this one, by which the Ascendant Sublord is supposed to have
some connection with the Birth Moons position (or Moons Star, in
particular), there will arise a problem of understanding when the Ascendant
Sublord appears as Moon itself. I have seen people considering this situation
as a very perfect one, because Moon itself has come as the Ascendant
Sublord.
or Sub or
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4. If Asc. Sublord is a
Node (A)
then directly as
above,
OR indirectly
if Nodes Signlord (B)
or
Bs Starlord
or
Bs Sublord
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But, in MK Rule, the focus is on the Moons precise position, wherein all
the planets governing that position is taken into consideration, i.e.
Moons Signlord/ Starlord/ Sublord/ SSlord or SSSlord.
If WHY SO? is your question, then WHY NOT? is my answer.
Here is my logic behind this:
We all know:
Moons Starlord means the Dasa lord, the lord of the major period at the
time of ones birth.
Now, let us suppose that a native is born in Venus Dasa, Kethu Bhukthi with
a balance period of one year or so, would he experience the potential of the
Dasa Lord Venus to a maximum level be it good or bad? No, certainly not, I
think so.
With the influence of all the other eight Bhukthi lords having passed over
before birth, the Dasa Lord Venus himself will be at an almost exhausted
stage to execute whatever powers he has with him.
Now that the last Bhukthi Lord Kethu is in for action, associated with its
master-the Dasa Lord, Venus, the very birth of the native has taken place. By
this, we can understand that this one Bhukthi Lord, with one particular
Anthara Lord and lastly with one particular Sookshama Lord, has come
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forward, during Venus Dasa period, to trigger the very birth of the native, on
a particular date, at a particular hour, and within that hour at a particular
minute.
These Lords of the periods namely Dasa, Bhukthi, Anthara, Sookshama
Lords (DBAS Lords) who, acting jointly as a combined force to trigger the
natives birth, are none but those indicating the Moons position at that time.
All the events experienced by a native, good and bad during his life time, are
only the results of such a combination of these DBAS lords, acting at a
particular point of time in his life.
This combination of DBAS is like a perfect string of participants in an event
program, wherein we cut at any point to ignore someone, and the event does
not happen at all.
So, each participant, for his unique quality, should be considered and rather
not underestimated anytime.
Therefore, it would be only logical, and not otherwise, to connect the
Ascendant Sublord with any one of these DBAS lords at the time of birth.
The readers may kindly note that until this stage of checking the Ascendant
Sublords connection to the Moons position, no Rulings Planets are required
at all. This means that the said connection has to exist by itself, naturally, in
the incidence of a birth.
Readers need not be carried away by this point too much. Dont expect,
dont assume, dont doubt it, or, for the sake of it, dont even raise an
argument whether, in any given place, at a time when the Ascendant
Sublord gets connected with the Moons position in the above said ways,
there must be a birth. No, it need not be so. The idea applies only for the
births that occur. It is not absolutely necessary that birth should occur for a
condition as discussed above.
Now, suppose this Asc. Sublord appearing for the given time does not
connect with the Moons position, in any of the above said manner, then it
becomes necessary that Ascendant Sublord be changed so as to get that
connection with the Moon.
Now arises a question, Who else can take the place of the Asc.
Sublord?
Naturally, we would prefer the one prior to or the one after that Ascendant
Sublord.
Which one of these two?
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Here is the situation where we need the help of the Ruling Planets, which
we must note down at the time of taking the horoscope for analysis.
What is the role of these Rulings Planets (RPs) that emerge at the
Time Of Analysis (TOA)?
Our Guruji KSK guides us by his following words:
1. The RPs at the TOA will be the RPs at the TOB (Time Of Birth);
i.e. the four RPs at the TOA will indicate the four planets ruling the
Ascendant point;
@ TOA, The Daylord, Moons Starlord, Moons Signlord and Asc. Signlord (
4 planets)
will show @ TOB, Ascendants Signlord, Starlord, Sublord and
SubSublord (4 planets).
(But, whether we have to consider in the same order as given above is
not clear.)
2. The RP Ascendants Sign at the TOA is the Moons Sign at
birth;
i.e. @ TOA, the Ascendant will be in a Sign; that Sign is the Moons sign
at TOB.
3. Moons position at the TOA will show the Ascendant at the
TOB;
i.e. @ TOA, the Moon will be in Sign; that Sign is the Ascendants Sign at
TOB.
Now, by MK Rule, take the RP Moons position at TOA,
i.e. Moons Signlord, Starlord, Sublord, SSL, SSSL.
(five planets)
From these, note the one that goes prior to or comes after the Ascendant
Sublord, which we want to change. Consider the new one selected from the
RP Moons position at the TOA,
and see if it has any connection to the
Birth Moons position, as per MK Rule. Then decide that one as the new
Ascendant Sublord.
(Mind that you dont go for the ones that are still farther from the original
one, lest you should give much difference between the New and the Given
Birth Time.)
With these guidelines, we can now try to fix the Ascendant SubSublord. This
is the point where we can determine the sex of the native, whether a male or
a female.
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How to determine the best one among those remaining in the RP Moons
position?
Compare the significators in the RP Moons position and those in RP
Ascendants position at the Time of Analysis (TOA).
Select the one which appears common at both the points. This is the strong
significator.
At this juncture, we can even take a look if that strong significator repeats
itself at the
7th Cuspal Point too.
(Why? Just to add more weight age to it. Why 7 th Cuspal Point? RP Moon at
TOA indicates Natives Ascendant at TOB. If so, what role can we
assign to the RP Ascendant at TOA? Will it not mean something? Well, I
consider it as the Astrologers point who seeks the answer for the
doubt on natives Birth Time. (That is why we have to compare the
RP Moons position with the RP Ascendant position to get a strong
significator.)
If RP Ascendant Point at TOA denotes the
th
astrologer, the 7 Cusp, the opponents point, would again mean the
natives Ascendant Point. But, this 7th Cuspal Point at TOA is only
secondary in nature to that of RP Moon at TOA
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In the natives chart of given time, see whether there are any other planets
posited in this SSSLords Stars. If not so, then the SSSL should be the one
posited in a male sign of the zodiac if the native is a male or in a female sign
if the native is a female.
If this is opposite, i.e. the SSSLord of the selected Significator is in a female
sign for a males chart, then drop that Significator and consider the next
stronger one from RP Moon position
at TOA. Check again to see if the
SSSLord of the Significator (of second choice) is in a male sign of a males
chart and so on till someone suits well.
Now, suppose there is a planet in the Star of the Significators SSSLord, then
go for the Starlord of this SSSLord, who should be posited in a male sign to
denote the native as a male.
It may so happen, sometimes, that the SSSlords (the deciding factors) of all
the available Significators, who are deemed to be the Ascendants
SubSublord, are all in the female signs
in males chart, or all in the male
signs in a females chart, which is a mismatch for indication
of sex, as
per this MK rule.
In such exceptional cases, the only possible option is to have the 12 zodiac
signs divided into two halves the first half is the Male Hora of 15 and the
second half is a Female Hora of 15 in a Male Sign, and vice versa in a
Female Sign, and to check the position of the SSSlord or
its Starlord, to
justify the sex indication.
Such a way of dividing a Sign is not primarily encouraged in MK Rule,
because a native
can possess a dual nature masculine and
feminine by character which may be evident in due course, but one cannot
be physically both masculine and feminine at birth.
Also, if taken primarily, even this division of a male Hora and a female Hora
also may not serve our purpose in determining or fixing the sex, when, in
very rare cases, all the Significator planets may be posited in Female Hora
sections in a males chart or in Male Hora sections
in a females chart.
It has to be accepted that any method of determining the sex based on signs
of the zodiac
will have this limitation, though to a minimum level, in
general.
Sharpening or fine-tuning
SubSubSub (SSS) level
the
Ascendant
point
at
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The remaining one or two Significators from the RP Moons position at TOA
are supposed to take the position of SSS lord and, if possible, the SSSS lord.
The choice of who is stronger among two or more such Significators depends
upon the criterion that the one whose Stars are unoccupied by other planets
is stronger than the others.
This selection of the Ascendants SSS lord (and SSSS lord) helps to sharpen
or fine-tune the Ascendants point, which will bring about the fixation of the
other 11 Cuspal Points up to their SSS levels automatically.
Now ends the fixation of the Ascendant point exact to an Hour-MinuteSecond (HMS)
by Clock time.
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