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I've seen many posts that are related to this topic, but i haven't yet found a thread that can answer my questi
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Aeronautics & I have a motor which i want to run at at different speeds at different time periods automatically. I can connec
Space a 4-20 mA analog input of the VFD and thus control motor speed but how do i incorporate the time factor into
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Computer Thank you very much Sir for your quick reply!
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Computer Actually this is an effort to automate our Extrusion Lamination machine which runs with three motors. One mo
engineering second motor drives the Re-winder unit and the third motor drives the Silicon and Mirror Roller.
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Programming Sir what i want to do with PLC is :

language 1. Synchronize all the three motors at different specified ratios for each motor,
engineering For example : when i start the machine, the second and third motors that i mentioned should accelerate gradu
continue for three minutes and then ramp up to 1300 rpm. After the period of three minutes , the extrusion m
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Electric power & itsmoked (Electrical)27 Jul 19 22:39

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Electrical Yes, you can use a PLC's analog output to do what you're considering. It will mean you'll need at least three a
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than 4-20mA but either will work. I don't know of any PLCs that offer that many analog outputs without buyin
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Typically add-on modules come with four analog outputs. You then set the VFD's parameters to take the spee
Microwave & Ultimately the VFD's parameters control everything, so things like acceleration and deceleration speeds are se
electromagnetic important things include maximum speed which you can limit regardless of what you send from the PLC.
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Programmable Alternatives abound you can also control the VFD with digital inputs. All VFDs have the ability to set specific sp
logic controllers when that input is active the VFD goes to that preset speed. Some applications work fine with a couple of pres
(PLC) PLC digital outputs to control the speed selection. One thing to note about that is that VFDs almost always wa
fed back to them on the digital inputs. This is not a problem with PLCs because you always feed PLC output m
Geotechnical then send out their outputs, (often in groups of 4 outputs). You'd bring the VFDs logic power over to feed the
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The last alternative is Modbus. Lots of VFDs will take in Modbus communications. This offers maximum flexibil
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VFD parameter over Modbus including the speed.
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like, to suit whatever flavor of PLC you have. Some drives even support 'gearing' speeds between drives, but I
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you ease of seeing parameters to the plant plc level as it relates to data collection, and interfacing to other ma
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I guess my question is how do you know that this motor is going at this speed? Some way is needed to make
Mechanical speed. A measurement device is needed for all 3 conveyors.
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Mechanical could mount a hollow shaft encoder on an idler shaft on the conveyor. Looks like your application is somewha
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Some how your using some form of closed loop application for a motor/feedback device.
Pipelines, Piping There is a range of VFDs that can do closed loop. Just pick something that your familiar with or have had som
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Sir thank you so much for your great feedback! With the knowledge you shared with us, we were able to achi
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long time. We were able to synchronize the speeds of two asynchronous motors at any specified ratio by conn
Petroleum refining master VFD to the analog terminals of the slave VFD and using a potentiometer to vary the speed.
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Sir,however is it possible for the PLC to act as a potentiometer so that instead of manually controlling the spee
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We haven't used Modbus communication before, but we'll certainly utilize this method for our future projects.
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