BaZi: SMTH - Special structure 稼穑 - Earth dominant structure

稼穑
Sowing (grain) and harvesting.

赋云：戊己欣逢四季，乃为稼穑之名。
The odes say: Wu and Ji gladly seeing the final months of the four seasons, it takes the name of
Sowing and Harvesting.

是戊己生逢季月，喜见木为官，止得一木为妙，木多则土虚，主虚诈，为破家不仁之人。
That is Wu and Ji seeing the final month of the season, likes to meet wood as Officer, but there can be
only one wood, abundant wood earth would be insubstantial, denotes tricky and hypocritical, a person
that destroys family and is not benevolent.

辰未土聚之地，见巳午火即贵，亦不宜多，多则土燥，不能滋生万物。
The place where earth gathers Chen and Wei, seeing Si and Wu fire is noble, but many is no
beneficial, as abundant fire parch the earth, it cannot nourish creations.

丑戌之土，内怀金气，不宜重见，恐存煞气，不生万物，又不宜见金泄气，不贵。
The earth of Chou and Xu, it carries metal Qi within, it should not be seen repeatedly, it is feared that
they contain devil Qi, cannot engender creations, also it is not beneficial to see metal to exhaust Qi,
not noble.

秋土不成器为死土，因土内含金，冬土不成器为泥土，因土内含水，故土只四季也。
Earth of Autumn that is inutile is dead earth, as it contains metal inside, Earth of Winter that is inutile
is mud earth, as it contains water inside, thus only the final month of the seasons earth (is utile).
诗曰：戊己日生宜四季，多防丑戌坏金气，生来见木或逢荧，个中消息真荣贵。
Poem says: Wu and Ji is good to be born in the final months of the four seasons, it should guard
against Chou and Xu that contains bad metal Qi,  born to seeing wood or meeting glimmer (fire), its
news is truly glorious and noble.

又：戊己生逢四月中，戊辰丑未要全逢，喜行财地嫌官煞，运到东方定有凶。
Also: Wu and Ji born to the four months, Chen Xu Chou Wei must all be completely seen, likes to go
through Wealth places but not Officer or Devil. when Luck goes to East it is surely inauspicious. 
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Abnn AgsmJanuary 22, 2014 at 10:13 PM

This article is only talking about Earth DM born in Chen , Xu , Chou , Wei
month right?

Not about follow vibrant structure?

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Trey TanJanuary 22, 2014 at 11:28 PM

This article talks about 稼 穑 格 , Sowing Harvesting Structure. It's an Earth
DM with a complete earth frame Chen-Xu-Chou-Wei. 

This is often called 独 象 , the solitary image, when one element command
most of the Qi in a chart. Some books refer this as 一方秀气, the elegant Qi
from one direction. 

A chart like this favors its own Qi, Seal, Wealth and very weak authority.
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Abnn AgsmJanuary 23, 2014 at 5:16 AM

How often do we get 4 earths? Most of the time is 2 earth, 2 fire with an HO
penetrate w/o any authority. Does it qualify?
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Trey TanJanuary 24, 2014 at 4:49 AM

 Not often, but it happens. Without complete Chen Xu Chou Wei, it cannot be
this structure.
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AnonymousSeptember 16, 2018 at 5:57 AM

my branches are all earth.Im confused about follow son structure as

some texts claim that DM doesnt have to be weak,so long theres no
major resource,but others claim this is inconsistente with the basic idea
that follow types must be extremely weak.
see my own exemple
ding ding xin xin
wei wei chou chou 9 jan 1962

BaZi: SMTH - Special structure 润下 Water dominant structure

润下
Nourishing Under, the nature of water that nourishes life and always goes under, if we pour
water on ground, it will go underneath the earth.

壬癸日见申子辰全，忌引卯巳死绝之地，三刑四冲之乡，死绝则不流，冲刑则横流，岁运同。
Ren or Gui DM seeing complete Shen Zi Chen, fears being lead (Year Pillar) into Gui and Si
where it is Dead and Extinct, or places with 3 punishments and 4 clashes, if it were Dead
and Extinct, it will not flow, if it were clashed or punished, it will flow out of the correct path,
AP and LP are the same.

或曰水太泛须柱有土神一两位制之，得成堤岸，既有土怕会木为凶，如有木伤土要金印救解，
终是一生成败。
Or it is also said that when water is too rampant, the pillars need to have an Earth God or
two to restrain, to become the water bank,  if there's earth, it fears seeing wood as
inauspicious, if there's wood injuring earth, then it needs metal Seal to rescue, success and
failure of a lifetime.

运喜西方，不宜东南。
Luck favors West direction, does not favor East or South

诗曰：壬癸日逢申子辰，局名润下最为真，必须巳午并辰戌，申字当权贵绝伦。
The poem says: Ren Gui seeing Shen Zi Chen, its name is Nourishing Under that is true,
there must be Si Wu together with Chen Xu, with Shen holding to power it is extremely
noble.

又：天干壬癸喜冬生，更值申辰会局成，或是全归亥子丑，等闲平步上青云。
Also: HS Ren and Gui likes to be born in Winter, when Shen and Chen meets the frame is
established, or everything returns to Hai-Zi-Chou, waiting leisurely to step on green clouds
(can acheive high status easily).
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Wilson ChenMay 21, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Dear Tray,

I realy interested in your explanation about this special structure water bazi

I have water dominant bazi

HS gui gui ren ren

EB chou you zi xu

is it bad, average or special bazi?do i have that water bank and dont need wood
because it will inauspicious?

thanks for your explanation

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ErickaAugust 26, 2014 at 12:55 AM

This article seems to talk about Warren buffet.

Wu Ren Jia Geng

Shen Zi Shen Wu
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 ErickaAugust 26, 2014 at 1:06 AM

Translation mistake.

壬癸日见申子辰全，忌引卯巳死绝之地，三刑四冲之乡，死绝则不流，冲刑则横流，
岁 运 同 。
Ren or Gui DM seeing complete Shen Zi Chen, fears being lead (Year Pillar)
*****Fears to meet Mao & Si luck***** where it is Dead and Extinct, or places with 3
punishments and 4 clashes, if it were Dead and Extinct, it will not flow, if it were
clashed or punished, it will flow out of the correct path, AP and LP are the same.
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BaZi: SMTH - Special structure 从革 Metal dominant structure

从革
Follow formation describes the nature of metal that can be forged into the desired form.

庚辛日见巳酉丑局，须带丙丁巳午一二位方成其器，但不可火多。
Geng and Xin Day seeing Si You Chou frame, must have one or two Bing / Ding / Si / Wu,
only will it become useful, but Fire must not be many.

如辛巳、辛酉、辛丑三日不喜五月生，被火所伤，宜八月或水土养育食神印绶为吉。
The days of Xin Si, Xin You and Xin Chou do not like to be born in the fifth month, as it will
be injured by fire, it favors the eighth month or being nourished by Water and Earth as Food
God or Seal to be auspicious.

诗曰：白虎但逢巳酉丑，格乎从革名偏厚，丙丁巳午少逢之，贵气炼成官最久。
The poem says: White Tiger seeing Si-You-Chou, structure like Follow Formation and
reputation is inclined to be thick, when it sees few Bing, Ding, Si and Wu, it's noble Qi will be
forged to become Officer (a government position) that is most long-lasting.

又：金居从革贵人钦，造化清高福最深，四柱火来相混杂，空门艺术谩经论。
Also: Metal resides in Follow Formation is a noble and respected person, the structure that is
pure and high has very deep fortune, if fire comes in the four pillars to contaminate, as
empty door (becoming a monk), art (being an artist) or a quack it be discussed.

Update: 14 December 2013

Just today I saw the BaZi chart of Paul Walker, who just passed away recently. His chart is
said to be:

Gui        Xin         Xin         Gui

Si         Hai          You        Chou

If this were true, the chart must have been a Follow Formation structure.

BaZi: SMTH - Special structure 炎上 Fire dominant structure

炎上
Flaming Above, describe the nature of fire that is always above the material that is burning.
丙丁日遇寅午戌局，柱中须有寅字带印为入格，无寅止是九流近贵之命，若火自旺，无亥水相
济，不贵。
Bing or Ding day seeing Yin-Wu-Xu frame, there must be Yin EB in the pillars as Seal to be qualified
as this structure, if there's no Yin then it's only a common person that is close to noble, if Fire is self
prosperous, without Hai water to aid mutually, is not noble.

喜东北方运，忌见辰丑戊己，晦火光明，多主眼疾，或患风气，柱有木制成贵，忌水金乡，怕
冲。
Favors North-Eastern Luck, does not favor seeing Chen, Chou, Wu and Ji, as they extinguish the
bright light of fire, denotes eye ailments, or rheumatism, if there's wood to counter it becomes noble,
dreads places of Water and Metal and fears clash.

诗曰：丙丁日坐寅午戌，火炎上格从此出，无寅无亥不成名，忌逢土晦主残疾。
The poem says: Bing Ding day sits on Yin-Wu-Xu, Fire blazing above structure is derived from this,
Without Yin or Hai it gets no reputation, dreads seeing Earth to extinguish it denotes disability and
ailment.
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joeNovember 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Dear Trey,

“Bing or Ding day seeing Yin-Wu-Xu frame, there must be Yin EB in the
pillars as Seal to be qualified as this structure, if there's no Yin then it's only a
person of the 9 schools of thought that is closed to being noble, (meaning
people of different backgrounds), if Fire is self prosperous, without water to
aid mutually, is not noble”.

I don’t get this. If it is a Fire dominant structure why would water make the
chart noble? Also the last para- with yin or hai will not have reputation. If the
chart does not have Yin, Hai, Wu and Xu will not be considered as Fire
dominant. So does it mean SMTH believes, Bing DM without Jia wood will
not have reputation? 
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Trey TanNovember 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Dear Joe ，

There were some typo, I corrected them. It's only Hai water but I have no idea
why Hai water will make the chart noble. SFTK and XPHH say nothing Hai
water, but SFTK mentions that it's unfavorable for Fire in Flaming Above
structure to be excessive. Most favorable for Flaming Above structure is for
 fire to be 虚 'fake' i.e born in Yin and blazing (meeting Yin-Wu-Xu or Si-Wu-
Wei). 

Well, Flaming Above structures have grades too just like normal structures,
according to SMTH, the best grade Flaming Above structure has Yin and Hai.
Otherwise it's just an average structure.
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randy kumJanuary 22, 2014 at 6:31 AM

How about Wei month fire? Does it count si wu wei frame? or isit Wei month
disqualify?

乙 丁 丁 丁
巳卯未卯
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Trey TanJanuary 22, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Dear randy,

For this to be a fire dominant chart is unlikely, Wei is more wood than fire
because of the presence of Mao on its left and right. 

It does not matter if the DM is born on the month of Wei, as long as Si and
Wu are present. Fire turns dominant. The fire frame Si Wu Wei has to be
complete.
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randy kumJanuary 23, 2014 at 5:21 AM

Thanks for ur input. From your opinion what are the usefuls god for this type
of chart? Its still vibrant right, just that its a lower form of vibrant structure.
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Trey TanFebruary 21, 2014 at 3:57 PM

What is the day of birth of this chart? In the month of Wei, Fire
Qi is in decline, if the month command is wood, it's most
possibly a Seal structure, if it is Earth, then it's an Food structure,
if it's fire, it could be vibrant (in modern terms)
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randy kumMarch 3, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Month of Wei, Seal and Self penetrating. Fire DM who gets the
hour. 87' july 17

In your opinion whats the useful god? Female who start off as
autumn cycle but only do average, entering winter cycles in
future which can complete full frame of wood. Some sifu says
she did not get the correct order of luck.

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Trey TanMarch 4, 2014 at 2:03 AM

11th day after minor heat, wood has command, this is a true Seal
structure. Favors Direct Officer to engender Seal and deities of
same polarity as DM to protect Seal. Fears Wealth breaking the
Seal. Wood Seal structure favors more Seals, regardless DM is
strong or weak. 

Xin Hai has Wealth deity covers head 盖头，the full wood frame
Hai Mao Wei would be suppressed by the metal, but all the
parallel deities will come to rescue the wood Seal, all the gods
Seal, Wealth and Parallel will be in harmony and become useful.
Xin Hai is the pillar to success 发。

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randy kumMarch 4, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Thanks. 
"Wood Seal structure favors more Seals, regardless DM is strong
or weak." Specifically for fire DM using wood as seal. How
about the other 4 DMs?

5.

Trey TanMarch 4, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Hi randy,

More information is contained in this entry

http://treybazi.blogspot.com/2013/10/bazi-smth-discuss-seal-and-
ribbon-part-4.html
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ErickaFebruary 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Hi Trey, 

I have this specimen of female chart, can this qualify? Golden age LP is Si Wu
Wei.

Bing Ding Bing Geng

Wu Si Xu Wu
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Trey TanFebruary 21, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Hi Ericka,

Since Xu is in combination with Wu forming a half fire frame, this is possibly

a flaming above structure.
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AnonymousOctober 16, 2014 at 7:44 AM

Hi Trey Tan,

In regard to this structure, what is really good about this structure? And whether the
following can be considered as special structure?

Bing Ding Ding Ding

Wu. Hai. Wei. Si.

Kindly advise

BaZi: SMTH - Special structure 曲直 Wood dominant structure

曲直
Bent and straight describe the nature of Wood, some plants climb with their vines (bent) and
some trees grow straight with their trunks. Hence the name Bent and straight. (I don't think
the 'Bent' is a good translation but you get the idea')

甲乙日得亥卯未局，柱中须有亥字带印为入格，若无亥有卯，止是木之本气，却要见金土为
贵，既无亥字，又无金土，则木不秀不实，难以言贵。
Ji or Yi Day having Hai-Mao-Wei frame, there must be Hai in the pillars to carry Seal to be
qualified, if there's not Hai but there's Mao, that is only the original Qi of wood, thus it needs
Metal and Earth to be noble, if there's neither Hai nor Metal nor Earth, that wood is not
elegant or solid, it's difficult to be said to be noble. 

如甲寅日有亥，时见丁卯劫财、阳刃、伤官，虽贵不全合格。
Like Jia Yin day has Hai, on the hour sees Ding Mao, Rob Wealth, YangRen, Hurting Officer,
even if it's noble it's not totally qualified as this structure

诗曰：甲乙日生亥卯未，局全曲直须荣贵，柱中无亥宜土金，自是生来享福地。
The poem says: Jia or Yi day sees Hai-Mao-Wei, the complete frame makes Bent and
Straight glorious and noble, when there's no Hai in the four pillars, Earth and Metal are
beneficial, the person is born to enjoy blessings.

又曰：甲乙生人寅卯辰，又名仁寿两堪评，亥卯未全嫌白帝，若逢坎位必身荣。
Also it says: Jia and Yi person with Yin Mao Chen, it is also named Benevolence and
Longevity as both can be ascribed, when Hai - Mao - Wei is complete, the white emperor is
feared (metal), meeting Kan place one will be glorious.