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The Australian & USA misconceptions about elections
Sir,
This morning I came across a TED video of Mr Val Jones titled “What if a US presidential
candidate refuses to concede after an election? | Van Jones”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb62x6XGjv4
https://podcasts.apple.com/kg/podcast/what-if-us-presidential-candidate-refuses-to-
concede/id160904630?i=1000496141164
https://www.ted.com/talks/van_jones_what_if_a_us_presidential_candidate_refuses_to_concede
_after_an_election/transcript?language=en
I also noticed:
https://vanjones.net/
Van Jones |
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His reach transcends age, race, geography and political ideology. Van is a CNN political
contributor, the host of the Van Jones Show and The Redemption Project.
https://www.facebook.com/vanjones/
https://www.facebook.com/vanjones/
QUOTE
Van Jones in my view should learn what the US constitution is really stating then his absurd claims about the system
Such as 9 innings and then 4 innings, etc in his TED video "“What if a US presidential candidate refuses to concede after
an election? ".
QUOTE
Article. II.
during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice
END QUOTE
Therefore there is no election by the People but rather an election by the Electoral college. The fact that the States provide
for people to vote is an addition but cannot override the provisions of the constitution.
As such, there is no such thing of a candidate to concede on the alleged popular vote, because it is the addition by the
States. A candidate only may concede (but it is not required as the vote itself determines the successful candidate) if the
Electoral College votes for an opponent candidate to become President.
Failure any majority of any candidate then the so called “safety valve” provides for each state to nominate their
preference.
I view the TED video should be withdrawn as it in my view caused deception and misconception by misrepresenting
details what really is applicable.
I understand that candidate Al Gore conceded in 2000 to George W Bush, but then recanted this
and litigated, albeit unsuccessfully, until the Electoral College voted for George W Bush.
In my view there is a danger that some lawyer makes claims that may cause considerable
misconceptions to those who take his word for granted.
While each State/District may desire to have in place some sort of population involvement reality
is that the Presidency is based upon the States/Districts allocating its Electors, regardless of how
may within a State/District may support one or another candidate. The popularity of the voting is
for the representation of the House of Representatives (The Peoples House) whereas the equality
of each State is providing for 2 Senators of each State in the Senate (The States House).
In my view, unless some Amendment to the US Constitution provides otherwise, States can
simply appoint Electors to the Electoral College without any need for a public participation to
vote which candidate in a presidential election they desire. As such, the so called “popular vote”
is immaterial when it comes to the application of constitutional provisions, as it appears to me
not applied for. The “popular vote” is simply a creation by the States that I view cannot interfere
with what the constitution provides for.
I welcome any response in this regard to outline a different application then what I understand
the constitution provides for.
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Awaiting your response, G. H. Schorel-Hlavka O.W.B. (Gerrit)
This lawyer is preaching something he in my view doesn’t understand and worse is he can cause
a lot of problems in the process.
It is totally irrelevant if a candidate “concedes” defeat when in fact no defeat exist unless and
until the Electoral college decides who is to be the next President. It has on 8 occasions
eventuated that an Elector of then Electoral College voted for a person contrary to what was
expected to be voted for.
While president Donald J Trump is litigating about whatever, even if hypothetical he lost every
case the Electoral College still could vote him to be re-elected. And, if the Supreme Court of the
USA were to hear the matter and nullifies the election of the States then the next issue is will it
nullify the Electoral College voting ability?
* Is your view the States acted wrongly to associate the popular vote with how the Electoral
college shall vote?
**#** Not particular. The States may prefer to appoint Electors who are reflecting the States
citizen’s views, but it will in itself not change the voting rights of each Electoral College elector
how such person votes. If for example a State has 6 Electors and in that State political party
Purple won the majority of seats in the House of Representatives then the State may desire that
all 6 vote for the political party named Purple. However, the Electors themselves may decide
they may not do so and instead vote for another candidate. It might be because they view that a
Purple Party candidate is not acceptable to be President. It might be they hold the election was
rigged, or whatever.
* On that basis it is wrong to claim candidate Joe Biden won?
**#** Absolutely. It is the Electoral College Electors that ultimately make the decision and
provided there is no two or more candidates who have the highest votes the one who receives the
most votes is to become President. This is also why Candidate Trump because President on 20
January 2017. The so-called “popular vote” is a creation of the States and doesn’t have anything
to do with the constitutional provisions how to elect the next President. As much as the “popular
vote” in Australia doesn’t decide who shall be Prime Minister. The Governor-General can
commission any person to be Prime Minister even if not a Member of Parliament. As was with
Edmund Barton on January 1901. (See Section 64 of the constitution for relevant conditions.) As
such in my view it was utter stupidity for Prime Minister Scott Morrison to congratulate
candidate Joe Biden having been elected “President Elect” as no such election has as yet taken
place by the Electoral College, as I understand will eventuate on 14 December 2020.
We need to return to the organics and legal principles embed in of our federal constitution!
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