BA

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Hello All,
Not to intervene here. Keep in mind the square of 9 is a square root calculator. Like the
numbers on the sq of 9...find 183 and 197. These numbers are 90 degrees apart which can
be mathematically proven. root of 183 is 13.52 while the root of 197 is 14.03. 14.03-
13.52= .515 .515 divided by .00555555555= 92.8 degrees which is a little of Ganns "lost
motion". Say time moved 80 minutes between a high and low. You would simply take 80
divided by .0055555 = 144 degrees. So time distance is 144 degrees.
Cheers,
Brian
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a look at the daily comex gold, this market trades exactly 6.16 hours a day, that move up
before the long descent was 80 hours up, which is 144 degrees on the square of nine,
major resistance, the price went up 137 degrees, so time and price were very close and a
you got a change in trend. the difference in degrees was 7, if you take that point seven
and divide it by .00555555 you get 126, if you project that from your top root of 303, root
17.40 minus 1.26 equals 16.14, squared 261, your low came in at 264, which would be
exactly 1.11 squares down or the square of eleven. you always must look at the
relationship; the degrees of price and time, when price is ahead of time, a reaction will
occur, when time gets way ahead of price a up move will occur to square itself within the
square. at that bottom price of 264, the time went down 1053 degrees, and price went
down 207 degrees, if you add those two together you get 1260, subtract three circles or
1080 you get 180, which indicates major resistance or in this case support. however time
being 846
degrees ahead of price, price would be 29 squares behind the time, so you figure the
market price would have to realign itself with the time period, if you draw a forty five
degree angle thru 585 you see it holds the price and 264,265, so gann would say that the
price is meeting support from the time angle. and time being ahead of price you would
expect a up move to some degree to square itself with the time period. he just never told
us how to measure these things. you draw a forty five degree angle thru 585 on the square
of nine.
When you saw that 144 degree time angle at the previous swing you would have
drawn a circle around 144 on the square of nine, and drawn the fixed and cardinal cross
thru it in every direction, the numbers those angles intersect will be the price where the
market will stop.
Little Bo peep done lost her sheep and keep in mind when squaring price and
time, you look for mathematical proof that time and price are in equilibrium, now on to
the s and p daily chart, around July 3 to July 17 you get a low to a high, the time in days
was 12, that would be 81 hours, the natural square of nine, MUST be aware of the natural
squares of numbers, they are responsible for natural contraction and expansion of
markets, 81 hours would be 145 degrees in time, your natural square of 12, you would
expect major resistance, and you go it. next move from 1552 to 1449, time was 10 days,
67.5 hours the natural square of 26, like it told you forget about decimals points, look at
numbers, remember we are numerologists. now .675 divided by .005555555 gives us 120
degrees, the natural trine of the circle, so important, remember this the trines are for
consolidation, the squares resistance. now the price went down in squares, top 1552, root
39.39 minus, low 1449, root 38.06, gives us 1.33 squares, now this is 240 degrees, again
the trine of the circle. add the price degrees plus the time degrees, 240 plus 120 is our
circle, were square and you see the result. now further proof time and price are square,
the hours down were 67, get the root of that number 8.18 and divide that by 6.75 and you
get your trine number 121 which is further proof that time and price are in balance, this is
Gann’s greatest gift, but nobody knows how to do it, except us.
Now the next move to top was 26 days, in hours that would be 175.5 hours, in
degrees of time that would be 315 degrees, the price went up 1.32 squares, that would be
238 degrees in price, so 238 plus 315 is 553 total degrees, the reciprocal of 553 is one
half your circle, indicating major resistance, it was and you see the result. also the root of
553 is 235 and that is how many degrees your price went up, further proof of the top,
time went up 315 degrees,. the root of 315 is your number 177, your hours to the top,
check out the reciprocal of 315, it is 317 amazingly enough, your degrees up. strange isnt
it, but math is the only exact science.
From your top to the low of 1327 is 225 points, and you went down 33 days which is 223
hours, so thats a no brainer for time and price equilibrium. in degrees price went down 3
squares exactly this would be 540 degrees, time went down 2.23 squares, or 402 degrees,
the natural square of twenty. 402 added to 540 gives 942 total degrees, subtract 720 you
get 222, the distance traveled, so price and time were definitely square. further proof, take
the hours down, 223, get the root, divide by 6.75, and again see your balancing act.
October 16 low to November 10 high is 80 hours, which is 144 degrees, indicating major
resistance, and we got it. price went up 313 degrees, 144 plus 313 is 457 minus the circle
gives us 97. if you divide that 97 by .005555555 you get 174 the amount up in squares for
price, and if you multiply that 97 by .005555555 you get 538, your distance down in the
previous move. from that top to the bottom at 1299, the time went down 144 degrees
again, and met support,
price went down 2.06 squares or 370 degrees, add 370 plus 144 gives you 514,
divide 514 by 360 you get 1.42 your time down. and 514 minus 360 is 154, just over your
time down also. if you would just look at the time counts only you would know when
your going to meet some resistance, just be aware of the natural squares, and the circle
divisions, when you see a market getting close to a powerful circle division, look for the
squaring of price and time, that really is all there is to it, i feel...but hey. Gann is your
Man.
The B.
The Comex gold market trades exactly 6.16 hours a day, that move up before a
long descent was 80 hours up, this which is 144 degrees on the square of nine, major
resistance, the price went up 137 degrees, so time and price were very close and a you got
a change in trend. the difference in degrees was 7, if you take that point seven and divide
it by .00555555 you get 126, if you project that from your top root of 303, root 17.40
minus 1.26 equals 16.14, squared 261, your low came in at 264, which would be exactly
1.11 squares down or the square of eleven. you always must look at the relationship of;
the degrees of price and time, when price is ahead of time, a reaction will occur, when
time gets way ahead of price a up move will occur to square itself within the square. at
that bottom price of 264, the time went down 1053 degrees, and price went down 207
degrees, if you add those two together you get 1260, subtract three circles or 1080 you
get 180, which indicates major resistance or in this case support. however time being 846
degrees
ahead of price, price would be 29 squares behind the time, so you figure the
market price would have to realign itself with the time period, if you draw a forty five
degree angle thru 585 you see it holds the price and 264,265, so Gann would say that the
price is meeting support from the time angle. and time being ahead of price you would
expect a up move to some degree to square itself with the time period. he just never told
us how to measure these things. you draw a forty five degree angle thru 585 on the square
of nine.
when you saw that 144 degree time angle at the previous swing you would have drawn a
circle around 144 on the square of nine, and drawn the fixed and cardinal cross thru it in
every direction, the numbers those angles intersect will be the price where the market will
stop.
Have a great intraday!!!!
Thye B.
Hello all,
Let's look at a few things here. On march 20, 1954, Gann wrote a couple letters to
somebody, talking about the use of astro in the markets, this analysis is just the use of
time angles to stop price. He states that live angles and the average of the six major
planets helio and geo, are the most powerful points for price and time resistance. the
example he gives is that Saturn geo is at 8 to 9 nine scorpio, or about 218 or 219 degrees,
he adds the 90 degrees to that number and gets 309 the current price of May beans. then
he says Jupiter is at 21 gemini or 81 degrees the square of nine, and if you subtract 135
degrees from that position you get a price of 306, then he says that is why beans meet
resistance at the point. However these angle that Jupiter and Saturn are sitting at, are not
price levels, they are time angles, as they move thru the zodiac they are moving in time
cycles, and the time cycles cause resistance to price levels. Just as time angles on your
charts do the same.
So let's theorise a bit here. Say a prior move was 80 minutes from a low
to a high.
We convert this by taking 80 dividing by .0055555 which gives 144 degrees.
We go to the square of 9 and put a circle on that number. We then draw our TIME
ANGLES from the 144...Specifically the cardinal and fixed cross from 144. The price of
the next move will stop on one of these points. Why?
Because price is governed by time and time causes price to change direction.
i.e. say you are trending up from a low. Price stops forms a high and starts down. The
reason the price formed that top is because it was "caught" by a time angle.
Pyrapoint is very interesting. The reason it works is it uses TIME angles...when you
subtract like .25 you are using a Time angle. Like I read in here that someone subtracted .
25...this is .25 divided by .00555555=45 degrees. But there is soo much more going on
there. I mean so much. If we begin working in this direction we can make a success if we
make "understanding" our goal. I recently sent a member in here (Mr Lynn G.) a chart
(using his data) showing that from a top all moves in an hourly time frame were caught
by divisions of a circle. I am including here a 5 minute bar chart for wheat. (The pics say
it is daily however the data is 5 minute bars). What I want to show you though is that
using minutes, moves were
caught by taking the time degrees and adding the price degrees...and coming out to
squares of 144. This is only the beginning....soooooo much more.
The files will be in segments with this being the first.
Sincerely,
Brian
<< Why are you dividing by .0055555? Where did that number come from and why?
Thanks,
Norman >>
Hello Norman,
Good question and sorry I did not post that in. Look at your sq. of 9 the number 307 sits
on the 45 degree time angle. the number 325 sits on the 135 time angle so
135-45= 90. But we can prove that there is 90 degrees between these numbers! The root
of 307 is 17.521 and the root of 325 is 18.027 18.027-17.521= .506 This .506 is your
SQUARE DISTANCE. sq.dis divided by .005555555= 91.08 degrees just missing with
what gann called "lost motion".
Try this between any numbers on the square of 9. Say you have degrees of a move that
has not happened yet and you wanted to get the square distance.
Take 91.08 X .0055555= your square distance.
So .00555555 is the number that works on the square of 9.
B.
So the key is how do you determine at which time angle price will stop on? Is there a
way? Could there be a way to determine in advance? Well to figure that out I guess one
would study past moves.
B.
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Hello All,
Let's take a look at some Gann encryption techniques. This is in no case definitive. On
the post last night I showed that Gann Said put the planet on the time angle and subtract
or add the angle to get price. What he is really doing here is telling you that there is a
connection between the time angles and planets. Obviously it is not as simple as
subtracting or adding time angles to get price. So one of his techniques is to simply point
out a connection and then mislead as to its use. Along with misspelled words in his
writings there is also miscalculated numbers. Say he will write 8556 but you do the math
and it comes out to 5886. Another snafu is that he will be like talking about one thing
then interject another and go back to the 1st.
More will follow on this.
B.
Hello Mike,
You asked when is it correct to use this or that time frame. I am going to make a post on
the harmonics of time in time so I will answer that there.
Different time frames can be used to solidify judgement say like like notice on your
hourly that a move should complete at point X and you check your minutes and it
confirms it. Bingo. You ALWAYS want to keep track of how many hours have elapsed
from the last high or low. You just keep moving that forward as time moves forward.
Man it just appears you could really crack it if you were to figure out how time cycles of
the spinning spheres related to time angles. I reckon I should make post on that then in
TIME about time.
B.
Hello All,
I made a few cryptic posts into this room and others as I was searching for the correct
place to "spill some info"...Gale wrote me today and said that " I have followed you
around the rooms". well no need to do that anymore as I am settling in here for a time
times time and the dividing of time.
Mak made a post saying that .005555 recipe is 180 and he is right on. Take a hard look at
the square of 9. Note that 25,49,81 etc on the 315 time angle. Then note the 16,36,64 etc.
on the other. Many people believe that like if you go around the circle once that this is a
cycle on this 9 deal. Hmm, say you were in the square of 4
which is 16. You would only go 180 degrees to get to the square of 5 which 25. Would
not this move between 4 and 5 constitute a cycle?
BUT we would have only moved 180 degrees as far as our time angles are concerned.
As Don Hall pointed out Gann would take this 9 thingy to the floor and day trade. I
would say it is very important. If you do not have one get one. Sell your car and acquire
the 9 thingy.
B.
So if BRCM went from 256 on 10/14/00 to 85 1/2 on 11/28 and is now on a

downward movement, currently at a low of 20 7/8, how do I use the 3,5,7 pattern to
narrow the possibilities for a low?
Thank you for the reply,
-- Gt —
Hi Gale,
The all time low is $11.75.
11.75+ 3 =14.75
11.75 + 5 = 16.75
Or the hard way is to start at 256-3,,,-5.....-7 all the way down to zero. If the price stays
above ~14.75, then you could say you have found a temporary bottom. If price goes
below ~14.375 , then watch the price hit 11.75.
Joe Frabosilio
Hello Gale,
Ok yes on those zero's. that is valid! Zeros are the devise of the devil...they are
placeholders.
This came in simultaneously tonight with your e-mail. This is a gentlemen who I am
working privately with>>>
Greetings to my friend Brian!
Guess what? I am starting to have all kinds of revelations all of a sudden. They all started
with my dream. Today, I sat down with a five minuet Wheat chart and just went from one
tiny 30 or 40 minuet move to another. And ya know what? It all started coming together
for me! I would count the time of a move. Then I would convert that time to degrees like
you taught me. Then, I placed that number on
the Sq9 and drew all the lines. Then I looked to see where the price of wheat went on its
next move. Then i located that price on the sq9, and it was of course, always on either a
fixed or cardinal line. Okay, all of this you had already told me! But then after several
consecutive moves a pattern began to unfold. I found that if price was going up, then I
could predict exactly ( within one cent) where price would go on the next swing. And, I
found that when a BIG up move was over, that top price would be on a cardinal point on
the sq9, and then guess what? As price reversed and started a large down swing move, I
could predict exactly where prices would stop and go back up. This is sooooo exciting!
Now, mind you this is only a
preliminary finding. I have not gone to another contract month or to another commodity,
but man, Oh man, this is such a rush for little ole me! It is like GOD has removed the
scales from my eyes! At last I can see!
Now my point in posting this Gale is that he was using very small time frames...on
intraday data. It works on any time frame but the smaller intraday moves are the best for
"learning the ropes".
I assure you it is accurate.
Ok, you asked about the 7/9 and 9X7 etc. That comes from the sq. of 144 which we will
be covering shortly after we move on from the square of 9. My square of 144 is loaned
out to a Chicago floor trader and will be returned this week...at which point we will cover
it.
B.
Hello all,
Joe brought up an interesting point. It is "crucial" to know the exact high and low of any
commodity or stock you are trading. Like I think IBM's low was 8 3/4...since then all
these stock splits occurred everywhere. BUT the lowest point of force traded was that 8
3/4.
On commodities you need the life of contract high and life of contract low. Why?
Beacuse the prices are trading within these squares. Every top or bottom made will come
out on an important ratio of the high and low.
B.
<< When I put the Cardinal & Fixed lines over the time value to get the price, a whole
host of possibilities arise. For instance, if I am looking at a stock that went from 150 to 80
and I'm looking to see where the next bottom might be, I can start drawing lines every 5
points. >>
See Gale,
What we want to do is find out why this is occurring. Why is price stopping there? Once
you get the hang of it figure out the distance between your circled number that I told you
to circle and where price stopped. i.e. lets say you circled the number 307 on your 9. You
drew your angles from there and price stopped on 559. What is the distance between
these 2 numbers etc.
But first before you do that master the first step.
B.
need to thank Rex for this perfect example of a great place to start. Please take it upon
yourself to understand how he made his calculations. This is "VITAL" information.
Hi Rex,
It is interesting to note that 1522 was the high and the sqrt of 1521 is 39.
And 37.75 and 37.75 = to 1425, the retracement low. So 39 - 37.75 = 1.25 /
.005555 = 225 degrees. 2+2+5 = 9. A cardinal or a fixed degree is going to
total 9. No "zeros" in the degrees so it is fixed.
For time, I believe I counted 80 5-minute bars = 5 x 80 = 400 \ .5555 = 720,

2 turns of the circle. This one being a cardinal value (a "zero" in the degree). I'm
wondering if that means the low is in?
Interesting stuff....
Thanks again for the symbol name and sharing the chart.
-- Gt —
Gale,
I didn't catch that square of 39 for the high before you mentioned it... B says to watch for
those- natural contraction and expansion of the market. The 1522 high to 1425 low is 83
bars... so 747 degrees of time to 225 degrees of price... which should indicate that time is
ahead of price and must realign. So we should have a move up... and we have been
moving up... I just don't quite understand how to measure this move. Any thoughts?
Rex
Gail & Rex:

Look at the time angle for the retracement to 1425. 83 bars * 5=415 and price angle from
1348 to 1522 is 414 degrees. Coincidence?
Now look at 1522-1348=174 and 1522-1425=97 / .55555=174.6 Another

coincidence?
Lynn
<< Would you show us the time angles, pleeeeaaaaasssssee? Jeff >>
Ok J,
Look at your square of 9. All those angles going all over the place are time angles. Like
the number 307 sits on the 45 degree TIME angle.
Refer back to my post on Gann with Jupiter and Saturn.
B.
Would you show us the time angles, pleeeeaaaaasssssee? Jeff
Jeff, I was using the term based only on what had been discussed so far. It only referred
to calculations based on time instead of price.
My example "Look at the time angle for the retracement to 1425. 83 bars * 5
min=415 minutes." Then divide by .55555=747. This was based on the Nasdaq
chart where the calculations show 75 bars @5 min= 375 and then divide by
.55555 equals 675 degrees.
Lynn
Thank you Lynn, your input has cleared up a question for me...
Rex
Hi Rex,
Outside of a cardinal value indicating a top or bottom of a bias, at this stage I don't know
how to measure a move. However, if you know the harmonic price movement of a
market, I'm guessing that goes a long way in helping. Brian refers to Larry P's book,
Artificial Intelligence as being helpful in pointing out harmonic movements using the 5
and 30 minute charts.
-- Gt —
Hello All,
It is very important that you understand the mechanics of the first 5 lessons or posts in the
future are not going to make any sense to you when we go into Gann astro.
Since posting them in I have been deluged with questions. Unfortunately I do not have
any time. Luckily my ace student is on his way into the room. His name is Kory and he is
a farmer. You will find him extremely helpful and full of insite. I had only been teaching
him astro for about 8 months when he had his chart done by an astrologer who was
claiming 25+ years of experience. To make a long story short he was many levels above
that astrologer. He has also become my personal friend. I strongly urge you if you have
any questions on astrology please ask him...he loves to help.
His e-mail is Kmelby0001@....
Kory are you in here yet?
B.
> << It is interesting to note that 1522 was the high and the sqrt of 1521 is
> 39 >>
>
>
> Bingo. If we want to understand Gann we must learn his tools. Great on
> the above! I was hoping someone would catch that. Gann stated that squares
> stop price dead in tracks. We all need to memorize our whole number
> squares. Like if 225 comes up on your calculator you need to know hey that
> is the square of 15. It is in THE SQUARE SERIES.
>
> B.
NW: As in music, the interval is more important than any one particular pre-determined
series. If the market is not playing in a key that aligns with the odd number squires, such
as 5, 7, 9 squared etc. then 25, 49, or 81 may not prove important for that particular
market at that particular time.
For example, what if XYZ makes a major top at 84? Should we use 81 or
maintain and respect the inherent interval of the wheel via cycle down via 1 cycle down
(square root of 84 - 2) = 84 is the same interval as 81 to 49. This example gives the
inherent weakness in only using a physical wheel versus relying on the underlying math
of the wheel which allows an unlimited degree of flexibility.
My experience has taught me that the bottomline of market analysis is has to do with
pattern recognition via vibration which is similar to the old game show, NAME THAT
TUNE. Determine what number series a market is responding to and go with it. That will
give you the "KEY" just as in music. The greater your repertoire the more likely it is that
you will recognise a particular market tune. For example, some
markets like Fibonacci, some like Lucas, some like the square numbers etc.
Find the right key and go with it. Don't get stuck on any one pre-determined number
series.
Harmonically,
Norman
<< It is interesting to note that 1522 was the high and the sqrt of 1521 is
39 >>
Bingo. If we want to understand Gann we must learn his tools. Great on the above! I was
hoping someone would catch that. Gann stated that squares stop price dead in tracks. We
all need to memorise our whole number squares. Like if 225 comes up on your calculator
you need to know hey that is the square of 15. It is in THE SQUARE SERIES.
B.
For some reason Astrology has become be business with the markets this year. I
remember last year, many traders were turning there noses up to this. Now everywhere I
turn, everyone is using Astrology and is an expert. From magazine articles, junk mail
from so-called market guru’s and other places.
Brian did an excellent job in giving away a lot of his hard work and I did send a thank
you note. The folks I'm referring too sell products instead of trade. These vendors are
going to give Astrology a bad name, in the near future. IMO.
So before you spend thousands of dollars on hype, please ask questions to those who
have been using Astrology with the markets for a long period of time.
Trade Well,
Joe Frabosilio
Absolutely Joe. No need to spend a dime! Stay tuned to Ghost as after we cover the
square of 144 we will begin our journey into astro.
I had an e-mail that asked if I thought Gann used astrology. Well I am going to post in
Ganns personally drawn astro/commodity chart and will discuss it. It is one of many I
have of Ganns.
B.
Brian-
In your instructions for converting price to degrees, we students are instructed to divide
the price by 0.0055555....
Rather than going through this exercise in division, I find it much easier to just multiply
the price by 180º. This I can do in my head, whereas I don't have
enough of the 'little gray cells' to do the division in my head. What do you think?
I know you are getting a lot of praise for your generous sharing of your knowledge
of Gann and astro, but, hey, you deserve it! Thanks again!
Paul
Compare Price and time by division, reciprocals, multiply, subtract and add. Look at your
numbers. Lynn e-mailed me saying he had 9 left over but was able to figure out what to
do with it.
I guess if one was to start keeping track of a specific stock/commodity that certain
relationships could present themselves.
Like .202 is an octave of 1.616 by that I mean 1.618 divided by 2 = .808 by

2 = .404 and by 2 = .202.
B.
Now price was the difference between the high and low was 1522 -1348 = 174 ONCE
AGAIN I ASSUME YOU CONVERT to degrees ie 414
Look at how you "convert to degrees". 1522 root = 39.012

1348 root = 36.715
39.012-36.715 = 2.297 <<<This is your square distance
Take 2.297 divided by .005555555= 414.
B.
Allan, I want to thank you sincerely for the excellent posts from which I have
excerpted quotations below.

It is likely that I have read no other posts that have been so helpful to me in
"seeing what Gann saw" than these two.

I was very skeptical of anything to do with numerology, which seemed to me to
be very far from scientific, and yet, because I respect the immense amount of
study you have brought to bear on Gann's novel The Tunnel Thru the Air, I
took your comments very seriously.

The first thing that I discovered is that, on an original typescript copy of Gann's
recommended reading list posted in the gannchatroom e-mail group by Ken T.,
Gann placed the numerology books at the very top, before any other class of
books, including those on Astrology. This was certainly a striking fact that I had
not known before.

Since then, I have made the most fascinating discoveries -- within Gann's own
material, using just rudimentary knowledge of Pythagorean numerological
principles -- that give me positive proof that numerology is not the invention of
feeble minds (at least not all of it!), but that it is natural law, to use the
precise expression used by W. D. Gann.

I would love to share what I have found, but I notice that you are very careful
not to indulge in any details whatsoever, so I will follow your example.

I would only add that Gann says, in Chapter VII of The Tunnel Thru the Air, "My
calculations are based on the cycle theory and on mathematical sequences." It is
now evident to me, thanks to your fine posts, that this single statement is very
pregnant with meaning. Let him that hath ears to hear, hear.

With much appreciation,

Romeman

"The best way to understand Gann is to study Numerology. When that is finished
u shud study it again and again. ... Astrology is the last topic u shud study as u
then may understand better what it is all about if u have prepared urself thru the
study of numerology. (did I mention that b4?)"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gannsghost/message/10320
"We tend to look at his exoteric work because that is easier for our modern eye.
Gann however lived in another world. An esoteric world from which he cud apply
age-old principles into the marketplace for some 50 years. Im quite sure he was
a strange 'bird' in his days just like Robert who made very few friends and few
who understood him.
"So to move 'beyond' Gann is impossible because the path that most people do
has very little to do with Gann's own. "The question is rather if u want to
continue to go on the exoteric road OR move 'beyond' that one into the esoteric
world?? U will find that in that world numerology is far more important than
astrology."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wheelsinthesky/message/4294
Ask, and it shall be given unto you;

seek and ye shall find;
knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
(Matt. 7:7, KJV)
*****
In the Foreword to his novel The Tunnel Thru the Air, W. D. Gann, speaking of the Bible,
says, "It contains the key to the process by which you may know all there is to know and
get all that you need to supply your demands and desires." This is a very strong
statement. It implies that Gann got ahold of "the secrets of the universe," as we like to say
somewhat jestingly. He says that it took him a couple of decades or more to develop his
trading system. We should try not to get too frustrated if these things do not come to us at
once. That will only create blocks in the mental process. Please understand that I am
myself still very much in my infancy in the study of Gann.
You mention the Square of Nine. Have you ever sat down with it for an hour or two or
for several hours and just studied how it is made? Look at it as if it were an unknown,
mysterious object. Meditate on it. Ask yourself questions about it.
I imagine you have seen the Square, but have you observed it?
*****
"When I hear you give your reasons," I remarked, "the thing always appears to me to be
so ridiculously simple that I could easily do it myself, though at each successive instance
of your reasoning I am baffled until you explain your process. And yet I believe that my
eyes are as good as yours."
"Quite so," he answered, lighting a cigarette, and throwing himself down into an
armchair. "You see, but you do not observe. The distinction is clear. For example, you
have frequently seen the steps which lead up from the hall to this room."
"Frequently."
"How often?"
"Well, some hundreds of times."
"Then how many are there?"
"How many? I don't know."
"Quite so! You have not observed. And yet you have seen. That is just my point. Now, I
know that there are seventeen steps, because I have both seen and observed."
Conan Doyle, Sir Arthur, The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, "A Scandal in Bohemia"
*****
Incidentally, when I ask you to examine the Square of Nine, I mean the square table of
numbers and the circle of days and times surrounding it. I do not mean the plastic
overlay, which so far as I can determine is a post-Gann invention. (The plastic overlay
has its purposes and is very useful, but it also adds an element of confusion before you
understand the Square itself). So if you can -- i.e., if it is not permanently attached to the
Square in your possession -- just set aside the overlay and concentrate on the rest.
The Square of Nine table of numbers is not merely a square-root calculator with a circle
around it. You will begin to see this, if you read carefully what I have said in this and the
previous message. Even rudimentary knowledge will be enough.
Best, Romeman
P. S. Incidentally, "where to start" in the study of Gann -- as I have expressed before on
these boards -- is with Gann's own books and courses, in my opinion, always asking
yourself questions about what he means, what he saw, what he is doing, etc.
Romeman
For people who are interested and using Metastock, here is a Sq of Nine formula. Please
note that this work on Whole numbers. Somebody posted this in Excel format and I have
converted it to MS. It works on the Closing price.

==========
PPrice := C;
SqRtPrice:= Sqrt(PPrice) ;
RoPrice := Ceiling(SqRtPrice); {need tofix this }
OddNumber:=If(RoPrice/2-Int(RoPrice/2)=0,RoPrice+1,RoPrice);
OddMinus2Price := OddNumber - 2 ;
Power2Price:= Power(OddMinus2Price, 2);
Formula1:=(PPrice - Power2Price)*360;
Formula2:=Power(OddNumber,2);
ForMula3:=Power2Price;
BottomFigure:=Formula2-Formula3;
DivionPrice:=Formula1/BottomFigure;
Sq9Angel:=DivionPrice - 45;
Sq9Angel:= If(Sq9Angel<0,Sq9Angel+360,Sq9Angel);
Sq9Angel
================

Shiran
Hi Bill,

Work out the critical degrees of the Sq 9 chart, say, 90,180 and 270 deg. Draw lines on
the chart at these levels and watch the price action
around these levels.

The blue lines at the bottom of the chart are 90,180 and 270 deg lines. Red dots are where
the price in relation to the degree (eg 3223 Price = 273 deg in Sq of 9) in Sq of 9. Thin
blue line is a moving average line I put in there so you would get a better understanding.

I have used the closing price to figure the degrees.
144,
In a circle of 360 degrees. If we inscribe a pentagon we have 5 sides of 72 degrees each.

If we take 2 sides we have 144 degrees. 360-144=216.
216:144 = 3:2 or the musical 5th.
3 very common ratios in music scales are the octave (2:1) the 4th (4:3) and the 5th (3:2).
In the Pythagorean scale (Do Ri Me Fa Sol La Ti Do) we construct the scale by using the
numbers 2 and 3. Just as we divided the circle harmonically by the use of these numbers.
Lets look at Ganns square of 144 (S144) which is his Master Time and Price calculator.
At the bottom left it starts at 0 and runs to 144 time periods. Then starts at 144 and runs
to 288. Then starts at 288 and runs to 432.
On the right side it has multiples of 60,120,40,80. By multiples I mean in the 60 column
he has got 60, 120, 180, 240, 300, 360, 420, 480 etc. In these numbers (60,120,40,80) we
have the octave fifth fourth. 80 divided by .00555555= 144*. 120 divided by .
005555555= 216 etc.
On the bottom in very small markings he has

9,18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90,99,108,117,126,135,144 in time. When I first saw this I
thought it was rather odd. Upon further examination a few things began to surface. The
numbers create musical tone ratios within 144. So he is dividing the square into 16ths.
Which is odd because the S9 is also divided into 16th
(360 divided by 16=22.5). Since Gann divided his time into 16ths on the S144 is it safe
to assume that on the S9 those are TIME angles?
144/72= 2 or the octave. 144/108= 1.333 which is the 4th. (4/3= 1.3333). Etc.
Lets back up. Gann states that the square and the trine form within the circle. To create
the square in the circle we take 360 divide by 2 (octave)=180. 180 divided by 2 (octave)=
90 which is the square. To get the trine take 360 and divide by 3 = 120. Now use Octaves
on that number 60, 30 and 15. (666 is the number of the beast. So if we take 360X .666=
we get 240 which again creates the 3:2 (360:240).
A time ago Gale asked about 7 divided by 9 and 7 X 9. These numbers come from:
9,18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90,99,108,117,126,135,144. For example take 63. Which is 7
X 9. Take these 2 digits and divided. 7 divided by 9= .77777 If we take 63 and divided by
.7777 we get 81. What is the significance of that number? Look at the root of that
number.
If we take 9X10 = 90 and 10 divided by 9= 1.11111 Now, again 90 divided by 1.11111=
81 and what is the root of that number. This works with any number in the paragraph.
Lets go the other way. 7X9= 63 7divided by 9 = .77777 X 63= 49
which is an odd square.
The key here is to know that the S144 is harmonical. We simply divided the square by
multiples of 9 to get musical ratios.
Everything I have ever said is insignificant compared to what I am about to tell you. If
there is one thing that you walk away with "stuck in your head" let it be this; <<<<ALL
OF GANNS TOOLS ARE DESIGNED TO MEASURE VIBRATIONS. ALL
MARKETS ARE IS VIBRATION."
Lets look at an application of S144.
Gann says everything seeks a gravity centre. In an old November soybeans chart
I cant be precise but it seems the low came in twice at about 452, the previous time angle
before that low, showed me that resistance would be met at these prices, 458, 471, 484,
498, and then 512, the market jumped right thru these prices, but alas made an island
reversal at 513 or so,
now the square root of 513 is 22.64 minus the square root of the low price root of
452 is, 22.64 minus 21.26 gives 1.38 squares, reciprocal .724, right over two circles of
360 degrees. Now from that low to that high is 78.75 hours, check the square of nine and
draw a 45 degree angle from 78.75 and see it cross your top. Now right down these
numbers 144, 288, 432, 576, 720, now the distance in hours is 78.75, so 144 minus that
number is 65.25 into the square, now the fourth square of 144 is 576, 576 minus the high
price of 513 gives 63, so there you have time and price square.
If you have the plastic overlay of the master price and time calculator, go on the bottom
and put your finger on the time period on the bottom and run up to the price of 63 and see
that major angle of 45 degrees stopping this market as well as other angles. now the
distance of 61 cents divided by the time of 78.75 gives .774,
and that number is .618 divided by 8, and close to the important ratio of 7 divided by 9.
the Master time factor is the number 20736 and Gann talked about this in his last writings
before his demise, you will find all your tops and bottoms on a important ratio of this
number.
top 513 / 20736 gives .247 close to triangle of circle, reciprocal gives .404, 404 times 4
gives up 1.616, the bottom of 452 / 20736 gives up .216 the cube of 6. now the time angle
at the top shows support on the way down at these prices. 505, 497 , 489 , 477 , and 464
and then 451.
Brian
You shown a 5 min bar chart and there was 75 bars between the high and low. so 5 x 75 =
375 this is time you converted this to 675 degrees. HOW do you do this?
Ok time went 375. 375 divided by .00555555= 675.

I know there are some zero's there so use 375 divided by .555555= 675.
B.
Brian,
I have been racking my brain over one point in a previous post; your post on daily comex
gold:
"...at that bottom price of 264, the time went down 1053 degrees, and price went down
207 degrees, if you add those two together you get 1260, subtract three
circles or 1080 you get 180, which indicates major resistance or in this case support.
however time being 846 degrees ahead of price, price would be 29 squares behind the
time, so you figure the market price would have to realign itself with the time period, if
you draw a forty five degree angle thru 585 you see it holds the price and 264,265,..."
Could you explain how you arrive at 585 for the 45 degree angle...
Go to your square of 9. Draw a circle around the number 585. Now from 585 draw a line
through the numbers 493, 409, 333 and 265. You have just drawn a 45 degree angle.
Actually a 315 degree time angle.
B.
<< When it starts at 0 and runs to 144, is it running vertically or horizontally?

Is it really going from 0 to 143 and then 144 starts over again? or to 144 and starts at
145? or is 144 at both the end and the beginning of next line?
Lynn >>
Unfortunately mine is borrowed at the moment. I Know it runs Horiz. across the bottom.
I think it is 0-144. Then below that 144 under 0 to 288 etc. It also runs up in price but just
from 0-144 on left side. The squares, 144,288, etc. are at the bottom.
Lynn, why would Gann be using roots and their squares along with tools that are
harmonically divided?
B.
Brian:
There could be many reasons but the ancients discovered the Music of
the Spheres which is the vibratory rate of each planet. Since the planets
vibrate or sing at a precise level, they will effect prices as price
approaches those vibratory rates. The problem is in knowing what the
vibratory rate is for each price. The number may not be the same as the
vibratory rate but it is the logical starting point.
Roots and their squares are a logical way of identifying which prices
will respond to each planet at a specific point in time. Put another way,
roots and squares are segments within the musical scale and when price
matches the vibratory rate of the planets, price changes direction at that
point. Unless you know what music the planets are playing, the roots
and squares are the mathematical way of determining when these
changes in direction will occur.
Aspects give us a clue about how a planets vibration changes as it comes

into contact with other planets. It could go from C to C sharp etc
depending on what planet is squaring it. As we start to understand these
vibrations, we realise that music is very mathematical and we become in
Tune with the market.
Math, roots and squares, leads us to the harmonic tools that allows us to
discover the music being played in the markets at any point in time.
Lynn
Then in theory since we know where the planets are 50+ years into the future it would
seem that once we "find the tunes" in any market we simply could use the planets to
forecast prices via "future tunes". We know that the S9 and S 144 are used to measure
vibration so I would say ghost is on the right track by intensely studying these 2 tools of
Gann.
For those that want to get a head start into astro find the date of the first trade in that
stock. Then find what time the exchange opened. Set the chart for New York (erect the
chart) and find the rulers of the Asc. and MC.
Jensen tells us to get the the date of incorporation...this works for other "things" but like
humans stock prices resonate to the origin. "I shall judge thee in the place of thy
nativity".
For IBM The planetary rulers are Venus and Saturn. This is mission critical
information.
For commodities you will have to wait until I go into astro. (Please do not e-mail me)
asking about comm. / astro at this point. Spend your time measuring moves with S9 and
S144.
B. ---Well done Lynn!
Hello All.
Darrin was on the mark with it. I have been trying to avoid reciprocals etc. But Darrins
post along with the completion of "The Blizzard" which will be uploaded within 48 hrs
makes it necessary to discuss this here and now.
Say you have some sort of measurement that comes in at 1.38 which is close
to 1.33 which is (4:3) or the musical 4th. Look at 1.38 and look at the reciprocal which
is .724 that 724 is 4 degrees over 2 circles and this is significant.
Now I know 2 circles is 720. Not .724 but look back at Darrins posts.
Begin looking at your reciprocals.
On another note. I suggested a book to Lynn on Symmetry and I am pretty sure that he
would describe the cover of that book as the cardinal and fixed cross. Within the book are
some very crucial reciprocals.
B.
Planet Mean Dist Period of Inclination

Equatorial
From Sun Revolution Diameter
(AU) (km)
Mercury 0.39 88 days 7° 4880
Venus 0.72 224.7 days 3.4° 12100
Earth 1.00 365.24 days 0° 12756
Mars 1.52 687 days 1.9° 6794
Jupiter 5.20 11.86 years 1.3° 143200
Saturn 9.54 29.46 years 2.5° 120000
Uranus 19.18 84 years 0.8° 52290
Neptune 30.06 165 years 1.8° 50450
Pluto 39.44 248 years 17.2°
2200-2300
Two books, a must for any Geometer's library:
"Beginnings, the Sacred Design,"Bonnie Gaunt, Adventures unlimited Press, 2000
and,
"The Cabalah of Astrology, the Language of Number,"

William Eisen, DeVorrs & Co, 1986
-VZ
reikimstr@aol.com (Lorin)
Lynn,
If you read Gaunts book you will have a mathematical proof of the Divinity of Christ and
the sacred geometric connections between the Temple in Jerusalem, the Khofu Pyramid
and Stonehenge.
It is a great book. You'll have to stretch your mind a bit, but a couple of readings and it
will become clear. She has done her research.
Best Regards,
Lorin
We will be using this as did Gann. Say you come across a reciprocal which is .990
Square rooting the 990 you get 31.46 with a tad of slippage is the 1/2 way point between
the roots of 31 and 32. See 31 X (31+1=32)= 992 or .992 which is the 1/2 way between
the squares. Gann once uttered the words" Squares and their 1/2 way points stop markets
in their tracks."
Adding one thru Nine together you get forty five, now, if you find the triangle number of
the number nine, you also get forty five, because its the same thing.
9 times 10 divided by two, is forty five, the master number, now the triangle number of
45 is, 45 times 46 divided by two gives 1035, 1035 / 45 gives 23, just one tick over one
half of 45, in other words a 22.5 degree angle. now then, since the highest digit is the
number nine. we can do this to check ourselves one divided by .9 gives us 1.111111111,
now if we drop one of those ones, and use 1.11111111 and square that number, you will
see there is your nine digits that gann talked about, so then the number 1.11111111 is the
root of all numbers.
Just a tid-bit to sleep on.
B.
Brian,
Good morning and happy to see Kory here also. Going thru the post there are a number of
names I recognise.
I presume that "respect" for each others opinions is the keyword of this site. It is very
difficult for students to learn if they are constantly on the defensive.
That said: My name is Lorin, I am a student, technical analyst, counsellor, trained

research scientist in NeuroPsychology, and own a farm and ranch in south-eastern
Wyoming.
I am a geometer and use sacred geometry, astro, and non-linear, higher order patterning,
(chaos), in my analysis and trading. After many years of study it is safe to say you will
learn as much from metaphysics as physics.
My recent favourite quote is "Never be afraid to try something new.

Remember Amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titantic."
Does this remind you of the Nasdaq?
Hopefully, everyone here will build an ark.
Best Regards,
Lorin
SheMystery@aol.com (Bonnie)
The moderator of the other site is Ok but there was a member in there from Australia. It
was his way or the highway. Lorin would post some interesting material in which we
would try to follow and the member, we will call "Jaws", would chew on him.
Recently I posted some material and was accused of being in a drug ring with my "drug
lord" Uncle.
Kory forgot a "stop loss" and well hell "Jaws" chewed on him for days.
Funny though Kory got mad and called all the markets for the next day and he
was spot on.
While "Jaws" was too busy "chewing" on Lorin.
I had to code my postings so heavily that no one could follow me. It was frustrating. At
the site there was a lot of great talent...unfortunately most left after a good thrashing from
Jaws.
Finding the repeating geometric principle inherent in markets does not give one the right
to be-little others analysis.
Jaws has many wall street friends but most went to college where everyone knows
markets are random. You make a few "calls" that pan out and wall street listens. When
you be-little others usually it is caused by self-worth anxiety. Kory obtained the birth info
of Jaws and I did his chart...posted a bit but stopped way short of any negativity which
could have been posted.
Anyway,
B.
I have here a copy of Ganns May Coffee Santos D written a few months before his
demise. It is a private letter he wrote to one of his students. It starts out with the March
19, 1954 high at 8729. Then he reports that using a SCALE of 1 point to 1 degree the
price is at 29 Gemini. This was obtained by what I call Mod 360. Subtract out as many
circles of 360 as you can and you are left with 89. In our zodiac the 89th degree is the
same as 29 Gemini. Like Aries, 30 degrees, Taurus 30 degrees and 29 into Gemini. Then
Gann goes on to report that using a SCALE of 30 points to one degree = 21 capricorn.
The Gannster has these SCALES on a previous page. He has Jupiters SCALE
marked like 1 Aries = 12, 2 Aries = 24, 3 Aries= 36 etc...all around the zodiac which ends
at 29 Pisces = 4308.
The Gannster has Saturn staring the same way with increments of 30. 1
Aries = 30, 2 Aries = 60, 3 Aries = 90 etc.
The Gannster then goes on with Uranus... 1 Aries = 84, 2 Aries = 168 etc...
The reason he used 12 for Jupiter is because this is the amount of time it takes (in years)
for Jupiter to complete a revolution. 30 for Saturn and 84 for Uranus.
But back off for a second...why would gann be using SCALES with the planets?
Isnt there SCALES in music?
B.
B:
Scales are most definitely important to any music, western, or eastern.
Fro example the "C Major Scale" is comprised of all of the "white" keys on a piano
keyboard, ie: C, D, E, F, G, A, B, then C, again.
7 notes, then we begin again, above or below.
"Middle C" on the keyboard vibrates at a universal 264 vibrations per second, "C" below
middle "C" vibrates at 132, and "C" above middle "C" vibrates at 528.
The sounds which we consider harmonius to our "Western" ears are based in the
mumbers "7" and "11."
We think of an octave, as divided into "8ths." (MurreyMath, all the way), which in reality
is “7" plus a new beginning, or "1" of the next series of
"7."
-VZ
I almost forgot. On that Date Gann has helio Jupiter at 20 Gemini. I checked the eph and
it was at 29 Gemini conjunct Price.
B.
Circle of Eight. Mean of Five.
When you see for example a GEOCENTRIC planet 18 Libra this is the longitude ,
what you must do though to add things up is add degrees so Libra is 180 degs
and 180 +18 =198 and so on. Geo MOF is longs of Jup+Sat+Ur+Nep+Plu divided by 5
COE is Geo Merc+Ven+Mar+Sat+Ur+Nep+Plu+Jup divided by 8 Gann used also the
Avge of 6 planets both Helio & Geo Mars to Pluto also to add to this he used Helio
Average of Jup+Sat+Ur+Nept. To add insult to injury he also used Avge
of Jup+Sat.!!!!! Bill Meridian and Mary Downing like very much midpoint aspects
between planets and transiting midpoints. They have used Cosmo biology Ebertin 90
degree dials to facilitate this. George Bayer used Mercury aspects to Jup/Sat midpoint
helio also.
Many people are unaware of the mof and coe.
B.
More music comparisons:
First we have "C, D, E, F, G, A, B (natural), the

"white" keys, and
"D-flat, E-flat, G-flat, A=flat

B-flat." or not "flats," then "sharps."
"Sharps" symbol ( # ) are "C#, D#, F#, G#, A#,
The 7 white keys and the 5 black keys account for our
Western 12-note scale.
In music, we have "The Circle of 4ths," and "The

Circle of 5ths."
The "Cof4ths" = C, F, B-flat, E-flat, A-flat, D=flat,

A-flat.
The "Cof5ths" = C, G, D, A, E, B, F#
All of the 12 notes are represented when the notes of

both "Circles" are added up.
The Circle of 4ths and 5ths actually make up most of

Western music chord "progressions."
Any jazz musician, learning his improvising skills,

early on, will know his "Circle of 4ths&5ths."
The basic American "Blues" chord progression, for
example, in the key of "C" is made of of 3 basic
chords,
"C (major or minor)," "F" and "G7"
Notice that the relationship of "C" to "F" is a "4th"

and "C" to "G7" is a "5th."
-VZ
Gann Goes on to say : From October 1 1936 to March 19 1954 Geocentric

Saturn moved 231 degrees.
B's persoanl note: 10-1-36 Low 300 3-19-54 Hi 8729
Price difference = 8429 Saturn 231 X 36.5 projected from origin of 300
equals 8731.5 just missing the top.
36.5 is the half way point between the squares of 36 and 37
B.
NW: But how would you know to use 36.5 versus any other number? How about 30
which you said is Saturn's number? Seems like 36.5 is back fitting to me,
unless I am missing something?
And why Saturn?
On the other hand, on March 19, 1954 there was a Full Moon at 29 Virgo. Mod 360 the
8729 high price = 29 Gemini which Squares the Sun and Moon at 29 Pisces - 29 Virgo.
By the way, I have October 5, 1931 as the all time low for Coffee at a price of 4.40 cents.
Hopefully, see chart below. Is there documentation that disproves this? I think I got my
info from the CSC in NY.
Cheers,
Norman
For some reason you did not include the other half of that sentence from Gann's Coffee
Letter. It should read: "Geocentric Saturn moved 231 degrees, which would equal a price
of 7230"
Gann explains all thru the letter many different but Exact ways how to get his times and
prices including "7230." Trying to make number squares fit won't work either on the
dozen other swings he mentions.
Keep in mind there are systematic intentional errors by Gann to figure out, and there are
others possibly by Billy Jones.
Here is an important question - how significant was the extreme high of March 19, 1954?
Gann used that key swing date in many examples.
Ken
1] Averaging several contracts together
OR
2] Utilising the dollar value i.e Number of Pounds in the contract multiplied by dollars
per pound and then converting to a Zodiac degree ?
>>
Different rates of Vibration. What if you took 30 somewhat random stocks and put them
together and watched that vibration. That line of 30 stocks would have its own rate of
vibration but as long as they were all freely traded the Octave would still be the octave,
the 5th the 5th and the 4th the
4th.
Hope this helps.
B.
Hello All,
I have in front of me a hand drawn chart from Gann on U.S.Steel and will give you an
example of how he did his splits.
Say you have the stock named Melby Gold Ltd and tomorrow mourning it goes 2 for 1.
Today it is trading at 200. Gann would make his daily mark at 200. Tomorrow the stock
opens at 100 due to the split. Gann would then drop down to 100 to make his mark. In
other words on this chart I am looking at he recorded where the price was physically
traded.
The lowest price IBM ever traded was 8 3/4. But that was way back so if you look at that
price now after downloading the info you would see a price of .0301 cents or something.
Gann would base his squares on 8 3/4 and that is food for thought. 2 for 1 = (2:1) and that
is a good octave.
B.
DOW: Starting from my favourite top on 7-20-98 (It is my favourite because it was the
first top I called more than 4 months in advance and have everyone write in on their
calendar's) Price 9413. To 10-10-89 Price 2794.
Heliocentric Saturn moved from 12.7 Capricorn to 0 Taurus. While Helio Uranus moved
from 4.2 Cap to 10.9 Aquarius or we could say 11 Aquarius.
Saturn moved 107.3 while Uranus moved 36.7 add the 2 together = 144. Now
the sr (square root) of 107.3 - the sr for 36.7 which is 6.05= 4.3. 4.3 div
by .00555555 = 774. (774 is a great number to remember for our discussion)
774 mod 360 = 54 degrees. The sr of our 2794 price = 52.85...our other price
of 9413 mod 360 was at 53 degrees. (If you do not understand how I got the 53
degrees from 9413 look at my post astro-intro.
Price traveled 6619 X .005555= 36.7 which is the distance Uranus traveled. Also note
that 46 X 144= 6624.
Next from 10-10-89 Price 2794 to 4-21-81 price 1031 Saturn moved from 7.2 Libra to
12.7 Cap. While Uranus moved from 27.7 Scorpio to 4.2 Capricorn. Price moved 1763.
13th square of 144=1872-1763= 1 over 108.
144-108 = 36 which is the distance Uranus moved. Saturn moved 95.5 while
Uranus moved 36.5 . 95.5 div by 36.5 = 2.616 which is our golden spiral.
Price of 1031 mod 360 = 11 Aquarius. Or 311 degrees. Price traveled 1763 X
.00555555= 9.79 which is the root of what Saturn travelled.
Sat 96.5/360 = .2680 Uran. 36.5/360 = .1013 add together =.369

which is a little over our circle. Recip = 2.70 and price was at 274.
Next from 4-21-81 price 1031 to 10-24-73 price 997.6 Saturn moved from 29 Gemini to
7.2 Libra. Uranus moved from 23.5 Libra (Korys Sun sign) to 27.7 Scorpio. 997 mod 360
= 82.4 and 1031 mod 360 = 49. Adding 82.4 and 49 we get 131.4 Saturn moved 98.2 and
Uran. Moved 34.2 = 132.4 and we are a dollar off. The difference between Saturn and
Uranus on 10-24-73 was
203.5 - 89 = 114.5 X .555555= 63.6 Subtracting the 98.2 d Sat. Traveled and the
34.2 degrees Uranus traveled = 64 degress. Which is the square of 8.
Next from 10-24-73 price 997.6 to 1-5-66 price 992.26 Saturn traveled from 17.7 Pisces
to 29 Gemini. Uranus from 16.7 Virgo to 23.5 Libra. During this time 407 weeks elapsed.
407-360= 47 degrees. Or a tad over ½ way point of square. Calendar days = 2849 cube
root = 14.17 cube root of price 9.99, 14.17 / 9.99= 1.414 which proves the diagonal. Note
price was on the ½ way point between squares 31 and 32. Or the triangle number of 31.
Saturn/Uranus were 114.5 degrees apart X .5555555= 31.58 X 2 (Octave) = 63.16. 31 +
32 = 63.
Take ya a string and divided it exactly at ½ way point and you got yourselves 2 strings I
reckon. (Octave).
Next from 10-22-57 price 416 (26 Taurus) to 1-5-66 price 992. Saturn
moved from 15.1 Sag. To 17.7 Pisces. Uranus moved from 8.4 Leo to 16.7 Virgo.
Price went 576 or 144 X 4 while Time went 428 which is 144 X 3. Vector value is 717.6
or 144 X 5. 576 div by 428 weeks is 1.34 (slope) musical 4th. Sat/Uran. Moved 60.1 X 6
= 360 degrees and Price went exactly 24 squares.
Sat moved 98.4, Uran moved 38.3 divided the roots and we are on the golden
spiral.
Next from 6-15-49 price 160.6 to 10-22-57 Price 416. Sat. Moved from
6.7 Virgo to 15.1 Sag. (Michelles Sun sign) Uran moved from 0.5 Cancer to 8.4
Leo. 160.6 root 12.67 move decimal 1 point to right and you get 126.7 which
is the distance between Sat. Uran. Price -288 (2 squares of 144) = 128
degrees. Rt 160.6 = 12.67 -416 rt 20.4= sq. Distance of 7.73 hmm, 7.73 div
by .00555555= 1391 mod 360 = 311 and we are back at good ole 11 Aquarius.
B.
<< Price traveled 1763 X .00555555= 9.79 which is the root of what Saturn travelled. >>
Two weeks ago Brian with saturn Cranking on your Natal Sun, I thought Saturn
had sucked the life force right out of you. With posts like you have been
making, via your pocket calculator, the past week or so; I can only imagine
what you will come up with when you receive the Magic Wheel in the next day
or so. Becareful so you do not hurt yourself, it is very powerful.
By the Way- GANN was indeed a MASON.
'lil wizard
<< Two weeks ago Brian with saturn Cranking on your Natal Sun, I thought
Saturn had sucked the lifeforce right out of you. >>
I felt the "life-force" being sucked out of me. getting home from Kinkos at 2:00 A. bed at
3 then up at 6 for 2 weeks is no fun. Thank God all that xeroxing is over.
All work and no play was making B. a dull boy.
B,
Could you please list the steps one should take in doing the type of analysis you show
below? Please assume nothing. Keep it simple and concise.
Step 1: ???
Step 2: ???
etc. etc etc
Thanks,
Norman
Hi B.
It will be nice when I can move out of the cubicle, into a real office......
>Next from 10-22-57 price 416 (26 Taurus) to 1-5-66 price 992. Saturn
>moved from 15.1 Sag. To 17.7 Pisces. Uranus moved from 8.4 Leo to 16.7 Virgo.
> Price went 576 or 144 X 4 while Time went 428 which is 144 X 3. Vector
>value is 717.6 or 144 X 5. 576 div by 428 weeks is 1.34 (slope) musical
>4th. Sat/Uran. Moved 60.1 X 6 = 360 degrees and Price went exactly 24
>squares.
>Sat moved 98.4, Uran moved 38.3 divided the roots and we are on the golden
>spiral.
I get a Sat move of 92.6 on this date range, rather than 98.4.
347.7 - 255.1 = 92.6
I just want to bring it up to make sure I'm not missing something. However, I do get a Sat
move of 98.4 on the last face.
Thanks for the Blizzard...! Still have much to ponder.
> Next from 6-15-49 price 160.6 to 10-22-57 Price 416. Sat. Moved from
>6.7 Virgo to 15.1 Sag. (Michelles Sun sign) Uran moved from 0.5 Cancer to 8.4
>Leo. 160.6 root 12.67 move decimal 1 point to right and you get 126.7 which
>is the distance between Sat. Uran. Price -288 (2 squares of 144) = 128
>degrees. Rt 160.6 = 12.67 -416 rt 20.4= sq. Distance of 7.73 hmm, 7.73 div
>by .00555555= 1391 mod 360 = 311 and we are back at good ole 11 Aquarius.
>
>B.
-- Gt —
Hello G,
Good luck on moving out of the cubicle I know how that is; you kinda feel boxed in at
times.
Anyway congratulations! A good researcher would check my calculations. And yes if

you found discrepancies you would need to make the corrections. Sorry, sometimes I am
thinking like 49 and I will write down .7 or something.
It took me along time to write (over 12 hours) all that funny multiplication stuff going on.
Fortunately I was just shown how to use a calculator. See; 1 X 6 = 6.
Anyway. On Ganns scales he used 12,30,84 etc. This man was not a fool. He would not
have just wrote "oh, here you go, here are the scales." but when you read into a few ideas
do seem to shine.
B.
There may be people about us that may have the view astro is invalid. In another room
while I was receiving a good thrashing from "Jaws" Leon who is a member in here posted
that he recalled me calling the top of the markets. I think it was about a month or 2 in
advance and I was off like 6 or 7 market hours anyway, the technique was 100 % astro. In
that writing I also spoke of recessionary conditions following the top.
In a new letter copyrighted in January 2000 I also showed price going down from the top.
(Newsletter is not available to public and I do not charge for it so this is
not a solicitation) then there was the whole may 19, anyway I am going to share with you
my technique on when more recessionary conditions will occur.
Saturn and Uranus complete a circle every 20 years. 1/2 this period (octave) is 10 years.
So every 10 years we can expect recessionary conditions. 2000 and 2001 - 10 = 90,91 -10
= 80,81 - 10= 70,71 and we will hit 30-31 etc... So I will leave it up to you to predict
more recessionary conditions 2000, 2001 + 10 = ?
How can this info be of use. Knowing we are heading into recessionary conditions and
having a stock pile of mutual funds (like the general public) one could have sold at the
top and waited for the right time to re-enter. I am no longer in the business of making
calls. Recently I tried to call Kory and just could not even figure that out.
B.
I meant Sat / Jupiter complete a circle every 20 years and I mistakingly wrote Saturn
Uranus. So So sorry. It would appear that I have Saturn Uranus on the Brian like Gann
did when he wrote 45 years on wall street.
Brian:
You give a total of 6 different examples and six different calculations for verifying a
move. Is there one method that will work all the time or is there a sequence of
calculations that must be performed such as with the scales in music?
Lynn
There is a very high possibility that there is a connection there. Yes I would agree. You
may have stumbled on something I mentioned earlier scales in music. Like if you take a
string and divide it precisely at the 1/2 way point then you get 2 parts of equal length.
Lynn, start looking at time. Start incorporating Time into your analysis. I know price is
what we all focus on but realise that time is TWICE as important. Just forget all about
price for now. work on time then when you are accustomed go back and incorporate
price. Like say a market moved 28.9 hours. SHAZAM you are looking at price...no go
back and look at time. anything about that number of importance? Remember Gann did
not have calculator like me. take 28.9 move the decimal one place to right 289. This is the
square of 17. They have got Gale moving that decimal in price...apply it to time. Not at
every move but hey. Ok, go back thru the
blizzard and prove to yourself the value of my calculations.
B.
There is a lot of information on this chart, but worth your time to try to understand. The
geometry is there. There was also minor astro at the low.
Eight months ago; my monthly anniversary research projected that if the lows made in
Oct 2000, were taken out after the last day of October 2000, then the
next highest probability time period for a low would be in April. The Naz has fulfilled
that probability with the low the week of April 6th and the Dec contract S&P also made
new lows that week.
But there is still a good possibility of new lows into the end of this month.
Things to think about: 1.) Yahoo, sponsor of this group announces big layoffs, (20%),
while announcing they will stop selling porn. 2.) Big move up this week is precipitated
by Amazon, who has never made a cent, announces that they will continue to lose money,
just not quite as much ---and the market rally's big on the news that Amazon will
continue to bleed.
A market that has lost 70% will have intermittent rally's but it will be a long time before
those old highs are taken out. How long? Well, you 30 year olds might have white hair.
Every time you get ready to throw money at this market remember that all of the
safeguards that were put in place by the survivors of the period from
1929-1933; have been done away with since 1980. There are no safeguards left
in the securities industry and the banks have been investing their depositors
money in the markets for 2 years. The big losses from public pension funds,
(managed by banking and securities industry), and from banks direct
investments have yet to be reported.
Also remember that the average age of a employee and regulator at Treasury, Fed, and
banking industry is about 35. They have never seen a bear market, they don't have a clue
what a bear market is, and they have no one alive in their families that actually lived thru
1929-1939 as an adult. In other words, this generation, thru greed, is likely to repeat their
great grandparents mistakes.
Best Regards,
Lorin
In a message dated 4/15/01 11:23:51 PM Central Daylight Time,

joe6964@... writes:
<< According to Bill Meridian the first trade date for IBM was 2/14/1924. >>
Perfect....great job!!! I actually obtained this info from contacting the "Archives" of the
company. Now one question is left. In 1924 what time did the New York Stock Echange
open daily for trading in 1924.
There are those that "believe" that a stock or commodity can not have a "birth chart".
This is absurd. This assumption not only throws out "electional astrology" as used for
over 3000 years. But invalidates the Bible.
When I hear thru the grapevine of individuals making such utterances it not
immediately "red flags" me but literally "makes me mad". I want to "lash out" at
them...after all I have been mislead myself. "Jaws" would be a good example here.
But I calm down, remain calm. I view the absurdity as a filter.
Any good Astrologer should be able to erect a natal chart given only 2 factors on a
female (that has had a child). Date of Female's birth and date of birth of a child. If your
Astrologer can not do this something is "amiss". If your Astrologer CAN NOT determine
your DATE OF BIRTH from the following 3 factors something is "other than it seems".
Moons Longitude, Mars Longitude and Neptune's Longitude in your Natal Chart. Planets
must be presented as either direct or retrograde.
I say this because Kory contacted an Astrologer claiming to have 25 years experience. I
had read her so called "credentials" and actually told him "I was impressed"....Kory at
that time had been a student of mine for 8 months.
Kory contacted her and well, I hate to say it but I feel Kory was way ahead of her. In fact
she started delineating a chart that was not Korys....Kory corrected her several times.
If you read your horoscope in the newspaper that is one thing. But when it
comes to getting serious lets set some standards. I am not knocking those that are students
and trying to understand Astrology....I am saying no matter who the source (whether it is
me or someone else) QUESTION THE SOURCE. If you are hit up with fancy
"credentials" throw them out. A good Astrologer is RARE.
B.
I will level with you. There are 2 levels which are the plateaus. You get to the first level
after a bit. Level 1 you find the repeating element. At first you think you have the world
by its ba... and that is OK. Then you become like "Jaws" knowing there is more but not
having the "uumph" to continue.
BUT level 2. Nobody is talking. Nobody is giving lectures.

Gann is FAR from impossible. It is just no-one or extremely rarely talks at this level.
Lorin has the trader/researcher type of mentality that it takes... as anyone can readily
observe from his posts. Usually one is either a trader OR researcher. The balance
produces results.
B.
This fancy solar powered calculator is unique. I keep plugging in 1X6 and it keeps
spitting out 6. What will they think of next?
ROOTS, CUBES, SQUARES AND TRIANGLE NUMBERS ARE AT THE HEART OF

GANNS SYSTEM.
<< I think you are preaching to the choir on this point. The only point of
controversy is whether to use the incorporation chart, the trading inception chart, or both.
I am surprised you didn't mention the incorporation chart, which for IBM is very
accurate. Have you tried it? >>
G'day Norman,
Yes I have tried the incorporation date which I got from IBMs "archives" as well. In fact
talking with these people IBM actually changed its name way back to IBM which we
know of...That was back in 1997 so I can not recollect the details.
I observed that I was able to get "resonance" using the incorporation date.
For those not well versed in Astrology this means that you are 10 years old again. You
are sick with pneumonia and in the hospital. Now your Parent Corporation is in the
hospital with you. Your parent is stressed because they are experiencing your suffering.
They are going thru a torrid of emotions. This "stress" that your parent company is
experiencing is going to show up in "their" chart. While your illness shows up in yours.
This is resonance.
How can we chart prices from the date of incorporation?
B.
I think you are making something simple complicated. The stock price is a reflection of
the perception of the corporations prospects. Usually, the stock price is most sensitive to
the emotional side of a corporation's natal chart such as its
Moon (public) and Neptune (institutional and insiders). As for its history, in contrast to
many, IBM's history is relatively straight forward, having been incorporated on June 16,
1911. As for gathering corporate history, usually the companies are not good sources for
this information.
The best sources are Moody's Industrial Manual and the Secretary of State in
the state of incorporation. Fortunately, most large companies are incorporated in
Delaware where they time stamp the incorporation certificate making it possible to have
an exact time for a natal chart. State incorporation data is usually available upon request.
As for charting prices from the date of incorporation, for major companies such as IBM,
there are price histories available going back to near their start. Even if there were no
publicly traded stock for many years, it wouldn't effect the stock prices ability to later
reflect the aspects to the corporation's natal chart. Just because the face of a clock is
covered from view, doesn't mean it isn't still keeping time.
G'Day,
Norman
Hello Norman,
I want to start out by stating that I respect your work and what you do.
Advocates of Astrology are hard to come by. I understand you have helped many which
is a very good thing and appreciate your posts into GG.
Lets just assume I am some quack that doesn't know Venus from my foot. The next
question I am going to ask you is if we use the corporation figure for stocks...what then
do we use for commodities?
If I am following your line I of thinking you are going to say that Commodities do not
have birth charts because they do not have Incorp. dates.
If this is the case than why was Gann using birthcharts in commodities?
In my experience, when you set down to write a book by putting the pen to the paper or
typing the letter of the first paragraph you have taken an action. That action then has an
energy manifestation to it. Every action has reaction to it. It has come into existence....it
has a birth chart.
Sure we can look at Corp. figures and get a little bit of resonance just as we have with
putting the pen to the paper.
I believe in order for your method to be Ganns method there must be continuity. You cant
do one thing on stocks then something else on commodities. I believe there are universal
laws governing vibration. I am sure at some point you have tested commodities against a
birth chart to reach your conclusions and I respect that. But what if there were a method
of rectification similar (NOT EXACTLY) like what I did on erecting Serges DOB.
We could call this instead of a birth chart a "resonance chart".
B.
NW: That was his opinion. I don't happen to agree. I am not saying that this
approach is totally invalid. I think that some of the trading inception natals for
commodities may serve as secondary or tertiary indicators which can be used for
confirmation. Now, my question back to you is,
:what would you have done to forecast and trade a commodity before there was
a futures contract?
I have translations of ancient Indian Astrology tell how to trade gold and silver without
use of any natal charts. Another example is Soybeans, which preceded the Oct. 1936
futures contract by at least 4,000 years. How would you handle that?
Futures are deviates and as such they are dependent on the price movements of the
undlerying vehicle, not the other way around.
Hello Phil,
I do not know if you have the Books by Brad Cowan, (If anyone in here does) and is
looking for some awesome support in beans simply run Brads long term trend line
forward.
Also note that on page 99 Brad constructs a scale that he refers to as the Pythagorean
music scale. That is NOT the pythagorean scale. The scale he constructs is based on the
Primes, 2, 3 and 5 and is the Ptolemaic or Just
scale.
The pythagorean scale is based on the primes 2 (female) and 3 (male). I have done mucho
work on Brads birth chart which has a huge Virgo build-up. What this means is that it is
an improbability that Brad errored.
I am 99.9999% sure he did this for a reason. I mean why show the Pythagorean
scale with the planets for a measly 500 bucks this would be foolishness. No, I am sure
Brad being Brad knew what he was doing....anyone else in here catch this? Or am I the
only one.
Have a great intraday!

B.
X
It has been said that "the end justifies THE MEANS".
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I think he is saying that Brad has played games like Gann does, that he puts something
purposely wrong in to mislead people who are skim readers but will guide those who
check what he says. I believe that Brian would not highlight this unless it was very
important. He advised us in his previous email about 2 levels of understanding (plateaus)
and that no one will tell you what is needed to get to the second level. So I think he is
saying he will not tell us directly but he will guide us if we want to be both researcher
and trader. So I too will be looking into this.
I believe that he is trying to give us another clue in his email to Ola
"The Son of Man spent THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS, then arose and
ASCENDED into heaven. I imagine after this he probably found harmony. Kory once
said to me "Brian if you loan me 3 dollars...I can pay you back .33 cents every month".
Knowing Kory was a man of his word I quickly reached into my
pocket. And Lo.... only had a 5 bill. Kory quickly seized the opportunity figuring it would
take him 25 payments and pleaded for a 0 % interest rate. So I handed over that 5 bill.
Every week just as promised I receive my paymants. I have never charged him a penny
interest."
The maths are all wrong as he would only need 15 payments without interest.
So when Brian said he did not charge interest the number of payments must be
15 (1/6 th of 90). And look at all the 3's, 33 cents, 3 dollars, 3 days and night = 2X3 = 6
(reciprocal of 1/6) and then Ascended!! In another post he says Pythagoras music scale is
based on 2's and 3's. The fifth is 3/2. And original $3 is 12 payments 2X2X3. He is telling
something here.
I noticed another interesting post where a reversal (mirror , octave?) point occurred
around a series of planetary trines. "The only thing I can see is between Nov 25th to 26th
there was an exact trine among several astral bodies that may have changed the vibration
of the source (in this case Mercury)". This cannot be the key all the time but it seems to
me to be a good place to start.
thoughts please.
Phil
Did you also see what Brain said at the very end of his post after all the crosses spaced
vertically.
Cheers,
Henry.
very observant Henry,
Gotta watch him (B.)- he will slip right past you in the dark.
Kory
Hello Ola,
I have a theory. Many smart men and women have studied Gann and failed to reproduce
his results. I think (and this is my opinion) that these smart men and women thought that
astro was a hoax and dismissed it. Mr. Bryce B. Gilmore is one such person but there are
countless others.
When we throw out Astrology we are throwing out the "core" of Ganns system. How do I
know this is the core of the system. The people that ARE successful with "finding Ganns
system...level 2" ALL unanimously point to it.
I have been lucky enough to know a few of these and others I am tracking.
They are adamant on astrology. There is another part I think people overlook and that is
the scales.
If one was to know those inside and out. Forwards and backwards one begins
to make connections.
I am familiar with Kepler who points to Pythagoras. Remember that it was Kepler who
found that if you draw a triangle on a blackboard in the middle of a geometry class then
draw a circle inside the triangle and outside those ratios are Jupiter Saturn.
Planets move in 3d not just the plane figure of the zodiac. The best advise I think I could
give is to eliminate handicaps. 1) Astrology and 2) Harmonic Scales.
Learning these 2 parts will eliminate any handicaps in these areas...From these
connections can be made.
I have spent thousands like everyone else in here and frankly I was pissed.
BUT fortunately included in the money spent was Astrology and Harmonics. Know
the interconnectedness in the scales...get an intimate understanding. Then re-read my post
"The Blizzard".
I hope this helps all those out there. One more thing. There are a ton of books on
astrology...some good some not so good. How are you going to weed out the good from
the bad?
B.
And while preparing that geometry class Kepler got heavenly inspired and eager to find
the sacred geometry that rules the paths of the planets. And he did indeed found out that it
was 3D not just 2D.
A google-search with keywords Kepler+Harmony will bring forward vast amounts of

information about the mans adventures.
Cheers,
Ola
The planets move in ellipses which justifies the MEANS and makes clear much
of Bayers works.
My dog-gone generator just went out. Schucks. Heres to you KT and my generator which
just moves around and around.
Hats off!
B.
Corkster,
The name of that hotel up the street is "Super 8 lodge" on Dirksen in Springfield....there
is the bachelor/ette party and then I do the wedding thing then 3 weeks and the "Time
period " is up. Yes it is a "trip" at that hotel" but hey you will be lucky to find your way
through the new bar.
I really think alot of people view my post "The blizzard" as a mathematical
exercise..."Blizzard" took me 12 hours to write and was purposely followed up by
afterburner...but hey shucks...Norman pointed out that he was not impressed with Ganns
ability to build a house. Heck, in such a crazy way I am sitting here wondering when the
cubes in the sky will turn.
---Like that Journey song...but I feel like almost want to exclaim "Schucks"
....Moon light, feels right....
And then there is that late payment of .20 cents you owe me. You Bum. I'm still standing
but hey...you owe....that reminds me of that superficial lady at the bar exclaiming" Brafds
ellipse on chart II. C. Shows a 142 trading day ellipse. Using the above formula we take
142 X 1.44 which gives 204. 5 (superficial 205-ish number!), 204.5 calendar days X .
0055555 = 1.135, the root of 1.135 is 1.065, 1.065 divided by .00555555= 191.8. 360
divided by 191.8 = 1.876 (Mars takes 687 days for 1 rev. Earth takes 365.25, If we divide
687 by 365 we get 1.88!)
This told me that both Earth and Mars were involved. So I took a look at the 2 dates 3-21-
91 and 10-10-91. (Use mars and earth like you would say Jup and Sat) I found that the
midpoint of Mars/Earth moved 142 degrees. 142 is the TD count of the elliptical
thingy...now "the Z" ---the moderator said about "current or future" markets well heck I
put that forecast in a previous post. Schucks.
But heck...I got to thinkin and Go to page 31/32 of 4d and look at that ellipse. The time is
28 td. 28 X 1.44 = 40.3 = .223, the root of .223 = .473, .473 divided by .00555555= 85,
360/85= 4.23. This is the ratio of Earth to Mercury.
Earth/Mercury moved 150 degrees. 150 is the price component of the ptv!!! The square
distance is 1.306, The tangent of the 1.306 = 52.5, 90- 52.55= 37.5 degrees. Just missing
the angle of 39.5. If we take the 150 degrees the planets moved X .005555= .833, The
slope here was .824 !!!!
Meaning 150 degrees here would have given a slope of .833, If you knew the TIME
component you would have been able to project the top. And we knew the time
component in advance! We would look at where Earth/Merc. Travelled 150 degrees. That
date would have given us 182 hrs. If we take our 182 X slope of .833 we would have
gotten 151.6 just missing!
867-5309...there must be something there. poor corkster...wont be a sleepin tonight but
give it to CLEAR THE WEEKEND. The Sat opp Moon indeed will time it and the sag
moon will once agin "slow burn".
B.
Utaro,

It is the discovery of Nelson's concerning the effect of
simultaneous multiple harmonics of planetary aspects on
disturbances in shortwave radio transmissions and severe
radio storms . Using Helio , he had a success rate of 90% for
years .
He was chief engineer for RCA .
He postulated that the planetary aspects "modulated" solar
wind or cosmic radiation affecting earth , apart from aspects
almost exact he used planet passing its perihelion point and
north,south and mid-node points as causing effect
enhancements .
You need to get the 3 manuscripts he wrote on all this from
Les Clemens from LS Trading or elsewhere.
BTW this theory initiated some of the thinking of
Stossel/Young . Did not know if I had said so earlier .
The point is that there is some correlation between the dates
given for those storms in the 40's ,50's and the DJIA turning
points in 45 yrs in Wall ST by Gann . Often with a variety of
aspects forming you get a window of time during which you
expect a disturbed period of radio reception . Coincidentally
you also get a market turn within the time window .
I find his writings persuasive for any astroskeptic as he was
neither an astrologer nor an astronomer .

Serge
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gannsghost/conversati
ons/messages/1451
I started by taking the price of the stock IBM and put it into excel. I then took the roots of
all the prices and graphed them. Natural squares will stop a price dead in its tracks. The .5
of that square will also stop price along with the other harmonic divisions i.e. .125, .25, .
375 etc. A price goes rocketing up. It then runs low on MOMENTUM. And starts to
change its angle of ascent because the momentum is exhausted. THERE is no way that
the price will make it through a natural square like 13. Say it is exhausted at 168 (root
169=13) It will not touch 170 before reversing direction! It no longer has the amount of
energy required to pass through the natural square.
1/8 of the square say requires X amount of energy for price to pass through.
¼ requires X + more energy to pass through. ½ of the square requires even
more energy etc...
I then looked at a movement I picked randomly in Ibm. The price went from a high of
170.1 on 1-27-97 to a low on 4-4-97 of 127.1 then up to 182.7 on 5-22-97 at which point
it went down before continuing its upward movement
to 218.1 on 8--597.
I used the Low on 4-4-97 because I found that Venus and Earth were conjunct Helio and
Geo.
The square distance between the low to 5-22-97 is 2.25
The square distance from the low to the top on 8-5-97 was 3.5.
I then made a list converting radians to degrees like .125 radians= 7.16
degrees, .25 radians= 14.32 etc....
On 5-22-97 Venus and Earth were 30 degrees apart.
30 X .0055555 = .1666, .16666 X PI = .523, Root of 523 = 22.8 Move
decimal= 2.28 which is the square distance above.
On 8-5-97 Venus and Earth were 70 degrees apart.
70 X .0055555 = .3888, .3888 X PI = 1.221, Root of 1221= 34.94. Move
decimal= 3.49 which is the square distance above.
The radians of 2.25 = 130.6 degrees. 130.6 X.0055555 = .725. .725 squared
=.5263 (close to .523) above.
The radians of 3.5 = 200 degrees. 200 X .005555= 1.1111, 1.111 squared =
1.234 (close to 1.221 above).
B.
Correct way of working with triangles. Set the right triangle so that the 90 d angle is on
the right, time is along the bottom and price runs up the right side. In an ascending price
move use price divided by time. In a descending move use time divided by price. If your
time is 50 units and your price is 25 units the angle of 26.56 is on the bottom left. This is
the angle that the move took out. The other angle of 63.4 (upper right) is the ANGLE
THAT DEFINES THE MOVE. Once this angle is known the only other factor you need
is your time in days, weeks months etc. Then you work to get your vector and finally
your price.
I realised that I might be talking over some heads in here so lets start out with simple
Simon stuff.
Go to the Dow and look at 10-28-97. Then look at 1-23-98, then look at 4-22-98 then
look at 7-20-98. What do all these dates have in common? They all have Mercury at 3
degrees Sag. Helio. Suppose I knew very little about Astrology. Could I have picked up
on this Mercury pattern? You betcha!
See, I could have taken alot of turning dates and wrote down the positions of
like Mercury, Venus and Mars. From this data I would have seen a "pattern"
with Mercury. Once I had deduced Mercury's pattern I then would have moved to
Venus and deduced that on Dec 5 1997 Venus was at 19 Taurus. Then I would have
noticed that Venus was again at 19 Taurus on 7-20-98 just before the
rotation of the solid. So we have 2 patterns present and would go on to look
at Mars. Now. anytime you get a line up it means something..."something is
happening" and you could like go back in time and check the dow to see if
this is so.
B.
"No serious man speaks seriously about serious things."---Plato
To begin deducing cycles from any market data we need 2 things. A

Heliocentric ephemeris and detrended data (if the market under observation
trends such as the Dow, SP, IBM etc). Now on the ephemeris the choice is up
to you but use Neil Michelsons 1901-2000 Helio which is the Green Book.
We also need data. Yahoo offers data on the dow and others going back to the 1920's.
Begin by detrending the market. The simplest and fastest way is what I call
detrending the data. Say you have a low of 1000 and a high of 2000 and you
want to detrend this data on a daily scale. We notice that there is 1000 points between Hi
and Lo. And lets say this took 1200 days between high and low. "namronkrowehtod" We
would import the data into the software of your choice which is Excel. The price
difference is 1000 while the time in days is 1200. 1200 divided by 1000 = 1.2 So every
day beginning at the low we would subtract out 1.2 points. So like on day 5 we would be
subtracting out 6 points from the data. On day 7 we would subtract out 7.2 points from
the data. On day 8 we would be subtracting out 8.4 points from the data etc.
Then once this is done we import the results back into your favorite charting
program.
Now taking a look at the detrended data we have cycles. All those highs and lows are
directly caused by planets. If we subtracted out all of them we would be left with a
straight string in time.
Brian
Good Afternoon Brian,

What a coincidence, I was reading W.D.GANN's 'Communist through the air'
this afternoon. I see you have taken quotes directly from his retrograde
edition.
Excellent post.
Thanks,
Kory
In Brad Cowans 4D book he lists 15 degree measurements of Jupiter/Saturn,

Saturn/Uranus and Jupiter/Uraus. Also a 22.5 of Jup/Uranus. What the general public
failed to realise is that there is also 15 degrees of Mars/Jupiter, Mars/Saturn,
Jupiter/Neptune, Saturn/Neptune, Uranus/Neptune, Mars/Uranus etc. There is also 22.5
of all these cycles. Many of these cycles will lye dormant. They need to be synchronised
within the solid to be activated.
Thus Cowan eluding the public was able to use only 4 cycles during the 1980s market.
"yenomrofsihttekramdneyrtnamron" The public quickly took this idea and tried to apply
it to the current market and failed. The prime reason of this failure is that many failed to
realize that once there is rotation in the solid the new alignments can bring in
synchronisation (thus activating) cycles beyond the 4 he listed. There are more cycles
than people realize! But here is a Pot of Gold. We are not due to rotate again until 2003
so from 1998 to now we can model the data and run it forward. All we have to do is
isolate the cycles from the 1998,1999 an 2000 in the Dow.
Then run those cycles forward. Then put in the correct trend. How do we know what the
heck the correct trend is. Simple. If we have isolated all the cycles then we can add them
together add in the trend and get price. For different markets there is different cycles
activated at any one time from above.
Brian.
> during the 1980s market. "yenomrofsihttekramdneyrtnamron" The
yenomrofsihttekramdn[e]*a*yrtnamron
I seem to remember somewhere where a third party wrote he saw Brad take over
a million $ out of an oil trade last year (I wish I knew so little about the markets). So just
maybe Brad is hiding something (again)?
And I have noticed that all of brians examples to date are helio so maybe helio is the
more important for determining major turning points? I just don't know these things.
What have you found in your experience? Might be a useful to start a discussion thread
on the importance of helio/geo in determining major turning points? And then in
subsequent threads there will also be lots of useful helio/geo astro work to be done for us
to understand the path that time and price take getting between these major turning points
as well.
Re the coded message, Please have a look at the triangle post, I think his comment is that
the angle at the end of the cycle determines the path of the major trend for that cycle.
There is also some ellipse posts re the end justifies the means. I think that this is the same
concept as Brads angle and lines in his ellipses. The actual methods are also well above
my abilities at the moment but I can see where he is (hopefully) taking us eventually.
So now I will focus on Kory's spreadsheet and try to understand this methodology.
all the best
phil
Hello Unes,
My analysis comes from hard work. Those that have the Cowan books know that my
analysis is going far beyond anything Brad put in the books. I am using the books here as
a foundation. It is not my intent to spoon feed others. My main reason for posting this in
is that it occurred to me that I may be confusing those that are unfamiliar with the
concept of cycles. As I stated there is no other source for this information in print that I
know of...what I mean by this is many people feel stuck with the Cowan books. My posts
go beyond the books to open up doors for those diligent enough to put in the time it takes.
I strive for content in my work. There are those that know that the information that is in
here is substantial. The question is am I a mad man or do I want you to do some of the
work? If people just simply posted all of Ganns system in. In a nice sweet condensed
package that is easy to read and understand what do you think the consequences of this
would
be?
B.
Hello Phil,
I have been deluged with private e-mail on these posts. I know there is you and many
many others in here that are seeing certain connections and this is good. I found it VERY
INTERESTING that you related that above post to an ellipse. I read that and smiled. I
have spent years in around the clock research. I love to teach (point things out) to others
such as yourself.
Great work!
B.
Hello Norman,
I got out my ephemeris and such thinking there was going to be some content in your
recent post. Unfortunately, unless I am overlooking something here there is little useful
market information in your posts. Could you please post something pertaining to the
markets that we could study? I understand you have over 30 years in cycles and I can not
wait for you to share this information with us. That is just about the time I have been on
this planet. So you for sure have me beat in the amount of years spent on cycles. But let's
do a challenge. Post something in that myself and others can study on the markets. That is
all I am asking. This is Ganns
ghost and I have been posting Gann content. I am not against you as I feel my critics are
good for me and I would truly like to see some technique.
What is frustrating me here is not your posts. Its the lack of market content. I mean 30
years. Heck, by the time I get 30 years in on this schucks I will be tending my roses. Now
let me ask you a sincere question.
Have you ever been confused when reading Gann materials? In fact if there is
anyone in here that has not been confused when reading Gann materials...you
are very fortunate. Let me ask another question. I have spent hard work building a house.
Is it right that you come and move into it. Certainly not. The idea is absurd. So is the idea
that I am going to turn over everything I know. The clues are in there for those diligent
enough to find them. All I am asking is that you post in some technique. This is a
discussion room devoted to Gann. If you do not agree with me fine why not prove me
wrong with technique.
B.
<< My only reservation with some of the material you are posting would be that the
fudge factor may be too much of a hurdle for 'newbies' to overcome especially since the
learning curve is steep anyway and a newbie by definition is unlikely to
have the wherewithal to separate the wheat from the chaff. >>
Hello there,
I agree with you. I purposely backed up when I realised this myself (that there were
others that wanted to learn but were really unfamiliar with astro). A great starting point is
for these people to simply work the Mercury, Venus, Mars cycles. Take like all your tops
and bottoms for a couple years and see if you can deduce a pattern like I did. This is
basic.
It is also in the right direction. Crazy Train is advanced, Blizzard is advanced yes. And
this is going to prove frustrating to newbies. So I backed up and gave a starting point. As
I explained to V in a private e-mail I am in here for a limited amount of time. Once this
time has expired I will leave ghost to move on to new phases of my life. I already have
several colleagues that are wondering when I am going to pull out of Ghost.
I have left the Quigley and Bryce rooms and this is the last one. But the postings will
remain for others and others that will come. This was the message of slow burn.
B.
What is meant by 15 degrees of Mars/Jupiter? Lets pick a random date and look at the
ephemeris. Well maybe not so random as it is Corksters birthdate. Say we found a low on
8-21-88 when Mars was at 11 Pisces and Jupiter is at 22.5 Taurus Heliocentrically. 341
degrees and 52.5...so there is 71.5 degrees difference between Mars and Jupiter and in
our example this produced a bottom. "Srehtostruhnoitamrofnignidaelsim"
Ok so we are at 71.5 degrees so or next point or top will be located at 71.5-15=56.5
degrees between Mars and Jupiter. On September 17,1988 Helio Mars was at 28.5 Pisces
and Jupiter was at 25 Taurus for a difference of 56.5 degrees and there would be our top.
Now from our top we would get the next low at 56.5- 15= 41.5 degrees and this occurred
on Oct. 15 1998. This is what Gann meant when he said "the planes flew up and down up
and down on the wall". This premise needs to be combined with all planet cycles talked
about above so that the active cycles can be deduced.
B.
Synchronicity is the key when working with active cycles. Different faces of structures
carry different synchronicity activating different cycles.
Sometime a cycle can invert. The public completely missed this concept
"namronsuinegtonsikrowsrehtogniypoc" due to lack of experimentation with back
data. Look for inversions when cycles line up within a few days of each other on a 2:1
(octave) basis or 3:2 (fifth) basis. This will cause the 15 degrees to go Hi Lo Hi in 7.5
degree increments. This should be nothing new to those who have studied harmonics.
Victor strives for content in GG. I know of no other source...either for sale or on the web
where this information could have been obtained. It is only in Ghost. Period.
B.
Hello Phil,
I apologize. Due to time constraints I did not cover Saturn yesterday. Remember I said
we are not due for rotation until 2003. Ok take Saturn (Helio) and add 60 degrees from
the 1998, July 20 top. Now at the same time there is a very large cycle not mentioned in
the Cowan books that will pull the market down at that time. Saturn will time this cycle.
Saturn moves 60 degrees and sometimes 30. An example of 30 is September 29 to July
'32.
Saturn moved from 0 Cap. to 0 Aquarius. Saturn was at home and strong in
Capricorn during the entire depression! This is an example of its 30 degree move. A
couple examples of 60 degree moves is '32 to '37 and '82 to '87.
Note here that Aries and Libra are opposite signs of the zodiac.
Now going back to our '98 to '03. Make some measurements of other planets that will fit
in close to this move. Like say Jup/Sat etc. Then go back and check for its hi lo hi pattern.
Simply run this forward for a market model.
I asked Corkster a while back where he derived that Saturn column from.
I think he told me to check the ratio with Uranus/Saturn.
B.
Hello Norman,
I think what Kory posted in a few hours ago speaks for itself. And personally I look
forward to your inputs even if they counter my own. You mentioned Brad. I too have
spoken with him several times and like you said he is just clueless on this whole market
thing. If one spends enough time in those books and does the work, one sees the genius of
the man. But I have noticed a pattern here. I post in some information and you post in
your "views". Fair enough. Lets switch. You post in some information that people can
work on and study and I will post in my views on it.
My goal is not to mess up your "clientele". My goal is to inform others.
Like lets look at the large cycle that is due to pull down the Dow in 2003.
This cycle was not covered in the Cowan books and will throw off alot of unsuspecting
cyclist. Why dont we begin here.
B.
WARNING: The following contains advanced Gann analysis some times requiring
a long passage of time to understand. If you find the material offensive please disregard
the post.
I started out with talking about the birth chart which is geocentric. I then went on to show
mathematical proof of Helio cycles. This has confused many. In fact many have been
confused for a long time on this. So that brings me to this question. Can there be an inter-
relatedness between the 2 systems?
If one was to learn one, then the other, then look for similarities in the form of inter-
relatedness could certain relationships present themselves? I hold out to you, based on
what has already been talked about this would almost have to be so.
B.
Swan Song,
Hello All. Indeed it is hard to find a handful of good students.

Individuals that want to truly study under another. My time in this room has expired. I
will admit defeat (in the room) with the score being Norman 1, Brian 0. This pleases me
as in the course of discussion I have learned a lot about many of you in here which was
my true goal. I know who is doing the work and who is not.
I do want to leave on this note. Norman, I do respect your work for what it is. I respect
others and did not mean you any harm in your methods. The "firestorm" that was
intentionally set off Friday was both intentional and fruitful. I have a list here of
individuals from the room who are doing the work. These individuals, can contact me at
Thebay4@... if you have any questions regarding the posts. I have been contacted by a
few that asked why I do not have my own room. Unfortunately, I do not have the time
and it is not my goal.
The use of Helio in the form presented is valid. The use of Geo as in Birth charts is also
valid.
I was asked "why take something that is simple and make it hard". I started out simple
like everyone else. My posts were geared for those that are seeking to understand.
For those that are doing the work I will leave you with something. The Blizzard is a
CUBE. Thus afterburner as described by Gann is a cube (house).
The Cube I presented simply updates Brads cube in 4d. I believe that squares, roots and
cubes are at the heart of Ganns system. I believe Gann used both helio and geo as
presented in his writings. I believe that number progressions are important. I believe there
is a link between what defines things such as cubes and ellipses. I believe in hard work. I
believe in teaching. I believe somewhere, perhaps on another plane that the score above is
a little different. I believe in math and I have REAL faith. I believe in music.
I wish you all the very best in your trading/learning I hope you find it as enlightening as I
have.
I believe in what Hannibal Smith said and G put it "I love it when a plan comes together".
Cheers,
Brian

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Have a great intraday!!!!

So .00555555 is the number that works on the square of 9.

More will follow on this.

So if BRCM went from 256 on 10/14/00 to 85 1/2 on 11/28 and is now on a

Thank you for the reply,

Greetings to my friend Brian!

But first before you do that master the first step.

For time, I believe I counted 80 5-minute bars = 5 x 80 = 400 \ .5555 = 720,

Gail & Rex:

Now look at 1522-1348=174 and 1522-1425=97 / .55555=174.6 Another

Would you show us the time angles, pleeeeaaaaasssssee? Jeff

Kory are you in here yet?

Like .202 is an octave of 1.616 by that I mean 1.618 divided by 2 = .808 by

Look at how you "convert to degrees". 1522 root = 39.012

39.012-36.715 = 2.297 <<<This is your square distance

Take 2.297 divided by .005555555= 414.

Ask, and it shall be given unto you;

In a circle of 360 degrees. If we inscribe a pentagon we have 5 sides of 72 degrees each.

On the bottom in very small markings he has

Ok time went 375. 375 divided by .00555555= 675.

<< When it starts at 0 and runs to 144, is it running vertically or horizontally?

Aspects give us a clue about how a planets vibration changes as it comes

B. ---Well done Lynn!

Planet Mean Dist Period of Inclination

Two books, a must for any Geometer's library:

"Beginnings, the Sacred Design,"Bonnie Gaunt, Adventures unlimited Press, 2000

"The Cabalah of Astrology, the Language of Number,"

Just a tid-bit to sleep on.

That said: My name is Lorin, I am a student, technical analyst, counsellor, trained

My recent favourite quote is "Never be afraid to try something new.

Hopefully, everyone here will build an ark.

Scales are most definitely important to any music, western, or eastern.

7 notes, then we begin again, above or below.

Circle of Eight. Mean of Five.

Many people are unaware of the mof and coe.

More music comparisons:

First we have "C, D, E, F, G, A, B (natural), the

"D-flat, E-flat, G-flat, A=flat

"Sharps" symbol ( # ) are "C#, D#, F#, G#, A#,

In music, we have "The Circle of 4ths," and "The

The "Cof4ths" = C, F, B-flat, E-flat, A-flat, D=flat,

All of the 12 notes are represented when the notes of

The Circle of 4ths and 5ths actually make up most of

Any jazz musician, learning his improvising skills,

"C (major or minor)," "F" and "G7"

Notice that the relationship of "C" to "F" is a "4th"

Gann Goes on to say : From October 1 1936 to March 19 1954 Geocentric

B's persoanl note: 10-1-36 Low 300 3-19-54 Hi 8729

36.5 is the half way point between the squares of 36 and 37

1] Averaging several contracts together

Hope this helps.

Sat 96.5/360 = .2680 Uran. 36.5/360 = .1013 add together =.369

All work and no play was making B. a dull boy.

etc. etc etc

Thanks for the Blizzard...! Still have much to ponder.

Anyway congratulations! A good researcher would check my calculations. And yes if

In a message dated 4/15/01 11:23:51 PM Central Daylight Time,

BUT level 2. Nobody is talking. Nobody is giving lectures.

ROOTS, CUBES, SQUARES AND TRIANGLE NUMBERS ARE AT THE HEART OF

How can we chart prices from the date of incorporation?

Have a great intraday!

I believe that he is trying to give us another clue in his email to Ola

very observant Henry,