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This workbook lists comments received from several parties on the Policy on LFC&R Part A + B Articles
Framework Agreement (SAFA). The objective is to transparently show the status and response for eac
Versioning
Commenting Phase
omments on the 9th July - 23rd July
s 2018
Received comments
We don’t agree to the standard response to stakeholders “FCR has the function
of a reserve of last resort and has therefore to be available also in cases where
FRR is not activated correctly”.
FCR is the “first” resort with relatively small amount of the fast control reserves
dimensioned for the relatively small frequency deviations and to support other
slower measures with much bigger amount. If all reserves are exhausted there
will be automatic load responses and forced load shedding. Therefore FCR is by
no means “last” resort. We would also like to point out that Swissgrid agrees
entirely what the Swiss stakeholder EKZ has written, in particular their last
sentence “Additionally we feel the existing grid codes for FRR are sufficient and if
enforced adequately will render reserve mode less relevant or obsolete
altogether”. The second part of the standard response “FCR has the function of a
reserve of last resort…” must be removed.
We don’t agree to the standard response to stakeholders “FCR has the function
of a reserve of last resort and has therefore to be available also in cases where
FRR is not activated correctly”.
FCR is the “first” resort with relatively small amount of the fast control reserves
dimensioned for the relatively small frequency deviations and to support other
slower measures with much bigger amount. If all reserves are exhausted there
will be automatic load responses and forced load shedding. Therefore FCR is by
no means “last” resort. We would also like to point out that Swissgrid agrees
entirely what the Swiss stakeholder EKZ has written, in particular their last
sentence “Additionally we feel the existing grid codes for FRR are sufficient and if
enforced adequately will render reserve mode less relevant or obsolete
altogether”. The second part of the standard response “FCR has the function of a
reserve of last resort…” must be removed.
Rationale: for avoidance of doubts it shall be introduced in the text which entity
the power generating facility owner shall provide technical evidence
demonstrating why a longer time is needed.
"In fact, in case FCR providing units or FCR providing groups with LERs should
have to compensate a possible lack of energy and hence a lack of FCR they shall
be able to shift FCR avtivation to providing units or providing groups with
unlimited energy reservoirs. In any case the shifting of FCR avtivation shall
guarantee continuity of the FCR provision. By the way the technical entities with
limited energy reservoirs of the FCR providing unit or FCR providing group shall
respect the minimum time period of FCR full activation according to art. 156(9),
156(10) and 156(11) of the SO GL. "
Rationale:
"SHIFTING CONCEPT"
it is appropriate to leave unchanged the previous technical specification and the
concept of the “shifting” of the FCR provision as it constitutes a reference for
assuring the LERs provision’s compliance to normal state opeartions. Please also
consider that this topic was appreciated during public consultation (e.g. by
NUVVE and SmartEn) and that the SAOA team’s responses do not foresee any
change in this regard.
"GUARANTEE OF CONTINUITY"
This additional requirement is appropriate to ensure FCR provision continuity.
Please also consider that this topic was not questioned during public
consultation.
Is it possible to provide some info how the factors 1.0364 and 1.96 are
calculated?
the table should take into account the entries and divisions set out in the A-7
methodology and documents related to it
LFC-Block Name and belonging LFC-Areas should match the names in the All-TSO
LFC-Block determination proposal. (e.g: AT)
According to the wording of Art. 128 SO GL, this agreement is not a "proposal"
and, in my opinion, does not require any approval from the NRAs. Nevertheless,
the document still talks about "proposal" and "approval" in certain places, what
seem to be copy-paste errors. Furthermore, what is problematic is that even the
SO GL is inconsistent and also speaks of a proposal in Art. 118 (1) (d) SO GL.
Nevertheless, we should standardize the wording in the document and only
speak - as in the title - of the CE TSOs agreement.
The Publication does not take place according to Art. 5 SOGL, as described in Art.
4 of the Agreement. As it is not a proposal, it shall be published in accordance
with Art. 8 para. 2 (b) SO GL. That should be corrected in any case.
The agreement itself lacks the provision that the determination of the values
takes place annually. It is mentioned in the preamble and then in the
Explanatory document, but that should be a rule of the contract itself, as
required in the SO GL.
to use the same TSO name in the table as for the proposal A-7
- It should be added that the target values are reevaluated every year based on
FCR obligation distribution.
- The methodology should be part of the main proposal (since this is the
methodology which should be approved not the results) and the way the results
are determined every year should be proposed.
- The table with the results should be updated and annexed every year,
otherwise we will have to vote on the entire policy every year for updating this
table.
For monitoring purpose, it should probably added the methodology for LFC
blocks with more than one LFC area. Should we publish one final table per LFC
area apliyng the distribution rule of the LFC block OA. In this case, each LFC area
will be monitored based on the same criteria. Or should we publish the table and
monitor it on LFC block level, in this case the way the LFC block assess the
criteria should be further described.
- It should be added that the target values are reevaluated every year based on
FCR obligation distribution.
- The methodology should be part of the main proposal (since this is the
methodology which should be approved not the results) and the way the results
are determined every year should be proposed.
- The table with the results should be updated and annexed every year,
otherwise we will have to vote on the entire policy every year for updating this
table.
Terna kindly observes that the methodology does not include the "long lasting
frequency deviations events" as operational situations resulting in an
underestimation while assessing the risk of exhaustion of FCR.
Rationale: the risk of energy exhaustion and the consequent lack of FCR
provision should be taken into account.
The list of tasks taken over by SGSF should be added for avoidance of doubt.
proposal to add "for avoidance of doubt, the ramping period shall apply to any
change of control program", or to list all the cases: market, countertrading,
cross-border redispatch, balancing program interchange, offset in case of
extraordinary procedure.
What is the reason to choose 200 sec. as upper limit for integral time constant?
Please to synchronize the explanation text about LFC Input in Table 1 with
explanations about formulae 1, 2 and 3 from Operation Modes of the Frequency
Restoration Controller.
Is the 1 minute window a part of the 15 minutes window ? Does the 1 minute
window contain the highest average ACE? Is the 15 minute window movimg and
what is it step (1 or 15 minutes)? Let to solve the following case for CE: all LFC
areas are balanced and the frequency is 50 Hz. The LFC time interval is 1 second.
At the instant t1 150 MW generation is lost in i-th area. The frequency will drop
with 150 / 28000 ≈ 5.4 mHz. Let the K factor for i-th area is 377 MW / Hz. The
ACE for this are will be -(-150 -377*5.4*e-3) ≈ 152 MW. Let to accept also for
simplicity the ACE moves from instant t1 with ACE = 152 MW to instant t2 = t1 +
15 min with ACE = 0 MW with linear change. The highest 1 minute average ACE
will be 152 - 152*4.5/900 = 151.24 MW. The 15 minute ACE will be 152/2=76
MW. The difference will be 75.24 MW, corresponding to the minimum required
amount of aFRR. Is this correct?
Let to solve a similar case for CE, but with negative ACE: all LFC areas are
balanced and the frequency is 50 Hz. At the instant t1 150 MW load is lost in i-th
area. The frequency will rise with 150 / 28000 ≈ 5.4 mHz. Let the K factor for i-th
area is 377 MW / Hz. The ACE for this are will be -(150 +377*5.4*e-3) ≈ -152
MW. Let to accept also for simplicity the ACE moves from instant t1 with ACE = -
152 MW to instant t2 = t1 + 15 min with ACE = 0 MW with linear change. The
lowest 1 minute average ACE will be -(152 - 0.76) = -151.24 MW. The 15 minute
average ACE will be -76 MW. The difference will be -75.24 MW, corresponding to
the minimum required amount of aFRR. Is this correct?
for consistency with B3, SGSF shall be replaced by "synchronous area monitor
according to B3"
formulas shall be aligned with variables defined in the table 1
Terna kindly request to align the suggested approach with the currently used
procedure. In particular, it's always the Coordination Centre to trigger Stage 2
and not single TSOs suggesting the Coordination Centre to trigger the Stage 2.
Furthermore, the contents of the Additional supplementing procedure for
activation of reserves for delayed retrofit TSOs are not reflected explicitly in the
Terna
SAFA. asks to we
Should change the sentence
consider "The Coordination
them included in the Stage 2?Centre shall record the
information…". In particular, substitute the word "record" with "take note" or
something similar. Otherwise the term "record" paves the way to many
interpretations.
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For TSOs taking part to the cross-border aFRR energy exchange, the ajusted ACE
taking into account the activations for cross-border purposes might not be
known in real-time. Moreover, this value might be a bit approximative
Is the duration of the trail phase included in the duration of the whole process?
Since the trial phase covers "All TSO .." and not "Each TSO", there is a real risk
that the trial phase will last a long time due to the still attaching TSO
We are asking for clarification regarding the reporting process: should any
individual TSO be reported? If so, see the previous note.
We are asking for clarification of exactly what Additional Process is. Is this a
process other than mentioned earlier?
Terna would like to point out that limiting to write "Operational Security Analysis
" is very generic. Therefore, we propose to better specify by listing what has to
be contained (at least a condensed description of the minimum contents).
The sentence is unclear. Affected TSO should be able to define limits for the
exchange and sharing of reserves of other LFC Areas/Blocks (mostly
neighbouring TSO of Affecting TSOs should declare themselves as Affected
TSOs) , since it's the exchange and sharing of reserves of other TSOs that has an
impact on the Affected TSO. Therefore, Terna asks to check if the proposed
formulation is valid.
The terms "new process proposal" are not clear. Is this referring only to
"Additional processes" as reported in rows 103-112 and 151-157 or is referring
also to processes as Imbalance Netting, Cross-border activation of reserves,
Exchange and Sharing of reserves?
For the sake of clarity, we kindly ask to clearly state that the new process
proposal in line 137 does not refer to Imbalance Netting, Cross-border activation
of reserves, Exchange and Sharing of reserves.
Terna would like to stress that with the establishment in the following years of
the European Platforms for the activation of reserves (aFRR, mFRR, RR) pursuant
to EB GL, the hot-stand-by-backup system should be foreseen for these
Platforms. Therefore we suggest to change the following sentence:
"A hot-stand-by-backup system must be available to take over the control
function in case of an outage or fault of the main system."
into
"A hot-stand-by-backup system must be available for all European Platform
performing a cross-border FRR and RR activation process, to take over the
control function in case of an outage or fault of the main system."
Terna would like to ask why TSOs "shall publish the requirements concerning the
availability, reliability and redundancy of the technical infrastructure proposal".
Unless an already existing obligation is force, we suggest not to publish such
sensible information and then to remove the lines from 119 to 121.
The text "Substitute measurements and reserve equipment shall be available in
parallel to the primary measurement and substitute measurements." is a
tightening of the requirements compared to the existing OH Policy 1 where
substitute measurements are obligatory for all TIE-LINES with significant impact
to SECONDARY CONTROL. Is this intentional and in any case feasible, eg. in case
of lower voltage tie-lines (< 110 kV)?
Furthermore the meaning of "...available in parallel to the primary measurement
and substitute measurement" is unclear. Does that mean it is required to have a
primary measurement with a substitute measurment and reserve equipment
and a further substitute measurement also with primary and subtitute
measurement and reserve equipment?
I propose to delete "and substitute measurements" at the end of the sentence
to avoid misunderstandings.
the sentence is not clear. Maybe to split the sentence into two phrases:
All common rules for the operation in Normal State and Alert State reflect the
target of load-frequency-control to reduce frequency deviations. Those rules
refer to the operational procedures to reduce frequency deviation according to
B-9 Operational Procedures to Reduce Frequency Deviation.
I didn't find the word "compensation" about the providing synchronous area
neither in 173(3), nor in 153. Could you please to comment what has to be
compensated (is this some back-up process)?
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Comment / Clarification / Justification
SO GL and GL SO can and have both be used vice versa. NRAs did not ask to change SO GL
into GL SO for already submitted proposals, so the drafting team also stays with SO GL in this
project
“FCR has the function of a reserve of last resort…" has been removed.
The expression "electricity consumption" is used in the Entso-e web, and used by the Data
Expert Group, and published in the Power Statistic web.
The mentioned text (SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING FCR DIMENSIONING RULES PROPOSAL TO ALL
REGULATORY AUTHORITIES:) was provided in the original template (and is common for all
the rest A articles), if the legal team considers necessary can be changed, however, be aware
that article A7 has been already sent to the NRAs.
Suggestion accepted
Suggestion accepted
Suggestion accepted, "in fact" will be deleted
Suggestion accepted
Acknowledged
Adjusted
The distribution of FRCE quality target parameters of LFC blocks to the LFC areas is a part of
the LFC block operational agreement. Article 118 (1d) of SO GL requires only the definition of
these parameters on LFC block level.
The comment was discussed with the respresentative in drafting team from Elia. Drafting
Team conculded that Article 128 (1) of SO GL requires to specify the values for the
FRCEquality target parameters.
Several studies were performed by the SG SF, evaluating not only the suitability of this
methodology, but also the sensibility of the input data.
The fully study can be found in the following link in the Entso-e SharePoint .
https://extra.entsoe.eu/SOC/SF/_layouts/15/WopiFrame.aspx?sourcedoc=/SOC/SF/Shared
%20Documents/171122_TOP_9.1_FCR.pptx&action=default
Long lasting frequency deviations were not explicitily mentioned in the wording, but indeed
they are implicity considered in the model, as the real distribution of frequency deviation is
used.
This methodology assumes a correct deployement of FRR, so after an imbalance (for
instance, due to the trip of a generator, changes in demand, or in renewables) the FRR shall
take over the FCR in 15 minutes (Time to restore frequency), which is the minimum possible
values of the availability for LER units.
This hypothesis is essential, and we have to reflect it somehow, as otherwise we are
transferring cost to the FCR units.
Adittionally, in the case of long lasting frequency deviations, in order to consider the
contribution of LER, would be necessary:
1º) to estimate the % of LER in the system (agreed on this values is difficult, and has
a high impact on the final result).
2º) to add possible remedial actions as defined in the Extraordinary procedure.
Modelling both variables is complicated (specially remedial actions), and an error in the their
estimation could lead to wrong results.
Finally, SG SF after long discussions agreed on not consider the effect of LER.
The question on a potential improvement of the methodology (e.g. incl. LER in the context of
long lasting frequency deviations) will be raised again in the SG SF. As of now the according
methodology experts from SG SF concluded that the methodology can't be improved even
further. The answer and the action related to the comment in row 72 cannot be accpted by
Terna
Done
The list of tasks is regularly being specified between the synchronous area monitor and SG SF
on request and should not therefore not be predefined. An according precision has been
added to the article
These are typical values for indication. It should not be considered as upper limit for integral
time constant.
The value of 200 sec. is coming from the former Policy 1.
intention was not to rediscuss theses values and keep it exactly the same from former Policy
1.
Answer is No. the distribution should be on 1min resolution and not on 15min resolution.
Clarification was added to the document:
it is about calculatin the difference per minutes, of the 1min-average of ACEol and the 15min
average of ACEol of the corresponding quarter of hour.
Definition of quarter of hour is the same as for the FCR risk methodology
see comment 32
clarification was added to the text with a footnote added to the figure about the mandatory
arrow
see comment 35
see comment 36
sensible suggestion.
sensible suggestion.
Reference to Art. 152(13) deleted as this is not an obligation in context of Art 118(1)(n). The
threshold itself will be kept as it is only used in combination with declared alert state as
indication of the potential impacting TSO
there was a request to allow for a direct trigger in case of emergency; the procedure
concering delayed retrofit was explicitly requested to be not included in B-9 but just implicitly
as part of “Activation of additional mFRR or RR” (due to all this discussions and different
views on the procedure…). Nevertheless, current formulation allows to activate the
supplementary procedure under Stage 2 and should therefore be in line with Terna’s view
"record" replaced by "take note"
done
yes, this is a process other than mentioned earlier. Every new process with cross-border
relevance should have been notified to CSO as current practice before implementation
Solution found via bilateral agreeement between Terna and Bernard. No change in article.
Formulation of MLA OH was used. Measurement requirements have been precised.
Good proposal. The sentence online 76-77 was modified as follows: "For each LFC Area of CE
synchronous Area, the related TSO shall have frequency measurements from at least two
different geographical locations available within this LFC Area."
suggestion implemented
Formulation was missleading and has been adjusted according to wording in article 173(3)
Change in Article Status Article Owner
No done all
no done all
RTE; 15
50Hertz;
# comments
Elia; 8 ESO; 8
Swissgrid; 2
PSE; 4
RTE; 15
Terna; 14
50Hertz; 5 VUEN; 4