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How to Use the Resonance
of Heart, Mind & Planet for
Healing
Rollin McCraty, PhD
Dr. Ewers: Welcome back to the Vibration Healing
Summit, everybody. I’m Dr. Keesha Ewers, and I’m
so happy to bring you Dr. Rollin McCraty, who’s
a director of research at the HeartMath Institute.
He’s a professor at Florida Atlantic University and
a psychophysiologist whose interests include the
physiology of emotion.
One of his primary areas of focus is the
mechanism by which emotions influence cognitive
processes, behavior, health, and the global
interconnectivity between people and Earth’s
energetic systems.
He’s been with HeartMath Institute since its
founding in 1991 by Doc Childre. His critical
research on heart rate variability and heart-
rhythm coherence has gained international
attention in the scientific community and is
helping to change long health perceptions about
the heart’s role in health, behavior, performance,
and quality of life. Welcome to the summit, Dr.
McCraty.
Dr. McCraty: Hi, Keesha. Great to be here. Thanks
for inviting me.
Dr. Ewers: Yeah. So the conversation that when
we start talking about healing with vibrations,
what is it that you think of when you hear that?
Dr. McCraty: Well, boy, I could go so many
ways with that question, but probably the most
important thing is what I tend to call our energetic
body, our energetic level. From my perspective,
that’s what runs the show even at the physical
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level. And the most important aspect of that is
the, well, I’m going to call it the vibrations since
that’s the name of our summit because it literally
is both physiologically and in our energetic
systems our emotions.
And that might surprise people that I say that
because most people think, well, change your
thoughts, that changes everything and all this
stuff.
Dr. Ewers: All about mindset.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. And well, there’s some truth
to that, but it’s really the emotions that run the
show. Now that’s so easy to show here in the lab.
We’ve done this for 30 years.
I mean, we can have you wired up to all the
brain wavy stuff and your electrocardiogram and
hormones and biochemicals, all the stuff, immune
markers, all the stuff we’ve done over the years.
And stress you out and do cognitive tasks and
make you subtract numbers in your head and all
that, and we see some changes, of course.
But once you trigger an emotion, big changes
happen in our body, in our nervous system, in our
hormonal system, et cetera. So it is really is the
emotions that physiologically in our bodies run
the show. In fact, we don’t have time to go into all
the what be got watch here.
But when we are interacting with people or just
navigating life and through the world, it’s the
emotional responses we have to interactions
and all the things we’re perceiving that actually
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happen first before thoughts occur. So emotions
are very fast. And a lot of times, our thoughts
are really trying to sort out and justify what we
already felt.
Dr. Ewers: Making meaning about the feeling,
right?
Dr. McCraty: Labeling them and all this stuff. So
vibrationally, I would say getting a handle on our
emotional diet and being more self-empowered,
more able to really self-regulate our emotional
diet, the vibrations of our emotions, would
be probably the most important thing for the
majority of people.
Dr. Ewers: Back in 5,000, 10,000 years ago,
there are a couple of different time periods for
Ayurvedic medicine, the sister science of yoga. In
India, they said autoimmune disease is undigested
emotions. So when you say a diet of emotions, I’m
curious about the term there.
Dr. McCraty: Well, I just say our emotional diet,
that’s kind of a play on.
Dr. Ewers: I like it. Yeah.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. Well, because it’s really true.
I mean, people that start getting on the path to
better health and wellness and all that, I mean,
one of the first things is start reading labels on
food packages and vitamins. And so what I’m
suggesting here is if we spent a tenth of the
energy we put into that stuff on our emotions, we
would have probably a hundred times the payoff.
Dr. Ewers: Yeah. We have the watches everyone’s
wearing now to get data about their sleep and
about how many steps they’re taking, and how
many calories they’re expending. And you’re
absolutely right. Just a small fraction and
percentage to what’s the feeling, what’s the
emotion that’s being generated when I have this
thought, or this thought came from this emotion.
What’s that?
Dr. McCraty: And how’s that affecting the energy
systems in my body. I mean, you can think of--
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well, I tend to view it through an energy model
because we are energy systems, and we really
are. And so it’s really how are we managing
our energy? How are we expending the energy
that we have and how are we recovering it,
and how intelligent are we about those energy
expenditures?
And this is where people can have a computer
read out at the end of the day on their energy
expenditures, mental, emotional, physical. They’d
be shocked to see how much energy we waste in
our emotional domain.
And then once you start to realize that’s the
energy that my system could have been using for
healing, regeneration, for growth, for navigating
the world with more ease, more grace, and
ease through my day to day life, then you start
understanding how our vibrational world is really
the key to not only our physical health but our
success in life, our enjoyment. I mean, anyway,
don’t get me too started here.
Dr. Ewers: That’s what I’m trying to do is get
you started. I believe it was sometime in the
1990s when I went through one of your very first
training cohorts for certification in HeartMath.
And I think it was there that I learned this formula,
and maybe that’s not right. I’m trying to place it,
but I think it was that for every five minutes you’re
emotionally upset, it takes your body eight hours
to recover.
Dr. McCraty: I know the study you’re talking
about. That was one our studies back in the 90s
on immune function, looking at the first line
of defense and immunity. And what that study
showed-- God, it’s hard to remember. I haven’t
thought about that in a long time, that study,
Dr. Ewers: That formula made a big difference. It
was sort of like sitting in a medical conference and
hearing that we have a hundred trillion microbes
in our gut and thinking, oh my gosh, we’re not the
host. They are. They outnumber us by 10 to 1. It
was one of those moments where I went for every
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five minutes I’ve been upset, it’s taken my body
eight hours. I am in solid debt to my body. Like
just thinking, oh my gosh, it was mind-blowing.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. In that study, that was just
self recalled anger and frustration and anger in
that particular study you’re talking about for five
minutes, and that had a depletion of our first
line of defense in the immune system. That was
exactly right, eight hours significant. You saw the
big curve, and then it started coming back up and
didn’t get back to baseline until about eight hours
later.
Dr. Ewers: Which brings us back to the Ayurvedic
axiom from 10,000 years ago, autoimmunity is
undigested anger.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. And even if it’s digested, it still
has the same effect. Right. I mean, now you’re just
to play off those words a little bit. I mean, most of
us know that when we get angry and upset, for a
lot of people anyway, I would say is what I call the
under-the-radar emotions because they’ve just
become so familiar, oh, it’s just being human.
So these are the things like those irritations. In
patients, it is a huge one. Just getting a handle on
even recognizing impatience. And transforming
that could transform the vibrational lives of
so many people. Just that, but they’ve come
so familiar that we don’t even recognize them
anymore.
Dr. Ewers: It’s my personality.
Dr. McCraty: Well, yeah.
Dr. Ewers: It’s just how I am. Yeah. That’s what
people will say to me anyway, or I can can’t
meditate. I mean, how often have you heard that
before?
Dr. McCraty: Right. I don’t have time to learn this
stuff for stress. I’m too stressed out to deal with it.
Right.
Dr. Ewers: Exactly. And then when I have
someone sitting across my desk that starts to cry
when I give a very simple interventional practice
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to do, I’ll say, this is why you’re here because
they’ll cry because they say, do you know how
much I have to do in a day? I cannot get one more
thing in my day.
And it’s just like the irony of that. That’s our
culture. We’re so achievement-oriented,
productivity-oriented that that is king. And this
piece that we’re talking about right now just really
sometimes doesn’t even take a back seat. It’s not
even in the car.
Dr. McCraty: Right. Exactly. I might use that. I like
that. Yeah.
Dr. Ewers: One of the things that, the words
that, and forgive me if I’m wrong on this, but
that I attribute to HeartMath and the research,
like tons of research that you have really helped
bring out into the world for us, is this word called
coherence.
And I would love to have you explain coherence
because it’s a really nice way for people to
remember am I in coherence, or am I out of
coherence? And just that check-in. Have I gained
five pounds from eating what I ate yesterday and
not running? Like, ask the other question too? Am
I in coherence or out of coherence?
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Dr. McCraty: Well, of course, we didn’t invent the
word coherence, but how we apply it, it is kind
of unique, I think, to the way we did it. So if you
look up coherence, let’s just talk about what that
means a little bit. I think a lot of people have an
intuitive sense of it, but it kind of helps to pin it
down a little bit.
And it’s a big umbrella term in a way, but if you
look it up in the dictionary, first definition has
to do with the quality of someone’s speech, the
sentences they’re writing. So hopefully, we’re
putting our words together today in a way that
conveys a coherent meaning. And if we’d had a
little bit too much to drink, partied last night, and
I’m uttering nonsense, kind of common in our
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language, well, God, they’re incoherent, right?
So it’s very similar actually in physics, and
coherence is a concept that every branch of
science it would be a major concept in. And so
coherence has to do typically with describing the
behavior of complex systems—all of the parts
of a system working together in a harmonious
way. That’s kind of what coherence means in a
coherent system, all of the sub-parts.
Now embedded in that are a couple of important
things. One is energy efficiency. So the system is
utilizing energy in the most efficient possible way.
So in an incoherent system, we’re wasting a lot of
energy.
Now, another important concept embedded
within that term in science and physics is that the
wholeness or the output of the system is greater
than the sum of the parts. Just like we put a
sentence together, the meaning it conveys is way
past the individual words. So I hope that makes
sense. So we use the term--
Dr. Ewers: You’re very coherent.
Dr. McCraty: Thank you. So we can talk about
how coherent are the systems in our body, for
example. Okay. And that’s a lot of what we spent
years measuring and defining and all of that. Now
we can take it to another level of what we call
personal coherence. And so yes, when we’re in
this optimal state that we call coherence, which
is reflected in the rhythms of our heart—by the
way, is one of the best ways to measure this. A
lot of the hormonal system, our immune system,
our nervous system, the communication between
the heart and brain are all literally measurably
increasing their energetic coordination and
synchronization. So it’s a much more energy-
efficient system.
But there’s an, even more, deeper level that we’re
talking about when we say personal coherence, so
that it really has to do with the alignment between
our emotions, our mind emotions, and really
the energetic heart. I know that can take us off a
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whole other pathway, but that’s really what that
means. Now let me, if I may, just kind of--
Dr. Ewers: We’re going to put a pin in the
energetic heart. We will come back to it. Yeah.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. Okay. All right. Great. So
I’ll try and give you an example. Maybe our
listeners to think back over the past few days,
week, whatever, has something come up where
somebody might have asked you to do something,
or you had the mind, thought I want so and so or
I should do so and so. But you had a deeper inner
feeling or sense that that probably isn’t really the
best thing to do, or it could be the opposite.
You might have had, I don’t know, said something
to someone that may be caused some hurt
feelings or created a separation or something.
And you had that deeper inner sense I really
ought go to talk to them or call them and clean
that up and clear that, so it doesn’t create that,
but we don’t do it. You know what I’m talking
about?
Dr. Ewers: I do.
Dr. McCraty: So that’s that separation or that
lack of alignment between our deeper heart’s
intuition, our guidance, and the mind. And I’m
really suggesting here that that’s the biggest
unrecognized source of stress of humanity. And
so personal coherence is really when we can bring
those two systems into better deeper alignment.
Dr. Ewers: People seem to think that the-- in the
mountains in Peru, I learned this like they think
about like your mind, your brain is here, which
they think of as the seed of the mind and then--
Dr. McCraty: It is, yeah.
Dr. Ewers: Right. And then the trunk of the tree
comes here, and then there are roots in your
heart. And that if you have a thought, they don’t
say out of coherence, is not coherent with another
being or yourself. But they’ll say a thought that’s
unripe that brings sadness, suffering, guilt, pain,
resentment, bitterness, fatigue.
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You then keep the fruit on that tree, which the
fruit is the thought. And then you drop down into
your heart center, and you drop more nutrients
from your heart to ripen the thought until it’s in
a space of what they would say coherence. And
I love that because the imagery is exactly what
you’re pointing to if I’m right about that. That
you want to really get your heart and your mind
to work together and not be so-- we’re so brain
dominant in our culture.
Dr. McCraty: But look at what that’s led us to. All
the separation and the polarization and what I
know, and the strong biases and opinions.
Dr. Ewers: But if you drop back into your heart,
and then we can start talking about energetic
heart, what is the fruit on your tree? Is it ripe?
Is it sweet? Is it compassionate? Is it loving? Is
it open, you know? Or is it bitter? And so then
dropping back into your heart center to draw the
nourishment from there, which brings you into
coherence.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. And we can say nourishment,
which is certainly true. And we can also talk about
intelligence.
Dr. Ewers: Yes. Heart intelligence.
Dr. McCraty: Heart intelligence.
Dr. Ewers: So what do you mean by energetic
heart?
Dr. McCraty: Well, what I’m suggesting here is
that we have the physical heart, and then just like
we have a brain, physical brain. So you can think
of the energetic heart as the mind of the heart,
but it’s not. I shouldn’t use that term. I’m just
trying to give an analogy.
Dr. Ewers: I like you to use that term because
actually, when you said the brain is the seat of the
mind, there are other ways of thinking about that.
Like the body has its own intelligence.
Dr. McCraty: And that’s all true, and I would agree
with that, but I’m really saying that we have the
physical heart, but then we have the energetic
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heart. Energetic heart is a very-- I’m saying it’s real.
It’s not some metaphor or some thing just like
the mind is real. But the energetic heart has real
structure. It’s just in another dimension of density,
probably the simplest way I could say it.
And the energetic heart is the bridge, probably the
simplest word I could use, to our vibrational self,
which is real also and exists in another dimension
in that we can’t put it under a microscope. You
can’t put a thought under a microscope or an
intuition or an emotion. I mean, we can look at
physiological correlations, things that co-vary
with those. So anyway, the energetic heart would
be that bridge to what different cultures have
different words for it.
Your higher self, your spirit. Some people might
use the word God, whatever. But we here at
HeartMath, we just call it your larger self to try
and take spiritual or religious kind of connotations
out of this because I’m saying this is literally
how we are wired. And when we get into heart
coherence, that opens that communication
pathway to the higher and to our energetic body
itself that is operated in another domain or
dimension of intelligence.
And it’s actually what guides and gives rise to
even what we look like and who we are. And so
the philosophers and all of-- well, I’d say it this
way. One of our past directors of our education
division here at HeartMath had three Ph.D.’s in
literature and retired from UCLA as a professor,
and he’s still teaching now. And one of his
passions was the study of world religions. And
what he was very clear on, which I didn’t quite
know to the depth of this until he explained it to
me. But by far, the most common characteristic
or commonality across all religions is the idea that
the heart isn’t just a pump. That it’s the gateway
to high wisdom, to intuition, to courage, all the
different type things. So they’ve been--
Dr. Ewers: The crucible where you and the divine
can meet and mix. Yeah. There are a lot of terms
for that.
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Dr. McCraty: They’ve been right all along. They
may not practice that, but at least some of the
older teachings. Now, some of our-- I’m going to
kind of guess where you might ask me to go next,
and I’m just going to go ahead and go there. So
scientific evidence for this comes from a series
of studies. We did this back also the late 90s, and
the early 2000s was on the electrophysiology, a
column of intuition.
So one of the things we heard most from people
that practiced the things like you learn back then,
the HeartMath skill-sets, and started getting more
coherent, self-regulating their emotions and all
that was that their intuitions are on steroids. I
mean, a radical shift. It is noticeable. It got their
attention. And second thing we usually say now
synchronicities are occurring.
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It’s a way of life now, which is really because
of intuition from my perspective. Anyway, we
decided to see if we could actually research this
and going into all the gory details because that’s
all published and available on our website and our
research library. But basically, through a series
of studies which have all been independently
confirmed and by the way now, is that the heart
responds to future events before any other
physical system in the body.
And sends a measurably different neural signal to
the brain, and you get a brain response all before
the future event happens, research paradigm.
Then you get a body response where it becomes
a conscious feeling if you’re paying attention. Like
the gut feeling, the hair on the back of the neck.
So the gut gets the credit, the gut feeling, but the
real sequence is heart, brain, body-conscious
perception.
And then those studies also showed that when
we’re in a heart coherent state, this optimal state
where everything gets in sync, that that channel
is significantly more opened up. And you see a
much greater modulation of the prefrontal cortex
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from the activity of the heart, the pre-alert, just to
these future events. So that was a lab paradigm to
actually show this in a way.
Keesha, I got those original studies published in
peer-reviewed scientific journals. I was to talk
about the heart as the part-- I think close to my
exact words were the heart appears to have
access to a field of information that operates
outside the boundaries of time and space.
Perfectly acceptable language for scientific
journals at that time.
But to what am I really talking about? Well, I’m
really talking about the energetic heart there,
even though at that time, the 90s-- well, I’m a lot
more open about saying what I really know that to
be now. So anyway, that was some of the scientific
grounding of what we’re talking about.
Dr. Ewers: It’s so exciting that science can start
showing what some of these other like you said,
paradigms of spiritual paths have been saying.
Now, one of the things that Ayurvedic medicine
says is that you have your physical self, then you
have energy body. Then you have your emotional
body, which tied to that physical body, and then
through your electrical system, your energy.
And then you have a higher self, and then you
have this access to what Carl Jung would call
the collective unconscious. They call it you’re in
anandamaya kosha, bliss qi, where there’s just
joy. And that if you’re toxic in that emotional layer,
then that impacts energetically how you are going
to be manifesting your genetics and how your
organs are working and all of that. So you’ll be
either coherent or out of coherence.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. I’m very familiar with the
model you’re talking about. I studied it back in
the--
Dr. Ewers: Well, where I’m going with it is that
energetic heart, how does that then work with
bumping up with everyone else’s energetic heart?
Dr. McCraty: Well, okay. So we all have our own
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energetic hearts. That’s our bridge to us, to our
higher systems. It’s not some big one mesh of
things. It’s actually our undivided wholeness. We
have both sides of this. Now I can answer that
on a couple of levels. Let’s talk about down here
on Earth first in our physical bodies and the 3D
reality that we live in.
Whenever the hearts beats, we can put electrodes
on the body and measure the electrocardiogram.
So what you are literally measuring when we do
that or brain waves is current flow. It’s electricity,
literally electricity, the flow of current.
Now, whenever we have flow of current, this is
basic physics 101, any current flow produces a
magnetic field. Okay. So electric and magnetic
fields are two very different things. So the
electrodes you put on across your chest or on
your head, or wherever on the body, aren’t
measuring the magnetic component. They’re only
measuring the current flow.
So to measure the magnetic aspect, we use a
different device call a magnetometer. And so
whatever time the heart beats, we literally radiate
a magnetic field out into the space around us. So
I’m not necessarily talking about an aura here.
This is something I can measure here in the lab
quite reliably. So every time us animals, whatever,
have a heartbeat, we are radiating this magnetic
field.
And with the sensitivity of today’s instruments,
if you keep backing it up, backing it up from the
body, you lose detection of the signal about three
feet from the heart. A brain wave you lose that
detection about an inch away from the head. So
clearly, the heart is the big player when we’re
talking energetics now here in the energetic fields.
Now some of our earlier studies showed that.
By the way, I’m an ex-communication engineer. I
used to work with Motorola. So something I knew
of coming into my newer job 30-some years ago
as a psychophysiologist kind of helped because
I understand a lot about magnetic fields and
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how we use them to carry information. So using
this almost exactly the same kind of techniques
we would use to decode the information being
carried by the field that our cell phone puts out.
And by the way, it’s the magnetic component why
cell phones work indoors. Magnetic fields go right
through things. That’s why if you don’t believe me,
quit using your phone, indoors anyway.
So our bodies work the same way. The magnetic
field is carrying information and using the same
techniques we would use to decode your voice or
whatever from a cell phone call or a radio station,
whatever. We apply those to the field of the heart,
the magnetic field, and lo and behold, it was
surprisingly easy to do back then.
This is, again, going back to the mid-90s,
somewhere in there. We were able to show that
the magnetic field of the heart is literally carrying,
I’ll call them, information patterns that reflect our
emotional state. So just by looking at the patterns
in the field, we can tell with about 75% accuracy
what somebody’s emotion is, even if they’re not
conscious of it. Does that make sense? So we are
broadcasting--
Dr. Ewers: Our emotions.
Dr. McCraty: Our emotions. Now probably many
other things.
Dr. Ewers: Three feet out.
Dr. McCraty: Well, the three feet is the
measurement. No, it goes way farther than three.
Dr. Ewers: Okay.
Dr. McCraty: That’s the sensitivity of the
instrument.
Dr. Ewers: Oh, okay.
Dr. McCraty: Magnetic fields is they fall off in
magnitude with distance. So the next question
then, and again, I’m going to go dig way back
here in our research path, was okay, well, that’s
neat. So what? Do our nervous systems like big
antennas, would be kind of the way to think
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of this, that are receiving and decoding the
information in those fields?
And that was also surprisingly easy to do. So not
only are we broadcasting, we are receiving, and
biological systems, as it turns out, are exquisitely
tuned into the fields that we generate. So to make
a very long story-- Well, not that long. Long story
short, not only are we broadcasting information,
but we’re also receiving it from others, and our
nervous systems are very tuned into that.
So it didn’t take long to be able to show that the
quality of the vibrations, and in this case, we’re
literally talking about vibrations, vibrational
information, is detected by others and can have
measurable effects on their physiology.
So long story short here, whenever we’re in
dialogue, certainly in proximity with someone,
there is a literal, measurable, energetic
communication that is going on between
people or within groups that we are at least
unconsciously—some people are more conscious
of it—able to detect and understand that
information. For most people, it’s unconscious,
but it’s still biasing, if you will, our perceptions of
others and how we feel about them.
God, it was just a couple of weeks ago, I was
watching a conversation go on between two
people. You could tell they weren’t quite in sync
and actually watch this happen where someone
would say something, I forget exactly what they
were-- it didn’t matter what the words were.
And it was pretty clean. It was a very clean
communication of what they were saying.
And what the other person was hearing and
feeding back had nothing to do with what they
were saying. They were picking up the information
in their field. And so it creates this big mess
in communication when we’re vibrating-- one
thing, maybe we just got a phone call with some
information that really is upset, and we’re having
another conversation about something else
entirely with someone else.
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Dr. Ewers: It muddies it up.
Dr. McCraty: You’re right. So our energetic
information doesn’t match what’s being said, so it
creates this miscommunication.
Dr. Ewers: That’s so interesting. And then that
exchange, can that happen through Zoom?
Because now we live so much of our lives in
conversations in this way.
Dr. McCraty: Certainly through the emotional
cues and things we do. Facial tones and voice
is a huge one—body language and so on. And
whether the local field energetics are the same
degree may be because actually, this is very
current research looking at non-- well, last couple
of years we’ve been really starting now to look
into what we call social coherence and global
coherence. I know you want to talk about a little
bit as well here.
Dr. Ewers: Social is the next step. So let’s go for
it. We’re going from microcosm of the exchange
of the coherence and the information between
microbes and cells.
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Dr. McCraty: That’s our personal physiological
coherence.
Dr. Ewers: Right. The systems in the body, the
immune system, your thoughts with the immune
system. And if you’re out of coherence, this can
cause disease. So now we go into social.
Dr. McCraty: So it’s social with how coherent are
the relationships and the energetic exchanges
amongst the units that make up a team or a
family or a larger group. Okay. Same concept.
Now just at another level of scale. And as I
just explained, there’s a literal energetic field
interaction that’s going on certainly in the same
room or house going on.
So we’ve been looking at the synchronization
that occurs literally between the heart rhythms
of individuals, and it’s kind of an amazing
degree of synchronization that goes on far past
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what I would’ve ever thought possible. That’s
naturally going on. Now when we’re coherent,
that can significantly increase, which directly
then translates to better communication, more
cooperation, collaboration within the group, the
team to get along better, basically.
Kind of have more compassionate latitude for
each other. And as we increase our personal
vibration, that translates into a higher vibration
within the group or the team or okay. But where I
really wanted to get to what the newest research
is showing is that can occur non-locally.
I’ve got a slide here just right now. I’ve been
showing it in another presentation with an
amazing degree of synchronization. And this case,
it was between a husband and wife, 5,000 miles
apart. So maybe it is happening.
Dr. Ewers: In the 70s, we were doing that with
people in different rooms. Now we’re saying 5,000
miles apart, which is amazing.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. So there has to be some type
of an energetic communication going on there
because one of the aspects of coherence for
harmony or synchronization or cooperative action
to occur, there has to be communication, some
way. Some kind of signal.
Like you and I are talking. Now we can see each
other as an obvious. If we’re talking 5,000 miles
apart and we’re not connected by Zoom or phone,
and you still see it going on, well, what’s that
connection? So that’s kind of what moves us then
into the global coherence space that I think you
might have wanted to talk about.
Dr. Ewers: I do want to. Before we leave social,
though, I ended that if you’re not in coherence
with your systems physiologically, that can lead
to disease. But so can, I know in my research with
female sexual desire, one of the things that will
sink libido in a woman fastest is dissatisfaction in
her romantic relationship.
Dr. McCraty: Sure.
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Dr. Ewers: And you can think about like disease,
hypertension, migraines, like all of the physical
somatic things that will happen when you have
unhappiness, and you are incoherent in your
social relationships. And we can see that with the
pandemic, too, right?
Yeah. So ending this layer, too, with the same
thought that if we’re not in coherence, then it’s
going to show up. And one of the things about,
well, as we move to global, I always think about us
as an autoimmune disease for the planet. We’re
not in coherence with our planet either. And we
have all this-- ourselves as a result of messing up
our own nest.
Dr. McCraty: So right now we have a lot of, you
could think of it as social disease, which manifest
as separation. We can’t get along. We can’t rise
above our own biases.
Dr. Ewers: Strongly held opinions.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. That a lot of times are based
on past histories, hand-me-down histories,
and not even accurate. And even if they are, so
what? What’s more important? Getting along
with others, or I mean, I used to say-- I’ll give you
an example I think how prevalent this is that I’d
read this and I couldn’t for a lot of years couldn’t
actually track down the real source of it.
But used to say that with 10% of the world’s
military budget, what we spend on war, that every
man, woman on Earth could be fed, housed, have
clean water, and educated. I was wrong. I actually
met the person. I became friends with her, who
actually did the real math on this, but actually,
she’s been nominated for a couple of Nobel
Prizes.
And wrote the book, The Economics of Peace. I was
wrong because it’s far less than 10% of what we
spend on war and bombs. And everybody could
be fed, housed, and educated. If we just did that,
that would eliminate most of the reason that we
have all this stuff.

Dr. Ewers: We have to come back to that very
simple statement. Would you rather be happy or
right?
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. So anyway, where do you
want to go next?
Dr. Ewers: The global coherence.
Dr. McCraty: Well, okay. We take the same
concepts of coherence. And we were not going to
get to global coherence without social coherence,
by the way. So in our work on the global
coherence, we have a project called the global
coherence initiative, and we are actually also now
in the process of becoming the new home for
what’s called the global consciousness project.
That’s all kind of be under one roof. I don’t know if
you’re familiar with that or not.
But with the GCI of the Global Coherence
Initiative, it’s ultimately the study of the energetic
or the vibrational connection between humanity
and the Earth’s energetic systems. So I know we
don’t have a lot of time left, but to make a long
story short, we’ve installed a network of time-
synchronized ultrasensitive magnetometers
around the Earth.
So we’ve got sites and places like Lithuania,
Northern Canada, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, and
New Zealand. I’m forgetting some here, but you
get the sense of globally distributed system of
these magnetometers, some of the most sensitive
in the world designed specifically to measure the
vibrations in the earth fields, the magnetic fields
of the Earth.
And I’m going to try and say this coherently.
There are two main earth scale magnetic rhythms
and vibrations that are very relevant for us, for
our health, for even our mental and emotional
states. You think of it like, yes, we live in a sea of
magnetic fields. As it turns out, they are resonant.
They resonantly couple with us. So, okay. So let’s
take the first one. So if you think of the Earth, I
used to have a little prop here, a little earth.
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Dr. Ewers: You got it behind you.
Dr. McCraty: Well, that’s a big one, but I used
have a little one I could hold up here, but this is
where a picture is worth a thousand words, but
most people know what the geomagnetic field
is or the geomagnetic of the Earth, the magnetic
field, the north, and south pole.
And so you can kind of think of that, even though
it’s not really this way, it’s a giant bar magnet
in the center of the Earth like you stick on your
refrigerators, a north pole and a south pole, a
pretty strong magnet. So those fields radiate out
into space, many thousands of miles. And thank
God because that’s the magnetic field that shields
Earth from the solar wind and a lot of the stuff
that if it weren’t there, we would not exist.
Earth would turn into Mars very quickly without
a magnetic field. So it’s what protects us from
the atmosphere being blown away, and all the
water would disappear relatively quickly without
this. So if you think back to when you were in
science class, back in, I don’t know, grade school
or whatever, we got to do it, and you dump iron
filings on a glass plate. You stick your magnet
under it. And they all kind of dance around.
We used to have a little fun doing that, of course.
And obviously, those iron filings lined up in a way
that showed you the shape of the magnetic field,
whatever type magnet you had, whether it was
a ball or a bar or a horseshoe or whatever. But
more specifically, if you remember, the iron filings
line up in line. It wasn’t just kind of homogeneous
black blob. They’re very specific lines, and those
are called magnetic field lines.
So it’s letting us visualize and actually see these
things that way. Well, here’s the thing they didn’t
teach at least in my class this back then, but
magnetic field lines are very similar to a guitar or
any stringed instrument. You can actually pluck
them, and they vibrate. Right. So now imagine
Earth and these giant field lines, which are very
long and just like a guitar, the length of the

string and the tension on it changes its resonant
frequency or what node it vibrates at.
Okay. So do you want to talk about vibrational
medicine and healing? Right. Well, we live in a
giant vibrating magnetic system. Now what’s
plucking the strings of the magnetic field lines
of Earth is the solar wind rushing by. So Earth
is turning. So is the sun. And the solar wind is
actually strong enough that it pushes in the
field on the daytime side and stretches it out on
nighttime side. We didn’t learn that back in our
sciences and stuff.
So the field lines are vibrating. Now one of
the primary resonant frequencies, and they’re
technically called field line resonances. It’s actually
what they’re called is a frequency in frequency
language of 0.1 Hertz. Okay. That’s a rhythm
of one cycle every 10 seconds in time domain
language. Why do we care? Well, as it turns out,
that is exactly the same frequency as the human
heart rhythm when we’re in a coherent state.
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Okay. So pretty amazing, huh? Now, the second
magnetic set of rhythms are completely different
mechanism, and a lot of people mangle this
and get it confused is are called Schumann
resonances.
And Schumann resonances there is a lot of
misunderstanding out there in social media in
the last few years. But Schumann resonances are
magnetic waves that are traveling around the
surface of the Earth that are trapped in a cavity
between the top of the surface of the Earth and
the bottom of what’s called the ionosphere.
So if you think of the ionosphere, it is a big soap
bubble around the planet. It’s this highly ionized
layer of gas called plasma. And plasma have a lot
of special properties. It’s actually called the fourth
state of matter in physics. Now one of those
properties is they’re like a mirror to magnetic
fields waves.
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They bounce off of it. Okay. So this is why ham
radio operators they send a radio signal up, and
it bounces off the ionosphere, and they talk to
somebody on the other side of the world this
way. So any magnetic wave that gets created in
this cavity, if it literally fits the geometry, so that
they become reinforcing waves. They amplify, and
technically it’s called globally propagating standing
waves.
This means they’re everywhere all the time. If
they don’t fit the geometry, they quickly dissipate
and go away. So the frequency of the Schumann
resonances, and there’s eight of them. A lot of
people get this confused as well. Think there’s just
one. The first frequency is 7.83 Hertz. Now you
probably recognize that as one of our brainwave
frequencies in the low alpha region, or it’s really
right in that threshold between alpha and theta.
Okay. But all eight Schumann resonances overlap
with our brainwaves. Okay. So the two main
vibrational systems of Earth are vibrating at the
same frequency as our hearts and brains. Back to
science class again, most people either got to do
it, or everybody knows about this watching tuning
forks tune to the same frequency. When you tap
one, the other kind of magically starts to vibrate
in unison with it if they’re are tuned to the same
frequency.
Because in the tuning forks, you have air
molecules just like mediating and that transfer
of energy and information between the tuning
forks. It’s kind of like I’m doing now talking, and
it’s vibrating a diaphragm in the microphone over
here. And we translate that to electrical signals,
and off it goes. So it works exactly the same way
with magnetic fields, only you don’t need the air
molecules.
That’s how any radio transmitter-receiver works,
or cell phones, TVs, radios all work on the same
principle. So if you think about how many of
those types of magnetic waves are around you
right now or everybody listening to me, all the cell
phone calls and the TV stations and radio stations,
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it’s all here right now vibrating.
So how does my phone or, well, I’m old enough.
We used to have to turn knobs on radios to tune
the stations. You might remember that.
Dr. Ewers: I do.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. So what you were doing, we
are used to it electronically now, but what you
were literally doing when you turned that knob
is you were changing the resonant frequency of
the front end, what’s called, of that receiver. And
once it becomes resonant with the vibration here
in the air around us, you instantly transfer that
energy information and amplify it up in your radio
station.
Dr. Ewers: Is any of that interfering with these
resonant frequencies that match our brain and
heart?
Dr. McCraty: Not those so much. They’re
radically different frequency, but it’s exactly
the same principle though. That’s the point
here. So the fields of the Earth are resonating
with us or our brains and hearts. So the same
principle applies here. We have the basic, very
easily understandable physics of how we can be
transferring energy and information between
the fields of the Earth and us, both radiating
them into the field and being affected by the
information in the field.
Okay. So, in fact, we’ve published a bunch of
stuff, published six studies alone last year on this.
So people interested, you can come check out
our website. There’s some huge surprises that
have come out of this work, where we’ve been
monitoring people. There are what’s called heart
rate variability of their heart rhythms, beat to beat
change in heart rates for 24 hours a day, and one
study five months.
So longest recordings I think ever done in
probably history. Asking the question, how is our
nervous system responding to these changes in
the magnetic environment of the Earth, but also
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solar influences and cosmic influences? We’re able
to look at all of this.
And like again, a long story short, I think my
whole research team was shocked at some of the
surprises out of this data of how in sync we are,
our heart rhythms with the Earth’s rhythms.
And the preliminary evidence is suggesting
when we’re really stressed out, a lot of those
unmanaged emotions is what stress really is, that
takes us out of sync with the Earth. And more and
more studies are starting to show why it’s a very
good thing to be in sync with the Earth. We want
to be coherent with our energetic environment,
basically. I could go on. I’m going to shut up.
Dr. Ewers: Does this have anything to do with the
morphogenetic field that-- was talking about?
Dr. McCraty: Not necessarily.
Dr. Ewers: Because I was thinking about the plant
information that also--
Dr. McCraty: Not necessarily, but maybe
Dr. Ewers: Because also, when you said fourth
state of matter, I was thinking about Dr. Gerald
Pollack’s fourth state of water too.
Dr. McCraty: I know Gerry quite well. Yeah.
Dr. Ewers: Yeah. So do I, and so that idea of we’re
coming into these other dimensions that we never
learned in elementary school. Yeah. Which is
so exciting. So when we boil all this down, then,
when we come back to our vibrations and healing
of vibrations, then what are three things from all
of this that our listeners could take and just start
doing?
Dr. McCraty: Well, one, is I would recommend
to build a consciousness of pause. So pause
throughout the day, as often as you can
remember to do it and do things to help remind
you, put alarms on your phone or your watch, if
you have smartwatches or sticky notes, whatever
to pause and just ask, simply ask yourself, what
am I feeding the field?

Am I feeding my personal field environment,
which, as I’m suggesting, couples to the larger
earth field environment? What are the frequencies
I’m feeding it? Am I feeding it impatience,
frustration, overwhelm, those information? Or
am I feeding the field with more compassion,
compassionate latitude, care, kindness? So what
I’m really saying and what a boatload of science is
now suggesting is what we feed the field matters.
Dr. Ewers: This reminds me so much of JFK, ask
not what you can do for your country, but rather
what you can-- So it’s not what your country can
do for you, but what you can do for your country
is a lot of times people are wondering what the
field’s feeding them. So I love this switcheroo of,
okay, what am I feeding the field?
Dr. McCraty: Right. Because it matters.
Dr. Ewers: It does. Yeah.
Dr. McCraty: If enough of us start feeding the
field with more heart coherent frequencies,
especially if we do it together as a collective, that
starts amplifying the coherent signal into the
environment that helps others, that helps lift
others into their next level of being in sync and at
a higher level of consciousness.
Dr. Ewers: The rising tide lifts all boats.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. Exactly. Then if you find that
you’re maybe not feeding the field with as much
kindness, compassion, and just by the way, it
doesn’t just matter that we come together maybe
once a month or we go to a meditation retreat,
and we do regular events and GCI to help feed
the field more love and compassion. And that’s
wonderful when we do that, but we’re connected
to the field 24/7. It all counts, in other words.
Okay.
Dr. Ewers: Not being lazy and sloppy with your
own emotional diet.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. Another way of saying the
same thing is let’s all strive to become more self-
responsible for our energetic environment.
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Dr. Ewers: Yeah. I love that.
Dr. McCraty: Yeah. Number two, you ask for
three things. If you find yourself maybe feeding
the field with some frequencies that maybe aren’t
as ideal or healthy, just start to make a shift. Jump
into a new state. And one of the easiest ways to
start that process is what we call heart-focused
breathing. And it’s where you focus your attention
literally in the center of your chest, the area of the
heart.
Imagine your breath is flowing in and out of the
chest, the heart center of the chest area—breath
in a little slower and deeper than you normally
would. Our natural resonant frequency is a
rhythm. It’s a ten-second rhythm. That’s 0.1 Hertz
rhythm. A lot of our research is all over the world
now. Breathe at six rests per minute. That’s all
based on some of our original studies. But that,
breathing at our natural resonant frequency helps
change the rhythms of the heart, which sends a
very different message to the brain, which then
interprets, helps us calm down and shift our
emotional state. That’s one of the first steps to
taking responsibility and be more in charge of our
emotional diet. And then number three, activate
more feelings of kindness, appreciation, genuine
care, and connection and radiate that into the
field.
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Dr. Ewers: I love that. Buddhist Tonglen practice.
Yeah. You can find inside of whatever your
spiritual tradition, there’ll be some practice that
you can drop into. That’s really beautiful. Thank
you so much, Dr. McCraty. I really appreciate you
taking the time to share this wisdom with us.
Dr. McCraty: My pleasure, and I hope it’s useful
for at least some listeners out there. And maybe
some heart-focused breathing, they can try that
next time they start feeling stressed or anxious or
fearful, and that it’ll be of some benefit.
Dr. Ewers: All right, everybody. Until next time, be
well.
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Intelligent Energy
Medicine: Tapping into
Your Knowing
Silvia Binder, ND, PhD
Lloyd: Welcome, welcome. My name is Lloyd
Burrell. Today at the Healing With Vibration
Summit, I’m thrilled to have as my guest,
Silvia Binder. Silvia is a naturopathic doctor,
founder of the Binder Institute for Personalized
Medicine in Southern Germany and the CEO of
Ondamed in New York, Germany and Nigeria.
Silvia was born in Germany and is a graduate of
the College of Naturopathy in London and has
a PhD in Naturopathy from the Open University
for Complementary and Alternative Medicine
in Sri Lanka. Silvia works with physicians and
chronically ill patients from around the world
and offers unique healing retreatsin select
locations. She is a faculty member of the
American Academy for Anti-Ageing Medicine,
guest writer for FAIM in the USA and consultant
to the Ministry of Health in Nigeria. She lectures
and teaches specialized courses on interpretive
energetic medicine globally. Silvia is the author
of the book Ondamed: A Story of Love, Healing &
Medical Revolution. Silvia, welcome.
Silvia: Thank you for the introduction. Thank
you for letting me be here with you and all the
people watching.
Lloyd: Thank you so much for being here.
Delighted to have you on from Germany. My
onlyguest from Germany, up to this point
anyway.
Silvia: Oh, really? Wow. I feel honored.
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Lloyd: So let me just ask you what got you into
this field? I know you have an extraordinary
story. Can you share that with us?
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Silvia: I’d be so happy. Thank you for the
question. It actually was about almost 20 years
agothat this device Ondamed, sitting right next
to me, came into my life at a time when my
familyneeded it most. I didn’t know it existed. I
didn’t know anything about energy medicine. It
wasalmost like my middle child, he pulled me
to it. Often that is the case for many of us, that
a shocking experience, a devastating situation
can actually lead us on the path of where we
actually wanted to be on unconsciously. So
my son Randy, he was two years old when
we discovered that he had congenital
heart disease. It was transposition so they
did a fabulous surgery at Children’s Hospital in
Boston. They reversed [inaudible 02:52]. that
was a fantasticintervention. They also added a
pacemaker.
But when it came, three years later to a
chronicissue our allopathic medicine model
is just not working so well. He actually had
a one-centimeter thrombus on the heart
valve. He was given Coumadin, a blood-
thinning medication. He was on the blood-
thinning medication at only five years old.
This is a terrible medication for children or
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anyone. Components of this medication are
also usedas rat poison. So they wanted to thin
the blood. It did not work. Almost three months
into it,they were saying, “Okay, we will have
to do open heart surgery again to remove this
thrombus.” It was just one and a half weeks
before, they will check his coagulation
status again by drawing his blood, that this
device and the inventor found me through
someone I had worked with in the past. He
came to New York and lived in New York. He
brought the device and he gave a little crash
course. As he left, I didn’t really know what
to do with this device but it kept on talking
to me, “Use me. Use me.” There’s such things
as energies everywhere. Communication can
be heard and felt from many things even if
we think they’renot alive. So I was nervous
to use this device on my son because he
has a pacemaker. The devices uses pulsed
electromagnetic fields. But because this inner
voice wouldn’t stop, I just took the machine and
took my son away to the medical center and we
saw a pediatric cardiologist who looked at the
echocardiogram. We had a Medtronic engineer
there looking atthe pacemaker functions while I
was running Ondamed frequencies into him.
Everyone gave me the green light. There was
no interference with his heart function or his
pacemaker. They said to go ahead and try it.
So I did. Three sessions, 15 minutes each, and
on that Monday morning he had his [inaudible
05:27] taken again which would be the deciding
factor if Children’s Hospital Boston would
move forward with the surgery. But for the
very first time in three months, itshowed
that his coagulation was at 2.7, which is at
therapeutic levels. All I added was physics,
was the pulsed electromagnetic field
device, Ondamed. So it was very clear that
something happened with his blood quality.
So the physician said, “Okay, you’re the mom.
You can continue doing this with him and let’s
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just keep him under observation and see how
he does.” So we did Coumadin and Ondamed.
Three months later, the clot was only a third of
thesize. He was out of danger and it was no
more that problem. It was that time I looked
into natural ways of helping one’s health for
my own family. It really caught me by surprise
at howpassionate I became. But you know,
saving your son’s life or possibly at least from
another heart surgery, that does something
to you. I found myself a pediatric cardiologist
who would work with me and would say, “It’s
okay. I agree with you to stop Coumadin. But
give him baby aspirin.” But I never did. The
physician never asked me because he knew I
was not going to give him baby aspirin. I just
changed the whole family’s nutritional intake.
They were all very strictfor six months. And I did
the ongoing Ondamed treatment. He’s 23 years
old now and he hasn’t been on Ondamed
because he’s in New Jersey and I live now in
Africa. I bounce back to Germany and other
countries around the world. So he has been
symptom-free. His cardiovascular functions
are beautiful. He’s healed all the way and he
is doing really well. That is my story and it
got me into studying naturopathic medicine.
I already had adegree in business. I have always
been an entrepreneur. It was very interesting.
It was in the semiconductor field and the music
industry. And then I came into this industry, the
healing fields. So if you look at the body, we are
like semiconductors. Every cell is like a piece of
crystal. The music and vibration, everything in
the universe is frequency vibration and energy.
So that’s my story that has brought me to travel
the world and share everything that I have
learned.
Lloyd: Yes, it’s a beautiful story and a happy
ending. We like happy endings. Listening to your
story, it seemed to be your inner voice. It
must’ve been frightening as a parent. I think
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there’s a particular bond between their mother
and their children. It was through listening to
this inner voice that you knew what to do, what
decision to make.
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Silvia: Yes, that inner voice is within all of
us. But we often ignore it because we are
afraid of it. We don’t understand it. We don’t
know what to do with it. Even if we would
embrace it, how do we develop it? This is
where mindfulness comes in, standing still,
letting silence speak to you and growing that
skill. I’ve had an advantage because at the age
of 15, I was [inaudible 09:30] five times after a
motorcycle accident. I grew up in Vienna, Austria.
I was born in Germany but grew up in Vienna
where I had my prime education. So when I
came back after seven weeks of hospitalization
back then, incubation was very dangerous and
would not last longer than three days before
they would become toxic for a patient. But I was
incubated for 21 days. That was a miracle in
the medical field. And I do remember the cave
of light. And when came back, it was like my
soul had grown. My soul went through a reset.
I was a lost teenager, like most teenagers at 15.
But when I came back, from anormal student, I
became top of my class, I was very focused. I knew
at 21, I wanted to move toan English-speaking
country which I did, by myself. I moved to New
York. So I have been developing that skill more
and more. Some people call it gut feeling, or
whatever you want tocall it. It’s intuition, truly.
Lloyd: Yes. If we could all only listen more to our
intuition, I think it’s really, really powerful.
It’s the greatest source of intelligence. We’re
all trying to be super smart and learn things,
remember things. It seems as though that is
where the true intelligence and guidance is. We
don’t really have to think about it. It’s just how
do we connect to it and learn how to trust it,
that’s the difficult part.
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Silvia: The thing is differentiating the innate
wisdom from intellectual wisdom. There are
two very different systems within us. Our
intellectual brain is one thing. That’s limited.
But then, our innate intellect, our innate
wisdom, that can spin back to probably a
lifelong of [inaudible 12:05] and as I call it,
tapping into the now, the knowing. There’s
great books out there. 15 years ago, nobody
talked about this. But we already have intuitive
music. Intuition is a word used in so many
fields, so it’s not a strange word anymore. It’s
not esoteric anymore. So I think that humanity
has risen its consciousness levels. People like
Eckhart Tolle, they call him one of the top US
philosophers of our time. He’s very, let’s say,
conventional from the world where I come
from. But he’s providing a nice bridge from
a scientific world to our world. Sam Harris
talks about mindfulness, about free will. He’s a
neurologist, I think. I cannot remember. But he’s
a known scientist his path spins and he doesn’t
even understand - that’s what happens to us.
We don’t know how we got there. But here we
are. It’s like life pulls us into a direction, like,
“What am I doing in Africa? I have noidea but I’m
here.” Now with everything that is happening, it’s
almost like I’m supposed to behere to help with
certain procedures and scenarios.
Lloyd: Yes. So let’s talk about Ondamed, if we can.
This is what you discovered through your
journey with your son, particularly. You came
across this approach. Can you explain what it is
and why it’s important?
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Silvia: The Ondamed is actually an intelligent
approach that personalizes what the
patient needs and where the patients
need treatment the mot. So it combines a
diagnostic perspective with a treatment
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option. It has five different applicators that
canbe used. The brilliance is that we’re
listening. We’re not just communicating. We
are [inaudible 14:45] the radio pulse. When we
introduce the patient to frequencies ranging
between 0.1Hz to 32,000Hz, the intensity is so
weak that it can never even harm a pacemaker’s
outputfunction. It cannot create muscle spasm.
So it works within our own communication
pathways. That’s how the body communicates.
That’s how the neurological system works.
That’s how the nervous system works. So that’s
important.
As we’re introducing those frequencies in a
gentle, almost whispering way to the body,
we’re waiting for the patient’s autonomic
nervous system to react to the stimulation.
It’s almost like putting them on a lie
detector. They say, “Oh, my hips hurt and
my knees hurt,” but that might not be the
beginning of their health decaying story.
It only had happened 35 years after an
accident, after an injury, after an unresolved
issue which back then was a fresh shock
or trauma, emotionally. So as we’re trying
through frequencies and programs, there are
four different modules that give us different
information such as which organs or organ
systems are not working as effectively. In 174
programs under Module 2, maybe there’s hip-
joint pain, there’s [inaudible 16:27], there’s
emotional issues even like birth trauma. That
would mean that the patient had an even more
traumatic experience birthing into this world,
like being droppedafter birth of having the
umbilical cord wrapped around them. So just
amazing that we have seven chakras built
in, we have Solfeggio built in which is the
Gregorian chantings of the six tones that
again, are used by tuning forks or the singing
bowls. That’s frequencyvibration so we can
automate that and put that into Ondamed
at 528Hz which is one of those chanting
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tunes. So the [inaudible 17:12] this applicator
as we’re scanning the body to find where are
the greatest dysfunctions such as inflammation,
infectious processes, scar tissue, and then more
profoundly if you want to work this way, being
that type of therapist or humanbeing, emotional
unresolved trauma or shock experience that are
still residing somewhere in the energetics, in the
fluids, in the cells. As you are staying on those
areas, where you’re isolating the most important
areas, we know that white blood cell counts are
up, we know that inflamed cytokines are up, we
know that CRP levels are up, they’re all levels of
indications that inflammation is happening in the
patient.
But where is the inflammation? Even if we
know, what do we do about it locally? Here
is the answer; non-invasive, electromagnetic
fields.So the realm of quantum physics. We’re
talking to the atoms within our cells. So when
you do that, we are able to, much faster
help the body’s own repair and regeneration
abilities. We’re not treating itself. What is
happening inside the body, electromagnetic
fields penetrate without having had skin
contact, you’re not feeling anything, there’s
nothermal, no heat approach, it goes all the
way through because that’s what our bodies
are made of. We’re electromagnetic beings.
Where the applicator is placed, let’s say the
thyroid shows up and we decide that’s where
we want to put it because thyroid levels are up
or down,then what happens during treatment
is that immune cells are being attracted into the
area. Often, inflammation goes into self mode.
[inaudible 19:30] barricaded inflammations that
produce ongoing toxicity throughout the body
which may cause you pain in the knee. But the
problem is not the knee. The problem is higher
up. So we’re making it known to immune cells,
the infection and inflammations so that they
can do what they know to do. We’re attracting
electrons into the areas that need repair.
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We are attracting blood flow or stimulation
of lymph flow, which means if there’s too
much blood flow, the body will regulate it.
That’s allabout the body’s own innate wisdom
of regulation. So this is just brilliant. We’re not
treatingdisease. It’s not necessary. What are
names? Names are just to help us create a story
in our head. But wouldn’t it be so much better
to not have a story in our head because every
patient is different? It’s better to not come with
expectations.
Lloyd: Yes.
[00:20:46]
Silvia: Let your autonomic nervous system
direct us to what frequencies are most healing
andwhere in the body is the healing most
needed first. What’s the first domino? Not the
sixth domino, that doesn’t interest me. What
I also want to talk about is this very time-
relevantModule 3, which deals with microbial
and viral, parasitic, fungal frequencies. It’s
amazing how we’ve been helping our COVID-19
patients. But it’s not that we’re treatingwith
a COVID-19 frequency. We’re just finding the
frequency which the body respondswithout
giving it a name, and stimulating with that
particular frequency.
Lloyd: Which is different for each patient, for
each person, is it not?
[00:21:37]
Silvia: That’s correct. Of course it is. We need to
[inaudible] assessment of the patient. We’vegot
to turn 180 degrees and say it’s the patient’s
story that needs to be unraveled in chronic
disease. Of course if it’s an acute injury,
that’s easy. We know where the injuries
are. We know the applicators and to place
where the injuries are. There are thousands
of studies, over 500,000 studies on pulsed
electromagnetic fields with significant
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efficacy. The differentiation of Ondamed, I
want to make it very clear, is that this is an
intelligent approach. Yes, you can lay on a
mat and you put your arms through a coil.
That’s all good. There’s no problem with
that, unless you do it all the time because
your body’s exposed to the same frequencies
over and over and over again. That’s not a
healthy thing. It’s like listening to the same
song over and over again.You get irritated and
you don’thear it anymore.. So we are able to
fine-tune over four modules so it’s almost like
four machines in one of what frequencies,
where on the body and localizes the treatment,
and it gives us a diagnostic information about
the patient, physiologically, mentally and
emotionally.
Lloyd: Yes. So it’s not just PEMF, pulsed
electromagnetic frequencies. It’s this intelligent
approach and this is what differentiates it from
other PEMF devices which are out there. So I
really love how you’ve explained that by the way,
and this link between energy and matter, our
bodies. It’s usually energy as a gateway, as a
principal healing force, healing at the energetic
level. And then, that’s feeding down to the
physical level. I’d like to ask you, one thing you
talk about in your work is the planetary system.
I saw this pretty diagram on your website of
these different healing approaches, all kind
of stuff, epigenetics, trauma, about 30 or so
things. So what is that? How does that work?
[00:24:08]
Silvia: I call it Silvia’s planetary system. It’s all
the planets that I lean on and that is growing
as I learn more. When I’m in Africa, I learned
more about plants and that is just wonderful.
So these herbal treatments can be so powerful
and has been used for thousands of years. So
Silvia’s planetary system includes all these
different modalities that I use that are
leaned on Ondamed being my number two
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treatment option. It’s always part of what I
do. But number one, at the top of the circle
is intuition.
Lloyd: Of course. You’ve got me thinking there,
like, “Where is she taking me?”
[00:25:02]
Silvia: Very good. Yes, because it is the heart
piece to me understanding the patients from a
different perspective. When I start stimulating
patients’ electromagnetics and memories
that are kept in cellular level fluids and
whatever, people suddenly have a vision, a
memory. They just remember something.
“Oh, you’re responding to a birth trauma-
related program. Is there anything that
comes up?” At first, they say “I don’t know.
Strange question.” So as I’m treating them
and thousands of practitioners are doing
the same thing around the globe, within
minutes, it seems like a memory is being
released in a very gentle way. We try to
access that information through hypnosis.
A psychiatrist may have other means, or a
psychologist. But here, I don’t have to work so
hard.Asking the questions can be sabotage,
almost, to myself as a therapist and to the
patient because it’s not in the brain memory.
It’s in the innate memory. So we’re getting very,
very quickly tounresolved emotional issues. So
with intuition, maybe I see something, maybe
I hear something, maybe I smell something. I
have some sort of a sensation and I have learned
to understand that this is not for me to keep. It’s
okay to make a fool out of myself. It’s not going
to hurt me. I must send to the patient what I’m
seeing, what I’m experiencing. I’m not saying,
“This is what it is.” You have to come with
love, compassion, benevolence and just say,
“I see this little girl that’s is going through
something.” The patient, while being
stimulated, not being frightened - if they
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feel they are comfortable, they feel at home.
That’s really what they’re looking for when
they come and see us practitioners. They
don’t want to be a number. They don’t want
to just be a patient on a sheet of paper or in
someone’s iPhone or laptop. They actually
want to be touched, they want to be listened
to. So very quicklywe can help people, even
with fibromyalgia, with stage 4 cancer, it
doesn’t matter what you call the disease.
Once you are able to get them back into a
state of hope, respectfulness, forgiveness,
love, etc., I’m working with a whole other
individual. I’m working with somebody who
wants to take charge because I’m not the one
owning it. They need to be made very much
aware that they own their health. I’m only
here to guide them along. So intuition is very
important.
Lloyd: Yes. It seems as though you’re guiding
them in what you’re doing. So you have all these
protocols and these wonderful devices like
Ondamed which as you say, is number two.
Number one is intuition. Having such strong
intuition, you’re getting into that place where
you’re allowing yourself to be guided and you’re
kind of inviting the person that you’re treating,
thepatient, so to speak, or the person you’re
helping. You’re inviting them to be guided too.
Is that fair to say?
[00:28:59]
Silvia: That is correct. They’re coming on a
journey with me. What do I need to? Many
people, many physicians around the world ask,
“What do I need to do to develop this?” The
intuitionpart without Ondamed, I’ll only have my
own vibration. That’s good but I need something
totap in. So Ondamed helps me to tap into
the memory of individuals. So what needs
to happen is to be fearless. Many people,
they think, “Oh no, the patient is expecting
something from me now.” But as a matter
of fact, you’re the one expecting something
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from yourself. So you’re putting yourself
under pressure which makes things tensed.
You need to be open and say, “It will come when
it will come.” If it doesn’t come, it doesn’t come.
And then you start working. The vibrations are
important. Then the communication is helping
with your patients. And then of course, others,
we go back to the planetary system. I also believe
in applying a little bit of homeopathy, even if
that is HRT, just a whisper of hormones. I believe
in manipulating joints and the spine because if
that is out of order, I can’t repair the muscles to
hold that manipulation, like a dorn therapy or
what’s called in Germany, craniosacral work or
osteopathic work and advanced chiropractic
that is not applying much pressure. So that has
tohappen in addition is there are abnormalities
going on in the joints and in the spine. I can’t do
that with Ondamed.
Another important element is the biological
dentistry. If people don’tremove their
amalgams or their root canals, I’m going to
be going in circles. I can’t help them detox.
That’s one of the things that happens with
Ondamed, it’s detoxification. But if they don’t
remove their mercury, every time they bite,
it’s going to release into the body. So they
have to be honest about what we’re doing
and other specialists. I don’t have to have
all the answers, but I have to have part of the
answers and I need to be okay withthat. Often
in our field, these wonderful alternative medical
professionals, they think they haveto know it all.
They isolate rather than connect. So how can you
create a world with more naturopathic thinking
if we isolate? That makes no sense. So that’s an
important one. Also ofcourse, TCM, traditional
Chinese medicine. I don’t do acupuncture. But
as you can see in theback on the wall here,
whenever I scan the body, I may find something
on top of the ear, underthe skull on the right side,
that might be skin, but it could also be the gall
bladder meridian. Sobring that wisdom. It’s so
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simple. Bring that in and if gall bladder shows
up a couple of times,I’m going to look closer
at that, which the patient may not know they
have any gall bladder issues but I’m going to be
able to unravel that. Another one close to my
heart is anthroposophy. Anthroposophical
medicine is Rudolf Steiner’s work. It’s a
spiritually enhanced medical science. How
beautiful. I can only encourage anyone, if
you are a layperson, if you’re into medicine,
scientist, whatever you are, look into the
original scriptures. I had an advantage. I was
studying it with the original German book
which Steiner wrote and it’s very complicated
German. But it’s a very different soul behind
theGerman language compared to now when
you translate it to English. You know what I’m
talking about.
Lloyd: I don’t speak any German, but I speak
French and understand the translating between
one language and another is very, very hard and
there’s always loss of meaning. It depends on
the quality of the translation but it’s never 100%
communicating that message of the original
language, the original writing. Everything’s got
energy and you’re giving it a different energy.
Yes?
[00:33:58]
Silvia: So true, and the work [inaudible 34:02], I
want to remind physicians to stay humble. You
don’t have to know it all or pretend you know.
Socrates says that, “I know that I don’t know
now, but many don’t even know that.” But in
English, it’s like six words. It’s so not coming
across.
Lloyd: That’s good. I like that. “I know what I
don’t know, but many don’t even know that.”
That’s so true. So there is a huge part of
humility in this work that you’re doing. This
is something I’m sure you’ve seen in brilliant
people like yourself - I’m allowed to say that.
You’re not. You can, obviously. But it’s brilliant
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people that just get totally taken over by their
ego and they think only they know and what
they says go. What everybody else says is lesser
valued. Ithink that’s a problem in these medical
circles and we need to remember that nobody
knows everything. At the end of it all, even if
you are a brilliant, brilliant doctor or person,
brilliant people like Tesla, Einstein, you name
it, brilliant minds, there’s things that they didn’t
know and things they got wrong.
[00:35:27]
Silvia: That’s so true. And it’s okay because
we’re humans and we don’t know. That is a
very good attitude to come from. I do want
to add one more which is one of the most
important planets on my planetary chart;
nutrition. If people are not educated on what
not to eat and how food affects our biology,
again, we’re going in circles. So they have to
have that education and respect for what
they put into their mouth and when.
Lloyd: Hippocrates, yes? Of course. So
nutrition’s really important. We shouldn’t have
to detox if we’ve got the nutrition right, should
we? But obviously in today’s world, for most
people, obviously it’s very, very difficult, living
a modern life. Even if you live in a place where
you can eat locally, grow natural and organic
and seasonal food, there’s still some pollution
in there from different treatments and what’s
in the air, and even neighboring treatments. If
your farm is organic but the neighboring farm
is not, then there’s pollution out there. I really
love your approach. I want to ask you, and I’m
asking this to all my speakers, what are your
three top tips to bring vibrational healing into
our lives? What can you share about this?
[00:37:18]
Silvia: Yes. So I would say become mindful.
Go within. This time especially allows
that because most of us have stopped the
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way we usually were. I’m not saying we
must stop. Not at all. But jokingly, I call it
BC, which is not before Christ but before
Corona. This is the time to watch a lot of
good inspirational videos. Don’t keep on
only watching other types of videos. Don’t
let fear creep in. So read. It’s okay to hold
a book and to mark it up. It’s fun. You can
read this, there’s an energy that comes to
you when you go through a book like Eckhart
Tolle’s The Power of Now. There are beautiful
books out there. As I mentioned Sam Harris’s
work, he has great podcasts. Or maybe your
webinar. What can they do to become healthy
human beings when lockdown is over? So that
is number one. We want to surround ourselves
with educational information that will make us a
better version of ourselves.
Lloyd: The mindfulness thing, let’s say
somebody’s listening, “I’ve got to be more
mindful,” but
how do we become more mindful?
[00:39:05]
Silvia: Go to the balcony. Already going to the
balcony is a mindfulness, saying, “I have not
been outside today. Let me at least capture
15 minutes of Sun because it’s healing to my
body. It helps me possibly to stimulate my liver
to create vitamin D. Let me be mindful and
stop whatI’m doing and let me go out. Now I’m
standing outside. Let me not look toward what
I regularly look at. Let me look up at the sky.
Let me appreciate what I’m seeing.” Conscious
breathing,if you can do that, that balances
the parasympathetic nervous system. That’s
not complicated. Conscious breathing are
two big words but they’re not really difficult
to do.You just breathe in deeper and always
through the nose. Breathe in through the
nose and breathe out through the nose. So
that’s perfect temperature. You can Google
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that information of why breathing through
the nose is essential to your oxygen uptake.
Oxygen is essential to your health. So when
you’re standing on the balcony. Enjoy what you
see. See the humor. See the green for what
it is. See the rocks. See the mountains. See
the birds fly8ing. Listen to them. That’s being
mindful of yourself, your experience of being a
human inthis world of nature. That’s how simple
mindfulness can be.
Lloyd: That’s number one. So number two?
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Silvia: Number two, now is a good time to
eat less. If I cannot get my hands on
wholesome food - I’m a vegetarian but
that doesn’t mean you have to become a
vegetarian. Find out for yourself. But what I
love, I don’t want to necessarily eat. That’s my
perspective, especially when it comes to cute
little animals and big animals. But eat less.
I don’t have to have combination of foods.
Whatever I have at home - raw beet salad,
little piecesof raw beets, carrots shaved
into a bowl, feta cheese, onions, a touch of
olive oil and a touch of apple cider vinegar,
and that can be my meal for the day. So it’s
really wholesome, it’s fresh and it’s natural.
I am of course in Africa where I really have
access to very fresh [inaudible 42:20] food and
I’m very thankful for that. The taste is amazing.
So drink lots of water but non-chlorinated
and non-fluoridated water. The best filters -
and peopletalk for years on that topic. So I
recommend from what I know - and it’s very
limited, what I know about water filtering
system - based on literature I’ve read, reverse
osmosisis very simple. You just put it on
the tap and let the water run, and you have
fresh water and it’s good to drink. Water’s
not supplying you with minerals. Water is
not supposed to do that. Water is here to
flush the system and to hydrate. All this
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nonsense of adding calcium and magnesium
is not needed. It’s not what your body wants.
But now that I’ve just spoken, magnesium
[inaudible 43:26] magnesium is one of the
most essential minerals to take because it’s
involved in over 230 enzymatic processes in
the body. You need good magnesium and
you need to do your study and homework on
that. But what I’m saying is drink water.
One of the greatest fruits on the planet to
make us more alkaline is squeezing lemon
into the water, and then shave the skin after
washing it. The vitamins are sitting in the skin.
Fasting, even intermittent fasting, drink
your coffee in the morning with no milk and
sugar added. And then wait until maybe
12 until you have your first wholesome
meal. And then, eat for eight hours, not eat
continuously. Don’t mistake my information.
In those eight hours, you can eat. Once
the eight hours are done, sixteen hours
you’re fasting, you’re letting your organs
rest. When they rest, they can repair and
regenerate. That’s what you want. You wanna
reuse and that’s one way to do it. We can talk
forever on nutrition but those are some very
good pointers.
Number three is ground yourself. I have my
Ondamed which is wonderful. When I treat
myself, I’m also putting my vibration back in
place. I can be the best vibrationally which
makes me think clearer, makes my lymph
and immune system work so much better
and faster. I am balanced, I am sharp and I can
be more intuitive. If you don’t have access
to find yourself your practitioner and if you
can’t do that every day, of course, go outside
and ground. On rocks, on grass, whatever
foundation it is, just not asphalt because
that separates you from the electrons
coming from MotherEarth. We have studies
that show inflammation can be reduced
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just by grounding five minutes a day. Those Lloyd: Fantastic. Silvia Binder, thank you
of you who are Lyme patients, you don’t have so much for being part of the Healing With
to stand in the grass andbe afraid that a tick is Vibration Summit, for sharing your work. Your
going to come and bite you. I work a lot with approach, I think that’s what’s really interesting.
Lyme patients. The fear levels that comes into The tool, Ondamed, there’s practitioners all
their minds - just have a rock and stand on the over the world from what I gather. You do
rock, or stand on the pedestal and [inaudible remote Skype consultations also. That’s what I
46:21]. And of course, if I may add more, love noticed on your website. So thank you so much
and be happy and laugh. Laughter and love, for being here today.
those are two great medicines that are available
to us. Silvia: Thank you so much, Lloyd I appreciate all
that you’re doing and your team is doing. We’re
Lloyd: They are. That’s what we’re both doing, all in this together and I’m so thankful for you
isn’t it? Keep laughing and loving. I noticed this too and to be part of this journey of yours.Thank
at this interview, laughing anyway. We’ve all got you.
to love more and keep laughing. I love what
you’re sharing. Where can people learn more Lloyd: Thank you. And thank you listener and
about what you do? viewer, for being here today. My name is Lloyd
Burell from www.electricsense.com, thank you
Silvia: They can come to any of the work sites. so much. Until next time, bye-bye.
I’m at the website www.silviabinder.com. That’s
one. Then we have www.binder-institute.
de. That’s another side. And then there’s the
Ondamed site with so many videos on it,
www.ondamed.net. “Onda” is Latin for wave
and “med” is medicine. That is our website.
So people can reach out. I get all the emails.
So I’m filtering everything that’s coming in.
Why? Because I want to keep my thumb on the
puzzles of what is going on with people, our
patients, positions, whatever it is.

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The Power of 8: Heal

Yourself - Heal the World
Lynne McTaggart

Lloyd: Welcome, welcome. My name is Lloyd
Burrell. Today at the Healing With Vibration
Summit, I’m thrilled to have as my guest,
Lynne McTaggart. Lynne is one of the central
voicesin the new conscious movement. She
is the award-winning author of seven books,
including worldwide best-sellers, The Field, The
Intention Experiment, The Bond, and her latest
book, The Power of Eight. She’s also the architect
of The Intention Experiment, a worldwide,
global laboratory,testing the power of thought
to change the world, and also serves as the
editorial director of What Doctors Don’t Tell You,
one of the world’s most highly praised health
publications. Lynne McTaggart, welcome.
Lynne: Hi, Lloyd. Nice to be with you.
Lloyd: It’s really great to have you on. As I said
just before we start broadcasting, I am a huge
fan. I really love your work. I’m subscribed to
your newsletter and I love what you do. So I
know quite a bit about you but our listeners
and readers don’t. so could you just share
your story a little bit? I mentioned What
Doctors Don’t Tell You. What put you on this
course? How did this all start?
Lynne: Well, you know, it sort of started by
accident, Lloyd. I am an investigative reporter
bybackground. When I was first starting
out as a journalist, I was busting baby-
selling rings and trying to put bad guys into
jail. I then started writing about health.
Essentially, after I got ill myself with what
would be considered a faulty microbiome
now - back then nobody knew what it was
- after going through the whole of medicine
from conventional to the outer rim of
alternatives, I finally found a nutritional
pioneer, a doctor in the UKwho was
experimenting at the time with what he
said was microbiome problems. It was not
called that at that time. So I worked with
him for a year at getting better and I was
so astonished at the use of nutrition and
functional medicine. This was back in the
‘80s. I was so amazed by his methodology or
working with the patients as kind of partners
that I gotreally boring on this subject, talking
about it. So my husband finally said, “Don’t tell
me. Tell the world.” So we started what was
then a newsletter called What Doctors Don’t Tell
You. Now, in the course of that, I kept coming
across good medical studies. We studied the
scientific literature in What Doctors Don’t Tell
You and our new venture, Get Well, which is an
exhibition, and courses for alternate medicine.
When we look at medical literature, in the
course of that I kept comingacross very good
studies of spiritual healing. I kept thinking to
myself, “Wait a minute, if somebody can send
a thought to someone and make them feel
better, that in itself undermines everything we

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think about how the world works.” So I wanted
to find out how that could be. Ifigured there
must be such a thing as human energy fields.
So I thought I’d talk to some frontierscientists.
They would tell me and I’d write it up, and
that would be that. Well, that wasn’t what that
was. I went to speak to some of these frontier
physicists, working in consciousness research
and I realized that they were all on the verge
of a completely new science, a completely
new view of the world. Each of them, through
their experimental evidence, have discovered
a piece of what compounded into this
completely new science that was overturning
the science that has ruled our lives and by
which we operate and have operated for
centuries. So they don’t communicate in
plain English. Scientists talk in Math. And
they also don’t like to venture beyond their
usual experimental patch. So I realized with
some alarm that I was going to have to piece
this together and decode it into English.
So I did and that book The Field. Now, there
was a lot of unfinished business in The Field,
which was the whole idea that thoughts are an
actualsomething with the capacity to change
physical matter.
So the journalist in me was rather skeptical
about all of this and a lot of the popular
stuff coming out about manifestation
and “I believe, I receive” type of stuff. So
I thought, “Okay, how far can we really
take this?” We’re talking about subtle
effects. We’re talking about healing the
world, curingcancer with our thoughts. So I
thought I’d put it t the ultimate test. I know
a lot of scientists in consciousness research
and I also had lots of readers. The Field was
in 30 languages by that time. So I thought
what if I just put them together? I’ll have
the biggest global laboratory in the world.
That’s what we’ve done since 2007. I’ve
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run 33 ofthem today. I didn’t think it was
going to work but they really worked. 29 of
those 33 have shown measurable, positive,
mostly significant effects, from making
seeds grow faster to lowering violence in
war-torn areas.
Lloyd: Yes. Reading your books, the impression
that I get - particularly reading The Power of
Eight - is that you’re a big skeptic. You were
very skeptical about all this. I wouldn’t say you
were almost wanting it not to work. But you
didn’t have the intention to make this work.
You just wanted to know, it seemed. You were
as much trying to disprove as trying to prove
it. Is that fair to say?
Lynne: Well, you know, you have to think of
the mind of our journalist. Our mind is “what
is.” The best journalists don’t want to will it
to a certain direction, but just want to find
out what’s the truth here. So that’s very
much how I view the world. It’s, “Okay, let’s
find out the truth, without fear or favor.”
Also, there isn’t a whole lot of woo-woo about
me. As I say, I come from a background of
being a hard-nosed journalist. So while I
have trespassed into this area - and this
is now my passion and my area - I have
that sense of skeptical investigation. An
open-minded skepticism, I should say,
which is the way you have to approach
everything as a journalist. You have to
question the authority. That’s our job
as the fourth estate. It’s to question the
establishment and make sure that you get
at the truth. It’s an old style of journalism. A
lot of journalists these days have a set opinion
about something or have a political bias. They
want the story to fit their bias. Well, back in
mytime when I was first learning to be a
journalist, that was an absolute no-no. People
didn’t dothat. If you were a good journalist,
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you needed to write the truth, no matter what.
So that’s always been important to me. I didn’t
know whether or not lots of people thinking
the same thought at the same time - which
is what we do with intention experiments -
scattered aroundthe globe, connected only
by an internet site, was going to work. That
was a big stretch, further than a lot of the
experimental evidence had gone. I wasn’t at
all certain it was going to work. Ithought, “Let’s
give it a good try and see.”
Lloyd: Yes. On one level, it’s incredibly simple
and on another level, it’s incredibly complex
when we look at the science behind it, which
is the quantum science. People that are
interested in that can delve into that if they
want. You talk about this in The Field. But you
don’t have tounderstand the science at all.
It’s all really very simple and we’re going to
talk about this, whatwe have to do later on in
the interview. So it went from The Field to The
Intention Experiment. Then it went from that
to what is now The Power of Eight. That’s to say
working with a smallgroup of people. What
gave you the idea to do that?
Lynne: Well, that also happened by accident.
Back in 2008, we had run a number of
theseintention experiments and they were
successful. I was as surprised as anybody.
But I wanted to see what would happen if
we scaled this down? What if we did it in a
workshop setting? But I wasn’t really sure
how to do that. So I was kicking around the
ideawith my husband who’s the other editor
and owner of What Doctors Don’t Tell You.
I’m talking about it with him one night and I
said, “I don’t know, Brian. Maybe I’ll put people
in groups ofeight or so and have them send
intention to someone with a health challenge.”
He’s such a good headline writer. He turned
to me and said, “Yes, I love it! The power of
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eight.” That truly is how it started. It was just
an accident. We put people in these groups
of eight or so. We ask them to send healing
intentions to someone with a health
challenge. We followed the same protocols
as we did with the big experiments that
I’ve developed called Powering Up, which
was kind of a distillation of all the practices
of many disciplines and some of the
science in what would be the ways to do
intention. It was a mix of traditional and
indigenous practice in many disciplines,
and also modern-day science. So we told
them to do that. We had them do it. They
came back the next day, I assumed it was
going to be a gentle, feel-good effect like
getting a back massage or a facial. But
that’s not what happened. When people
came back and reported one by one on
what they’d experienced, they said things
like, “I had cataracts and I’m 82% better.”
“I had a terribleknee. I had bad arthritis in
my knee and I was limping, and I’m walking
normally today.” “I have IBS and my gut is
normal.” “I have depression and it’s lifted.”
On and on and on that went. So we were
kind of shocked but we thought, “This is a
placebo effect. This isn’t real. This is a placebo
effect,” until it kept happening over and over
and over again,even with non-believers. It was
happening to the people who were doing the
sending too. They were getting better too. So I
started to realize after many, many hundreds
of these that I mightbe on to something. But it
took me a good 10 years to get up the courage
to publish this bookbecause I kept saying to
myself, being a journalist, I need to know why.
I need to have more evidence, more hard
proof. I need to figure out what is the secret
sauce here.”
Lloyd: Of course. The whole thing driving
you here is the truth and you want to share
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the truth. You want to understand what’s
happening. I guess you get to a point where
even if you can’tunderstand exactly [inaudible
12:42], then heck, people have to know about
this and we have to share this with the world
because this is really powerful. It can really
change the world.
Lynne: Yes. And I realized that somehow I had
been selected, strangely enough, as a kind of
gatekeeper here. I hadn’t sought this out and
suddenly, I had been witnessing miracles and
was somehow an instigator of these. I knew
this was really strange. I’m not a healer. I
never pretended to be. I’m a journalist. I’m a
writer. Why is this happening? Again, that was
a driving force to find the truth. But I also felt
the weight of responsibility because people
were gettinghealed. I’ve seen thousands of
people over these years now get healed in
small and large groups. If I speak somewhere
and we have an audience of 600 or 700, I’ll
put them into groups and have them do 10
minutes. That’s all we do, 10-minute group
intention. I’ll have them work with therandom
people sitting next to them. We’ve had things
like this - last summer, I was speaking at a
conference in London. There were about
700 people in the room and one of the
groups had selected a woman who was
paralyzed from the neck down. Maya was
a young woman and a dancer and had
suddenly got this weird idiopathic paralysis.
So shewas there in her wheelchair and her
group intended for her. Afterward, I ask,
“Anybody experienced anything want to
raise your hand and tell everybody about
it?” We had people stand up who was due
to have surgery on their knees do deep
squats and canceled their surgery. It’s
amazing. Maya raises her hand. She says,
“Okay, I want to tell you what happened.”
She gets up. She stands up and turns around
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and starts talkingto everybody. Everybody
saw her in a wheelchair, completely
paralyzed. It was mind-blowing. There
wasn’t a dry eye in the audience. She was a
real person. I also talked to her afterward and
said, “What happened?” She said, “It’s like my
wheelchair was falling through the floor. It was
the weirdest experience.” we’ve had many,
many, many of these things. It’s given me a
sense of greater responsibility. As I say, I have
to be a powerful gatekeeperhere. A lot of
people can say, “Wow, this is a fantastic
money-making operation. This is a way to
get rich quick.” I have to protect it. We’ve
discovered something new about the power of
small group intention that can heal not only the
recipient but also the sender.
Lloyd: And that is a key thing. There’s a power
of eight and we’re sending all these healing
energies to one person. We want that person
to recover from whatever it is, cancer, arthritis,
Alzheimer’s, you name it. But it’s actually for all
those eight people involved, there’s a healing
effect on them. That was and unexpected
thing. That was the more amazing thing. It’s
the icing on the cake.
Lynne: It is. That was the extraordinary thing
that I started witnessing with the intention
experiments, but also with the power of
eight. With the intention experiments back
in 2008, Idecided to survey the participants
just to see how it was for them and were they
experiencinganything. Was anything going on
in their lives? Mainly, I just wanted to know if
their internetsystems were working because
we had too many people coming on at the
same time in the beginning. So I just surveyed
them and basically said, “how was that for
you?” I got back thousands of responses,
shockingly saying things like, “I thought I was
part of a higher network.I felt electricity up
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and down my arms. I felt goosebumps. I was
crying inconsolably,” etc. Somebody said they
felt like they were in the tractor beam of Star
Trek. This heavy energy that was so intense
also stopped the moment the intention was
over. I felt it myself. I had to stay away from
the computer. Now, remember this, these are
people in the same room. There are people
sitting in front of their own computer, just as
I am right now, dotted around the world and
only connected by my internet site.
So it wasn’t just that that was weird. It was
that we were creating some sort of psychic
internet connection together. It wasn’t just
that we were focusing on some effect and
demonstrating that we can make seeds
grow faster, that we can purify water, that
we can lower violence, all of those things
were measured with achievement signs time
after time. But what was also strange and
extraordinary and untoward was that
the participants were reporting that their
lives were changing. After, for instance,
participating in a peace experiment, their
lives became more peaceful. They wrote
things like this, “I’m getting along better
with my boss and co-workers. I’ve made up
with my estranged partner. My son who
hasn’t spoken to me in 20 years suddenly
calls me up,” and most particularly, just
almost half wrote, “I’m more in love with
everybodyand anybody I come in contact
with. Essentially, I’m hugging strangers.
So I’m thinking to myself, what is going on
here? There’s some sort of weird mirror
effect. That became evident too when we
did a healing experiment with some who had
post-traumatic stress disorder. He got better,
never sought treatment again, went traveling
after that, and met the love of his life. His life
so improved. Maybe we did that. Maybe it was
just coincidence. But you know, again, when
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you do these intention experiments, it just
works just about every time. Out of 33, all but
4 with technical issues have shown a positive,
mostly significant effect. You startthinking
you’re on to something. The other thing that
was weird about that healing experiment
was that we had an extraordinary number
of people participating. The participants who
wrote in afterward, “I’m walking normally
again. My skin has really improved. My back
pain is gone. My stomach problems are gone,”
and on and on and on. “My migraines have
disappeared.” we had thousands, not just a
few, but thousands of people getting healed.
So I started realizing as thishappened over
and over again, that we were witnessing a
kind of mirror effect. Somehow, that active
participation heals the healers. That active
altruism is healing the healers. Of course,
we saw it also in the power of eight groups.
You didn’t have to be the recipient to get
healed. We had so many instances of
people who were doing the sending and
their lives completely changed. We had
an ex-Vietnam vet, Wes Chapman, who
participated in one intention experiment
where he was a sender to a woman who
had stage 4 cancer. He was going to put
himself forward because he suffered from
depression but he thought, “No, do it for
her because she’s more in need than I am.”
Wes had a terrible life. He was studying
to be a biochemistry doctor when he was
drafted in the last year of the war where
there were no more college deferments. So
he had to go to the front line of Vietnam
and it was so traumatic for him that he
came backdeeply depressed, dropped
out of college, and his life just went into
a terrible downward spiral to the point
where when I met him, he was having a
hard enough time just getting up in the
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morning and making himself breakfast.
It got to that place of, “What’s the use?”He
participates in this thing, goes to bed that
night, and the next day, he wakes up and he
has this extraordinary feeling of heightened
senses. The grass is greener than it’s ever
been, the flower smelled better, that kind of
thing. He had a sudden desire to speak to
other people. He was quite introverted before.
The next night he goes to bed, he has this
extraordinarily lucid dream, as though he is
meeting his 19-year-old self back on his college
campus. They don’t actually communicate
but it’s kind of feeling of communication. The
19-year-old self says to this 65-year-old man,
“There’s still time.” After that, it was like
Scrooge waking up on Christmas morning.
Remember, where he is so bountiful and he
is a totally new person?
That was Wes. Suddenly, he was out saying
hi to everybody. He suddenly wants to do
90-minute power walks. He’s taking up
new subjects. He’s writing again. Life has
purpose and meaning and involvement for
him. Now, he’s doing the power of eight
groups at his local church. So that’s the kind
of thing that we witnessed again and again, just
with the senders.
Lloyd: Yes. I’m sure everybody watching and
listening is dying to know how to do this.
So before I ask that question of how to do
this immensely powerful and tremendously
healing practice, I want to ask you about the
science. I’ve read several of your books and I’m
on board. You’re a skeptic and a lot of people
are skeptical. To answer the skeptics, what
science can you share behind this?
Lynne: First of all, there’s an enormous body
of science about the fact that thoughts are
thingsthat affect other things. I wrote about
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all the major science in my book, The Intention
Experiment. That book was about the science
of intention, but also an invitation to take part
in these experiments. For the power of eight,
first of all, we have all the science of the 33
experiments in the book. I talked about all of
them. We worked in prestigious scientists in
many different universities because we didn’t
want to be accused of bias. So we worked
with the University of California, University of
Arizona, Penn State University, Princeton, and
even with a Russian and German scientist.
So we had different experiments, all
demonstrating different effects. But onthe
power of eight groups, not only do I have the
testimonials and full names of people enlisted
in my book who’ve had these experiences and
their descriptions of what happened to them
andhow it was changed. It’s all mostly their
real names unless they specifically requested
to have apseudonym. I also did a brain wave
research on why power of eight groups can
be so powerful. I was lucky enough to work
with Life University, one of the largest
chiropractic universities in the world and
one of the most prestigious. They put a
team of neuroscientists at my disposal.
We set up seven power of eight groups
and hooked up one of the senders in each
group to an EEG machine to measure their
brainwaves. While we all assumed we
were going to see brainwave signatures
similar to meditation, they weren’t at
all. They were almost identical to the
brain wave signatures similar to what Dr.
Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist who
had worked at the time at the University
of Pennsylvania, studying Buddhist
monks during ecstatic prayers and Sufi
masters during chanting. Our brain wave
signatures were almost identical. What
they demonstrated was a lowering of parts
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of the brain that makes us feel separate,
for instance, the parietal lobe which sit
about here. They help us navigate through
space and tellus what’s me and what’s not me.
They were turned way down, and so were the
parts of the brain like the right frontal lobe
which is where worry, doubt, negativity, they
were all dialed way down.These were people
in a state of essentially ecstatic oneness. One
of the things that I’ve looked at is the evidence
for people who’ve had a mystical experience
and how that changes them, andoftentimes
how that brings about healing. Our people
have registered pretty much all of the
experiences that people have when they
have one of those amazing, epiphany-type,
mystical experiences. Abraham Maslow
called them peak experiences where you
have amassive physical experience. You
have an overwhelming sense of oneness.
You have a blinding epiphany of meaning.
Suddenly, life makes sense to you and
you want to change something in your
life drastically because you now have the
key. It’s like having a secret key to the
Universe. Also, you feel a rejuvenation.
Something in your life is going to change
because you have a completely new
attitude to it. That is essentially some of
the major aspects of a peak experience. Our
people routinely experience all of those in
intentional experiments or in the power of
eight groups. They describe all of those things.
So I think oneness is one of the big things.
You get out of yourself and you experience
what is reality. Reality is not this separate
carapace. Reality is a state of subatomic
oneness, essentially. So we feel our reality. So
I think that’s one thing. But another part of
the science that’s so important is this altruism.
I did a study on altruism. I started realizing
that people got off of themselves and started
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just purely intending for someone else, their
lives began to heal in every regard. So once
I started seeing that, I looked at the science
of altruism. Honest to God, altruism is like
a bulletproof vest. People who do things
for other people no matter how small live
longer, happier, healthier lives. You see this
in the science over and over again. People who
are ill with the same illness as someone else,
if they help a fellow sufferer, they get better.
People who just volunteer are more likely to
be happy. It’s almost by half, they’re twice
as happy as other people. You see that with
people who are helping in every regard. As I
say, it protects them against certain illnesses.
One of my favorite studies was a study of
prayer where a psychologist who was also
a priest wanted to see if it would work for
mental illnesses. So he got 400 volunteers
of people diagnosed with depression, put
them into two groups. One group was given
prayer and the other group was trained to
send the prayer. Afterward, you measured
them both on psychological parameters
and we foundthat the receivers did really
well. They were improved, but nowhere
near as improved asthe people who had
done the praying. They were off the charts.
So it’s just one of many,many studies
demonstrating how powerful intending is,
how powerful getting off of yourself really
is.
Lloyd: Getting off of yourself, yes. The science
is clearly there and it seems like the ultimate
proof of the saying where the more you give,
the more you get. So it’s certainly a good
incentive for everybody to do this. Don’t even
consider it. Do it. The question is how do we
do it? Normally, I’ll be asking you for your top
three tips for healing with vibration but what
I’d really like to know is how do we do this
power of eight? How can we do this power of
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eight? I knowyou’ve got a protocol.
Lynne: Sure. I do have a protocol and it’s hard
for me to share everything in just the little
timewe have. I can give you a couple of top
tips, however. One of my biggest top tips for
intendingis to be specific. People are told all
the time, “No, no. Let the Universe help
you. Let the Universe decide. Just be open
to it.” That isn’t what has worked with our
intention experiments. I have found the
more specific we are, the better it works.
So tell the Universe what you want. When
you leave it up to the Universe, that’s a little bit
more like prayer, “Thy will be done. Whatever
you decide, God. I am just the vessel.” Well,
intention isslightly different because it’s
much more like a very specific request
to the Universe. Tell the Universe what
you want, when you want it, and how
you want it. The power of eight groups, I
have the full protocol in my book, The Power
of Eight. But just the basic overview, a power
of eight group is just this; you get together
with seven other friends. It doesn’t have tobe
exactly eight. So you know, I just stumbled on
this whole protocol and I found 6, works, 5,
works, 12 works, but 8 is a lovely, Goldilocks
number. So get your friends together and
youcan do this virtually. It doesn’t have to
be in person. It works as well virtually so
it’s a great thing to do in lockdown or any
situation where you’re isolated. You get
on Zoom or Skype and you ask everyone
to nominate somebody with a health
challenge or have the person nominate
themselves. You all formulate a statement
together.
Lloyd: That can be somebody in the group or out
of the group with the health challenge, yes?
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group. Probably to begin with, start with
peoplein the group to get used to it. And
then you all imagine you’re holding hands.
You take some deep breaths together.
You formulate the intention statement in
your mind. And then you bring it down to
your heart. This isn’t a mind exercise. This
is a heart exercise. You send it out with
your five senses, imagining that person is
healthy and well in everyway with your
five senses. The recipient just opens up
their heart to receive. We started out doing
intention experiments, the very first one, in
2007. Dr. Gary Schwartz and I - he wasfrom
the University of Arizona - decided that our
protocol would only be 10 minutes of holding
this intention because we felt some of the
people in our audience - we did in front of an
audience of 600 in London - might never had
meditated before. Holding the thought for 10
minutes might be their maximum attention
span. Also, it worked and we did more and
more experiments doing this same protocol
and they all worked. This body of work is
built on creating evidence and showing what
works and carrying on with that. So you just
have to hold it for 10 minutes. And then
let go, and talk to each other about what
happened. But during those 10 minutes,
allow yourself to visualize that person
being healthy and well, and use your five
senses. Again, the recipient, just open up
your heart to receive and allow your mind
to have visualizations too. Then you just
compare notes. That’s the bare bones of it.
There’s much, much more to it. But that’s
essentially it. Again, it takes alot more to
become a real master of intention. Those are
courses that I teach, one of which is a whole
year-long master class. But that’s just the very
rudimentaries of it.
Lloyd: So anybody can do it, as I see. At the
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same time, there is something of a learning
curve because as you say, you do give master
classes on this. So it is a skill. It is something
we can learn and get better at, yes?
Lynne: Yes, I think some people are very
talented healers. But basically, everybody has
thispower. This isn’t something just for the
gifted psychic. I’ve seen people who have
never,ever done anything like this before
who were skeptical walking into a talk of
mine and come out healed. I had a woman
with terrible back pain, who got dragged
to a talk of mine and got healed. She didn’t
believe a word of it, but got healed. So yes,
everybody can do this. It’s a power we all
possess, an innate power. That’s the amazing
part of it. It’s a gift that we’ve been given. The
one common thing I would say to people is
don’t squander this. This isan amazing human
capacity that has been dormant in so many
of us and can come alive. As you said, yes,
it is a learned technique. People invariably
aren’t specific. People invariably haveto
learn to get off of themselves and trust that,
invariably have to trust the whole process,
have to learn to visualize. It’s a very
focused mind state. It’s something very
different from meditation, which is more of
a letting go process. So there are some skills
and there’salso a lot of understanding as to
why it would work. That’s part of a course and
I teach manycourses on all of this.
Lloyd: It is truly amazing. One of the most
amazing things is you don’t even have to
believe it. I’m just repeating that because
that is what blows me as well. Most of the
stuff I’ve done, if you don’t believe it, it seems
to sabotage the process. So we’re running
out of time, but I just want to ask you - I’m
sure you’ve been asked this question before
- can we use this for other things? Healing
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individuals is amazing. Healing the world is
even more amazing. It seems like the sky is the
limit as to what we can do in terms of healing.
You mentioned some things like purifying
water and seeds and reducing violence in
countries in conflicts which I’ve seen because
I’m following your newsletter. But I’m just
wondering if we can use it to get rich quick or
to find a new partner or something like that.
Lynne: I would discourage anybody from
using this to get rich quick. On my master
class,people attend not just for physical
healing, but to heal various areas of their lives.
So I routinely tell people, keep a record of
what’s going on, not only with your health,
but also you can intend for finances,
for a change of career, or a betterment
of career, being able to havemore time
for hobbies, to be able to reconnect
with our children, even to essentially
reboot your life’s purpose. So people use
it for everything. One of the things I’m
experimenting with - and I did one amazing
experiment about a year and a half ago - I had
theopportunity to use special technology to
connect with 10 different locations. We had
cameras in eight different Arab cities filled
with Muslims. The ninth camera was in an
audience filled with Israeli Jews. I was using
a technology where I could beam through
to all of them and talk to me and talk to
each other. So we were connected to these
nine different auditoriums. We did an
intention to lower violence in Jerusalem,
which was experiencing a lot of violence at
the time. What was extraordinary to me, even
more extraordinary than the figures afterward
which did demonstrate some lowering of
violence, what was more interesting was
what happened in the audiences. When I
asked them to start talking about what
theirexperiences were, the Arabs started
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saying things like to the Jews, “Your God Summit. Thanks so much for your work. I’m
is my God,” and the Jews were saying, “We really blown away by this. I’m excited by it. I
love you, brothers and sisters.” Everybody think it’s got so much potential and I’m really
was crying. Everybody was sending love happy to help share the word on this. The
back and forth. The same happened when more peoplecan do this, the better. I honestly
I got Arabsand Americans together to do an believe it’s a really, really powerful healing
intention experiment for the 10 anniversary
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with vibration protocol. So thank you so much.
of 9/11. Again, we focused on problems in
Afghanistan. It demonstrated a lowering of Lynne: Thank you, Lloyd. It’s been a pleasure.
violence. But that wasn’t the interesting part And thank you, listeners and viewers, for
of the story. The interesting part of the story attending today. If you’ve enjoyed this
was that both sides were connecting via my talk, please share it with your friends and
social media pages and chat pages, sending family. My name is Lloyd Burrell from www.
love to each other and forgivingeach other electricsense.com. Till next time, thank you so
for 9/11. So for me, this is a really powerful much. Takecare, bye-bye.
mechanism to overcome some of the
extraordinary polarizations that we’re seeing
now in different societies. It’s one of the things
Ireally want to do. I’m working on trying to put
together a big intention experiment that will
bring together different sides, Republicans and
Democrats for instance, and see what happens.
Everything I’ve seen in all of these experiments
and power of eight groups is that it’s not only
a fast track to miraculous, it’s a fast-track to
healing entire societies.

Lloyd: Yes, solutions for world peace. Listen,

it’s been fascinating talking with you. Where
can we learn more about what you do?

Lynne: Thank you so much, Lloyd. www.

Lynnemctaggart.com is my website and I’m so
excited to tell you to please check it out, aside
from a podcast which is taking a temporary
pause through lockdown. We’ll be back
shortly. But also, I’ll be back with my own TV
channel. Soplease come and watch and find
out more about me and all the courses that we
do.

Lloyd: Yes, wonderful. Thanks so much,

Lynne, for attending the Healing with Vibration

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