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Biackbenz300se# · Registered
B 1986 560SL 1986 420 SEL
Joined Jan 29, 2018 · 150 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 · Feb 15, 2019
Does anyone have a list or know where I can get a list of the error codes from the X11 diagnostic port for a 1986
560sl? I know I had one at one time but I sure can't find it and I can't find where I got it from. Hopefully someone is
more organized than I am.
thanks
com2000.1364
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Djenka018 · Registered
'80 450SLC Afro RHD Ikonengold, '01 113 W638 'Liz Hurley'
Joined Jan 23, 2005 · 3,254 Posts
#2 · Feb 15, 2019 (Edited)
I hope to be wrong, apparently there are 2 fault codes that can be read:
P9998 - PEBKAC fault
P9999 - error code reader comms cannot be established
Edit:
...and obviously a very poor attempt at humour.
Off I go to a corner facing the wall...
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Vitamin C for SL... the SLC
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Bauk18 · Premium Member

560SL 1986 244k miles astral grey / black
Joined Apr 4, 2017 · 534 Posts
#3 · Feb 16, 2019
• 0%: problem with the meter

or diagnostic coupling (X11)
or too rich setting (beyond the EHA’s ‘leaning limit’)
• 10%: TPS (throttle position sensor), throttle fully closed signal
or (if at 2.000 rpm) no/false supply voltage to POT (air flow potentiometer)
• 20%: TPS, ‘throttle fully open’ signal
• 30%: CTS (coolant temperature sensor)
• 40%: no/false output voltage from POT
• 50%: o2 sensor (aside from not having reached its operating temperature yet)
• 60%: car speed signal (displayed during driving or engine still running after driving)
• 70%: CPS (crankshaft position sensor) or EZL (electronic ignition module)
• 80%: IATS (intake air temperature sensor)
• 95%: micro switch of throttle linkage (6-cylinder engines)
or ECU ‘N3’ (missing connection to voltage supply or to ground)
or OVP (overvoltage protection relay)
or o2 sensor signal (short to ground)
or too lean setting (beyond the EHA’s ‘enriching limit’)
Credits to H.D.
How hard can it be?

Drives: 560SL 1986 244k miles astral grey / black
Biackbenz300se#
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cwmoser · Registered
1983 380SL, ivory/dk brown, 46k miles, dual roller timing chain. 1986 560SL, red/white, 190K mile.
Joined May 24, 2004 · 9,214 Posts
#4 · Feb 16, 2019
Bauk18 said: 
• 40%: no/false output voltage from POT Click to expand...
Did not know you could read diagnostic codes.

What is the display device?
Carl
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#5 · Feb 16, 2019
cwmoser said: 
Did not know you could read diagnostic codes.
What is the display device?
A Duty Cycle meter works best, A static % indicates ones of the issues above.
How hard can it be?

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#6 · Feb 16, 2019 (Edited)
Bauk18 said: 
A Duty Cycle meter works best, A static % indicates ones of the issues above.
Interesting.
I noted when I was doing the duty cycle adjustment to 50-50 that the signal
was there with Ignition on, Engine off.
Are these diagnostic codes valid with Engine off, or does the Engine have be idling?
Also, is connection to Pins 2 and 3 ????

Carl
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B 1986 560SL 1986 420 SEL
Thanks Bauk. EXACTLY what I need. I knew I saw it somewhere but could not find it. Probably saw it in your thread!
As you know, I have been following your thread and doing all the diagnostic steps that HD suggests. In my case
mostly to learn about the kE Jetronic.
For others that are reading this and have a need or interest in learning about the KE Jetronic fuel injection - HD is an
amazing source of knowledge and experience. He mostly hangs out in the w124 section. I am using my tablet now
and not able to copy and past links to some of his work. I will try to do this on Monday from my desktop. You could
find it by search of course. He takes the position of testing each part to determine which is broke and which is good.
Better than just throwing money and parts at a problem. He also has some work describing the system, duty cycle,
lambda and much more. It is well worth your time.
The 560SL has a diagnostic port on top of the left front wheel well. Remove the round cap and expose 10 pins. This
is all the 86 and 87 have. I think the 88 and 89 have an additional port to use with some type of blinking light testing
devise.
cwmoser
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#8 · Feb 16, 2019
cwmoser said: 
Interesting.
I noted when I was doing the duty cycle adjustment to 50-50 that the signal
was there with Ignition on, Engine off.
Are these diagnostic codes valid with Engine off, or does the Engine have be idling?
Also, is connection to Pins 2 and 3 ????
Yes, you measure DC on pin 2 and 3 of the X11 diag. socket at idle.
Ignition on, engine off gives you also a static reading, 70 or 85% (85% = California spec). It's recommended to start
with this reading as you can check that your DC meter is reading the off-time of the DC and not the on-time. If you
see 30 or 15% you know you are reading the on-time which will give you the wrong indication of a problem.
Please see here another extract of H.D. about the metering device:
Measuring device:
I suggest to either use an analog duty cycle meter or an analog voltmeter. Analog meters offer more comfortable
monitoring of the fluctuating readings than digital meters.
Duty cycle meter:

Some duty cycle meters show the percentage of the square wave voltage’s ‘on’-time, and others show the percentage of
its ‘off’-time. In case of the KE-Jetronic the duty cycle value refers to the square wave voltage’s ‘off’-time. A meter which
shows the ‘on’-time would, for instance, read 53% instead of the relevant 47%.
If you’re not sure which version your meter is: With ignition switched on (engine not running) the duty cycle should be
about 70% (California: 85%). If the meter shows about 30% (California: 15%), it’s probably the wrong version. And if,
while the engine is running, the fluctuating duty cycle drops when the adjustment screw is turned cw, it’s the right
version.
Voltmeter:
The voltage is converted to duty cycle according to the following formula:
duty cycle [%] = [1 - (Vp3 / Vp6)] * 100
Vp3 = voltage between X11 port 3 & port 2 (or ground)
Vp6 = (battery) voltage between X11 port 6 & port 2 (or ground) during the respective rev !
Example for a measurement at idle:
Vp3 (at idle): 7.1 - 7.6 V
Vp6 (at idle): 13.9 V
duty cycle at 7.1 V = [1 - (7.1 / 13.9)] * 100 = 48.9%
duty cycle at 7.6 V = [1 - (7.6 / 13.9)] * 100 = 45.3%
duty cycle mean value: (48.9% + 45.3%) / 2 = 47.1% (fluctuating with +/- 1.8%)
How hard can it be?

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bereng · Registered
B 300sl 1987
#9 · Feb 18, 2019
Oh, I have been wanting to find a ke guru and yes, test all parts one by one. I only find generic descriptive manuals
on internet. No diag, step by step, this is how you do it. Can't wait you post some threads so I can start pulling it! thx
107's wiki: http://w107.pbwiki.com
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B 1986 560SL 1986 420 SEL
Here are some great links to KE Jetronic diagonstics and testing inf. This is all from HD and IMHO one of the best
stories on the forum today is Bauk18's about changing a fuel filter and now no start.
Testing Air Flow Meter movability
https://www.benzworld.org/forums/w12...o-knows-3.html
Lambda and Duty Cycle

https://www.benzworld.org/forums/r-c...uty-cycle.html
CIS-jetronic.com manual
https://www.benzworld.org/forums/w12...o-knows-3.html“
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B 300sl 1987
#11 · Feb 19, 2019
Mmmm page not found on all of them...
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#12 · Feb 19, 2019

Biackbenz300se# said: 
...IMHO one of the best stories on the forum today is Bauk18's about changing a fuel filter and now no start.
Thank you, I do my best :grin
How hard can it be?

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bereng said: 
Mmmm page not found on all of them...
I guess I'm technically challenged!
But better yet read Bauk 18's thread. All of the links are in there. That's where I got them from.
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B 300sl 1987
#14 · Feb 21, 2019
Thx a lot!
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PanzerPuff · Premium Member

1987 560SL
Joined Jan 1, 2014 · 2,415 Posts
#15 · Feb 24, 2019
Bauk18 said: 
Yes, you measure DC on pin 2 and 3 of the X11 diag. socket at idle. Ignition on, engine off gives you also a static reading, 70 or
85% (85% = California spec). It's recommended to start with this reading as you can check that your DC meter is reading the off-
time of the DC and not the on-time. If you see 30 or 15% you know you are reading the on-time which will give you the wrong
indication of a problem.
Duty cycle meter:

Some duty cycle meters show the percentage of the square wave voltage’s ‘on’-time, and others show the percentage of its ‘off’-time.
In case of the KE-Jetronic the duty cycle value refers to the Click
squareto wave
expand...
voltage’s ‘off’-time A meter which shows the ‘on’-time would
So my Fluke 87V meter reads 30.2 with ignition on engine off (pic one). So I am reading on-time not off-time. With
engine running I get a duty cycle of 50.2% second pic. Does this mean my off-time reading is actually 49.8%? Is it
valid to use the on-time percentage minus 100 percent? If not, how do I get the right version as noted by HD?
Should I just tweak the adjustment to get to 50.0%? Is there a reference to a thread that explains this? Thanks for the
advice.
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#16 · Feb 24, 2019
PanzerPuff said: 
So my Fluke 87V meter reads 30.2 with ignition on engine off (pic one). So I am reading on-time not off-time. With engine running
I get a duty cycle of 50.2% second pic. Does this mean my off-time reading is actually 49.8%? Is it valid to use the on-time
percentage minus 100 percent? If not, how do I get the right version as noted by HD? Should I just tweak the adjustment to get to
50.0%? Is there a reference to a thread that explains this? Thanks for the advice.
To be sure what you Fluke is reading, I would suggest to calculate the DC manually with engine OFF / ignition ON
with the following formula:
The voltage is converted to duty cycle according to the following formula:

duty cycle [%] = [1 - (Vp3 / Vp6)] * 100
Vp3 = voltage between X11 port 3 & port 2 (or ground)
Vp6 = (battery) voltage between X11 port 6 & port 2 (or ground)
(credits@H.D.)
If you get the same % you know your are good, if not then your are indeed reading on-time, -100 gives you off-time,
but easier the switch to off-time on you Fluke, as it's a Fluke I can not imagine this is not possible.
EDIT: press the continuity beeper tone button to switch between on and off time.
Secondly, with engine@Idld, was your % fluctuating?
How hard can it be?

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See what readings you get if you put the common probe into pin #3 and positive into #2. I did this with my Klien
meter and get off time readings. But if I am mistaken please set me straight as I just got my meter, my first ever, for
Christmas. So I could be wrong.
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#18 · Feb 27, 2019
Bauk18 said: 
• 40%: no/false output voltage from POT Click to expand...
What is the meter reading that all is OK?
Carl
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#19 · Feb 27, 2019
cwmoser said: 
What is the meter reading that all is OK?
When the reading is not static.
If you have a fluctuating reading you know that the "inputs" like coolant temp, 02, full throttle etc are transmitting
their values properly to the ECU and being properly received by the ECU, but do remind this doesn't mean you have
a problem free CIS system, you can still have as vacuum leak for example, see my personal saga.
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B 300sl 1987
#20 · Feb 28, 2019
It's a pity they don't do hands on training + diag + repair either online or somewhere in the world. I found some in
Germany, but in German and only for professional qualified mechanics of Bosch services. I wouldn't mind spending
one week abroad if I get to master KE ie. Anybody has any leads?
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Discussion Starter · #1 · Feb 15, 2019

#2 · Feb 15, 2019 (Edited)

Bauk18 · Premium Member

#3 · Feb 16, 2019

• 0%: problem with the meter

How hard can it be?

#4 · Feb 16, 2019

Did not know you could read diagnostic codes.

Bauk18 · Premium Member

#5 · Feb 16, 2019

How hard can it be?

#6 · Feb 16, 2019 (Edited)

Also, is connection to Pins 2 and 3 ????

Discussion Starter · #7 · Feb 16, 2019

Bauk18 · Premium Member

#8 · Feb 16, 2019

Also, is connection to Pins 2 and 3 ????

Duty cycle meter:

How hard can it be?

#9 · Feb 18, 2019

Discussion Starter · #10 · Feb 18, 2019

Testing Air Flow Meter movability

Lambda and Duty Cycle

#11 · Feb 19, 2019

Mmmm page not found on all of them...

107's wiki: http://w107.pbwiki.com

Bauk18 · Premium Member

#12 · Feb 19, 2019

Thank you, I do my best :grin

How hard can it be?

Discussion Starter · #13 · Feb 20, 2019

I guess I'm technically challenged!

#14 · Feb 21, 2019

107's wiki: http://w107.pbwiki.com

PanzerPuff · Premium Member

#15 · Feb 24, 2019

Duty cycle meter:

Bauk18 · Premium Member

#16 · Feb 24, 2019

The voltage is converted to duty cycle according to the following formula:

Secondly, with engine@Idld, was your % fluctuating?

How hard can it be?

Discussion Starter · #17 · Feb 27, 2019

#18 · Feb 27, 2019

What is the meter reading that all is OK?

Bauk18 · Premium Member

#19 · Feb 27, 2019

When the reading is not static.

How hard can it be?

#20 · Feb 28, 2019

107's wiki: http://w107.pbwiki.com

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