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Posted 07 March 2016, 4:02 AM #1525091 (In Topic #203081)

Rabbit69 Hi,
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My '86 1.8 GTi cabriolet is nearing the end of it's refurbishment. The whole fuel
system from tank to injectors has been renewed and rebuilt but the garage now has
a problem with the cold start circuit. They have described the problem as " we need a
diagram to show where the wiring goes to and from the various items. I know the
wiring from the cold start injector goes back to the fuse box so I need a diagram that
shows specifically where it goes, failing that we will have to trace the wiring
physically".

Can anyone point me towards a suitable reference please?

any help much appreciated

Jonathan

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Posted 07 March 2016, 10:34 PM #1525237

rubjonny With the 5th injector thermoswitch in the flange on the front of the head, this has a
red/black which is starter cranking live which goes to a 2 male pin spade connector
behind the fusebox. The mating connector for it is a single pin female spade on the
fusebox yellow plug C pin 18.

the thermoswitch green/white goes to the 5th injector, providing the earth for it.
usually in the mk1 this goes from the 5th injector to the same 2 male pin spade
connector as above behind the fusebox, then back to the thermoswitch. you dont
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actually need to plug anything into this spade though, it does nothing.

for the 5th injector you have a cranking live which is either red/black, or black. if
red/black it goes to the 2 pin spade connector above as well, if black it goes to the
starter motor terminal 15a.

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Posted 07 March 2016, 11:12 PM #1525243

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Rabbit69 Thanks for the response, sounds pretty comprehensive to me but I dont have the car
here to put it into practice! I'll forward it on to the garage and see if it gives them what
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they need.

Much appreciated.

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Posted 08 March 2016, 3:17 AM #1525265

Rabbit69 Just a quick Q about your document store, is there a naming convention that would
let me filter on Mk1 Golf? I see 6n1 on some that I assume are Polo related?
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cheers
J

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Posted 08 March 2016, 6:40 PM #1525349

rubjonny I've got a mix with the naming convention, the older stuff will be mk1/2/3… or
g1/2/3… then as I get to know the VW chassis codes I start using them so 6n for
polo etc.

plus some of the diagrams are just named as found so golf91, jetta89 etc.  There
aren't many mk1 diagrams about on the internet as it happens, I had to scan the pre-
83 fusebox ones myself from the haynes. I'm planning to get the CE1 fusebox
diagrams out of it at some point as well since no-one seems to have any of those
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either!

the jetta89.pdf is for the CE1 fusebox which is the same one as used in the later mk1
golf, so it has some of what you need.  plus if you check the mk2 16v wiring diagram
g2krecuce1.pdf you can use that for the basic cold start wiring as its all the same for
the mk1 CE1 fusebox

if you have the older ceramic fusebox then use the g1wiring81gti.pdf

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Posted 09 March 2016, 2:44 AM #1525416

Rabbit69 OK, the garage are moving forward on this but have one question remaining:
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Where does the live feed for the cold start injector come from please? They assume
its from the ignition or a cranking feed from the starter motor. They think the wire is
black(!) at the injector but it has 0.2V on the meter so this seems to be the point
where the cold start is failing.

Really appreciative of the help so far this has moved us on a lot faster than having to
trace every wire through the loom.

cheers
J

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Posted 09 March 2016, 6:07 PM #1525496

rubjonny if the wire on the 5th injector (cold start injector) is black then it is fed from starter
pin 15a. if its red/black then it runs back to a male spade in a 2 pin plug behind the
fusebox along with the 5th injector thermoswitch red/black. Either way, it should see
12v when cranking on the starter as should the red/black on the 5th inj
thermoswitch.

note the 5th inj green/white should only be earthed when the engine is stone cold, as
soon as its been cranking for a bit or the engine warms the earth path is broken
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Posted 20 March 2016, 5:45 AM #1526853

Rabbit69 Just a quick update here. The car's running perfectly now, the garage found that a
wire from the starter motor had been cut and joined and the joining connector (I'm
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assuming a scotchlok) had corroded and broken the circuit. I'm collecting the car
next week and then need to only locate a new roof, get the interior refurbished and
then get the wheels sorted!

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Many thanks for your advice,
Jonathan

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Posted 20 March 2016, 5:59 AM #1526859

rubjonny good stuff

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Posted 20 March 2016, 10:46 PM #1526935

Briano1234

Rabbit69 said

I'm collecting the car next week and then need to only locate a new roof, get
the interior refurbished and then get the wheels sorted!

Many thanks for your advice,

Local Hero
Jonathan

And so it goes….. One thing after another…

We have all been there… Shoot, I am still debating on an interior scheme… But the top,
and all will be replaced again sometime later this month of I can get the time…

What do Divorces, Great Coffee, and Car Electrics all have in common?

They all start with GOOD Grounds.

Where are my DIY Links?

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Posted 20 March 2016, 11:11 PM #1526936

Rabbit69 Yep, its a long term project, I'm not expecting it will be properly finished for years!.
The cabriolet has the CC logo on the seats / door cards / roof lining so I'm hoping to
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keep as much of that as possible and where I cant I want to be sympathetic to it. 

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Posted 30 March 2016, 7:09 AM #1528255

Rabbit69 Sorry, didnt mean that to sound rude. Just have a massive list of things I need to fix!.
Any advice / contacts / sources you can think of could be really useful. I've had the
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car for almost 10 years but only started to rebuild in May last year.

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