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Wind on canopy roof (EC1)

Hello everyone!

I hope someone can help with the problem as stated in the title. Well it regards the calculation of wind for canopy (monopitch in my case) roof as per EN1991.

It states that for the design of structural members the "overall coefficient" should be used, and the "net coefficient" is for small elements and fixings. The code gives values for different roof slopes, but
the corresponding sketch confuses me.
The sketch gives a "concentrated" resultant force at d/4. But i cannot analyze a spatial structure according to this, or even do a separated analysis for purlins for that matter. It seems like this is for
some sort of preliminary analysis of the main load bearing system.

My question is how to get an area pressure from that load?

The reference area is the roof slope area (in my opinion), but since the force is in the last quarter of the slope it would seem that the reference area should be "half of the actual area". So only half of
the slope is loaded. (Assuming the load is actually uniformly distributed and triangular or what else)

Can this be correct? Can anyone explain please? Am I overlooking something?

Thanks!

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RE: Wind on canopy roof (EC1)

I had exactly the same problem last month. The code is super confusing.

See the sketch for regular flat roof (ec 7.2.2) coefficients are: -1.8, -1.2 and -0.7 in the first half of the roof and in the second half it is +0.2
So if you make an analogy to flat roof canopy - it has a coeff -1.3 on the *first* half...so it makes sense i guess.
Same goes for monopitched roofs, the second half is alyways much less loaded so maybe they ignore it because of that

So I basicly took the force and smeared it on "half of the actual area" as you said.
Also double checked with the old code that had much simpler wind loading to see if the values are close.

If you find a clear explanation please do share :)

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RE: Wind on canopy roof (EC1)

Dear DamirDz,

You can use the pressures provided by code for canopy for local elements.
For global action you'll have to use the forces.
The forces computed by using force coefficient are like this:
area[m2]*coeff*wind[kN/m2] = x [kN]
can be transformed into a linear distribution by simply not multiplying with depth so
length[m]*coeff*wind[kN/m2] = y [kN/m].

The thing is the code tries to provide an overturning moment by eccentrically placing the resulting global force. It also tries to provide a maximum pressures (uniform distribution) for local effects.
When subjected to wind loads the pressures will have all kind of distributions and the code considers as worst cases
- an unknown not uniform pressure distribution that can be transformed into an eccentrically force.
- maximum pressures values for different zones of the canopy

When dealing with canopy columns, foundation you should consider force, when dealing with
purlins consider pressure.

You can consider pressure coeff for foundations and column too.

By pressure I mean pressure and suction too.

Have a look also in ASCE 7-5, page 66 (pdf page 46) for a not uniform pressure distribution
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RE: Wind on canopy roof (EC1)

Thank you for your kind replies!

The eurocodes are in my opinion the most comprehensive code today, but at some points it s***s big time and lacks very important explanations. They should at least give references at the end which
they don't!
Anyway, back on subject, I looked at the ASCE wind for canopies even before I posted here, and they have it all "black&white", very simple: A&B cases for 2 directions, and the whole roof is loaded.
Which got me more confused about the EC1 clauses.

@LiviuM regarding local elements:

It is directly stated that cp,net should be used only for small elements and fixings, and other than that it is obvious from the coefficient values that it will give much higher loads. This is why i tried
avoid using it.
The other reason I didn't want to use the local load arrangement is because it gives the same distribution of load disregarding the sense of the wind (0 or 180 degrees) - it's the same for a monopitch
canopy which makes no sense for the load bearing structure! (it could make sense for a symmetrical duopitch roof).
And according to the sketch what should one use for the corners? B or C, or B+C?

In the end i figured using the d/4 and make of it a distributed load. Now what I will try is three cases:

1) uniformly distributed area load- only half the roof will be loaded, but I will have 4 wind load cases which will envelop the whole roof at the end (but eccentrically)

2) triangular area load - which I'm going to form from the resultant wind force (also 4 cases)

3) case as suggested by seb3k above - it will be the same as 1) but i will add +/- 0.2 for all 4 load cases (which will be somehow similar to ASCE)

I will post my observations when I'm done.

Best regards!

DamirDz

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RE: Wind on canopy roof (EC1)

@DamirDz:
Although I am not familiar with EC, I just wanted to remind you that ASCE 7 loads for corners are almost 3 times more than he average load
I think as an engineer's judgement you can apply this to your structure.
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