Vietnam August 2005

Lift Training
Lift Characteristics

• Load details
• Vector drive required
• Constant torque (torque load dependant)
• Lift regenerative on raising empty car
• Dynamic brake or Network Braking required

• Calculations
• Gearbox & Pulley system efficiencies
• Maximum mass of car & counter weight mass
• Lifting and lowering speed
• Acceleration & Deceleration rate

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General Arrangement
Encoder

Dynamic
Brake

Car

Supply

Counter
weight

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4 Quadrant Control- Motoring

+ Torque

Counter
weight

Car

Car with
full load

Motoring
- Speed + Speed

Motoring

Car

Counter
weight

Car with
no load
- Torque

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4 Quadrant Control- Regenerating

+ Torque

Coun
ter
weig Brake
ht
Car

Car with
full load

Regenerating
- Speed + Speed
Regenerating

Car
Brake

Counter
weight

Car with
no load
- Torque

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4 Quadrant Control

+ Torque

Coun
ter Counter
weig Brake weight
ht
Car Car

Car with Car with

full load full load

Regenerating Motoring
- Speed + Speed

Motoring Regenerating

Car Car
Brake

Counter Counter
weight weight

Car with Car with

no load no load
- Torque

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Example Calculation
Motor & gear box Inertia
Motor and gear box 0.034kg/m2
efficiency 90%
Idler pulley Inertia
System efficiency includes 0.006kg/m2
friction of car and
counterweight against guides,
cable and pulleys etc. 95%

Empty Car Cable mass

Mass 1270kg 100kg
Maximum load
Mass 580kg
Vertical Speed
1.6m/s

Acceleration Counter weight mass

0.8 m/s2 (car + ½ maximum
load) 1560kg

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 Equivalent Radius of Gyration
Car full load 1850 kg
Counter weight 1560 kg
Use equivalent radius to simplify calculations. Do not need
Vertical speed 1.6 m/s to know gearbox ratios, pulley or rope sizes. Uses inertia of
Acceleration 0.8 m/s2 a cylinder where all weight is effectively distributed around an
Motor 1500 RPM 11kW arc scribed by the equivalent radius.
Motor & G/Box Inertia 0.034kg/m2
Motor gearbox efficiency 90%
System efficiency 95%
1) Calculate the equivalent rotating inertia of the
car, counterweight & rope

Linear velocity (m/s)

Equivalent radius 
Angular velocity (rad/s)
1.6

(( 1500  60 )  2   )
 0.0102 m

Car Inertia  Mass  equivalent  radius

 ( 1850  1560  100 )  0.01022
 0.3652 k g / m 2
Counter
weight

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 Accelerating Power
Car full load 1850 kg
Counter weight 1560 kg 2) Calculate the power to accelerate the motor and gearbox
Vertical speed 1.6 m/s Inertia  Angular Velocity  Angular Acceleration
Acceleration 0.8 m/s2 PACCMoto r 
Motor 1500 RPM 11kW Efficiency
Motor & G/Box Inertia 0.034kg/m2
Motor gearbox efficiency 90% 157
System efficiency 95% 0.034 157 
 2
0.9
 465watts
3) Calculate the power to accelerate the car, counterweight, cables and
load
Inertia  Angular Velocity  Angular Acceleration
PACCsystem 
Efficiency
157
0.3652 157 
 2
Car 0.95
 4,737 watts
4) Total Accelerating power required
Counter
PACCTotal  4,737  465
weight
 5202watts

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 Total Power Requirement
Car full load 1850 kg
Counter weight 1560 kg 5) Calculate the worst case lifting or lowering power
Vertical speed 1.6 m/s requirement.
Acceleration 0.8 m/s2
Motor 1500 RPM 11kW
( Car  load  C / W )  Velocity  Gravity
Motor & G/Box Inertia 0.034kg/m2 PLift 
Motor gearbox efficiency 90% Efficiency
System efficiency 95%

1850  1560  1.6  9.81
0.95  0.9
 5416watts

6) Calculate the total power required.

PTotal  PAcceleration  PLift

This power is required
 (5.202  5.416)kW from the motor
 10.618kWatts
Car
The 11kW motor is just adequate but it does not allow a safety
factor for possible overload situations

Counter
weight

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 Regenerative Power
Car full load 1850 kg
7) Calculate the worst case lowering or lifting regenerative
Counter weight 1560 kg
Vertical speed 1.6 m/s
power.
Acceleration 0.8 m/s2
Motor 1500 RPM 11kW PRe gen  (CounterWeight  EmptyCar)  Velocity  Gravity  Efficiency
Motor & G/Box Inertia 0.034kg/m2
Motor gearbox efficiency 90%  1560  12701.6  9.81 0.95  0.9
System efficiency 95%
 3891watts

8) Calculate the decelerating regenerative power for system and motor

gearbox.
Inertia  Angular Velocity  Angular Acceleration
PDECsystem&Motor 
Efficiency

 0.034  0.3652157 
157
 0.9  0.95
2
Car
 4,206watts
9) Calculate the total regenerative power.
PRegen  PDEC  PLower
Counter  4,206  3891
weight This energy must be
 8,097 dissipated

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 Dynamic Brake Resistor Sizing
Car full load 1850 kg 10) Calculate maximum Brake Reistance
Counter weight 1560 kg
Vertical speed 1.6 m/s
V2
Acceleration 0.8 m/s2 Resistor 
Motor 1500 RPM 11kW Power
Motor & G/Box Inertia 0.034kg/m2
Motor gearbox efficiency 90%
7852
System efficiency 95% Re sistor 
8097
Points:  76
1) This is a maximum resistor resistance. Any increase in resistor
resistance means that the peak power of 8.097kW can not be
dissipated causing the Drive to fault on over voltage etc.

2) Peak regeneration occurs at maximum speed when accelerating or

decelerating when under regeneration. At half speed under the
same operating conditions power dissipation by the resistor will only
be 4kW.

Car 3) No allowance has been made for a car that could be overloaded!!

Counter
weight

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PDL Electronics Experiance
Schindler Elevators in New Zealand and Australia

Project : Elevator control retrofit applications.

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Schindler Requierments

• 4 adjustable ‘S’ curves

Smooth transitions

• Adaptive speed gains

Speed dependant response

• Pre-torque starting
No ‘roll back’

• Linear speed display in m/s.

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Main Requirement ‘S’ Curves

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 Some Jobs Completed by Napier
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9917 24/06/02 SCHNEIDER NZ CLIVE WILSON INVERCARGILL FIT EDNI MODULES

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 OEM Visits
• Control System
• OEM PCB Based Logic
• Standard Start Forward Start Reverse and Jog Control of the VSD
• Output Contactor

• Use Controller Inside

• Implement ‘S’ Curve Functionality within the Drive
• Use Drive Position on Limit Switch Functionality
• Use ATV71 Power Removal Function (No More Output Contactor?)
• Output Contactor Control for Safety Requirements

• Performance Requirements
• Needs to be Smooth
• Needs to be Fast

• Use Pretorque Functionality within Drive

• Speed PID Loop
• High Speed Hoisting
• External Poition Sensors

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OEM Visits

• Elecrical Equipment
• Do not used 1 supplier

• Use Schneider.
• Single Point of Contact.
• Schneider can Supply VSD, Contactors, Overloads, Brake Reistors,
Network Braking and Full Expertise with Considerable Experience.

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Thank You

Questions and Answers

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