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fornication before He died.” (ref. Trishreden, Poor, Cripple,
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4. “It does not matter how Christ behaved –

what He taught is all that matters” (ref.
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5. “[The commandments] only purpose is to

show man his impotence to do good and to
teach him to despair of himself” (ref:
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7. “If we allow them – the Commandments –
any in uence in our conscience, they become
the cloak of all evil, heresies and
blasphemies” (ref. Comm. ad Galat, p.310).
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9. “Good works are bad and are sin like the rest.”
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10. “There is no .scandal greater, more dangerous,
more venomous, than a good outward life,
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manifested by good works and a pious mode

of life. That is the grand portal, the highway
that leads to damnation.” (ref. Deni e’s
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les sources. Translation by J. Paquier (Paris,
A. Picard, 1912-13), VOl. II, pg. 128).
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MARTIN LUTHER ON THE

IMPORTANCE OF FREE-WILL
11. “…with regard to God, and in all that bears on

salvation or damnation, (man) has no ‘free-
will’, but is a captive, prisoner and bondslave,
either to the will of God, or to the will of
Satan.” (ref. From the essay, ‘Bondage of the
Will,’ ‘Martin Luther: Selections From His
Writings, ed. by Dillenberger, Anchor Books,
1962 p. 190).
12. “Man is like a horse. Does God leap into the

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goes and submits to the spurs and caprices of

its new rider… Therefore, necessity, not free
will, is the controlling principle of our
conduct. God is the author of what is evil as
well as of what is good, and, as He bestows
happiness on those who merit it not, so also
does He damn others who deserve not their
fate.” (ref. ‘De Servo Arbitrio’, 7, 113 seq.,
quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther,
TAN Books, 1987, pp. 266-267).
13. “His (Judas) will was the work of God; God by

His almighty power moved his will as He does
all that is in this world.” (ref. De servo
Arbitrio, against man’s free will).
14. “No good work happens as the result of one’s

own wisdom; but everything must happen in
a stupor . . . Reason must be left behind for it
is the enemy of faith.” (ref. Trischreden,
Weimer VI, 143, 25-35).
MARTIN LUTHER ON CHRISTIAN

LIVING
15. “Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but

let your trust in Christ be stronger, and
rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin,
death, and the world. We will commit sins
while we are here, for this life is not a place
where justice resides… No sin can separate us
from Him, even if we were to kill or commit
adultery thousands of times each day.” (ref.
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99, 1 Aug. 1521. – Cf. Also Deni e’s Luther et
Lutheranisme, Etude Faite d’apres les
sources. Translation by J. Paquier (Paris, A.
Picard, 1912-13), VOl. II, pg. 404))
16. “Do not ask anything of your conscience; and

if it speaks, do not listen to it; if it insists,
sti e it, amuse yourself; if necessary, commit
some good big sin, in order to drive it away.
Conscience is the voice of Satan, and it is
necessary always to do just the contrary of
what Satan wishes.” (ref. J. Dollinger, La
Reforme et les resultants qu’elle a produits.
(Trans. E. Perrot, Paris, Gaume, 1848-49), Vol
III, pg. 248).
MARTIN LUTHER ON CAPITAL

PUNISHMENT AND CHARITY
17. “If some were to teach doctrines

contradicting an article of faith clearly
grounded in Scripture and believed
throughout the world by all Christendom,
such as the articles we teach children in the
Creed — for example, if anyone were to teach
that Christ is not God, but a mere man and
like other prophets, as the Turks and the
Anabaptists hold — such teachers should not
be tolerated, but punished as blasphemers . . .
By this procedure no one is compelled to
believe, for he can still believe what he will;
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18. “That seditious articles of doctrine should be

punished by the sword needed no further
proof. For the rest, the Anabaptists hold
tenets relating to infant baptism, original sin,
and inspiration, which have no connection
with the Word of God, and are indeed
opposed to it . . . Secular authorities are also
bound to restrain and punish avowedly false
doctrine . . . For think what disaster would
ensue if children were not baptized? . . .
Besides this the Anabaptists separate
themselves from the churches . . . and they
set up a ministry and congregation of their
own, which is also contrary to the command
of God. From all this it becomes clear that the
secular authorities are bound . . . to in ict
corporal punishment on the offenders . . .
Also when it is a case of only upholding some
spiritual tenet, such as infant baptism,
original sin, and unnecessary separation,
then . . . we conclude that . . . the stubborn
sectaries must be put to death.” (ref.
pamphlet of 1536; in Johannes Janssen,
History of the German People From the Close
of the Middle Ages, 16 volumes, translated by
A.M. Christie, St. Louis: B. Herder, 1910 [orig.
1891]; Vol. X, 222-223)
MARTIN LUTHER ON SOCIAL

JUSTICE
19. “Peasants are no better than straw. They will

not hear the word and they are without sense;
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it is only what they deserve.” (ref. Erlangen

Vol 24, Pg. 294).
20. “To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping

to extinguish the con agration. Let there be
no half measures! Crush them! Cut their
throats! Trans x them. Leave no stone
unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a
mad dog!” – “If they say that I am very hard
and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever
can stab, strangle, and kill them like mad
dogs” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).
21. “Like the drivers of donkeys, who have to

belabor the donkeys incessantly with rods and
whips, or they will not obey, so must the ruler
do with the people; they must drive, beat
throttle, hang, burn, behead and torture, so
as to make themselves feared and to keep the
people in check.” (ref. Erlangen Vol 15, Pg.
276).
ADOLF HITLER MARTIN LUTHER ON

THE LOVE OF JEWS
22. “My advice, as I said earlier, is: First, that

their synagogues be burned down, and that
all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it
would be good if someone could also throw in
some hell re… Second, that all their books–
their prayer books, their Talmudic writings,
also the entire Bible– be taken from them,
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teach publicly among us and in our country…

Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the
name of God within our hearing. For we
cannot with a good conscience listen to this
or tolerate it… He who hears this name [God]
from a Jew must inform the authorities, or
else throw sow dung at him when he sees him
and chase him away”. (ref. Martin Luther; On
the Jews and Their Lies, translated by Martin
H. Bertram, Fortress Press, 1955).
23. “Burn their synagogues. Forbid them all that I

have mentioned above. Force them to work
and treat them with every kind of severity, as
Moses did in the desert and slew three
thousand… If that is no use, we must drive
them away like mad dogs, in order that we
may not be partakers of their abominable
blasphemy and of all their vices, and in order
that we may not deserve the anger of God and
be damned with them. I have done my duty.
Let everyone see how he does his. I am
excused.” (ref. About the Jews and Their Lies,’
quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther,
TAN Books, 1987, p. 290).
24. “If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to

the bridge of the Elbe, hang a stone round his
neck and push him over with the words I
baptize thee in the name of Abraham” (ref.
Grisar, “Luther”, Vol. V. pg. 413).
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MARTIN LUTHER ON THE SANCTITY

AND DIGNITY OF MARRIAGE
26. “If the husband is unwilling, there is another

who is; if the wife is unwilling, then let the
maid come.” (ref. Of Married Life).
27. “Suppose I should counsel the wife of an

impotent man, with his consent, to giver
herself to another, say her husband’s brother,
but to keep this marriage secret and to ascribe
the children to the so-called putative father.
The question is: Is such a women in a saved
state? I answer, certainly.” (ref. On Marriage).
28. “It is not in opposition to the Holy Scriptures

for a man to have several wives.” (ref. De
Wette, Vol. 2, p. 459).
29. “The word and work of God is quite clear, viz.,

that women are made to be either wives or
prostitutes.” (ref. On Married Life).
30. “In spite of all the good I say of married life, I

will not grant so much to nature as to admit
that there is no sin in it. .. no conjugal due is
ever rendered without sin. The matrimonial
duty is never performed without sin.” (ref.
Weimar, Vol 8. Pg. 654. In other words for
Luther the matrimonial act is “a sin differing
in nothing from adultery and fornication.”
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MARTIN LUTHER ON THE QUALITY

OF EDIFYING SPEECH
31. “What harm could it do if a man told a good

lusty lie in a worthy cause and for the sake of
the Christian Churches?” (ref. Lenz:
Briefwechsel, Vol. 1. Pg. 373).
32. “To lie in a case of necessity or for

convenience or in excuse – such lying would
not be against God; He was ready to take such
lies on Himself” (ref. Lenz: Briefwechsel, Vol.
1. Pg. 375).
MARTIN LUTHER ON HUMILITY
33. “St. Augustine or St. Ambrosius cannot be

compared with me.” (ref. Erlangen, Vol. 61,
pg. 422).
34. “What I teach and write remains true even

though the whole world should fall to pieces
over it” (ref. Weimar, Vol. 18, Pg. 401).
MARTIN LUTHER ON THE VALUE OF

SACRED SCRIPTURE
35. “To my mind it (the book of the Apocalypse)

bears upon it no marks of an apostolic or
prophetic character… Everyone may form his
own judgment of this book; as for myself, I
feel an aversion to it, and to me this is
suf cient reason for rejecting it.” (ref.
ammtliche Werke, 63, pp. 169-170, ‘The Facts
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36. “If your Papist annoys you with the word

(‘alone’ – Rom. 3:28), tell him straightway,
Dr. Martin Luther will have it so: Papist and
ass are one and the same thing. Whoever will
not have my translation, let him give it the
go-by: the devil’s thanks to him who censures
it without my will and knowledge. Luther will
have it so, and he is a doctor above all the
doctors in Popedom.” (ref. Amic. Discussion,
1, 127,’The Facts About Luther,’ O’Hare, TAN
Books, 1987, p. 201. Cf. Also J. Dollinger, La
Reforme et les resultants qu’elle a produits.
(Trans. E. Perrot, Paris, Gaume, 1848-49), Vol
III, pg. 138).
37. “The history of Jonah is so monstrous that it

is absolutely incredible.” (ref. The Facts
About Luther, O’Hare, TAN Books, 1987, p.
202).
38. “…the epistle of St. James is an epistle full of

straw, because it contains nothing
evangelical.” (ref. ‘Preface to the New
Testament,’ ed. Dillenberger, p. 19. – Cf. Also
Jean Janssen, L’Allemagne et la Reforme.
(Trans. E. Paris, Plon, 1887-1911). Vol II, Pg.
218).
– For more great quotes from the Father of

Protestantism visit Luther, Exposing the Myth.
Also check out my book Dead on Arrival: The
Seven Fatal Errors of Sola-Scriptura.

9/16/13 – ADDENDUM:
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though you can nd all of these quotes
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publication, has received a lot of attention from

our brothers and sisters in the protesting
community. I have read all of the comments to
the blogs and messages boards that are linked to
this article, and here are some of their
conclusions. (1) The book Table Talk is not a
reliable reference for Martin Luther’s work
(ONLY TWO quotes above come from Table
Talk). (2) There is a problem with the
translation of some of the quotes, because some
are from German or Latin to French to English,
rather than from German or Latin to English. (4)
Luther’s violent comments against the peasants
are to be contextualized in light of the Peasant
Revolt of which he sided with the German
Princes. (5) Luther’s violent comments against
the Jews are to be contextualized in light of his
disappointment that they didn’t receive his
reformulation of the Gospel. (6) Luther’s
comments against Scripture are true. (7)
Luther’s comments against monogamous
marriage are true (probably). (8) Luther’s violent
comments against the Anabaptists are true, (9)
Luther’s comments against the Catholic
understanding of Freewill are true, and (10) The
only writings of Luther that conservative
Lutheran pastors are required to subscribe to
(because they strictly re ect biblical doctrine)
are the Small Catechism, the Large Catechism
and the Smalkald Articles.
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James Swan of William Paterson University, has
written a detailed critique of. In crafting this

compilation I considered Swan’s response, and I
ended up not including many of the quotes that
he had a good case against. In some cases Swan
was spot on, but in other cases he would have
been much better off not trying to contextualize
or excuse Luther. In those cases, Swan’s
intellectually honesty is betrayed by his passion
for Luther.
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The SEED • 6 years ago

now this article has made it clear to me that protestantism is
the root of all that is happening in society today: legalization
of prostitution and abortion. he promoted lies and the
breaking of the ten commandments. he is that one step
towards atheism. and i pray that our protestant brothers see
this before it's too late. thank you, david! praise God! may
He bless you with more wisdom to share.
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milan.lorinc1 • 3 months ago • edited

Mr. David Gray, not only James Swan but also I have to speak
on defence of Dr. Martin Luther..
Yeah it's true that Martin Luther was very passionate man. We
could speak about his sanguinic- choleric nature, being very
impulsive... Great passion of His led him to many statements of
these which for many people may sound either disgusting,
improper, or thoroughly unacceptable. However if I have to
criticize someone, then it's rather author of this article, than
Luther himself. It's all about to picking up and isolate many
Luther's comments out of their proper context, they been
uttered in. No wonder that out-of-context and isolated
statements of Luther naturally sound quite extremist..
But again now I blame not Luther, but author of this article for
biased view of Luther..
There are two groups of Luther's statements to comment..

First group are Luther's comments which is of dubious origin.
Especially those 2 table-talk alleged statements of Luther I can't
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Joan P. • 3 years ago

David, have you read The Facts About Luther by Msgr. Patrick F.
O'Hare, LL.D. (Tan)? He has all of these and more plus many
resources both Protestant and Catholic. It's a must read for
Catholics and dare I suggest Protestants? P.S. Love your site.
David L. Gray Chief > Joan P. • 3 years ago

Yeah, I saw it before on their website, but never bought it
or read it. Thanks for the recommendation!!! I'll have to
put it on my list.
Marsizoe • 3 years ago

Why didn't anyone tell me Sign
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Luther when I left
the Catholic church and went to Lutheranism? I had no idea. I
would never have done it. I hate what Martin Luther taught
about sinning "freely". I listened to SUBSCRIBE
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catholic. Why didn't others step in and tell me this? I want to be
cat o c. W y d d t ot e s step a d te e t s? wa t to be
Catholic again.
David L. Gray Chief > Marsizoe • 3 years ago

Never too late to come home Marsizoe, just speak a good
priest and receive the Sacrament of Penance and
Reconciliation my friend!
karinmurphy • 3 years ago • edited

David, thank you for the time and love you have put into all your
research and organizing these facts. Most Christians are not
aware of the history of our faith and why we believe as we do.
Neither do many know how the church was formed and later
divided. Looking to Martin Luther's own writings, his heresy is
undeniable and points quite clearly in my opinion, that Christ
truly intended his church to be One, Universal and Catholic. God
bless you!
David L. Gray Chief > karinmurphy • 3 years ago
Thank you Karin! Blessings and Shalom!

Ben • 3 years ago

The items under Capital Punishment and Charity are ridiculous
only because they are based on Sola Scriptura, which is not an
objective basis for judging truth or falsehood of doctrine. The
Catholic Church affirms that toleration of false religions and
religious ideas should only be done to prevent a greater evil or
obtain a greater good.
From the Syllabus of Errors of Bl. Pius IX:
"X. ERRORS HAVING REFERENCE TO MODERN

LIBERALISM
77. In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic

religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the
exclusion of all other forms of worship. -- Allocution "Nemo
vestrum," July 26, 1855.
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countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the
public exercise of their own peculiar worship. -- Allocution
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79. Moreover, it is false that the civil liberty of every form of

worship, and the full power, given to all, of overtly and publicly
manifesting any opinions whatsoever and thoughts, conduce
more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people, and
to propagate the pest of indifferentism. -- Allocution "Nunquam
fore," Dec. 15, 1856.
80. The Roman Pontiff can, and ought to, reconcile himself, and
come to terms with progress, liberalism and modern
civilization.- -Allocution "Jamdudum cernimus," March 18,
1861."
Edward Griffiths • 3 years ago

The featured comment above which presumably refers to Luther
when it says he promoted lies and the breaking of the Ten
Commandments is untrue. Luther taught correctly the theology
of Paul that we're justified through faith alone and that good
works don't render us righteous before God. However Luther
also taught that unless faith produces good works then it isn't
genuine faith, and also that it's necessary to keep the
Commandments in order to retain the Holy Spirit and faith.
Here's a quote from Luther to that effect:
"It is, accordingly, necessary to know and to teach that when

holy men, still having and feeling original sin, also daily
repenting of and striving with it, happen to fall into manifest
sins, as David into adultery, murder, and blasphemy, that then
faith and the Holy Ghost has departed from them [they cast out
faith and the Holy Ghost]. For the Holy Ghost does not permit
sin to have dominion, to gain the upper hand so as to be
accomplished, but represses and restrains it so that it must not
do what it wishes. But if it does what it wishes, the Holy Ghost
and faith are [certainly] not present. For St. John says, 1 John
3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, ... and he
cannot sin. And yet it is also the truth when the same St. John
says, 1:8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and
the truth is not in us". (from the Smalcald Articles)
Many of the quotes in this article are taken out of context and
give a very misleading impression. If the context was understood
then a different conclusion would be reached.
As for the idea that Luther is responsible for the state of modern
liberal Protestantism with its approval of homosexuality and
abortion etc that is complete nonsense. Luther taught all the
Commandments as can be seen from his catechisms. Modern
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liberal Protestantism is a form of apostasy and you have a
liberal Protestantism is a form of apostasy and you have a
similar situation within Roman Catholicism with its belief that
atheists can be saved if they do good. This directly contradicts
the Bible which teaches that only those who trust in Christ as
their Saviour can be saved.
Darron Berrie > Edward Griffiths • 3 years ago

The only instance of "faith alone" I find in the Biblical
text is this one:
James 2:24--New American Standard Bible (NASB)

24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by
faith alone.
SolusChristus > Darron Berrie • 5 months ago

Read all of Chapter 2, you will see the context.
Also St. Augustine mentions faith alone on his
commentary.
David L. Gray Chief > Edward Griffiths • 3 years ago
Where do you get that the Catholic Church teaches that

Atheist will be saved of they do good work? Are you
taking the musings of Francis as Dogma?
By the way, Luther taught on favor of polygamy.
As for how those outside the Catholic Church interpret

the short form of the book WE canonized, that's not up
for debate. You can't tell the Catholic Church how to
interpret their own book.
Edward Griffiths > David L. Gray • 3 years ago

The catechism of your church says that those who
don't know Christ and his Gospel can be saved if
they act according to their conscience which is
works righteousness and rejected in the Bible.
Also your pope has said recently that atheists are
capable of being saved which again is completely
opposed to the teaching of Christ and the
Apostles. So you have the leader of your church
spouting
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catholics will lap it up and believe it, even if it
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Also with respect to the Bible the idea that

heretical papists, which is what Roman Catholics
are, own the Bible as their book is nonsense. The
original authors the Apostles weren't papists.
Christ didn't establish the papacy and make Peter
a pope. That's just false teaching based on lies and
misinterpretation of Scripture. The original
authors of the Scriptures, like Paul, taught
justification through grace and faith alone which
means that the RC gospel is a false one which will
lead people to hell.
David L. Gray Chief > Edward Griffiths

• 3 years ago
So you skip over everything the Catechism
has to say about the necessity, source, and
means of the Salvation and go to the
sections of the Catechism dealing with
Moral Conscience? LOL
As for the Pope, we are not a religion of

the Pope. The Pope can say whatever he
wants, but it doesn't make it true.
Nevertheless, Pope Francis isn't a
theologian - he is a pastor. He speaks very
informally and without precision.
That being said, do you think the Church

has ever changed Her teaching on their
being no salvation outside of the Catholic
Church? Absolutely not, but what Vatican
II affirmed was that we don't know who all
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• 3 years ago
The papacy as an institution only
developed in later centuries well after the
time of the Apostles. Although the bishop
of Rome in the early centuries was looked
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wasn't accorded any universal jurisdiction
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happened later when successive bishops
happened later when successive bishops
became power hungry and through
intrigue managed to gain control. The
history of the papacy is one of popes
becoming more and more tyrannical and
megalomaniacal until they were insisting
that no one could be saved unless they
submitted to them as God’s
representatives. The thing is none of this
can be derived from the New Testament.
The papacy is read into the text. It's not
there in reality.
So Roman Catholics today aren't the

original catholic Christians who existed in
the church prior to the development of the
papacy. Roman Catholics are papists i.e.
they believe in the papacy and regard the
pope as their spiritual leader.
The idea that Peter should be lord of the

Church was specifically ruled out by Christ
when the disciples were discussing
amongst themselves who was the greatest.
Christ's answer was that no one was to
assume a higher status than the others and
that all should be equal in that respect. If
Peter was going to be selected (or had
been selected) by Christ as lord of the
Church then Christ would have told them
that Peter was the greatest, but He did no
such thing.
A dispute also arose among them, as to

which of them was to be regarded as the
greatest. And he said to them, “The kings
of the Gentiles exercise lordship over
them, and those in authority over them are
called benefactors. But not so with you.
Rather, let the greatest among you become
as the youngest, and the leader as one who
serves. (Luke 22:24-26 ESV).
YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS. . • 3 years ago
Again, your contradicting Ignatius of
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Antioch, Clement of Rome, Irenaeus of
Lyons, Justin Martyr. I asked you to

explain their opposition to you, but you
didn't. You are also rejecting John's
Gospel, which was written will after the
Synoptics, and clearly has Jesus entrusting
Peter with a unique role, even greater than
the Apostle John.
Further, you demonstrate no knowledge of

the role of the Pope (you call him Lord).
You show no knowledge of Church
History. Offer no Patristics sources to
support your verbal meanderings. Fail to
connect the unique teachings of the first
century Church with the only Church
which is still teaching them today. You
ignore or don't know the clear paper trail
of evidence that connects one with the
other.
Moreover, you're just talking without any

degree of precision that can either
persuade or convince me that you are a
truth seeker, or a person who is has the
depth of knowledge that is worth my time
to discourse with.
I admire your effort here, but all of your

points have already been refuted in my
apologetic articles on this site. I hardly feel
inclined to draw from them to engage with
a person who is not a truth seeker.
How do I know you're not one? You don't

ask questions. You presume to know
without knowing what you don't know. Be
humble and little at all times.

• 3 years ago
Are you aware that the foremost Christian
leader of antiquity St Augustine who had
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that Peter cations
the rock
retracted this in later life and from then on
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Church is built is Christ? Here is a quote
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"But whom say ye that I am? Peter

answered, ‘Thou art the Christ, The Son of
the living God.’ One for many gave the
answer, Unity in many. Then said the Lord
to him, ‘Blessed art thou, Simon Barjonas:
for flesh and blood hath not revealed it
unto thee, but My Father which is in
heaven.’ Then He added, ‘and I say unto
thee.’ As if He had said, ‘Because thou hast
said unto Me, “Thou art the Christ the Son
of the living God;” I also say unto thee,
“Thou art Peter.” ’ For before he was called
Simon. Now this name of Peter was given
him by the Lord, and in a figure, that he
should signify the Church. For seeing that
Christ is the rock (Petra), Peter is the
Christian people. For the rock (Petra) is
the original name. Therefore Peter is so
called from the rock; not the rock from
Peter; as Christ is not called Christ from
the Christian, but the Christian from
Christ. ‘Therefore,’ he saith, ‘Thou art
Peter; and upon this Rock’ which Thou
hast confessed, upon this rock which Thou
hast acknowledged, saying, ‘Thou art the
Christ, the Son of the living God, will I
build My Church;’ that is upon Myself, the
Son of the living God, ‘will I build My
Church.’ I will build thee upon Myself, not
Myself upon Thee. For men who wished to
be built upon men, said, ‘I am of Paul; and
I of Apollos; and I of Cephas,’ who is Peter.
But others who did not wish to built upon
Peter, but upon the Rock, said, ‘But I am
of Christ.’ And when the Apostle Paul
ascertained that he was chosen, and Christ
despised, he said, ‘Is Christ divided? was
Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized
in the name of Paul?’ And, as not in the
name of Paul, so neither in the name of
Peter; but in the name of Christ: that Peter
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pronounced ‘blessed,’ bearing the figure of
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the Church." Source: Philip Schaff, Nicene
and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids:

Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VI, St.
Augustine, Sermon XXVI.1-4, pp. 340-
341).

• 3 years ago • edited
Saint Augustine also believed the world
was FLAT. In the 2,000 years of the
Catholic Church you will find various
opinions and interpretations, especially on
issues that aren't DOGMA. St. Jerome
didn't like the Septuagint. St. Thomas
Aquinas thought abortion was fine in the
first trimester. You, yourself, even loosely
quoted Pope Francis saying something
ridiculous.
What you have to look at is the consistent

teaching for 2,000 years. Saint Augustine
was a Catholic Bishop. He never denied
that the Bishop of Rome is the successor of
Peter. He never denied Apostolic
Succession or the Sacrament of Holy
Orders. That he seems to have offered a
new interpretation of his previous
interpretation proves that he doesn't think
he himself infallible.
Again, let's begin with the people who

actually knew Peter, Paul and John. What
did they teach? Let's look at their teaching
on the Holy Eucharist, the necessity of
Baptism, Apostolic Succession, Prayers for
the Dead, and all those other odd Catholic
teachings and then compare them to what
the Catholic Church teaches today? Are
they the same? Can we find those teaching
consistently for the past 2,000 years? Has
there been a change in teaching on FAITH
and MORALS?
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a miracle and a
sign that God is with Her. For, there is no
way a human institution can survive this
long and remain unchanged on their
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teachings on faith and morals. There is no
teac gs o a t a d o a s. e e s o
way a purely human institution can outlive
every government, heresy, enemy within
and religion that has tried destroy it. The
gates of Hell have yet to prevail against
Her, because Christ promised that it
wouldn't.
Now, look at Protestantism. It began

dividing as soon at it was birthed from lies
and violence. It has no resemblance of the
oneness of God. There is no consistency of
faith and morals for its 500 years.
Protestantism is not a miracle and it has
no evidence of God being with it, being
that the gates of Hell has always prevailed
against it.

• 3 years ago
The gates of hell have prevailed against the
popes and their followers because they've
left the true path and have invented man
made doctrines about purgatory, the mass
being a sacrifice, justification through
faith and works (in defiance of Paul’s
teaching in Romans 3 & 4 for example),
introduced the cult of the Virgin Mary etc.
The true Church consisting of the sum
total of everyone with true faith (and since
a person's faith can't be observed the
Church is invisible) is united with Christ,
but this is distinct from the popes and
their followers who are a false church. The
fact that the papacy has endured for
hundreds of years doesn't qualify it as a
divine institution. Since the papacy is the
Antichrist it will remain until the second
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David L. Gray
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YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS. . Every named teaching you mentioned in

the first paragraph can be found in the
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2nd and 3rd Century I know you are
2nd and 3rd Century. I know you are
working with a Protestant understanding
of what the Church teaches about
Justification, but as the Joint Declaration
with Catholics and Lutherans
demonstrated is that Catholics and
Protestants are working with two different
definitions of the same word. Therefore,
you and cannot agree on a term unless we
agree on meaning of a term. LOL
This is what I don't debate Protestants.

After my conversion from Agnosticism to
Protestantism, I took the time to read and
understand 500 years worth of thought on
that religion. Then when I converted to
Catholicism, I took the time, and still am,
to read and understand 2,000 years worth
of thought on that religion. People like you
want to debate people like me without
doing your homework.
You offer up Luther as if he knew anything

about Catholicism. LOL The dude was a
lunatic who should have never been
ordained. Thank God he showed us why
we needed to create a seminary system
before ordaining people. We are not a
religion of a Pope. LOL Luther was stupid.
Never trust the opinion of a person who
taught in favor of polygamy.
There is a possibility of being able to

converse intelligently, but not when you
are just throwing out bombs. You sounds
like Pink. How can anyone respect your
perspective if you can't dialogue
intelligently? You're just talking and you
create stawman arguments like they are in
fashion. You offer you own spin on history
that contradicts itself.
I do encourage you to visit my article,

"Anti-Catholic
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• 3 years ago
Luther said in a letter to Clemens Ursinus
(a pastor) in 1527: "Polygamy, which in
former times was permitted to the Jews
and Gentiles, cannot be honestly approved
of among Christians, and cannot be
engaged in with a good conscience, unless
in an extreme case of necessity, as, for
instance, when one of the spouses is
separated from the other by leprosy or for
a similar cause”. So you need to get your
facts straight before you make accusations
against Luther. He didn’t teach in favour
of polygamy.
Also Luther was a doctor of theology and

far more knowledgeable about Catholicism
than yourself. Compared to him I don’t
mind admitting I’m an ignoramus.
However I’ll try to defend him from your
unreasonable attacks if I can. Also after
reading your description of your
conversion where you heard a voice
speaking to you this demonstrated to me
your gullibility and failure to recognise the
deceptions of Satan. Unfortunately you’ve
been deceived and this explains your
fanatical attachment to Roman
Catholicism.
The Joint Declaration I agree was a sham.

It was agreed between liberal (i.e. false)
Lutherans and Catholics. It’s a deception
which both sides adhere to because it gives
the appearance of convergence and
agreement. I reject it.
I’ve read some of your articles but don’t

agree with your arguments. Sola Scriptura
is the true basis for all doctrine (which was
accepted by the early church fathers) and
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Roman Catholicism, like justification
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because they contradict Scripture. Even if
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some of the early church fathers did
endorse some aspects of Catholic false

doctrines it only means they were fallible
humans who were prone to error.
However they would no doubt have
admitted their errors if confronted, unlike
Roman Catholics who stick firmly to them
and refuse to be corrected.

We are working off the same quote. You
are saying that even though Luther clearly
makes an allowance for polygamy in a
specific case, that he didn't teach in favor
of it? He gives a clear senario when you
can commit adultery against your spouse
and you are going to excuse that? Do you
excuse that he edited Romans to agree
with him?
About Luther's knowledge of Catholicism.

As I said, it wasn't until the Council of
Trent when the Church to formation of
priest seriously, thanks to Luther.
Evidence of Luther's ignorance is the fact
he never read Aquinas, but read what
Occam said about Aquinas, which was a
great distortion. If he had read Aquinas,
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• 3 years ago
With respect to Luther’s comments on
polygamy in the quote I gave, Luther said
that it can’t be honestly approved of or
engaged in with a good conscience, which
is the reverse of your statement that
Luther taught in favour of it. Any casual
reader of your statement would assume
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the case we’d have to conclude that the
the case we d have to conclude that the
Patriarchs like Abraham were adulterers.
Also the idea that when Luther edited

Romans by the addition of the word
“alone” (to make it clear that justification
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stevie_wander > Edward Griffiths

• a year ago
I agree with a lot of your views but I think
you're wrong here. To say that God doesn't
directly communicate with his own in
modern times is incorrect, for Jesus says
as much many times throughout the New
Testament. And to stick up for Martin
Luther seems a little futile to me. He was,
as David mentioned, a bit of a lunatic.
However, I think the RCC is WAY off the
track because they're not being led by the
Holy Spirit and haven't been for a long,
long time. There's nothing in the Bible
about purgatory or the immaculate
conception, or veneration of the saints.
And since David realizes Luther was a
lunatic who's to say that many of the
"church fathers" weren't misled as well?
David L. Gray Chief > stevie_wander

• a year ago
Please don't judge Catholicism by
Protestant standards. That's just judging a
football game by baseball rules. There are
two completely different religions.
Therefore, when you say you can't find
purgatory mentioned in your bible that is
missing seven of our books, two things you
have to realize. 1. The Catholic Church put
the Bible together; therefore, we agree
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g g
around for centuries before we put our
Bible together and we didn't put it
together to be some sort of systematic
theology book. It was put together
primarily for continuity for readings at
Mass. Therefore, please don't tell us to
believe ONLY the Bible, when we predate
our Bible. Revelation for us comes via
Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. It
is a much broader revelation of God than
Protestants have with just a Catholic Bible
with seven missing books.

Oh.... I see. It's the Protestant
understanding of the Papacy for you? You
are hung up about what even Catholics DO
NOT believe about the Papacy? LMBO
Divine Institution? Believing in the
Papacy?
On that note, I respectfully bow out my

friend. You are not even close to being able
to converse with me on these things, based
upon what you've demonstrated so far.
Blessings and Shalom!
“There are not a hundred people in

America who hate the Catholic Church.
There are millions of people who hate
what they wrongly believe to be the
Catholic Church — which is, of course,
quite a different thing.” Cardinal Fulton J.
Sheen
Kelly Strauss > David L. Gray

• a year ago
Thank you.... keep on speaking Truth!!!
• 3 years ago
To clarify: by divine institution I mean a
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believe that the papacy was brought into
believe that the papacy was brought into
existence through Christ making Peter the
first pope, and that through apostolic
succession Peter passed on his imagined
authority to all of his alleged successors
the popes. So since you believe that the
papacy is God’s way of governing the
church and that the popes have universal
authority over the whole church you
therefore, to put it succinctly, believe in
the papacy and believe it’s a divine
institution.
There’s obviously a terminology issue

between us in that you appear unfamiliar
with the language some non-catholics use
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• 3 years ago
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• 3 years ago
One tip. Notice how EVERY heresy against
Catholicism was an attack on the
Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist. Satan is
obsessed with it. Even in John 6, Jesus
loses His whole following over that
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(ref. Weimar, Vol. 1, Pg. 487. Cf. Table Talk,

2. “Christ committed adultery rst of all with

‘Whatever has He been doing with her?’

dismissed so lightly. Thus even, Christ who

4. “It does not matter how Christ behaved –

5. “[The commandments] only purpose is to

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MARTIN LUTHER ON THE

11. “…with regard to God, and in all that bears on

12. “Man is like a horse. Does God leap into the

goes and submits to the spurs and caprices of

13. “His (Judas) will was the work of God; God by

14. “No good work happens as the result of one’s

MARTIN LUTHER ON CHRISTIAN

15. “Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but

Luther’s Saemmtliche Schriften, Letter No.

16. “Do not ask anything of your conscience; and

MARTIN LUTHER ON CAPITAL

17. “If some were to teach doctrines

18. “That seditious articles of doctrine should be

MARTIN LUTHER ON SOCIAL

19. “Peasants are no better than straw. They will

it is only what they deserve.” (ref. Erlangen

20. “To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping

21. “Like the drivers of donkeys, who have to

ADOLF HITLER MARTIN LUTHER ON

22. “My advice, as I said earlier, is: First, that

teach publicly among us and in our country…

23. “Burn their synagogues. Forbid them all that I

24. “If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to

25. “The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows

MARTIN LUTHER ON THE SANCTITY

26. “If the husband is unwilling, there is another

27. “Suppose I should counsel the wife of an

28. “It is not in opposition to the Holy Scriptures

29. “The word and work of God is quite clear, viz.,

30. “In spite of all the good I say of married life, I

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MARTIN LUTHER ON THE QUALITY

31. “What harm could it do if a man told a good

32. “To lie in a case of necessity or for

MARTIN LUTHER ON HUMILITY

33. “St. Augustine or St. Ambrosius cannot be

34. “What I teach and write remains true even

MARTIN LUTHER ON THE VALUE OF

35. “To my mind it (the book of the Apocalypse)

36. “If your Papist annoys you with the word

37. “The history of Jonah is so monstrous that it

38. “…the epistle of St. James is an epistle full of

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