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Question for EXP loadcase on B31.3 code #70129 10/10/17 02:29 AM
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07/13/10 I have confusion point for EXP load combinations on B31.3 code.
Posts: 7 Generally we use load combination as below on piping analysis. 1 registered (Faizal K),
Loc: etc L1) [OPE] W+T1+P1 32 Guests and 1
L2) [OPE] W+T2+P1 Spider online.
L3) [SUS] W+P1
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L4) [EXP] L1L3 Mod
L5) [EXP] L2L3

L6) [EXP] L4L5 ( for Cold pipe line ) March

Su M Tu W Th F Sa
My questions are for L4~L6.
1 2
First, L4 and L5 case are used on piping stress check. But, I want to 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
know why dead load (W) is not included in these EXP case. I think that 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
only thermal case without dead load will not occur on site. I think this
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EXP case is not realistic. Is it specified on B31.3 code why we should use
this load case? 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
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Second, I think that L6 case also is not realistic. If stress ratio of L4 is
90%, and stress ratio of L5 is 50%, L6 load case will be failure with Forum Stats
140%. (I assume that L4 is hot temperature, and L5 is cold
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temperature.)
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Is it specified on B31.3 code why we should use this load case?
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Could someone please resolve my confusion?

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Re: Question for EXP loadcase on B31.3 code [Re: #70137 10/10/17 09:57 AM
SpMangak]
Michael_Fletcher
To answer your first question:

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Because you're trying to answer the question "what are my stresses

due to thermal expansion?" My allowable stress for this is
Registered: 01/29/10
Posts: 671 100%S.The allowable stress for dead weight effects is much lower,
Loc: Louisiana, US hence the sustained case.

Before I answer your second question:

It is not just "hot case" "minus" "cold case." To meet code
requirements, this applies to other cases, such as "Pump 1
operating" vs "Pump 2 operating" vs "Pumps 1 and 2 operating."
There are examples in the code that describe this.

To answer your second question, here's an example:

I have an anchor, an element, and a support. Node 1020, anchor
and a +Y. I installed it at standard conditions. 70Â°F if in US, 20Â°F
if somewhere else.

(For sake of example, you can imagine node 10 is a pump, and node
20 is the first support.)

I activate the pipe. Because it gets hot, it grows. It exerts a force on
my pump nozzle and it exerts a force on the support due to friction.

With me so far?
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Now it rains. Or my pump gets to vibrating. Now that friction "goes
away" due to slip. That support, due to its internal moments and
forces moves on its own to its original position, but my pump is still
hot, as is my pipe.

Now, in the dead of winter, I turn it all off and let it cool down to
minimum ambient (which for me might be 15Â°F). When the pipe
goes from hot to "normal" ambient conditions (70Â°F), you'll have
as much force acting on that support as you initially did when you
turned it on, but in the opposite direction. But, we're not done. It's
going all the way down to 15Â°F.

I hope that clears it up.
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Re: Question for EXP loadcase on B31.3 code [Re: #70138 10/10/17 02:31 PM
SpMangak]
Dave Diehl
I question your LC6. I think you want that to be L1L2.

Member The B31.3 code provides two, distinct, evaluations one for system
collapse and a separate check against fatigue failure. There is no
Registered:
evaluation of state of stress for the combined loads (i.e., operating
12/14/99

Posts: 2356 stress). Our SUS & OCC stress types are limited by yield and our EXP
Loc: Houston, TX, stress ranges are limited by an adjusted fatigue limit.
USA
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SpMangak]
Stress_Admirer
I will only answer your first question on Expansion stress range.

Member

The self limiting stresses in piping systems are essentially cyclic and
Registered: 01/27/10
Posts: 41 the initial hot stresses, if they are of sufficient magnitude, will
Loc: Australia decrease with time because of the plastic strains and will reappear as
a stress of reversed direction when the pipe cools.

This phenomenon forms the basic difference self limiting stresses and
the sustained stresses from weight and pressure.

Plastic strains can decrease the magnitude of thermal stresses by a
change in the shape of the pipe centreline. This change in shape has
no effect on sustained weight and pressure stresses. For this reason
sustained stresses are limited to the design stress at the highest
operating temperature.

This phenomenon is called self springing of the pipe and is similar to
the effect of cold springing the pipe. The degree of self springing will
depend on the magnitude of the initial hot stresses and the
temperature, so that while the hot stresses will gradually decrease
with time, the sum of the hot and cold stresses will stay the same.
This sum we call the "EXPANSION STRESS RANGE"

Because it is the sum of hot and cold stresses no reduction can be
taken for any coldspring applied during erection. The concept of a
constant expansion stress range leads us on to the selection of an
allowable expansion stress range. Since self springing occurs at the
higher temperature then the maximum stresses must

occur in the cold condition. From this we must calculate our stresses
to the cold modulus of elasticity.

For materials below the creep range the allowable stresses are 62.5%
of the yield stress, so that a conservative estimate of where the
bending stress at which plastic flow starts at an elevated temperature
is l.6Sh and by the same reasoning l.6Sc will be the stress at which
flow would take place at the minimum temperature. Hence the sum of
these stresses represents the maximum stress range to which a
system could be subjected to without flow occurring in either the hot
or cold condition.

therefore Smax = 1.6(Sc+Sh)

But ANSI B31.3, the code to which most of us work, limits the stress
range to 78% of the yield stress, which gives a total stress range of
Sa= 1.25(Sc+Sh)

From this total stress range 0.5Sh is deducted for the pressure stress
and 0.5Sh is deducted for the deadweight stresses, giving us an
allowable stress range of Sa= l.25Sc + 0.25Sh

There are reductions for excessive cyclic conditions and credits
allowed for unused sustained allowable which you can use by enabling
liberal stresses setting.

Hope it make sense to my fellow readers. If you get the logic above,
you would automatically get answer to your second question.

Edited by Stress_Admirer (10/16/17 01:14 AM)
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Stress_admirer

Stress_Admirer]
Borzki
Member Thanks Stress_Admirer for that very detailed explanation of the

Expansion Stress concept of Elastic shakedown.
Registered:
09/16/04
Posts: 496 It's good that most of the general piping systems doesn't experience
Loc: Traz significant pressure cycling so it can be considered a static load.

Cheers!!!
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Borzki

Re: Question for EXP loadcase on B31.3 code [Re: Borzki] #70167 10/16/17 10:42 AM
Borzki
Member I found the link below about elastic shakedown although the operating

stress is already not applicable to the latest ASME B31.3 Code.
Registered:
09/16/04
Posts: 496 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBO9P9RfI
Loc: Traz
Any other opinion is greatly appreciated.

Cheers!!
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Borzki

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