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If only Stonehenge were of use in the culture wars,

then it might be protected
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yogapoga · 1d
Fun fact.. the stone henge was actually put back together in 1958 because it was all falling
over
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confused_ape · 1d
Which was a restoration of the previous 1920's reconstruction.
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confused_ape · 1d
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If it does happen I'd be interested to know how long and what cost the excavations in
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It's a complex ritual landscape, it's not like Tony and Phil can just pop in for an afternoon
and it's done.
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Bananasonfire · 1d
England
Alright then.
Stonehenge is racist, and it should be torn down! New archaeological evidence has been
revealed that showed that the architect of Stonehenge made some racist comments
through the blue birds.
We shouldn't be supporting work from vile racists, so we should rip it down, and build a
community centre!
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entropy_bucket · 1d
I saw some racist tweets from the beaker people.
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Orngog · 12h
Comin' over 'ere!
confused_ape · 1d
some racist comments through the blue birds.
Well, they are going to be over the white cliffs.
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Rab_Legend · 20h
Scotland
It could very well have been used in racist ceremonies if the whole human sacrifice thing
was true, then the people they probably killed were from a different tribe
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apple_kicks · 1d
Let’s restore British traditions to schools instead
How about teaching the dances, plays and festivals relating to peasant revolts and mocking
authority figures
No not those ones

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hisky0 · 1d
Urm, it is very well protected
But some people don't like a bypass tunnel being built near it, precisely to make it a more
relaxed and quiet location (as well as sorting out the traffic)
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Charlie_Mouse · 1d
Scotland
It turns out that even Druids have to make sacrifices.
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algo · 1d
monkey roll eyes badum tish dot gif.

pajamakitten · 1d
Dorset
They have had centuries of practice.
cjeam · 1d
So, we’re in a climate emergency, along with suffering from the air pollution, congestion
and road safety impacts of an over-dependence on private vehicles. We should not be
building new roads to increase private vehicle capacity under any circumstances, we
know all it does is induce demand and get filled up again in a few years.
The impacts of building a massive tunnel through the landscape there are permanent. In
1000 years time we could remove the current A303 with little evidence that it ever
existed. You cannot do that with a huge tunnel, it will always be evident that it was there.
It will be the largest excavation project ever carried out within the bounds of the world
heritage site, moving thousands or millions of tonnes of material, that’s kind of an insane
impact to inflict on a Neolithic site of global significance.
Since the last ice age the landscape of the area hasn’t changed hugely, and for the last
5000 years had you been flying over the Stonehenge world heritage site it would have
looked broadly similar, with the occasional addition of roads. Until now when we’re about
to add a huge embankment and tunnel portal and just out of the western boundary of
the site a grade-separated dual carriageway junction. If aliens are making a time-lapse of
it, they’ll come back and go “wtf?!”.
English Heritage, and National Trust, are considering the impacts exclusively on the
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actual monument, rather than the environment within which it sits which is essential to
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the world heritage site status. They are a fan because it removes the road from view
while you’re at the monument. It’s rather stupid to accept the damage it will cause to the
overall world heritage site to achieve the same benefits that would be accomplished with
a hedge.
RJK- · 1d
I don't understand the "building roads increases demand" argument. No one gets a
bus down a dead road and goes 'wow, there's so much capacity here I think I'll start
driving.' The increase in traffic is a result of growing population.

Stoyfan · 1d · edited 1d
Cambridgeshire
wow, there's so much capacity here I think I'll start driving
Well yeah, people consider what route they want to take based on whether there is
traffic.
Rather, when more lanes are added to a road it initially results in reduced
congestion so people think "wow, the congestion on this road is much less so I will
drive on this road to get to my destination sooner". Unfortuantely many other
drivers would have reached a similar conclusion, which in turn results in greater
congestion to the point where no inprovement has been made in people's time to
commute.
Etiher way, this (Braess's paradox) is a studied effect and is an example of when
"just adding more lanes" only makes congestion worse.
Wil it happen in this case? Probably not, but what I do know is that this is
something that has been observed in many situations around the world.
RJK- · 1d
Diverting cars onto more efficient routes seems to me a good thing for both
locals and the environment. Clearly we do need to be cutting car usage, I'm not
disagreeing with you on that.

Stoyfan · 23h · edited 23h
Cambridgeshire
I am just pointing to the fact that this effect is real.
If the A303 needs to be upgraded then so be it, after all letting cars run in a
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traffic jam isn't too good for the environment. On the one hand we should
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be encouraging the use of other modes for the sake of the people who may
not have access to them, but we should still upgrade roads if nessecary so I
agree with your statement.
hisky0 · 1d
Yawn.
People still use cars and will switch to electric cars which can hopefully run on carbon-
neutral electricity. Additionally even if public transpo massively increased, it's a main
road and would still be blocked up.
That's a fact and no moaning from people like you is going to change that.
If you've ever been on this road, you'll know it's the main east/west road and causes
havoc for people living nearby who have to waste about 30 minutes with their cars
running (which is worse for the environment that free flowing traffic).
A tunnel can easily be filled in, without too much fuss. But a world where roads don't
exist is a complete fiction so let's not pretend roads will go just because you want
them to.
Additionally you literally know nothing about history if you think the landscape
around Stonehenge hasn't changed in 5k years. LOL. During the early modern era
through to mechanical agriculture there have been repeated land use changes,
deforestation and terraforming.
cjeam · 21h
If we don’t do stuff like this, lots of people are going to die.
We cannot meet our 1.5°C targets just by switching the vehicle fleet to EVs. Private
cars remain nearly the most inefficient way to travel and energy hungry, even
when powered by carbon-neutral electricity. We also don’t have completely carbon-
neutral or even low-carbon electricity yet.
Faster traffic pollutes worse than slower traffic, local traffic can go on active travel
and buses, regional and national travel on trains. Filling in a tunnel will leave a
huge noticeable scar in the archaeological character of the site, it’s a permanent
impact. And I obviously missed the Saxon-era 300m long cutting and million tonne
earthworks, as opposed to a bit of forestry management and hedgerows.
TakeNRG · 1d · edited 1d
They should just pick a better strategical road than the a303, lengthening and
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cjeam · 21h
You’ll likely never be able to extend the M27 because it would require motorway
building through the New Forest. And it would still just dump traffic onto the
A31 and A35. Really traffic needs to be forced up to take the M4 and M5 down
to the West Country unless you wish to continue to trundle down the A303 or
A31/35.

pajamakitten · 1d
Dorset
which can hopefully run on carbon-neutral electricity.
Several years after they have been manufactured. That also ignores the ecological
damage caused by mining for rare earth metals for the batteries in rainforests and
the Pacific Ocean.
hisky0 · 23h
What is your amazing alternative to cars?

pyronoir · 1d
Worcestershire
As someone who’s used that road frequently, the traffic would be halved if they
built a tall fence blocking the free view to Stonehenge. Wouldn’t even need to
fence the whole thing, just that closest 200m bit where everyone slows down to
take pictures out the window.
Dense_Inspector · 1d
If aliens are making a time-lapse of it, they’ll come back and go “wtf?!”.
If this is our lens for viewing infrastructure projects we are so fucked.
cjeam · 23h
But if our approach to preserving an item of history that’s 5000 years old and
should last for at least another 5000 is to permanently negatively affect it with an
item of infrastructure to solve a problem that’s only existed for about 50 years we
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AdventureDHD · 23h
Have you got the stats for how much the emissions for building the tunnel are Vs the
amount of emissions generated from the mile long traffic jam currently present there
everyday?
The traffic on this road has a major impact on people's lives...we need to learn to
offset projects like these, weight up the pros/cons and be pragmatic.
cjeam · 23h
It’s a road project. They never have a net negative carbon impact.
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hogger85 · 8h
most are saying the tunnel is too short. it goes into the hill in sight of stonehenge still.
And emerges in some barrows that are still part of the site but are not the "cool bit" with
the stones.
deeacorn · 1d
If we go on Twitter and call the druids racist and threaten to pull the stones down we might
still have a chance.
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ImissGigs · 1d
There is no ‘culture war’ in England.
Let’s keep it that way. We don’t need to be importing their BS.
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It is incredibly boring to visit. It’s been rebuilt several times, so you are seeing it in its
original form anyway.

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Posted by u/Elliottafc1 1 day ago

If only Stonehenge were of use in the culture wars,

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Which was a restoration of the previous 1920's reconstruction.

I saw some racist tweets from the beaker people.

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Comin' over 'ere!

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some racist comments through the blue birds.

Well, they are going to be over the white cliffs.

Let’s restore British traditions to schools instead

No not those ones

Urm, it is very well protected

It turns out that even Druids have to make sacrifices.

monkey roll eyes badum tish dot gif.

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They have had centuries of practice.

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wow, there's so much capacity here I think I'll start driving

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I am just pointing to the fact that this effect is real.

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If we don’t do stuff like this, lots of people are going to die.

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which can hopefully run on carbon-neutral electricity.

What is your amazing alternative to cars?

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If this is our lens for viewing infrastructure projects we are so fucked.

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There is no ‘culture war’ in England.

Let’s keep it that way. We don’t need to be importing their BS.

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