M: anyways its okay, as we have started it, as I was saying that name is being asked here, so that

we can talk to each other, but we don’t quote it anywhere. We just say that 4 girls in Lahore
thinks like that or they have this opinion, is it okay?
M: okay, other than that what is that we can don’t mean, you people can talk to yourselves and to
me as well, mean we all can converse, I will only discuss the topic, but you will converse with
each other. So that for me everyone’s opinion is important, like if you say that you like black
color and you hate it and considered it as poisonous that I will conisdared both of the opinion as
equally important. Sometimes it happens that during describing our opinion we become
emotional and even start fighting with each other.
R: some laughs
M: so all of you can share your opinion openly and even express your difference, and where you
feel differences with another person you must show your difference, that you are not agree with
this person, but please all of you remember that we should be humble and we all must be modest.
R: laughs and some noise
M: and we all have to discuss and talk with each other but we don’t have to fight like that, you
can only discuss verbally
R: laughs
M: but don’t get too aggressive in that too, you must follow humbleness, that’s all we have to do,
will you follow this?
R: yes (All)
R: of course
R1: sure
M: okay, now we will do a work, let’s move toward the current affairs about, is it okay? So, tell
me in Pakistan, you all know what are current affairs, all of these things, that are happening in
Pakistan, how do you get to know of them, that is happening here?
R: through internet
R: through news
R: through news
M: oh, also, we are left with your interview, I had given you mine but didn’t take yours, (laugh),
madam?
R1: human Hussain
M: what do you do? Hamna
R1: I am doing B.SC from UMT.
M: okay,
R1: and noting
M: okay, fair enough.
R2: Aliza
R2” I am a student of BSc; I am 22 years old. (inaudible)
M: what?
R2: I am a student of BSc; I am 22 years old
M: you can tell anything about yourself.
R3: I am areej Fatima. Studding BSC mumbles
R5: oh, sorry. Areeka is my name.
M: Areeka?
R5: I am also studying in a university, doing b.com, still doing it because of the family issues.
M: what are you doing?
R5: I have left B.com from university, because I have to go into another city.
M: what are you doing privately?
R5: it is going, you know.
M: I must put it in center, so that everyone’s voice can be recorded clearly,
R6: ateeka
M: hmmm
R6: I am 19 years old. Student of B.A
R7: hina
M: Hira?
R7: hina
M: Hina
R7: I am doing B.com and also teaching some tuitions.
M; right
R8: I am arooj kiyani, and I am 24 years old also I am doing B.sc from UMT.
M: okay, so the question that I have asked you before, that how you get to know about the
conditions that are happening in Pakistan?
R: Internet
R: news
R: news, internet.
R: Internet
R: mostly internet
M: tell honestly, how many of you watch news actually?
R: I do watch it because of papa (all talking together)
R: we must watch it.
R: when it comes it directly
R” headlines, specially, when it comes to phone.
M: I told you in the start, one by one.
R5: yes, new news, one can watch, that is in front of you, either on mobile’s notification that you
watch, also father also watch what is happening, through the point given.
M: other than news, internet, is there any other source through which you can know thigs?
R: often the times it is women
R: when we watch news
M: which women?
R: these street women.
M: (laughs) I am talking about Pakistan’s affairs.
R: (laughs)
M: …. Not talking about boys’ and girls’ affairs.
R: yes, I am also talking about these affairs, often time these women during buying vegetables
discuss these things, they are faster than the news.
M: oh, woman of the neighborhood.
R: they tell us quicker than everyone
M: for example, what did you get to know through the women?
R: to much inflation, the other one has broken the head…
R: this is out of the question
M: okay, news, internet, and from here and there, also?
R5: and
R: I think through internet and news only
R: yes
M: and nothing else?
R: no
M: so, tell me which media you use and how to get the news through it?
R: ARY
R: ARY
R5: Pakistan’s current affairs
R: ARY (all together)
R: Geo news
R: Dunia news, enough
R2: many channels like express
R: city42
R: Lahore news
R: we don’t watch news
M: so, you guys watch news on television?
R5: this was all about TV other than that instream
M: where do you access news?
R: I watch on TV.
R: TV
R: PNG
R5: there are many news channels, although news channel has increased in number, (Noise) once
all of them get closed, and TV get bored and after the revival it increased in umber, and at that
moment the TV felt to complete.
M: why it is boring?
R5: like news, and Tv have more news channel, and when we start from zero, onwards 15 and
towards 50, there are more news channel, so that’s why it felt empty, and boring too, so it felt,
someone has to take its place, because it too boring, and when they come back so it gets
completed band it felt that news is important.
M: okay now, you have told me about the two sources about the news that we get on TV, and we
get on the internet, right?
M: what do you use most between the two, if you want to get to know about the affairs of
Pakistan? /
R: (Nealy all), internet
R: internet
M: so, so use TV less?
R: yes (all)
M: so, why internet more and TV less.
R: because….
M: you will speak in last, other people must also participate and answer, because if all of you
have come here, you must participate, because there will be no utility if you won’t participate in
it, so we not be silent, otherwise this whole activity will be futile? Yes?
R: internet is helpful, because, our get the updates on it (background noise), you have liked a
page so get an update or a notification, or you get a breaking news, so get to know about it.
R: and tv has multiple issues, electricity issues.
R1: TV does take time.
R: you have to sit for the time
R5: I don’t get time to watch TV I only get one or half an hour to watch daruma, otherwise I do
use phone 24 hours.
R: mostly I use mobile phone.
R: on phone
M: new generation or phone
R: (laughs)
R: very deep relation
M: deep relation
R: laughs
M: go ahead, there are ways through which you can get news? Is there any?
R: Newspaper also
R: Newspaper, no
R5; I have read newspaper since ages
M: have you ever read it in your life?
R: I have read it
R: yes, read it
M: when there’s no light?
R: yes, when there’s no light, there’s something wrong
R: when internet doesn’t work
R5: usually net don’t don’t go off, and if it gets it is usually due to the issue of protest, they turn
off the signals, but Wi-Fi still works
R1: WIFI don’t stop
R: that’s why Wi-Fi___33 user
M: so, I must consider newspaper at all? Or not?
R: No
M: does anyone hear radio?
R: no
R: not at all, radio
R: have no idea wat kind of songs comes on it.
R: also, radio has also gotten boring
M: so, from al that is above, you guys rely on internet on everything, so if you have to get to
know about anything in detail then you will go on to internet?
R: yes
M: oh, yes. Okay
M: tell me, if you goys are in twenties or nineties, and if you have to move back to 5,6 years
back, what kind of source you will have for acquiring the news, was it different?
R: then it was TV
R: of course, TV
R: also, newspaper
R: more or less it was TV, basically, we weren’t able to read newspaper rightly, so yes it was Tv.
R5: oh, sorry I am cutting you; one can get newspaper easily but what if the TV is not in the
range?
R: also, there was radio
R: was there radio
R: radio too
M: no, I am not saying what was available that time, I am saying what was three for you to get
information.
R: TV (all)
R5: because newspaper don’t come into my house(laughs)
R: not in mine too
M: okay, how many of you people receive newspaper int their house?
R1: it comes before, not now
R2: yes, not now
R2: yes, now it comes barely
R: not now
R5: do you guys have internet now in your houses?
R: I am asking about Wi-Fi
R: Wi-Fi___33
M: so, from tv you have move on towards mobile, is that so?
R: yes
M: I don’t understand the reason
R1: time has changed, now who will watch the TV, who have such time?
R2: we don’t have much time.
R: no time
R5: one who don’t have time will obviously go for tv? /
R: who don’t have cell in the age.
R: some people don’t have
R2: the area in which I live some people….
M: is anyone of you don’t have her own cell
R: no, we do have
R: everyone has
R: and elders in house watch news on TV mostly,
M: now tell me, that the overall Pakistani media has got everything on it, so how much
confidence you guys have that the news that you are getting on it is right?
R: not much
R: not much
R: almost 75 percent
R: 45 to 40 percent
R: less than this
M: one by one please?
R: now this Shoaib malik?
M: first, all of you tell me about the percentage
R: 40
M: 40 percent, right?
R: yes
R: 50
R: 55
R: 45
R: 50
M: mean half-truth and half lie?
R: fictious stories
M: let’s say any media? Internet?
R5: MO, no, inter et contain more lies that news from tv we can say they are 90 percent or we
can say 90 percent

R: no, no,
R: Internet contain much of the fake things
R: before it was geo who gave true news
R: city 42 also give true news
R: they are mostly of Lahore
R: so, we usually listen Lahore’s news mostly
M: Yess, I will ask again that she has asked that the news of tv is more reliable than the internet?
R: yes. (all)
M: what, why is that so?
R1: internet has such things
R; anyone can post thing on internet like what they want to share.
R: they made it by themselves
R5: actually, on internet anyone can make anything to get likes, comments or good reviews, so is
an say the tv is more reliable the news.
M: how much you trust the tv news that they are fake or true?
R: 70 percent
R: 85 percent
R: 80
R: 50 percent
M: how many are here that consider that 50 percent tv news is right or 50 percent is fake?
M: two people? How many are of 70 percent? One. Two, three or four? Okay?
R: I can say up to 90 percent
R: 80
M: and two more people 80 percent?
R: yes
M: and those who say 50 percent?
R: I
M: why is that so?
R: because they lie a lot and say such things which actually don’t makes sense. They bring news
from nowhere and which result in total fake news hence I don’t believe in them more than 50
percent
R5: if we are not able to get news from tv even how can we be aver sure of the news, if we don’t
have any person to tell us about the news. Tv is still quite better than the internet
M: as comparison you are saying that tv is far better?
R: yes (all)
R: it contains reality, tv contains everything in real.
R: because in inter et they do things which they do for likes and comments.
M: first of all, all of you tell me where do you search the the g on into et?
R: YouTube
R: YouTube
R: on YouTube
M: no, on which channel when online you go?
R: I go for ARY
M: I mean news news channel
R: they do have news channel site ass well
M: so, you go there?
R: yes yes
R: we believe on ARY
R: ARY NEWS AND GEO NEWS
M: how many of you believe on ARY?
M: most of you?
R: ARY (Noise all together)
R: Geo news
M: first let us talk about ARY
R: old is gold (laugh)
R; they have good news as well
R: and there is old too
M: why do you consider this? Are they true or are they fake?
R: they can also bring fake news but mostly they come up with truth
M: why is that so?
R: as far as I know>>
M: why do you believe?

R: they are quite old.

R: ARY or GEO are quite old
R1: firstly, three was only geo but now I don’t like geo I don’t know why
R: now army more or less
R5: it seems like army is good, but most of the time other channel bring some other thing
M: how can you say that they say it truth? Do we have any indicator which point to this that they
tell the truth? For example, I who do not watch tv how can she be sure that what is show
watching is true or not?
R1: you must watch them separately
R2: when you will see everyone will have different things.
R: you must watch all of them
R5: you see during cricket match everyone was showing different score at the same time during
Pakistan’s a match so this clearly shows the difference
M: how they can tell different score?
R: at how much score Babar and Rizwan were out and every channel were telling differed not
thing
M: so how did we got to know that?
R5: I watched the news Ans I said to my father that he is out at this score he aids yes and then he
opened a news channel, and there it was, we both were right and then my brother came from
outside and I asked him he said that father he is going to out at this score so here it comes in
front of us that there is difference.
R: this is the first time we are listening that even score can be wrong.
R: also, I haven’t listened such things before.
M: have you heard this before?
R: no
R: no
R3: no not this that even score can be wrong.
R: no, I don’t have much interest.
(All talking together)
M: so, we can conclude Herer that news on the tv channel is far more reliable than on the
internet?
R: yes
M: so now we will take whole of Pakistani media and see how far this work, what do you
consider to what extent they are true and helpful in spreading they truthiness?
R: 50 percent
R: 55 percent
R: Sixty
M: okay, is this include both from internet and news too?
R: seventy
M: Seventy percent is, okay?
R: yes
M: because some people were saying fifty percent?
R: no seventy is oaky.
M: So, basically, we have the number 50 and also some were talking about seventy people and
some were also talking about seventy percent about tv channel?
M: okay
M: tell me about, in a general way, let’s talk about Lahore, if I ask about you 5,6 years back,
when you were kids, so can you remember any positive change in Lahore? Mostly in your area?
Or anywhere?
R: no
R: it has gotten worse
R: it has gotten worse
R: train and roads only
R: and our roads got broken
R: and water does contain much smell
R: water has become dirty and there’s litter everywhere
M: pleases speak one by pone so that can listen to each one of you easily, because only through
this I will be about to listen properly, and will be able to listen properly and understand it
carefully, because this is the only proof that I will have, so please everyone, let everyone speak
one by one and and don’tlet anyone else will speak at the same time.
R: main point is water; water has become undrinkable and it has become even untouchable.
R: inflation
R: inflation is on high
R: load shedding
M: so, there’s no good thing?
R: no(all)
M: in 5 years?
R: before we didn’t had gas in our house but now, we have it.
R5: but also, we have become the patient of depression, don’t have any idea about others ages
M: which things has added you depressed?
R: because all of this thing and also because of inflation don also of electricity, and water
problems
R: electricity has become so much expensive
M: you were saying about the roads and about orange train as well?
R: yes
R: too much passenger
R: I was there, the environment was good.
R5: I was there in the orange train, I felt too good
R: no, it was good.
R: I sat in them too, it was good (all talking together)
R: pillar has fallen down
R: no there was nothing like that
R1: no nothing like this ever happened, because while you are in train it feels like you are sitting
out of city,
M: what do you mean by out of city?
R: like Dubai
M: Country
R: my father is in Dubai; he says that there’s no difference in Dubai’s and Lahore’s train
R: station is too best, it feels like airport of orange train
R: I never traveled in it
R: out of hundred things there is only one thing that is beautiful
M: okay alright, now tell, what do you think that for travel roads and orange train has improved
the conveyance, and it totally alright that you can talk to each other and not only talk to me
R: all talking together
R: they should look into the street as well
R: they do it for outside only
R: they same way we heard that the conditions in Karachi is worse, now same is the condition
with Lahore
R: same is the case, like we had complained last time and we received water for that moment
only
M: what do you think about Karachi?
R5: we heard that there is too much litter in Karachi everywhere, and now the condition is
getting same Herer in Lahore
R: laughs
R1: it’s getting like this
R: it will take 1,2 months
R: it had already happened to some extent
R: kidnappings
R: kidnapping has increased to a great extent
R2: we even had stopped going to school because they had started kidnapping children from
there.
R: okay, as I had asked you in the start that everyone must participate equally and where you
consider that because of me things are getting out of handy you can take care of that, and those
who are not participating, they must participate, so what was we talking about, kids?
Kidnapping?
R: there were a lot of kidnapping, that was happening there
M: what do you mean?
R: even now
R: somewhere maybe
R: now it has gotten less
R: now it has gotten less
M: how do you that now it has gotten less?
R: news
R: now we don’t receive much news
R5: my sister is juvenile’s lawyer and that’s why it hurts most. First because of corona and now
parents have stopped sending their children to school.
R: exactly, if one tension goes, another came here, and the 100 more come down
R: now a days it is getting less otherwise we received a lot of news.
R: but still, we can say it is getting like Karachi day by day
R: even it has gotten worse than Karachi
R: just like the way we were spending and living it how poor would have their living
R: they are at very poor condition. We must not not only think about ourselves only, we must
also think about themselves and you know that people even go for suicide. Because of not
getting enough food people are getting divorce.
R: Pakistan is getting more and more issues day by day
R: they even poison to children
R: they even poison to children, their own one
R: petrol’s prices is on high
R: gas inflation
(All talking together)
M: okay, alright, this is not overall Pakistan, you have to talk about Lahore only, as we were
discussing about Lahore?
R: Solare has increased it Lahore.
R4: when we say that our heroes and our leaders to, I can’t trust them, the new generation that is
coming
R4:no, when there was Nawaz shareef, then it made sense
M: please don’t cut anybody off, you guys can even talk to each other just please let everyone
answer at the same time.
R5: even if someone says that our hero is Nawaz shareef or Shahbaz shred or Imran khan is, and
even if I have to vote in a college and I in university I will not, because I don’t want to go in hell,
we must think of everyone, they must control inflation, they must think of the poor, but they only
talk about themselves
R: they just think of themselves,
R: no one reside in the world of poor’s
R: I us say when it was Nawaz shareef thing mad sense but as far as Imran khan is concerned
things have inflated a lot and even inflation has soured up
R: now, there’s no Imran khan, we have Shahbaz shred, and even he is not doing anything
R: inflation has overloaded a lot
R: they aren’t doing even though Imran khan has left this
R: when it was for Imran khan inflation has shoot up, when it comes to pit inflation has no
boundaries
R: it has overrated
R: how they can be heroes, they have gotten even worse than the villains
M: and what do you say? Because you aren’t discussing anything
R: this, what is happening now a days, must not happen, the old era was better
M: what was before
R: that there was no tension, even children don’t have any tension
M: how much before?
R: 10 years before, children could have tension, but not parents
R: even going back 5 years, it all had made sense, but now it had gotten worse
R: even children has gotten fueled with tension and also this inflation, one day you go and there
is this price and the other day there is that
R: exactly, that is the case
R: and they don’t fight stopping it
M: whose fight don’t end?
R: they Imran and Nawaz shareef talk such things about each other that their own fight doesn’t
end well
R: their language with each other has gotten too much bad a cheap (all talking together)
R: what are they effecting
R: he is pervert how he will protect our daughters
R: they fight with each other, how they will protect us
R: we cannot hope anything from them
R5: when they use to come live, they ordered like kings, and now they accused each other, and
the language they used is terrible. Noise
R: it had all started with Imran khan, that I will bring new government and will do this, and that,
and after that Maryum reply him. Noise
R: Benazir Bhutto was right
R: she was first lady
M: so, you guys have discussed about economy, and security and law and order and politics, now
f I discussed about education what will you as, you even said people has stopped sending their
children to school and if we talk about education what will you say?
R: children has lost many things, even prices has shored up
R: they instead of lowering prices, has risen it up
R: now they cannot afford more fees, poor parent cannot send their children to school because of
the fee.
R: fees has gone double the fees of my first semester was 6o thousand and now it has risen up to
I lac 6o thousands,
R: see
R: fesses has gotten double
M: when it was sixty thousand
R: when I started it was sixty and
M: when it was?
R: now I am in fifth semester. And still there is three left. When it was for pit, they have risen it
hp high and high
M: okay, other than that the overall conditions of Pakistan our relations with other countries,
what do you think of that
R: it has gotten worse
R1: no one respect you, no one gives a damn about you, where =very you go, people say that
they are terrorist.
R: Imran khan has done quite a lot in out of the country
R: he has collected a lot of money in the name of fund
M: please let her talk
R5: he has taken funds in the name of dam and then after that he has taken money in the name of
Shaukat Khanam.
R: who knows where it has gone
R: we don’t know where it goes
R: what about dam
R: he never gives us anything
R: even if we get something, we never know from where it comes
R: even we have donated only 20 rupees by sending message
R2: laughs. that I did too, and I don’t know how many times I did that.
R: Pakistan has such high fees that only 25 percent children go to school not 75percent
R: they who are taking money in the name of Imran khan they must help poor not the rich one,
they actually don’t need money
R: if the children get to studies, then our country will also progress
R: children are selling waters on the street and some are selling flowers and some are cleaning
the rear view, mirrors of cars, they are huge in numbers and theirs is nontax new thing they even
snatch the money of a widow and eat the money of orphans
R: cleanliness
R: exactly, even you can feel dust in your eyes
R: roads are all broken
R: high air pollution
R: and had they ever told where to invest money?
R: and also, they are not doing anything about smog
R: they level of air pollution is double and triple
R: the things which is already broken they are building it up, instead of building new things, why
is that so?
R1:and they are not not doing anything about smog
R1: they only wok on roads
M: is it mean the conditions of the country has changed?
R: inflation must gets stop
R5: inflation must get lower
R5: they must make good school, and fees must get lower also those who uses which do not have
ac they too get bill of around 25 thousand easily.
R4: the poor and is worried that we only use a fan and a light and the bill comes too high and for
that too he has to stand in a first line, and has to face many obstacles and then it gets lower
around 3,4 thousand, and they they proudly say that we have Didi this that, mean a big thing is
accomplished by them.
R: that was one time only
R: what was that. they did futilely
R: also, what they did, the bill was same next time
R: conditions are worst
M: why do you think that conditions will not get better.
R: because it has gotten worse this time and it will obviously get worse more
R: if it can get down then it can also get upward
R: we do not have good leaders
M: what do you guys say(inaudible)?
R: the way they have move upward they will come down as well
M: you are talking about inflation only or are you talking about things else
R: you can say conditions
R: everything
M: okay, what do you consider in everything?
R: like bill and inflati0n
R: are bill and inflation one thing?
R: everything
R: litter
M: why do you think government will not not do anything?
R: because there’s seem no hope and also their own fight isn’t ending.
R: they don’t consider us.
R: they only strive for seat
R: childish fighting
R: poor human is dying and they are fighting themselves
R: not that
R: not only in Pakistan, even in London people are suffering that the neighbour canny come out
pg. their house
R: there’s no humanity Herer
R: I do watch everyday, that there’s protest ongoing everyday, and our children aren’t going to
school, so someone say something to them
R4: now considered this, Imran khan, he has been shot but you see how fast their service was,
but in case of poor one they don’t give a heed
R: and the one who died
R: and the girl who died
R: and even conductor came under the truck
R: they didn’t give hi money
R: it feels so bad, that whenever somoni does they give money tot them and silence them
R: and if someone gees to hospital, no doctor comes and the patient died cruelly,
R: and here doctor’s requirement doesn’t end, they say first you must go to this doctor, then to
that and then to that and this is happening aloof tie
R1: take an example of hospital, one of our relatives was in a hospital he got an accident, his
requirement for not full so they ask to fulfil it and afar that we can do something for you, there
are possibilities that on cannot have the require document at the spot which can result in the case
that tie doctor will not operate the patient. But they say your wife’s and father’s signature must
be there and after that we will be able to operate him.
R: this is she case of every hospital
M: and what do you want to say?
R: they sent to to them to different different doctors, that you us check from them and them from
e like there’s no humanity
R: no value of humanity exists
M: you were saying something different, something about requirement?
R5: I don’t have an idea about dengue but they had a dengue camp over there. My mother got
the dengue fever and we even asked the chigetai lab and they said we cannot do this, but in that
demure lab we were able to find the CBC report. So ye, in that case they did good in establishing
the dengue camp
M: right now, you were saying when these people were saying that these ae the requirement and
you said these are requirement too.
R: requirement is there and you have to fill them an even if you go to a private hospital
R: if pouf go to an emergency and you have got serious accident then they must sow some relief
toward you.
R: but they do not admit in emergency so quickly
R: they do you must go to Farooq
R: if you go there, you will get importance
R: because they have to take number
R: please when two people are speaking, then I won’t be able to understand anyone
R: but even if you got to Farooq our have to pay a lot and that I poor cannot so if a poor goes
there, he will obviously have to suffer
R: that’s what I was saying that if someone goes to Farooq his rent for one day is nearly 5000
rupees even if you spend their onyx one hour
R: that is private
R: this is too much, if a poor person doesn’t have much money, then what he will do
R: but government hospital has only name, there a person will die cruelly
R: go to this room or that one and that one
R: they do not consider human anything
R1: i went to Jinnah hospital and there was very worse condition then now it is getting better,
there was an old man and under his bed there was a corpse, and no one asking him, now you go
there you will hear voice of active, active and they were rounding Herer there, after the payment
course but once it is done, they come to same very old condition
M: what do you mean payment giver?
R1: when a senior doctor is passing from otherers they actually pay attention, NOISE.... main
point is that a poor patient goes there, and he have no other place to go because only there he can
get to know all the other information, but they don’t give him any respect they just ridicule him
send him away.
R: they even have a very bad staff
R: very much
R: very much
R: they don’t respect poor people
R: those who take pay, they are rude
R: doctors are good because they are educated but the lower staff is bad to worse.
R: they don’t even let you move toward sector
R: every human hates each other they try to kill each other
R: even depression level has gotten high
M: why the depression level has risen up,
R: due to tension
R: tension is there, after doing the duty of 8,9 hours now you aver the dot of house
R: there’s no humanity
R5: and during the duty hours of 8,9 hours, they considered you donkeys and after that you go to
home and there you have to do other duty you don’t get time for yourself./.
R: and this is all due to inflation
R: everyone has its own
M: why do people has become enemy of each other due to inflation??
R: they have got itchy and then tensions also
R: anxiety effects
M: hmmmm
R: there’s is only money, and it says there’s isonly me
R1: no wareness on mental health also
R: they should do that too
M: who?
R: government’s hospital
M: what?
R1: they must open something like a rehab where mentally upset people must go
R: everyone gives opinion but no one tries to do the right thing
R5: very ice people are begging now a days that we think that they had such a nice3 house why
are they begging
R: because people have become clumsy and they considered begging far easier than other things,
even on signal I have seen a lot of people begging
R: laughs
M: so, you people are saying that inflation is not the only reason people want to earn easy moony
R: this is quite es that you spread you hand in front popoff someone and the next one gives you
R: when they ask from someone for money, they say you are so rich why don’t you go and earn,
so it far better that they must go Ans earn something and do do meting
R: they still earn like thins
M: What you have talked about, what do you think people are forced to ask for by the
circumstances, that people have become more haram?
R: Circumstances
R: clumsy
R: Both
R: There may be situations because there were not so many before
R: Someone is unemployed
R: Today there are no jobs in Pakistan
R: MAs are also going unemployed
R5: Even those with good to good degrees remained without jobs

R: There is no value in education these days

R: Yes
R: Do it
R: Got a job, just spent the whole day and got twenty five thousand
R: Nothing is made of it
R: Twenty-five thousand to a month's bill does not even go
R: Not that
R1: And this irritation has come in man because of the fact that considering the circumstances,
man has made himself a donkey. Eat it
R: Yes, it is like that. Mama asks, where did you come from, son? So much time, Mama doesn't
even have the heart to answer.
R: That's right
R: If they are going somewhere like this or if someone gets even a little bit of hair, such people
would fight
When they seem to stare at each other a lot R:
It's all because of inflation that people got irritated
The main point is inflation.
When the rulers open their mouths so much among themselves, how will the people not
misbehave in this R1:
R5: Open Tik Tok and insult each other
M: who have an account?
R: you open tiktok or Instagram and there you will see many strange type of things that are
associate dwith Imran khan and Nawaz shareef.
M: who has attaced this?
R: People ahave done this>
R5: those who makes meme on social media, god forbid what kind of meme they ake, that are
not even tellable here
R: it is all your mid, you can mold it the way you wante, now the nextr generation which is
coming what must be done for them, will it become a weakness because they have to stidy
M: what is it about mobile thing
R: this scence is in the form of Imran khan’s voice
R1: no no, let me tell you, therer’s was a voice not in which mariyum Nawaz saying that i don’t
have flats in London nor do i have them in Pakistan, so Imran khan was immicking her and
sainy, oh ALLAH
R: and before that the wording of Imran kha has got viral in which he was saying that don’t say
my word so much because it can result that your husband will mind it,
R: this is the condition of all of the
R: this was not the thing to say
M: what are you saying that this was not the thing to say
R: they have many people in their rally
R: and their words spread like fire
M: and you were saying they all are actor, who?
R5: and these politicians too, they lisle talk too much in their speeches just like that woman who
were saying that they haven’t given us anything just give us their pics.
R: people give them abusive words only
R: yes
R: they have thrown packer of food by throwing it through helicopter
R: this is very much wrong, they have considered us animal, if they have to give it, they must
Gove this by respect, but no, they don’t Gove a damn about the human
R: and that too by Imran khan, he has received such massive donation and accumulated a lot
R: they are breaking such nice roads and doing nothing like fools
R: and the person who has saved Imran khan what has he done for him? He has just signed his
shirt
R: mas ash Allah
R: and the one who died?
R: only he signed the shirt who has saved him
R: did Imran khan made a stunt bit the bullets?
R: yes, many people are saying are this
R: only God knows the truth
M: what do you guys consider?
R: we don’t consider this
R: but why someone will make his life problematic?
R5: but he said, I felt too bad that when asana was there, he uses loud music, and this was in
sacred so decided that I us kill this man, I have been following him from LaHue ad had firm
decision that I will kill him
M: okay, you have only told me negative points, there’s no good poet?
R: you will not see any positive one!!
M: so, Pakistan didn’t see any good changes from 4,5 years?
R: humans has become savage
R: now a days no one is trustable
R: everyone tries to kill the other perron who is rich
R: they try to save themselves
R: people are fighting between themselves and in their houses as well
R: like those people who have their own house, they are okay but those who are living on rent
what shall they do?
R1: how will they spend their salary, on food, bill or rent?
R: brothers don’t help each other
R: they cannot make anything because the oil is too expensive
R2: oil is too much expensive
R2: it is more than 500 who knows how much
R: noise all talking together
R: floor is to inflated
R: 5 years back, oil was 70 per gram now it has risen up to 150 per gram
M: so, all these things that you have told e, keeping in view all of these things what fado you say
in which direction Pakistan is heading?
R: worst
R: Zero
R: conditions are geta g worse
R1: inflation will rise instead of getting more
R2: people are losing hope
R2: they are not tolerating that Imran khan got the seat, let them work and we must appreciate
them
M: what do you mean by got the seat? NOISE
R: he must complete his 5 years term NOSIE
R: why are things getting worse?
R2: anyways, if we see when it was on Nawaz shareef we didn’t know anything
R: yes, only may parent use to watch news
R: now there’s is much inflation ,,,,, noise
R5: Imran khan has 5 yeas, he could have the sae as of Nawaz shareef, he must have cooperated
with everyone
M: okay, so you are saying that you have no hope with Pakistan?
R: no hope from far away
R: no, if one true person cue, then things can get better
R: this cannot happen
R5: Imran shouldn’t have to come, he was better a cricketer
M: you were saying that politicians cannot get right and you said that they are corrupt? What do
you consider?
R: because they said they must full their belly first
R1: before there was too much love, if there was a marriage ceremony everyone does live
together and now no one live for ever 1 day
R: all talking together
R: now even siblings don’t see each other, friends are a featheriest concept
M: because of inflation
R: all talking together
M: please everyone speaks one by on, so that it can get record properly, I don’t want that 6
people speak simultaneously and their voices interlap, and only one percent can make us of all
this, so speak one by one, so that it can get recorded and then be written and I would be able to
listen it properly afterwards.
M: now we will talk about economy and you said that. NOISE... what do you think that where
the economic condition is heading toward?
R: Imran khan
R: no, we cannot see Imran khan ‘
R: not Imran khan noise
R1: that was another thing when it was Nawaz shareef things were better nut when it comes to
Imran khan things are getting bad to worse, even we are abler to control budget.
R5: but in audible (49:12) what he buys where does it comes from?
R: he buys it
M: and before this when all of you were telling you were considering a specific portion of
society responsible for this?
R: yes politician
R: and corruption is also a problem of Pakistan
R1: noise inaudible 49: 45
R: they are saying that even the shopkeeper himself have to buy the things
R5: they themselves mourn that they don’t get any profit, they saying we are selling at the same
price on which we buy, we don’t get any profit
R: and when I w Ent to shopping mall, I was shocked there, the shirt which was of 1000 rupees
now come at the price of 3000
R: see this
R: prices are double now
R: what should we do?
R: baby garment is expensive too
R5: they must low their prices, for such small shirt
M: do you see the financial condition of your family?
R: zero
R: if this inflation persists like this than it will be a burden on us obviously
R: and they have the same salaries but inflation is rising up
R1: major problem is for the salaried class because the salary is same but the inflation has rise
dup
R: and there are no jobs
R5: those who have their own house they can somehow mange but those who don’t have what
they will do?
R: those who do job if they leave then they assign one of their own their and don’t let anyone
else come there
R: those who have money are good and those who don’t there aren’t
R: and those who have money their money is ending
R: Imran khan said population have aloo of money we have to take every thing out
R: and he is doing that too
R: but no idea where hi is hiding that
R: and the poor’s who actually don’t have what they must do? So much tax and the protest are
ongoing, and also the electricity bill is higher then beg=fore, no one has ever paid heed to their
protest
R: people has burned their bill and metre too
R: they give them new meter and new bill
M: so, what do you consider government must do for the welfare of the country, how to bring out
Pakistan from such things, what steps must be taken?
R: first they stop fulfilling their own pockets and so something for the population, things will get
better automatically
R: things will get better
R: they must control their own language
R: inflation must get down
M: if they reach consensus things will get better?
R: hypes
R: unity will help and things will get better
R5: if only one chief minster doesn’t feel jealously everything will get Bette for Pakistan
M: if unity comes things will get better soon?
R: they must try to solve their problem mutually
R: if their internal conflicts come to an end, they will be able to work properly in mange, Ent
R: they thin and made it worse
M: what do they think?
R: like when inflation rises, they say they will mange somewhere else but when they think lie\e
tat another thing rise up
M: okay
R: they have such big houses of their own
R1: they have left nudge space for their garden
R: they have large number for the labour in their houses
R5: they much doors
M: Ans you are saying that government must show unity and what else?
R: and their must be a policy for places too tan they should get this amount of place
R: people has left so much of property after buying legally and illegally
R: inflation must get down
M: how they can reduce inflation?
R: they way they have taken it up
R2: they must lower down petrol and oil too
R: in increase they used ewes, now they must do that too
R: who know what they do
R: when I am in a university, and father don’t come then I use rikshaw, Ans ask them, and they
say gas is too much expensive and I only ask them why you did vote for him and this is the only
question that I ask why did you voted
R: even our population has become greedy when they go for rally, they make silly things and try
try ridicule other person both the supporter and common population
R: if we see one side of the picture, we will realize that we were wrong as population while on
the other we were right
M: even population don’t have unity?
R: no not one
R5: I believe every old ruler must go away and new one should come; a strong lad must cue who
should....
R: Nawaz shareef was good
R: not Imran khan this time
R: he must gain his lost position first, then its okay
R1: one who lost his place don not get to the same position
R: no respect at all
R2: he has already come 2 time, now someone else must come
R: we cannot do a anything
M: what do you say about this statement?
R: right
R: right
R: we don’t have any advantage by voting
R5: people who are being supressed by the conditions, even boys and girls do the job they will
say that the whole Lahore must do ....
R1: even the height of children now a days has lowed by thinking too much, my father and
mother had long heights but now a days girl and boys don’t have such long heights
R: depression do cause diabetes and blood pressure
R2: Pakistan is on number 2 on the list of depression
R: this is the reason children sees their fathers full of tension and then after that they see diabetes
and then become victims to them and they get tension and because of this Pakistan =n is on 2nd
number
R: you have gotten depression by listening to us
M: I ma not depressed, I am just listening to you, I am neither depressed nor very happy I am just
neutral
R: this s the reality
R1: when we see someone in us depressed, we become sad too
R: heart feel stem tat Allah has given so much
R: if you have to give someone load than you must search first
R5: why if you have to give in Allah’s ways then why search?
R: this is worse thing
R2: now a days one who give money he gets them back by doubling
R: all talking together
R2: Nawaz shareef has said that he will give houses to everyone but he didn’t
R: this was Imran khan’s saying
R: both have said that
R5: Nawaz has only said this but Imran khan has even snatched the houses
R: Imran hand said I will give you houses you must fill the form of 350, everyone did but no one
has goutte has house
R: who give a house with a form of 350
R: use
R: this is what I am saying that this is the mistake of population
R: my sister who is lawyer, that they do buy people
R: people are such fool
R: those who see profit they do go
R: leaders are ice the population
R: we cannot say them wrong our population is wrong
R: this is what I said
R: greedy population
M: what are you saying?
R: that is what I am saying that if population gets greedy then it is good, because even they come
out of the population
R: the leader hasn’t faced the condition that population has faced, he has no idea
R: he will do the corruption and will not give a dan about population
R: what human hasn’t faced how he is supposed to do that such things
R: humanity has died
R: humanity has died
M: now tell me what have you read that what is IMF and what do they do?
R: this is an international organization that do the funding
M: to whom it gives loan?
R: mostly foreign countries
M: what do you say
R: no, I haven’t heard about them
R1: IF is that who has taken loan whose loan Imran khan has taken off
R: didn’t ponder over it
M: so, on one knows about IMF?
R: no
R5: this is a fourth institute who mostly gives load to foreign nation, so who need load ask them
and then after that they also have to give it back to them
R: they every took you out!
M: how Pakistan is getting affected by this initiation?
R5: when they have to made metro and orange train they sked loan from them, and after that they
had receiver a lot of loads and fading but now when they sked for loan back there aren’t able to
give it back to them because there’s no money
M: so only this girl knows what is if, all of you have o idea what it is? Haven’t you heired about
it in news?
R: no
R: it comes a lot I news
R: no, I have heard it first from you
R5: and something like this that Imran khan has already Ade an agreement about inflation before
his term end
M: okay
R: not much idea
R: before inflation was in limit but now it so out of control now
M: so, you have any idea or you have already told what your idea was?
R: yes
M: now we will talk about Pakistan’s relation with foreign countries as we have talked about it
before and what do you think about it?
R: they re good
R: not got but it has gotten worse
M: why is that so?
R: because they think that we are poor country and we onyx come for begging
R; because of the debt
M: to whom we have taken debt?
R: from America
R: from if
M: now, let’s see is there any thing else upon the topic which I have discussed so far?
R: no
M: okay now I am going to take names of 6 countries and you have to listen attentively, and after
that you have to tell me what kind of picture came into our mind after listening to that or what
word came and you don’t have top speak it at that moment a rather when I will ask about it form
outvenom will say that what had come Ito your mind okay? Even I am writing the name of the
country on the beard
M: yes
M: from whose chair this voice is coming?
All laughs
M: the first country that I am going to write is China
R: we have friendship with China
R: China do support Pakistan on a wider scale
R: they have even given us vaccination
R: they are quite cooperative
R1: they have given us vaccination – mumbles
M: yes
R5: she said they had given us vaccination and I said the chops was also started by them
R: corona has started for them
R: so, Pakistan didn’t have much power to stop the attack from anyone
M: other keywords that are coming to your min after hearing the word China
R: China
R: China has cooperated a lot
R: friendly hardworking
R: a lot of hardworking
R5: they have good rules too
R: and they re honest too
M: who is good
R: chin’s rules
M: rules
R: the are honest to their country unlike Pakistan
M honest with there country?
M: okay
M: now we will move ahead and let’s say Saudia Arabia and please let me know sentences and
ideas or kept word.
R: Islamic country
R: friendly
R: it helps in troubles
R: rich country
R5: due to oil den gold
R: and they have strict rules
R: one who steel his hand will be cut
R: you will get challan and fine too
R: every country has rules except Pakistan
R5; if we see the police of another country, we say we are safe but in Pakistan we try to save
money by putting them in socks
M: now the thing is that there’s less space so I will write the name of other countries her, and
please all of you put down your mobile.
R: laughs
M: please quickly Runa input it inside, okay so we have written Saudi Arabia and China, so what
are your comment about America, USA?
R: strong
R: enemy
M: go on
R: Selfish, mean
R: good with Pakistan
R: not honest
R: they re dishonest
R: but they hardworking
R2: but that was for themselves
M: lets talk about Canada
R5: Canada looks a bit of friendly
R: they are a bit polite
M: as compared USA?
R: yes
M: and
M: they are more friendly than USA and?
R: and they give us funding too.
M: and
R5: enough
M: okay and Afghanistan
R: terrorism is there a lot
R: onion has got much expensive
R1: brutal
R: they are honest
R1: bad people
R: they are brutal and all
M: now let’s discuss these words that you have describe we should elaborate in detail
M: you have written friend with the China?
R5: China has helped Pakistan in every case whether it is economical or any other problem
R: they send Pakistan too much things
M: you also have to give an example while describing the word.
R: they also had provided us with the vaccination
R5: also, the things that Pakistan need they have provided Pakistan
R: it is friendly country
M: okay
M: other than that, you said they are hardworking
R: they are, they have gotten freedom later but now they are more progressive than Pakistan
R: they have struggled by themselves
R: even old man works there
R: this is almost in every country
R: this is more in China and they don’t have pollution
R5: their president use cycle so that fuel us be use less and to avoid extra expenditure
R: theses condition is what we want in Pakistan
R: and they love cleanliness too
R: cooldrink are ban in China
R: they do not use spice and they drink hot water too
M: we were talking about relations bit?
R5: they are good, with Pakistan their relations with Pakistan are good
R: we have more things of China here
R: everything that we have here is from China
M: you said that they are good with there own country?
R: they are honest and don’t do corruption
R1: they do not shout like Imran khan; they even close the road even 1 hour before his arrivals
R: if someone has to go school how he will go? his family will worry but who will listen
M: okay, before that we said Saudi Arabia, and you said they are friendly Islamic country?
R: they have complete Islamic system
R: even girls don’t go out them
R: they wear complete gown
R: we have seen even if they wear gown then that too for fashion
R: now a days we see we cannot say anything to anyone
R: like design something
M: so, say in Saudi people really follow the curtain?
R: yes, there was a woman, so someone from outside ask her that are you form Saudi Arabia but
she said that I am from Pakistan but she has completely followed the Hijab of Saudi Arabia
R: but anyways in Pakistan Muslims live too
M: and you have written that they help us in trouble?
R: yes, they are good, and they even give us funds
R: but with Nawaz shareef they had good relation
R: also, Nawaz sharif has good relation with China
M: other people can also discuss
R: yes, this only
M: now you also consider this as truth?
R: yes, yes, we will do that
R2: they have pure gold I went with my father and we met with an aunty who brought gold from
Saudia Arabia and they said gold in Saudi Arabia den Pakatan is different
R: and they have more than anyone else
M: so, what kind of relation do they have with Pakistan
R: okay well do that
R: Pakistan beg from everyone
R1: those who gives us they are good and those who are not they are bad
M: about candy you said they have friendly environment, can you explain?
R: Canada have good relation with Sikhs but they have also good relation with Pakistan and also
Sikh also says that we want to go tope Canada
M: what do you think that candy or Pakistan have friendly relation?
R: not that much but they are normal
M: where to do you take it?
R5: positive
M: where do you took it as friendly?
R: I think, they a have never helped us but relation is normal
R: not that much funding
R: and maybe they have done it, I don’t know.
M: and you said that they are politer than the USA
R: not that good
M: in it you have written words like selfish and enemy too?
R5: they are good with India only and with Pakistan they do not have such good relation, they
consider us as enemy
R: whenever they had contacted with Pakistan, they have tried to harm Pakistan
R: still now they are harming us
M: why is that so?
R: India tells them such things ...laughs
R: still, they are doing this
M: yes
R: that’s only
M: and other than that, you have also said that they are honest with Pakistan or what?
R: this is the reason; with India both of the countries cannot have good relation with it
R1: they show Pakistani as trouts
R: even consider the movies pamoate in which the role of Muslim was entirely opposite and
same goes for India
M: you said their hardworking is for them only?
R1: yes, for their own self, because their own economy is getting good, they do everything for
their own country and this thing is not prevalent in Pakistan, and they are successful because of
this.
M: now tell me that there are two types there are two type of relationship one is government to
government and other one is population to population, do they affect each other, and how do you
think USA is doing in this regard, how it is affecting on governmental level?
R: with population and government both are good
R: okay
Ryes, they don’t give us respect but\Hy saying that we are terrorist or thief. They don’t give
Pakistan much respect and there our country is not respectable and neither is our nation
M: and you were saying that public to public is not good?
R: yes
R: we are suffering with our own concern how can we resolve other’s issue
M: and if China’s government and public is on the same level then?
R: they just show mercy on us
R: they have humanity
R: China’s people are good too and they are polite
R5: Pakistan has got independence before than but the are more progressive than us
R: because they are hardworking and here, we have corruption here
R: we do not have good politician
M: and you talked abbot onion in Afghanistan
R2: yes, when that happened there then noon has received from America there
R: that too contain small pistols as well
M: for what purpose did the truck come?
R: for selling
R: because of flood it became over there so they had scented it so that they can use it
R: they had showed some sympathetic
M: lets come ahead from onions, you have written terrorist about Afghanistan?
R: every type of arsenal gets prepared there and even the sell it there and send for there.
R: lots of terrorist there
R: there children and women too
R: they look dangerous by faces
M: how do you know this?
R: through news
R: and then comes drugs, a lot of things come from there
M: I have one question whether is it from me or through TV that you got this idea?
R: through TV we got an idea that they are good people
M: which TV?
R: News
R: any channel of Pakistan
R: Pakistani channel
R: if we open global village, we revive news from every country
R: Pakistani channel also gives news of India and Afghanistan
M: and what word you have said other than this that we do not have good relation with them?
R: just because of the terrorism
R: strange faces
R: everything gets prepared Herer, whatever it is
M: so, our relation is worse is due to arsenals
R: that too they haven’t done good thing with us
R: I think no one is good
M: so, you are saying Pakistan do not have good relation with Afghanistan and you told the
reason that?
R: terrorism
M: so why we don’t have relation because of terrorist?
R: she said that
R2: human has said this
R5: laughs........ is id it because they don’t cooperate and they have arsenals that kill people
R: its is in fashion now a days
R: they take gun and shoot it and make video of it
M: what kind of relation these videos have with Afghanistan
R: they do not have invented this thing
R5: we can not say that Afghanistan is bad, maybe what we have heired is bad or good
M: you said it was not honest with us? Why not honest?
R: they didn’t cooperate with us
R: how they can cooperate while they themselves are poor
R: not even heard like we heard of China, maybe they have God relation with India
M: okay just tells me in between all of them which country is best that you consider as role
model?
R: America
R: Modal China
R: China
M: in which way you consider it as modal?
R: power
R: fashion is all
R: about hands
R: little things help
R: they have good smartness
M: smartness?
R: of girls
M: oh, you are saying there’s girl is smart? I am asking about being an odal country
R: America is everyone’s dream
M: no, you said China, first we will discuss China and the we will move ahead?
R5: China’s things are unusual and they make video of everything and with a ribbon, and often
make handmade things
R: there machinery comes from there
M: you were talking about USA what is meant by the fact that it is everyone’s dream
R: because everything is available there
R: they have tourist point as well
R: their Visa is expensive too
R: no work is here even we have inflation here
R: Dubai is
R1: they have strict and good rules, in last few days there was a bomb blast and in 24 hours they
caught the person
M: where?
R: Istanbul
R: here we don’t get to know who was it
M: okay now we will do that, after tis much discission do you thing anything has left?
R: it is completed now!
M: other than that, oneself often say that this thing must not comes in the recording and we must
not Saya that, so what we will do know is I will turn off the recoding and if you have anything to
say you can say.
R: no
R: I didn’t even aw that you were recording
R: whatever said was true(all)
M: okay I am closing this, and will ask you once more.