Former AF Office Of Special Investigations- The Real

Mirage Man Richard Doty & Area 51

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all I rity Bas here the has
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landed that's one small step for man for man I occasionally think how
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quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat
from outside this world and yet I ask
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you is not an alien force already among we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence whether sought or
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unsought by the military industrial comp the potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will
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persist now I am become death D World in my asso the cic groop they definitely
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withheld
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information a whole Fleet of them look on Thea they're all going against the wind
the
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wind's you Solly swear for airm the testimony you're about to give is the truth the
whole truth and nothing but
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the truth so help you guide do you believe that our government is in possession of
uaps
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absolutely
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State okay yesterday you told us you traveled and I thousands of light years
together 1947 two craft crashed into
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Mexico they collided and one crash near Corona New Mexico which is public
record
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the second craft crashed Way Out West of magdalina New Mexico and that wasn't
found until 2 years later but the one
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that crash and Corona they also found a live alien that live alien was named Eva
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and he was transported to it was a ma male was transported to Los Alamos where
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he lived out his life he died in 1952 during that time
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period that he was with us he told us a plethora of information about what they
have learned about the universe they
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want to keep people away from a real truth back in the early ' 80s it was my job to
confuse the UFO community and it
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was very easy to convince Paul Paul was a World War II veteran he's very patriotic
he always flew his flag those
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type of people you can convince of this you can't tell anybody else about this
because it's you know you get in the
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wrong hands would we use perception to help shroud what we're trying to protect
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absolutely if you've got an aerial platform that is highly Advanced and the public
who happens to get a glimpse of
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the thing if they're convinced that it's from Venus then there's no way it could be
our military well hey you know that's
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that's awesome hell yes Roswell was not the beginning it was a turning point we
just dropped two bombs on a country we
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had a test this probably was observed by these aliens somewhere whether they
were doing conc connaissance back then or how
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they had figured it out so they came here to to observe try to figure out what the
heck was
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at all right guys welcome back to total
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disclosure the podcast I am here today your host Ty and this is the show that I
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have been waiting for for since I since I started total
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disclosure to be honest uh this man um I've I've not only looked up to but I've
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paid close attention uh to his story um and that is Richard JY rich Richard doie
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was born in New York State uh and grew up in a military family Richard served his
country in the US Air Force uh uh
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Richard attended college at Pacific Lutheran University and after college Richard
was hired by the Air Force
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office of special investigation after attending intelligence courses taught by
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uh the afis uh defense intelligence agency and CIA uh Richard served at Kirkland
Air
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Force space as a Counter Intelligence officer Richard saw duty at Nevada Test
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Site uh air force center Detachment 3 uh Groom Lake which people know as Area
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51 um um Nevada so that's in Nevada Richard investigated at the Coyote
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Canyon UFO sighting on Kirtland Air Force Base and the Paul benowitz incident uh
which many of us know uh
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from the uh amazing documentary uh Mirage Men um Richard was also assigned
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to the afosi European headquarters uh wise bin
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Germany um I'm gonna I'm German so if I just got that wrong I'm gonna get
slapped by my mother um in spirit so uh
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as a counter ESPN's agent after leaving the air force office of special
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investigation Richard was assigned to an Air Force Reserve unit Richard left Air
Force office of special investigation
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and was employed by the state of New Mexico lnk wink uh Richard worked for
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the Institute of advanced studies which was directed by Dr Hal put off in 2017
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Richard was hired by Gia where he currently has over 100 episodes on
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Cosmic disclosure with every Smith it is my absolute honor my pleasure to finally
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introduce the man the myth the legend Richard Richard
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do well thank you for that introduction wow I appreciate that yeah wow what an
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what an introduction and um I mean first I want to say of course thank you to all
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the service that you you did you know uh in your time um in the military and and
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and um um areas attached to it so um uh we
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always start off by saying thank you to our to our military veterans and our our our
our people uh like you um but what I
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find fascinating about you is that you admit that you SE
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disinformation that was your job as Counter Intelligence right you openly admit it
but you're now in the community
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trying to kind of shed some light on some of the things that are going on and I'd
be fascinated to hear about you know
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what you have to think about what the grush situation but first I want to talk
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about the origins of Richard doie um Richard doie as he was hired of OSI
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and let's I want to run through the Paul benowitz case for anyone in our audience
who doesn't understand or doesn't know
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about that case and how it got miscued okay uh I was a Counter
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Intelligence officer at Kirtland Air Force Base and Paul benowitz lived just
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outside the base perimeter in an area called Four Hills um just outside just right on
the
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perimeter and so he could see into the base from his backyard or his patio and
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on on various occasions he saw some strange things flying
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around uh at cin uh they were always next to an
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airplane and he then uh took pictures of it uh did some electronic recording of
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signals coming from these objects and eventually he
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approached uh the the chief of security police at Manzano base uh Lieutenant
Colonel Ernie Edwards
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now bonzano base was a base within Kirland Air Force Base it
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housed nuclear weapons uh it had the it's it stored the most nuclear weapons
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uh in the world there underground or in bunkers and so uh when Paul brought this
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to the attention of these objects attention of Lieutenant Colonel Ernie Edwards
who was again the the chief of
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security police for that mountain uh he immediately uh Lieutenant Colonel
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Edwards immediately notified me and told me that this guy had come to his office
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and uh told him about this uh about these objects flying around and some signals
that he was detecting from the
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area of monzano so my count intelligence officer to investigate this and yeah of
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course I made I made an appointment with Paul benowitz I we did a check on Paul
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found out that he was a a air force or a contractor a private contractor he had
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government contracts with the Air Force he owned a company called Thunder
scientific Laboratories which was just
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outside Kirtland Air Force Base so I made an appointment I went out and talked to
Paul uh at his office with
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another agent and uh Paul told me that he told me the whole story about seeing
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these things flying around and uh he thought it was a a threat to National
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Security so he took pictures he showed me the pictures uh I asked if I could take
these pictures and uh and and and
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that that's the that's how the initial part of the investigation started
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uh Paul then if you can bu if you can come in yeah yeah
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yeah of course so Paul went back and look we we
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developed the pictures and we found that what Paul was taking pictures of was a
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highly classified uh United States Air Force drone program this is the first
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part of the first time Air Force tested drones and this was back in the early 80s so
this is so this is
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arguably arguably I mean it's not alien Tech but it is highly highly secret like
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you know very top secret um it's it's the NextGen weapon systems you know that
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we would see deployed um after the stealth bombers so you're saying Paul kind of
tapped into it by accident but
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on purpose and your job was to make him again your Counter
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Intelligence you you got to do what you got to do well what I did was uh Paul gave
me
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his whole background and uh he said I uh I was a I worked for muon and before
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that at Pro before that IAP so he was always a believer in UFOs uh he he told
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me what he was seeing what he was taking pictures of were unidentified flying
objects objects and probably from
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another another planet so I said wow uh that's that's
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amazing Paul well I couldn't tell him what the this was because it was
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classified so I what I did was just I just went along with him I just agreed to what he
thought it was I said wow you
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know what Paul you're probably right probably Are UFOs so that began the AAL
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benitz operation called called project seven lambs and what our job was is to
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convince him uh that they were UFOs in order to keep them away from the real uh
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the real operation or project dealing with the secret drone program and and
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Paul Paul went along with that I didn't have to um drugging or anything like
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that all that all that information about drugging and so what we actually did
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we told Paul that we wanted to to do a contract with him and we did we did a
contract that was a legal contract that
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went through his attorney and the base attorney authorizing us to investigate him
investigate his facilities
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investigate his house um he authorized us access to his house his business and
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so uh and we did we took advantage of all those things that he'd offer us and what
we what we wanted to make sure was
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that he he was not involved in any kind of Espionage or any uh uh detrimental
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threat to National Security that's your job at the end of the day exactly that was
my that was my
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job so we formulated an operations plan in the military or in intelligence uh
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you can't do anything without an operations plan and so uh the operations plan
was formulated at our headquarters
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in Washington DC I was instructed to do to to follow the operations plan I did have
some
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input into the operations plan uh but I was you know I was new to this uh I was
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a young intelligence officer uh and I I I didn't have
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experience uh before this and dealing with something like this so there were other
agents involved in this operation
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and helping me and guiding me along but my supervisors felt they had confidence
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in me doing my job and so what I was told to do I did and uh so that's the
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beginning uh of the Paul benowitz case project seven Lambs now there are a
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number of uh twists and turns that the Paul benowitz case took over the the
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five five years it was in operation uh it involved Espionage uh it involved the
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actual photographing of unidentified flying objects by Paul it involved um uh
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some activities up up in Northern New Mexico around tul SE and involved a
number of other things and some of which
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are still classified dealing with the National Security Agency but
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um I did this I followed the investigation all the way through uh when we
terminated the investigation uh
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I was given an award for doing such an outstanding job on the investigation and
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um right I I maintain U friendship with Paul right up to to day he died in
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2003 and I think I I I
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think if if Paul doesn't die I think that this is a whole
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different story because I think that was the Domino for
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for some people that that tipped over that made it
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feel like like like over the edge does that make
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sense yeah uh but he died 18 years after
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after the case closed yeah again I'm not you know I'm not I'm not saying that
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like I said you know it's it's the fact that it's people think that um you know
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what happened to him in that in that situation led him down a path that you
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know you know made you know kind of made him go a little bit insane um but in
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reality again there are so many complex facets to this story so many because you
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honestly you you did you like you talked about and and you've never been shy
about saying you honestly like the guy
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you were his friend it's just so happens that you also were cast with not to put
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things in head but to allow him to continue believing what he already
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believed right and maybe maybe feed some
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some fire fuel to the fire here and there and that is the job of a Counter
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Intelligence person um and and again you were doing your job you know you had
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someone who you reported to you thought you had your career this is what you
signed up for um so just because you
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stumbled onto a UFO thing you know doesn't make you the bad
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guy right you know I did my job uh and it wasn't just me there were many other
agents involved uh uh the National
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Security Agency got involved in this um yeah which uh caused some some uh
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discontent with with our operation and with Paul benowitz uh they're the
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ones cross well yeah it did because they're the
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ones that surreptitiously entered his home and placed devices that we didn't
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Place uh we did have uh some devices in his home but he knew about those but
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when he found some other devices he called me I went there uh with a technical
agent somebody else and uh
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looked at the the other devices and found out that they weren't ours but we knew
they were a government
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and uh then we we realized that National Security Agency was involved in this and
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did you try to did you attempt to communicate with them I
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mean it's probably like talking to a brick wall but did you attempt to like
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hey guys you know we're already here yeah we did uh when we found out
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that NSA was involved we actually we we uh uncovered uh two uh NSA officers
who
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rented a house across the street from Paul and uh we confronted them uh later
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I went out to the uh NSA facility on kland Air Force Base star range it's
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called and confronted the uh operations officer with uh National Security Agency
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out there and ask him why are you interfering with our investigation he said
because we got uh command Authority
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out of uh Washington to to to uh investigate Paul benowitz too and I said
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you should have uh coordinated that the your investigation our investigation you
knew we were doing it and then I pulled
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out a a a a briefcase that I had and the bugs that they had placed in there I threw
down on his desk I said there's
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your bugs we took them out he said we don't have authority to do that and I said
yeah I do I we do have authority
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it's our operation it's not your operation if you want to put those bugs back in
there you're going to coordinate with us and then I was briefed on what
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they were concerned about and what they were concerned about and this is not
classified anymore um they have a they
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had they were experimenting with laser systems on Kirland and one of their laser
systems
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that they were uh uh experimenting with which at that time was highly classified
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was they were pointing uh the laser up in the sky at so passing Soviet
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Satellites and the laser would blind the lens of the satellite so they couldn't take
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pictures of the base Kirtland had a lot of classified areas on the base and Paul
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had tapped into the the signals the the the communication systems uh that that
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was used to to do that and I didn't know about that until I was briefed at that
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point he said and so n NSA considered that would that to be uh uh espion
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sabotage so that's when the FBI became involved in it because the FBI is
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responsible for any type of of uh Espionage activities in within the United States
and so we brought in FBI
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uh some people that I worked with all the time with the FBI even though we were
federal agents uh we always let the
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the FBI handle uh Sans outside military control anyways uh that's how they
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became involved in this and and um but uh we found that uh Paul was Paul was a
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scientist a physicist he owned a scientific laboratory he did a lot of
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experiments there he made uh devices for submarines and for uh Air Force
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aircrafts and so he was smart very smart and he had some uh a good theoretical
uh
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technicians working with him at his lab and so they they created a device that
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was able to detect uh frequencies in a broader range than than normal and so
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and that's what he was using to tap into the signals that were directing the uh
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the rail laser up towards the passing Soviet Satellites uh in in itself that
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would not be uh esage or sabotage but because Paul didn't know what he was
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doing he didn't know what he was collecting right but so now now we got a
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we got a problem we got to convince Paul that the signals that he was receiving
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was also UFOs uh related extra terrestrials and not uh anything to do
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with the laser program so now uh NSA turned that over to back over to me
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because once we found out that he wasn't stealing anything uh then then I had a
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double sword then I had to convince him that those signals were in fact ET signals
and that that presented a a
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Pandora's Box so to speak and you know I can't imagine for you that felt
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comfortable feeding him that information because at that point you you know you
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you're friends with the guy you feel for him
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and because of that government bureaucracy now you're forced into this
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situation well not necessarily government bureaucracy it it it was just a job that uh
I had to do because of my
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position and and the fact that I I wasn't well this is where the part this
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is where the operation turned uh away from my ability to contribute uh some
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things to it to the operations plan they created a brand new operations plan uh
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they sent it down to me without uh ask asking for any input for me and they said
this is what you're going to do you
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know there's 20 or whatever it was 20 different things I had to do and and so
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I looked at him and I went to my supervisor who was a civilian a gm15 and
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I and I said to him I said you know John uh I don't know that that we should be
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able to do all these things because uh I think just I suggested other uh courses
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of action to take and and uh John said said well you know that this came down
from headquarters so we got to follow
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what they said and so we had a a secure telephone conversation conference call
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with this some of the people in Washington and um I put in my two cents said you
know I suggest we do these
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things and there were five or six different things and they said NOP you're going to
do it our way I said
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because he said we're dealing with National Security here and we can't make a
mistake and if there's a mistake made
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it's rather we make it up here than you make it down there okay okay I had no
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choice but to follow orders and and do it the way they wanted to yeah and again
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and so the Paul Benoit story um that's kind of is would you say did
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you ever have a Fascination in real UFOs or did it kind of Spawn out of you know
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because I can't imagine you know feeding UFO disinformation you'd have to start
studying up on it um
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you know going to conventions maybe hearing people speak um did you do all
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those things um and then get interested in the real topic of UFOs because you're
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like holy something there's actually something here or um was it you already had
an interest
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before the benoits case no this goes back to
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1979 uh I was asked to uh investigate a case out of CT out of place called kyot
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Canyon a classified testing range on Kirtland whereby a a private security
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guard from sandan National Laboratories observed a uh something a UFO land at a
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classified storage area I investigate that incident I knew nothing about UFOs
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or United States government involvement with UFOs before that and when I I was
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pushed into this investigation and therefore I had to be briefed into a program a
special program uh so I went
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out I went to a location on Kirtland on West Side of Kirtland Air Force Special
Security office is called and I was
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given a briefing into the program and this briefing consisted of United States
government involvement with the
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investigation of UFOs uh and contacts from
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1947 uh to present day which would have been 79 and uh they showed me they
showed
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film I wasn't the only one in the room there were a number of other people do
getting the same briefing and uh showed
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us uh the Roswell recovery film it talked about other crash sites talked
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about different species of extraterrestrials they showed the film yeah we showed
you the Roswell
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film The Recovery film yes their efforts in recovery of the Roso
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wreckage yes okay yeah military film from
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1947 showed of all of us they showed us the the live picture of a live ET that
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they they found in the craft uh they talked about the 1949 craft same type of craft
same type
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of extraterrestrials uh that had crashed farther west wa out near palona Peak uh
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past uh Sor Mexico and um so this briefing lasted a couple hours uh so now
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I know that United States government and the afo side still continue to
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investigate UFOs and UFO sightings and the criteria was if uh a UFO was cited
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near a base or on a base involving Air Force resources Air Force aircrafts or
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Air Force personnel the afo OSI would investigate it and it would be a classified
investigation because if you
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can remember back in 1969 the condom report the Air Force wiped their hands
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supposedly of of UFO matters and turned everything over to DIA which was a
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relatively new agency back then and uh the Air Force wasn't supposed to be
involved in this anymore but uh we were
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we were and we still and and that agency is still doing it I was gonna say side
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note do you you think that that is why the Air Force is still the most Hush
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Hush about this
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yeah because they really really really know what's going
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on yeah uh and I'll give you an example uh I was called up to Washington DC in
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January of 2022 to uh give a deposition on my uh
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knowledge of of the UFO phenomena uh the Department of Defense
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inspector General's office called me up there uh we were in a secure area uh and
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they asked me a number of questions about what I did during my time in and they
had a two reports that I had done
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way back in the 1980s and they showed me these reports and the first thing I
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noticed that they were heavily redacted and I looked at the reports I looked at
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the last page and I said I said yeah I remember these reports but
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uh what what do you want to know about them and they they started asking me
questions about them I said well can you can you reach in there and get me an
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unredacted report because I don't remember everything I did 40 years ago and
they told me we can't get one afosi
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won't give us an unredacted report and I said wait a minute you guys you
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remember yes and be able to fill in the gaps exactly and I saidwell you mean to tell
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me that you're the dodig and you can't get an under redacted report and they
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said no we tried everything so that gives you example of of of the uh
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there's no cooperation between different agencies within the government
regarding
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this topic and so I said well I I'll do the best I can looking through it and telling you
about it it was a recovery
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operation that happened that that that they gave me a report on uh and then in
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September of 2022 I went back to Washington uh and uh spoke to a
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different set of people within the um the ig's office but they had finally an
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unredacted report that I did okay and they said hey okay this is an underd
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report we want to know about it and that was the PO benowitz case uh with all the
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different twist and and and and and and turns that this case had and it was a uh
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I think it was like a thousand pages in this report and that seven Lambs uh so I
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said well what do you want to know about it and they said we would specifically
want to know about the photographs that he took uh on such and such a date right
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up near Springer New Mexico and I told him I said yeah I had him I I saw him I
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uh and what happened was Paul was he's a pilot also Paul was pilot Private Pilot
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pilot yeah Paul was a pilot he had AE a Cessna 180 uh he he flew flew that
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around he had a problems so because first of all Paul wasn't in the best of
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health Paul smoked four or five packs of cigarettes a day he drank excessively uh
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large amounts of Co caffeine every day Court bottles of cocacola drink coffee
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didn't take care of himself okay so that's one thing he was having problems
getting clearing his uh FAA uh physical
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but he would still fly anyways anyways he was flying up there as he was he he
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went up to Douce he had with him a person that worked in the laboratory with him
and he was a photographer that
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person was a photographer so Paul got they got in a plane we were flying back
and they were over a
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Northern New Mexico place called Springer and a huge UFO came down and
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almost touched his wing his left wing and it stayed right there in fact Paul
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in in his uh his right seat photographer could could actually
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look through a portal and see something moving in there and this and of course
the uh the guy that he had with him took
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a lot of pictures of this uh this UFO seemed to follow him but it was very
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careful not to not to sway into Paul's uh air paath uh Paul when he had to make
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a course correction the UFO seemed to anticipate it and moved away from him
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and so before you met him or after or during no this is during during
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operation this is about a year operation
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year I didn't mean to interrupt um do you think that there's even a slivers of
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a chance that it was us deep deep deep deeper than you go
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deeper the Deep black black black you know in the earth uh uh black hole kind
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of program following him well if it was it surprised a lot of
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people because when we uh uh when pog got back after this after he got back
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late one night and he immediately called me uh I I I was unmarried and I lived in
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an apartment uh um and it was like a I think it was a Saturday night and uh
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actually I remember having a date that night I wasn't married at time of course and
uh Paul called me and he was oh so
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almost screaming on the phone you gotta come over here gotta come over here I
gotta show you something gotta come over here please please I said okay okay
okay
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Paul calm down I said 'what is it he said I I I had a I had I almost hit was
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hit by a UFO I got pictures of it and so I thought okay so I called up
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another I called another agent uh who was actually the duty agent we always
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had a duty agent 24-hour Duty agent and I wasn't Duty agent but he was anyway
we went out we went over to the lab and he
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had a his own uh photo studio there he could he could develop his own film and
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he had he had he had just come out when we got there uh of a studio and he had
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uh you know 8 by 10s and 5 by sevs and he had him on his desk or table next to
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his desk he said look look there see them so I start looking at him I thought
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wow and I said well he tells me the whole story about you know how it
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happened and I said well Paul um I need to have these verified so can I can I
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get them I need also the negatives and he said yeah so he gave me everything and
then Monday I showed them
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to my boss and and some other people that working on this project with me and
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uh they said and one of the people that uh was working on this project was a a
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24-year uh veteran of the special projects branch of OSI which spel which
35:49
dealt specifically with the subject of UFOs he spent 24 years doing this stuff
35:54
and I I showed him this he said yep and he immediately just looking at it saying
35:59
that's such and such a craft it's it's flown by such and such a species of it and I
said you already know this stuff
36:06
he said yeah oh this thing was legit huge craft it
36:12
was it was so this was not ours this was an
36:18
alien yeah it was definitely alien and so we we uh we packaged everything up
36:24
sent it up to with a report sent up to Washington to to uh osid and uh for for the
longest time I
36:33
didn't hear back finally I inquired uh what what about I there
36:41
there was somebody within a Dia that I was dealing with because after 19 69 the
36:47
condom report all OSI generated reports went through OSI to DIA and Dia actually
36:56
was the one that uh was a clearing house they they're the ones that stored it all
and they had all the special analysts up
37:02
there anyways I asked the DI guy said uh on a secure line I said well what do you
think of it and he said
37:10
well you're not cleared yet I said what do you mean I'm not cleared I said I already
seen the pictures I'm
37:16
investigating this he said well we'll have to get you cleared I said you gotta be
kidding me so anyway I said okay you
37:23
know you so I go and talk to my boss my boss says oh
37:28
well well you can curse okay he said I saidwell you want to get me
37:34
cleared or I mean I've already seen these pictures like yeah like what the is the
point of that I saw the
37:41
goddamn things so he said well you know there's a need to know everything which
here is
37:46
in the government there's even though you have a highest L security clearance
there's a need to know and and I said
37:52
okay so a couple days later he said okay you need to go go back over to AF so and
you're going to get cleared on something
37:58
else so I went over there and I got cleared on uh they told me about five species of
ETS that have been visited
38:05
Earth and the type of crafts they fly and they're all different bio biology bi they all
have different bi U
38:15
uh biologies uh and they all have different Technologies they come from different
planets and all this and I
38:20
thought myself wow we already know all this stuff we must have been dealing with
these things for years I mean
38:26
that's my that was my impression so I get briefed on that now I'm in that part of it
I'm
38:31
in so I go back and now I can I read things that are coming in on a a secure
38:38
uh system uh encrypted uh message system that dealing with
38:43
extraterrestrial uh contacts or extral sightings of of right what we call
38:50
identified alien Craft iac's um and so I said wow this is
38:56
really and and then I realized how many of these things are being seen all over
39:01
and so anyways I got that briefing and um and how many these if if I can
39:08
interject really quickly yeah so you you said that you were you were told about
39:14
species can you get into any specifics about
39:20
um maybe one of the most common species uh that we see visiting
39:28
in your if if you have to phrase it in your educated opinion what do you
39:35
think well we didn't uh we didn't discuss uh statistics is in that are
39:41
area realm uh we just in a briefing and there was only four of us in this briefing uh
it was just uh the number
39:50
there were five different species uh they had we names that di named them for
39:55
some particular reason never told us why they called them what they did uh but
there's a lot of people out there that
40:01
know this it this has been on the internet for a long time um anyways the
40:07
the the most benevolent uh they did talk about uh whether these were some were
40:14
dangerous to humans or not the benevolent ones were the Evans the ones
40:19
that crashed in Roswell the one we had in captivity from 47 to 52 it was they
40:25
were just considered Grays but they yeah yeah they were considered the
40:30
Evans the extra biological entities uh and they named them we apparently we had
40:36
more than one in captivity but at that time we only had one uh they were uh they
came from Zeta
40:43
reticuli uh they were um uh three to four foot tall uh they had a number of
40:50
they they they had ears and eyes they had a mouth but they didn't eat food like we
ate didn't have any
40:57
teeth um they um they they were extremely
41:03
smart um they had um their skin was grayish
41:11
colored uh but they wore the same color of of like a flight suit a one piece
41:17
suit over right so they're they they're their skin isn't exposed exposed so like
41:23
a tight fitting wet suit right yeah exactly very very thin um they didn't
41:31
eat food the way they had their own food in the space would they take like a like
41:40
so because I've heard a accounts recently about um them like they do have
41:47
a mouth and they put this like capsulle in and it kind of like
41:54
um it maintains their Avatar because you know that's really what it is I I don't
42:01
know how much Insight you would have to it you don't have to say anything about
it but it's something I heard recently
42:06
and um from a from a source that I deem credible that might be it but I I didn't
42:13
know anything about that only thing I knew is that they had these elated uh pills
TOS to look like pills and they
42:21
would uh insert it into their mouth and it would I guess dissolve or something
42:27
and that's that's her food that's your only food but so but is confirmation kind of
about
42:35
so there was a pill of some sort that was ingested by these
42:41
beings yeah okay cool but ironically they still they they they did require
42:47
water what Apparently one of the most common uh things that these creatures
had they had common was with water yeah
42:55
water they they consum water and and uh but the but uh I didn't
43:04
know much any any more about it than that uh the Avatar thing I've heard I've
43:10
asked asked some people about that they don't they haven't answered back with
me I mean hly it's semantics when you
43:18
really think about it it is semantics because whether or not these things are
43:24
standing I mean you the story I want to get to is because I
43:30
find it to be the most jaw-dropping that you tell is the closed
43:36
caption alien interview that you watched um so I don't know if we're skipping
43:43
ahead way like way far ahead um but how
43:48
far is it between you getting access to this server or whatever um this back
43:56
door into the government's knowledge into to these species you're being read
44:01
into these projects how far is that from you seeing this this closed caption in
44:09
you know interview that was somewhere on the base you just it wasn't you were
watching it on
44:15
TV that incident happened at Area 51 it was several years later yeah okay so
44:24
maybe we can wait to get to that um so continue with uh Kur kurtland okay uh
44:33
so once once I got that special Access program uh down and cleared for uh the
44:42
other incident uh okay during this time frame during the investigation um Leo
sprinkle and Alan
44:49
heinik uh became involved with uh Paul benowitz uh they brought Paul a a
44:57
monitor a uh for his computer uh and it was a black and white
45:02
Monitor and they they brought it to him unbeknownst to us uh Paul didn't think
much of it
45:09
because he knew both people and he thought well it's it's a gift I think it
45:15
was right around holiday I think it was before Christmas and that he he wanted
45:20
to uh they wanted to give him this gift so Paul took it and he started using it
45:27
uh this is when all these strange uh visual things came on the monitor the
45:34
the the writings that came up that he he had printed and things like that um and
45:40
he had it for about a week uh a little over a week and then finally Paul called
45:45
me one day and said uh uh Richard you need look at look at what I got on my
45:53
monitor and uh now we had already all our technical experts had already
45:58
checked out his computer his old monitor uh so we had a we had an expert
46:05
um uh computer person uh her name was Teresa she was an agent OSI agent but
46:11
she was expert and all all different things to do with computers of course
computers back in those days were you
46:16
know relatively nude to us although although I can tell you that that in 19
46:22
uh 80 I had a laptop computer and I could send message messages on the
46:28
defense uh Communications Network the dcn uh and we got them because the
46:34
military gets all the all the new technologies way before yeah that's that's just a
side note anyways we go I
46:43
go we go out to uh Paul's uh office with t Tes and I won't go over there and the
46:49
first thing I noticed when Paul says look at this I said Paul where'd you get
46:55
this monitor he said oh oh Alan heinik brought it to me I said you what why
47:03
didn't you tell me this he said well you know I thought it was just a gift and so I
said and then he showed me all these
47:10
things that were coming up on the monitor I thought well bull I said I tell you what
we're disconnecting this
47:17
monitor Teresa is gonna take it back to her shop she's going to go over it with a
fine Toth comb and then she's going to
47:23
we're going to figure out what you know if if this has been bugged so I said
47:28
well where is uh heik and he said well he's he's uh he's with Leo sprinkle
47:34
they're doing a investigation here on on a on a abductee I said okay I said where's
he
47:41
staying at and they told me someplace a hotel and um so I said okay so I left
47:48
there I contacted Jerry Brown FBI agent that I worked with and I I said Jerry I said
we need to go over and talk to
47:54
these people so so he meets me over this actually was a uh like a extended living
48:01
apartment type thing uh situation and we went over there and just as we got there
48:07
we saw uh Leo and and heinik and I knew him both I had met him before uh well
48:13
yeah yeah they they they're at this time they're publicly involved with Project
48:20
Blue Book right this is a 19 this is 19 881 Bluebook had been
48:27
closed but but I yeah in 16 10 years before but I knew
48:34
they were and and I saw them I said oh there they are right now so we kind of
followed them to where they were staying
48:39
in this apartment and and I said I I had actually met Leo sprinkle
48:45
before and talked to him Alan heinik I saw him in the room once uh but I didn't
actually formally introduce myself so I
48:53
did identif we pull out our credential uh Jerry and I and showed them I said we
48:59
need to talk to you about something so they became defensive but anyways they
went inside we went in an apartment I
49:05
said uh did you give Paul benowitz a a monitor a computer monitor and Heidi
49:10
said yeah I did I bought it I said where'd you buy that he told me where
49:16
some store someplace and I think Phoenix anyways I said okay
49:21
I said what did Paul tell you he said well said that you guys are investigating him
49:28
and the aliens that he's in contact with and all this stuff I said he Paul told you all
that that's all classified right
49:36
right yeah yeah Paul told me all that I said okay I said well guess what guys
49:42
now you're going to be under investigations because uh what he told you is
sensitive and so then Jerry uh uh
49:50
the FBI agent Jerry Brown immediately W him the riot act right and u
49:56
and happy about this heik I think was gonna cry said you
50:03
ruin my reputation I said no we're not ruining anything you already did it you
50:08
ruined it by by showing up here and and and getting involved yep so we we kind of
did gave
50:17
him a debriefing and they said oh they promised they w't talk about it and and I
said well I can't keep you from seeing
50:23
Paul benowitz but I can uh if you provide him any further in uh any items
50:30
or if he tells you anything you're gonna might end up testifying in a court a federal
court oh no no we're not gonna
50:37
do that we're not gonna do that so yeah back heik H is hex also for form like he
50:44
did work with Project Blue Book he knows that you're serious and when you get I
50:49
mean he knows that I would consider the guy a patriotic guy um and if you guys
told
50:57
him listen you can't say anything like you guys are now part of this investigation
you know they would
51:02
probably take that pretty seriously yeah he did and when we went from there over
to talk to Paul read
51:09
Paul the riot act and Paul said no no no no no I I didn't tell them all that stuff I said
well how would they know it
51:16
they they're assuming this I said Paul listen one more mistake on your part
51:22
that one more mistake on your part and this is probably the only time I ever really
became angry at Paul I said and
51:29
you're in trouble I can guarantee you're going to be in trouble I said you're going to
lose pointing over to his
51:34
laboratory and said you're gonna lose every single government contract you have
and Paul said I will never do it
51:41
again I my lips are sealed and as far as I know he never he never
51:46
now it's one thing to it's one thing to
51:52
tell like your your wife or a friend and like Confidant but no you
51:59
just told the former Project Blue Book scientist who is
52:07
now investigating cases on his own with Leo sprinkle uh it's like like Paul you made
52:14
a very big mistake yeah he did and he realized it
52:20
and uh yeah he he he he but now this brings up another part of the
52:27
investigation uh Mah Hansen I don't know if you know about the Mah Hansen case
um
52:33
no anyways Leo sprinkle and alen heinik were in Albuquerque or New Mexico uh uh
52:40
conducting an investigation on the Mah Hansen and Mah Hansen was a uh very un
52:47
uneducated uh married unmarried woman with a son uh living up in uh Northern
52:53
New Mexico she was driving down a road uh she missing time she her and her son
52:59
seven-year-old son was abducted taken into a large facility uh and all sorts of
experiments
53:06
were done on both her and her son um she described the facility she did have the
53:12
ability to draw she was really good at drawing and what she
53:17
Drew uh later we found out would be similar to a classified storage bunker
53:24
out at Kirtland Air Force space so we thought oh my God somebody took her out
53:29
there because it's a it number one she had no affiliation with the military uh
53:34
none of her family had been in military well she never even knew her dad her
mother wasn't they didn't have any
53:40
friends who were in the military she was the only child so never had
53:45
access you brought it you also brought up you know she wasn't super educated so
53:51
it's not like you know she was studying geography of and a and and maps and you
53:56
know doing all that kind of stuff uh in her spare time right she she was she
54:02
dropped out of school when she was like 14 or 15 and anyways uh so uh they were
54:10
uh Leo and they they saw this drawing and then anyway we get involved in this
54:16
because it's on ctland and we know where this facility is so I mean we
54:22
immediately went out there to look at it and other facility is a bunker above ground
bunker that had an underground
54:30
facility and it was used uh it was an experimental bunker use that they were going
to build later on to store nuclear
54:37
weapons in it they would what they would do is uh they put the nuclear weapon in
on a platform and then drop it down 60
54:44
feet close it up so if a terrorist or enemy got into that bunker the nuclear
54:49
weapon was 60 ft down and they couldn't get to it and that's basically the the
bunker so we went out there and looked
54:54
at the this bunker that that we think that she had B into because she drew it and
we got inside of it and we went down
55:02
and everything she described was exactly the same as this bunker
55:08
uh except she was talking about this hatch off to the off to the uh one side
55:15
uh to the to the left excuse me facing the back of the
55:20
bunker and she said when you open that they took me inside and had Vats of of
55:26
human bodies well this hatch when you open it up it was an escaped hatch uh if
55:33
somebody was trapped down there could get out uh crawl out so we got
concerned
55:39
that she had been down there so we started an investigation trying to figure out
who took her down there but
55:45
we couldn't never find exactly and so we uh then we took
55:51
over we we paid her money we she was treated by military
55:57
Physicians uh we even bought her a little car we uh you know because we
56:02
thought somehow she's connected to this thing somehow or maybe she was really
an
56:09
abductee now at that point I didn't know anything about AB abductions I I I was
56:14
never bred into it and this is a funny story when I do the report and sent it
56:19
up to DIA about a week later these two Dia agents come down from Washington
and
56:27
of course we're a secure facility OSI and they come out and they're at the security
checkpoint the the the security
56:34
guy calls me he says hey uh there's two guys here from DIA they do have yellow
cards well yellow cards there we have
56:41
different types of credentials that will get you into any place any place any if I went
from kland to to right Patterson
56:48
Air Force Space if I had the right type of card I could get into any facility I
56:54
I said okay I said uh okay send them in so they come in they sit down they said hey
yeah we we're uh we're here to talk
57:00
about this uh this report that you sent up on this Mah Hansen I said who who are
57:06
you guys with he says we're in we're in uh section D7 I said what's d17 he says the
57:14
abduction investigation section and I said what we have we have a section we
57:21
have a section that investigates abductions he said what and I said holy cow I said
he
57:29
said oh you're not briefed in yet and I said yeah I've never been briefed in so
57:35
what I do you never got briefed in I never oh I did eventually after they
57:41
left I went over to AF Air Force Special Security office went through the same
57:46
briefing about abductions the fact that we've know all the stuff about abductions
which really shocked me
57:52
because I never even knew anything about so anyways uh that that's a side note
57:58
and the side part of the the the Paul Benoit case and uh another very
58:04
fascinating incident that happened I don't know uh are we on for an hour what are
we how long we on for because
58:12
we're do do you have an hour show or longer um
58:21
Tyler I I'll just keep talking anyways uh one night uh myself uh
58:29
another agent uh Steve and then um Jerry Miller
58:34
went out to Paul bench's house for dinner it was a rainy
58:41
night I don't know what just H what just
58:52
happened microphone check microphone check can you hear the microphone yes
I hear you I hear you now
58:59
all right so it's just you I can't hear
59:18
now all right uh can you trust speaking yeah can you hear me now
59:25
yeah I don't know
59:31
why testing one two 3 5 4 3 2 one
59:39
happened one second I apologize
59:50
okay can I think I just heard you okay testing one two three testing one two
59:57
three yep I just yep I heard that test one two three testing one two three 3
1:00:04
two one testing hear me now
1:00:12
yep okay there it is y there it is there it is sorry about that my
1:00:18
friend okay where did we are we are we going Beyond an hour right because uh
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay okay all
1:00:25
right um I I began by talking about an incident that happened at Paul Bow's
1:00:31
house uh myself another agent Steve and Jerry Miller went out to Paul's house
1:00:38
for dinner one night um we had a a nice dinner his wife cooked it uh after
1:00:46
dinner we went into a a side room a room like a a den I had a a a lounge a
1:00:55
couch and myself I was sitting uh in one end and Steve the other agent was
1:01:01
sitting in the other end and to my left with two lounge chairs Jerry Miller was
sitting in one and Paul B was sitting on
1:01:07
the other this room the house had cathedral ceilings but there was a
1:01:13
chandelier above me the wall that was in front of me was all just just a white
1:01:18
wall uh farther to the right was slidy glass doors that went out to the to a uh
1:01:24
outside patio and then farther to the right was a uh an
1:01:30
area window area another room so we were sitting there uh wife was going to bring
1:01:37
us coffee and Brandy all that you drink brandy but um yeah I was looking I was
1:01:43
looking at the wall and all of a sudden I see this ball a light ball down at the
1:01:49
lower leftand corner just light up and it started
1:01:55
uh moving twinkling moving moving up the wall in a diagonal formation I looked
1:02:02
over at Jerry and he tapped his watch and I looked at Steve I want to
1:02:08
make sure everybody was seeing what I was seeing I said do you see this and you
know I didn't say it but I he and he
1:02:14
made he said yeah so this thing moved up the wall all the way up and I again this is
1:02:22
cathedral ceilings the wall went all the way up now it didn't stay against the
1:02:27
wall it came out so I knew it wasn't a reflection or somebody shining something
against the wall it went all the way up
1:02:34
above the chandelier and spun around then they came back down almost
1:02:40
the same path that it went up but it stopped right in the middle of the room uh and
I'm looking at everybody and
1:02:49
we're looking at this thing and Paul's kind of just nonchalantly looking at it and and
then it it it was twinkling and
1:02:56
turning and all of a sudden it went back towards the wall went back down D
diagonally to the bottom left-and corner
1:03:03
and disappeared so I uh I looked at Jerry
1:03:08
and Jerry looked at his watch and the reason Jerry looked at his watch is we didn't
want to be involved in any
1:03:15
missing time we didn't know what this was so Jerry was a seasoned
1:03:20
investigator so I I kind of said I understood what he said I said said to Paul what
was that he
1:03:27
said so now you see what I we see all the time and his wife comes out of the
1:03:32
kitchen and she had a tray of coffee and U she said oh our visitors came to say
1:03:39
hi to you to us and and she set to put cof down like hey just like hey it's
1:03:47
Tuesday I said I said that was unbelievable this has happened before
1:03:52
and and Pa said all the time all the time I said where are they coming from
1:03:58
he said you tell me so then immediately the expert started we started the
investigation
1:04:05
with Jerry was the technical expert and we started getting equipment out of our
vehicles and we started scanning and we
1:04:11
started doing all these things and and and I we pulled Paul aside we took him
1:04:17
in actually a front room of house that a little foer fo you and and in there it
1:04:24
was standing against the wall I said Paul listen to me if you did this you're
1:04:30
G to get in a hell of a lot of trouble I want you to tell me the absolute truth he said
Rick I don't know what it is it
1:04:37
come they come and go they're the aliens that I'm telling you about he said I can't
do that I can't duplicate that so
1:04:46
over a period of a couple weeks we tried to duplicate it we were trying to do all
sorts of things well I wasn't but the
1:04:51
technical people were we couldn't duplicate it let's remind people of the year that
1:04:58
this happened because you know the technology that we have nowadays you know
you could fake a you know fake
1:05:05
something like that where you know like you you with a with a you know projector
1:05:11
and you know if you really wanted to try to fool someone this day and age there's
1:05:16
technology to do so but back then this is a whole different world uh we're
1:05:22
talking about m like ma mainly you know basic technology
1:05:29
so did well we didn't we knew uh we knew it
1:05:36
wasn't something that he did uh we eliminated that we
1:05:41
eliminated any type of outside interference uh experts watched uh uh or
1:05:51
watch what we did we filmed the whole house uh we didn't film this obviously we
didn't have any cameras but uh they
1:05:58
they listen to what how we described it and Jerry described it and Steve described
it and uh they came to the
1:06:04
conclusion it was May fact be extraterrestrial because they couldn't duplicate it
and they
1:06:10
couldn't figure out exactly what it was so what what do you say I I you know it
1:06:15
was a loss for words nobody seemed and Al though we had visitors from uh NSA
uh
1:06:21
Dia CIA uh The Institute for uh uh the research
1:06:29
the US US Air Force Research Institute uh the Special Operations
1:06:35
Center US Air Force Los Alamos came down and they they scoured the house uh
they
1:06:42
actually took that wall apart they took that wall with with consent from Paul we
1:06:48
were going to replace it is they took the wall totally took it down examined
1:06:54
inside of it and and there was nothing there so we don't
1:07:00
know where how it came where it came from uh Paul did film one occasion after
1:07:07
this and this was like about 1983 Paul did film a uh a ball this light
1:07:16
ball call them orbs he he filmed it in his house uh he came home from uh his
1:07:22
wife and I him came home from a movie or something and um the what happens is
um and I didn't
1:07:30
actually feel this but jery did when just before the ball appeared there
1:07:36
seemed to be a lot of static in the room I mean I didn't feel it but Jerry
1:07:42
did and and actually Steve did too okay and
1:07:47
so when when Pond's wife came home from uh whatever movie or something they
were
1:07:52
at he felt felt that and so he immediately went got his camera video camera 8 mm
had 8mm camera and he was
1:08:02
walking around the house he didn't see anything then but when he walked up the
steps towards the bedroom he saw the orb
1:08:10
the ball of light coming right at him and immediately started filming it so he had
about uh 10 or 12 seconds of it on
1:08:18
film and God and so he of course gave that to us and we analyzed it and nobody
1:08:25
seemed to know what what it was so that part of it these pictures Paul benowitz
took the
1:08:34
negatives you guys took the all the evid you know the real the the the stuff that
1:08:39
he gave you that we consider legit that you consider legit where is all
1:08:48
that yeah it's up in DIA uh filing cabinets
1:08:54
uh somewhere I don't I guess uh I never saw it again regret do you do you regret
1:09:01
not making a copy of at least one of these things and keeping it or violate
1:09:10
every well I I would have gotten trouble
1:09:16
because it would it was classfied so I uh I followed the rules and uh you know
1:09:23
I think back now yeah I wish I would have kept the some one of them or two of
them right but you know that just wasn't
1:09:29
feasible back then I mean yeah you got to turn all that stuff in yeah just like
1:09:35
it's just like a a police officer going to a crime scene and you got all this crime all
these all this evidence and
1:09:42
you want to keep one for your own you can't do that I mean this right this could
have been could have been a crime
1:09:48
scene in a way some type of federal investigation or something so no I
1:09:54
couldn't keep I got you yeah no no no morally Justified absolutely um it it
1:10:00
just sucks because now it's like and the next story we're going to
1:10:05
talk about like they not only do they have evidence like that Paul benoit's
1:10:11
clip but they have evidence that could
1:10:18
literally just disclose to everybody in the matter of minutes that this is a
1:10:25
legitimate that aliens exist right that UFOs are real they they have all that
1:10:32
evidence and they could they they could change the course of human history
1:10:38
by by releasing some of the evidence and allowing the general public the the
knowledge um that that I think that we
1:10:46
we are owed um so you you end up going to the infamous area
1:10:54
51 now people who work there know it as Groom Lake um so Groom Lake your
1:11:01
experience at Groom Lake um were did you did you hear did you know the rumors
1:11:07
about Area 51 before going in did you I mean what's your mindset going into that
1:11:19
base you're uh muted
1:11:25
I'm sorry uh the way way it started was this uh there was a uh two agents
1:11:33
stationed out there uh permanently uh one of one of them uh got
1:11:39
sick really sick uh and left had had they put him sent him to a hospital in
1:11:46
uh in Texas uh another agent went on a
1:11:52
um uh um extended vacation or extended leave for for other reasons anyways so
1:12:00
there's had to be two people replacing them and uh I was a 9q or I had been
1:12:06
briefed into the program and I talked about all those different programs they're
called Nine
1:12:11
q's and uh my boss came to me he said you going you go on TDY or temporary
Duty TDY is temporary Duty uh out to
1:12:19
Nevada I said okay all right so I just said okay what where am I going he said
1:12:25
you're going to uh uh a classified location a site Alpha that uh
1:12:31
unclassified uh was called fori was called s Alpha okay um I said okay and I
1:12:38
had no idea where this was I I didn't know anything about Area 51 I knew Nellis Air
Force Base was out
1:12:47
there yeah and Cree Air Force Base was out there but I and I knew the Nevada Test
Site was out there but I didn't
1:12:53
know about A51 anyways uh he said well uh you're going to you're going to fly
1:12:59
up Vegas uh you're gonna gonna uh somebody's gonna pick you up and they're
going to take you over to Nellis and
1:13:06
you're GNA get a briefed in and then they're going to give you a vehicle it's going
to be a Jeep cdh7 is cheap and and
1:13:12
then you're going to drive out there and I said well drive out where he said drive
out to the to the base I said what
1:13:18
base course you know and he said just go out there you they'll tell you so I go I fly
out there I go to Nellis and they I
1:13:25
go into the room and skiff and they brief me they they tell you okay you're going
out to they call it Detachment 3
1:13:33
Air Force flight test center uh Groom Lake I said
1:13:39
okay you're gonna you're gonna go to building 432 OSI office and you're going
1:13:45
to be briefed in by uh subes agent so and so so I said okay I'll do
1:13:51
that and this is a map to get out there and so I said okay yeah so I uh I
1:14:00
spent the night there in a boq at uh Nellis and I leave in the morning and I drive out
towards Alamo and and up the
1:14:09
road and and now there are these uh they
1:14:14
call them undistinguishable landmarks that people uh that you if you
1:14:20
were driving up there you would never notice them but that the the military or the
intelligence Community use to know
1:14:27
where to turn these are like secret secret
1:14:33
landar yeah you gotta have a special Gadget oh go into any more details
1:14:40
than that that's Jam B right there so I go and I you know I get out the
1:14:47
dirt road and driving forever and I thought Jesus where is this base and all a
sudden I come up and there's a gate
1:14:52
there and so I the the guards come out and and
1:14:58
at that time uh it was mil Air Force Security Personnel Force Security uh the
1:15:04
guard skates and uh is it something different now yeah
1:15:10
civilians uh the camo dudes military police no no no not military police the
1:15:16
cam dudes if you look at videos about it the civilian security guards the Outer
1:15:21
Perimeter the military police the enterpr back in those days the military
1:15:27
had it all okay he comes over to me he says yes may help you I said yeah and I
showed him a card and he looked and he
1:15:33
had to go back in the gate he come out sign I yeah I had the right car to get
1:15:39
in and then and I had sign in and he said okay I said well uh I've never been
1:15:45
out here where do I go he said uh you know just follow the road he said follow
1:15:50
the road you'll come to another gate uh uh you're they'll always they'll let you
1:15:55
in and they'll tag your vehicle I said okay and so I did and so I finally get
1:16:02
to the contonment area the base area and I go around a room at the building 432
1:16:08
which was the OSI office and I couldn't get in there they had a phone on the
outside I called in they said okay yeah
1:16:14
well they knew I they were expecting me because they had my orders I went in and
I checked in
1:16:19
then uh I was briefed by uh one of the agent in charge out there special agent
1:16:24
in charge and he tells me that I'm taking over for so so and so who's sick and you
know he laughed and he said
1:16:32
you're probably gonna be here for 90 to 180 days I said oh okay I wasn't married
or anything so I yeah
1:16:39
just yeah so I said first question was oh what exactly is this base he said
1:16:46
well we're gonna brief you in and let you know that but uh there's other things you
got to do first I said okay
1:16:52
so the first first thing they they did was you got to I had to take these fingerprint I
had to do these finger
1:16:58
specialized prints uh they don't just print your fingers they
1:17:04
print up it's up like this your hand actually your fingers you put your four
1:17:10
fingers in and they they a light reads it and it goes up over your hand like this they
do both of mine and then they
1:17:17
say okay we need to uh we to get a little drop of your blood and I do that
1:17:23
that and I'm over at another place doing all this stuff and I said okay and then
1:17:28
uh he said well my boss says tomorrow morning you got to be over there at 8
o'clock and
1:17:33
they're going to brief you in to the program he said yeah you got five special
access programs you have to be
1:17:40
briefed into so okay no problem so I so they put me up in a in a a boq on Bas
1:17:49
nice little studio apartment the the cafeteria or the chah was down there and
1:17:56
the base exchange was over here and they told me this but they said you cannot
leave the conment area you so you were
1:18:03
confined you were literally so you were confined yeah to where the base actually
1:18:09
was I couldn't I couldn't go anywhere else other than that and I said okay he said
don't ever don't try it I said oh
1:18:17
I'm not I'm not so this place is locked down to degree that that not even you saw
1:18:26
before no so I spent the night I I set
1:18:32
up in the room they gave me in the studio apartment and I I went down to eat
dinner and it was it was similar to
1:18:38
a a military dining facility or child but but it was a lot nicer I think it
1:18:44
was Lot really nicer the food was really really nice anyways the next more I go back
up I watch TV they had TV there uh
1:18:51
uh and I and then we get morning and I I immediately go over to this building uh
1:18:57
I think it was 266 uh to to get this briefing so I go over there and they let me in I go
in
1:19:04
and they take put me in this room and and they and I go through the whole briefing
and they tell me exactly what
1:19:10
they do out there uh what they test uh limited access because I don't
1:19:18
have the technical need to know but they told told me about the different areas
got
1:19:25
Area 51 here you got the S2 down here you got this up here you got this over
1:19:32
here uh you have access to all those areas but not all the facilities at
1:19:37
those areas it's okay and so uh then at the
1:19:43
end of that briefing it was really nothing really classified it was just
1:19:50
just about the base and and it showed me maps and so forth but I noticed the
maps were all classified
1:19:56
secret so I said okay and I got all that and so he said okay now you need to go
down the hall and room whatever the room
1:20:03
was go down the hall room whatever and go in there and and they're going to give
you another briefing I said okay I
1:20:08
do that I sit there and I'm the only one in the room there's nobody else in the room
uh be the other briefing I had it
1:20:15
was like three or four four people there right so this one's there were I I was
1:20:20
the only civilian I was only in civilian clothes uh I only worked in s Co obviously the
the other three people
1:20:26
that I think there was four of us they were in military uniforms so they were they
were signed there as military so I
1:20:32
go down the hall I go in there and sit down and and I'm the only one there and this
woman comes in she introduces
1:20:38
herself she's in svine clothes and she says you're uh while you're out here you
1:20:44
although you're an NOS agent you're attached to the Air Force operational test
and evaluation center out of
1:20:50
Kurland Air Force Base that's what your badge will say and we're going to make
your badge for you and they do that and and I said okay
1:20:57
yeah no problem and he said okay she said okay the next uh part of the briefing is
1:21:03
classified with all these different caveats and it special access programs and I said
okay so she she briefs me it
1:21:11
takes her about 25 minutes and and I was I can't I
1:21:17
can't go into that because it's so classified I'm not going to go into what I I was
brief done yeah but it was
1:21:23
it pertained it pertained to what they were doing out there as far as reverse
engineering and some of the areas had
1:21:29
really sensitive things and I said okay all right well I was utterly shocked by
1:21:36
some of the things she in the briefing so I get the badge and she said okay you're
clear and she said here's your
1:21:43
monitor and they give you something and you have to wear it all the time while
you're out there uh and all I can say is
1:21:51
it's uh think of it as is something uh that they can keep track of where you're at at
all times that I'll just leave it
1:21:58
at that yeah so like for anyone who who wants to maybe understand it picture it
1:22:05
like an older GPS device where it it can allow
1:22:11
them to to know your location and again yeah like a if you remember what a pag I
1:22:19
don't know if you remember pagers yeah okay something like that yeah and you
1:22:25
know like you said earlier the military always gets the technology first
1:22:30
especially especially the place where they're doing R&D on it
1:22:36
so
1:22:41
um so quickly uh quickly before I I I I jump
1:22:47
into the next uh thing I do want to talk about that that close caption ilen interview
I'd be remissed if I didn't
1:22:54
bring up Bob Lazar um Bob Lazar is a polarizing figure but can you lend
1:23:02
Credence to any of his story what what's your well
1:23:10
uh this is what I'll say about Bob Lazar um I he certainly wasn't there when I
1:23:17
was there he would have been there years later um the the problem with Bob
1:23:24
lazar's story is he talks about S4 okay there is no there's no
1:23:31
facilities on yeah with within a Nell test and
1:23:37
training range is called S4 it's S2 S2 is at the P Papoose a lake area I've
1:23:43
been to S2 there's there's levels under uh S2 but everyone calls them levels
1:23:51
levels one 2 3 four they don't call them S4 nobody that works there even today
right now we have people we we did a
1:23:59
documentary uh some years ago because Co just it's going to be aired here this
1:24:04
summer and you you'll know you'll hear all about that's to whatever anyways
1:24:10
their levels maybe we can talk about uh getting a getting a screener of that I would
love to to be able to review that
1:24:18
and and and help you out get the get the word out but um yeah continue anyways
uh
1:24:26
so uh S2 is S2 is the administrative control area for the underground
1:24:33
facilities I've never been underground I've been to S2 I went out there uh to
1:24:39
to do an investigation but I I would I never have had access to go uh underground
so uh as I understand
1:24:46
there's five levels but the people there call them levels I we level two level three
the badge is even say levels it
1:24:53
doesn't say S4 there's nothing that says S4 out there so that's one problem with
1:24:58
with lazar's story that there's no there now there's a lot of things that he
1:25:04
says uh that is factual uh so I I don't know anything
1:25:09
more than that I'm not going to say he wasn't there uh he probably was but I
1:25:15
don't know that he worked uh in any classified areas because uh he some of
1:25:21
the things I confronted him with he didn't have an answer to it
1:25:27
there's uh there's a Code system anybody who works out at Area 51 knows what
1:25:34
certain letters mean and I can't talk about them but there's four letters like ABC
and d and if I said you if you were
1:25:42
out there I said what what is ABC and D you immediately tell me what what they
stood for well Bob didn't know what they
1:25:48
were and anybody that had had classified access would know what the they meant
1:25:54
and and the Hand scanners that you describe and you were there earlier than him
sound much
1:26:02
more advanced than the ones that he describes
1:26:08
so you know maybe there's some validity to like him being there but
1:26:17
not having the access that that you did or even other people who had the ability
1:26:25
to go underground he just like like everyone you know heard the the the
1:26:30
rumors on the Bas and you know after he met John leer um you know who knows
this
1:26:36
the story well the Lazar story it will always be um um polarizing in its nature
1:26:44
but um so you're in Area 51 now um you're you're you're doing your duty and
1:26:51
um how do you come across this closed caption um this this interview this this
1:26:58
you talk about it in the doct Greer testimony and um honestly it it
1:27:04
it blows my mind so I would love you to walk me through each detail of
1:27:10
that okay um I was I was conducting an investigation and on a person and uh I
1:27:18
had access to a number of different facilities and one of the facilities uh
1:27:24
another OSI agent uh that I worked with uh was at that facility and uh he had early
in a
1:27:32
day in the morning when we were planning what we were going to do he said I'm
going to be over at such and such a
1:27:37
building uh at such and such a time I said okay I'm gonna have to come over there
and interview somebody and and so
1:27:44
we did all this and when I went to that facility um I got cleared in with with
1:27:50
my badge and and I said uh I need to speak to so and so and the security
1:27:56
checkpoint officer the person that was controlling the the gates so to speak he
1:28:03
said well he's he's in such and such area he said but I don't think you you
1:28:08
your card will get you in there I said okay well let me try it so I went down the
1:28:15
hall and the door opened as I was about to ready to try to get my badge in there
1:28:21
and um let me say this uh there's a certain way you have to use a badge to
1:28:29
get in and there's a c something else you have to do anybody that's been there
would know it and didn't know anyways
1:28:36
anyways uh so I go in the door's open and there some guy coming out and I go in
and I go in there OSI just sitting
1:28:43
over here and there's there's a there's a camera uh and there's a recording going
on and I sit down next to him and
1:28:49
I'm talking and I'm looking over at this and I thought wow what is that he said uh
that's
1:28:56
that's an interview going on I said is that an e he said yeah that's an ET and
1:29:02
so I'm I'm want it's a close circuit camera it's it's the ET isn't where we
1:29:09
at it's in another building yeah but
1:29:14
clera because I asked him I said is this is this live he said yeah it's closed circuit I
said so I watch it for some
1:29:22
time I'm not really Shing what I'm seeing because I'm not involved in that case
about that time this uh Lieutenant
1:29:30
Air Force Lieutenant Colonel comes in and he stands right behind the room isn't
very big that we were in but this
1:29:38
other guy that I'm supposed to interview it works in this building in another section
this Lieutenant Colonel comes in
1:29:45
and he stands behind me and he for just
1:29:50
maybe 20 seconds he said excuse me sir to me he said do you do you have a red
1:29:56
do you have the a certain strip on my badge clearance he
1:30:02
said where's your badge at and I said right here he said you're not cleared for here
oh God the OSI agent that was
1:30:09
next to me said oh no no he is he's cleared he's I'm vouching for him he said he's
got to have certain thing on
1:30:16
his badge he doesn't so you have to leave so I didn't want to argue anybody so I
got and left and uh I said 'well
1:30:23
I'm supposed to hear see so and so he saidou go out that door you go down the
hallway and you go into the next door
1:30:29
down your badge will get you in there but you're not clear for here so I didn't want
to make a fuss and I didn't
1:30:36
want to get in trouble so I leave I go down and I do my business with this guy that
I'm interviewing on on an entire
1:30:42
different case so that's my uh that's what happened that's that's why I was
1:30:48
able to see in a close circuit camera uh an alien interview or or interrogation
1:30:55
or what they whatever you want to call it now from everything that you know was
1:31:00
there audio there was audio but you you have earphones on a so it was one of
those
1:31:07
situations okay um listen I I gotta ask
1:31:13
um be do you think that
1:31:18
that there could Poss possibly be I think you've talked about this
1:31:25
before this is why I bring it up um a connection between us and specifically
1:31:33
the ebens or another group
1:31:38
where they're the missing link they're maybe maybe they're the
1:31:46
ones responsible for our creation the doubling of our brain size in a cosmic
1:31:52
scale basically overnight of course you know it it was mil you know hundreds of
1:31:58
thousands of years but on a cosmic scale it was basically overnight you know so
1:32:03
do you think that the government found out or or the military and industrial
complex found out uh that potentially
1:32:11
there is some sort of connection between them and us and this is part of the
secrecy because that I mean uh to be
1:32:20
confronted with your Creator is is something that I don't know if a lot of
1:32:27
people could handle I I don't know anything about
1:32:33
that I I've never been read into any type of program I've never seen anything in a
classified or unclassified document
1:32:40
speculate even if you can't I don't know if you're allowed to speculate on
something like this but would you would
1:32:46
would that be a good reason for secrecy maybe do you think is
1:32:52
like kind of what if they're too well okay let let me let me just
1:32:59
tell you this um the uh Eva one who was
1:33:05
founded a craft at Roswell or Chona actually Crona in Mexico stayed in captivity
for five years he died uh the
1:33:13
the the he lived uh with a a handling agent call and that person was a Air
1:33:19
Force Captain he was a linguist but uh never did I don't think he ever learned
1:33:24
to speak the even but uh Linda Molton how interviewed that Captain years ago
1:33:31
back in the 80s passed away so she's the one could probably
1:33:38
answer all your questions and I can't because I've never interviewed this guy I
mean I've had many conversations with
1:33:45
Lind over the year and she would be the one that could probably answer your
1:33:50
question at better a way or format than I can because I don't know uh I mean I
1:33:56
know that EA one told us a lot of things about uh themselves their civilization
1:34:03
uh the universe as they know it uh how they explore the universe and so forth and
so on but but uh there's intricate
1:34:11
parts of that that Linda how talks about I've had her yeah I've had her on the show
and
1:34:18
she's actually one of my topics to bring up to you was um you and her had a
1:34:24
meeting where you yeah you had a meeting
1:34:29
that that kind of like sparked some controversy but I think you guys have since
reconciled and now are very
1:34:36
friendly um but um we'll get to that in a minute but um
1:34:43
so I I guess with everything that you've been
1:34:49
exposed to with everything that you've seen the degree of of so a lot of us in
1:34:56
the community um we clamor for this confirmation um when you when you see
1:35:03
people like David grush um come out and talk about reverse engineering craft and
1:35:09
um like like stumbling across these programs um what what are you thinking in
your
1:35:16
head are you are you ready and and do you think
1:35:22
that the world is ready for this information to start coming out well number one
he's vindicating a
1:35:30
lot of us out here has already talked about it right for many years and um
1:35:35
he's telling in fact I think this well I know one particular uh what he mentioned
1:35:42
is actually dealing with one of my reports so uh so yeah there's there's uh
1:35:49
number one Vindication number two I think eventually uh disclosure is going to
1:35:55
happen but not in the way the public wants uh they're not going to get everything
they want uh there's too M
1:36:01
too many dark sides uh or dark Forces I would say uh in the subject of of e UFOs
1:36:10
and ETS or uaps uh there's there's a lot of uh many many many many uh dark and
1:36:19
and and and uh d dangerous paths that uh
1:36:25
we found that the ETS took uh I know many of them but I can't talk about them
1:36:32
uh President Reagan was briefed in to some of the uh dangerous things that
1:36:37
that particular race EV ETS were doing uh he immediately uh started Star Wars
1:36:43
initiative yeah he started the Star Wars initiative wanted these these beings
1:36:49
that were harming Americans or harming earthlings to be uh shot on site and all
1:36:55
sorts of different things uh so learn we learned from the Russians
1:37:02
that these have these UFOs have a very very and and and I guess I want to I do
1:37:09
want to that's I'm glad you brought this up so I mean we from Russian documents
1:37:16
uh we know that they originally were told to shoot at UFOs
1:37:21
and then after losing several Pilots like 12 to 14 um they deduced that these
1:37:29
UFOs had an incredible capacity for retaliation and therefore they said to
1:37:36
stop shooting at UFOs because of the risk um that it posed to the the pilots
1:37:42
and the people that are that are that are doing it so um you know
1:37:49
it I I can see why Reagan was all a gung-ho and and and um I I I know you
1:37:56
came up you know you you you you've talked to Dr Greer but Dr Greer kind of says
that all alien species are are you
1:38:04
know Transcendent and and and they're
1:38:09
they're all benevolent they're all nice they're all good uh in your experience
1:38:16
is that the case or not absolutely not okay there are five
1:38:23
species that we we I was briefed in on and one particular species uh are
1:38:30
extremely dangerous to humans they're uh they've harmed humans killed humans
1:38:36
abducted humans probably U not only abducted them but kidnapped them uh in a
1:38:44
in a missing persons Type of Way um they have harmed uh um infrastructure uh
1:38:53
Earthling Earthly infrastructures uh they've they damaged
1:39:00
nuclear weapons so they're not they're not friendly so and you can't even call that
1:39:07
indifference because I do think there's a diff there there is a line between
1:39:13
being malevolent and being indifferent because
1:39:19
indifferent is like it's it's whatever you know you you coexist
1:39:28
and you know you're not particularly um you're not you don't
1:39:34
have any uh uh skin in the game on whether this species lives or dies or
1:39:39
you know you don't have any vested interest in it that's indifference and that's not
what you're talking about
1:39:45
you're talking about they are just straight up malevolent
1:39:51
yeah absolutely they they they purposely abduct humans they purposely do
horrible
1:39:58
experiments on them harming them there are a number of whistleblowers or
1:40:04
witnesses that the Department of Defense has uh who would who could talk about
1:40:10
these horrible experiences that they've gone through women that have have had
1:40:15
their uh fetuses taken fetuses taken uh
1:40:20
the they are abducted and they they leave with missing fingernails
1:40:25
toenails uh they they suffer vaginal bleeding for an enormous amount of times
1:40:31
for weeks on end they uh their vitous fluids out of their eyes are taken one
1:40:38
was blind for 10 days at a time every time this happens I mean horrible things
1:40:44
that that uh you can't consider them benevolent right
1:40:51
what do you think what do you think that the connection is to any of these
1:40:57
species um and our ancient cultures I know in one uh discussion you talked
1:41:06
about the even having uh maybe like a TI if I'm not mistaken a Tibetan a viewer
1:41:13
uh question came in about this um uh about a
1:41:19
uh uh like a an it had an idol of a
1:41:25
Tibetan um deity um what is there have these things been
1:41:32
coming here for longer than than we've been here do you
1:41:38
think yeah I think they've been here for a long time visiting us over 2,000 years
1:41:44
I think that that was a the figure that uh yeah so the the actual question
1:41:51
so is from um at holding under Salinger and he says Rick has said that one e
1:41:58
been add an idol of a Nepal Tibet deity what deity was
1:42:05
it I don't I don't know de he just had he had in the in the uh they had he had
1:42:13
some sort of a uh a booklet and they they had um there
1:42:20
was a book in all in Ean the Ean had had something inside the craft it was a like
1:42:28
a manual or something and it's all even nobody could understand it but they had
on the in there some some picture of
1:42:37
something and I think eventually when we tried to uh we communicated with him
uh
1:42:45
and I'm only getting this secondhand so that's fine I understand is that
1:42:51
uh when we ask uh the Ean when when he was able to understand English and
1:42:58
understand our words uh do you believe in God he didn't understand where the
God was but when we explain what our
1:43:07
definition of a God was then he more or less aligned it to a deity different
1:43:12
deity like a universal deity in in the universe that they they worshiped
1:43:18
like yeah the and so on this particular uh pamphlet or whatever
1:43:24
manual was this deity and now deity go if you go to uh uh Tibetan Monastery
1:43:34
they found the same exact picture W other people did this and they so that I
1:43:40
connect them with having visited Earth thousands of years ago and and having
1:43:47
the same beliefs in and so much again I'm not the expert in that area so
1:43:53
I'm just explaining in the laan's terms that I was explained it so yeah I know I
1:44:00
know totally totally get it um uh I just I you know because there is you know a
1:44:07
big faction of people that think that there is a tiese there are ties between
1:44:14
like you know the the pyramids right these places
1:44:20
these these these places in the on on Earth that are seen as holy or um uh land
that is
1:44:30
sacred right they tend to reflect uh places and the stars and if you're
1:44:36
talking about these beings coming from the Stars right Zeta reticuli um or or
1:44:44
wherever it may be um you know for different species the pleades uh Orion
1:44:50
serus B wherever um there seems to be a connection to the ancient world um like
1:44:59
and it's it's it's it's weird because you don't want to take away from Human
Ingenuity but it's also like the
1:45:06
pyramids man come on H how in the world do they do that um
1:45:13
and did you ever ask those kind of questions when you were in um in the no like
did they have any information on
1:45:20
that kind of stuff no um I don't know who I would
1:45:28
have asked that uh that would have been compartmented information um but I but
but
1:45:35
since jump up to my time it guy I've been there for yeah seven years uh
1:45:41
Johnny Enoch uh who has has programs and d uh guia very good friend of mine
has
1:45:48
visited uh Egypt number of times uh he's investigated all different anomalies and
1:45:55
coincidence uh relating to uh how the how they were built um I think it's
1:46:02
pretty much uh there's going to be proven that the Egyptians had helped building
those
1:46:09
pyramids because they are line certainly along certain uh U latitudes and
1:46:18
longitudes La lines and they are uh they're also connected in ways uh to the
1:46:26
Mayan pyramid and so uh I think I think it's there is connections between
1:46:33
extraterrestrials and and these pyramids and other things on Earth not just the
pyramids uh I think that that is a uh
1:46:42
there are connections there and uh I just wish I I don't have the the
1:46:48
knowledge of the John Enoch and many other people that have studied this
subject have but uh but I know I've I've
1:46:55
spoke to Johnny I've spent hours and hours of talking about this with Johnny uh
overseas and uh I have a new uh uh uh
1:47:05
program called the Dodie Chronicles that's been filmed and uh uh Johnny was
1:47:11
around when I was filming these in the UK I'm going back to film more but um
1:47:16
and so you know he explains it in Greater details he yes books out there and and
and things but I believe
1:47:23
personally my own personal belief is that there's a econnection number one
number two that
1:47:32
there has been a number of civilizations on Earth over our four billion year
1:47:38
history uh there are some people out there smart people out there that uh can
1:47:44
can can put us uh put a civilization on this planet 900 million years ago uh
1:47:51
there's there's remnants of radiation that goes back thousands and thousands of
years absolutely have radiation we
1:47:58
didn't have radiation back then we didn't have a r we didn't have a bomb or
anything like that but somebody
1:48:03
absolutely and so we connect that and 900 million years ago uh if you look at
1:48:10
the particular evidence in Australia of that tree and some things and and
1:48:15
Indonesia and some things in Northern Laos that connects
1:48:20
extraterrestrial or or some kind of visitation and or a civilization on
1:48:25
Earth and I believe in that I believe in that 100% And I also believe that uh at
1:48:31
some point probably during that same time period there was Life on Mars uh
1:48:36
life like we have on Mars and I I strongly believe in that and there's
1:48:43
there's some things some things I learned while I'm in that I can't talk go a great
details about but remote
1:48:49
viewing uh I've been involved with remote viewing people I I'm not a remote viewer
1:48:55
but other people have and they can remote view thousands and thousands of
years and they see things that can
1:49:01
connect to a civilization on Mars
1:49:07
so it is that we I mean look at what we just
1:49:13
discovered they just discovered ice reservoirs on Mars that could sustain
1:49:19
but if melted could cover Mars in about a meter's worth of water so I mean the
1:49:27
signs are all there right it's it's like it's it's like the dominoes are being set up um
for us to not only change our
1:49:35
history books but also to change our understanding of our place in the cosmos
1:49:42
um I have to ask you know do do you think that there are are there is an a
1:49:48
disclosure agenda happening um in front of our
1:49:54
eyes I think disclosures occurred uh over years nobody wants to
1:50:00
believe it because it's not official just because you don't hear it from the
government people don't believe it or
1:50:06
people like myself talk about it and they'll say well prove it well you know yeah I
have to open the open this break
1:50:13
into the filing cabinets and vaults and Pentagon and and other places but uh
1:50:18
other people uh told their stories and people don't want to talk about it but or
don't believe it but I think we've
1:50:25
had a slow disclosure over a period of years now official disclosure is when
1:50:30
the government comes out and says yep Roswell really happened uh you know we'
we've had these
1:50:36
other crashes and we've had contacts and so forth well I think that's going to
happen
1:50:42
there's a draft a disclosure draft that circulated around members of the Senate
1:50:49
and I'm member of a group called Advanced working group that that more aligned
with the Senate than the house
1:50:55
but uh this draft uh which is sensitive it wasn't classified per se um was a
1:51:02
suggestion on how disclosure should be presented so is this the is this the
1:51:08
disclosure Act of 2023 no or
1:51:13
Le it's just a outline of how disclosure should happen the
1:51:20
the the this the Schuler Amendment uh Senate Amendment
1:51:27
s2226 uh which was to the National Defense authorization act never made it
1:51:32
the a a a washed out version of it is in there which is that means virtually nothing
got there's so many exceptions
1:51:39
to that yeah they gutted everything anyways uh that no this is just an outline of
how uh somebody created it
1:51:46
and passed it around and one the first part of this uh suggested disclosure
1:51:52
would be historical you gota you got to tell American people exactly how we got
1:51:57
involved in the subject of UFOs now uh it goes back to 40 47 now I understand
1:52:04
people are gonna argue that we knew about it in 41 and 33 and during
1:52:10
war but and and I'm sorry again to interject but I've always said this Rick
1:52:17
we we are going to have to meet the government and Military halfway on this
1:52:23
to get advancement because if we go in pointing
1:52:29
fingers and you know threatening jail time like there's
1:52:35
got to be some sort of amnesty project or amnesty program plus like you know
1:52:41
we're gonna have to meet them halfway on some of these things so I I you know
like you said people are going to argue
1:52:48
but we're going to have to work with them not against
1:52:54
them exactly exactly and I think this draft would would be a start uh it's
1:53:01
going to go back to 47 talk about what happened then and on up uh it's not going
to give any all the details it's
1:53:07
not going to disclose sensitive compartment and information or special access
programs it's not going to do any
1:53:14
of those things because there's laws against that uh so uh but it's going to let the
American people people know in
1:53:20
fact yeah we we have had contact with extraterrestrials we've had had crashes
1:53:26
we've had crafts we had bodies and and and but not going to any details about
1:53:32
where or when or how but uh I think that's a start we show because the the the
only problem I
1:53:41
foresee with something like that is so say Trump for instance gets back into
1:53:48
office and he comes out and he's the president who says all this well 50% of
1:53:55
the country is not going to believe him just because he's Trump right and then if
Joe Biden gets elected he's the one
1:54:03
who does it well 50% of the country maybe even more are going to say he lost
1:54:10
his mind officially so like they're going to have to bring a little evidence
1:54:16
to the table I I
1:54:23
think in the draft there are some some things that they're going to present um
1:54:28
so I think they uh one of the things they suggested is a the recovery
1:54:35
film film uh some other things um but
1:54:40
then again of course regardless of what you give the American people uh or the
1:54:46
world uh they're gonna there's going to be a a million questions asked and there's
going to be a million things
1:54:53
demanded uh but they got to do this in a very structured way because they don't
want to number
1:54:59
one disclose classified information current projects uh they don't want to uh
1:55:06
disclose sources or methods but they have to convince the American
1:55:12
people just exactly what you said that what we're saying what the government is
1:55:17
saying is fact factual and so they have to uh present something
1:55:23
that convince the American people because like you said I'm apolitical
1:55:29
even though I have a degree in political science but I I teach you know I don't know
if you know I I'm a teacher Now
1:55:37
teach online told teach advanced math online and and so I'm apolitical I I I
1:55:42
don't like to getting arguments or even discuss politics but that's a good point
what you're saying is if if if if Trump
1:55:50
gets in there uh you know he's GNA say one thing and people already think he's
1:55:57
deranged um and he's a I mean other people say he's a habitual liar uh and
1:56:04
there all sort a negativity but right 48% of American people would vote for
1:56:10
him right now so I mean go figure that and byen on the other hand is uh he
1:56:17
seile I mean that's it's apparent so much I mean he can't remember what he
1:56:23
what he said and and yeah of course off after after a speech
1:56:31
is done he turns around and it takes him like four or five minutes to figure out
1:56:37
which way to go and he just like Bobs around and weaves like like a shell in
1:56:43
Mario Kart uh until he figures his way off the stage it's it's it's honestly
embarrassing
1:56:50
yeah there's a secret service agent that that wrote a manuscript that he wanted
publish and he's getting a hell of a I
1:56:57
know the guy really well and uh he was a he was actually an Air Force intelligence
officer before he became a
1:57:02
secret service agent and he wants to uh talk about uh uh all the secrets that
1:57:08
occurring in the white house uh about the Biden had been having to be let
1:57:14
around he can't remember where his living quarters are and all these things that
1:57:22
it makes more sense on why cocaine was found at the white house because the
the
1:57:27
the leader of the Free World is being led around the house his son who is a
1:57:33
you know again we're not g to get into politics here we'll skip this that whole that
whole thing but you're exactly
1:57:40
right so um I mean it's a it's gonna be a problem so what I think has to happen
1:57:45
is someone we all trust um comes out and
1:57:51
does this um someone who has a high uh position of power and someone who we
1:57:58
trust um I don't know who that could be but and and maybe none of the maybe
1:58:04
maybe this you know Vivic guy Viv I know he's really rightwing but Vivic uh RAM
1:58:12
Rams Rams I'm I apologize if I'm not pronouncing that correctly um but you
1:58:18
know he's really sharp um and you know if if if he could get in office uh and
1:58:24
and you know I think he could be a real real Contender for someone who brings
1:58:30
this information forward um you know he's a young buck that's what we need right
now is is we need to get these
1:58:39
more geriatric uh members of Congress the Senate out get these younger people
in
1:58:46
because the world is is the the world is is literally changing around us every
1:58:52
single day and we have people in Congress that were around when computers
1:58:59
didn't exist like that guys come on come on but back to back to you uh so
1:59:07
with Gia with with Gaia what what do you got going on um you know while we while
1:59:12
we uh wrap up this is I I would love to have some you know many more
conversations with you uh this is just
1:59:18
SC in the surface but um you know what what's you said you you're shooting the
1:59:25
Dodie Chronicles um can you can you give us a brief overview what that is and uh
1:59:30
what people can expect from it and what you're doing with Gia yeah the doti
Chronicles are uh is a
1:59:39
u uh incident that I knew about were investigated during my time in
1:59:45
intelligence or information that I gathered from other sources uh for instance a
naval Navy Admiral who
1:59:54
uh has contributed a lot of information for the do Chronicles and I I I'm going
1:59:59
to eventually do about 30 of them maybe more than that and where I sit in front
2:00:05
of the camera explaining um an incident that happened
2:00:10
while I was in uh the intelligence uh during during my intelligence career woo
2:00:17
that's a doie Chronicles uh be there's about six or eight eight out
2:00:22
right now uh I'm going to make up to 30 probably more than that and uh then Gaia
2:00:30
I have over a hundred episodes of Gaia right now and uh I'm gonna start filming
2:00:35
the spring uh episodes for Cosmic disclosure with Emory Smith uh beginning
2:00:42
next month so uh I have those two things going on I'm still trying to write a book I
written written a book It Was
2:00:49
Written but I submitted it for approval and they they took about half of it out
2:00:55
uh telling me I can't write I can't disclose it but I Cheng that this is
2:01:01
that same process that like gushes has to go through right the doser yes yeah and
uh so I've uh
2:01:10
Rewritten some of it and uh but you know the problem with with that uh method or
2:01:18
that system is a lot of the information I'm talking about it's already out there in the
public and I'm just saying it over again
2:01:26
and and they're saying no you can't say it because it's classified well it's already
out there in the public so why
2:01:33
can't I say it in the book so anyways I got a really pretty good attorney uh costs a
lot of money but he
2:01:41
he's uh pushing that he's a Washington base attorney and uh he knows ins and
2:01:46
outs of this and uh so uh you know he hopefully I can get this approved here
2:01:52
in the next month and a half two months and it would be published by this middle
2:01:57
of summer probably beginning or middle of summer yeah then and then you got
2:02:03
that um the documentary that's coming out so yeah there's a documentary not it
was
2:02:10
made by production company out of out of uh Los Angeles uh we started it back in
2:02:17
2019 but because of the covid uh we had to delay it for a year in filming and uh
2:02:24
it's all about Area 51 uh inside and outside we have some very good sources
2:02:29
of information uh people talking about things that uh and and it's going to uh
2:02:37
really really uh bring out the phonies because the people claim claim to have
2:02:44
been there and claim to work there uh this documentary documentary is going to
2:02:50
prove uh that they didn't they didn't work there because they have we have the
2:02:56
entry control logs for area for the Nellis test and training range from
2:03:01
January 1st 1979 to December 31st
2:03:07
1990 every single human being that worked in uh in that test range Area 51
2:03:15
Papoose and other places around there there's other uh is on that and um so
2:03:21
people who claim hey I worked there and I didn't where why why is your name on
2:03:27
this right and then of course we're going to go through some uh some
2:03:32
confrontations what we did with people who claimed he worked there and asking
them questions about okay what does ABCD
2:03:40
mean no I don't know uh what is what is cipher lock and what is and other things
2:03:47
that you have you would have have to know or what does the stripes mean what is
the incode decode system uh things
2:03:53
like that that unless you work there know would know it's
2:04:00
basically it's separating the wheat from the shaft um and yeah I that that's
2:04:06
that's absolutely genius and you the the ability that that you have your the
2:04:15
the that's just really cool that you have that document and you also have the
knowledge of the
2:04:22
base so that you can kind of wean out the people that that that you're not
2:04:29
even you don't even have to waste your time with them if they can't even answer
these three basic questions about working there then boom on to the next
2:04:37
right so that that that saves you so much time and effort um so yeah that's
2:04:44
that's is it does this documentary have a name yet does it uh no here's one of
2:04:51
the problems we have uh when we started filming it we asked permission from the
2:04:57
commander of Nellis test and training range a general out of Nellis Air Force Base
and he gave us uh he gave the
2:05:03
company the film company authorization to film but there's a lot of
2:05:08
restrictions that they they gave to us and one of the restrictions we couldn't film
uh within a certain uh distance
2:05:16
from the perimeter well we filmed some things uh and we got caught filming him
2:05:23
and they took the film away from us and and we had to get it back and we went
had to go to federal court and so
2:05:29
there's a there's there's there's a legal problem there but I think we've I
2:05:34
think we've settled uh I think the company the production company has settled
most of that so I don't I don't
2:05:41
I don't think that uh there's going to be a problem uh but it's going to be uh
2:05:47
you know we had a couple different uh uh names about it it's going to be the the
real the real story about Area 51
2:05:54
something that had effect because we we we have we have the former Chief of
2:06:00
security for the entire test range on camera talking about things now he
2:06:07
doesn't go into great details about classification or I mean classified things but he
does talk about UFOs he
2:06:14
does talk about UFOs and when we have the commander now the chief of security
2:06:20
was a civilian the commander was a full bird colonel and he was in charge of S2
2:06:27
and he's still alive and we have him and he's gonna talk about S2 he can't talk
2:06:32
about what what goes on in S2 but he can say that everything in S2 was not made
2:06:39
on this Earth H we got it from someplace else he can not but he's also talking
2:06:44
about all the phony people who claim to work there that he knows that the didn't
work there and like I said so this is
2:06:53
four letters and and ask him what these four letters meant everybody that worked
2:06:58
at Papoose knew what these four letters meant and they knew exactly the
procedures the incode and decod and card
2:07:05
system to get in there and it didn't have anything to do with the hands that that
Lazar that is something
2:07:13
else right right and I now I can't wait to see this because it's now is this
2:07:21
going to be coming out through guia or different no no no it's going to become I
do Netflix or tub some some
2:07:28
other okay it's not g yeah keep me posted on
2:07:34
that because I would love to get my hands on an early copy and uh write a review
for our website and uh do a do a
2:07:43
a spoiler free review and promote it for you guys because um that that that
2:07:49
that's that's I mean that's a that's that's a big project and that you
2:07:56
know that's gonna make some waves in the community and uh that can't can't wait
2:08:02
to to see that but Richard um Rick thank you so much for doing this today um
2:08:09
taking the time out of your day to to sit with me have this conversation and um I
really look forward to to having
2:08:16
more conversations with you because you're you're really just a down toe guy and
someone who's really easy to talk to
2:08:22
and um you know there's there's more questions I have for you but um we're
already at the you know past two hour
2:08:29
mark So I we'll probably end it here for now but um it's safe to say that I would
2:08:35
love to have you back on well thank you Tyler it's it was fun being on your show
and I uh I I would I
2:08:43
would be glad to come back at the next invitation yeah we could uh and we can
get more into to you know like like I
2:08:49
said pass the surface and and start really digging into some of these um
2:08:55
certain cases and um you know the validity of of One Versus the other um
2:09:01
uh because you could you know you're you're very very very knowledgeable when
it comes to these kind of things so and
2:09:07
um keep doing what you're doing Rick I think you're I think you're a tremendous
asset to the community and to um to to
2:09:15
to the truth that's that's about to be revealed so um with that being said guys
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you Richard doie uh for being here again
2:09:41
uh we couldn't we we we we couldn't have done it without you today and uh this is
2:09:46
a really really this one I got to cross off my bucket list so for me it it it
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means a lot thank you thank you very
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