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BUY-SIDE FINANCIAL MODELING
11 of 13 years
Managed portfolios as
generated positive
large as $1.5 billion
P&L
I had a solid if not spectacular career with many highs, and many lows
3. Construct a buy-side quality model 12. Identify catalysts & get in the flow
4. Identify what will move the stock (key drivers) 13. Wrap up and develop a thesis
5. Generate a differentiated view on key drivers 14. Communicating your idea: pitch like a pro
7. Develop a reward & risk case 16. Soft skills of the successful analyst
Ability to
Ability to analyze Ability to grasp Ability to develop a
understand what is
a business a stock’s key drivers differentiated view
discounted in stock
2. Read the last earnings call transcript 10. Forecast the key drivers & create sensitivities
3. Read the latest investor day deck & transcript 11. Construct a bull, bear & base case
1. 2. 3.
Initial analysis & Business analysis & Key driver assessment
opportunity assessment model construction & deep dive process
4. 5. 6.
Case construction & Thesis development & Idea monitoring
risk/reward assessment communication & catalyst assessment
• To value a stock, first value the business (“stock is a fractional piece of ownership
in a business”).
• Business are valued on their FCF generation potential (decades of FCF forecasts
discounted back to derive today’s Net Present Value).
• Value is derived from collective perception of the future. Forecasting the future,
but ALSO, forecasting the shifting perceptions of the crowd, is important (this is
where tactical considerations enter).
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The Hunt for Outperformance
• Our quest as active investors is to identify the stock priced to a prospective excess return, or
an “alpha load”
• As that mispricing is corrected by the market, the closing of that gap drives alpha generation
in the idea
The evidence does support that HFs identify undervalued stocks on the long side
90% of stocks
90% of the time
are somewhat fairly priced
3. How can we identify & monetize this alpha load in a repeated fashion?
1. Decelerating fundamentals
• Analyzing businesses
Interviewer Sundheim
“Dan, what do you think is the key to “To me, it really comes down to two
success in the hedge fund world?” things. Process and judgment.”
Process Judgement
More linear and scientific and process Trickier. Some frameworks may help,
tools can easily be taught. but experience is key.
When you own a stock, you own The price of the stock will not
a fractional piece in an underlying always accurately reflect the
business underlying per/share value of the
business – those deviations are
your opportunity as an investor
“In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run it is a weighing
machine”
– Ben Graham
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4 5 6
• To access the financial health of the business; particularly, growth, profitability and liquidity
• To identify the three key profit drivers of the business to focus due diligence
• To construct forecasts for revenue, EBITDA, EPS, and FCF as the basis for valuation
• To identify “what matters” to the earnings, valuation, and ultimately the price of the stock
• To construct a bull/base/bear case and a dynamically updated risk/reward for the stock
• PM asks you to look at XYZ stock and give an opinion of whether it is a long or a short
• Stock reports earnings, pm asks analyst opinion on the strength of the print
• PM and analyst meet with CFO, PM asks analyst what comments mean to EPS
Remember: I am looking for the mis-priced stock that can outperform by 5%+
Why multiples?
• However, we must account for the terminal value of • When accounting for TV, the asset is again worth 10x.
the asset – apply a terminal growth rate or multiple
(same difference).
• Notice here, the TV is ~40% of total value, even after • After 3 years, TV might account for 85%+
forecasting 10 years of FCF (which is very difficult to of NPV – so why not just apply a multiple??
do accurately!!)
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Use Case 2: Is This Stock Cheap or Expensive? (cont’d)
% rate 20.0%
• Thought process:
• “Asset prices will revert to the
mean over time”
• “Where an asset has traded in
the past helps influence where
it might trade in the future”
Sample Business
1 2 3 4 5 25 26 27 28 29 30
Operating Profit $150,000 $157,500 $165,375 $173,644 $182,326 $483,765 $507,953 $533,351 $560,018 $588,019 $617,420
% margin 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0%
bps yoy n.a. 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Tax Rate 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0%
NOPAT $112,500 $118,125 $124,031 $130,233 $136,744 $362,824 $380,965 $400,013 $420,014 $441,015 $463,065
Interest Expense ($39,967) ($39,967) ($39,967) ($39,967) ($39,967) ($39,967) ($39,967) ($39,967) ($39,967) ($39,967) ($39,967)
Capital Expenditure ($28,125) ($29,531) ($31,008) ($32,558) ($34,186) ($90,706) ($95,241) ($100,003) ($105,003) ($110,254) $0
% of revenue 2.8% 2.8% 2.8% 2.8% 2.8% 2.8% 2.8% 2.8% 2.8% 2.8% 0.0%
• Discount at market implied WACC (at 16x, WACC is ~8%), adjusted for risk level
• Compare implied EV, less net debt, to next year’s EPS to impute fair P/E multiple
• To understand “what is baked in” on the three key drivers for a stock, fix the
reverse DCF to that price then titrate the key drivers to a sensible case – NOT a
highly scientific process, more of a “finger in the air”
• It is about:
1. Observing the odds
2. Creating a process to analyze
factors that determine probabilities
of outcomes
3. Betting where the odds
differ from internally
expected outcomes
• T-14 to T+14 window a big monetization period for market neutral funds
• For longer term funds, a key signpost that thesis is on track and can be an important time to
play defense
What is a revision?
• Why do revisions matter? The most common valuation framework is P/E x EPS
(generally next)
Revision hunting
• Revision method
• Identify a meaningful
change in the EPS
capitalized by P/E
• GRUB was down ~40%
on one day due to a
large neg revision
• Usually revisions
become apparent
on/around earnings
season
Key Drivers:
“What’s going to
move the stock?”
Differentiation
KPI tracker
• Is DPZ a read-through that pizza comp slow down is over?
• DPZ was down 25% from previous earnings
• But posted a comp acceleration Q3, stock popped 10%
• PZZA reports 3 weeks later
• What from DPZ is relevant to PZZA?
Incrementalism framework
• Something happened
• Where in the model might
this news have an impact?
• Does it impact near term EPS
or long term FCF/terminal value perception?
• What is my starting EPS?
• When I sensitize model for this change, what is the EPS impact?
• Flow through a multiple on those EPS impacts.
Make the model user friendly for the PM (and for yourself!)
• PM wants to see:
• How big / liquid is
the stock
• Risk/reward
• Growth trajectory
• Margin trajectory
• EPS “algorithm”
• Variance
• Valuation
Longs: Fundamentals
2. Model construction
3. Key driver
differentiation (its
own module)
1. MIC process assumes the market is “wrong” and you are “right”.
3. When will that expectations gap close? When will the market come around to your way of
thinking?
Buy-Side Model
Construction
• In a typical 60-hour deep dive process, the model construction process might be 8-12 hours.
• Repetition is key! First time you will be slow, tenth time you will be fast.
• A PM may have 200+ stocks under coverage! Put yourself in PM’s shoes.
• I suggest creating a standard formatting template and sticking to it (I did, and it probably
annoyed my analysts, but it was important to me).
Build an intuitive,
Geez this
cleanly formatted
model is hard
model for your (likely) to navigate…
GenX or Boomer PM
• Include dollar signs ($) when metric is in dollars • 2 and 3 year stacked revenue growth to look at run-rate growth and normalize for comps
• Blue font for inputting non-currencies historically and forecasting key drivers prospectively • % QoQ metrics vs. historical average seasonality levels as another check
• Green font for linked formulas • Put large 1-time contracts into both $ and % terms so that they do not distort base and trend
• Include period ending date and number of days in period (selling days can have an impact) • Cost structure items
• Data input process • Model variable items as a % of revenue, driven by BPS YoY
• Input by hand 10 years of historical P&L, BS, CF, and at least 5 years on a quarterly basis • Model fixed or semi-fixed items with a $ YoY / inflation / growth forecast
• Lay out quarters sequentially, with hide-able columns • Go to 10-K to find granular cost breakdown
• Break apart clean margin metrics & underlying organic growth • Margin items
• Include row underneath metric with guidance and note last guidance update • Be aware of one-time items in year ago quarter, strip out for a clean comparison
• Input every financial statistic we can find from 10-Qs, 10-Ks, investor presentations, press-releases • Compare BPS QoQ vs. historical average margin seasonality
• Input industry level data, quarterly economic data (if relevant and correlated) • Look at incremental margin trends (YoY $ growth in profit / YoY $ growth in revenue)
• Flow from top to bottom: • Look at historical margin behavior – does management let upside flow to bottom line or do they
historically step-up R&D when gross margins are strong? Try to forecast real-world behavior.
• Data inputs (hide-able)
• Include unit economics
• Operating data
• EBITDA per hospital, revenue per store, SG&A per employee – etc.
• Segments
• Look at trends in unit economics to see what others are not – is SG&A/employee spiking due to
• P&L wage increases, for example? Management might have offset it this quarter, but can they do so
• Balance Sheet again next quarter?
• Cash Flow Statement • Seasonality
• Depending on complexity, input all data in “data inputs” section and link to other sections – this can • Look at % of annual EPS/EBITDA/Revenue that is derived by each quarter, historically
save immense time when updating a complex model • Many companies do not give quarterly guidance, and typical seasonality can be a good
• Using comments: starting point
• Add cell comments to key historical numbers or key future assumptions
• Pull commentary from company meetings or earnings calls that support our assumptions
• Put your thoughts into cell comments for key drivers
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Model Construction & My Formatting Guide:
Formatting Conventions
• Negative numbers for expenses/losses (such that we can simply add rows)
• Blue font for inputting non-currencies historically and forecasting key drivers prospectively
• Include period ending date and number of days in period (selling days can have an impact)
• Input by hand 10 years of historical P&L, BS, CF, and at least 5 years on a quarterly basis
• Include row underneath metric with guidance and note last guidance update
• Input every financial statistic we can find from 10-Qs, 10-Ks, investor presentations,
press-releases
• Input industry level data, quarterly economic data (if relevant and correlated)
• REVERSE DCF
• CASES
• CONSENSUS
• Earnings calls
• Sell-side research
• Often these are unimportant, but a bad 8-K can ruin your day…
Quarterly cycle:
In between quarters,
executives will present
at investor conferences
• You will often not know when one comment or data point can make or break a thesis
• As such, I recommend a running file that aggregates all of your information on a given ticker
• For example, create a word doc tilted PFE plate for Pfizer
• This is also great source research for me to comb through, and allows me to be
much more efficient in wrapping my arms around a given company
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What to Include in Your Plate File
ü Key notes, data points and thoughts from 10-K and 10-Q
ü Verbatim notes from quarterly earnings calls, highlighting the key points
ü Verbatim notes from guidance calls, and key points from IR call walking through assumptions
ü Key notes from important sell-side notes, particularly initiations, upgrades or downgrades
ü Your ongoing question list (very helpful when preparing for a company meeting)
Step 1: During this process, carefully analyze what is disclosed by the company. SEC filings are
standardized, but different companies disclose information in different ways.
• This is the only template that I will pull from other models
• Clearly stated period end and days in period (for those pesky leap years, and calculating things like days payable)
• Mini-row after the years (aids greatly in quick navigation through model, and helps visually to see each year)
• Dates for past periods in black, dates for unreported periods in light blue (to see if model has been
updated)
• I also like to ensure that all of my columns are the exact same width
• Alt-HOW to determine column width, set
width, then arrow over to other columns
to replicate width
Step 5: Scan investor disclosures for all operating data and drop that into model.
Step 6: : Add the analysis rows under line items to see trends.
• Expense items:
• % of Sales
• “BPS” YoY (100 BPS in 1%):
“Bipps” is how margin moves are
most commonly expressed
• % YoY
• Margin items:
• % Margin
• BPS YoY
• % YoY
• Incremental Margin
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Raw Build: TSLA (cont’d)
1. Average levels
2. Capital intensity
(commonly
expressed via ROIC)
3. Capex intensity
4. FCF margin
GAAP or Non-GAAP?
• NVST example
Best practice:
• Layer in the new reporting below, and drive the model off new reporting
• PM wants to see:
• How big/liquid is the stock
• Risk/reward
• Growth trajectory
• Margin trajectory
• EPS “algorithm”
• Variance
• Valuation
Inputting the
balance sheet
Analyzing a Business
5. Is the business getting better or worse? Is the business momentum and current
state vs. future state improving?
The model lays out revenue, expenses and profits as well as the KPIs (key performance
indicators) that drive profits
5. Is the business getting better or worse? Is the business momentum and current
state vs. future state improving?
• I put in $250k
Capital
Revenue Profit Margin
Investment
40%
36%
35% 33%
30% 29%
25%
25%
21%
20%
17%
15% 13%
10% 9%
5%
5%
0%
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5. Is the business getting better or worse? Is the business momentum and current
state vs. future state improving?
This is a simple,
hypothetical P&L
statement
5. Is the business getting better or worse? Is the business momentum and current
state vs. future state improving?
• Work to understand
the nature of the cost
structure, and how
much is fixed vs.
variable
• Occupancy is a classic “fixed cost”. The monthly lease expense is not influence by the
number of pizzas sold.
• As revenue increases, the occupancy “per pizza” and % occupancy declines. We call that
operating leverage.
• In this hypothetical example, every $15 pizza requires $4.50 of variable costs to make
“Incremental Margin”
Rule of thumb: For a growing biz, incremental margins predict the future base margin
• The company must improve unit level economics to achieve profitability and FCF generation
Often, but not always, current state is baked into the stock
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Current State and Future State
Loss making does not necessarily = BAD, but does raise risk profile
Fundamental Edge Pizza Pizza Unit Economics Unit Scale Breakeven Day at the Pizza Shop
Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4 Year 5 Price per Pizza $10.00 Year 1 Fixed Costs ($315,000)
Food COGS per Pizza ($5.00) - Amort of pizza oven ($25,000)
Pizzas Sold 25,000 50,000 75,000 100,000 105,000 Direct Unit Economics $5.00 - Manager salary ($75,000)
% yoy n.a. 100.0% 50.0% 33.3% 5.0% % margin 50.0% - Hourly labor ($90,000)
Pizzas per Month 2,083 4,167 6,250 8,333 8,750 - Rent & utility expense ($75,000)
Pizzas per Day 68 137 205 274 288 - Other G&A ($50,000)
Price per Pizza $10.00 $10.30 $10.61 $10.93 $11.26 Volume Breakeven 63,000
% yoy n.a. 3.0% 3.0% 3.0% 3.0%
5. Is the business getting better or worse? Is the business momentum and current
state vs. future state improving?
1. Understand the basics of a company (4-6 hours) 9. Identify past case studies that inform (4-6 hours)
• Browse company website • Is this an HMO with depressed margins? How have the past handful of HMO margin expansion stories
• Read the 10-K cover to cover developed for the business and stock?
• Read 2-3 sell-side initiation reports 10. Schedule call with company IR or CFO (1 hour)
2. Build simple annual operating model (4-6 hours) • Walk through list of questions with management
• Look at organic volume and pricing trends going back 10+ years • Compare your assessment with management’s view
• Assess historical margin trends and incremental margins • Assess management’s likelihood of creating value for stock
• Note major capital allocation decisions 11. Identify competitors and channel contacts and schedule calls (10-14 hours)
• Get a sense of base-rate algorithm for revenue, EBITDA and EPS • Focus on uncovering direct evidence relevant to the 3 key drivers
3. Identify and understand the top 3 fundamental drivers (2-4 hours) • Attend key industry (non-sell side) conferences ex. Becker’s Hospital
• Analyze key business segments as a % of revenue and EBIT • Develop a reputation as an authority on the industry, create a network of industry contacts
• Understand what line items in model are the key profit drivers 12. Identify upcoming catalysts and develop a view on them (8-10 hours)
• Read the last 6 months of sell-side notes and identify bull vs. bear debate • Understand market embedded views for upcoming catalysts
4. Build 30-year operational DCF (2-4 hours) • Assess which catalysts we have a divergent view based on PSUC framework (1 minus (win % / (win % plus
• Understand what the stock price is telling you about expectations absolute value of loss %))
• Develop bull, base, bear scenarios on key drivers and compare to stock 13. Develop 1) bull 2) base and 3) bear case based on research (2-4 hours)
5. Understand valuation and market embedded expectations (2-4 hours) • Develop bull, base and bear stock values
• Use DCF to understand the expectations that are baked into the price • Put probabilities on those cases and develop probability tree value, compare that price to stock price – is
there a disconnect?
6. Wrap your arms around current stock narrative (10-12 hours)
• Compare reward price to risk price, is there asymmetry here?
• Spend the time to understand management message to the Street
14. Develop continuing diligence plan (1 hour)
• Listen to past investor day’s, last 8 earnings calls, last 4 conf webcasts
• Plan to regularly check in with industry contacts, competitors and company representative
7. Build full quarterly model (if we don’t have one) (10-12 hours)
• Plan to monitor company press releases, conference presentations and other catalysts
• Focus on detailed revenue build, granular cost structure build
• Tie 3 statements together and focus on cash cycle through the business
8. Comparative Competitive analysis (4-6 hours)
Total Process: (60-90 hours, or 4-6 days of work)
• Compare company to key competitors – organic growth, margins
• How does company compare to peers on key efficiency metrics Granular training modules on each
Key Drivers:
“What’s going to
move the stock?”
Differentiation
5. Is the business getting better or worse? Is the business momentum and current
state vs. future state improving?
2 and 3-year stacks attempt to normalize for unusual year ago comps
• ALGN example:
5. Is the business getting better or worse? Is the business momentum and current
state vs. future state improving?
• Financing sensitivity
1. Consumer financing (70-
80% are financed on 10-15-
year loans) – combined with
ASP increases, monthly
payments have gone up
60%+ over the last 3 years
2. Fleet financing (RV dealers
financing inventory)
4. Backlogs matter.
Dealer inventories
level matter.
4. Backlogs matter.
Dealer inventories
level matter.
• Historical incremental margins have been in the 15-20% range (i.e., for every $1
of revenue, 15-20c goes to profits)
Incredibly strong trends during calendar 20/21, but lately rolling over
Buy-Side Forecasting
Frameworks
A note on forecasting:
My goal here is to
• Building the architecture is a scientific, structured process
provide frameworks
• But it is the forecast that will ultimately drive alpha that can be used.
Your job is to choose
• Forecasting is a creative, multi-disciplinary
which to apply.
3. Always understand the line items that can drive meaningful earnings upside/downside.
1. Start with a baseline forecast that is in-line with historical trend growth rates. For example,
if a company has historically delivered +4-6% organic growth with 25-50bps of margin
expansion, that tends to be a reasonable jumping off point.
3. For peak or trough conditions, forecast with a bias towards mean reversion.
1. Study company commentary on each line item to understand detailed operating conditions. Has
demand been weak, but a new product is coming? Is a competitor product coming to market?
Reflect these elements into your forecast and note these dynamics in cell comments.
2. Specific focus areas where we break apart the forecast to the key puts and takes:
• Underlying components of organic growth.
• Underlying components of margin structure – cost growth and incremental margins.
• Underlying cash flow cycle of the business and use of cash flow – model real-world cash
usage, either buyback or M&.A
• Understand the underlying drivers of • Mind the comps and the 2-year stack
growth
• Mind seasonality
• What is durable?
• Be cautious on durability of elevated
• What has a cap?
growth
• Approach revenue forecast from • Base effect
multiple angles – which is most
• Mean reversion
predictive?
• Model by geography
• Model by volume × price
• Model by product
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Market Revenue $100 $105 $110 $116 $122 $128 $134 $141 $148 $155 $163
% yoy n.a. 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0%
Market Share 10.0% 10.5% 11.0% 11.5% 12.0% 12.0% 12.0% 12.0% 12.0% 12.0% 12.0%
bps yoy n.a. 50 50 50 50 0 0 0 0 0 0
Company Revenue $10.0 $11.0 $12.1 $13.3 $14.6 $15.3 $16.1 $16.9 $17.7 $18.6 $19.5
% yoy n.a. 10.3% 10.0% 9.8% 9.6% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0%
• Strong price increases can drive revenue growth for a period of time, but generally
are less durable that volume driven growth.
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Units 100 103 108 114 119 125 131 138 145 152 160
% yoy n.a. 3.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0%
Price / Unit $1.00 $1.10 $1.21 $1.33 $1.33 $1.33 $1.33 $1.33 $1.33 $1.33 $1.33
% yoy n.a. 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
Revenue $100 $113 $131 $151 $159 $167 $175 $184 $193 $203 $213
% yoy n.a. 13.3% 15.5% 15.5% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0%
1. Growth Stack
2. Mix Accelerator
3. Comp Waterfall
4. Box Replicator
5. Ramp Curve
6. Creative Lags
7. Mix Extrapolation
8. Mid-Cycle
9. Data Correlations
• GDP stack
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Pop Eating Fake Meat 3.3 6.6 10.0 13.5 17.1 20.7 24.4
% yoy n.a. 102.0% 51.5% 34.7% 26.3% 21.2% 17.8%
Volume to XYZ Burgers 0.8 1.6 2.3 3.0 3.6 4.1 4.6
% yoy n.a. 93.9% 45.2% 28.8% 20.5% 15.4% 11.9%
Price Increases / Year 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0%
• Medicare/Medicaid Revenues: Fast Segment $100 $125 $156 $195 $244 $305 $381 $477 $596 $745
% yoy n.a. 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0%
• Generally, structurally % of total revenues 10.0% 11.9% 14.1% 16.6% 19.4% 22.6% 26.2% 30.1% 34.3% 38.8%
HSD/LDD revenue Total Revenues $1,000 $1,052 $1,111 $1,179 $1,257 $1,349 $1,456 $1,584 $1,736 $1,919
% yoy n.a. 5.2% 5.6% 6.1% 6.6% 7.3% 8.0% 8.8% 9.6% 10.6%
growth businesses will
trade at higher P/E
multiples than MSD.
Break down the
segment dynamics to
predict these shifts.
12.5%
12.0% 11.7%
11.0%
10.7%
10.0%
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8.0%
7.0%
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5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0%
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
Box Replicator
0 1 2 3 4 5
EBITDA/Box $0.250 $0.250 $0.250 $0.250 $0.250 $0.250
Boxes 10 15 20 25 30 35
EBITDA $2.5 $3.8 $5.0 $6.3 $7.5 $8.8
• Biotech
• Electric vehicles
• Social media
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50% 48%
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deaths are cremated 40%
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• Likely that US headed 30%
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1985 1995 2000 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014E 2015E 2016E 2017E 2018E 2019E 2020E 2021E 2022E 2023E 2024E 2025E
Total Funeral Revenue $1,525.3 $1,475.7 $1,391.9 $1,492.9 $1,573.5 $1,625.8 $1,704.4 $1,922.0
Total Funeral Gross Profit $307.6 $312.5 $305.8 $317.0 $330.7 $347.8 $350.9 $404.1
• Burial: $10k
Total Revenue per Funeral $5,087.7 $5,305.1 $5,394.1 $5,522.1 $5,660.4 $5,734.4 $5,941.8 $5,902.2
% yoy n.a. 4.3% 1.7% 2.4% 2.5% 1.3% 3.6% (0.7%)
• Cremation: $2k Estimated Cremation Rev per Funeral $1,262.4 $1,357.5 $1,459.6 $1,569.5 $1,687.6 $1,814.7 $1,951.3 $2,078.1
% yoy n.a. 7.5% 7.5% 7.5% 7.5% 7.5% 7.5% 6.5%
Estimated Burial Rev per Funeral $7,472.3 $7,882.5 $8,117.0 $8,337.6 $8,820.1 $9,425.8 $9,932.3 $10,095.1
% yoy n.a. 5.5% 3.0% 2.7% 5.8% 6.9% 5.4% 1.6%
Estimated Cremation Revenue $145.3 $149.2 $154.0 $176.5 $207.8 $249.5 $279.9 $353.9
Estimated Burial Revenue $1,380.0 $1,326.5 $1,237.9 $1,316.4 $1,365.7 $1,376.3 $1,424.5 $1,568.1
Estimated Cremation Revenue Mix 9.5% 10.1% 11.1% 11.8% 13.2% 15.3% 16.4% 18.4%
Estimated Burial Revenue Mix 90.5% 89.9% 88.9% 88.2% 86.8% 84.7% 83.6% 81.6%
Total Funeral Services Performed (cremation plus burial) 299,801 278,165 258,040 270,351 277,983 283,516 286,851 325,641
% yoy n.a. (7.2%) (7.2%) 4.8% 2.8% 2.0% 1.2% 13.5%
% SAME STORE n.a. (2.7%) (6.8%) (2.0%) (2.4%) (2.0%) (0.8%) (1.8%)
% NEW STORE n.a. (4.5%) (0.4%) 6.8% 5.3% 4.0% 2.0% 15.4%
0.70% 2.70% 4.20% 1.50% 2.30%
% Burial 61.6% 60.5% 59.1% 58.4% 55.7% 51.5% 50.0% 47.7%
% Cremation 38.4% 39.5% 40.9% 41.6% 44.3% 48.5% 50.0% 52.3%
250.0% 238.9%
200.0%
146.3%
150.0%
100.0%
60.7%
46.5%
50.0% 33.1% 27.5% 28.9%
14.9% 9.1%
1.6%
0.0%
(100.0%)
Q4 18 Q1 19 Q2 19 Q3 19 Q4 19 Q1 20 Q2 20 Q3 20 Q4 20 Q1 21 Q2 21 Q3 21 Q4 21 Q1 22 Q2 22
Compare the YoY change in searches to YoY revenue growth from WGO, CWH and THO
• Think through the supply chain, from customer search to manufacturer sale. If it make
sense, lag the series 1-2 quarters.
"RV's for sale" yoy, lagged 2 quarters vs. manufacturer sales yoy Correlation
300.0%
No Lag 10.6%
Lagged 1Q 39.3%
250.0%
Lagged 2Q 87.2%
200.0% R-Squared
No Lag 1.1%
150.0% Lagged 1Q 15.4%
Lagged 2Q 76.0%
100.0%
50.0%
0.0%
Q4 18 Q1 19 Q2 19 Q3 19 Q4 19 Q1 20 Q2 20 Q3 20 Q4 20 Q1 21 Q2 21 Q3 21 Q4 21
(50.0%)
(100.0%)
Q2 21 Q3 21 Q4 21 Q1 22 Q2 22 Q3 22E Q4 22E
Google Trends, Lagged 2 Quarters 146.3% 60.7% 9.1% (26.4%) (39.0%) (19.6%) (24.7%)
Correlation
No Lag 10.6%
Lagged 1Q 39.3%
Lagged 2Q 87.2%
R-Squared
No Lag 1.1%
Lagged 1Q 15.4%
Lagged 2Q 76.0%
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Durability of Growth: Revenue: Percent or Dollar?
• As companies become bigger, high ROIC projects become rarer (more competitive)
• A larger base revenue makes high percent growth more difficult, and markets extrapolate
• 25% shrank
• Companies have
a life cycle!
• P/E multiples tend to correlate with top-line % revenue growth. Usually, when growth
slows, P/Es will crack.
• Sustained 10% and revenue growth is RARE, but when it does happen it generally drives
phenomenal outcomes for the stock.
• IDXX/AMZN/TSLA/GOOGL/AAPL/V, etc. – growth durability stories
• Sell a t-shirt for $15, the T-Shirts Sold 100 110 121 133 146 161
% yoy n.a. 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0%
raw-shirt cost me $5.
Price per T-Shirt $15.00 $15.15 $15.30 $15.45 $15.61 $15.77
• $5 for the shirt is variable – % yoy n.a. 1.0% 1.0% 1.0% 1.0% 1.0%
I incur that expense with Cost per T-Shirt ($5.00) ($5.10) ($5.20) ($5.31) ($5.41) ($5.52)
% yoy n.a. 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0%
every sale, undeniably.
Gross Profit per T-Shirt $10.00 $10.05 $10.10 $10.15 $10.20 $10.24
• I also spend money for an % margin 66.7% 66.3% 66.0% 65.7% 65.3% 65.0%
Gross Profit per T-Shirt $10.00 $10.05 $10.10 $10.15 $10.20 $10.24
• Forecast fixed costs with a simple % margin 66.7% 66.3% 66.0% 65.7% 65.3% 65.0%
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Units 100 105 110 116 122 128 134 141 148 155 163
% yoy n.a. 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0%
Price / Unit $1.00 $1.02 $1.04 $1.06 $1.08 $1.10 $1.13 $1.15 $1.17 $1.20 $1.22
% yoy n.a. 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0%
Revenue $100 $107 $115 $123 $132 $141 $151 $162 $173 $185 $199
% yoy n.a. 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1%
Fixed Costs ($30.00) ($30.60) ($31.21) ($31.84) ($32.47) ($33.12) ($33.78) ($34.46) ($35.15) ($35.85) ($36.57)
% of revenue 30.0% 28.6% 27.2% 25.9% 24.7% 23.5% 22.4% 21.3% 20.3% 19.3% 18.4%
bps yoy n.a. (143) (136) (130) (123) (118) (112) (107) (102) (97) (92)
% yoy n.a. 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0%
Variable Costs ($60.00) ($64.26) ($68.82) ($73.71) ($78.94) ($84.55) ($90.55) ($96.98) ($103.86) ($111.24) ($119.14)
% of revenue 60.0% 60.0% 60.0% 60.0% 60.0% 60.0% 60.0% 60.0% 60.0% 60.0% 60.0%
bps yoy n.a. 0 0 0 (0) 0 0 0 (0) 0 (0)
% yoy n.a. 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1% 7.1%
Per Unit ($0.60) ($0.61) ($0.62) ($0.64) ($0.65) ($0.66) ($0.68) ($0.69) ($0.70) ($0.72) ($0.73)
% yoy n.a. 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0% 2.0%
Total Expenses ($90.00) ($94.86) ($100.03) ($105.55) ($111.42) ($117.67) ($124.33) ($131.44) ($139.01) ($147.09) ($155.71)
% of revenue 90.0% 88.6% 87.2% 85.9% 84.7% 83.5% 82.4% 81.3% 80.3% 79.3% 78.4%
bps yoy n.a. (143) (136) (130) (123) (118) (112) (107) (102) (97) (92)
% yoy n.a. 5.4% 5.5% 5.5% 5.6% 5.6% 5.7% 5.7% 5.8% 5.8% 5.9%
Price Increase Fundamental Edge Pizza Volume Increase Fundamental Edge Pizza
All else equal, a Pre Post Pre Post
point of revenue Pizzas Sold 100,000 100,000 Pizzas Sold 100,000 110,000
% yoy n.a. 0.0% % yoy n.a. 10.0%
growth from price Price per Pizza $10.00 $11.00 Price per Pizza $10.00 $10.00
is more valuable to % yoy n.a. 10.0% % yoy n.a. 0.0%
from volume Food COGS per Pizza ($5.00) ($5.00) Food COGS per Pizza ($5.00) ($5.00)
% yoy n.a. 0.0% % yoy n.a. 0.0%
Amortization of Pizza Oven ($25,000) ($25,000) Amortization of Pizza Oven ($25,000) ($25,000)
Direct Food Costs ($500,000) ($500,000) Direct Food Costs ($500,000) ($550,000)
Total COGS ($525,000) ($525,000) Total COGS ($525,000) ($575,000)
% of revenue 52.5% 47.7% % of revenue 52.5% 52.3%
bps yoy n.a. (477) bps yoy n.a. (23)
% yoy n.a. 0.0% % yoy n.a. 9.5%
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
• It is more common to
Revenue $100 $105 $110 $116 $122 $128 $134 $141 $148 $155 $163
model margins by “BPS YoY” % yoy n.a. 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0%
Operating Profit $10.00 $11.55 $13.23 $15.05 $17.02 $19.14 $21.44 $23.92 $26.59 $29.48 $32.58
% margin 10.0% 11.0% 12.0% 13.0% 14.0% 15.0% 16.0% 17.0% 18.0% 19.0% 20.0%
• A consistent BPS YoY bps yoy n.a. 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100
% yoy n.a. 15.5% 14.5% 13.8% 13.1% 12.5% 12.0% 11.6% 11.2% 10.8% 10.5%
implies expanding Incremental Margin n.a. 31.0% 32.0% 33.0% 34.0% 35.0% 36.0% 37.0% 38.0% 39.0% 40.0%
“incremental margins” 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Revenue $100 $105 $110 $116 $122 $128 $134 $141 $148 $155 $163
% yoy n.a. 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0% 5.0%
• It is more “real world” to Operating Profit $10.00 $11.55 $13.18 $14.89 $16.68 $18.56 $20.54 $22.62 $24.80 $27.09 $29.50
BPS YoY
• In constructing a model, try to think through “how this business makes” money and how a
dollar flows through the P&L.
• How might the CFO think about responding to drops in revenues? Might a large drop in
revenue lead to the CFO to pull back on marketing spend?
• ALGN example
• P&L: Source of most “forecast metrics.” Will value the stock by applying a multiple
to these metrics.
23 EPS
• 13 estimates for ’23 EPS from NFLX 1 Canaccord Genuity $12.84
2 Raymond James $12.41
3 Guggenheim Securities $11.96
• Ranging from $12.84 to $9.49 (26% gap) 4 Jefferies $11.84
5 Monness, Crespi, Hardt $11.19
6 Restricted 2 $10.65
• Is NFLX trading at 17.5x? (Canaccord) 7 Truist Securities $10.63
8 Restricted 1 $10.49
• Is NFLX trading at 23.7x? (Rosenblatt) 9 Wolfe Research
10 Cowen & Company
$10.38
$10.09
11 Restricted 3 $9.83
• Is NFLX trading at 20.7x? (Consensus) 12 Deutsche Bank Research $9.52
13 Rosenblatt Securities $9.49
Consensus $10.87
• Generally, P/E multiples are quote on
Price as of 10.7.22 $224.75
consensus estimates, but the “E”
Street High $12.84
matters in the P/E ratio. Street Low $9.49
Street Low vs. High (26.1%)
• Understand past bias on initial guides (i.e., usually 5-7% upside cushion)
• Understand difference in Q1 vs. Q3 print (band-aid ripper) – hunt for hockey stick guides
capitalized by P/E
• Usually revisions
become apparent
on/around earnings
season
• Conclusion: Sell-side equity research is a client service role, where helping your
buy-side client win is a key to success.
1. Minimal incentive for estimate accuracy (the #1 carrot is Institutional Investor vote…this is
a sales job)
2. Pressure to cluster around guidance (plus/minus a nickel) due to pressure from corporate
and clients
• $7.50-$9.00 updated
guidance ($8.25 mean)
• $8.66 mean
• My estimate? $12.50
Over long periods of time, the RV industry has been a ~3-4% unit growth industry
With towables
taking market
share of aggregate
RV shipments
To generate a baseline unit forecast, forecast industry units then market share
2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023E 2024E 2025E
Industry RV Shipments 430,691 504,599 483,672 406,070 430,412 600,240 493,268 419,278 406,699 418,900
% yoy 15.1% 17.2% (4.1%) (16.0%) 6.0% 39.5% (17.8%) (15.0%) (3.0%) 3.0%
YOY Shipments 56,445 73,908 (20,927) (77,602) 24,342 169,828 (106,972) (73,990) (12,578) 12,201
WGO Share 3.0% 7.1% 8.4% 9.5% 11.3% 12.5% 12.7% 13.0% 13.2% 13.5%
bps share n.a. 410 130 110 180 120 20 25 25 25
Implied WGO Units (ex-Boats) 12,921 35,827 40,628 38,577 48,637 75,030 62,645 54,296 53,684 56,342
% yoy n.a. 177.3% 13.4% (5.1%) 26.1% 54.3% (16.5%) (13.3%) (1.1%) 5.0%
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50.0%
0.0%
Q4 20 Q1 21 Q2 21 Q3 21 Q4 21 Q1 22 Q2 22 Q3 22 Q4 22 Q1 23 Q2 23
(50.0%)
(100.0%)
WGO RVIA
Supplemented by on
the ground diligence
Buy-Side Valuation
DCF is the best method to value Also true, 99% of PM’s don’t like
an asset, all other methods DCFs. So sensitive to cost of capital
are just a shortcut. and terminal growth assumptions.
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“The Market”
• Collectively, the S&P 500 drives 5-6% revenue growth, 9-12% EPS growth (historically
delivered 6% EPS growth)
• Long-short spread is the name of the game in hedge fund stock selection
Revenue $1,000,000 $1,045,000 $1,092,025 $1,141,166 $1,192,519 $2,876,014 $3,005,434 $3,140,679 $3,282,010 $3,429,700 $3,584,036
% yoy n.a. 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5%
Tax Rate 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0%
NOPAT $112,500 $117,954 $123,672 $129,665 $135,947 $349,436 $366,287 $383,948 $402,456 $421,853 $442,181
Interest Expense ($40,301) ($40,301) ($40,301) ($40,301) ($40,301) ($40,301) ($40,301) ($40,301) ($40,301) ($40,301) ($40,301)
Invested Capital $750,000 $783,750 $819,019 $855,875 $894,389 $2,157,010 $2,254,076 $2,355,509 $2,461,507 $2,572,275 $2,688,027
YOY Change in IC n.a. $33,750 $35,269 $36,856 $38,514 $92,886 $97,065 $101,433 $105,998 $110,768 $115,752
ROIC 15.0% 15.1% 15.1% 15.2% 15.2% 16.2% 16.3% 16.3% 16.4% 16.4% 16.5%
Increase in IC 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5% 4.5%
Capital Expenditure ($25,313) ($26,452) ($27,642) ($28,886) ($30,186) ($72,799) ($76,075) ($79,498) ($83,076) ($86,814) $0
% of revenue 2.5% 2.5% 2.5% 2.5% 2.5% 2.5% 2.5% 2.5% 2.5% 2.5% 0.0%
Free Cash Flow $87,188 $91,503 $96,030 $100,779 $105,761 $276,637 $290,212 $304,450 $319,381 $335,039 $442,181
% margin 8.7% 8.8% 8.8% 8.8% 8.9% 9.6% 9.7% 9.7% 9.7% 9.8% 12.3%
FCF/Share $0.58 $0.61 $0.64 $0.67 $0.71 $1.84 $1.93 $2.03 $2.13 $2.23 $2.95
Discount Rate 8.0% 8.0% 8.0% 8.0% 8.0% 8.0% 8.0% 8.0% 8.0% 8.0% 8.0%
Discounted FCF $80,729 $78,449 $76,232 $74,076 $71,979 $40,394 $39,237 $38,113 $37,021 $35,959 $43,943
• Key questions:
• What is the proper P/E to apply?
• What the proper EPS to apply that P/E to?
• When is the price?
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Free Cash Flow $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10
• However, cash has an opportunity cost and cash flows have risk, so we must discount these
future cash flows
• At a 10% discount rate, this FCF stream is worth $61 (or a 6.1x multiple)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Free Cash Flow $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10
Discount Period 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Discount Rate 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0%
Discounted FCF $9.1 $8.3 $7.5 $6.8 $6.2 $5.6 $5.1 $4.7 $4.2 $3.9
• However, we must account for the terminal • Notice here, the TV is ~40% of total value,
value of the asset – apply a terminal growth rate even after forecasting 10 years of FCF (which is
or multiple (same difference). very difficult to do accurately!).
• When accounting for TV, the asset is again • After 3 years, TV might account for 85%+ of
worth 10x. NPV – so why not just apply a multiple?
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Terminal
Free Cash Flow $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $100 10.0x
Discount Period 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 10
Discount Rate 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0% 10.0%
Discounted FCF $9.1 $8.3 $7.5 $6.8 $6.2 $5.6 $5.1 $4.7 $4.2 $3.9 $38.6
P/E
Which is the most Stock 1 10.0x
Stock 2 30.0x
attractive stock? Stock 3 100.0x
Stock 1 0 1 2 3 4 5
EPS $1.00 $0.95 $0.90 $0.86 $0.81 $0.77
% yoy (5.0%) (5.0%) (5.0%) (5.0%) (5.0%)
Stock 2 0 1 2 3 4 5
EPS $1.00 $1.15 $1.32 $1.52 $1.75 $2.01
% yoy 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0% 15.0%
Stock 3 0 1 2 3 4 5
EPS $1.00 $1.70 $2.72 $4.08 $5.71 $7.43
% yoy 70.0% 60.0% 50.0% 40.0% 30.0%
2. Simplistic method
• Easy to implement
• Can compare to where asset has traded historically
• Can compare to other similar assets
Thought process:
• “Where an asset
has traded in
the past helps
influence where
it might trade in
the future”
Thought process:
• “Where an asset
has traded in
the past helps
influence where
it might trade in
the future”
Market Cap ÷ FCF = FCF Multiple • Used as a proxy for payback period
• “A 10% FCF yield could buy back the market cap
• Considered on an unlevered (pre
in 10 years w/ no growth.”
interest) or levered basis (post interest):
• Many investors prefer since cash drives Free Cash Flow $40
value (not accounting EPS). EPS is meant to
be a proxy for FCF, so why not just use FCF? FCF Yield, Levered 10.0%
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Applying P/E Multiples
• Peer relative multiples tell you about the embedded expectation for a name.
• What is the market telling us about expected organic revenue growth for MedTech 5?
Organic
NTM P/E Rev Growth
MedTech 1 26.0x 12.0%
MedTech 2 24.0x 8.0%
MedTech 3 22.0x 7.0%
MedTech 4 14.0x 4.0%
Avg 21.5x 7.8%
MedTech 5 18.0x ?
• What if we believe that MedTech 5 has a pathway to achieve Medtech 3 organic growth?
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AMZN Example (cont’d)
• Market multiple
• Growth
• Normalized profitability
• Capital intensity
• Duration/quality
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EV / Revenue EV/EBITDA P/E Revenue
Price Shares MCAP Net Debt EV 2019 2020 2021 2019 2020 2021 2019 2020 2021
XRAY $59.96 224.9 $13,485 $1,190 $14,675 3.7x 3.5x 3.4x 16.7x 15.3x 14.2x 24.4x 21.9x 19.7x
STMN $1,039.09 15.9 $16,522 $60 $16,582 10.1x 8.8x 7.7x 33.0x 27.6x 24.1x 46.5x 38.2x 32.8x
ALGN $280.70 79.8 $22,400 ($782) $21,617 9.0x 7.5x 6.3x 34.6x 28.1x 23.1x 52.4x 43.1x 35.0x
SDC $13.20 382.9 $5,054 ($328) $4,726 6.3x 4.1x 3.0x n.a. 270.1x 33.2x n.a. n.a. 264.0x
AVG 7.3x 6.0x 5.1x 28.1x 85.3x 23.7x 41.1x 34.4x 87.9x
AVG (ex. SDC) 7.6x 6.6x 5.8x 28.1x 23.7x 20.5x 41.1x 34.4x 29.2x
NVST - BELL ROCK $34.93 178.5 $6,235 $1,119 $7,354 2.7x 3.8x 2.9x 17.5x 35.0x 14.9x 22.8x 64.9x 18.9x
When does the core P/E x EPS formula not work well?
• Company coming out of a capital cycle with depreciation well above capex
North American Operating Income 4.1% 3.7% 2.6% (1.4%) 5.0% 5.0%
International Operating Income (2.3%) 0.7% (0.7%) (7.0%) 3.0% 3.0%
AWS Operating Income 26.3% 29.8% 29.8% 28.9% 30.0% 30.0%
TOTAL OPERATING INCOME 5.2% 5.9% 5.3% 2.0% 8.9% 9.3%
Provision for income taxes ($2,374) ($2,863) ($4,791) $1,384 ($6,473) ($7,784)
% rate 13.0% 13.0%
3.0% 2.6%
2.0%
1.0%
0.0%
(1.0%)
(2.0%) (1.4%)
2018 2019 2020 2021 2022E Normal
25%, but losing money Operating Profit ($10) ($6) $8 $20 $37 $61 Discount Year 4
% margin (10.0%) (5.0%) 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% Discount Rate 15.0%
• Not until Year 5 will Interest Expense ($5) ($5) ($5) ($5) ($5) ($5)
Discounted Normalized $60.07
Pre-Tax ($15) ($11) $3 $15 $32 $56
the company be Tax Expense $4 $3 ($1) ($4) ($8) ($14)
% rate 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0% 25.0%
making money Net Income
Diluted Shares
($11)
10
($8)
10
$2
10
$11
10
$24
10
$42
10
EPS ($1.13) ($0.84) $0.21 $1.09 $2.37 $4.20
% yoy n.a. (25.0%) (125.0%) 416.7% 117.6% 77.2%
• “Focus on TAM,
earnings, growth
and corresponding
P/E 5-7 year out”
• “Public investors
are not always as
imaginative as
private investors”
• Mid-cycle/normalized revenue
• Strip out any big revenue headwinds or tailwinds
• Normalized margin
• Beware of putting a multiple on a peak or trough margin
• Capital structure
• If company is paying down debt, consider that
• If company has high interest debt that can be refinanced, consider that
• With a P/E roll-forward approach, we must forecast 1) EPS and 2) changes in P/E
• PEG/algorithm approach
• A simple framework
• P/E × EPS = Price
• As stock pickers, we are price forecasters
• For a 1-year forecast, we need to forecast NTM + 2 EPS and NTM + 2 P/E
• 10 Year Median: 1 year Max 0.7x 4.3x 6.9x 8.7x 14.6% 20.0%
11.6x 3 year Max 1.1x 7.4x 13.4x 21.2x 16.6% 20.0%
5 year Max 1.1x 7.4x 13.4x 21.2x 16.6% 20.0%
10 year Max 1.1x 7.8x 13.4x 22.2x 16.6% 20.0%
139%
140% 12.0%
12.0% 11.7% 11.7% 11.8%
11.2% 11.0%
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100% 10.0%
83% 8.8%
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Business Momentum (cont’d)
139%
140%
120%
100%
83%
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64%
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45% 46%
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40% 35% 34%
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Business Momentum (cont’d)
12.0%
12.0% 11.7% 11.7% 11.8%
11.2% 11.0%
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Temporary Tailwind Shorts
WGO EPS
$16.00
$13.81
$14.00
$12.00
$10.00
$8.55
$8.00 $7.56 $7.57
$6.00
$4.00 $3.54
$3.22
$2.53 $2.58
$2.00
$0.00
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WGO P/E
30.0x
26.4x 25.9x
25.0x
20.7x
20.0x 18.9x
15.0x
4.8x
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WGO FCF
$350
$313
$300
$250 $238
$200 $192
$150
$93
$100 $83
$55
$50
$0
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12.0% 11.6%
10.0% 9.4%
8.0%
6.0%
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WGO Valuation vs. Market
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WGO: Valuation
Next steps:
• How do we take this valuation work and create our bull, base and bear cases?
Buy-Side Thesis
Development
ü A good business, bad business framework ü Unit economics and “how does this business
make money”
ü The Fundamental Edge pizza shop
ü Cost structure analysis and incremental
ü The Focus Five: What Drives Value
margins
1. Organic growth
ü The importance of key driver identification
2. Margin trajectory
3. Capital intensity
4. Capital deployment
5. Terminal value perception
1. Understand the basics of a company (4-6 hours) 9. Identify past case studies that inform (4-6 hours)
• Browse company website • Is this an HMO with depressed margins? How have the past handful of HMO margin expansion
• Read the 10-K cover to cover stories developed for the business and stock?
• Read 2-3 sell-side initiation reports 10. Schedule call with company IR or CFO (1 hour)
2. Build simple annual operating model (4-6 hours) • Walk through list of questions with management
• Look at organic volume and pricing trends going back 10+ years • Compare your assessment with management’s view
• Assess historical margin trends and incremental margins • Assess management’s likelihood of creating value for stock
• Note major capital allocation decisions 11. Identify competitors and channel contacts and schedule calls (10-14 hours)
• Get a sense of base-rate algorithm for revenue, EBITDA and EPS • Focus on uncovering direct evidence relevant to the 3 key drivers
3. Identify and understand the top 3 fundamental drivers (2-4 hours) • Attend key industry (non-sell side) conferences ex. Becker’s Hospital
• Analyze key business segments as a % of revenue and EBIT • Develop a reputation as an authority on the industry, create a network of industry contacts
• Understand what line items in model are the key profit drivers 12. Identify upcoming catalysts and develop a view on them (8-10 hours)
• Read the last 6 months of sell-side notes and identify bull vs. bear debate • Understand market embedded views for upcoming catalysts
4. Build 30-year operational DCF (2-4 hours) • Assess which catalysts we have a divergent view based on PSUC framework (1 minus (win % /
• Understand what the stock price is telling you about expectations (win % plus absolute value of loss %))
• Develop bull, base, bear scenarios on key drivers and compare to stock 13. Develop 1) bull 2) base and 3) bear case based on research (2-4 hours)
5. Understand valuation and market embedded expectations (2-4 hours) • Develop bull, base and bear stock values
• Use DCF to understand the expectations that are baked into the price • Put probabilities on those cases and develop probability tree value, compare that price to stock
price – is there a disconnect?
6. Wrap your arms around current stock narrative (10-12 hours)
• Compare reward price to risk price, is there asymmetry here?
• Spend the time to understand management message to the Street
14. Develop continuing diligence plan (1 hour)
• Listen to past investor day’s, last 8 earnings calls, last 4 conf webcasts
• Plan to regularly check in with industry contacts, competitors and company representative
7. Build full quarterly model (if we don’t have one) (10-12 hours)
• Plan to monitor company press releases, conference presentations and other catalysts
• Focus on detailed revenue build, granular cost structure build
• Tie 3 statements together and focus on cash cycle through the business
8. Comparative Competitive analysis (4-6 hours)
Total Process: (60-90 hours, or 4-6 days of work)
• Compare company to key competitors – organic growth, margins
• How does company compare to peers on key efficiency metrics Granular training modules on each
Key Drivers:
“What’s going to
move the stock?”
Differentiation
• Each team member brings one idea per week: long, short, pair, or theme
• This drives a steady flow of 5 potential ideas into the portfolio each week
• We collectively discuss potential ideas Friday at lunch to target our deep dives
• PMs want to know 1) how much I make if I am right, 12 Months Risk Case
2023 EPS $2.10
2) how much I will lose if I am wrong?
Target P/E 32.0x
Next 12 Months Risk $67.20
• Experienced investors know there is no such thing as a % RISK (21.9%)
“sure thing” and have a tendency to think probabilistically
(the good ones, at least). R/R 2.6x
• “Take care case of the risk case and the reward will take
care of itself.”
Demonstration
Lever for
Articulable that stock is
appreciation
reason a stock erroneously
Your Title and/or catalyst
Your Title
is cheap discounting key
for re-pricing
drivers
• Thesis point #1
• Example: Organic growth is accelerating from 5% to 8% due to a new product. Consensus
under-estimates this new product and only expects an acceleration to 6%.
• Thesis point #2
• Example: Incremental margins on this new product are 70%. As such, the incremental
revenue will drop through at a high rate, leading to margin expansion of 150bps for the next 2
years, vs. only 75bps expected at Street.
• Thesis point #3
• Example: The company has paid off debt and now has excess FCF. We expect the
initiation of a buyback to reduce share count by 5% this year and next, leading to
additional EPS growth.
Risk Checklist
• Does this business have attractive unit economics?
Business Model • Does this business have high return reinvestment opportunities?
• Does this business have pricing power?
• Could a new entrant disrupt these attractive economics?
• Does the cash flow statement show unburdened distributable free cash flow?
• Does the company have a history of buying back stock when attractively priced?
Capital Deployment
• Has the company destroyed value with misguided acquisitions?
• Does management allocate capital with an investor’s lens?
• I think about prospective IRR as the likely “trade corridor” or the likely
predominant direction of the stock
• If I am right that a stock offers a 20% IRR, it still might go nowhere for 6 months,
but the predominant direction is up and to the right (and a 6-month period of
sideways trading actually expands the IRR)
Select a time-frame. Can be 2 months or 2 years, but I like to pick a time-frame and run
all of my stocks through that consistent time-frame.
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Probability Trees
• Reflects the reality that equities are not binary, and have multiple scenarios
• Stock prices reflect embedded probabilities, and a probability tree can highlight where the
market price is too optimistic, or too pessimistic
• Look for longs where bear/disaster case is only modest downside (i.e., baking in the worst
case, or close to it)
Inputting the
balance sheet
5. Is the business getting better or worse? Is the business momentum and current
state vs. future state improving?
• Financing sensitivity
1. Consumer financing (70-
80% are financed on 10–15-
year loans) – combined with
ASP increases, monthly
payments have gone up
60%+ over the last 3 years
2. Fleet financing (RV dealers
financing inventory)
Trading at 8x earnings
4. Backlogs matter.
Dealer inventories
level matter.
4. Backlogs matter.
Dealer inventories
level matter.
• Historical incremental margins have been in the 15-20% range (i.e., for every $1
of revenue, 15-20c goes to profits)
Incredibly strong trends during calendar 20/21, but lately rolling over
Over long periods of time, the RV industry has been a ~3-4% unit growth industry
With towables
taking market
share of aggregate
RV shipments
To generate a baseline unit forecast, forecast industry units then market share
2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023E 2024E 2025E
Industry RV Shipments 430,691 504,599 483,672 406,070 430,412 600,240 493,268 419,278 406,699 418,900
% yoy 15.1% 17.2% (4.1%) (16.0%) 6.0% 39.5% (17.8%) (15.0%) (3.0%) 3.0%
YOY Shipments 56,445 73,908 (20,927) (77,602) 24,342 169,828 (106,972) (73,990) (12,578) 12,201
WGO Share 3.0% 7.1% 8.4% 9.5% 11.3% 12.5% 12.7% 13.0% 13.2% 13.5%
bps share n.a. 410 130 110 180 120 20 25 25 25
Implied WGO Units (ex-Boats) 12,921 35,827 40,628 38,577 48,637 75,030 62,645 54,296 53,684 56,342
% yoy n.a. 177.3% 13.4% (5.1%) 26.1% 54.3% (16.5%) (13.3%) (1.1%) 5.0%
200.0%
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WGO RVIA
Supplemented by on
the ground diligence
• 10 Year Median: 1 year Max 0.7x 4.3x 6.9x 8.7x 14.6% 20.0%
11.6x 3 year Max 1.1x 7.4x 13.4x 21.2x 16.6% 20.0%
5 year Max 1.1x 7.4x 13.4x 21.2x 16.6% 20.0%
10 year Max 1.1x 7.8x 13.4x 22.2x 16.6% 20.0%
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Business Momentum (cont’d)
12.0%
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11.2% 11.0%
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10.0%
8.8%
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WGO EPS
$16.00
$13.81
$14.00
$12.00
$10.00
$8.55
$8.00 $7.56 $7.57
$6.00
$4.00 $3.54
$3.22
$2.53 $2.58
$2.00
$0.00
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WGO P/E
30.0x
26.4x 25.9x
25.0x
20.7x
20.0x 18.9x
15.0x
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WGO FCF
$350
$313
$300
$250 $238
$200 $192
$150
$93
$100 $83
$55
$50
$0
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12.0% 11.6%
10.0% 9.4%
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• What is baked in? What do I believe to be true? What is the expectations gap?
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WGO: Fundamentals (cont’d)
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WGO: Expectations
(2.0x)
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(10.0x)
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WGO: FEV
Valuation
Expectations
Fundamentals Cheap, as long as
Out year consensus
Deteriorating margins stay
seems too high
elevated
Valuation
Expectations
Fundamentals Cheap, as long as
Out year consensus
Deteriorating margins stay
seems too high
elevated
2. Model construction
3. Key driver
differentiation (its
own module)
4.
The earnings print is the most common convergence point
for the market view becoming aligned with your view.
$150,000
$138,999
$130,098
$130,000
$110,000
$70,000
$50,000
2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022
8.0%
6.5% 6.6%
6.0%
4.1% 3.9%
4.0%
3.1%
2.0%
0.0%
2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022
Motorhome margins
$15,511
$15,000
$10,000
$6,164 $6,103
$0
2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022
The biggest shift in the margin structure ’20 to ’22 has been on Motorhome margins
$10.00
Units
2015-2019 Average 439,856
2009-2019 Average 347,572
2025 "Normal" 392,345
2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023E 2024E 2025E 2026E
Industry RV Shipments 430,691 504,599 483,672 406,070 430,412 600,240 493,268 394,614 382,776 392,345 402,154
% yoy 15.1% 17.2% (4.1%) (16.0%) 6.0% 39.5% (17.8%) (20.0%) (3.0%) 2.5% 2.5%
YOY Shipments 56,445 73,908 (20,927) (77,602) 24,342 169,828 (106,972) (98,654) (11,838) 9,569 9,809
WGO Share 3.0% 7.1% 8.4% 9.5% 11.3% 12.5% 12.7% 13.0% 13.2% 13.5% 13.7%
bps share n.a. 410 130 110 180 120 20 25 25 25 25
Implied WGO Units (ex-Boats) 12,921 35,827 40,628 38,577 48,637 75,030 62,645 51,103 50,526 52,770 55,095
% yoy n.a. 177.3% 13.4% (5.1%) 26.1% 54.3% (16.5%) (18.4%) (1.1%) 4.4% 4.4%
Units
2015-2019 Average 439,856 Covid Pull-Forward EPS Sensitivity
2009-2019 Average 347,572 Induistry Unit Pullforward 194,170
2025 "Normal" 392,345
WGO Share 12.7%
Est COVID pull-forward 194,170 WGO Pullforward Units 24,660
2022-2024 Impact (217,464) 2022 Profit per Unit $8,023
Pull-Forward Profit $198
Tax Rate 20.0%
After Tax Impact $158.3
Diluted Shares 35.5
EPS Impact $4.46
Positives Negatives
$77.38 $43.13
1 year return scenarios Tactical R/R Tactical R/R 2023E
2025 EPS P/E 12m Target % return Price
$70.00
Reward
10.5%
Risk
(38.4%)
R/R
0.3x
% move
20.4%
Bull $8.50 12.0x $102.00 75.5% $69.00 12.1% (37.5%) 0.3x 18.7%
$68.00 13.8% (36.6%) 0.4x 17.0%
Base $6.92 10.0x $69.17 19.0% $67.00 15.5% (35.6%) 0.4x 15.3%
$66.00 17.2% (34.7%) 0.5x 13.5%
Bear $5.75 7.5x $43.13 (25.8%) $65.00 19.0% (33.7%) 0.6x 11.8%
$64.00 20.9% (32.6%) 0.6x 10.1%
$63.00 22.8% (31.5%) 0.7x 8.4%
• On bull/management case of $10-12 EPS, stock is very cheap (5-6x P/E) and is a solid,
if not cyclical, business
• Particularly if one has a view of a consumer recession, the stock could be in for a
difficult period
The biggest shift in the margin structure ’20 to ’22 has been on Motorhome margins
$10.00
Valuation
Expectations
Fundamentals Cheap, as long as
Out year consensus
Deteriorating margins stay
seems too high
elevated
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