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5
World ASK Growth
4
ASK index
3
Growth Fit with 1%
2 Annual Reduction
0
1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000
Jet
Jet Schedules
Schedules Show
Show Decreasing
Decreasing Seat
Seat Counts
Counts
Seat
SeatCount
Count ASKs
ASKs
Year
Year (Average)
(Average) (100%=1985)
(100%=1985)
1985
1985 192
192 100%
100%
1990
1990 195
195 138%
138%
1995
1995 194
194 174%
174%
2000
2000 187
187 225%
225%
Airline
Airline 1990
1990 2000
2000 1900-2000
1900-2000
Domicile
Domicile Seat
SeatCount
Count Seat
SeatCount
Count ASK
ASKgrowth
growth
WORLD
WORLD 195
195 187
187 163%
163%
China,
China,Hong
HongKong
Kong 212
212 205
205 353%
353%
Southeast
SoutheastAsiaAsia 281
281 293
293 226%
226%
Europe
Europe 201
201 191
191 200%
200%
Oceania
Oceania 215
215 212
212 185%
185%
Central
CentralAmerica
America 150
150 135
135 185%
185%
Japan
Japan&&Korea
Korea 290
290 271
271 182%
182%
Middle
MiddleEast
East 235
235 228
228 167%
167%
Africa
Africa 200
200 215
215 163%
163%
Southwest
SouthwestAsiaAsia 218
218 191
191 162%
162%
South
SouthAmerica
America 155
155 136
136 158%
158%
North
NorthAmerica
America 159
159 145
145 132%
132%
Russia
RussiaRegion
Region 153
153 150
150 113%
113%
Forecasters in 1983 Had a Really Hard Time
Forecasters in 1983 Had a Hard Time
200
190
Seats Per Airplane
180
170
160
150
140
130
120
1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000
Forecasters in 1990 Were Still Confused
230
1990
220 FORECAST
210
200
Seats Per Airplane
190
180
170 2004 data
1990 data
160
150
140
130
1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010
What We Missed: New Routes
3.5
Daily Departures per Nonstop Pair, average
2.5
2.0
1.5
1.0
1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005
Air Travel Growth Has Been Met By
Increased Frequencies and Non-Stops
Smaller Airplanes - 4%
400
350
Seats Per Departure
300
250
200
150 Average
100
50
0
0 2000 4000 6000 8000 10000 12000 14000 16000 18000
Seats Per Day
400
Seats/Dep in 2000 (same pair)
350
300
250
200
150
150 200 250 300 350 400 450
Seats/Departure in 1990, Atlantic pairs
Small Airplanes Not on New Routes
450
400
350
New
Seats
300 Old
250
200
Distance (km)
150
5000 7000 9000 11000
Atlantic Airport Pairs with Service Aug 2000 but not Aug 1995
Big Airports Do Not Mean Big Airplanes
350
300
Seats per Departure
250
200
150
100
50
0
0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400
Jet Departures Per Day
60
HAV
1985-2000
40 Dacca
Change
BKK
Seats/ NGO
Departure 20
Lagos
0
-50% 0% 50% 100% Data
150%
-20 trend line
Kirachi
FUK BOM
Paris
-60 Change in City Population 1985-2000
II. Why Does Growth Add Frequency?
Many expect more demand to lead to bigger airplanes
50%
World, 1993-2003
40%
Top 100 Routes
30%
20%
10%
0%
80%
World, 1993-2003
20%
0%
60%
50%
World, 1993-2003
40%
30% Top 10 Routes >
20% 5000 Km
10%
0%
-10% ASK growth Frequency Airplane 747
-20% growth size growth Departures
-30%
-40%
JFK Gateway Hub Stagnant for 30 Years
1400
5% of US 48
1200
JFK
1000
Departures/Day
800
600
400
200
0
71
73
75
77
79
81
83
85
87
89
91
93
95
97
99
01
03
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
20
20
August Jet Schedules
Seats/Departure
19
0
100
150
200
250
300
50
71
19
73
19
75
30
Herfinadahl Number of Competitors
25
20
15
10
Atlantic
Pacific
5
Asia-Europe
Other Long
0
1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005
Networks Develop Beyond Early Airports
Top
Top10
10Airports’
Airports’Share
Shareof
ofDeparting
DepartingASKs
ASKs
Market
MarketFlow
Flow Share
Share1990
1990 Share
Share2000
2000
Asia-Europe
Asia-Europe 88%
88% 70%
70%
Trans Pacific
Trans Pacific 80%
80% 69%
69%
Atlantic
Atlantic 54%
54% 49%
49%
Congestion Has Not Slowed Route Developments
Congestion is not driving seats per departure up
40%
30%
20%
10%
0%
717 737 757 767/777 747
Airplane Size Category (world fleet, all manufacturers)
Chicago Airplane Sizes Do Not Show Congestion
170
160
150
Seats/Departure
140
130
120
110
100
77
79
81
83
85
87
89
91
97
99
01
03
71
73
75
93
95
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
19
20
20
August Jet Schedules
Congestion is Not Driving 747 Shares UP
80%
NRT
70%
HKG
747 Share of Departures
HND
60%
JFK
50% PEK
LHR
40% AMS
CDG
30%
FRA
20% LGW
LAX
10% SFO
ORD
0%
Nonstop
10%
8%
6%
4%
2%
0%
+
5
0
00
00
00
00
25
60
<5
<2
00
2.
.2
<2
<1
<4
<8
.1
<6
<1
<1
16
<3
16%
14%
Share of World RPKs
12%
Connecting Markets
10%
8%
6%
4%
Nonstop Markets
2%
0%
80%
70%
60%
50%
40%
30%
20%
10%
0%
00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 0 0 00
3 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 00 10 20
1 1 1
St. Mi. Range Block (excludes US domestic O&Ds)
Half the Trips are Connecting
400000 3+legs
350000 2-legs
300000 Nonstops
ASMs (000/day)
250000
200000
150000
100000
50000
0
70%
60%
50%
Onboard
40%
30%
20%
10%
0%
0 2000 4000 6000 8000 10000
Flight Distance (Km)
Long-Haul Flights are from Hubs,
and carry mostly connecting traffic
100%
90%
Point-to-Point Markets
80%
Local % of Onboard Load
70%
60%
50%
40% Trend
30%
20%
10%
0%
100 150 200 250 300 350 400 450 500
Markets over 5000km Seats per Departure
Hub Concepts
• Hub city should be a major regional center
– Connect-only hubs have not succeeded
– Early hubs are centers of regional commerce
• Early Gateway Hubs get Bypassed
– Early International hubs form at coastlines
– Interior hubs have regional cities on 2 sides
• Later hubs duplicate and compete with early hubs
– Many of the same cities served
– Which medium cities become hubs is arbitrary
– Often better-run airport or airline determines success
– Also the hub that starts first stays ahead
Three Kinds of Hubs
• International hubs driven by long-haul
– Gateway cities
– Many European hubs: CDG, LHR, AMS, FRA
– Some evolving interior hubs, such as Chicago
– Typically one bank of connections per day
• Regional hubs connecting smaller cities
– Most US hubs, with at least 3 banks per day
– Some European hubs, with 1 or 2 banks per day
• High-Density hubs without banking
– Continuous connections from continuous arrivals and departures
– American Airlines at Chicago and Dallas
– Southwest at many of its focus cities
Regional and Gateway Hubs in US
JFK
ORD
SFO
DEN
LAX ATL
DFW
MIA
Secondary Hubs in US
SEA
MSP
DTW PIT JFK
SLC ORD
SFO EWR
DEN STL CVG
IAH
MIA
Minot, N. D., USA, is served over one Hub
airport Destination Dist (km) Passengers fare
MSP MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL-INTL 724 23.9 $ 191
PHX PHOENIX, ARIZONA, USA-INTL 1879 8.7 $ 215
LAS LAS VEGAS, NEVADA, USA-MCCARRA 1771 5.6 $ 213
DFW DALLAS/FT. WORTH, TEXA-INTL 1747 5.0 $ 241
SEA SEATTLE/TACOMA, WASHIN-SEA/TAC 1574 4.9 $ 209
DCA WASHINGTON, DC, USA-NATIONAL 2211 4.8 $ 309
DEN DENVER, COLORADO, USA-INTL 974 4.7 $ 197
MCO ORLANDO, FLORIDA, USA-INTL 2797 4.5 $ 226
LAX LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNI-INTL 2139 3.7 $ 220
SAT SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, USA 2097 3.6 $ 331
ANC ANCHORAGE, ALASKA, USA 3360 3.0 $ 245
ORD CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, USA-O'HARE 1263 2.9 $ 225
ATL ATLANTA, GEORGIA, USA 2152 2.7 $ 255
SFO SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, USA 2082 2.7 $ 219
EKO ELKO, NEVADA, USA 1418 2.6 $ 48
IAH HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA-INTERCONT 2097 2.6 $ 290
LGA NEW YORK LA GUARDIA 2323 2.6 $ 228
Rest of World (117 more Cities) 2022 91 $ 240
TOTAL/avg 1818 177 $ 230
Minot Feeds to Minneapolis Hub
MOT
MSP
18:00 Bank Gives Minot 38 Destinations
Inbound Bank Outbound Bank
Origin Depart Hub Origin Depart Hub Hub Arrive Destin' Hub Arrive Destin'
city time time city time time ==> time time city time time city
ONT 1200 1727 DLH 1655 1748 1848 2116 MBS
BOS 1505 1728 SAN 1210 1748 1849 2136 CMH
SNA 1200 1728 IND 1604 1749 1850 2227 HPN
PSP 1210 1729 TUL 1550 1750 1850 2130 AZO
PDX 1210 1729 DTW 1700 1753 ==> 1835 2030 MEM 1850 2130 AZO
MSO 1355 1730 GRB 1641 1755 ==> 1836 1932 FAR 1850 2215 TYS
CWA 1630 1731 MKE 1635 1756 ==> 1837 2159 IAD 1850 900 LGW
GFK 1620 1731 SJC 1215 1756 ==> 1838 2159 RDU 1851 2142 DTW
RST 1650 1732 RAP 1530 1757 ==> 1839 2209 PVD 1852 2128 FNT
SMF 1205 1732 DTW 1705 1759 ==> 1839 2214 GSO 1853 2217 BWI
ORD 1600 1734 DSM 1650 1759 ==> 1840 2207 BDL 1854 2246 BOS
DFW 1510 1735 MSN 1645 1800 ==> 1841 2108 GRR 1855 2255 ORF
YEG 1355 1735 MOT 1635 1800 ==> 1842 2139 BUF 1855 2008 MLI
YYC 1357 1735 SFO 1220 1800 ==> 1843 2104 OKC 1855 2124 LAN
ABQ 1405 1739 BOI 1415 1804 ==> 1844 2210 ATL 1856 2126 DFW
LNK 1615 1740 GEG 1312 1804 ==> 1845 2159 ROC 1857 2158 YYZ
DCA 1559 1741 ATL 1620 1805 ==> 1845 2022 SBN 1858 2007 GRB
STL 1600 1742 MDW 1635 1809 ==> 1845 2134 DAY 1859 2002 OMA
LAX 1215 1744 CVG 1655 1809 ==> 1846 2208 CLT 1900 2200 PIT
YWG 1618 1744 CWA 1715 1815 ==> 1847 2208 DCA 1900 2027 ORD
BIS 1630 1747 1847 2253 TPA 1901 2030 MCI
Minot Connects to the World
Value Created by Hubs
$400
$300
$200
Good Balance
$100
Add Frequency
$-
0 50 100 150 200 250
Seats
Hubs Give Competitive Advantages
• Less peaking of demands, as variations in
different markets average out
• Dominate feeder legs
– Connect loads allow dominant frequency
– Connect loads avoid small, expensive airplanes
– Feeder cities can be “owned”
• Dominant airline will get 15% market share advantage
• Dominant airline can control sales channels
• Control of feeder cities makes airline attractive to alliances
Hubs Compete with Other Hubs
• Compete on quality of connection
– Does the airport “work?”
• Short connecting times
• Reasonable walking distances
• Reliable baggage handling
• Few delayed flights
• Recovery from weather disruptions
• Later flights for when something goes wrong
Hubs Develop Pricing Mixes
• Higher fares in captive feeder markets
• Low discount fares in selected connecting
markets to fill up empty seats
– Low connecting fares compete against
nonstops
– Select low fare markets against competition
– It pays to discount and fill
• Unless you discount your own high-fare markets
Hubs Win
• The dominant form of airline networks is hubs
and connections
• This is because networks are “thin”
– Meaning only a few, larger city pairs are nonstop
• As networks grow, secondary hubs develop
– Competing with early hubs
• Hubs dominate because they create good travel
– Save time over un-coordinated connections
– Avoid the use of small, expensive airplane sizes
Why Hubs Work
$260
$240
$220
Average Fare
$200
$180
$160
HCCs Alone
$140
Linear (HCCs Alone)
$120
$100
0 500 1000 1500 2000 2500
US Domestic 2q04 Data City-Pair Distance (Mi.)
Low-Cost Carriers’ (LCCs) Fares
are Linear With Distance
$200
$190 LCC Fares
$180 Linear (LCC Fares)
$170
Average Fare
$160
$150
$140
$130
$120
$110
$100
0 500 1000 1500 2000 2500
US Domestic 2q04 Data City-Pair Distance (Mi.)
Hub Cost Carriers’ (HCCs) Fares
Match Low-Cost (LCC) Competition
HCCs Alone
$260 HCCs with LCCs
$240 LCC Fares
Linear (HCCs Alone)
$220 Linear (HCCs with LCCs)
Linear (LCC Fares)
Average Fare
$200
$180
$160
$140
$120
$100
0 500 1000 1500 2000 2500
US Domestic 2q04 Data City-Pair Distance (Mi.)
HCC Fares Decline with Market Size
$220
Average Fare 2q04 (adjusted to 1100mi)
Connecting
$200
$180
HCCs without LCCs
$160
$140
$120
HCC fare Trend= $196 - 2.26 * Ln(Pax)
$100
1 3 5 7 9 13 20 30 41 61 86 122 172 281 479
Market Size, Log Scale
LCC Fares Decline with Market Size
$180
Average Fare 2q04 (adjusted to 1100mi)
Connecting
$170
$160
$140
$130
$120
$110
LCC Trend = $178 + 11 * Ln(Pax)
$100
1 3 5 7 9 13 20 30 41 61 86 122 172 281 479
Market Size, Log Scale
Fares Decline with Market Size
$220
Average Fare 2q04 (adjusted to 1100mi)
Connecting
$200
$180
$160
$140
$100
1 3 5 7 9 13 20 30 41 61 86
Market Size, Log Scale
HCC Fares are Slightly Higher Than
LCC Fares, adjusted for Market Size
$220
Average Fare 2q04 (adjusted to 1100mi)
Connecting
$200
$180
$160
$140
$100
1 3 5 7 9 13 20 30 41 61 86 122 172 281 479
Market Size, Log Scale
The Real Difference is
Hubs Serve Many more Small Markets
• US HCCs have “given up” local markets
– Nonstop markets to hub city
– Used to gain premium revenues
– Now required to match LCCs
– Revenues no longer cover union labor costs
– HCCs have given up most traffic to LCCs
• Hubs serve connecting markets
– Share of HCC revenues in small markets high
– Share of LCC revenues in small markets low
– Fares in small markets higher
– More small market revenues mean higher HCC fares
Hubs Emphasize Smaller Markets
18%
Share of Carrier Total Revenues
Connections
16%
14%
12%
HCCs
10%
LCCs
8%
6%
4%
2%
0%
1 3 5 7 9 13 20 30 41 61 86 122 172 281 479
30%
of All Markets in Size Group
Connections
25%
20%
15%
10%
5%
0%
9
54
1
9
13
20
30
41
86
61
12
17
47
28
14
O-D City Pair Market Size (log scale)
HCCs Raise Average Fare
By Emphasizing Connecting Markets
60% Connections
Cumulative Revenues
50%
HCCs
40%
LCCs
30%
20%
10%
0%
1 3 5 7 9 13 20 30 41 61 86 122 172 281 479
O-D City Pair Market Size (log scale)
Hubs Make Travel Possible
• Hubs exist to serve small markets
• For US domestic network
– 25% of revenues are from small markets
– Over 30% of HCC revenues
– Under 10% of LCC revenues
• International “small markets” add to this
• US has higher share nonstop than world
Economics of “Small Markets”
• Half of world-wide loads are connecting
• Small cities have small markets
• Small Markets pay more
• Value is there
– Small cities have lower living costs
• Lower housing costs
• Higher air travel costs
– Air Travel connects small cities to trade
Fares are Linear With Distance
Data Troll
Story Teller
Economist
Minot, N. Dakota, USA, is served over one
Hub
airport Destination Dist (km) Passengers fare
MSP MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL-INTL 724 23.9 $ 191
PHX PHOENIX, ARIZONA, USA-INTL 1879 8.7 $ 215
LAS LAS VEGAS, NEVADA, USA-MCCARRA 1771 5.6 $ 213
DFW DALLAS/FT. WORTH, TEXA-INTL 1747 5.0 $ 241
SEA SEATTLE/TACOMA, WASHIN-SEA/TAC 1574 4.9 $ 209
DCA WASHINGTON, DC, USA-NATIONAL 2211 4.8 $ 309
DEN DENVER, COLORADO, USA-INTL 974 4.7 $ 197
MCO ORLANDO, FLORIDA, USA-INTL 2797 4.5 $ 226
LAX LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNI-INTL 2139 3.7 $ 220
SAT SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, USA 2097 3.6 $ 331
ANC ANCHORAGE, ALASKA, USA 3360 3.0 $ 245
ORD CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, USA-O'HARE 1263 2.9 $ 225
ATL ATLANTA, GEORGIA, USA 2152 2.7 $ 255
SFO SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, USA 2082 2.7 $ 219
EKO ELKO, NEVADA, USA 1418 2.6 $ 48
IAH HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA-INTERCONT 2097 2.6 $ 290
LGA NEW YORK LA GUARDIA 2323 2.6 $ 228
Rest of World (117 more Cities) 2022 91 $ 240
TOTAL/avg 1818 177 $ 230
Minot Feeds to Minneapolis Hub
MOT
MSP
18:00 Bank Gives Minot 38 Destinations
Inbound Bank Outbound Bank
Origin Depart Hub Origin Depart Hub Hub Arrive Destin' Hub Arrive Destin'
city time time city time time ==> time time city time time city
ONT 1200 1727 DLH 1655 1748 1848 2116 MBS
BOS 1505 1728 SAN 1210 1748 1849 2136 CMH
SNA 1200 1728 IND 1604 1749 1850 2227 HPN
PSP 1210 1729 TUL 1550 1750 1850 2130 AZO
PDX 1210 1729 DTW 1700 1753 ==> 1835 2030 MEM 1850 2130 AZO
MSO 1355 1730 GRB 1641 1755 ==> 1836 1932 FAR 1850 2215 TYS
CWA 1630 1731 MKE 1635 1756 ==> 1837 2159 IAD 1850 900 LGW
GFK 1620 1731 SJC 1215 1756 ==> 1838 2159 RDU 1851 2142 DTW
RST 1650 1732 RAP 1530 1757 ==> 1839 2209 PVD 1852 2128 FNT
SMF 1205 1732 DTW 1705 1759 ==> 1839 2214 GSO 1853 2217 BWI
ORD 1600 1734 DSM 1650 1759 ==> 1840 2207 BDL 1854 2246 BOS
DFW 1510 1735 MSN 1645 1800 ==> 1841 2108 GRR 1855 2255 ORF
YEG 1355 1735 MOT 1635 1800 ==> 1842 2139 BUF 1855 2008 MLI
YYC 1357 1735 SFO 1220 1800 ==> 1843 2104 OKC 1855 2124 LAN
ABQ 1405 1739 BOI 1415 1804 ==> 1844 2210 ATL 1856 2126 DFW
LNK 1615 1740 GEG 1312 1804 ==> 1845 2159 ROC 1857 2158 YYZ
DCA 1559 1741 ATL 1620 1805 ==> 1845 2022 SBN 1858 2007 GRB
STL 1600 1742 MDW 1635 1809 ==> 1845 2134 DAY 1859 2002 OMA
LAX 1215 1744 CVG 1655 1809 ==> 1846 2208 CLT 1900 2200 PIT
YWG 1618 1744 CWA 1715 1815 ==> 1847 2208 DCA 1900 2027 ORD
BIS 1630 1747 1847 2253 TPA 1901 2030 MCI
Minot Connects to the World
Most Markets are Small
16%
14%
Too Small For
12%
Share of RPKs
Nonstop
10%
8%
6%
4%
2%
0%
+
5
0
00
00
00
00
25
60
<5
<2
00
2.
.2
<2
<1
<4
<8
.1
<6
<1
<1
16
<3
16%
14%
Share of World RPKs
12%
Connecting Markets
10%
8%
6%
4%
2% Nonstop Markets
0%
80%
70%
60%
50%
40%
30%
20%
10%
0%
00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 0 0 00
3 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 00 10 20
1 1 1
St. Mi. Range Block (excludes US domestic O&Ds)
Half the Trips are Connecting
400000 3+legs
350000 2-legs
300000 Nonstops
ASMs (000/day)
250000
200000
150000
100000
50000
0
70%
60%
50%
Onboard
40%
30%
20%
10%
0%
0 2000 4000 6000 8000 10000
Flight Distance (Km)
Long-Haul Flights are from Hubs,
and carry mostly connecting traffic
100%
90%
Point-to-Point Markets
80%
Local % of Onboard Load
70%
60%
50%
40% Trend
30%
20%
10%
0%
100 150 200 250 300 350 400 450 500
Markets over 5000km Seats per Departure
Hub Concepts
• Hub city should be a major regional center
– Connect-only hubs have not succeeded
– Early hubs are centers of regional commerce
• Early Gateway Hubs get Bypassed
– Early International hubs form at coastlines
– Interior hubs have regional cities on 2 sides
• Later hubs duplicate and compete with early hubs
– Many of the same cities served
– Which medium cities become hubs is arbitrary
– Often better-run airport or airline determines success
– Also the hub that starts first stays ahead
Regional and Gateway Hubs in US
JFK
ORD
SFO
DEN
LAX ATL
DFW
MIA
Three Kinds of Hubs
• International hubs driven by long-haul
– Gateway cities
– Many European hubs: CDG, LHR, AMS, FRA
– Some evolving interior hubs, such as Chicago
– Typically one bank of connections per day
• Regional hubs connecting smaller cities
– Most US hubs, with at least 3 banks per day
– Some European hubs, with 1 or 2 banks per day
• High-Density hubs without banking
– Continuous connections from continuous arrivals and departures
– American Airlines at Chicago and Dallas
– Southwest at many of its focus cities
Secondary Hubs in US
SEA
MSP
DTW PIT JFK
SLC ORD
SFO EWR
DEN STL CVG
IAH
MIA
Value Created by Hubs
$400
$300
$200
Good Balance
$100
Add Frequency
$-
0 50 100 150 200 250
Seats
Hubs Give Competitive Advantages
• Less peaking of demands, as variations in
different markets average out
• Dominate feeder legs
– Connect loads allow dominant frequency
– Connect loads avoid small, expensive airplanes
– Feeder cities can be “owned”
• Dominant airline will get 15% market share advantage
• Dominant airline can control sales channels
• Control of feeder cities makes airline attractive to alliances
Hubs Compete with Other Hubs
• Compete on quality of connection
– Does the airport “work?”
• Short connecting times
• Reasonable walking distances
• Reliable baggage handling
• Few delayed flights
• Recovery from weather disruptions
• Later flights for when something goes wrong
Hubs Develop Pricing Mixes
• Higher fares in captive feeder markets
• Low discount fares in selected connecting
markets to fill up empty seats
– Low connecting fares compete against
nonstops
– Select low fare markets against competition
– It pays to discount and fill
• Unless you discount your own high-fare markets