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Dallas Meeting
Tuesday, 20 March 2011, 1:30 PM to 6:00 PM, Meeting Room Moreno B
DRAFT MINUTES
5. Old Business: Please see the following Table for the agenda for the bulk of today’s meeting. Note that
the experiment allotting times for individual segments of the agenda failed miserably!
Item Description Responsible
5.1 General update from Steering Committee meeting Terry
The schedule for completing the code and commentary was discussed. It looks like we are back to looking at a 2014 document with
minimal new business items included. Sub A will work to include the most critical changes to our chapters.
1. CA 026 ballot results were reviewed and minor changes were made. The final version was approved by Sub A by a vote of 12
affirmative and 1 not present.
2. CA026 was presented on the floor of the 318 meeting on Wednesday. All negatives were either withdrawn or found non
persuasive. There were additional changes made on the floor. CA 026 was approved by 318. A copy of this item, as approved by
318, is attached. The final responses as approved by 318 are also attached.
3. The changes resulting from CA 026 were incorporated into Chapter 22, and this chapter with commentary is on the 6 April 318 LB.
5.3a Chapter 5, Resolution of negatives and significant comments from Sub A ballot on Commentary Tony
1. The proposed responses to the ballot on the commentary of Chapter 5 were discussed. Changes were made to satisfy the
subcommittee. The final version was approved by Sub A by a vote of 12 affirmative and 1 not present. A copy of the final approved
responses is attached. Note that a number of new business items were developed during this review.
2. The responses have been incorporated into the chapter. The current target is to have Chapter 5 with commentary on the 6 May 318
LB.
5.4a Chapter 22, Resolution of negatives and significant comments from Sub A ballot on Commentary Nick
1. The proposed responses to the ballot on the commentary of Chapter 22 were discussed. Changes were made to satisfy the
subcommittee. The final version was approved by Sub A by a vote of 10 affirmative and 3 not present. A copy of the final approved
responses is attached.
2. The responses have been incorporated into the chapter. Chapter 22 with commentary is on the 6 April 318 LB.
5.4b Chapter 22, Recommendations for top 3 new business items Nick
1. The overall organization of Chapter 23, as approved by Sub A in Denver, was accepted by the Steering Committee.
2. Subs B and G agreed to take responsibility for their respective sections of the chapter. They will also look at t he section on
embedments to determine who should be responsible for this material.
3. It was agreed to keep a separate section on submittals as a part of the chapter.
4. All subs agreed to look at the “orphans” at the end of the chapter to determine where they should be located in the code.
5. Since the meeting, a copy of Chapter 23 as balloted by Sub A was sent to all of the subs. Additionally, the Sub A ballot comments
were provided for use by the other subs.
6. A target date of the May 318 LB was established for a 318 ballot on this chapter.
5.6 Chapter 23, Resolution of negatives and significant comments from Sub A ballot on Commentary Colin
Not discussed because of a lack of time. Further actions on this item will be handled electronically.
The Task Group will be Kosmatka, Weiss, and Barth. Jason will be the chair. ASTM C 1600 will be made available to the
subcommittee for review. The goal of the task group is to make a recommendation s to whether C1600 should be added to the Code.
If the recommendation is to add this standard, are there any restrictions that need to be added?
5.9. Summary of all CA items. An updated list of all CA items was sent out after the Cincinnati meeting.
This list showed 17 active items. Many of these active items have been referred to the Chapter 5 and
Chapter 22 Task Groups to be included in the list of potential new business.
An updated list after the Dallas meeting is attached. There are currently 17 open items.
5.10.1 Task Groups for Code Reorganization. Following are the current Task Groups. Note changes
below to reflect that the work on the original Chapter 23 has been completed.
Chapter 5, Material Properties and Durability. Tony, CH, Fred, Doug, Jason
Chapter 22, Concrete Materials and Quality Assurance, Nick, CH, Ken B., Brian
Chapter 23, Construction Documents. Colin, CH, Steve, Ken H., Harry, Florian, Dean
The following items will not be discussed during the Dallas meeting.
5.11. Use of 4 x 8 inch cylinders. Rachel Detwiler sent Sub A a copy of a paper that she has prepared.
Mike Bartlett has also provided comments on this paper. Colin Lobo also provided additional information
on this topic. The committee agreed that we would like to see data from additional labs before making any
changes to the requirement for testing three 4 x 8 in. cylinders. Harry Gleich reported that the precast
industry has converted to testing only two cylinders. Colin Lobo will forward additional test data. The
committee agreed to reopen this item. Steve Kosmatka and Colin Lobo were appointed to summarize
current data and to prepare a new b allot item for consideration. This item is assigned CA 105. Steve and
Colin will update references in CA 105 and send for a Sub A ballot. Status?
5.12. Performance specifications and implications for 318. Topic remains open for possible action during
this code cycle.
5.13. Adding alkali-silica reactivity (ASR) to the Code. Of all of the major durability issues with concrete,
only ASR is not addressed in the Code. After discussion, a Task Group of Folliard, Hooton, and Fiorato
was formed to review this issue and make a recommendation to the committee during the meeting in New
Orleans. In Chicago, Tony reported that ASTM C09 is preparing a specification for dealing with ASR.
Sub A agreed to put any action on hold until that document is completed. It was agreed that it is still
premature for Sub A to take any action here. This item will remain on the agenda until action is taken.
5.14. Determining Lambda. Carino had the following comment on Sub A Ballot A02-09:
I have some questions about the splitting tensile strength. First, fct is defined as the average
splitting tensile strength, so this is not a function of f'c, but a function of the average compressive
strength of the concrete. So it is not correct to say that fct is 6.7 sqrt(f'c). Second, I'd like an
explanation of how an engineer would determine lambda for the second alternative. The code
language is not clear. I think the fct in the equation should be measured average splitting tensile
strength. Maybe Fred or Ken can explain to us how the equation in 8.6.1 is supposed to be used to
choose lambda.
This issue is being addressed as a CA items that will be sent out with the ballot on Chapter 5 commentary.
The ballot item will clean up the method of calculating lambda. Further work remains on lambda versus
unit weight issues. Also, the question of whether the method of calculating lambda is actually used by
designers has bee raised as new business.
5.15. Sulfate resistance: The following email was sent to Cathy French. Colin Lobo responded as shown.
I hope your sabbatical is going well. I had a question for you when
> you have a minute. On our wind farm projects in some parts of the
> country we are running into situations where we have severe sulfate
> exposures and it seems that I am continually at odds with local
> concrete suppliers over the interpretation of the sulfate resistance
> portions of chapter 4 of ACI 318. Is this one of your fields of
> expertise or can you recommend someone I could talk to so I can make
> sure I am doing the right thing?
>
>
>
> The issue that I keep running into is that, the way I read section
> 4.3, for severe sulfate exposures, type V cement is required. Type I
> or II cement with the addition of class F fly ash can be used if the
> mixture meets the requirements of section 4.5 when tested according to
> ASTM C1012. The problem is that the test takes 6 months or a year to
> run and I have yet to run into a concrete supplier who has run it on
> any of their mixes. The suppliers that I talk to want to offer me a
> test result from ASTM C452 but I have found multiple references in the
> literature to the fact that this test is not accurate for mixes
> containing cement blended with pozzolans. I have continued to insist
> that the C1012 test be run if anything is to be substituted for the
> type V cement but I seem to be the only engineer that these suppliers
> are running into that is requiring them to do this.
Colin Lobo:
I will attempt a response. The sulfate provisions in the code are not
ideal for compliance in practice.
In the footnote to table 4.3.1 "The amount of the specific source of the
pozzolan or slag to be used shall not be less than the amount that has
been determined by service record..."
This note permits the LDP to use customary practice on mix composition
in lieu of test. It is realized the test duration is too long for mix
submittals. It is unlikely that concrete suppliers will have C1012 data.
It is more likely that blended cements by C595 or C1157 will have data
in their certifications, but S3 requires additional SCM.
In CA for instance the use of 25% fly ash in addition to a sulfate
resistant cement has been considered adequate for severe sulfate
conditions. I think it is accepted by CALTRANS. I am not sure of the
area of your projects, but slag as an SCM might be an option too. Slag
has been entering the CA market more recently and these suppliers (as
with the fly ash people) might have C1012 data but it wont be with the
specific cement for the project. What is important in the cement would be
the C3A used in the test relative to that used on the project. If that
on the project is equal to or less than that used in the test, it should
be OK.
ASTM C 452 is not an appropriate test - it is an optional test to
qualify Portland cements for sulfate resistance only.
You might consult with Eric Tolles who is a code official for the city
of Irvine in CA (if that's where you are operating). Eric is on 318 and
aware of these provisions.
Does Sub A need to take action here? This item was not discussed in New Orleans, Chicago, Pittsburgh,
Tampa, or Denver because of a lack of time. Status?
6. New Business:
Note that the following new business items are listed by title only because we will probably not have time
to address them. If time is available or if a topic is of interest to a member, we will address these items.
6.5. Various new work items resulting from review of Version 1 of the reorganized Code.
These items are being incorporated into the possible new work lists as chapters are adopted.
6.8. Request to add ASTM C 1600 Rapid hardening Hydraulic Cements to the Code.
See item 5.8 above. A task group has been formed to look into this issue.
Note: Other than as indicated, these items have been addressed to date because of lack of time.
7. Adjourn
SUMMARY OF SUB A ITEMS -- AFTER DALLAS MEETING
Total Sub A items 48
Last CA Number Assigned CA 114
ACTIVE ITEMS
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49 This provision has been modified over the years and is still present in ACI 318-11.
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51 5.4.1 — If data required by 5.3 are not available, concrete proportions shall be
52 based upon other experience or information, if approved by the licensed design
53 professional.
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55 The Code lacks a requirement on what is supposed to be done with the mixture
56 proportioning documentation that is required to be developed. The proposed change
57 requires that this information be submitted to the LDP for review. This review is deemed
58 essential to ensure that the requirements, both for strength and durability, are met by the
59 proposed concrete mixture. However, nothing in this change proposal alters the
60 requirement that the concrete producer is ultimately responsible to provide concrete
61 meeting the acceptance criteria of 22.5.
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63
64 Suggested Revisions to ACI 318-XX:
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66 NOTE: The following section 22.4 is taken from the Approved Version of Chapter 22
67 (dated 11-07-28) as posted on the Reorganization web site.
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69 CODE and COMMENTARY (Note that Commentary follows Code sections)
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71 22.4 — Proportioning of concrete mixtures
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73 R22.4 – Proportioning of concrete mixtures
74 The 2014 edition of the Code does not include the statistical requirements for
75 proportioning concrete that were in previous editions. The Committee believes that this
76 information does not belong in the Code because it is not a responsibility of the licensed
77 design professional to proportion concrete mixtures. Further, this information is
78 available in other ACI documents, such as ACI 301 and ACI 214R. Finally, the quality
79 control procedures of some concrete producers allow meeting the acceptance criteria of
80 the Code without following the exact process that has been included in previous editions
81 of the Code.
82
83 22.4.1 — Selection of concrete proportions
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85 22.4.1.1 — Proportions of materials for concrete shall be established so that the
86 concrete is in accordance with (a), (b), and (c): <5.2.1> Concrete mixture
87 proportions shall be established so that the concrete satisfies (a) through (c):
88 (a) Provides workability and consistency to permit concrete to be worked
89 readily into forms and around reinforcement under conditions of placement to
90 be used, without segregation or excessive bleeding;
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91 (a) Can be placed readily without segregation into forms and around
92 reinforcement under placement conditions to be used;
93 (b) Meets requirements for applicable assigned exposure classes of Chapter
94 5;
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136 22.4.1.3 4 — If different materials concrete mixtures are to be used for different
137 portions of proposed Work, each combination mixture shall comply with 22.4.1.1.
138 <5.2.2>
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140
141 R22.4.1.4—If more than one concrete mixture is used for the project, each mixture is
142 required to satisfy Code requirements. A change in concrete constituents, such as sources
143 or types of cementitious materials, aggregates, or admixtures, is considered a different
144 mixture. A minor change in mixture proportions made in response to field conditions is
145 not considered a new mixture.
146
147 22.4.1.4 — Once f′c has been determined based on strength requirements or
148 durability, concrete mixture proportions for the required average compressive
149 strength, f'cr, shall be established in accordance with 22.4.2 or 22.4.3. <5.2.3>
150
151 22.4.1.5 — Requirements Verification that the requirements for f′c are satisfied
152 shall be based on tests results of cylinders made, cured, and tested as
153 prescribed in 22.5.3.
154 <5.1.2>
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156 22.4.2 — Establishing f'cr based on field experience Delete this entire section
157
158 22.4.2.1 — Sample standard deviation
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160 22.4.2.1.1 — If a concrete production facility has strength test records less than 12
161 months old, a sample standard deviation, ss, shall be established for determination of f'cr.
162 Test records from which ss is calculated shall be in accordance with (a) through (c):
163 <5.3.1.1>
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165 (a) Represent materials, quality control procedures, and conditions similar to
166 those expected; and changes in materials and proportions within the test records
167 shall not have been more restrictive than those for proposed Work;
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169 (b) Represent concrete produced to meet a specified compressive strength or
170 strengths within 1000 psi of f′c;
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172 (c) Consist of at least 30 consecutive tests or two groups of consecutive tests
173 totaling at least 30 tests as defined in 22.5.1.1, except as provided in 22.4.2.1.2.
174
175 22.4.2.1.2 — If a concrete production facility does not have strength test records meeting
176 requirements of 22.4.2.1.1(c), but does have test records less than 12 months old based on
177 15 to 29 consecutive tests, ss shall be established as the product of the standard deviation
178 calculated from the smaller number of tests and the corresponding modification factor of
179 Table 22.4.2.1.2. To be acceptable, test records shall meet requirements (a) and (b) of
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180 22.4.2.1.1, and represent only a single record of consecutive tests that span a period of at
181 least 45 calendar days. <5.3.1.2> <Table 5.3.1.2>
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183 Table 22.4.2.1.2 — Modification factor for sample
184 standard deviation if fewer than 30 tests
185 are available
Modification factor
No. of tests*
15 1.16
20 1.08
25 1.03
≥30 1.00
*Interpolate for intermediate numbers of tests.
186
187 22.4.2.2 — Required average strength
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189 22.4.2.2.1 — Required average compressive strength, f′cr,used as the basis for selection
190 of concrete proportions shall be determined from Table 22.4.2.2.1 using the sample
191 standard deviation, ss, calculated in accordance with 22.4.2.1. <5.3.2.1> <Table 5.3.2.1>
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193
194 Table 22.4.2.2.1 — Required average compressive strength if
195 data are available to establish a sample standard deviation
f′c, psi fcr′, psi
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247 (e) The compressive strength results, at designated test age, from the trial
248 mixtures shall be used to establish the composition of the concrete mixture proposed for
249 the Work.
250
251 22.4.5 — Proportioning without field experience or trial mixtures Delete this entire
252 section
253
254 22.4.5.1 — If data required by 22.4.2 are not available, and if f'c is not greater than 5,000
255 psi, concrete proportions shall be based on other experience or information, if approved
256 by the Licensed Design Professional. The required average compressive strength, fcr′, of
257 concrete produced with materials similar to those proposed for use shall be at least 1200
258 psi greater than f′c. <5.4.1>
259
260 22.4.6 — Reduction in required average compressive strength Delete this entire
261 section
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264 22.4.6.1 — As data become available during construction, it shall be permitted to reduce
265 the amount by which the required average concrete strength f′cr must exceed f′c, provided
266 the durability requirements of 5.3 are met and (a) or (b) are satisfied. <5.5>
267
268 (a) Thirty or more test results are available and average of test results exceeds that
269 required by 22.4.2.2.1, using a sample standard deviation, ss, calculated in
270 accordance with 22.4.2.1.1;
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272 (b) Fifteen to 29 test results are available and average of test results exceeds that
273 required by 22.4.2.2.1 using ss calculated in accordance with 22.4.2.1.2;
274
275 22.4.2 – Documentation of concrete mixture performance characteristics
285 R22.4.2.1 – Review of the proposed concrete mixture is necessary to ensure that it is
286 appropriate for the project and meets all of the requirements as established by the
287 licensed design professional for strength and durability. The licensed design professional
288 typically reviews the documentation on a proposed concrete mixture to evaluate the
289 likelihood that the concrete will meet the acceptance requirements of 22.5 and includes
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290 acceptable materials. The statistical principles discussed in ACI 214R can be useful in
291 evaluating the likelihood that a proposed mixture will meet the requirements of 22.5.
292
293 22.4.5.1 2.2 – If field or laboratory data required by 22.4.2 are not available, and
294 f’c is not greater than 5,000 psi, concrete proportions shall be based on other
295 experience or information, if approved by the licensed design professional. If f’c
296 exceeds 5,000 psi, test data documenting the characteristics of the proposed
297 mixtures are required. The required average compressive strength, fcr′, of
298 concrete produced with materials similar to those proposed for use shall be at
299 least 1200 psi greater than f′c. <based on 5.4.1>
300 Note: This provision requiring the LDP to review the concrete mixture under the
301 cited circumstances has been in the Code since at least 318-89.
302 R22.4.2.2— If f'c is not greater than 5000 psi and test data are not available, concrete
303 mixture proportions should be established to produce a sufficiently high average strength
304 such that the likelihood that the concrete would not meet the strength acceptance criteria
305 would be an acceptably low probability. Guidance on an appropriate average strength is
306 provided in ACI 214R. The purpose of this provision is to allow work to continue when
307 there is an unexpected interruption in concrete supply and there is not sufficient time for
308 testing and evaluation or for a small project where the cost of trial mixture data is not
309 justified.
310
316 R22.4.2.3 — Often, at the beginning of a project, concrete mixtures will be proportioned
317 conservatively to ensure passing acceptance criteria. As test data showing actual
318 variability become available, it may be appropriate to proportion the mixture to be less
319 conservative. See ACI 214 R22.8 for guidance.
320 22.5 – Evaluation and acceptance of concrete.
321 Note: This section and remainder of chapter are unchanged by this proposal.
322 Section 22.5.3 is provided for reference only.
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Issued: February 11, 2012 Due Date: Monday, March 12, 2012
Revised February 13, 2012
NOTE: This version contains FINAL responses as approved during the 318 meeting in Dallas.
Vote:
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Last Name C* Comments
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Becker CA026 0 N I reiterate my previous negative about any requirement that
the LDP has to review a concrete mix before it can be used. I
do not agree with the implication that this has been in 318
since at least 89. The reference to 5.4.1 can (and I believe
should) be interpreted as the LDP allowing a different
procedure. The current language does not require review of
the mix design or review of the documentation for a mix
design. Other than this, I would support the proposal.
Roger is concerned that on small and medium sized projects,
there should not be a requirement for submitting mixture
proportions. He would withdraw his negative if Sub A makes
the requirement to mix submittal as an optional for the LDP to
specify in Chapter 23.
Line 272.
Much discussion on recommended language. Only resolved
by returning to original and finding Roger NP. Found NP,
language remains same as balloted.
French CA026 113 N This sentence needs to be reworded so that the items are
parallel. When you list the examples of exposures rather than
saying “chemicals” – should it be “chemical contact”
“abrasion resistance” isn’t an example of exposure, it is a
quality of the concrete—should it be “abrasive conditions”?
Etc.
OK, make editorial changes. Negative withdrawn based on
changes.
Cook CA026 121 N The “shall be” reference to Part 4 of ACI 310 satisfies my
previous negative since that does give the same statistical
requirements for the concrete as in ACI 318-11 Chapter 5.
French CA026 121 C Should there be a year associated with ACI 310?
Actually ACI 301; year will be added in reference section.
Must not be worded that ACI 301 is adopted as part of this
Code.
French CA026 124 C Should there be a year associated with ACI 310?
Actually ACI 301; year will be added in reference section.
Must not be worded that ACI 301 is adopted as part of this
Code.
Rabbat CA026 124 C Provide on Line 129 the citation for ACI 301 to be listed in
Chapter 3, Referenced Standards.
ACI 301 will be added as a reference for both Code and
Commentary. In Code, must not be worded that ACI 301 is
adopted as part of this Code.
Wyllie CA026 124 N Good start. Add a long paragraph for my LDP who only
reads 318 about the process, experience data, test mixes,
etc, in the order they should be used.
Find NP – Found NP. Code is not a textbook. ACI 301
provides specification language to be used.
Wyllie CA026 130 N The term “Work” is not code language. Sounds like a
government specification. Rather than adding yet another
definition, change this “Work” to “structure” and the “work” on
line 134 to “project”.
Withdrawn upon discussion.
Dolan CA026 134 C As written the clause is not enforceable since it only says the
mixture has to be evaluated. I suggest adding “… in
accordance with 24.4.1.1” to provide an acceptance criterion.
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Suggest the following revision. The strength See response to Barth comment on Line 38 (No.
target of the mix is as proportioned and not as 5)
produced.
6. Lobo 1 2 38 Y/C
The concrete mixture is proportioned to achieve
an average compressive strength in accordance
with 22.4 and 22.5 and will always exceed the
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Holland Change “would” back to “should” as in current Agree. Change “would” to “should”
20. 49 Y/C
code.
I really don't understand how having test results Persuasive. This is current Code wording, but it
higher than the specified strength can result in is not clear. Delete the sentence.
concrete exceeding the w/cm limits. I have no
21. Carino 2 50 N
suggestion, because I don't know what we are
trying to say. Either revise the sentence so the
explanation is clear or delete it.
Holland The sentence starting with “Because” needs See response to Carino negative on Line 50
help. Consider an introductory portion: “If the (No. 21).
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w/cm and f’c do not agree …” I think this is
what the original is trying to say.
Through line 60: I don’t understand why the
23. Gleich 2 55 C w/cm can’t be specified for lightweight New Business
concrete other then the foot note?
2 55 N I think this should be moved to R5.3.2. Section Nonpersuasive. Section 5.2.1 also references
5.2.1 is addressing the selection of specified durability. And this commentary language fits
24. Carino strength. with the discussion of strength and w/cm.
Negative Withdrawn
1 Suggest for consistency with the rest of the No change. Section 5.2.2.1 uses “modulus of
25. Bondy 82 Y/C
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Add commentary to indicate the reason for Nonpersuasive. Such language does not need to
estimating fr. Suggest: The modulus of rupture be located in this section. It does not impact the
33. Lobo 1 3 89 N is used in this Code to estimate immediate equation in 5.2.3.1. If added it should be located
deflection (provide code reference equivalent to where fr is used.
9.5.2.3)
Holland 106 N There is a note in the approved version of this Reinsert Note
chapter regarding 5.2.4.2. This note should be
included Until the issue is resolved. Are we The note states:
considering that the issue raised in the note has “Note: Sub A agrees with the voters for
been resolved by the commentary for 5.4.2? Comments 67 through 74 in 318 LB 10-1
regarding Section 5.2.4.2. A change is being
processed to address these issues. Because this
is a major change, we prefer to propose the
changes using the normal change process
showing proposed changes to the code and
34. commentary and the supporting background
information. In the interim, Subcommittee A
believes that the balloted wording is acceptable
and is an improvement of current provisions in
5.1.4 and 8.6.1 in ACI 318-08. Note that the
balloted wording in 5.2.4.2 does not present any
technical changes. It is simply an editorial
revision to combine the provisions of 5.1.4 and
8.6.1.”
35. Holland 115 N There is commentary at current R5.1.5 that Persuasive. Add the following:
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73. Carino 12 370 N Delete the sentence beginning with "Target Persuasive. Delete the following sentence:
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