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Discussions on Shape and Look

Discussions on Shape and Look

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10/19/2009

 
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rUpa & lOka
Let us compare these two sanskrit words with their corresponding borrowings in Tamil.rUpam = uruvamlOka = ulakamI have heard someone mention earlier that lOka in sanskrit would have been u+la+ka and thatthe initial vowel somehow got after the medial syllable to become la+u+ka and subsequentlylOka.Now I found that this must have happened for rUpam as well... i.e. u+ru+pa becomesru+u+pa = rUpaTamil (and possibly kannada/other dravidian languages) preserve older stages of words thatcould be very helpful in reconstructing Vedic.Anyone knows further such words?20
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) I can't say about "rUpa", but what I do remember is about "lOka". It is speculated that in earlyVedic the word "might" have actually been "ulOka", because it almost always appears in theRgveda in the sequence "u lOka". According to this hypothesis, the reading "u lOka" is a laterreanalysis of earlier "ulOka".Note: The idea is that it was "ulOka", not "ulaka", for which to become "lOka" would beextremely unlikely given what we know about the development of Sanskrit phonology.20
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) But that apart, the general assertion that borrowings (and their retention) in "foreign"languages may help in reconstruction of older phases of a language is totally valid, and wellacknowledged. Pet examples of "standard" text-books would include the Germanic loanwordsin Finnish, for example.20
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Ramakrishnan Oh it was ulOka, thanks. Maybe then the ulOka --> ulaka would have been a process of internalization in Tamil.What about rUpa & uruvam/urupam?
 
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) Well, within the constraints of Old Tamil phonology, the "rUpa" had to add a starting vowel.The choice of the vowel quality was probably influenced by the vowel followed.But, why the "U" of Sanskrit rUpa would become short, I don't quite understand that. Did OldTamil have any rule of prosody by which two consecutive short syllables would be (under somecircumstances) metrically equivalent to one long syllable? I am asking this, because I know itis typologically possible - Old English (and probably other Germanic languages) had this rule,and that could explain the shortening.21
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"Let us compare these two sanskrit words with their corresponding borrowings in Tamil."it is wrong that the so called words were borrowed by Tamil. The Sanskrit language could notexplain logically the root for roopa and loka. The word uruvam is comparable with latin wordform.In tamil, the words uru, uruvam, uruvu were derived from the root "ul"(which means creation,the things having body, figure, formulate)ul->uru,uruvu, uruvamul->uruvu->urubuurubu-> roobam->roopa (skt)The word uruvu is also found in Telugu language.
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-body, shape figure, image, picture. (wiki Tamil)http://www.tamildict.com/tamilsearch.php(-meaning of uru)Tamil English
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உவய
 
உயர
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அகர
,
அகன
monster
உண
;
உகம
globe
றஙக
 
உவ
induce change
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உவம
 
male figure
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வ
,
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எண
figure
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;
உவம
image
உத
unrecognizable
உ
format
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Item
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Scroll lock
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createhttp://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.htmlin Sanskrit, following are the derivation.ruupa = beautiful formruupaM = beautruupamaishvaraM = universal formruupasa.npannau = (two)persons endowed with beautiful appearanceruupasya = form
 
ruupaaNi = formsruupeNa = formruupita* = mfn. formed, represented, exhibited, imagined Kâv. Sarvadfrom the words ruupa and ruupam are to be derived from ruupita. However in Tamil, thewords uruvam, uruvu, urubu are derived from uru (to formulate). In Tamil, the root "uru" is inusage. "Karu uruvanadhu; urukkondaan; uruvetrinaan; and the like, unlike sanksirt so calledroot ruup.22
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for the word Loka, the Sanskrit Pundits give 2 explanation for the origin. 1 is Lochana (to look)and another one is open spaceloka = this world * = m. (connected with {roka}; in the oldest texts {loka} is generallypreceded by {u}, which accord. to the Padap. = the particle 3. {u}; but {u} may be aprefixed vowel and {uloka4}, a collateral dialectic form of {loka}; accord. to others {u-loka}is abridged from {uru-} or {ava-loka}), free or open space, room, place, scope, free motionRV. AV. Br. ÂS'vS'r. (acc. with {kR} or {dA} or {anu-} {nI}, to make room grant freedom "';{loke} with gen. `" instead of "'); intermediate space Kaus'.; a tract, region, district, country,province S'Br.; the wide space or world (either `" the universe "' or, any division of it "', esp.`" the sky or heaven "';uloka explanation for the word loka is surely in accordance with Tamil phonology. The wordloka is derived from Tamil via Telugu.Tamil-Telugu)ugir (nail)--> goruural->rolulikewiseTamil->Telugu->Sanskritulagam-l>okamu->Lokafurtherulagam (Tamil)-> ulogam-> u-loka/loka.from the word ul, sanksrit word uru (which is also tamil word) having the meaning of earthwas derivedul-uru (world)ul-il-iLai (world)(Tamil and Telugu)uru-uruvi(world in Tamil)->urvi(world in Sanskrit)22
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http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/rechercheCologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results1 uru mf(%{vI4})n. (1. %{vR} ; %{UrNu} Un2. i , 32) , wide , broad , spacious , extended ,great , large , much , excessive , excellent RV. AV. MBh. Ragh. ; (%{us}) m. N. of anA1n3girasa A1rshBr. ; of a son of the fourteenth Manu BhP. VP. ; (%{vI}) f. the earth ; see

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