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Job Purpose / A UI experience manager is the bridge between business and consumer. They aim
Summary to reshape the interaction between business and customer. The UI Manager
manages a team of UI leads and developers. The UI Manager identifies the pain
points of the consumer while interacting with the website or other applications
positive experience while carrying out their business. The UI Manager provides
key insights about the needs and desires of the consumers and pushes the
development team to ensure that they work to improve the system so that the
make sure they meet the goals the organization has set and monitor the
technologies.
user experience.
● Define the strategic goals of the UX team, prioritise work processes and
● Create the right work conditions for the UI team so that they can perform
● Approve the design solutions created by the UX`s team, drive the team's
project and assume entire responsibility for the team`s proposed design
solutions.
● Optimize the work flows and propose new methodologies to improve the
consumer satisfaction.
● Up to date with best practices, design principles and tools / techniques and
trends in UI/UX
● Strong analytical skills and should have the ability to develop innovative
domain
development process.
The UI/UX design manager focuses on managing the UI/UX team that is tasked with
designing the products, websites and applications by understanding customers’ needs and
market requirements. Few tools used by the designers are Adobe photoshop, Sketch and
Adobe XD. Sketch and Adobe XD software are used mostly as they are more user friendly.
Most selection interviews are probably still one-on-one and unstructured sequential.
Employers tend to schedule these interviews to make their hiring decision. Selection process
for UI/UX designer is an unstructured sequential interview, each interviewer generally just
asks questions as they come to mind. And rates the candidates on a certain evaluation form,
Most important soft skill required for this job is patience, passion and interest. It is really
important to know the product and this can only happen with continuous learning and field
practice. Patience to redesign the product is critical based on market and product managers
requirement. They coordinate with the product managers to know the requirement, next is
another. In the one-on-one interview most questions are based on past experiences if
team of interviewers who together question each candidate. The knowledge of the
candidate is assessed by the panel based on his / her previous work. In the further
interview process a task / test is conducted to assess the interviewee knowledge and
skills in the field of designing. The interviewers may ask to design a website or
their competencies with the tool that you have used. These softwares vary from
company to company. TCS uses tools like powerpoint, Adobe photoshop in the
screening process. The panel format enables them to ask follow up questions on the
final presentation. A certification in UI/UX designing course can add a plus point in
● Later they combine their ratings of each candidate’s answers into a final panel score.
This may disparity with the one-on-one interview (in which one interviewer meets
one candidate). This may evoke more meaningful responses than a series of one-on-
one interviews.
● In the field of designing interest, passion and patience are the key attributes / core
A typical User Experience Manager Hiring process will consist of the following elements;
a) Initial Interaction meeting with the HR: In this round you will be assessed on your
motivation behind applying for the job role in that particular company, your cultural
fit into the company and the team, your communication skills, certain behavioural
b) Depending on the company, there can be 1 or multiple interview rounds with the
Hiring Manager, who will generally be a person who is currently in the User
Experience role or the person whom the candidate will be reporting to. Here the main
assessment point is whether the candidate’s and the hiring manager’s expectations
Also certain technical concepts like various design techniques, Agile methodologies,
Kanban and Scrum expertise can be tested in this round. Also certain Wireframes,
research methodologies and other technical aspects like cognitive biases, prototypes
Before this round, there can be an assessment sent to the candidates which can include
iii) How does the person deal with any heated arguments or any kind of
iv) Ability to think out of the box, Analytical skills and attention to detail.
The interview for the role of the user experience is different from the regular interviews.
During the interview, mostly a situation is given as in an original product problem is given to
the candidate. The candidate is asked to design the complete end- to- end process of the
complete product, right from decoding the problem, understanding clearly the requirements
of the client which include both the statements which are explicitly stated and also the hidden
requirements of the client, designing the product’s entire user experience with the product
from scratch.
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For a business ready to meet its customer requirements or bring change within its brand
ethos, it is very critical to have the Experience designer on board to ensure that the vision
of the company is brought to the forefront. The Experience manager helps in translating
the brand value through the designs and thus ensure that the customer/business gets the
How this role will contribute to the strategic objective of the organisation
As mentioned the Experience manager helps in translating the vision of the organisation,
understand the value proposition, define the feature/functionality essential for the business
and thus makes it a very crucial role to the strategic objective of the organisation
It is very important for them to be able to ideate and iterate quickly, understand the
demographics, define the value proposition, and maintain the business value through a
robust feedback mechanism and keep in sync with the latest trends and services.
What are the critical areas which this role will contribute ?
What competencies do this role need to bring in order to align with functional
between the capabilities and the expectations is one of the major competencies that this
What knowledge and skills are required in each of the competency to deliver
superior performance ?
In terms of knowledge a certain amount of technical knowledge, what’s happening in the
Skills wise - being competent in building the information architecture, wire framing,
prototyping, visual designs helps in communicating the required ideas and iterate quickly
candidates competency. Additionally, for a more experienced role, past projects and one-
to-one interviews helps in identifying the right fit for the organisation.
What are the roles and responsibilities of an user experience manager in an
organisation?
The roles and responsibility of an UI/UX manager when coming to the management part,
he/she has to manage designers and developers. There are constraints like which designers
can overdo but developers can’t do. As a manager he needs to make sure they work together
in sync. He needs to manage both designers and developers, and they have to actually work
together. So, that's his first priority when it comes to the manager. He needs to make things
special and perfect when it comes to web applications or mobile applications. I have to
manage point guidelines from a current perspective, after managing the team he has to
upgrade with time a design system, which is either already in the place or sometimes he has
to create it if the company doesn’t have so, that is the responsibility as a design manager. He
needs to be perfect in mobile application, manage design systems like design perspective,
content copy to developers, address, update time and design system already in place or create
What are the critical areas in which you have to contribute and what are the prior
To pursue the required skill in the user experience when it comes to the research that I need
to conduct is from the user perspective, asking for the need of finding out the needs of the
people. So, I have to build a product that needs to satisfy the user while catering to the
business needs which can be monetary or any idea. So this is the primary skill that is required
when it comes to UI, I need to create a pixel perfect screen that is another part. Now, as the
UX manager, I need to know how we can manage with the developers, so if designers can
have a great idea that this needs to be done, maybe that is not possible in the current system
when it comes to development, so that is a critical part over there, other critical part if
suppose I need to update our apps or dial system the way we work. We need to see that the
current system still needs to be working while we are upgrading it, so that is another thing
Does this role require any prior experience in design or it is just an add on?
When it comes to UI UX jobs, it is not required, but when it comes to management roles, yes,
it is required. Some prior work experience related to design is really helpful. So I don't
developer also, what I believe is, someone who is passionate about their role, I'll tell you my
experience with the experience guy, I hire regular people who are experienced, but if I hire as
a puzzle person who just recently passed away from college, they're enthusiastic, they solve
those problems, which normally people who have so much experience can't solve. So that is,
that's how I see that thing. So experience is not what I require.It's the sense learning or
What are the other departments you need to collaborate to deliver the results for your
work?
go to finance. Well, if I need to procure one system for my designer or a developer, I need to
go to HR, and it means I have to deal with the back end team or to deal with my front end
developers, Plus news has different departments for that. So if I have the business
requirement, my requirement comes from BP, CEO directly, new ideas that they are pitching
that needs to be done. So it is like I need to deal with different stakeholders. I mean, I can't
even name actually most of the departments have to deal with that. How is it even legal also,
I will give an example. Now the cookie policy that you select on any web app or mobile
application so that needs to come from the legal department. So those kinds of small things
that need to get easy, I have to deal with every department that has room to do my job. So I
can't say that. Primarily, it is the developer, it is the stakeholders and the upper management.
How the hiring process is conducted for this role in your organization?
Mine was basically, when I got selected there was no UI UX person over here. So they want
to hire a person who has a prior experience in user experience. And they were looking for
someone who can actually create the department from scratch. So then the prior knowledge in
the company was almost zero when it came to the UX that conducted my interview. They
asked the developer, the development team to take my interview. They asked the content
director, the content team content manager to take my interview. So you actually use some
words UX copy UX, design UX development. So they asked me for my UX. When it comes
his prior experience, I look at what was the biggest art course, what problems he has solved
earlier. So that is, if the person is able to explain what problem he has solved, either through
his portfolio or even by a call then, when it's good to go for me. So that's how I selected my
assistant manager, because forcefully you need to have a story to be a good UX designer,
researcher tells how he reached a solution by defining a problem. So that is our collective
assessment.
How does your day to day life as a user experience manager go ?
I'll tell you how my days are assigned, four o'clock, I have a meeting with an external
vendor.
Saturday, but because the other person is like, we're hiring a vendor for a new project and we
didn't have the capacity to do that. So it's like, I have to wake up in the morning. I need to
look
What are the next requests that I have? What are the data from last year that I have to
complete? What my team needs, what my team is doing? Actually, now it's because of the
covid times and like you are conducting interviews, I am also conducting phone interviews,
or online interviews that I'm going to say the other thing is the data we have. So there is
something called web scraping. So using web scraping, I can analyze the data. I do the
behavior analysis, how users are reacting with my current job sites, what are the new changes
that I have made, whether they are good or not? So these are the parameters, I have to get the
data like you are collecting right now I have to collect the data, I need to make an empathy
map around it, then I have to extract the solution for that and implement it on my web app or
mobile app. Whatever I'm building right now, whatever product I'm working on.
Any particular advice for the people who are aiming to get into this role?
As a UX manager, from a UI/UX designer, when you switch to a management role, you will
not be working properly, like UX/UI designer, so you need to actually grab some
management skills.
The other thing that is different from becoming a manager is to know how to deal with
people, particularly your stakeholders because the ideas that you're going to put across the
table, you need to know how you can push it through them and get it fast. So dealing with
people is the major roadblock I've seen in management roles. UI/UX designers actually fall
into it because mostly they are designers by nature, so when it comes to management, it's not
like that, you need to talk to people to get your ideas approved, that becomes a challenge
when it comes to management, shooting, managing, growing matters what I have faced
earlier. I have been through that. So this is the only solution I can give for anyone coming .
Thank you very much. So we asked this question because we wanted to understand
some intangible aspects that are required for this role from us.
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Okay. So, so, can you please tell us what would be the roles and responsibilities of a user
experience manager?
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and designing when it comes to coding the right part of the user experience even designer and
founder or person can specialize in one I think about what we're doing main production
designer is the UI partner interface design and when they grow in terms of hierarchy you can
manage everything you have been managing all of these roles and become a manager
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Of the gaming experience. But I didn't see a specialized role for the user experience manager
working for me and become an experienced manager business development by design and
management. So, that is not related to design, they get the brief of the business and then they
hand it over to the designer then take it forward and they will then and then review what
might be part of the ideation or they want to give directions many will be wanting to be user
manager all our designers will then be gradually one by one they have to manage the project
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Okay. So, this entire user experience is vertical and a division in itself. So it doesn't come
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Mean able to do it
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Yes
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For one of the interactive media okay. We have many events and because we have all of our
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friends, so, what are the various stages of the designer like how do you go about the entire
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No, it is different for every client and for the requirements we have at the time we want a
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Which has to be followed and there are methods that fall under the methodology that come
from basic design, the problem statement, then how you resolve the problem, then return the
pin, and then down to the final solution. And the solution might be a product, it might be an
interface or a software or apps we are or even some objects. So, it depends on the
requirement and how what the problem is okay and sometimes there are different products
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Okay. So, what happens is while suppose you've designed something a user experience
flowchart and you've launched a product, but if suppose something negative happens then
how does the team deal with itself like how do you redesign everything and or is there a
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Suppose you design that you know this should be the process, user experience process and we
launch a product, but suppose some some time some negative thing happens and we do we
change the entire thing or is there any resume template which is there to deal with problems
arising from
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This ecosystem is all holistically. Because we really have elements of quantitative and
qualitative quantitative that my time we can put it in the formula can vary from person to
person templates that they have to the customer requirements can be a pitch template which
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The extent in not following the methodology follows fun board only the initial phases
because you're doing things that they might not be fixed, it depends on the situation. So, what
can go wrong if I go for a user interview later on, if there are not too many, our mind and
going forward in terms of design, there are definitely things so, it's not like I believe the
entire process and then it is going to the stakeholders difficulty or the clients who are part of
the process from day one, they know what's going wrong. And we can always going back
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Through your day from right from day one till the end, so would you want to go next? Okay,
okay.
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Okay. So, first of all, thank you very much for taking time to answer questions. There was
some I had a question like, if someone would have wanted to go into user experience, so what
kind of software or work experience what competencies would he need to actually do a good
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First of all, we wrongly called a UI UX. So people can connect it to the software. They told
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for even a human being with better knowledge of sociology and psychology and then the
design because that is a process and once it will go down in terms of the process, interaction
design, creating the product or the return and going towards interface design, interaction
design. It can be done on paper as well. What if you want to use offers and there are many,
It’s easy to PowerPoint you can do that if you want to make it easier. Now then going further
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How can you feel in an application and environment? How they would look what they
needed was that they didn't realize that there are any we can use them for one on for all of
them have anything we can also have shown the basic elements of
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okay and I got one more question or if someone is applying for cell phones and someone else
is applying for the job or do you take for interview did take fresher as well or do require some
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depending on the company to company there is a photon matching the colour associated with
that one can apply as I said all the work is what we might get selected department somewhere
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the computer experience and they want to be among them take with us and for interaction
designer interfaces depending on what you want and which company you want to go.
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Okay, okay. And regarding the interview process, in the hiring process, are there any like
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college Microsoft have a lot of companies in common in real estate that is one after
remember with multiple companies and given this activity of elections will be one of the top
companies in our
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Technical interview and behavioural interview like for a new user experience engineers
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Technical interview between the company and the role you are reacting to some of the
companies are doing differently. The companies we call the way to consider that as our
enterprise they would see more of a graphic talent or the planning talent or any abstract view
of Human Design. They will see more than how the process has been designed or how the
whole process that is followed to design that particular app. Some of you might be the
mechanics of what follows. We've come up with the end result when we use it and then what
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Yes, sir. And what are the basic qualifications that accompany looking for hiring for this
role?
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Your graphic designer Background only learns from what you're doing okay. Very few
colleges that offer user experience design as a master's in many rural design as a master's in
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Institute of Design and human factor design is very similar to MIT also offer an
undergraduate course in user experience design and of course, graduate course in the water
facing user experience and then you have to design for it. And I was going back to that I think
IIT Guwahati definitely as a user interaction design course. And this is very good, if you can
get into it go on
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Yes, they are in the courses, they don't know they are going to market for an imperfect reason
racism if you've not been part of it, the idea of course are correct. Or if you're going for any
of the policies, we
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Should you should go to these policies and see their force contents and if there is an issue
rather we offer a similar sentence then only it should be different interface design and with
Yes
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Okay. So, a person will go on to all these departments will eventually grew up to our user
experience manager
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Like any one of these will be in the game on your own from your manager. Okay,
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So, one last question from our end, sort of suppose a person is preparing for an interview for
the user experience law. So what would be your advice as to what technical and behavioural
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A support person is a fresher, an MBA graduate who wants to get into this? Yes.
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Let's suppose a person from any undergraduate stream if normal if a normal person from an
undergraduate stream wants to get into the user experience or user experience researcher or a
designer, so, how would I how would he have to tackle with the intelligence
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We have to prepare for it. So we have to read a lot to me online about our working directory
then why they want to take it after graduation that would be ideal. Okay, and then the end
goal
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And the task on which you had mentioned for the railway
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Give you a task which will be particular learning concepts literally anything can be anything
under the sun. Moving on to explain the process of how design came up for the final design
might be something we need an explanation of how that concept came up. For the giveaway
example, design competitor to watch that application that maybe we are really good at
buying, we might come up with a really good application, why we came back to the design
method, I think it would then reveal for the interviewer to the process and the thought behind
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The thought process for breaking it up and how that process is similar to using a 119 and it
should mean a detailed explanation of how that process came into this interface. Yes, it is
important in any in your writing process when making a project manager, everyone I know
that I haven't seen they end up in an NDA would come in an IP per owner design forum and
applying what do we think of a business development person and one evening in your team
we will become a manager we also manage that team of designers that a manager but maybe I
in the forum which is working with me to be a manager or the city that people will try
working between they're all designers have taken the longer design when the nav have
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Got it so much for your time sir returning with a lot to be giving us so much time for this
discussion?
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I like picking it up. Would you want to work towards anger in wanting to feel inclined
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I have my report technician, okay. So, let me know if you want to do that.
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Yes, absolutely. So thank you so much.
What does the user experience Manager’s role look like and what are the roles and
responsibilities?
First of all the responsibilities of a UX manager is managing the user experience design
team. So, I belong to a banking project, so, I work in HDFC. So, you basically manage all
the projects and also at the same time guide along with how to do this activity. They will be a
part of all the teams, right from understanding the customer’s problem, to guiding the team in
If an aspirant has to come for an interview, what all prior knowledge should he have
what all should he prepare for the technical and the behavioural interview?
Overall, for the post of the user experience manager, the candidate needs to have a work
The candidate should know how to take the requirements from the bank or from the product
owners, what are the basic requirements of the project? And the workshops for meeting the
requirement gathering session? About what research needs to be done to form the product
design.
What kind of graphic software or software tools is it better to be prepared for the User
Experience Manager?
There are n number of software tools which are used by the User design team. But the most
Does the User Experience vertical come under any particular vertical like Marketing or
When you're conducting an interview for the potential candidate on a user experience,
do you conduct any specific tasks to complete during that or is this some sort of general
interview?
We give them a situation followed by a set of questions. They need to come up with the
entire plan of how to come up with a final end to end solution right from Problem decoding to
the final design of the problem. We only look at the thought process used by the candidate.
No, such communication must be aware of design skills. And that might be you know,
helpful.
If someone is looking to go get into this, if you're someone a fresher either myself or just
out of MBA looking to get into user experience manager in the future, what kind of
advice would you give me? I mean, what kind of experience Should I get?
You have to have domain knowledge, knowledge even for data in every domain, everyone
can become user experience at some point. You should be able to understand your clients
So I work for Temenos company, which is on the finance side and we also do services for the
other companies as well. So, basically, my role is to design products and understand trends,
and we have to understand the customers for whom we are designing the major parts like
designing the product or any kind of mobile application or website so that we can design a to
them only
Previously, we used to use Adobe Photoshop, now we are using Sketch and Adobe XD for
How did you get into this field? What courses did you take in college?
I studied BSc networking in my college, but at the time I was interested in doing networking
jobs, but after completion of my degree, and I felt like networking jobs are very rare and we
only get when we are experienced in that stream, then I thought of changing my career and
my brother is also a designer. So, I used to be interested in doing that thing as well. So, I also
started learning from there. I used to ask him how to do designing and he explained it to me.
So, with my interest and passion on designing, I started my career in design, I did not take
any courses like that, but I jumped into a job like a fresher with some skill set, then I slowly
What would you state as the most important soft skill that you require at your work?
Having patience is important, sometimes what happens in our job is we do some designs with
our imagination. And when we take it up to the stakeholders, then they might not like it
much, then we need to rethink the product and redesign it again. So in that case, we need to
In the beginning I was the only designer in one or two companies, so, I did not feel like
collaboration was important. Then going further after changing my jobs twice, I had a team,
so then I understood that collaboration is most important at that point. So we get ideas from
different people, and collaborate and do it. So there is a lot of thinking and new innovations.
What actions do you recommend a person who wants to get into this field today?
So, before entering into this career path, or if you want to choose this career path, you have to
have a bit of interest in doing this or else without having any interest you won't be able to
sustain in this job. Because it's kind of slow, right, it's kind of a learning process.
What is the industry standard in regards to the hiring process ? How is it being conducted
right now?
There might be some few questions regarding the experience and regarding the previous
work, which have been done, there should be a portfolio before going into an interview, so
that they can see your work. So, based on the portfolio, they get to know better and they also
give us tasks that we are capable of doing. So, based on that also they will be hiring us and
mostly there should be a knowledge of doing design properly and there should be some
experience, at least two or three years and a course regarding UI UX, as that is a plus point.
Can you can you tell me the key how critical is this role, you know, for the business ?
you know, for the business, to know the business goal, because we try to map it with the user
needs. I did no research, before starting any project. before starting any research, we want to
know, the business goal. And then we try to reach out to the customers to know their needs.
Okay. So the job of us manager is to setting up the standards to create the roadmap for the UI
UX team, okay, in terms of research and testing, and how will we align this thing with the
development these standards, we set the guidelines for our team as a manager following the
roadmap plan, that much is gonna be research during research with this much time we'll
explain and then maybe the candidates or in a design sprints or design thinking workshops
will also be role of us managers to think strategically which approach is better to solve the
problem statement
What are the performance expectations for the role ?
Okay, they should have hands on experience, which is required you should go and you should
also know the how to get this work done by your team for how to align your team with the
roadmaps, they should have the clarity about the delivery plan about the all the projects
initiatives, steps which are involved, what exactly do they have to do in the search phase?
What do they have to do? What do they have to do in design phase and then how will they
proceed with the miscibility testing, how to recruit the candidates to test you you know, you
need to country excite you need to interview so, that is the part of manager to think and to
talk to the stakeholders what is the maybe complimentary gifts which we are giving
candidates or maybe tudents or maybe while recruiting we have to come up with some
strategy right. That is the role of business managers and UX managers to coordinate with
collaboration, collaboration with the cross functional teams, okay, well terms of getting the
data, getting more insight about the customers coordination with the marketing team, to know
the customers pain points, coordination with product owner, we are not a decision maker, we
have to work according to the scrum teams product owner Scrum Master. So, development
also developers also included in the initial phase of the research, so that they all should be on
the same page. So, it is all the jobs and responsibilities of a manager a lot of communication
or analyzing what the stakeholders want to know. So, basically mapping mapping the
business, mapping the business goals with the user needs, oh, we cannot do something which
is out of the business needs. So we have to align so in a while recruiting, you know, you must
have gone through the process of recruiting people or you also must have gone for an
interview. So is there any specific tests or anything else, and how they recruit every company
is different every company has a different strategy process sometimes they offer free
complimentary membership, it is nobody's interested to spend their time until you give
something to them and if you want to do some surveys if you want to do some testing some
research part and you need people to talk to and if you need their valuable time you have to
offer something right and you want to add and it is very critical ways with it, you have to
observe them while they're performing. And now, you have certain questions which you
asked during the research this you might have certain questions or tasks during testing phase
also. So, it's always a best practice to give something complimentary, so that people should
feel motivated and they should join these sessions you know, with a with some curiosity and
which are being goodness that is they will also get something. So, that is totally depends upon
the company budget also sometimes they fixed budget we have to spend for research and then
maybe they can come up with $10 or $20 amazon gift cultures. Sometimes they give
their customers. Okay, we are giving you two months free membership you cannot food or
complimentary food you will get for for a couple of days like do something.
And what about the you know, latest technology in UI UX role? What are the
It's not a technology, there's lots of the same entire UCD process I will talk about UX
We call it user centered design process. And as I mentioned, we have labeled the research
phase design phase and then testing phase during design during the research phase we do
market analysis, check the competitors, we see the trend which is going on in the market,
what our competitors are doing, why are they doing better? What features do they have in
their size. And then we can also enhance our application according to the one important other
thing is contextual inquiry. Of course, one on one interviews with customers. When we
design and then we test it,we use tools day to the life tools are trendy keeps changing
sometimes substitutes. So, that still doesn't totally matter, like we know for a job interview,
they ask you need to know this particular tool or that particular tool does is that a
differentiator or not an advantage, that is one tool you should Master, you should master one
tool required either it is like for wireframing, you should put the tool that way, then only you
will be able to create the sketches or life instance. So if you have mastering one tool, it will
work. And mostly other tools are similar to it. And you can adapt, you know,interfaces
almost similar to look at Photoshop or Adobe XD. And if you want to switch to a sketch, you
can do that. If you have if you have already worked on one. But a manager has a more sort of,
you know, a big picture. All right, he doesn't look into the tools and all that. Changing now
After a child coming into the picture, your roles have changed. Everybody's individual
contributor, either it is a manager or senior manager. So that even senior managers are also
contributing and working with the team, the manager still am doing wireframes I create
I hardly see these days, I hardly see that managers are totally managed. It's not a people
management role, right? Yes. Yeah. I don't do what UX person is doing. Okay, so but the
responsibilities same with you, excuse me, just add on that he has to supervise or create the
roadmap also. And then they have to align with the team with that roadmap. That's the
exciting I see. Oh, otherwise, it's actually seen. We are also doing the same what other team