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49 21st November, 2022

To,
All Central Executive Committee Office Bearers, CE members, CE observers,
Zone and Branch Chairmans & Secretaries.

Dear friends,

Today, on 21st November 2022, the 2nd Periodical meeting between

DoO (C&S) and recognised associations of Group-B (G/NG) cadre has been
held at conference Hall of DoO (C&S).
The following were present from AIANGOs side:
Sh. Sanjib Kumar Mandal - Jt General Secretary
Sh. L Jayavardhan Reddy - General Treasurer

The meeting was chaired by DGO shri Sanjeev Kishore, IOFS. The
report of the meeting is attached under for information. A provisional list of
vacancy is also provided under for the upcoming DPC for JWM promotion.
The final actual vacancy may vary after incorporating the reservation
element (SC/ST reservation).
Vacancy for Chargeman to JWM:
Stream Vacancy (Provisional)
Mechanical 110
Electrical 10
Civil 12
Chemical 30
Metallurgy 08
Clothing Technology 05
Leather Technology 01
NT/OTS 70
NT/Stores 22
Vacancy for JWM to JWM SG:
Stream Vacancy (Provisional)
Mechanical 50
Electrical 05
Civil 02
Chemical 10
Metallurgy 0
Clothing Technology 01
Leather Technology 0
NT/OTS 25
NT/Stores 10

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Sl. No. Points
2.a DPC for promotion from JWM(SG) to AWM
against the years 2019, 20, 21 & 22, please inform
reason of delay and present position.
b DPC for promotion from JWM(SG) to AWM
against the Years 2023.
c DPC for promotion from JWM to JWM(SG) &
from PS to Sr. PS against the Year 2023.
d Filling of all vacant DR Posts of AWM, JWM, CM,
NIEs & IEs through Promotion by one-time
relaxation in SRO in view of shortage & functional
requirement.
e To avoid legal complication All Deferred JWMs
promotion may be considered for next MACP
with original promotion/Merging of Post-date
please. As per Court Affidavit given by OFB now
DoO date of deferment is done only for vacancies
not for financial loss.
f Willingness may be taken before promotion from
CM to JWM as most of CMs are ITI qualified and
they are not willing to accept promotion/higher
responsibility.
g CM (Mech/T) to JWM(Mechanical/T) promotions:
It is noticed that promotions in the Mechanical
stream are drastically reduced. Particularly SC/ST
category vacancies have not been filled in the
previous 2-3 years. This matter may be taken into
cognizance immediately and the necessary
process may be started. In order to work out and
educate the cadre about promotions, it is
requested to provide stream wise CM, JWM
strength and details provided with the roster as
on-date-filled promotions in all disciplines.
DoO (C&S) Reply
Case has been submitted to UPSC
on 01.09.2022. Court case has
been filled on 09.09.2022. Hearing
is on 24.11.2022. UPSC is one of
the respondents. Hope DPC may
be conducted shortly.
After completion of JWM SG DPC,
process shall be started.
Efforts are made to complete DPC
by 31.12.2022.
JWM: Proposal has been sent to
DDP for diversion of DR posts to
LDCE. DDP has replied to stick with
the existing SRO.
CM: Proposal has been sent to
DDP. Total of 889 DR vacancies for
2021 and 2022 has been proposed.
DDP further asked to consult
DPSUs requirement.
Matter shall be explored.
There is no such provision in RR.
However, forego applications shall
be considered.
Reservation register is properly
maintained by Liaison Officer of
SC/ST. No provision of sharing
Reservation register in public
Domain.
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3.a Status of Cadre review of Group B (G & NG) Proposal has been submitted to
including JWM (T &NT) Cadre & PS Cadre. A DDP on 11.01.2022 for Gr-
Recommendation copy of Cadre Review B(G/NG). Observations also
committee of IOFSA and Gr. B JWM and PS cadres replied on 31.03.2022 and
may please be provided. the assurance given by 04.04.2022 No further observation
JS/LS on 28/08/2021 for settlement the issue received.
within a month has not been complied PS, PA, Stenographer, Sr. PS
proposal also submitted to DDP on
19.01.2022. No observation
received.
b. Following Cadre review proposal for CM Proposal already submitted to
submitted by association for consideration: DDP on 11.01.2022.
i) After completion of 2 years of service in CM No change in the same is not
grade, upgrade them from Pay level 6 to pay possible at this moment.
level 7 (Non-functional up-gradation). Point closed.
ii) Stagnation in the following stream in CM -
Electrical, Metallurgy, clothing etc must be
resolved immediately.
iii) Inter cadre ratio to be revised & proposed as
following CM – 45%, JWM – 30 %, JWM (SG) –
15 % & Section Manager – 10 % & minimum
five promotions may be assured in service
tenure.
iv) Inter cadre ratio JWM to AWM to be
enhanced.
v) Separate streams of Electronics, IT/Computer
etc. may be introduced in CM.
4. Distance education: Proposal submitted to DDP on
a) Individuals acquired diploma through distance 16.06.2022. further observation
mode from Universities/Professional received from AICTE on the matter
bodies/institutes and got promoted through was received on 31.10.2021.
LDCE conducted by the OFB. An alternative Reply is being made to be
proposal has been put forward by this submitted to DDP.
association for one-time relaxation in line with
the DRDO and Railway considering the cut-off
date as 31-05-2013. But no fruitful action is yet
to be seen on the issue.
There is no specific court verdict or
MHRD/AICTE orders which can prevent the
organisation to consider the diploma acquired
through IME/Distance education from

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 different institutes via. GPDL Pune, IME,
Karnataka University, Rajasthan University for
promotion. In past DPC’s, uniformity was not
being followed by OFB in these cases and
moreover It is an injustice on part of the
organisation to deprive the candidates of their
promotions who served the organisation for
more than 10 years with clear APARs history.
Therefore, the withheld promotions on the
above context may be released immediately.
b) Status on Consideration of Distance Education As the Promotion itself is under
for promotion CM and JWM. challenge, further promotion is
not feasible at this moment.
c) OFAJ & OF Bhusawal are not considering Same as above.
MACP to CM(T) who acquired distance mode
education: It is completely against the MACP
rules. MACP is a pure career progression
based on the period of service not based on
education.
5 SRO:
a) Sorting out of difference of opinion regarding Proposal is pending with DDP.
SROs of AWM, JWM, JWM/SG & CM, and
status of approval of the same may be
informed.
b) Framing of SRO for LDCE provision in JWM All proposal has been sent to DDP
(NT), JWM (SG) grade. on 20.06.2019 for Technical and
23.05.2022 for NT. All observation
has been replied. Further
reminder has been sent latest on
28.09.2022.
c) Amendment in SRO of CM & include distance Draft SRO forwarded to MoD
learning for career progression of employee. 31.10.2019. observations have
BSC Physics should be made eligible for also been replied. No amendment
CM/Mechanical in LDCE as well as direct is feasible at this point.
recruitment (As already in SQAE). Point closed.

6 Medical facilities:
a) Clarity on CGHS schemes for Ordnance Factory Employees are governed by
employees may kindly be furnished. OFMR. CGHS is not applicable.

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 b) Hospital facilities may be maintained as per Reports shall be taken from the
before practice. Medicine may be given to all Hospitals & FUs. Instructions, if
old disease patient. any, shall be issued accordingly.

7 Periodical Meetings:
a) Periodical Meeting of Gr.B Gazetted Officers Not feasible.
should be conducted separately like a
Previous meeting.
b) Separate meeting may be granted to JWM
associations and 5 representatives may be
allowed for attending meeting as per ear
8 Transfer issues/ outside employment/
deputation/ NOC:
a) All the request Transfer of JWMs may kindly Specific cases may be submitted
be directly considered by DoO(C&S), Kolkata which shall be pursued from DoO.
since some DPSUs are harassing to employees
and officers they are rejecting their
application by asking suitable replacement.
Hence DOO, Kolkata may directly order and
release to such type of request transfers.
b) Individuals may be permitted to forward Shall be as per SOP framed by
application directly to other department and DDP.
copy of application may be given to DOO,
Kolkata for further action. Since Some DPSUs
are not forwarding their application to
concern department.
c) Delay in Forwarding of Application for outside Matter may be taken up with HR
employment as well as for Deputation. Some division of DPSU.
DPSU are not forwarding JWMs required
documents to other department. After
acceptance by other department DPSUs are
not releasing JWMs.
d) Inter DPSU transfer cases wherever applicants
are willing to get transferred without mutual As per SOP framed by DDP.
may be considered.
e) DPSUs are rejecting the NOC cases for A dedicated portal is available and
Deputation/Outside employment: It is is governed as per DoP&T
intimated that DPSUs are rejecting the NOC guideline. Comments of HoD &
applications for Deputation/ Outside CMD are sought with time limit.
employment. Although the GMs are clearing Deemed to be approved if no reply
the files but based on the recommendations of is provided.

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 CMD, the FUs are not issuing NOC. An example
is AWEIL HQ, Kanpur, OF Muradnagar.
9 Compassionate appointment: Matter taken up with DDP. DDP
Compassionate appointments should be has informed that the matter is
continued as before to the corporatization as the under examination in consultation
employees are still under deemed deputation and with DoP&T.
all pending compassionate cases which are
selected by the committee may be considered.
10 Implementation of JWM/SG w.e.f 01/01/2016:
a) Completion of - Implementation of JWM-SG Orders shall be issued by
w.e.f 01/01/2016 in respect of incumbents of 23.11.2022. Financial benefit shall
remaining years – 2019, 20, 21 & 22. be given from 2018.
b) Placement of those JWMs in level-8 who are NFU in the Scale of 5400 after
already as on or before 01/01/2016 in JWM- completion of four years from
SG(level-8) w.e.f 01/01/2016 en-block as per 01.01.2020 will be issued by
court order in addition to the placement on 30.11.2022.
calculated vacancies by seniority.
Placement of all those JWMs in level 9 who are
already in level-8 as on or before 01/01/2016
and have completed 4 years in 6th CPC-GP-
4800 i.e level-8 of 7th CPC in level 9 w.e.f
01/01/2016 en-block as per court order in
addition to the placement on calculated
vacancies by seniority.
c) Those JWM(SG) have completed 4 years in
level 8 they should be placed in level 9. As per
Court decision those JWMs(T/NT) have been
granted Rs.4800/- by virtue of MACP they
should be placed for level -9 Rs.5400 GP.

11 Risk Allowance:
Risk allowance also to be given to NGO’s
working in hazardous operation/ handling
with like Nitro Cellulose, Lead Styphnate,
Tetrazzini, Nitric Acid, Sulphuric Acid,
PETN…etc.
12 Night Duty Allowance (NDA):
a) Removal of night duty ceiling like Ministry of
Railways.
Proposal sent to DDP on
28.12.2021. Matter is pursued
regularly.
Matter has been taken up with
DDP. Last reminder has been sent
on 18.10.2022.

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 b) In some factories like SAF Kanpur NDA have Requisite data has been asked
given from year 2015 to 2017 then it is from DPSUs. 6 DPSUs have
recovered from the salary of NGO. forwarded data. MIL data
awaiting. Consolidated data will be
forwarded to MoD.
13 Seniority issue:
a) There are Anomalies in seniority list of CM Revised list shall be published
published as on 01/01/2022 modified after addressing the
seniority list may be published after representation. Seniority List as on
correction. 01.01.2023 shall be published by
Feb 2023.
b) In OFV some CM have got promotion in Matter shall be examined after
04/07/2019 Give them notional seniority proper data from unit.
w.e.f. 1st April 2019.
AIANGOs appealed that instruction from
DoO shall be issued to maintain uniform
DPC date & Promotion date as per DoP&T
rule.
14 Basic pay /GPF related issue:
a) GPF to settle at factory level instead of field As per SOP, not feasible.
unit. Instructions to be issued to FUs to
audit the service books of retiring
employees before one month of
retirement.
b) Juniors drawing more pay than seniors: Further instruction shall be issued
Anomaly arisen in CM(T) and JWM(T). in some after studying the comments of
cases, one increment difference for only six PCofA.
months is seen. A consolidated appeal in this
regard has already been submitted to
DoO(C&S). There can be types of cases noted
under.
Anomaly of applying Rule 10: Seniors
promoted before 01/01/2016 were not
getting the benefit of Rule 10 under CCS
RP rule 2016. But Juniors promoted to
CMs after 01/01/2016 getting the
benefit of the same thereby enjoying
more pay than their seniors.
15 LDCE promotion should not be considered for Not Feasible as per DoP&T norms
MACP as a promotion LDCE being a Fast Track
Promotion.

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16 LDCE:
a) CM/Store & CM/OTS to be allowed to appear Not Feasible as per present SRO.
for LDCE JWM.
b) LDCE exams for the promotion to CM (T/NT) & All attempts are made to conduct
JWM(T) may be conducted on priority. both LDCE (CM/JWM) in middle of
January 2023.
c) Separate IT papers for JWM (Mech-IT). Not feasible at this point.
d) It was assured in the last periodical meeting Shall be examined after conduction
that a calendar shall be maintained for the of LDCE 2022.
LDCE by the DoO(C&S). the same to be
declared for the year 2023-24.
17 Issue of guideline to all DPSU’s for disbursement SLP filled in Supreme Court. DoO
of arrear of OTA & OTB by considering HRA, TA & shall pursue with SCI council
SFA w.e.f 01/01/2006 by taking shortly. DoO shall deliberate after
affidavit/undertaking with the entitled. that.
18 Temporary duty and other facilities extended to Instruction shall be issued to DPSUs
Recognized Association viz. conducting meetings to give TD as per entitlement
etc. in the light of MoD ID no. 12(10)/82/D/(Proj- during official meeting.
1) dt. 11/11/1983 & MoD ID no. 09/(03)/2018-
D(JCM) dt. 26/10/2018.
19 DoO(C&S), Kolkata (OFBHQ) Employees station PMG work has been allotted to
protection: DoO. 42 PMGs have been formed
DoO(C&S) Kolkata employees are relentlessly with 13 Gr. A, 15 JWM/SG, 91 JWM,
facing threat of transfers, since corporatization, a 20 CM in addition to their existing
significant number of DoO(C&S) employees has allotted duty.
already been reduced. Moreover, an additional DO letter has been issued by JS/LS
workload has now been assigned to the subject to other department for
employees (viz. PMG etc.). Accordingly, in this Deployment of manpower in
scenario, willing transfers should only be nearby CG offices. DoO has also
considered and remaining employees may be held meetings with such
considered for posting /deployment in the nearby department.
Central Government Offices or organizations Transfer process shall be done
within the state. It has been gathered that a amicably after consultation with
concrete proposal in this regard has been DoO cadre associations.
forwarded to JS/LS which may be taken up to
address the issue. Hence, this setup may be
considered for re-deployment or should be
allowed to continued till the completion of
deemed deputation period. The employees of
DOO (C&S) may also be utilized DDP office-related
works or DPSU's works in the same place.

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 Apart from this, a separate status report has been prepared for the agenda points
which were not included for the meeting along with reasons for the same which are noted
hereunder.
Sl. No. AIANGOs Agenda DoO Reply
01 Renaming of Chargeman Proposal sent to DDP.
Observation received from
DDP that not feasible since it
involves change in SRO as JEs
in other departments has
educational qualification
constraints.
However, the DDP
communication shall be
shared with associations.
02 Stagnation in Chargeman streams like Electrical, May not be possible at this
CT, metallurgy stage as promotions are
being given as per SRO which
has the streamwise strength
written in it.
03 Complicacy in Settling the bills by the DPSUs Matter may be taken up with
DPSUs
04 Regular holding of IR meetings with Matter may be taken up with
units/Factories DPSUs
05 List of members to association may be given after The instructions by erstwhile
deduction of membership OFB are still valid.
06 Additional negotiation mechanisms under FU like May not be feasible at this
JCM IV moment. However,
associations can meet the
DDG of FUs as per mutual
convenience. Or submit
representation to FUs.
07 Deemed deputation period of employees: next The issue involves decision
course of action. of GoI. Hence beyond the
purview of DoO.

The meeting ended in a cordial manner with vote of thanks by the chair.

Thank you.

Yours truly

(AJAY)
General Secretary

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