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ECC88 / E88CC / 6DJ7 etc / NOS TUBES

Last Update: 03/27/2023 09:01:29

PART1) General overview of ECC88 types. (You are already here)

PART2) Tubes for sale.

The most frauded tube is ECC88. Tubes are re-labelled, retro-gold plated, re-
branded and re-packed. I was offered them in boxes of 100 from Slowenia, I had them here, but send the mess
back. They looked great, but tested like any used but "ok" tube. Look on Ebay what crazy prices are payed for
empy 100 boxes outside carton of Telefunken, like 50 Euro. That pays off, to make a 100pcs box look real, and
get 15.000 Euro for it. If you prefer the illusion of being Mr. Lucky on internet auctions, they are waiting for you
there. Read also here about LASER FAKED diamonds in the tube bottom.

. Normal Ratings Maximum ratings

Europe US Uf If Gm Rp Gai Uf Pa Ug Ua Ia Ig,o Nois 1) DO NOT
A (mA) (Ma/V Oh n (V) (W) (V) (V) m (uA e USE THIS
) m A ) (mV) DATA AS
DESIGN
DATA.
USE
ORIGINAL
datasheets
Uh-k.
Heater to
Cathode. Al
so read here
 Read below,
how to
connect the
voltmeter.
Eech
test must
be in
between
following
limits:

6DJ 6,3 ok between

13
ECC88 8 V 365 . . . . 1,8 -50 25 . . +50 and -
0
150 V
- ok between
E88CC 692 6,3 22
300 . . . . 1,5 10 20 . . +60 and -
2 V 0
0 120 V
- ok between
E188C 730 6,3 1,6 25
335 . . . . 11 22 . . +60 and -
C 8 V 5 0
0 120 V
Version of
7DJ 7,0 13 ECC88 only
PCC88 300 . . . . 1,8 -50 25 . .
8 V 0 for
Televisions.
Version of
PCC18 7,0 ECC88 only
300
8 V for
Televisions.
ok between
6,3 600+/ 5,5... 30
6N1P - . . . 2,2 . 20 1,0 100 +100 and -
V -50 7 0
250 V
6N1P- - 6,3 600+/ . . . 5,5... 2,2 . 30 25 0.5 80 ok between
VI V -50 7 0 +120 and -
250 V . This
is a jewel.
The VI
Version is
balanced
and
matched,
per
datasheet
specificatio
 n.
ok between
6N1P- +120 and -
EB 6,3 600+/ 6...6. 25 250V. Low
- . .. . 2,2 . 25 0.2 50
(=6N1P V -25 6 0 noise
-EV) version of
6N1P.
5,5... - ok between
6,3 310+/ 30 150
6N23P - . . . 7 1,8 20 20 0.2 +150 and
V -25 0
0 xxx V
- ok between
6N23- 6,3 310+/ 6...6. 30
- .. . . 2,0 22 20 0.15 75 +200and
EV V -25 6 0
0 xxx V
Special attention needed: This tube excist as normal grid tube and as frame grid tube. The frame
grids have generally better parameter stability, lower noise and lower hum. These are the later
technology, and also a technology only very few could make. Frame grid wires can be as thin as
10um, which is technologically speaking a masterpiece of fine mechanics. The frame grid wire
is so thin, when you open up a defective tube, you cannot see it with the bare eye. To give you
an idea, the size of a large bacteria is 5um. When frame grid tubes, we write it in the
description.

The Russians made very special quality grade 6N1P-EB. This is a much improverd version of
ECC88 made, with higher voltage capabilities, higher plate dissipagtion, and better in many
many ways. However, they bias not as trhey shouls in all circuits, and have slightly lower gain.
These have lower noise, and less distortion. Mind you they draw twice the heater current. So
you may be able to use them in a ECC88/E88C ciruit, but first verify this with the seller of the
amplfier, or try it at your own responsibility.

Is your ECC88 microphonic? Try the DUENDE tube rings we sell. This may help you more
than changing tubes. The Duende dampers are GUARANTEED to give an audible
improvement. We have Money-back guarantee on those. Also you should try the Svetlana types
6N1P. The ones we sell, are "EB", also when not specified like this, it's what they are.

Is your ECC88 humming or making noise? When no, then skip this text. Used tubes of this type
generally have more hum and noise. In many problem cases, the ECC88 is not used correct.
Even with top-name amplifier manufacturers we see the same old errors, resulting from
arrogancy, like not reading a datasheet. (reading datasheets in DETAIL seems to be a "no no"
when somebody has some decades of experience. Strangely so, but I see it over and over again.
When you refer to finest datasheet details, they say they don't need to know, they have already
"30 years experience". Well, I think experience and detailed product knowledge is the same!
Anyway, not reading the datasheet may work with most tubes, but not with all. The negative
result is, end users have to swap tubes all of the time, and desparately try to draw conclusions
from this. The next three boxes are a short overview of the most important thing to check, in
case of a problem. Only do these measurements inside your amplifier, when you have
experience with this. Leave it up to a technician otherwise.

Low Noise types: Use 6N1P-EB or original NOS Tesla E88CC gold grid version.

1) Heater to Cathode: (Called Uh-k)Test with DC Voltmeter: Red Lead Pin4, and Black lead on
Pin3 and Pin8. (see llimits in above table). This is a very critical one, and can cause a good tube
to get defective, or give hum, sparks or other noise, when exceeded.

Also read here

2) Anode voltage: (Called Ua) Test with DC Voltmeter between Pin 1 and 3, and between Pin 6
and 8. (see limits in above table)
3) Filament voltage: (Called Uf)Test with Voltmeter between Pin 4 and 5. Set it on AC, and if
nothing is read, set it on DC. (see limits in above table)
BIG QUESTION: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ECC88 and E88CC? Here are
the possible answers, only ONE answer is correct. If you don't know the answer.... Read this
table from the beginning. Hehe ;)

Gold Grid with some of the TESLA E88CC. Click here

Detailed Test report, comparing E88C JJ with TESLA NOS . Click

here.

EHX new production 6922 under the microscope. Click here.

NOS Supply situation:
Not good. The only NOS that can be found still is Philips ECG, and Tesla. All others are gone,
gone, gone. Folks, both TESLA and PHILIPS ECG are the finest NOS tubes you can buy at the
moment, for a reasonable price. TESLA is even a frame grid tube!

PART1) Back to general overview of ECC88 types.

PART2) Tubes for sale. (You are already here)

How these tubes are tested

FAQ Frequently Asked Questions Last modified 03/27/2023 09:01:29

Attention: This is an export Price List, valid for companies in the European Community with
a VAT Identification number, and for companies or private persons outside the European
Community. Inside Europe, please ask for a quote, including VAT tax. (Since 2021 we must
charge the VAT of the receiving country)

Tube Condition Qty. EURO

.Made in Holland. White boxes. Sorry, only one

NOS 1 65€
tube left. Check also next item, below here.

Amperex
New appearance, very nice and clear print. Test
Brimar Used 2 18€
very good.
ECC88 Elektronska Industri, former Yugislavia. Factory NOS 13 22€
 does not excist anymore: Original yellow-blue
EI
boxes. Made on Philips machines.

NOS
original
National, made in USA. 1 45€
box

E188CC /
7308
National

These tubes are boxed and branded "National"

USA. Note, National was a tube re-branding
company of very good reputation. They were
supplied with first class tubes by the
manufacturers, and the country of origin is always
E188CC / printed on the tubes. So with them, what you pay NOS
7308 is what you get. This pair has printed on the glass: original 150€ for
1 Pair
"National" "Made in Yugoslavia". Meaning they are EI tubes. box the pair
but made by This is confirmed by the construction, there is the
EI characteristical A-Shaped getter holder inside, and
more details. Now that EI is closed since 2014,
prices of EI tubes are expected to soar. (For a true
happened story, read the world of NOS )

Used, but
Made in Holland. Clear white print like new, from
ECC88 look and
spare equipment. Some tubes from equipment are 30€ /
Philips test like 9
sometimes actually never used. These appear like Each
Holland new
that.

Perfect quality, good boxes. Made in USA. NOS Stock See

original pricelist
JAN tested, for higher reliability. JAN Testing is box
a military proces for lot qualification, which
makes sure that weak production series will not
pass as a whole. This is a very hard way of testing,
since "good" tubes must still be rejected when
enlarge they come from a production series where too
many have failed the JAN tests. So you take
6922 samples, you overload them for a certain time, and
when too many fail the whole lot is rejected. Now
 of course manufacturers could still sell such tubes
on the commercial market, but the military refused
to take those. This is the reason why JAN tested
Philips tubes are so often agvailable as commercial tubes
also!! JAN was the first choice, the rest got sold
Order commerically.
Number:
114-096-33 Done so in 1985 when these were made, but JAN
testing is still used for semiconductors as well.

Read more about JAN TESTING here.

NOS
Enlarge original See
50
box pricelist
Perfect
E88CC/6922 quality, good boxes. On the tube glass is acid
/ RCA branded "made in USA" These test absoluetely
excellent, strong emission and close to datasheet
Order values.
Number:
114-095-90

ECC88
Made in Germany. Original orange box NOS 2 55€
Siemens
6DJ8
Nice green stamps. White box . Test good. Used 1 11€
Sylvania

Gold pin tubes. Original boxes. Tube nr 2 + 3

from the left, on the picturel This tube is
something like ECC88. Not directly compatible to NOS 2 25€
ECC88, so a secret tip if you can design your won
circuits.
enlarge

ECC8100
Telefunken
 Same as above, but printing is damaged, and white
NOS 1 15€
ECC8100 box.
Telefunken
NOS Stock See
nornal
pricelist.

E88CC
Telefunken

Order Original box. <> Bottems,

Number: made in Ulm, Germany, with factory series
114-133-88 numbers on the tubes. Excellent NOS. These come
with Amplitrex computer test report. That is: All
JUST A tube data there is, including gain, Gm, Plate
FEW impedance, grid leakage, etc, and compare it
PAIRS against "must be" values. From this you will see,
LEFT. these are TOP CLASS NOS tubes. For a pair,
order two pieces, they are automatically packed as
matched pairs if you do so. Please note with some
(not with all) the print text has suffered somewhat
from storage. It is not much but we have to say it.

W
hat is best, we had a small lot, and we have been
able to select them all in perfectly balanced and
matched pairs. This is not normal for E88CC, test
values can vary widely, and you have to take them
 as is. However, not with those! They test all at
15mA, with grid voltage variation of less than 0,2
Volt !!

Here is a Link to all

test reports. So you can see it yourself. You can
order any pair you like, as long as we have it
available. They are pre-selected in pairs. So if you
order for instance tube #4 from this list, it is pre-
matched with tube #8. If you want a single you
can only take the ones we have, we cannot break
up a pair for it.

Interesting detail with the tube box. When it writes

on there "ECC88, 1" as you see on the picture here
this means this tube was made in Germany,
indicated by the number "1". Number "2" would
mean outside Germany. This was told to me by a
retired Telefunken Ulm Employee, so I think this
is very reliable information.

Click for high resolution picture here. Gold Grid NOS Stock See
Version. High Quality tubes from the Prague original nornal
factory (Code32) . Original old blue boxes. These box pricelist.
were made for the military, as you can see from
the sword signs on the back side of the tube. This Order nr
is probably the best ECC88 ever made. It is fully for a
equivalent to the Telefunken ECC88 apart from matched
the <> sign, and of course these TESLA have gold and
E88CC
pins, which the Telefunken have not. For the rest balanced
Tesla
every little detail is identical. This batch had very pair:
good values.
Order
114-038-
Number:
The order numer 114-038-92 is for a Matched +
 balanced PAIR, with printed Amplitrex test
report. So all four systems of this pair are the
same.

These are no JJ Tubes!

Read some more about TESLA Tubes.
114-038-92
92

Gold Grid
Information. Click here

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