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Modeling Base Slab With Drop Panel Slab in ETABS

The document discusses issues modeling a drop panel slab in ETABS software prior to version 19.1. Specifically, when external loads are applied only to the base slab, the program incorrectly calculates reactions. The document provides hand calculations demonstrating the correct way to calculate reactions when loads are applied to both slabs.
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Modeling Base Slab With Drop Panel Slab in ETABS

The document discusses issues modeling a drop panel slab in ETABS software prior to version 19.1. Specifically, when external loads are applied only to the base slab, the program incorrectly calculates reactions. The document provides hand calculations demonstrating the correct way to calculate reactions when loads are applied to both slabs.
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  • Introduction to Modeling in ETABS: Provides an overview of the ETABS software for constructing base slabs with drop panels.
  • Calculating Own Weight Reactions: Describes the method to calculate the own weight reaction on columns from base slabs using ETABS.
  • Live Load Reaction Calculations: Explains the process of calculating live load reactions specifically for base slabs.
  • Solving Load Definition Issues: Addresses how to handle issues when defining live loads on base slabs within the software.
  • Assigning Loads and Concluding: Summarizes the steps for assigning loads accurately between base and drop slabs and concludes on version differences.

‫‪Modeling base slab with drop panel slab in ETABS‬‬

‫ﺗﻮﺟﺪ ﻣﺸﻜﻠﻪ ﻓﻰ ﺟﻤﻴﻊ ﻧﺴﺦ ﺑﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ا‪ .‬ﻳﺘﺎﺑﺲ ﻗﺒﻞ ا‪ .‬ﺻﺪار ‪ VER.19.1‬ﺣﻴﺚ أﻧﻪ ﻋﻨﺪ ﺗﻌﺮﻳﻒ ﺑ! ﻃﻪ‬
‫ﻣﻦ ﻧﻮع ‪ Drop‬ﻣﻊ ﺑ! ﻃﻪ ﻓ! ت ﺳ! ب ووﺿﻊ أﺣﻤﺎل ﺧﺎرﺟﻴﺔ ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﺒ! ﻃﺔ اﻟﻔ! ت ﺳ! ب ﻓﺎن‬
‫اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ‪ .‬ﻳﻘﻮم ﺑﺤﺴﺎب ا‪-.‬ﺣﻤﺎل ﻓﻰ ﻣﺴﺎﺣﺔ اﻟﺒ! ﻃﺔ اﻟـ ‪ Drop‬وﻳﻘﻮم ﺑﺤﺴﺎب ا‪-.‬ﺣﻤﺎل ﻟﻠﻤﺴﺎﺣﺔ‬
‫اﻟﺒﺎﻗﻴﺔ ﻣﻦ اﻟﺒ! ﻃﺔ وﺑﺎﻟﺘﺎﻟﻲ ﻓﺎن ردود ا‪-.‬ﻓﻌﺎل ﻋﻠﻰ ا‪-.‬ﻋﻤﺪة ﺗﻜﻮن ﻏﻴﺮ ﺻﺤﻴﺤﻪ‪.‬‬

‫وﻟﺤﻞ ﺗﻠﻚ اﻟﻤﺸﻜﻠﺔ ‪ .‬ﺑﺪ ﻣﻦ وﺿﻊ ا‪-.‬ﺣﻤﺎل اﻳﻀﺎ ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﺒ! ﻃﺔ اﻟـ ‪ Drop‬ﺣﺘﻰ ﻳﻌﻄﻰ اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ردود‬
‫أﻓﻌﺎل ﺻﺤﻴﺤﻪ‪.‬‬

‫ﺑﻔﺮض أن ﻟﺪﻳﻨﺎ ﺑ! ﻃﻪ ﻓ! ت ﺳ! ب ﺳﻤﻚ ‪ ٢٠٠‬ﻣﻢ ﺑﺄﺑﻌﺎد ‪ ٦*٦‬ﻣﺘﺮ ﻣﺮﺑﻊ وﺗﻢ ﻋﻤﻞ ﺑ! ﻃﻪ ﻣﻦ ﻧﻮع‬
‫‪ Drop‬ﺑﺴﻤﻚ ﻛﻠﻰ ‪ ٢٥٠‬ﻣﻢ واﺑﻌﺎد ‪ ٣*٣‬ﻣﺘﺮ ﻣﺮﺑﻊ وﺗﻢ ﺗﻮﺻﻴﻒ ﺣﻤﻞ ﺣﻰ ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﺒ! ﻃﻪ اﻟﻔ! ت ﺑﻘﻴﻤﺔ‬
‫‪ ٢‬ﻛﻴﻠﻮ ﻧﻴﻮﺗﻦ‪/‬م‪٢‬‬
‫أو‪ : .‬ﺣﺴﺎب رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ ﻋﻠﻰ ا‪-.‬ﻋﻤﺪه ﻧﺘﻴﺠﺔ اﻟﻮزن اﻟﺬاﺗﻰ ﻟﻠﺒ! ﻃﺎت‪:‬‬
‫∗‬ ‫∗‬
‫! ∗ ‪∗ .‬‬ ‫‪! "#‬‬
‫‪%, -‬‬ ‫∗‬ ‫∗‬
‫! ∗! ‪∗ .‬‬ ‫‪! . ! "#‬‬
‫! ‪!'! .‬‬ ‫‪. ! "#‬‬
‫! ‪.‬‬
‫‪$‬‬ ‫‪, .‬‬ ‫‪)&. ( "#‬‬
‫)‬ ‫)‬

‫ﻣﻦ اﻟﺼﻮرة اﻟﺴﺎﺑﻘﺔ ﺑﻌﺪ ﺣﻞ اﻟﻤﻮدﻳﻞ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻧﺴﺨﺔ ‪ CSI ETABS V17.0.1‬ﺗﺒﻴﻦ أن ﺑﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ا‪ .‬ﻳﺘﺎﺑﺲ‬
‫ﻗﺎم ﺑﺤﺴﺎب اﻟﻮزن اﻟﺬاﺗﻰ ﻟﻠﺒ! ﻃﺎت ﺑﻄﺮﻳﻘﻪ ﺻﺤﻴﺤﺔ وﺑﺎﻟﺘﺎﻟﻰ ﺣﺴﺎب رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ ﻋﻠﻰ ا‪ .‬ﻋﻤﺪه ﻃﺒﻘﺎ‬
‫ﻟﻠﺤﻞ اﻟﻴﺪوي‬
‫ﺛﺎﻧﻴﺎ‪ :‬ﺣﺴﺎب رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ ﻳﺪوﻳﺎ ﻋﻠﻰ ا‪-.‬ﻋﻤﺪه ﻧﺘﻴﺠﺔ وﺿﻊ ا‪-.‬ﺣﻤﺎل اﻟﺤﻴﺔ اﻟﺨﺎرﺟﻴﺔ ﻋﻠﻰ‬
‫اﻟﺒ! ﻃﺔ اﻟـ ‪ Base slab‬ﻓﻘﻂ‪:‬‬
‫**‬ ‫‪∗ .‬‬ ‫‪& "#‬‬ ‫**‬ ‫∗‬ ‫‪. "#‬‬
‫**‬ ‫‪& "#‬‬
‫**‬ ‫&‬
‫‪$‬‬ ‫‪, .‬‬ ‫‪( "#‬‬
‫)‬ ‫)‬
‫وﺑﺎﻟﺘﺎﻟﻰ رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ ﻋﻠﻰ ا‪-.‬ﻋﻤﺪه ﻳﺴﺎوي ‪ ١٨‬ﻛﻴﻠﻮ ﻧﻴﻮﺗﻦ وﻫﻮ اﻟﻤﻔﺮوض ﻣﺎ ﻳﻘﻮم ﺑﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ا‪ .‬ﻳﺘﺎﺑﺲ‬
‫ﺑﺤﺴﺎﺑﻪ وﻋﻨﺪ اﻟﺤﻞ ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ﻧﺠﺪ وﺟﻮد ﺧﻄﺄ ﻓﻰ ﺣﺴﺎب رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ ﻋﻠﻰ ا‪-.‬ﻋﻤﺪة ﻛﻤﺎ ﻳﻠﻰ‪:‬‬

‫ﻣﻦ اﻟﺼﻮرة ﻧﺠﺪ أن اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ﻗﺎم ﺑﺤﺴﺎب رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ ﻋﻠﻰ ا‪-.‬ﻋﻤﺪه ﺑﻘﻴﻤﺔ أﻗﻞ ﻣﻦ اﻟﻘﻴﻢ اﻟﻤﺤﺴﻮﺑﺔ‬
‫ﻳﺪوﻳﺎ وﻫﻮ ﻣﺎ ﻳﺆﻛﺪ وﺟﻮد ﻣﺸﻜﻠﻪ ﻓﻰ اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ﺣﻴﺚ أن اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ﻗﺎم ﺑﺎﻟﻐﺎء ﻗﻴﻤﺔ ا‪-.‬ﺣﻤﺎل اﻟﺤﻴﺔ ﻓﻰ‬
‫ﻣﻨﻄﻘﺔ اﻟﺒ! ﻃﻪ اﻟـ ‪ Drop‬وﺑﺎﻟﺘﺎﻟﻰ ﻗﺎم ﺑﺤﺴﺎب رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ ﺑﻘﻴﻤﺔ ﻏﻴﺮ ﺻﺤﻴﺤﻪ ﻛﻤﺎ ﻳﻠﻰ‪:‬‬
‫**‬ ‫∗‬ ‫∗‬ ‫‪!) "#‬‬
‫**‬ ‫)!‬
‫‪$‬‬ ‫‪, .‬‬ ‫‪. ! "#‬‬
‫)‬ ‫)‬
‫وﻟﻠﺘﻐﻠﺐ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺗﻠﻚ اﻟﻤﺸﻜﻠﺔ ﻓﻰ اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ‪ .‬ﺑﺪ ﻣﻦ ﺗﻌﺮﻳﻒ اﻟﺤﻤﻞ اﻟﺤﻲ ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﺒ! ﻃﻪ اﻟـ ‪Base slab‬‬
‫وﻛﺬﻟﻚ ﺗﻌﺮﻳﻒ اﻟﺤﻤﻞ اﻟﺤﻲ أﻳﻀﺎ ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﺒ! ﻃﻪ اﻟـ ‪ Drop‬ﺣﺘﻰ ﻳﻘﻮم اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ﺑﺤﺴﺎب رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ‬
‫ﺑﻄﺮﻳﻘﺔ ﺻﺤﻴﺤﺔ ﻛﻤﺎ ﺑﺎﻟﺼﻮرة اﻟﺘﺎﻟﻴﺔ‪:‬‬

‫وﻋﻨﺪ ﺣﻞ اﻟﻤﻮدﻳﻞ ﻣﺮة أﺧﺮي واﻳﺠﺎد رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ ﻧﺠﺪ اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ﻗﺎم ﺑﺤﺴﺎب رد اﻟﻔﻌﻞ ﺑﻄﺮﻳﻘﺔ ﺻﺤﻴﺤﺔ‬
‫ﻣﺜﻞ اﻟﺤﻞ اﻟﻴﺪوي ﻛﻤﺎ ﻓﻰ اﻟﺼﻮرة اﻟﺘﺎﻟﻴﺔ‪:‬‬
‫ﻋﻨﺪ ﺗﻌﺮﻳﻒ ﺗﻔﺲ اﻟﻤﻮدﻳﻞ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺑﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ا‪ .‬ﻳﺘﺎﺑﺲ ا‪ .‬ﺻﺪار ‪ CSI ETABS V20.3.0‬ووﺿﻊ ا‪-.‬ﺣﻤﺎل‬
‫اﻟﺤﻴﺔ ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﺒ! ﻃﺔ ال ‪ Base slab‬ﻓﻘﻂ ﻗﺎم اﻟﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ﺑﺤﺴﺎب ردود ا‪-.‬ﻓﻌﺎل ﺑﻄﺮﻳﻘﺔ ﺻﺤﻴﺤﺔ ﻃﺒﻘﺎ‬
‫ﻟﻠﺤﻞ اﻟﻴﺪوى ﻛﻤﺎ ﻳﻠﻰ‪:‬‬

‫اﻟﺨ! ﺻﺔ‪:‬‬
‫ﻳﺘﻢ ﺗﺨﺼﻴﺺ ا‪-.‬ﺣﻤﺎل ﻋﻠﻰ ﺑﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ ا‪ .‬ﻳﺘﺎﺑﺲ ﻓﻰ ﺣﺎﻟﺔ وﺟﻮد ﺑ! ﻃﻪ ‪ Drop slab‬ﻛﻤﺎ ﻳﻠﻰ ﻃﺒﻘﺎ ﻟﺮﻗﻢ‬
‫ا‪ .‬ﺻﺪار ﻟﻠﺒﺮﻧﺎﻣﺞ‪:‬‬

‫‪CSI ETABS‬‬

‫‪Versions before 19.1.0‬‬ ‫‪Version 19.1.0 and newer‬‬

‫‪How to assign loads‬‬


‫‪Loads must be assigned to‬‬ ‫‪Loads assigned to base slab‬‬
‫‪base slab and dropped slab‬‬ ‫‪only‬‬

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