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>it’s one thing when the whole group is engaged in one conversation.
>In this case, I agree with you. You have to introduce yourself to
>everyone in the group. Anytime you break a conversation... your going
>to have to befriend ALL the girls that were in the conversation you just
>disturbed.
right
>From my experience though... it seems like
>most of the time the group gets segmented... For example, you have a
>group of 5 girls standing around in a club.... maybe 2 of the
>girls are having one conversation and another 2 girls in the group are
>having a different conversation and one of the girls is standing around
>looking bored.... When I’m moving around a club... I’ll naturally go
>right for the bored girl in the group just because she’s going to be the
>easiest to approach...
ok. that’s TOTALLY different. a "group" that has split into smaller groups.
in this case you are absolutely right and I would do the same thing. approach
the bored one or two so they eventually bring you into the group as a welcomed
member.
Girls that aren’t engaged in conversations are

>the easiest to approach. plus she’s my ticket in. **I know in my
>original post I said I go for the closest one in the group... but I
>meant the closest bored one(s)** When I do an approach such as this....
>RARELY will the other girls try to pull the girl away. Instead, it
>seems like it brings out the competitive spirit in the other girls...
>and then THEY will be the ones breaking OUR conversation and not the
>other way around.
that is true also. since you are entertaining their friends and chicks like to
see which one of them is the most attractive, they will come and try to woo you
also. plus they just like to gossip anyway so they will come over to see how
their girlfriend is doing and if she’s going to get any tonight :)
>I guess a good rule to follow is if you disturb a
>conversation... then you better befriend everyone that was in the
>conversation or they’ll become an ’obstacle’. I think that’s when you
>end up having the other girls pulling the girls away.
ok. I agree with your theory as re-stated 100%
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: orally inclined / Post 422
Re: orally inclined / Post 422
Subject: Re: orally inclined // view thread online

>Subject: orally inclined

>From: unc***y@my***.com [ safemail ]
>Date: Sat, 24 July 1999 12:33 AM EDT
>Message-id: <7nbfnm$5qj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>Man likes to please a woman...looking in se massachusetts, and RI.
WRONG FUCKING NG!
CARPET-MUNCHER
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Scouting report / Post 423
Re: Scouting report / Post 423
Subject: Re: Scouting report // view thread online

>Would you explain how you go about linking that to yourself? IOW, what do
>you do,
>so she realizes that there’s no such man around, and that you are the best
>option
>of those available.
>
>Thanks,
>Pablo
that’s the beauty of it all... you don’t have to do SHIT! she anchors to you
visually since she is looking at you as you describe this stuff to her.
I was talking to this chick last night and getting her to describe the guy she
called "the only guy I am willing to sleep with" she ended up saying "he’s a
sweetie... just like U :)" now... there is no way that she knows I am a
sweetie. what happened to her is that I ask her the right questions to get her
meta-stating ABOUT someone that makes her feel the way she likes to feel in
order to fuck. she thinks about and experiences the feelings, but WHO is she
talking to? ME. basically she gets confused and thinks she is feeling that way
about me when she is actually feeling that way about a guy that fucked her last
month or last year or the best or ate her out or whatever.
It’s the same thing with the "guy she likes in a bar" scenario. if she likes
HIM, but is talking to YOU, it probably means she doesn’t have the GUTS to
approach him fearing a rejection. you can get her to think about him all night
if you want, and he’ll remain a living fantasy to her. meanwhile... she is
getting horny in general AND you are the one making her feel the way she does.
just by being with you and seeing you and hearing you and touching you, she
gets these feelings... basically she transfers what she WANTS from the guy over
to you.
The other benefit of this style is that girls will admit their horny behavior
when you are NOT talking about yourself and you ARE talking about some movie
star or something... for instance:
me: what would you do if Keanu walked in here right now?

her: I would seduce him any way I can
me: what would you do to seduce Keanu?
next, she spills the beans about what she would do to convince a man she REALLY
WANTS to be with her.
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Re: Scouting report / Post 424
Subject: Re: Scouting report // view thread online

>I believe best approaches with most likelihood of success are off the
>dance floor (looks are important there).
>On the dancefloor the keys are
>1) Get some kino going.
>2) Dont stall
>3) Show personality (even though its loud)
dancing with a chick requires eye contact and sensual touching to be effective
for a PU. a girl wants to know that the guy she is dancing with moves in a
sexy fashion. she also wants to know how she will feel being covered by him
and touched by him. if you can touch her the right way where she can feel you,
but it’s not an aggressive sexual advance, she can decide if he likes you
physically or not. talking is good too, but talk so that you have to be close
to her because the music is so loud.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: This is fun!! / Post 425
Re: This is fun!! / Post 425
Subject: Re: This is fun!! // view thread online

> I actually am glad that I found you geeks. You little boy’s need
>Mommas hand to guide yours to your penises. And if you don’t like it
>blame Micky. When I get through e-mailing all my girl friends we are
>going to flood you losers right off the line. Imagine us helpless
>little women breaking off your little pricks that you think tittilate
>us so. Start playing with it because everyone of you couldn’t make it
>with a folded pillow. Neanderthals one and all.
any of you guys that believe this is a bitch are idiots. just try to calculate
the odds that some bitch named patty would stumble onto this NG after some guy
posts about her. get real. it’s obviously a guy from this NG trying to fuck
with you.
it is pretty funny watching you guys try to goad him into posting more bullshit
though :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: We all have our handicaps / Post 426
Re: We all have our handicaps / Post 426
Subject: Re: We all have our handicaps // view thread online

>How many women do you approach to get a number? How many numbers to get a
>meeting? How many meetings to get a lay?
>at 1) club 2) on the street.
It all depends on your style of weeding out chicks. If you are only
approaching girls for their bodies and you will fuck them regardless of their
minds or number of kids or whatever, then you are AIMING for 100% number
retrieval. however, if you are looking for something like a chick that is not
taken or not divorced or not as old as she is or doesn’t work as much... you
have to get to know her for a minute or two before you decide if you want her
number at all.
If your question is on the average, how many chicks do you approach before you
get one number it depends on the signs you look for BEFORE you approach a
chick. if you look for her to be interested in you, you will have a high
precentage. if you look only for what you want, you will run into the barrier
of what she wants A LOT... but you will approach more women so the lower
percentage of a higher number evens out. It also depends on your personality
and what you are offering a chick. I guarantee you the guy that says "I want
to take you to tavern on the green and on carraige rides in Central Park" will
get the number a higher percenatage than the guy that just likes her and wants
to meet her. So if you want to increase percentages, just make sure you SAY
you want to give the girl what she is missing.
This is a good question though. I will start to research what it takes to get
numbers... personally, I am not interested in numbers because if the chick
isn’t interested in me sexually AND seems like a good lay, I have no need to
call her in the first place and if she is interested, I’m going to try to
isolate her ASAP on the spot and see what I can do :)
As far as how many meetings to get a lay, I don’t see any reason NOT to get
laid on your first date with a chick. as long as you have explained to her
what you like from women, she should be willing to do that for you. if not,
you took the WRONG woman out :) OTOH, if you are talking about how many women
does one meet before one wants to fuck, it depends on how you present yourself.
If you present yourself as a guy that likes to fuck women, they will either
stay or leave. the ones that stay will get with it and the ones that leave...
fuck em they were a waste of your time anyway.
the whole question is vague, but you can tailor your style to achieve desired
results.
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Re: We all have our handicaps / Post 427
Subject: Re: We all have our handicaps // view thread online

>I could get digits from 90% of any girl I talked to who
>didnt have a BF just by going up to them and asking for it,
>(its really that easy, I have a box of numbers at home),
>but the prob was I would only end up hooking up with like 1
>out of ten.
very interesting craig. is this in a small town setting or big city? in NYC,
people are more paranoid and a 90% sussess ratio at getting numbers just by
asking for them means you look like Ken from the Barbie Doll collection or
something... whatever, 90% is astronomically incredible :) I suspect that is
in a more friendly setting like suburbs or something. not that I am doubting
you for an instant. Actually I am going to do an experiment. I am going to
cold-ask girls for their numbers and see what they say :) I need to bring
along a notepad and mark down their responses :)
also, how do you define "hooking up"? do you mean that you only got dates out
of 1 in 10? you only fucked 1 in 10? you only got along with 1 in 10? what?
>I dont think how often you can get a number is
>important, but how often you can get a quality number that
>gets you somewhere.
that starts with YOU I think. you have to have a specific idea of what you
will and will not tolerate from chicks that you will allow to hang with you.
if you weed them out in the beginning, you end up with a higher percentage of
good numbers. btw - what do they think you want their numbers for? do you
tell them you want to call them? do you tell them you’d like to ask them out
sometime? what is the pretense under which they are giving you the digits?
>Now that Ive started focusing on only
>getting quality numbers my ratio has gone up to about 1 out
>of 2, which still doesnt seem that good but Im working on
>it! Dont waste your time getting numbers from girls who
>arent giving you positive signals.
ok that’s what I was talking about earlier

>Its easy to get caught
>up in ego boosting number collections and contests, but
>around here a girl will give her number to just about
>anyone.
damn I should have read ahead... that’s what I was saying about suburbs vs
big-city :)
>Instead of cruising around the club trying to get
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>as many numbers as you can, spend a little more time (no
>more than 20 min...Thanks Mystery!) with each girl and try
>to get at least a kiss close to go with the number...Then
>you know she will be hot when you call.
right. you want to be the guy that she WANTS to call her, not just some guy
she met like she meets guys every day.
>Cold numbers dont
>mean shit unless you are REALLY good on the phone (Thanks
>Shade!).
I am really BAD on the phone. my tonality sucks and I am just not into A for
being sexy. I can convey personality and fun to no end, but as far as making
them hot, I keep it online or in-her-face.
A man’s GOT to know his limitations - Clint
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: I just don’t find you attractive .... yet / Post 428
Re: I just don’t find you attractive .... yet / Post 428
Subject: Re: I just don’t find you attractive .... yet // view thread online
>>I subscribe to your emotions follow biology theory and it quickly becomes "I
>>like this guy a lot and he is sexy and I am not getting laid... why don’t I
>try
>>him out... he has already proven that he’s not going to RUN SCREAMING out of
>my
>>life, and if it doesn’t work, we can still be friends."
>
>Right. It seems like you guys are pretty psycho to us when you do that
>hot and cold thing. First you can’t get enough of us, then you won’t
>even say hi?
that is odd. all I can say about that is that I am driven by instinct. the
only way I go hot and cold on chicks is when that drive to fuck you disappears.
I am not saying it disappears after the first time we have sex, but when it
goes, it’s OVER! It’s like having a box of ice cream... but just the box!
HAHAHAHA no more ice cream. I can’t speak for everyone, but the reason I
can’t get enough of a chick is that I feel different around them. I feel
horny. I feel attracted. it is different from relating to guys or
unattractive women. it is a rush like any other drug. Imagine drinking beer
and not getting high from it? what’s the point of that? when I lose that HIGH
of wanting to spend time with a chick, it’s just totally GONE! it’s not a
conscious decision, it’s based on biology and I have no CRAVING for you any
more. that’s just how it goes.
what I can’t understand is when guys are still attracted to chicks and just
turn off to them like that. that is pretty fucked up. I would like to know
why guys do that too. fuck that shit. as long as she’s still hot looking and
horny, she can hang with me ANYTME! :)
>Then you hear the conversations in the women’s room, or
>the gym or whatever....
>Woman 1: Saw so and so (guy she just slept with)...wouldn’t even say
>hi. Acted like a total dick.
>
>Woman 2: I told you he was a player!
>
>Woman 1: What a douchebag. he thinks he’s all that.
that’s something different from a player. being a player does NOT include
acting like you don’t know chicks all of a sudden. that’s some clubhouse
"watch me dis her" shit, or the guy has personal issues that he needs to
resolve within himself.
>Yeah, why not? ...and wouldn’t you rather be known as a person who
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: I just don’t find you attractive .... yet / Post 428
>behaves like a gentleman instead of a jerkoff? You will meet more

>women this way.
nope. it depends. if I am naturally an asshole, I need women around me that

accept that or at least tolerate it or maybe LOVE IT! It is too much trouble,
except for conniving one-night-stands, to ACT like something you are not.
trust me, I have tried it longer-term than a week and it wears you down... it’s
not worth it... just find another chick.
>Here’s a term from my neighborhood growing up.
>Yarblar. Know what it means? I still laugh when i think about it.
never heard of it
>>unfortunately SELENA is dead, so
>>I guess I won’t be committing to anyone :)
>
>There are a few more dark haired exotic types out there.
good point... I’ll get out my measuring tape and look for candidates :)
>At least you were a stand up guy.(so to
>speak.)
hey... I’ll be a stand-up guy for any LAY-DOWN CHICK! :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Lay report... / Post 429
Re: Lay report... / Post 429
Subject: Re: Lay report... // view thread online

>Oh!
>MrSex...you posted this earlier:
>
>"...you showed her that there would be NO
>REPERCUSSIONS from you taking something of hers and doing what you want
>with
>it... like her pussy later on."
>
>I fucking spit water all over my monitor and keyboard cause I started
>laughing. That last part was classic, man. Like it was just an
>afterthought or something. Fucking hilarious, dude!! Haha! You’re the
>man!
>
>
>Later!
>-IX
hahahaha
yeah man, it WAS an afterthought... but that’s how it works. what you do is
translated into other situations. the guy that says "um... excuse me... will
you dance with me" is most likely to ask her if he can fuck her and ask her
this and that... some women don’t want pathetic wimps like that. some women
ONLY like men that can take control, like I ONLY like women that feel horny
naturally and WANT to have sex. that’s the translation. you took her
cigarette now... when it comes to fucking, you’re going to take her and blow
her fucking mind... instead of asking her can you put your dick in and fucking
her missionary style and boring the fuck out of her. some women are looking
for a personality type that will bring EXCITEMENT into their lives at all
levels. that’s what you showed her... if you get with me, anything could
happen to you... and she accepted and liked it.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: LOOKS / Post 430
Re: LOOKS / Post 430
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>anyway, there is a bright side to all this. In my own little sadistic

>mind i know he is going to blow it because he is a skateboarder , pot
>smokin, drinkin, partyin fool that is into heavy drugs, and i can tell
>that she is VERY shy , and not into any of that.
this is your perfect opportunity, but you need to play it right. the move here
is to set her up with your friend. before you start complaining :) if you are
SURE she won’t like him, meet her under the guise of helping her to get to meet
him. find out stuff about her at your leisure and gather information for your
assault. then, if you can’t SS her before actually introducing her to him, do
it. she will love you for getting her a date with the guy she wanted and then
she will see that he is full of shit and you will be in there. plus you will
have all sorts of background knowledge on her that she would NEVER have given
you if you had approached her directly for a date. chicks love to confide in
people OTHER than their boyfriends. you will have information that your friend
will NEVER get. use it to your advantage and fill in the missing holes in her
life for her and you will have her by using her AND your friend.
>i probably am comming off as a bitter asshole physcho but the point is ,
>he is going to blow it because he don’t know what we all know and even
>tho he has his foot in the door with his looks, if you don’t have
>personality then thats as far as you get.
>c ya!!!!!!!!
>p.s. besides now that her friend has asked about him i can make my move
>and she can;t say she has a boyfriend or say she don’t want one!!!! man
>i am a sick bastard ha ha ha !!
yeah, but sick or not, if she doesn’t like YOU, you are fucking up trying to
get her. play the helpful human being role and ge to know her while she THINKS
you don’t want her. use her girlfriend too for that. you may end up in a
slumber-party threesome with the two bitches :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: How do I know he likes me? / Post 431
Re: How do I know he likes me? / Post 431
Subject: Re: How do I know he likes me? // view thread online

> American guys, please, tell me how do you behave when you like
>someone, especially when due to circumstances or shyness you cannot
>communicate verbally? What body language do you use (do you smile to
>the person, do you try to approach her/him or avoid her/him?). I’m
>totally lost. Please, help me.
>Olesia.
the guy you were after is probably a fag. forget him. otherwise, go stand
near him and say "hi" and look in his eyes. if he gets nervous, he’s not a fag
and you have a shot. if he looks confident and seems to LIKE the fact that you
are in his face, you may be in for a fucking :) if he doesn’t seem phased by
your presence at all, he’s not worth it. ask him what he does for fun, and if
he picks up the conversation, good. otherwise, leave him alone... one and
done... let him crawl back to you then get him for all his money and time :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: RE: OK, now I have a question for you guys. / Post 432
Re: RE: OK, now I have a question for you guys. / Post 432
Subject: Re: RE: OK, now I have a question for you guys. // view thread online
>If they have a husband or a boyfriend...shouldn’t they be wearing a ring

>or in some cases a braclet/neckclace/medallion etc.?
that’s a good point. there should be some familiar marking of the man’s
property :)
however, when I see a chick I like, the LAST fucking thing I’m looking at is
her hands. lots of times I come on to married women with big rocks on their
hands :) I’m like oops! then it’s up to her to call me back over as I’m
leaving her, but at this point, I would tell her forget it becaues all that
taken chick shit is too dangerous AND unnecessary :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? / Post 433
Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? / Post 433
Subject: Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? // view thread online

>As I walked by to use the restroom, I said, "So why are you two sitting
>out here near the mens’ room? Are you some sort of Guardians of Masculinity
>or something?" It got a laugh, and I spoke with them for awhile.
right here, you demonstrated personality. you just said to these two chicks
that you are meeting for the FIRST TIME that have NO IMPRESSION of you except
how you look "If I want to entertain you, I am going to dig into my goodie-bag
of witty statements and try to wow you with one" That is neither interesting
NOR sexy. yes, you got a laugh, but what exactly were they laughing AT? were
they laughing at the image you conjured in their minds of them guarding
masculinity? were they laughing at ANOTHER IN A SERIES of pathetic lines they
heard that night? were they laughing at the next guy that was going to try to
meet them when they both had boyfriends? were they laughing because they
identified with your sense of humor and were glad to meet a man whose mind
works the same as theirs? just because chicks are laughing doesn’t mean it’s
GOOD for you.
>The
>less attractive friend was more friendly, but I wanted to talk to the
>cuter one. It turned out she worked in social service type jobs, so
>I encouraged her to talk about her calling.
mistake. you should have entertained BOTH. consider that if the less
attractive one invites you out, her good looking friend is coming along too.
if you had talked to the lesser one, you could have ended up in a good
situation with the cuter one. besides, chicks can tell when their girlfriends
like you. they are more interested in NOT getting in those "you stole my man"
conversations and it’s worse for you. entertain both and you will end up with
the one you really want.
>Well, throughout the conversation, she talked quite a lot about what
>she did in her life, her love of helping people, etc. And she was
>polite and asked me what I was into, etc. So, verbally, she was
>conversational.
that gets you nowhere. some chicks jsut can’t say they don’t want to talk to
you. also, she is a humanitarian. she will talk to you in a club like she
will bandage a hurt dog in the street.
>However, she constantly looked over my shoulders, very rarely looking me
>in the eyes as we spoke. Kind of got the feeling of "I’m only talking to
>you until someone I really want to talk to comes along..."
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basically. very bad sign

>There wasn’t
>a "bitch shield" as such, but her variant on the "bitch sheild" was being
>nice and polite and conversational without actually being "present" while
>we talked.
that’s not a shield... it’s just a temporary mode. "I will not tell him to go
away as long as he doesn’t touch me and doesn’t hinder me from meeting a guy I
want to fuck tonight" if you had stayed long enough for her to see a potential
fuck over your shoulder, you would have been PROMPTLY EJECTED so the guy
wouldn’t think she was taken.
>So, what do you do when a woman is friendly and conversational, but not
>really _warm_, not engaging you, not really present in the conversation?
>D’ya think I ought’ve said "there’s a 9, I need to neg her"? Or can one
>neg after one notices she’s not really there?
if you are being ignored and you can stand that, try to get her number. in
general, if she’s not impressed with you and you can’t change her mind or
mental state in 20 minutes, you’re screwed. chicks know what they want and
it’s up to you to convinve her that you are NOT a geek and she wants you in her
life and she wants to sex you.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: What does "Do you have a girlfriend at the moment... / Post 434
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>What do you think the average girls motivation is when asking this question,
>given the way women tend to think. Is it safe to read into it at all?. Im
>not sure myself, sometimes ive asked this question to girls who I have no
>real interest in, just as a topic of conversation. Anyway, what do you guys
>think............
you can tell by how she acts when she asks you. I was badgering this chick
that drove my wing and me to a bar one time about what guys she liked here in
the bar. after a while, she finally said "what about you? why don’t we find a
girl for you in here?" Iknow that’s not the exact same thing, but she could
have said something that would have made me think of her as a potential sex
partner.
OTOH I was discussing relationships with another chick and she didn’t ask me
anything about MY relationships until she saw something in me that MADE HER
WANT TO KNOW. when she asked "are you seeing anybody?" it was obvious that she
was adding me into the list of potential suitors. I could tell by her level of
interest and the look on her face that it was not just a fact-finding question.
in general, you have to assess where you are with the chick. if you have given
her reason to like you and she asks for more information about you, she is
probably sizing you up and is interested in kissing you, but she is figuring
out the long-term consequences of her actions. if it is just an out of the
blue, unconnected statement, it’s probably nothing.
I don’t ask chicks about that because of the cascade of questions that follows.
how long since you’ve been in a relationship, why not, how did you break up,
what are you looking for..... unless I’m willing to travel that path, I don’t
bring it up at all :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: What to do if guys are trying to fuck up your sty... / Post 435
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>As far as you are concerned the girl has to be entertained by you. If
>she sees other guys as being more confident and more entertaining she
>most certainly will excuse herself to the bathroom or the bar to hook up
>with them later.
>
>That’s why its important to work quickly so that you do not take more
>time than is necessary to secure a chick (take her home or spend some
>quality KINO time with her on the couch/dancefloor somewhere).
>Getting numbers on their own is unreliable.
that’s the most important thing. speed. there needs to be speed in your
seduction. I missed a great op the other day. I was at my friend’s office and
this chick came out of nowhere to give my friend some materials and saw me and
introduced herself. I said hi and I could see in her eyes that she liked me
already. I wasn’t really concerned so I really wasn’t in full attack mode. I
started talking to her about vacations and giving her the whole "we are so
alike" lines... after a while (oh my friend had left us in his area) I had
decided that I liked her and wanted to know more about her and was willing to
take her to coffee... but I didn’t say that :) I fucking thought I had all the
time in the world, then a friend of hers passed by then another and another.
suddenly I’m in this GROUP of people that know each other and I was like oh
shit! :) I had gone from a perfect extraction to a group where I couldn’t
inconspicuously extract her again. the reason I couldn’t was it was my
friend’s job and I didn’t want to make any waves for him. she was still in the
group when we left for lunch (she had already gone is why we didn’t invite her
along) and gave me a nice look as she was telling me bye and she hoped to see
me around :) fuck! no matter... I’ll get my friend to bring her out some
other time.
the point is just what you were saying. there is a need for speed. at any
time, her bus could come or her train stop could come or her ex-boyfriend could
come or her CURRENT boyfriend could come... your stage could change DRASTICALLY
and immediately. as soon as you decide you want her, let her know you would
like to see her again and get her number, or if you think you can get her that
day... extract her from random occurances ASAP
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Group Openers? / Post 436
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>After about 1-1/2min of this, the Sumo Wrestler UG does an

>interrupt. I’d just asked another question (to nobody in particular), 8
>answers, relays message (she might have been a bit thick), and Sumo, before
>8 has stopped talking, cuts in and starts talking to her about something
>they’d done earlier in the day. What a fucking ignorant bastard! I stalled,
>but didn’t stall (I mean I hadn’t approached, not even moved an inch.) I
>tried to figure a way back in, gave ’em a minute or so to return to convo,
>then just turned my back.
>Next thing, Mr B, who obviously knew them, appears entirely ignores me (well
>I suppose I was an obstacle to him) & takes the remaining seat at the table.
>What did I do wrong guys?
I read ahead to Nathan’s post because I was stumped here too. I think his
advice was on-point. you had already violated the group rule by approaching
the target first. the rules of engagement were different because of this.
also, in this trio, the target was clearly superior to the UGs and therefore
the leader. you had the leader’s attention and should have kept it. Once you
get your hands on the leader/target, try to extract her. if you can’t
extract... at least keep her attention on you. by trying to involve the
others, you gave her a reason (in her mind) to turn to them and talk... one too
many times and it backfired on you. Once you get to the target you have to
concentrate on getting her in love with you or whatever the goal is. there is
no room for distractions of any kind... thus the disarm obstacles theory and
the reason WHY you approach the UGs FIRST and get them out of the way so they
don’t FEEL LIKE cock-blocking you like they did.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: OK, now I have a question for you guys. / Post 437
Re: OK, now I have a question for you guys. / Post 437
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>There is only one place I don’t wear my rings, and its Karate, because
>its forbidden for obvious reasons. This happens also to be the place
>that prompted the question.
>
>Kate
in that case, just tell the guy
"I’m flattered, but I’m married"
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: MY Club report / Post 438
Re: MY Club report / Post 438
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Post Date: July 24th, 1999 09:00:00 PM (EDT)
>
>so basically I wasnt able to get a SINGLE dance, after appraoching at
>least 7 chicks to dance
>after noticing that most chicks were either dancing either with other
>chicks or male friends i said forget it and just observed. I noticed
>that there was VERY LITTLE "dirty dancing" as to say.
>
>so that was my first experience at a club, i just turned 20 btw.
>comments please? experiences?
here’s a tip SB.
I USED TO go to culture club when it was Rock Ridge Saloon.
YOU WILL NOT BREAK INTO GROUPS OF CHICKS IN THAT CLUB!
it won’t happen, trust me. this is how that club works.
there are regulars and there are others. the regulars associate with the
regulars and THAT’S IT! of course there is an exception to every rule, but
that club is a particular BALL-BUSTER!
matter of fact, that’s where I made up my staring at the chicks dancing style.
PRECICELY BECAUSE you can’t get dances there :) I was like FUCK THESE
BITCHES... if they want to dance with each other and ACT like they’re lesbos,
damn straight I’m going to watch them do it right in their faces. That’s where
it started, on the second floor of that club when I was chilling with my wings
bored as fuck. I was like fuck it. if they don’t want to dance, this is going
to be my personal strip club :)
this is how you get girls in that club. FORGET ABOUT DANCING! you have to
hang out there and figure out who the regulars are. befriend some of the
REGULAR guys that you see socializing with the REGULAR chicks. next, use those
guys for the introduction... THEN you’ll have your pick for dancing or whatever
else.
strictly by ACCIDENT, as we were minding our own business, a REGULAR chick made
contact with my wingman. it was all her idea and we both saw it and he went
over and started talking to her. her friends were with her and paid us NO
ATTENTION... I mean they even SAW their girlfriend talking to my friend and
still wouldn’t smile at him or anything... so that night, my wing met ONE
REGULAR chick.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: MY Club report / Post 438
we went back the next week, and LO AND BEHOLD who walks in? the same REGULAR
chick. she walks in with 3 chicks that totally ignored us last week. she
looks at my friend and recognizes him. all they did the week before was chat
for like 2 minutes... no kiss no number no rap... nothing. her face LIGHTS UP
and she yells HI to my wing then comes over and hugs him and they kiss each
other on the cheek, then she looks at me and says hi and kisses me on the cheek
too. I didn’t meet her at all the week before. her DUMB ASS BITCHES looked
particularly confused since they didn’t recognize us since they had ignored us
since we weren’t regulars :) I saw a purplexed look on the closest one’s face
and she turned to another one like "who are they?" her girlfriend didn’t know
so they both shrugged their shoulders and came over to us and smiled big and
kissed us on the cheek and hung out with us. no rap by us, no nothing.
because ONE REGULAR chick accepted us, we immediately got three other REGULARS
and used them to dance with and show off to the other regulars THEN we were
REGULARS although we had been going to that bar for weeks before that :(
if you go next week, report and tell me if I am right or not. watch all the
bitches want to dance with other bitches in groups of 2 or 3. then you have
the chicks that will sit on the "bleachers" all night... fuck them too :) the
only way to score big at that club... short of walking in with dicaprio is to
get to be a regular by being seen with REGULAR chicks there. still, it is
cliqueish. that won’t get you down with everyone, but if you meet the right
girl, you will be attached to a nice CORE of chicks that you can count on to
boost your rep every week.
That is NOT to say that we never got on independently. we could get on with
chicks that also were not regulars because they didn’t subscribe to the RULES
of that club as they seemed to be :) I’m talking about the girls that you see
EVERY WEEK dancing with themselves and tons of guys trying to dance with them
and they ignore the guys or leave for another area... they will even COME AND
GET YOU so they can dance with you and avoid non-REGULARS :)
BTW - does the tap beer still taste like chalk? :(
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: (Real) chick logic humor stories! / Post 439
Re: (Real) chick logic humor stories! / Post 439
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>Chick Logic Humor!

>
>Here a few humourous instances of all too common "chick logic"
>(fucked up logic that makes sense only to chicks) that I have
>encountered recently. Enjoy... its all real BTW... ;-)
I have to say up front... thus was some of the funniest and most on-point shit
I have heard to date from this NG :)
>1)I invite a chick over for supper. She refuses and says she is
>busy as she has an appointment with her friends that evening,
>but lunch is okay. She comes over, we have lunch and I
>lay her. She ends up spending the night. I ask her the next morning
>what happened to her friends and night appointment. She replies
>that she didn’t really have an appt, but just that if she came
>over for supper, she would probably have slept with me.
>
>I told her, "but you came over for lunch and slept with me anyways.."
>Chick replies "that was different, because I didn’t expect that!"
not exactly the same, but
I tell a chick that I want her to come over to strip for me and have some fun
;) she declines my DIRECT OFFER OF SEX! I told her specifically what I wanted
to do when she came over and she DECLINED. Instead, we go out to a bar for
lunch. She gets shitfaced and we go back to her place and do everything I
wanted to do except for stripping!? WHAT THE FUCK? it was no more than three
hours between the phone conversation and us making out (delay due to time for
lunch and drinking etc.) you would think that by her disinterest in coming to
my house and fucking that she didn’t want to fuck at all :) I think she was
suffering from that "chick thing" where if she replied to a direct offer, she
is a SLUT, and if it happens by some SUPERNATURAL MAGIC (read:alcohol), it is a
wonderful thing and she is NOT a slut.
and for those of you that will attempt to argue that she didn’t know what she
was doing... she knew what I wanted, so she SHOULD have takens steps NOT to get
drunk and fuck if that’s what she really wanted. PLUS I stayed over at her
house and we had breakfast then I dropped her off at work and everything was
regular.
that "I didn’t expect it" shit is a bitch isn’t it? you can’t DIRECTLY tell a
chick to fuck but if she gets SWEPT AWAY in the moment, it’s fine :) that’s
why we are here... to learn how to SWEEP THEIR ASSES AWAY by design ;)
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>2)I lay Ms. Kinky (remember her?..see lay report), and I ask her her
>phone number.
>She gives me her portable number, and tells me she doesn’t have
>a regular home phone (many people dont actually, in Japan). I lay
>her a few more times, then I spend a night at her place. She has
>a home phone there.
hahaha I have a quasi-similar idiot chick story like that. I met a chick in
the subway and requested her number. she gave me her pager number under the
pretense that she has no home phone. I page her the next day and she calls me
OBVIOUSLY from inside an apartment :) I set her up saying "Where are you, your
sister’s house?" she says "NAH... I’m at home."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fucking crash test dummy!

>I ask her why she didn’t tell me the truth. She replies that there
>are many people you can’t trust out there, and her friends told her
>to not give her phone number to people she didn’t know well because
>you can never know what might happen.
>
>I reply jokingly "oh, I see, so then you always let people you don’t
>know tie you up and fuck you, and you spend nights in their places
>on the first night out,, who you don’t trust enough to give them your
>phone number because your friends told you to be careful of strangers
>and what might happen to you".
that’s the fucking truth man... it’s ridiculous :/ hahahaha. it’s like they
think "do what you want to me one time, but I don’t want you to have the option
of doing it ever again, because receiving multiple phone calls from you and
possibly having to change my number is way worse than potential rape or death
:) fucking idiots :)
>She replied a joking grin back, and gave me her home number.
>
>3)A chick I know who is just a friend in another city. I am going
>to that city, and ask to stay at her place. She tells me she has
>to ask her out of town BF first before I can stay there, because
>she will feel guilty if she doesn’t and some shit about trust in
>her relationship with her BF.
>
>She asks the BF, its ok, and I get the invite 2 days later and I
>show up that week. That evening when we are talking, she tells me
>she is fucking another guy behind her BF’s back on weeknights when
>the regular BF is travelling on business.
>
>I didn’t even ask about why she had to ask permission to her ’reg’
>about me then. ;-)
I have your answer to that one. she has an understanding with the EXTRA guy.
he knows how to play it when the BF calls so there is no reason to worry.
since you and she are friends, she would feel bad having to SUDDENLY kick you
out if he came over unexpectedly. plus she probably fucks other places than
her place with the extra guy. plus people might have seen you and her coming
out of her place together and she needed to cover her tracks... if someone sees
YOU and tells the BF, then he’s going to be suspicious and eventually catch her
and her extra... then again... I am a guy... I use logic... never mind :)
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truthfully, I think the reason is that she was willing to ADMIT that you were
there and NEVER ADMIT that the extra guy was ever there. I am (even though I
claim to be quitting) over chicks houses all the time when they ignore their
BFs calls when they see him on call waiting :) or I lay there trying not to
SNEEZE while she tells her BF some bullshit lies about where she was all day
and who she was with and WHY she doesn’t feel like going out with him tonight
:)
>So there you go, chick logic humor for the night ;-)
tremendous man... I don’t know why I didn’t start a thread on ridiculous

inconsistancies from chicks. I guess I am so used to it that I don’t even
consider it abnormal when they do wacky shit :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Charlie 7/24/99 (Kiss Close and #) / Post 440
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>((he’s still an AFC... but I’m teaching him... He had a girl come up to
>him tonight and get right in his face and say... "When are you going to
>take me out and buy me dinner?" He said "Whenever you want" I gave him
>shit about that one...))
he should have said:
"why should I take YOU out to dinner?" with a really sly grin on his face.
the idea is to make her understand that you are WILLING to take her to dinner
as a REWARD for something, but you are leaving it up to her what she is going
to do to deserve dinner. if she doesn’t come up with anything sexy, decline it
saying "nope, not enough" or something like that. if she says because she
looks good or something like that, say "yeah, but so does she and so does she"
for as many fine chicks as you can spot. then ask her again how she’s going to
seperate herself from the crowd. hold out for the sex! :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: hat To Do When She Calls Her Boyfriend "My Friend"? / Post 441
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>Anyway, I started talking with her, and it turned out she was rather
>smart, and damn interesting... quite a lot of depth to her. We talked
>for awhile, and had a great time, had some stuff in common. She also
>mentioned that she was "waiting for a friend." I was wondering if said
>friend was a boyfriend or not, but didn’t bring it up for awhile, just to
>make it seem not quite as important. A bit later, I said "I was wondering,
>this ’friend’ you’re waiting for your boyfriend?" to which she said yes, he
>was. Turned out they’d been going out for 7 months. Anyway, I made a joke
>of it "Ah, ought I to disappear so he doesn’t turn me into a bloody pulp
>for talking to his girlfriend?"
ok. FIRST OF ALL... this NG is ALL ABOUT LANGUAGE do not use your own
language to fuck yourself up. all you are doing with this "witty" comment is
placing the image in her mind of her BF standing VICTORIOUS over you as you lie
bloody on the floor. HOW ROMANTIC IS THAT? bitches want a prince charming,
not some sucker. really dude. be careful with your choice of words. how
about saying "I ought to disappear before he thinks I’m trying to whick you
away to bermuda with me for drinks on the beach" THAT sets up a FAVORABLE
image in her head of you and helps you get to the desired goal... fucking her.
now. she said it was her "friend" because friend gives you no information
about her life and
A) it’s none of your business WHO she is waiting for

B) it’s none of your business what her relationship is to who she is waiting
for
C) she felt comfortable relating to you so she didn’t need to HIDE behind a BF
if she wanted to reject you.
D) it’s possible that she was giving you a CHANCE to NOT KNOW she had a
boyfriend and try to get her for yourself :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: How can I handle "are you seeing someone else?" ?? / Post 442
Re: How can I handle "are you seeing someone else?" ?? / Post 442
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>How can I handle "are you seeing someone else?" ??
I read ahead a little. it all depends on WHO YOU CREATE YOURSELF TO BE! it
all depends on the character you make up and play out in front of the girl.
you have to decide this after eliciting her values though. once you decide it,
you need to play that role.
for instance, the role I play if I don’t know ANYTHING about a chick is I just
have female friends and hang out with them whenever we both feel like it...
never mentioning anything about sex. that leaves it open for her to become a
FRIEND like the rest or try for more in which case she will have to convince me
of her skills :)
>Here is a question that comes up now and then, looking
>for you guy’s/gal’s opinions on how to handle it..
>
>I am laying a chick. I like laying her and want to continue to.
>After a couple times, she will ask me if I am seeing someone else.
>(my hunch is that when I am out of the bedroom for a moment, she
>snoops it, and finds "evidence" (hairs, whatever...)).
>
>Usually, I ask her why she asks and she gives me some bullshit
>fake reason, and then I end up having to directly lie to her
>and say "no", and some various bullshit.
why do you ask? HAHAHAHAHAHA that’s not valid at all hahahahaha. how much of a
LIAR do you look like as you stall for time with "why do you ask?" hahahaha
that’s what I mean. you have to KNOW who you are to this chick. you have to
remember at all times in the back of your mind that you are "seeing" 5 chicks
but are not fucking any of them or you are seeing one other chick and fuck her
EVERY NIGHT THAT THIS ONE ISN’T FUCKING YOU :) you get different results. if
you say you know more but aren’t fucking them, she feels special, but she knows
that they are waiting in the wings so she NEEDS to not fuck up :) if you say
you ARE getting laid when she’s not there, she will either try to hold out on
you which would be foolish... OR she will want to have you all to herself, in
which case you explain that you have this tremendous sexual appetite and need
to get it every night.. if she wants to be there for you every night, you will
cut the other one off for her. she gets the option of upping her sexual
performance in order to get an "exclusive" relationship.
>Now of course, my expectation is that she will keep snooping and
>try to find some more "evidence" and generally be a pain asking
>where I was all the time from then on, and be suspicious,
>and blah blah.
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so what? it’s none of her business

>In my only instance of telling the truth the answer to this question
>once last year (on a chick I was looking to blow out anyways ;-) ),
>she freaked out, and I never saw her again..so I guess the truth
>is not the right way to go if you want to keep the chick..
see above. if she is the competitive type, she will increase her time with you
to weed out the other bitches. besides it’s HER FAULT that she’s in this
situation. she should haev asked that BEFORE fucking you if it meant that much
to her.
>So far the only way I have found that works, is say "no, not seeing
>anyone", then
>be the absolute ideal guy for her for about 2 weeks, then send
>her a sayonara email saying that I met a new girl and that since
>I am not a player I have to break up with her (chick A) now since
>I dont believe in playing girls behind other’s back...blah blah
>
>Then she will plead how she loves me and blah blah, and she wants
>to see me anyways.. Then I reply that I am not commited to
>the new chick yet and I am really confused, so we can still meet,
>but the rules are that she cannot ask me where I am, and snoop
>the house and stuff like that, and rather she just enjoy our time
>together... Then I continue meeting chick A like before..
that’s a pretty good style :) I like it. I am into speed and action so I
can’t wait two weeks for SHIT :) but I understand the idea behind it and it is
good. I still prefer the casual relationships angle with her being the sexual
one out of them... that way she can’t prove whether you were at the movies with
your FRIEND or fucking... or... at the movies fucking :)
>That seems to work for a while, and then she cant bear all the
>suspicion and asks me again several weeks later, and then I
>follow the above routine
>again and get peace again for a while..but eventually I get sick of
>the latent suspicion (which I can sense from her), and
>blow out the chick because its too much shit..
I avoid suspicion by letting chicks know that I’ll fuck any chick that I feel
attracted to that wants me. kind of a male slut angle. it’s not my fault. I
live women too much to settle :) for me, since my initial angle with them is
friendship and we share information about each other, they know how I feel
about women in general so that if they let me get my hands on them, they know
what is going to happen and they know what it means to me. they can’t complain
about exclusivity because they got with a guy that was only out for fun to
begin with :) it is also FANTASTIC for quoting purposes.
I like to quote my own sexual experiences with the other chicks I’m seeing (no
names of course or she would be afraid that I would tell HER business in the
streets with her name attached to it) to the girl I’m with at the time. she
thinks about the situations with me fucking and I get to tell her how I like
sex and talk all this shit and she can also remember us being together and it
gets really hot really quickly. Then again, I am the joker, I am the bad boy.
no chick EXPECTS me to be faithful to her anyways. it’s gonna be a bitch when
I want to get married... but until then...
>So I am still looking for other/better ideas
>(that work) on how to handle this and have a (very high) chance of
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>keeping the chick, and the other chicks I am doing too without
>freak outs, and chicks leaving..
>
>An option would be to somehow find out first if the chick minds
>if I do other women before I lie to her, not sure how to go about
>it though, even though in almost all cases, chicks mind about this..
>
>Any opinions from other players (or chicks) who have gotten over
>this hurdle on how to handle this question/issue when it comes up?
just leave the fucking part out. let her be as suspicious as she wants. you
have friends and you spend time with them. still... play her on an angle of
"you aren’t always there for me when I need you" so that she feels like the
reason that she doesn’t have your full committment is her neglect of her sexual
duties :)
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Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? / Post 443
Subject: Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? // view thread online

>>were they laughing because they

>>identified with your sense of humor and were glad to meet a man whose mind
>>works the same as theirs? just because chicks are laughing doesn’t mean
>it’s
>>GOOD for you.
>
>The way they laughed made it seem like they appreciated my sense of humor.
>Of course, as you say, you never know. I thought, as Mystery has said,
>that one SHOULD demonstrate personality. You think this was a bad
>demonstration
>of it?
no. I think it was a GOOD demonstration... WHAT YOU DEMONSTRATED was bad. not
really bad, but useless. in general you want to do two things
A) say things that make you look better, smarter, sexier... whatever she is
looking for in a man.
B) SHUT THE FUCK UP!
any lateral statements that don’t make you look better are useless. any
backwards statements like "before your BF turns me into a bloody pulp" are
self-destructive. you are putting yourself in a bad light to HER and most
importantly... to YOURSELF :(
>>that gets you nowhere. some chicks jsut can’t say they don’t want to talk
>to
>>you. also, she is a humanitarian. she will talk to you in a club like she
>>will bandage a hurt dog in the street.
>
>Ha! Interesting way of looking at it. ;-)
I’m telling you dude. after a while of sarging, you’ll learn the difference
between a chick that is NOT telling you to leave... and a chick that WANTS YOU
to stay. it looks the same, but has DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT effects on your PU
ability.
>I couldn’t
>believe the "I’m going for the best thing I can get" attitude of both the
>men AND the women there. I’ll definitely have to get a really thick skin
>if I want to try to succeed at all in this environment. It was surreal,
>almost!
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that’s what it’s all about. everyone THINKS they deserve the best :) some
people actually try to get it! I like to scope out a place entirely then make
a list of the chicks I want in attractiveness order. then I make my way down
the list. I go for the most attractive FIRST in case she goes for it and I
have to leave with her... no point in leaving with the LEAST attractive chick
so you can spend your time wondering if you could have gotten the best one :)
that’s on action nights though. if I am just talking to chicks, the order
doesn’t matter except for the fact that any one of them could leave at any
time. in that case, I pick them off at the highest percentage ops, regardless
of where they fall numerically on my list.
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>Pardon me, but I once posted something better. The story

>of that girl who (among other things) told me she could’nt
>have sex with me (while we were "dating") bc she just broke
>up with her bf of 4 y ... and then afterwards I learn that
>in the mean time she’s had sex with several guys ...
>
>And when I act surprised on it ... guess what ... it’s my
>fault, me egotistic bastard! ;-) Bwaaaah ah ah.
no. THAT’S NOT FUNNY :(
that’s called a bitch playing you out with a bullshit line. If I understand
you correctly that she said TO YOU that she didn’t want to fuck and was
meanwhile fucking other guys, that’s a typical lie. that’s no lapse of memory
or reason. apparently she just didn’t want to fuck you and you let her get away
with it at the time.
unless of course I misunderstand :)
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>Really good advice, MrSex! That’s exactly how I see it,

>and your example is GREAT.
thanx
>1 - DON’T put yourself in a bad image/context
>2 - put her in a great picture frame with you
>
>Some good PUA I’ve met (I’ve reported about them) do just
>that -- they humorously talk about things like ’when will
>you marry me’, etcd ...
this is essential. once you elicit her values... IF what she wants is to be
married. talk about being married to her. she will get the images in her head
of being married to you and eventually FORGET that those images are there
because YOU put them there. she will see them as a product of her own mind and
feel like she wants to marry you. not that you are going to marry her, but it
is essential for her to believe you two can potentially live out her dream in
order for her to fuck you now. she is not going to fuck someone for nothing...
only if it is the start of a long and beautiful relationship... that you set up
in her mind for her.
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>
>I forgot to say -- it looks like the moral is: It doesn’t MATTER
>what she meant by it. Be informed of the possibilities, and forge
>ahead regardless. ;-)
>
>- Tim
EXACTLY. it makes no difference what she meant by just calling him a friend.
what matters is HOW she brought her boyfriend into the conversation and what
she MEANT for YOU to get from it.
For instance, I IM’d this chick earlier and we were chatting and I asked her
what she was going to do today and she replued:
"nothing... just waiting for my boyfriend to call me"
that tells me
A) she is not going anywhere with me today
B) she is not going anywhere with me TOMORROW
C) she is not going anywhere with me UNTIL SHE GETS DUMPED BY HER BOYFRIEND
I replied "ok" and closed her window and went on to the next chick.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: newbie post / Post 447
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>Time for pay back

>NYC would have more detailed advice i am sure.
yes I WOULD have much more detailed advice, but this guy is at STAGE 1. the
total beginning.
what you need to do Davo, is get on www.deja.com and go back a couple of months
and start reading through the posts THREAD BY THREAD!
you made SO MANY MISTAKES that I can’t even begin to tell you about them. it
is NOT your fault because I used to make them and daniel amd maniac and david
and greg1 and dan used to make them... we are all learning here from each
other, and we are in our senior year and you are a frosh.
read the threads man... you won’t regret it and you’ll NEVER be the consoling
chump that gets fed a bullshit line like "I don’t date men in the office".
that bitch would rather LIE TO YOUR FACE than tell you that she doesn’t find
you sexually attractive because you are a consoling wussy. if you confront her
now with "I thought you said you didn’t date men in the office" she has nothing
to say. she has to admit that she LIED TO YOUR FACE and that she considers you
a GIRLFRIEND rather than a MAN that can satisfy her sexually :(
’nuff said
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: no number / Post 448
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>Now, my main goal was the approach, so far so good. But what
>could I have done to acquire the phone number? (even
>if i had more time) Yeah I know,
>I shouldn’t have asked her name, and I shouldn’t have asked
>her number (supplication), but she was leaving. It went pretty
>well to the point where she asked
>my name and her brother interrupted. The music is too
>loud to use patterns, sometimes you have to say things 2 or 3
>times before the other one understands you...
your approach was fine. you didn’t give her ANY REASON to want to talk to you
ever again in this life. that’s what you have to do in your 10 minutes of
fame. you have to let her know that you are unique and the only way she is
going to be able to enjoy your company is to give you her number and please you
so you feel like rewarding her.
all those styles you mentioned are no good for you YET. memorize them and get
ready to use them, but those are for when guys are AHEAD of the game. you are
behind the game right now. concentrate on approaching and not being scared and
talking to the girl and showing her how you are different.
chicks love a good sense of humor. if you can make her laugh, you leap ahead
of MANY MANY CHUMPS who are so busy concentrating on being serious and fucking
her that they don’t make her have fun.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: no number / Post 449
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><--------This is the "umbrella defense" where she gives up everything but

>the goal line. Women are masters (mistresses?) of this technique. Don’t
>sweat it. You did nothing wrong except thinking you had an opportunity
>when none was there.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that’s absolutely right. You need to learn how to tell that what you are
talking about is BULLSHIT and not getting you any closer to the goal of fucking
her. You also need to learn how to read her to find out if you are making a
good impression or not.
>When you approach a woman, do it for anything but
>sex. The conversation should move to something that indicates she wants
>to get to know you better.
yeah. chicks resent that "he wants me just for sex" shit. unless she’s
interested in fucking you right there, leave sex out of it. act like you are
trying to get to know her as a person or something. by the end, you have to
have shown her that you are a guy she wants in her life from now on AND that
there is more that the two of you need to do together... some sort of
cliffhanger where she wants to get in touch with you again to find out more or
continue the conversation.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Mirrorname: Goofus, or Gallant? / Post 450
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>If Mirrorname and I had met at a bar or party, I’d have walked away
>thinking that he lacked the ego strength to recognize skill or
>expertise in a woman, and for that reason, would blow him off
>completely. Remember boys, Don’t do what Donny Don’t does.
>
>Kate
If I met you at a party... would you blow me off too?
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Wingmen screwups / Post 451
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>Everything was cool until my "wingman" decides to pull the 8 aside and
>offer some friendly advice about Mr. Identity_X. I don’t know what the
>fuck his problem was, but he just goes off and tells her about what a
>"jerk" I am and how I would just use her...and blah blah blah.
>Then...after she is good and confused...he moves in to tell her how
>great HE is and how HE’D never treat her like that. What kind of shit
>is that??
that was no wingman
that was a COMPETITOR
he obviously didn’t understand what was going on. the goal is for as many of
us as can to get fucked. the ones that can’t... better luck tomorrow night.
the ones that can... LEAVE THEM ALONE unless you know instinctively that they
need help the give it and get back out.
I had a WORSE situation happen to my wing. we got these chicks and left them
at my friend’s house while the house owner and I went to the store for goodies
:) meanwhile we had left ONE GUY with the chicks. he decided that even though
we had already divvied the chicks up and the house owner was getting the best
one and had been talking to her all the way home that he was going to fuck the
best one. he said almost EXACTLY what your friend said: "He doesn’t treat the
ladies right and I do... go with me instead of him" HAHAHHA as soon as we got
back, the best one informed the owner of what happened just before they fucked
:) I was rolling on the floor when I heard about his LAME attempt to get away
with that shit. We kept him as a wing because he was a cool guy and he
appealed to a particular segment of the chick population that the others of us
couldn’t so he was valuable for attracting chicks, but we NEVER left chicks
alone with him and if we did, we told them... now he is going to try to get you
when we leave... just so you know that :)
that guy needs to be dumped as a wing... you are doing the right thing.
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>You see, she’s a self-proclaimed "feminist". Therefore

>she is submissive in bed ;-)
interesting theory... I’ll try it out on Hillary
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>>>Kate
>>
>>If I met you at a party... would you blow me off too?
>
>Well Darlin’, that depends on your tude’.
>
>Kate
so what kind of attitude would I have to display to you to make you feel like
you want to blow me off?
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Cute / Post 454
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>Does anyone have any thoughts on this that might help me figure out
>whether I’m cute-attractive or cute-ugly.
>Thanks
IMO, cute means that someone is nice to look at. that does not mean SEXUALLY
ATTRACTIVE. if a chick says you are cute, she means that she likes to look at
your face. since faces are VERY important to chicks along with personalities,
that means that you will be able to hang out with her long enough to ply your
trade... talk your game. again, it does not mean that you are attractive. I
have heard chicks call brad pitt and keanu and dicaprio cute, but all three of
them have a DIFFERENT look.
cute has NOTHING to do with ugly though... UNLESS the chick is FISHING for
something to say about you, like we would say about an UG "she has a nice
personality" :) it’s all in the context.
chick 1: how about him over there?

chick 2: ooh, he’s cute :)
= GOOD FOR YOU
chick 1: isn’t that guy over there sexy?

chick 2: he’s cute.
= CONCESSION... BAD FOR YOU WITH CHICK 2
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Major KINO Breakthrough: Strip Clubs / Post 455
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>Why is it that in non-strip environments, Ross says NEVER ASK FOR

>ANYTHING, yet in a strip environment he or his students have said to
>"flash a wad of bills and give a pager number" (I think this was MrSex,
>so it might not be Ross).
nope. I don’t HAVE a pager, so I would never advocatre anyone GIVING a pager
number to a stripper or anyone else. I never said to flash a wad of bills
either. I MAY have said make the chicks THINK you are going to spend a lot of
cash on them, then don’t do it. I also said that if you don’t get a personal
number from a stripper/hooker/whatever that you are merely a customer.
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Re: Cute / Post 456

>Actually, my friends and I have referred to guys as "cute" in very

>complimentary ways.
that’s what I was saying

>Usually if we bother to say he’s cute we find him
>sexually attractive on some level, even if not for us, for another
>woman we know..."you should meet so and so...he’s pretty cute"
>(We are always scoping for our friends.)
that’s interesting. we had a thread on how women like to set their friends up
and how they like to imagine or see their girlfriends in sexual or dating
situations. it had something to do with Maniac’s "Mr Smooth" style.
that is also useful. we can use this for a pivot approach. instead of
approaching the chick for the date or the fuck or whatever, we could
potentially approach her as a guy that is LOOKING but not necessarily for HER.
in which case she would go into automatic set-him-up mode and become an ACTIVE
scout, recommending you to chicks and getting you laid by inviting you out with
girls that they think would like you.
>Sometimes if he’s really
>attractive we call him babe. Cute means appealling, maybe in an
>unusual way, but not necessarrilly. Cute is usually for men 30 and
>under...after that they become good looking or attractive, but it
>basically menas the same thing. I have never called a man sexy, since
>in my kind, sexy applies to females...you know, cleavage, glamour, all
>that stuff...just doesn’t seem like a very masculine word to me, so I
>never use it.
>
>Kate
hmm... men are not sexy but women are. so are you saying that females are the
sexual creatures and men are just along for the ride? I don’t really get where
you make the distinction OR what it really means. are you saying women are
responsible for creating sexual situations?
dunno
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>>>>>Kate
>>>>
>>>>If I met you at a party... would you blow me off too?
>>>
>>>Well Darlin’, that depends on your tude’.
>>>
>>>Kate
>>
>>so what kind of attitude would I have to display to you to make you feel
>like
>>you want to blow me off?
>
>Cute.
hehe ok so you finally got it :)

>If you really must know though, women like men who actually listen to
>them and are able to discuss things intelligently. Guys who must be
>right (no matter how uneducated they may be on a particular subject)
>may win the battle, but lose the war, as it were.
>
>Kate
good point. I’m not interested in being right. I’m interested in sexy women.
I will be wrong all night if I get laid for it.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Question to Mrsex4unyc ! / Post 458
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>I enjoy your posts very much and I want to ask you a few questions
>that will be very easy for you to answer.
thanks
>Would you give
>specific examples on how to accomplish the following tasks you
>mentioned in your posts:
> a) "You must know who you MUST BE to fuck her"
> How exactly do you achieve that?
it’s very basic really. instead of talking about bullshit with a chick or your
porsche or your yacht or your country club membership... ask her about herself.
what she wants what she likes what she thinks she needs what she deserves what
she had in the past what she wants to repeat what she wants to avoid what
scares her what makes her happy what makes her feel sexy...
do this BEFORE telling her about yourself. then selectively edit or FABRICATE
your existance to always it on things that she told you HERSELF are positive
things and AVOID what she told you HERSELF are negative things.
Let’s say she said she likes athletic guys that are smart. let’s say you have
your PHD, but you NEVER go to the gym and are really a wimp. Talk to her about
research or something that demonstrates you are intelligent (POSITIVE)
selectively NEGLECT to tell her that you never work out. instead, tell her you
are a member of such-and-such health club. this way she ASSUMES you work out.
don’t admit that you don’t.
some chicks like aggressive men and some like passive men that they can cuddle
with and EVENTUALLY have sex with. find out FIRST which one she wants and THEN
project that image to her. what happens is that she notices that you are
displaying many traits that she looks for in a sex partner and none of the
negative traits that she uses to weed guys out. she keeps thinking about this
and reinforces it in her own mind and decides that you are right for her to
fuck.
in this situation, how you REALLY FEEL is irrelevant. you are tailoring your
personality to her tastes in order to BE THAT MAN that she wants to fuck and
she will see it in you and your job will be much easier than if you explained
your true nature to her and took the "pot luck" chance that she likes ANY of
your real traits.
> b) "You must demonstrate to her YOU are the man she
> wants to fuck her tonight"
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Question to Mrsex4unyc ! / Post 458
same as above. exhibit the things she finds positive about men and HIDE the
things that are trua about yourself that she despises in men. there are some
things that chicks cannot stand. sometimes just telling them that you’ll fuck
any chick that you really like is too much for them... that is if they believe
in a supernatural connection that makes people want to fuck. then again,
telling a chick that only wants to fuck that you want a relationship will get
her to back off of you because she doesn’t want to have to dump you later.
find out WHO she wants then BE THAT MAN and she’ll come to you.
> c) "You MUST convey personality and value" ?
the point of that is you need to seperate yourself from other guys talking
about bullshit. chicks hear the same thing all the time. if you can
demonstrate that you are interesting and unique, she will WANT to be in touch
with you and WANT you to call her. if you don’t convey value to her (making
her laugh, making her feel sexy, etc.) there is no reason to believe that she
will give you her number when you leave.
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Re: Cute / Post 459

>I already reported that, but I have never had any chance with
>referrals. When I ask a woman who has LJBFed me to set me up
>with her friend, she always has excuses for not doing it.
>Jealousy ... maybe ...
Fuck That!
give her a nice long "Use It or Lose It" speech. If she’s not fucking, hand
over some friends that want to fuck.
It’s as simple as that, or FUCK THAT BITCH and don’t respond to her at all.
It’s her RESPONSIBILITY to sex you OR find another chick that will or she is
USELESS to you!
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Re: Cute / Post 460

>>I already reported that, but I have never had any chance with
>>referrals. When I ask a woman who has LJBFed me to set me up
>>with her friend, she always has excuses for not doing it.
>>Jealousy ... maybe ...
>
>I think you could take that 2 ways, jealousy, or she ’s a good enough
>friend that she genuinely is trying to protect her friend the way she
>is "protecting" herself.
>
>Kate
ok. valid point.
I am never an asshole to chicks. All I want from them is sex, but I am always
friendly while I am trying to push them into the bar bathroom for a little
action >:)
I NEVER run into the problem of chicks referring me to other chicks. I let
them know from the beginning I’m gonna get it from somewhere so it’s going to
be from YOU right now OR I’m going to be looking for another chick. Sinec they
know they are no longer interested if they LJBF me, they are now pivots and it
is their JOB to get me chicks to fuck. otherwise, they are not worth my time.
what Kate brings up is important because if they LJBF’d you because you are an
asshole... OF COURSE they aren’t going to set you up with any of their friends.
they could lose their friendships over some shit like that :) you will NEVER
get a good pivot from a chick that thinks you’re no good for her.
there are many reasons a chick will LJBF you... as long as it is an issue she
has with "being with you" as opposed to an issue with YOU, you can get her to
get you chicks.
it is also my experience that while they are setting you up, they somehow come
to their "senses" and realize that they are giving something away that they
don’t have for themselves for the night... and sometimes RECONSIDER their
bullshit no-sex positions :)
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Re: Cute / Post 461

>Sometimes women who do this do end up becoming angry when the guy and
>friend actually hook up (as Nathan suggested).
>I have pointed out to a friend or two that they shouldn’t get angry if
>they reject the guy and set him loose on a friend and it works out.
too bad. use it or lose it

>Since men (to me) are neutral in a manner of
>ways that women aren’t (in fact are able to appear neutral in a number
>of ways that women aren’t), I just don’t think of them in terms of
>sexy, allthough they can be quite seductive.
ok. I see your meaning a little, but now define seductive vs sexy. what does
either feature inspire in a woman? how would a woman act differently towards
someone seductive vs someone sexy?
>Example:
>In an office situation men generally have a range of acceptable dress
>choices, but will not stand out. Women stand out much more, even
>within the range of appropriate...long hair/short, makeup, none, dress
>above the knee or below, pretty, not pretty, married, unmarried.
>I’ve not yet figured out any way to appear neutral, because I’ll still
>be judged along these parameters.
that’s an interesting point. I can’t judge guys so I really never thought

about it. you are right though. I can see a guy in dirty, non-fitting jeans
or in a suit and he is the same guy. I have no idea what he wants or where he
is going or what he does for a living... I see a girl in dirty jeans and I’m
like "damn... she really doesn’t care if she looks good or not" I see
minskirts and fuckme pumps downtown and I say she is a secretary. I see a
business suit/skirt and I say she is an executive. I see a no-style-at-all
dress and I say she is a hic or just not able to be or interested in being
sexy. I see hair held up and think one thing then I see hair down and flowing
and think another. it is also easier to tell when a woman is interested in you
or not. guys ARE more neutral. I could be standing next to an AFC looking at
a chick and we will be THINKING exactly opposite things, but might LOOK the
same because I am ACTUALLY calm and he wants to LOOK CALM :)
the only thing a guy can do is change his attire, change his body through
working out, or change his hair. none of this matters either because there are
women that like short hair and women that like long hair... there is always a
set of women that likes you as-is so there is no need to change your style.
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it is possible that women ARE the sexy creatures and men are just the
CUSTOMERS! :)
>its like the difference between just
>"Mr." (which can be used from ages 1-100) and "Mrs. Ms. or Miss"
>which all indicate something about the attitude or state of attachment
>of the user.)
yeah. I noticed this years ago on some application, but wrote it off to a
male-dominated society in which we need to know which chicks we can fuck freely
and which we have to sneak behind their husbands’ backs :)
>Are women responsible for creating sexual situations?
>I’ve put a # into motion in my time.
>Generally it seems that a man shows interest and a woman either
>responds or doesn’t . I’ll also say that I fared much better by
>waiting for guys to make the moves, since a number have seemed
>uncomfortable when they are not in control of the situation.
>
>Kate
that’s not really what I meant. it’s more like if you take one guy and one
girl like barbie dolls and change parameters on them... clothing hair body
types... which has more effect on the situation sexually? does putting a
bigger dick on the Ken have more effect on Barbie than putting bigger tits on
Barbie has on Ken? does putting a suit on Ken have more effect on Barbie than
putting a mini-skirt on Barbie has on Ken?
it may well be that women are the sexy ones entirely. you can pull out the
eddie murphy routine about "Dexter" in the Bahamas swinging his dick over his
shoulder and fucking your girl with it and say that’s a way a guy could be
sexy, but I think in the US society, the sexiness may be all on the women’s
side. I never considered that. Maybe all men do is loko a certain way that
MAKES women want to be sexy?
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Need help!! / Post 462
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HA! this story sounds pretty familiar :/

THE EAGLE HAS LANDED
>I know this girl, she has a boyfriend for sometime, but i want her bad.
tell her about it, not us

>I already dated her for some time, when we were younger, but i had my
>mind set up on chassing other girls so we never had any serious
>relationship.
tell her you have sampled other women and they don’t compare to her and you are
willing to be monogamous with her and have kids and shit
>Now i want her bad, because i am in love for her and she is the kind of
>girl i want to be with (doesn’t that suck?).
why didn’t you know this when you had her?

>Her boyfriend is a complete pussie, a geek that only makes her
>confortable because i doesn’t present any risk off dumping her.
since he’s not going to dump her, fuck her all you want. even if he find out,
he won’t leave her.
>I know
>she his unhappy because he doesn´t fullfil all her desires and she
>keeps calling me to go out to have a good time
fuck her every time she gets together with you... you will eventually get tired
of fucking her and this "love" you profess will disappear, then leave her and
her boyfriend to their mediocre existance and move on.
>i also know that her
>sex life is a misery. I know she like me a lot and is sexually atracted
>by me but she keeps teeling me she doesn´t want to dump him because he
>is a nice guy and do not deserve to be dumped.
so what?
Well, i don’t give a

>shit if he his a nice guy, i want her now but i don’t know the more
>effective way to erase the guy from her head.
fuck erasing him. when she is in your arms, she is your property. do what you
want with her... like a rental-car
>I think she has
>conscience problems on dumping him. This guy makes her very unhappy and
>she already wanted to dump him but her conscience didn’t let her.
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Need help!! / Post 462
stop concentrating on him. concentrate on YOU and HER and getting over this
craving to fuck her
>With me she is totally diferent, we talk endless hours
make sure you talk to her about sex and not bullshit for hours
>she does those
>little things that show that she is atracted, touches my arms, legs and
>other parts off my body when we talk, she looks directly to my eyes and
>smiles a lot.
kiss her every time she does that

>Keeps talking about when we dated, that the sex was
>great, that she like to go out with me because i make her feel good,
>etc.
recreate that shit in living color

>I need help and advice on getting this girl for me.
>
>If anyone can help here i would be more than gratefull.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>lmco
you already have her. keep fucking her and showing her a good time and she
will naturally spend less time with her boyfriend and you will be in there.
if you want to get rid of the BF, though... follow him around with a camera and
get pictures of him talking to and hopefully kissing other chicks. take the
pictures back to the girl and her pride won’t let her continue to date a
cheater and she will dump him then YOU will have a cheating loser all to
yourself
congratulations
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Re: Cute / Post 463

>On 26 Jul 1999 15:04:53 GMT, mrsex4unyc@aol.comedr4d (MrSex4uNYC)

>wrote:
>
>>Fuck That!
>>
>>give her a nice long "Use It or Lose It" speech. If she’s not fucking, hand
>>over some friends that want to fuck.
>>
>>It’s as simple as that, or FUCK THAT BITCH and don’t respond to her at all.
>>It’s her RESPONSIBILITY to sex you OR find another chick that will or she is
>>USELESS to you!
>
>Thats what I like about you, dude. You’re such a sensitive guy.
>
>Kate
er.. um... what I meant was...
That’s not fair to you Nathan :(
let her know how you long for her, but since you can understand her reasons for
not returning your heartfelt paassion, the least she could do as a TRUE FRIEND
is to PLEASE help you to fill the void with a woman that loves you for YOU and
not your money or wit or smashing good looks. someone that will be there for
you on those lonely nights when all you have now is lying in front of your
fireplace alone, remembering the good times you shared together before your
dreams were dashed to pieces :(
help me Rhonda... help help me Rhonda
HAHAHAHAHAHA >:)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: newbie post / Post 464
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>The lady
>in question nearly convinced me when she was giving me all of the ’never
>have an affair at the office’ lines and thats why I backed off then, perhaps
>I should have persisted.
nope. persistance would NOT have worked. she picked ANY excuse she could to
reject you. if you persist, you will STILL be the guy she wants to reject.
what you have to do is make her believe you are someone else. find out what
she wants in a man and be that man. find out what she likes in the guy that’s
fucking her that she didn’t find in you. make her believe that you have the
traits she is looking for in a sex partner and she’ll get in line.
never try to change her mind. change her mental state.

>Seeing the two of them together every day and listening to his
>comments about their sex life is a major problem, if we didn’t work together
>I could probably forget about her in time - ’out of sight, out of mind’, I
>need to deal with this problem somehow - if I think to myself what do I
>really want then it always comes back to one thing - her!
tell the guy talking all the shit that you don’t want to hear it... EVER! let
him know you are not kidding. it’s the images of him fucking her doggie-style
after you put in so much time with her and got NOTHING that is bothering you.
remove the daily sick-sucking stories and you’ll feel much better about
yourself and the situation.
>So how do I deal with this guys, distance myself and try to forget her (make
>myself look like a jerk, lose a friend and create an atmosphere in the
>office) or go get her (possibly make myself look like an even bigger jerk
>and make an enemy out of the other guy)?
stay close to her as a friend. talk to her about her sex life. find out what
she wants. give it to her. take that bitch!
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Re: Cute / Post 465

>>er.. um... what I meant was...

>>
>>That’s not fair to you Nathan :(
>>
>>let her know how you long for her, but since you can understand her reasons
>for
>>not returning your heartfelt paassion, the least she could do as a TRUE
>FRIEND
>>is to PLEASE help you to fill the void with a woman that loves you for YOU
>and
>>not your money or wit or smashing good looks. someone that will be there
>for
>>you on those lonely nights when all you have now is lying in front of your
>>fireplace alone, remembering the good times you shared together before your
>>dreams were dashed to pieces :(
>>
>>help me Rhonda... help help me Rhonda
>
>Touche’....but do you guys really think about it in that cavalier way,
>for real, like bitch this, douchebag that?
>Zoikkksss!!!! That doesn’t seem very cool!
>Kate grimaces.
>
>Kate
It all depends on the situation. I can hang out with a friend and have him say
"check out that bitch" then I can listen to stories about the same girl like
"that bitch sucked my dick, then she..." then somehow she becomes a chick and
then if she lasts long enough I get to hear "I just came back from vacation
with MY WOMAN" It’s funny how these dick-sucking bitches become respectable
WOMEN due to their place in the guy’s life that’s telling the story. Oh... and
don’t BOTHER to try to remind the guy about how we ALL used to call her a
bitch. Then he’s going to be all mad that you are disrespecting his WOMAN :)
From where I stand, chicks are interchangeable. Only the ones that have some
kind of repeatable value like they have a really good sense of humor or fuck
really well or whatever get ANY recognition in my book.
For instance, Kate... you were just some chick until you started posting great
stuff like this question. suddenly you had VALUE. suddenly you were worth
something because you bring new ideas into my life that make me reconsider
positions and adopt stronger stances and most of all understand MORE about
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women (notice I didn’t say UNDERSTAND WOMEN)
Until chicks demonstrate some kind of value, they’re just T&A and pretty
faces... interchangeable and essentially valueLESS if there is another one that
is willing to get with the program that has the same tits you do.
Then there is the other issue of men that are ANGRY at women. David S. USED TO
BE angry at women, now he is not :) some guys on this NG still are angry at
women whether they notice it or not. you can see it when they post irrelevant
and sarcastic replies to on-topic posts. I can’t speak to that because I love
women in general. it’s just that one is no different from the other given the
same looks, but that’s a different topic :)
I would like to know also who thinks what about women... are they our friends,
servants, toys, keep the pussy warm, make us food, bear our children, out
equals, our superiors?
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Re: Cute / Post 466

>Kate wrote:
>
>>>Since men (to me) are neutral in a manner of
>>>ways that women aren’t (in fact are able to appear neutral in a number
>>>of ways that women aren’t), I just don’t think of them in terms of
>>>sexy, allthough they can be quite seductive.
>
>Mrsex wrote:
>>
>>ok. I see your meaning a little, but now define seductive vs sexy. what
>does
>>either feature inspire in a woman? how would a woman act differently
>towards
>>someone seductive vs someone sexy?
>
>Thats easy. Sexy is a passive state of being, and seductive is the
>creation of a sexy atmosphere.
yeah that was easy, but didn’t explain much. so you are saying that women are
sexy BECAUSE they are passive and men are seductive BECAUSE they have to be the
agressors? what about the times when the man is passive and the woman (usually
an UG) is the agressor? does that make the woman seductive and the man sexy?
are you saying that laying down near a pool makes a MAN sexy and approaching
him with an intent to fuck him makes a WOMAN seductive? I don’t really
understand your point.
I also don’t agree that sexy is a passive state. I think flirting is VERY SEXY
and you have to be active at least part of the time to flirt. Matter of fact,
I think fun flirting is sexy and lust-driven flirting is seductive.
When a man says a woman is sexy... what does he mean?

When a woman says a man is seductive... what does she mean?
are the two interchangeable?
>Now, the other women here may beg to
>differ, but once I developed a mature sexuality, I found it impossible
>to turn the sexiness off, regardless of how I dressed or behaved,
>allthough it hasn’t interfered with the accomplishment of higher
>minded goals.
you obviously have issues with this that I hope you get to resolve soon.
>Now, if a sexy person wants to also act seductive, then
>its like a one two punch, and can be quite powerful.
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>Therefore, men only became "sexy" to me when they were overtly

>seductive, but if I was into them anyway, it didn’t really matter.
ok. so NOW a man CAN BE SEXY if he is overtly SEDUCTIVE? how about an example
of a man that achieved this... becoming sexy through being seductive...
hopefully you can cite a movie we have all seen or an actor that we are all
familiar with.
>It can be very complicated. Will they take me seriously, won’t they?
what difference does it make? if you are hired into a position of authority,
people have to follow your orders or suffer the consequences on their review.
>Will the other women hate me if I keep my hair long and fail to
>disguise my figure in loose baggy generic clothing?
who cares? why do you want to hang out with women that can’t handle the fact
that you are attractive and they aren’t. they should be glad that you are
around at all to attract men to the group then bounce them off since you’re
married. the UGs should be glad to have you along instead of hating you.
>Have I been hired for my looks or abilites?
who cares? at the end of the day, YOU have a paycheck and someone else does
not. whether you were hired because you were the best PERSON for the job, or
because the boss liked your tits better than the others that applied makes NO
DIFFERENCE!
>Are people more likely to give me a fair shake if they don’t feel
>competetive with me?
irrelevant. if you excel at what you do, you don’t need fair shakes. you will
get by on your skill and intelligence and no amount of dirty tricks will be
able to undermine you. if you are mediocre, however, fair shakes become really
important because you can’t MAKE YOUR OWN WAY!
>Will I get hit on by bosses, clients, even students?
you take karate... fuck it. besides as far as bosses they have sex harrassment
laws now that you can mention to curb behavior... and probably get promptly
FIRED! As far as clients, you have an advantage that I don’t have. YOU can go
in dressed in a sexy fashion and get MORE SALES than I can with the same sales
pitch or perhapes even a better sales pitch. Unfortunately, that’s how the
counrty runs... on looks and horny old men. Students is a tough one because a
teacher needs to have respect and it’s hard to have when you come into the
classroom and see drawings of you getting fucked doggie-style on the blackboard
:)
>If so, how will I handle it? All these things run through a woman’s
>mind, and may bring her in direct conflict with her real preferences.
that’s your own personal issue. you have to learn which life you are going to
lead, a passive existance where you are subject to EVERYONE’S whims, or live
your own life and have your husband support you and fuck everyone else!
>There really is no neutrality...I hate hyphens, yet have been hassled
>for keeping my own last name. I will answer to Mrs. or Ms.
same issue. that should be between you and your husband. fuck everyone else!
>>that’s not really what I meant. it’s more like if you take one guy and one
>>girl like barbie dolls and change parameters on them... clothing hair body
>>types... which has more effect on the situation sexually? does putting a
>>bigger dick on the Ken have more effect on Barbie than putting bigger tits
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>on
>>Barbie has on Ken? does putting a suit on Ken have more effect on Barbie
>than
>>putting a mini-skirt on Barbie has on Ken?
>
>I think the changes on Barbie would make more impact...and another
>thing...most of us aren’t into checking out bulges, and don’t obsess
>over 10" schlongs, so don’t worry about it.
>>
>Kate
that’s what my point was exactly. tits are out for everyone to check out.
women don’t get to see what they are getting until they’re on their knees with
it pointed in their faces :) I have neglected to talk to many many women
because I didn’t like something about their bodies. women don’t have such a
range to work with in men. they are in shape or not, tall or short, thin or
fat... it’s all the same thing in the end. look at the movies. all the time
you see women all the way down to bra, panties and pumps and the man only took
off his suit jacket :) hahahahaha
you may have a point to this women are sexy and men are not thing. that’s why
men need women to bring sexuality and sexiness into the picture. I would still
like to understand your sexy vs seductive idea though. I think you are on to
something good, but haven’t quite articulated exactly what that means to you
yet :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Article on smiling (loosely related) / Post 467
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>Maybe I’m just a rare exception to the rule. But, honestly, walking
>around with a big shit-eating grin does nothing for me.
>
>Later!
>-IX
I don’t smile either. it just isn’t natural for me. when I see chicks, I get
a kind of "oh shit, look at those titties!" look, but that’s about it. if I
start playing with a chick through eye contact, I will get a sly grin because
she thinks she can fuck with me or she is a cutie.
I laugh a lot, but that’s different from smiling. most of the time, I look
serious. most times the chicks get intimidated when I’m staring at them and
look away, but that gives me more time to check out the T&A :)
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Re: Cute / Post 468

>I have to say, MrSex4uNYC, that I’m pretty far away from your view
>of women -- indeed, I can hardly believe that you really see women
>as you say you see them.
believe it dude :) I post here to learn about other people and MAINLY about
myself. If I don’t post how I truly feel, I don’t get replies from people like
Kate and even from you giving me DIFFERENT viewpoints.
put it this way... chicks are like ice cream. if you have only one box of ice
cream, you are going to savor it and cherish it and eat it slowly (small town
living) if, howeverm you LIVE IN THE SUPERMARKET and can have ice cream fights
and NEVER run out (New York living) the ice cream is still as incredible as it
is for the small town guy... BUT IT IS EXPENDABLE!
since chicks are expendable, you only want to deal with the best looking OR
most efficient ones. the horniest ones, the ones with the best titties or
asses. even the ones with the best senses of humor that can make you laugh or
tell you something you would not have thought of yourself.
most times, I will be excited about a chick and a block later I could not
possibly even DESCRIBE to you what she looked like because I have seen three
more that I want in that space :) they are all over here, and really
attractive in many areas of the city... plus we get tourists from france,
sweden, etc. lots of beautiful chicks in this town.
even better than ice cream... WATER! everyone has water in New York, so it’s
not a big deal. people leave faucets running, take 8 baths a day if they want
to...
my point is that the number and availability of ANY COMMODITY, including good
looking chicks will affect your viewpoint on them. to me, chicks are as useful
as they make me feel. the hornier they make me, the more attention they get.
>I used to think that
>all the world (or at least, most of the US) actually felt the way I
>did about women; that women themselves (_especially_ women themselves),
>as well as men, desired to be treated as equals, as human beings, with
>equal rights to their own passions, interests, ways of doing things,
>etc.
don’t get me wrong. I don’t think women are INFERIOR to men. no way. there
are women stronger than men. there are women smarter than men... all I am
saying is that I am onlyy concerned with their sexual value to me. if a
chick can be a six-figure lawyer and suck a good dick, then she’s alright with
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me :)
>Despite my own wishes for ALL personal and public
>options to be open to BOTH men and women (eg. men wearing dresses without
>condemnation, women still being considered sexy by men, even if they acted
>_like_ (stereotypical) men, etc.)
that’s RETARDED hahahahaha
dresses are WOMEN’S clothing. there is no point in men wearing women’s

clothing. you should just enjoy the annual fag parade and be happy with that
>One of the reasons I don’t have your attitude about women, MrSex4uNYC,
>is that I really can’t find any pleasure in being with a woman if all she
>is to me is someone to please me. I get far and away more pleasure out
>of a sexual experience if I’m doing more than half the pleasin’.
I agree with that statement. I will not please any chick that I don’t find
sexually attractive though. I want to give her orgasms like I want to get them
from her. that has nothing to do with whether I like her as a person or think
she’s intelligent and EVERYTHING to do with how sexy her body is and how horny
she is. I am not looking just to cum in her mouth and go to sleep :) I want
to show her a good time. I would show the SAME good time to any chick that had
the same body and attitude. it has nothing to do with her as an individual
being.
>I get
>even more pleasure if I see the woman as my mental and emotional equal,
>someone worthy of respect and love.
that is always nice, but you seem to be the "make love" type anyway... not the
"fuck" type.
>But get me alone with her, and I’ll be wanting at least a SLIGHTLY
>deeper connection with her than ONLY sexual, and I’ll definitely not be
>interested if I can’t respect her.
>
>Just one man’s view.
>
>- Tim
I appreciate you taking the time to type all that stuff. your views are
interesting, and I have heard them before to a degree. I am not interested in
any other connection than "she makes me feel horny and I want to feel her, lick
her and fuck her and I want her to feel the same way about me". as far as one
night stands, it’s all about me. if it is a friend of mine that I am fucking,
I want her to have a good time too.
I certainly don’t need to respect her. since when is respect sexy? what does
that have to do with bra-size? it’s not natural. anyway... chicks are
commodities like water, ice cream, or alcohol. no point in drinking alcohol if
you’re not going to get drunk from it and no point in talking to a chick that
you don’t want to fuck... unless she shows some personality value that makes
you just want to talk to her and get her views on stuff.
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Re: Cute / Post 469

>how do you guys feel about being treated as objects?

>Women genrally are treated as sexual playthings, and men as wallets,
>and I recognize the reverse exploitation here. So the question is:
>what would you NOT want to hear women say about you?
A) I don’t give a fuck what her reasons are for sexing me as long as she sexes
me. The only reason I give a fuck why she is NOT sexing me is so I can change
her state/mind and get her to lay the fuck down :)
B) I understand your point, but I don’t give a fuck WHAT women have to say in
sexual situations. this is an intellectual discussion, so I care what YOU have
to say... but in a normal situation = sex... I don’t care what you call me or
say about me.
>>From where I stand, chicks are interchangeable. Only the ones that have
>some
>>kind of repeatable value like they have a really good sense of humor or fuck
>>really well or whatever get ANY recognition in my book.
>
>How would you feel if I said the same thing about guys, except in
>regard to thier financial value? Would you be offended or just think
>it was human nature?
guys ARE interchangeable due to financial value... that’s the problem with guys
tring to take chicks out to impress them. I can buy you lobster and so can
Nathan... SO WHAT? which one of us is sexier? which one of us do you want to
fuck? NEITHER because ANY MAN can buy you lobster. that’s why guys that talk
bout the country club just get golddiggers and not real chicks because guys are
interchangeable until they demonstrate personality differences and make
themselves known as superiors to the average joe.
as far as how I would feel... If you called me interchangeable and then fucked
me, I would feel good. If you called me interchangeable then didn’t give up
any sex, I would feel bad... see what I mean... NO DIFFERENCE!
>>For instance, Kate... you were just some chick until you started posting
>great
>>stuff like this question. suddenly you had VALUE. suddenly you were worth
>>something because you bring new ideas into my life that make me reconsider
>>positions and adopt stronger stances and most of all understand MORE about
>>women (notice I didn’t say UNDERSTAND WOMEN)
>
>Mrsex, as an advocate for my gender, I have met very few WORTHLESS
>women. I find the vast majority of women I know to be intelligent,
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>friendly, and funny, and often they are talented as well.
whatever whatever...
I have read ahead to Nathan’s replies to this thread and he is right. you are
arguing a DIFFERENT worth. let me explain this to you. I already have money
so I don’t need a chick for her money. I already have friends, so I don’t need
a chick to talk to. I do not need CONSTANT companionship, so I don’t need a
chick to clean up after me and be there every night.
what I CAN’T do for myself is give myself that feeling I get in the presence of
an AWESOMELY SEXY WOMAN! THAT’S what I need from women. therefore... forget
about her contributions to politics and science and all that bullshit. I want
some T&A and I want a horny chick that likes fucking and I’m living LARGE!
having said that, you now know the kind of worth I am talking about. women
have SEXUAL WORTH and that’s it. their societal worth is irrelevant to me and
to this NG. the point here is fucking girls that you are attracted to. what I
was saying about YOU is that you had NO WORTH to me because you are A) a
figment of my imagination because you only exist on the internet and B) don’t
live in NYC and C) are HAPPILY married so I wasn’t getting any sex off of you
anwyays :) when you started posting intelligent material to this NG, you
CREATED WORTH because I VALUE your opinions and have indeed changed some of my
styles and some of my BASIC IDEAS because of YOU and I appreciate that :)
now... if you were available, ugly, no body, lived in NYC, and intelligent...
you would get NO physical attention from me, but I would chat with you all day
on AOL :) you would have NO SEXUAL WORTH AT ALL!
>What the fuck could
>they have done to deserve adult men leering at them, callling them
>names, trying to pick them up before they have a sense of what is
>really happenning? I started getting this from guys when I was 12, and
>I totally did not know how to deal with it. It did a real # on
>me.
and you had the nerve to call me a psychiatrist when I told you you need to
resolve your issues HAHAHA :)
I am very serious. I want you to be happy and healthy... that’s why I respond
to these off-topic posts about women’s rights to not be accosted. WRONG NG
baby! but you contribute to my life so I try to contribute to yours in return.
>Why do we have to prove that we are not worthless objects to be used
>for entertainment and discarded?
you can’t prove that because it’s true except for the discarded part. as far
as I am concerned (and not Tim of course) you are as useful to me as your
SEXUAL SKILLS, LOOKS AND BODY! you can prove intelligence and social value and
you can cook and all that other stuff, but if I don’t feel horny around you,
you get no play.
>>Until chicks demonstrate some kind of value, they’re just T&A and pretty
>>faces... interchangeable and essentially valueLESS if there is another one
>that
>>is willing to get with the program that has the same tits you do.
>
>Ummm,,...would you feel this way about your sister or daughter? How do
>you feel about guys who would have treated your mother and grandmother
>this way? This sentiment just makes me sick.
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if I had a daughter I would make her aware of guys like me. I would let her
know that guys are going to manipulate her and she needs to look out for
certain things. I would not make her paranoid, but there is NO WAY I would let
her out into the world without knowledge. it’s my duty as a parent. rent the
movie "Kids" to see what happens if you don’t :(
besides... anyone that allows themselves to be used gets what they deserve.
fortunately members of my family are strong (mentally) for the most part. a
couple get into questionable relationships, but not abusive, because the abuser
would immediately find himself the ABUSEE OR WORSE!
>If you ask me, the women who
>go for $ make it tougher for the nice guys to trust the rest of us.
that’s true and I agree, but that is a trust issue. how much can you TRUST a
chick that you just met at a bar and take home to fuck? not that that makes
her untrustworthy to fuck fast... I just mean that TRUST is not a sexy factor
and is TOTALLY OVERRULED by lust. trust is good for acoiding STDs, but in
general, guys will fuck untrustworthy 8s before trustworthy UGs :)
>Every user fucking slid squalling, helpless, and wretched out of a
>woman’s body.
>Talk about women’s work.
>Ugh.
>
>Kate
not relevant
:)
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Re: Cute / Post 470

>Maybe. Everyone said JFK Jr. was sexy, and I can see thier point, but
>he was also an exceptional looking, classy and affable man.
EXCEPTIONAL LOOKING? he looked like any other yuppie in Manhattan. he didn’t

look any better than Robert Chambers or Ted Bundy. many people assume that
because they see people on TV, they are the beautiful people. that’s why when
people magazine comes out with the most beautiful people they are all from the
media. I have seen the most beautiful people with my oen eyes on the subway or
downtown when the sexually harassed secretaries come out for linch in their
minskirt-suits and fuckme pumps :)
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Re: Cute / Post 471

>>ok. so NOW a man CAN BE SEXY if he is overtly SEDUCTIVE? how about an

>example
>>of a man that achieved this... becoming sexy through being seductive...
>>hopefully you can cite a movie we have all seen or an actor that we are all
>>familiar with.
>
>One of my favorite actors is Jeff Goldblum...ever seen Mr Frost? I
>also love Nicholas Cage(leaving Las Vegas) Neither man is physically
>"sexy" by traditional standards, but they are HOT.
ok then. what does Nicholas Cage make you feel that makes you call him sexy or
seductive? for example, I say Salma Hayak is sexy. she can be seductive if
she directs her sexual attentions towards me. when I see her I think about us
fucking. when I see her dancing or moving, it’s incredible. I want to feel
her and kiss her and make her hot. Is that what you’re talking about? What
happens for you when you experience a man being seductive towards you? Does he
make you feel like surrendering to him? does he make you feel like actively
sexing him? Do you feel like you want to please him? Do you feel like you
want him inside you? how does a sexy/seductive man affect you physically or
mentally?
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Re: Cute / Post 472

>I never could see how someone could ignore the

>humanity of others, particularly when the other gender was the very
>gender they were most dependent upon as infants.
I blame it on the media. Charlie’s Angels. I dream of Jeannie. MASH. KRP in

Cincinatti...
the media sets American kids up to think of women as sexy or not sexy. THAT’S
ALL. there is no emphasis on talents other than looks, and if there is, it is
PURELY PERIPHERAL. look at the beauty pageants. you don’t see any all-chick
spelling bees do you? that’s because NO MAN CARES if a woman can spell, but he
damn sure cares what you look like in that bathing suit and fuckme pumps coming
down the runway. then the talent section? please it’s bullshit. then those
questions about helping the world community? it’s all bullshit.
I mean look at the society... they didn’t even let women VOTE until 1920!
that’s fucking ridiculous! the same sisters that came out of your mother like
you did and you agree that she can’t VOTE? that’s retarded! this whole
society placed women’s looks above anything else she can do. when did you EVER
see ponch and jon on chips go out with a couple of buffalo? they might have
done it because they were humanitarians or lost a bet HAHAHA but if they had
their choice, it was a couple of dimwitted HONIES!
it ain’t my fault :)
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: I hate the phone! / Post 473
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>I call her up and say "Hello, this is Charlie from the Third Edition"
>She remembered me and I talk about how much fun we had and she agrees.
>I talked a little more about the night we met and try to get her to
>remember how fun it was. She agrees again. (It seemed to be going
>really well up to this point) Then I say "Let’s meet up Tomorrow at
>6:30 and get some ice cream" then I she says "Ummmm HUmmmm I don’t
>know?" so I say "What do you mean you don’t know. You either want to
>meet up with me or you don’t. It’s as simple as that." then she talks
>about how she doesn’t really know me well enough and how I could be a
>psycho.
you should have told her A PSYCHO? GETTING ICE CREAM? IN THE EVENING? IN
PUBLIC? you have problems... bye.
and hung up on her
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on-point Craig
>Remember, chit chatting
>about clubs and work school is something she can do with
>anyone, but someone who can lead her into a state of
>arousel or at least romantic interest is hard to come by.
definitely. that is so important. make her FEEL something that she can’t feel
with anyone else. put yourself above the crowd.
>You have to set yourself apart from the other
>guys by minimizing the small talk and asking questions
>which can lead her into a romantic state.
yep. remain fixed on the desired outcome and always lead her there.
>Also, you sounded like you cared just a little too much
>about whether or not you see this girl again. She could
>obviously tell that you were really interested, and that
>might have been one of the things that scared her off.
good point. he was demonstrating too much "I want to be with you" and too
little "You want to be with me". keep letting her know the reasons SHE wants
to be with YOU and she will usher herself over to see you when her brain THINKS
she came up with it herself.
>One of my rules is I will never try to convince a
>girl to hang out with me.
yeah, me too. having to convince her means that she is not interested in it
for herself. if she isn’t interested, she is doing YOU a favor instead of you
doing HER a favor by allowing her to share some of your time and pushing her
into states of arousal. also, convincing her says "OH PLEASE... if you don’t
hang out with me I have NOTHING else to do... pleeeeease go out with me!" I
invite the chick. she accepts or declines. if she declines she is through.
if she calls me and suggests a hangout, I know that SHE wants it and I decide
if I want to do her the favor of spending time with her. I am the prize, not
her :)
>Another thing, if you kissed closed the first time you
>met then way are you meeting her for ice cream?
TOTALLY FUCKING ON POINT!
that’s what I was saying about lateral and backwards moves. this isn’t HAPPY
DAYS! you aren’t RICHIE CUNNINGHAM! you already kissed her so THE CAT IS OUT
OF THE BAG... THE JIG IS UP! she knows you want sex... time to get it from
her! stop trying to hide now, you’re in the middle of the western street and
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she drew her guns... SHOOT MAN SHOOT!
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>Then I say "Let’s meet up Tomorrow at

>>6:30 and get some ice cream"
>
>
>Instead of commanding her, ask her.
nope. he was absolutely right. command her to meet with you. if she
declines, it is a showing of disrespect AND she is not taking advantage of an
opportunity to be with you. TWO reasons (when you only need one) to cut her
off and press her for what you want IF she crawls back to you in the future.
Maybe (to make her feel more

>comfortable) "Some friends and I are heading over to (whichever ice
>cream place) tomorrow. Want to come ?" Give her the opportunity to
>gracefully decline.
OH NO OH GOD NO! "some friends and I"? no no no bad technique. keep it

simple... you and me this time this place. this is the gift of my time I am
willing to give to you. take it or leave it. if you leave it, you will NOT
get another offer, unless you make a definite plan with me right now to see me.
that last thing you want is a graceful decline or her feeling comfortable with
you by saying you aer going on a group outing.
these aren’t ethics questions Kate... these are tactics... read up if you like.
>then I she says "Ummmm HUmmmm I don’t
>>know?" so I say "What do you mean you don’t know. You either want to
>>meet up with me or you don’t. It’s as simple as that."
>
>Again, much too dominant.
dominant is good, assuming he elicited her values and he knows she likes to be
commanded. I disagree with his confrontational stance though. me as dominant
as you can support with your true personality, but don’t confront chicks. keep
them feeling good about you and themselves and feeling positive in general.
you are arguing over bullshit semantics... what happens when dishes are dirty?
you will yell at her or abuse her. this is the extrapolation from your
bullshit confrontations. cjoose your battles wisely.
>then she talks
>>about how she doesn’t really know me well enough and how I could be a
>>psycho. Then I say "Trust me... I’m not a psycho..."
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oh yeah she’s gonna take your word for it? HAHAHAHA

>Then she says
>>well "Are you going back to such and such club next weekend?" I say
>>"No, probably not"
>
>A better response might have been maybe or yes.
Absolutely wrong! the right answer was "NO. I have plans to go out next
weekend." If he tells her he will be at the same club, she IMMEDIATELY says
there is no reason for them to see each other alone since she will definitely
see him next weekend. that pushes his date back DAYS. it places him in a
CROWD of OBSTACLES. too much noise and distraction. he is now locked into
going to that club that night SPECIFICALLY to meet with that chick...
SUPPLICATION CITY! AND there’s no guarantee that she will show up there at
all!
>Still, you could have
>said..."We’ll be hearing so and so play at whatever the club
>is...we’ll be there after 10. " This puts her in the driver’s seat and
>allows her to feel secure with no real investment from you. If she
>chooses to go see you, all the better.
in a different situation, that is an excellent plan. "I am doing this... if

you want, you can join me" however he is past that stage. he already kisseed
her, so the game is on. he needs an aggressive stance so he doesn’t loes the
ground he’s gained.
> Then she says... "Well, I just don’t know you well
>>enough yet" Then I say "Well, why don’t you get to know me right now?"
>>she agrees.. and we start to chat... about school/jobs and stuff like
>>that... She keeps asking me a lot of questions. Things are going
>>alright at this point...
you THOUGHT things were going well... look back over the conversation. ask
yourself what you gained from telling her what you told her. chicks don’t
process facts, the process feelings. what did you make her FEEL about you?
what did you do to change her mind about seeing you? what did you tell her
that made her HORNY for you? what did you tell her that made her know that you
are NOT a psycho? what did you tell her that made her know you can fuck the
shit out of a girl and leave her begging for more? I guarantee you didn’t
convey the right personality because you were talking about bullshit instead of
eliciting her values and regurgitating them back to her.
> then all of a sudden she says "Well, I have to
>>go get something to eat with my roommate." I say "It’s 7:00 isn’t that
>>a little late for dinner?"
>
>Again, why do you believe you have the right to question this? This is
>just pushy and obnoxious.
>
> Kate
yes, you are right there. that was a DUMB statement. you criticized a
BULLSHIT point and made her feel NEGATIVE about you for nothing. save all the
tactics and negs and the advanced stuff until you get the BASICS down. keep
her feeling good and positive about you and about herself and about the two of
you being together.
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>Thinking about that, I think a good response would be the

>guilt trip:
>"A psycho? Is that the opinion you have of me? I can’t
>believe what I’m hearing. Is this really the opinion
>you have of me?"
I don’t like that approach BECAUSE it says that you give a fuck what she thinks
about you. it is personal to YOU. my response is personal to HER only. I am
saying that I don’t want to be involved with ANY chick that can’t meet a guy in
public for ice cream at 6:30 pm without feeling like she is in danger. FUCK
WHAT SHE THINKS ABOUT ME! she has issues of security that are going to bounce
back man... watch! chicks like that are the ones that agree to fuck then tell
their friends it was date-rape and start up some shit.
If I EVER invite a chick for coffee and she says I don’t know, you might be a
killer or some shit like that and I don’t think she is playing with me or
trying to goad me into some sort of fun interaction... she’s THROUGH!
FUCK THAT!
>MrSex4uNYC a écrit:
>>
>> >I call her up and say "Hello, this is Charlie from the Third Edition"
>> >She remembered me and I talk about how much fun we had and she agrees.
>> >I talked a little more about the night we met and try to get her to
>> >remember how fun it was. She agrees again. (It seemed to be going
>> >really well up to this point) Then I say "Let’s meet up Tomorrow at
>> >6:30 and get some ice cream" then I she says "Ummmm HUmmmm I don’t
>> >know?" so I say "What do you mean you don’t know. You either want to
>> >meet up with me or you don’t. It’s as simple as that." then she talks
>> >about how she doesn’t really know me well enough and how I could be a
>> >psycho.
>>
>> you should have told her A PSYCHO? GETTING ICE CREAM? IN THE EVENING?
>IN
>> PUBLIC? you have problems... bye.
>>
>> and hung up on her
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MrSex4uNYC via FastSeduction.com Re: Group Openers? / Post 477
Re: Group Openers? / Post 477
Subject: Re: Group Openers? // view thread online

>Every thing I say, she imediatly says something just rude back to me
>(whether I target her or ignore her, she is hard core cock blocking).
>Finally I say, do you know what "I like about you?" she says "no." I
>say "me neither" and go back to my table.
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that shit is SO FUCKING FUNNY :)
I’m going to use that as my DEFAULT opener HAHAHA
SUPER-NEG from the beginning HAHAHAHAHA
I LOVE IT!
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Re: Cute / Post 478

>>ok then. what does Nicholas Cage make you feel that makes you call him sexy
>or
>>seductive?
>
>Did you see him in "Zandalee"? (Probably not...)
>Damn! He was just so raw and passionate (he played an artist who was
>having an affair with his best friend’s wife.) Nicholas Cage made me
>feel as if I were Zandalee, being convinced to do a totally irrational
>and self-destructive thing.
hahaha hell no I didn’t see some movie called zandalee :) however, I will rent
it if blockbuster has it on DVD. I would like to see what you are talking
about, though I can guess since cage is the same character in EVERY MOVIE like
will smith. I can see cage pouring his heart out and making zandalee BELIEVE
that he HAS to be with her and she NEEDS to be with him etc. etc. The whole
"this is bigger than the both of us", supernatural "I tried to avoid this but I
can’t" thing.
I think I get the seduction angle. I agree that seduction is different from
sexuality. Somehow I also agree NOW that sexuality is passive or static, like
a trait that people can see on you or in you and like whereas seduction is an
active thing that you do which creates urges in the one you want to do what you
know is RIGHT and NECESSARY for the both of you... very interesting.
I will be on the lookout for both sexuality and seductiveness. good

explanation Kate :)
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Re: How can I handle "are you seeing someone else?" ?? / Post 479
Subject: Re: How can I handle "are you seeing someone else?" ?? // view thread online
>Most women
>would rather share a successful man than go out with a faithful loser.
very important idea hetero. I find that there are a lot of women dating
faithful losers. even when I tell them I am dating other women, they still
want to hang with me for the "fun and games" :) matter of fact, recently I
have been telling them about what I do with the other chicks kind of like a
quotes excercise and it gets them hot faster than anything else.
you would think since most chicks say they want honesty and fidelity that they
would be willing to give the same thing to their men. it’s not true. it’s
like Kate said, emotions follow biology. I have been easing back on the direct
sex-shit and flirting and teasing chicks and light-petting until they get so
wet that they start DEMANDING the action... wherever we are! :) it’s that
simple. their man makes them feel one way every day. I make them feel great
whenever they are with me. I work on them enough and eventually they want
sexual release RIGHT HERE... RIGHT NOW :)
I have also found that chicks respect my honestly screwing several chicks
instead of duping them into fucking and then they find out later on :) I leave
them the choice to get with the program or not and if they do, they knew who I
was when they started this :)
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Re: Cute / Post 480

>>I will be on the lookout for both sexuality and seductiveness. good
>>explanation Kate :)
>
>...anything, for you.
>
>Kate
mmmm... don’t play with me... you know how I get! ;p~~
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Table of Contents
Table of Contents
MrSex4uNYC Post Archive v2.0 from Fast Seduction 101® . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
Background . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2
Re: My opinion on group approaches / Post 421 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
Re: orally inclined / Post 422 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5
Re: Scouting report / Post 423 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
Re: Scouting report / Post 424 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8
Re: This is fun!! / Post 425 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9
Re: We all have our handicaps / Post 426 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
Re: We all have our handicaps / Post 427 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12
Re: I just don’t find you attractive .... yet / Post 428 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14
Re: Lay report... / Post 429 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16
Re: LOOKS / Post 430 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17
Re: How do I know he likes me? / Post 431 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18
Re: RE: OK, now I have a question for you guys. / Post 432 . . . . . . . . . . . . 19
Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? / Post 433 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20
Re: What does "Do you have a girlfriend at the moment... / Post 434 . . . . . . . . . . 22
Re: What to do if guys are trying to fuck up your sty... / Post 435 . . . . . . . . . . . 23
Re: Group Openers? / Post 436 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
Re: OK, now I have a question for you guys. / Post 437 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25
Re: MY Club report / Post 438 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 26
Re: (Real) chick logic humor stories! / Post 439 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28
Re: Charlie 7/24/99 (Kiss Close and #) / Post 440 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 31
Re: hat To Do When She Calls Her Boyfriend "My Friend"? / Post 441 . . . . . . . . . . 32
Re: How can I handle "are you seeing someone else?" ?? / Post 442 . . . . . . . . . . 33
Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? / Post 443 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 36
Re: newbie post / Post 447 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 41
Re: no number / Post 448 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42
Re: no number / Post 449 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 43
Re: Mirrorname: Goofus, or Gallant? / Post 450 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 44
Re: Wingmen screwups / Post 451 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 45
Re: Cute / Post 454 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48
Re: Major KINO Breakthrough: Strip Clubs / Post 455 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 49
Re: Cute / Post 456 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50
Re: Question to Mrsex4unyc ! / Post 458 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 52
Re: Cute / Post 459 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 54
Re: Cute / Post 460 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55
Re: Cute / Post 461 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 56
Re: Need help!! / Post 462 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 58
Re: Cute / Post 463 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60
Re: newbie post / Post 464 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 61
Re: Cute / Post 465 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 62
Re: Cute / Post 466 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 64
Re: Article on smiling (loosely related) / Post 467 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67
Re: Cute / Post 468 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 68
Re: Cute / Post 469 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70
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Re: Cute / Post 470 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 73

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Re: Cute / Post 471 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 74
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Re: Cute / Post 472 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 75
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Re: I hate the phone! / Post 473 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76
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Re: Group Openers? / Post 477 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 84
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Re: Cute / Post 478 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 85
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Re: How can I handle "are you seeing someone else?" ?? / Post 479 . . . . . . . . . . 86
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Re: Cute / Post 480 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 87
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Re: My opinion on group approaches / Post 421

Subject: Re: My opinion on group approaches // view thread online

Girls that aren’t engaged in conversations are

ok. I agree with your theory as re-stated 100%

Re: orally inclined / Post 422

Subject: Re: orally inclined // view thread online

>Subject: orally inclined

WRONG FUCKING NG!

Re: Scouting report / Post 423

Subject: Re: Scouting report // view thread online

me: what would you do if Keanu walked in here right now?

Re: Scouting report / Post 424

Subject: Re: Scouting report // view thread online

Re: This is fun!! / Post 425

Subject: Re: This is fun!! // view thread online

Re: We all have our handicaps / Post 426

Subject: Re: We all have our handicaps // view thread online

Re: We all have our handicaps / Post 427

Subject: Re: We all have our handicaps // view thread online

ok that’s what I was talking about earlier

A man’s GOT to know his limitations - Clint

>behaves like a gentleman instead of a jerkoff? You will meet more

nope. it depends. if I am naturally an asshole, I need women around me that

hey... I’ll be a stand-up guy for any LAY-DOWN CHICK! :)

Re: Lay report... / Post 429

Subject: Re: Lay report... // view thread online

Re: LOOKS / Post 430

Subject: Re: LOOKS // view thread online

>anyway, there is a bright side to all this. In my own little sadistic

Re: How do I know he likes me? / Post 431

Subject: Re: How do I know he likes me? // view thread online

>If they have a husband or a boyfriend...shouldn’t they be wearing a ring

Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? / Post 433

Subject: Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? // view thread online

basically. very bad sign

Re: Group Openers? / Post 436

Subject: Re: Group Openers? // view thread online

>After about 1-1/2min of this, the Sumo Wrestler UG does an

in that case, just tell the guy

"I’m flattered, but I’m married"

Re: MY Club report / Post 438

Subject: Re: MY Club report // view thread online

here’s a tip SB.

I USED TO go to culture club when it was Rock Ridge Saloon.

YOU WILL NOT BREAK INTO GROUPS OF CHICKS IN THAT CLUB!

it won’t happen, trust me. this is how that club works.

BTW - does the tap beer still taste like chalk? :(

Re: (Real) chick logic humor stories! / Post 439

>Chick Logic Humor!

not exactly the same, but

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fucking crash test dummy!

tremendous man... I don’t know why I didn’t start a thread on ridiculous

Re: Charlie 7/24/99 (Kiss Close and #) / Post 440

he should have said:

A) it’s none of your business WHO she is waiting for

>How can I handle "are you seeing someone else?" ??

so what? it’s none of her business

Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? / Post 443

Subject: Re: To Mystery: Bitch Shield? // view thread online