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Girls, Social Proof, Herding, and Copycat Hookups
Girls, Social Proof, Herding, and Copycat Hookups
Copycat Hookups
By: Chase Amante
Contents
The bystander effect: why you’re actually more likely to get help
in an emergency if there is only one person around, rather than
a crowd (folks in a crowd ask themselves, “Is this really an
emergency?” look around to see no one else responds like it’s
an emergency, and conclude it is not an emergency... then
proceed not to do anything, even as terrible things happen
around them)
If you’re reading so far and thinking, “Wow, people really copy each
other to a very high extent, don’t they? I wonder how I can use this to
get girls,” don’t worry. We’re going to cover some ways today.
Along the way, you’re going to see a few ways to engineer this sort of
‘follow the leader’ effect... in hooking up.
I’m not going to post up all the research on preselection here; if you
want to read it yourself, hit up Google Scholar and type in ‘mate
choice copying’. You’ll find dozens of bits of research on how people
– but especially women – use the mates and companions of
members of the opposite sex to decide whom they want to date, and
how bad they want to date them.
This in mind, right off the bat, you should have a few things pop into
mind:
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If I want to hook up with girls, I should go places girls hook up
with guys like me (very important)
If I want to hook up with girls, I should behave like the men girls
hook up with
If I want to hook up with girls, I should seek out (or create) the
social conditions women hook up in
If you read no further in this article, this little bit alone should be
enough to get your mind working to come up with a few new ways to
meet more women (and have it go well).
But let’s say you decide to keep reading. What are some examples of
things like this?
But now take the example of a gym. There is some hooking up that
goes on at the gym (see my article on gym pickup). Girls go to the
gym dressed to impress, and sometimes meet men there. However,
if you are overweight, and have no muscles, and go to the gym, you
will probably not do so well at hooking up. Why not? Because girls
don’t hook up with guys like you here.
You might think that’s shallow. But let’s get inside the girl’s head:
It feels weird. Aren’t you supposed to talk to people who are in-
shape here? You look around and see a few other girls, all
talking with trim, muscular guys. You look back at the guy
talking to you. Big gut. No muscles
Fat, unmuscular guy asks you out. You panic. Uncertainty! “This
guy seems pretty confident,” you think. If you met him in the bar,
you might say yes. Everyone would be drunk there, he’d
probably be a lot of fun, and your friends might like him. And
you could just go for what you like. But here? You look around
again. Girls with trim, muscular guys. Here’s this fat guy with no
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muscles asking you out. No one else you know is around to pass
their approval on him and reassure you he’s a cool guy despite
his beer gut. “I’m sorry,” you tell him. “I have a boyfriend.” He
says he understands, and excuses himself. You sigh in relief,
backward rationalize your decision as having definitely been the
right one, and get on with your workout
Could there have been a way to get this girl? Quite possibly. But
you’d need to be strategic about it. Namely, you’d need to catch her
somewhere she would not be able to see other women talking with
muscular men. You’d want to meet her in a place where there were
no other leads for her to follow, and she would be forced to make up
her own mind on you, and date you on your merits.
I used to do just this in gyms, when I was overweight. I’d meet girls in
line, or chat up the receptionist girls outside the gym. In those
environments, I would be the only guy in eyeshot talking to women.
Girls could see other men who were much trimmer or more muscular
than I was... But those guys would not be approaching. And here was
chubby, confident Chase chatting her up, and she was liking it. So
when I’d ask her out, she’d say yes, at least sometimes (I wasn’t
quite a Casanova in those days... but I still got dates). On the other
hand, I was much more circumspect while actually in the gym – and
usually preferred to catch girls on the way out, or outside the main
weights and machines area, if I could.
In the mega club, girls see other girls pairing off with men with
high in-venue status, and begin to look for other men with high
in-venue status to pair up with. If you try to play sexy guy game
here, you get ignored by most of the women present. The men
who do best in high end, impersonal mega clubs tend to be the
ones who do the best at playing the in-venue status game
In the house club, girls see other girls pairing off with random
sexy men, and begin to look for other random sexy men to pair
up with. If you try to play the status game here, most women are
completely disinterested. The men who do best in dark, narrow
house clubs are those who do best at sexy guy game
When you get her to break the follow-the-leader pattern just for you,
she overrides her follower instinct and complies with your request to
talk.
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It’s somewhat easier to get women to violate the follow-the-leader
effect on the street and in-transit than it is in places where women
actively hook up... reason being that while there are no supportive
examples in the former locales, there are also no counter examples.
Women do not see other women on the street exclusively going for
guys who don’t look like you. They don’t see other women going for
guys on the street at all. There are no examples for them to follow
here, aside from a feeling of, “Wait, should I do this? Should I talk to
this random guy?” If you are fun and attractive and comfortable,
you’ll often be her only reference point. She’ll look at you, decide you
seem comfortable, and tell herself, “Okay, I guess this is fine. He
seems comfortable about it.”
However, in the club, if you are in a place where all the guys girls go
for are nothing like you, you aren’t just asking her to break from the
flow. You are asking her to actively go against the flow... Which most
women (especially if they have chosen to come to an environment
like this – if she’s in the mega club, she could have chosen the house
club, and if she’s in the house club, she could have chosen the mega
club – but she didn’t; she chose what she chose) will feel social
pressure not to do.
Thus, when you select venues, don’t just pick places that are good to
meet women at. Pick places that are good for men like you to meet
women at – where there will be examples of women going for guys
like you to help your courtships along.
The next best type of venue is one where women do hook up yet
there are no present examples for or against – the street, for
instance. (women do meet guys on the street – the answer is ‘yes’ to
the question “Do women hook up here?” Ask any girl you know if
she’s ever met a guy on the street – if she’s out of college and lives in
the city, you’ll often get a yes response)
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The worst type of venue? A hook up place where women hook up
almost exclusively with men who are not like you. Some of the
sourest (yet perhaps also most educational) nights you will ever have
will be the nights where you go to a place you’ve heard is great for
hooking up, only to realize you are the complete opposite of all the
men women are hooking up there, and you get to watch a bunch of
people leave with each other and go home to have sex, while every
girl you talk to blows you out.
The lesson you learn is that it isn’t just about “Do women hook up
here?” It is also about “Are you like the men women hook up with
here?”
These are things that as a man you will often instinctively think
should repel a woman... but instead they attract women. Preselection
is the largest single attraction factor out there. Good looks or
physical dominance each boost your attractiveness by about 10%.
Preselection boosts your attractiveness by a whopping 25 to 30%
(depending on the study). Nothing has a bigger impact on how a
woman feels toward you than how she witnesses other women
behave toward you.
The easiest and perhaps most common example is when you pick up
a girl with a friend, and your friend hooks up with her friend (or vice
versa). If you go out with a wingman often enough, and you and him
are of similar attractiveness and at similar skill levels, you’ll run into
this fairly often. Once one of the girls is having sex, it’s a whole lot
easier for the other one to, too.
What if you don’t have a wingman? The next easiest, most common
way to make use of this is to look for girls toward the end of the night
whose friends have already hooked up with someone. If you want to
screen for this, get in the habit of asking girls what their friends are
up to tonight. If you get a response along the lines of, “Oh, my one
friend went off with some guy,” or, “I think she hooked up with some
guy,” this is good. If you get a direct, unambivalent response, along
the lines of, “She’s hooking up with some guy she met in the club,”
this is ideal. Girls whose friends have already hooked up with
someone that night feel a lot freer to engage in hooking up
themselves, and they are a lot more inclined to play follow-the
leader.
Her friend having already hooked up with someone that night has the
following effects on her:
Better still for you, the more she wants it, the more “find a guy to
have sex with” becomes a priority for her, and the less important
it becomes whom that guy is. If at the start of the night, when
she was in a non-sexual state, the only guy she would’ve
willingly hooked up with was a good-looking, muscular hunk in a
thousand dollar suit, by the end of the night she may be willing
to take any guy who can spit moderately good game, has a
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modicum of confidence, and isn’t afraid to push things forward
with her.
5. It makes her feel left out if she does not hook up. If she
has to watch other girls – and especially her friends – hook up,
and she’s still there without a serious prospect for some late
night fun, she can start to feel like... well... kind of a loser. Oh
sure, every other girl gets a guy... but not her? What’s so wrong
with her? Like desiring a hookup, feeling left out can make her
lower her standards too. It can even make girls who aren’t all
that into you or aren’t even horny decide to hook up with you...
Just because they don’t want to be “left out.”
These aren’t always the most satisfying lays – I’ve had girls
sleep with me in this condition where the girl never stopped
acting like I was just ‘some guy’, and always seemed like the idea
of sleeping with me was somewhat distasteful, yet she still slept
with me anyway because all her friends were getting laid and
she didn’t want to be the only who wasn’t... and I was the only
guy making a serious play for her. Doesn’t bug me; my ego is
not tied to initial impressions people have of me anymore (I
usually make awesome impressions... but if I don’t, that’ll
change as she gets to know me more / I shag her more).
Nevertheless, when you get those lays where the girl is like, “All
right, well... let’s do it and get it over with so I can tell my friends
I got laid too,” they’re always somewhat hollow victories. Yes,
you got sex, but you never actually captured the girl’s heart or
mind. You just happened to be in the right place, at the right
time, and knew enough game to know how to lead things
forward.
These are all some pretty cool effects. Well, maybe except for those
hollow “All right fine, you can bang me” lays. Although sometimes
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those are fun too, if you have a good sense of humor about it (“Ha!
I’m banging this girl who doesn’t even want to bang me. Women are
so silly”).
So... are there ways to create these sorts of conditions in which girls
hookup copycat?
Why yes; yes there are. I’ll list out a few for you.
Her: No, I mean, she... I mean, she COULD be. I don’t know.
If she’s dogged about trying to find her friend, you can use the
“Well, she has your number, right? She can text you if she’s
looking for you” line. She’ll say ‘yes’, she’ll check her phone, see
her friend hasn’t texted her... and now this makes your frame
look even more likely to be correct. Maybe she is hooking up
with a guy! If she wasn’t with a guy, wouldn’t she be texting her
to see where she was?
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3. Where you take a girl. This can be either a girl you’re on a
date with, or a girl you’ve met in one venue and want to move to
another. If you take her somewhere everyone is hooking up, it
will make her want to hook up too.
tfw she just watched your wingwoman hook up with some guy, and
now she’s thinking about you.
It’s worth noting that some women are more independently minded
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than others. This works both ways:
When no one is hooking up yet, you need to have that first girl
who decides she doesn’t care what everyone else is doing and
opts to hook up with a guy anyway
When every one is hooking up, you will still have girls who are
more resistant to following the herd than others are
Just remember, if you want to make full use of this very powerful
concept:
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Go to places where girls hook up with guys like you. If you must
work against the environment, try to approach girls in isolated
positions (e.g., at the reception desk facing away from the gym
floor), where they cannot observe other women and are in less
of a position to follow the leader against you
Women (like men, though perhaps even more so) are creatures of
the herd. They do what they feel allowed, permitted, and encouraged
by those around them who are like them to do. So if girls like her in
the environment around her aren’t hooking up with guys like you,
she’ll be less likely to; if girls like her in the environment around her
are hooking up with guys like you, she’ll be more likely to.
You have more control over this than you think, though. You can go
to environments better suited to your purposes... You can meet girls
in less suitable environments and bring them along to more suitable
ones... Or you can even create conditions within an environment to
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make that environment better suit your ends.
Alter your environment, and you alter your possibilities... and, very
quite often, your outcomes, too.
Yours,
Chase
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